Re: Re: if you live here in C
By: Nightfox to HusTler on Tue Feb 12 2019 01:08 pm

anything like price fixing going on, perhaps the government could step in and do something about it. Also, naturally they'll want to make money at it, but that doesn't necessarily make college a bad thing. The staff all

Anytime the government "steps in" we are all in trouble. Look whats going on with our government right now. Build a Wall, Don't build a Wall, Don't call it a wall. Can you imagine trying to tackle college tuition? OMG!!!

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Re: Re: if you live here in C
By: HusTler to Nightfox on Wed Feb 13 2019 09:44 am

Anytime the government "steps in" we are all in trouble. Look whats going on with our government right now. Build a Wall, Don't build a Wall, Don't call it a wall. Can you imagine trying to tackle college tuition? OMG!!!

Ehhhh, I don't believe that. It wasn't always that way, and many a great project got completed thanks to the government (Interstate Highway System, New Deal projects, Food Safety, etc.)

The issue is we have let politics get to the point it is today. Partisan in every way. We have a lot of bright people working in various roles in the government. However, those bright people are muffled/ignored due to partisan politics and ideology of those above them.

Rob

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Re: Re: if you live here in C
By: HusTler to Nightfox on Mon Feb 11 2019 10:38 am

I've heard this "free college tuition" mentioned a lot as of late. What kind of education will students get for free?? What will the value of degree earn by a school that offers "free tution" verses paid tuition? I think this idea "free tuition" is only going to cause more problems. Who's going to monitor this? The Government?? Well let's just become a socialist nation why don't w

That's just my opnion..... I could be wrong.

Public education in Germany goes to the equivelent of an Associates Degree (IIRC). But they do things much differently than we d. Thier educational system is very skills based and they have an extensive apprentiship system. Whilemost of the US based public education system is based around college preperation and endoctrination.

There is no reason why we cannot graduate young people from high school with marketable job skills. There is just no desire to do this in the eduational communitee. Secondary education is BIG BUSINESS. The shame is 50% of people who start college do not finish and then they have huge debt to pay back with nothing to show for it.
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Re: Re: if you live here in C
By: Nightfox to HusTler on Mon Feb 11 2019 12:43 pm

Nothing is totally free though.. By "free tuition", they just mean the stude doesn't have the burden of paying the college fees, and that it's covered by the government. And I'd doubt that their education is any less valuable just because someone else is covering the cost.

Lately I've been hearing that colleges in the US these days have some of the highest costs they've ever had. College students in the US are getting stuck with debt that will take many years to pay off, which will be made even more difficult if they can't find a job right away after graduating. I've heard o more and more people who are choosing not to go to college due to the high costs these days. But in order to have a good workforce for all the jobs needed, we need to have a well educated workforce.

Nightfox

The reason the cost keeps going up is that the Student/family does not pay in most instances. They are getting grants and loans. Yes the student does have to pay the loan back but at the time they are in college they are not thinking about that. The universities see this easy money and just keep raising tuitions. It is the same problem with health care. The patient isn't paying it is the insurance company or the government. Go into a hospital for a procedure and tell them your paying cash and ask for the cash price, it will be considerably lower than the insurance price. Why? Because of all the administrative cost to get payed by the insurance company or the government.

Everyone wonders why the Military pays so much for stuff. It is because of all the regulations that a supplier has to abide by in order to get on the approved supplier list. It adds significant cost to the whole process of making and supplying the product.

When someone else pays for something its value deminishes. We see the same thing with housing. Section 8 housing is great for landlords, they get paid with no worries but the residents have no "skin in the game" when it comes to the property it has "no value" to them and this is why Section 8 housing ruins neighborhoods. I have seen this in the city I live in. Nice safe multi-ethnic affordable neighborhoods were ruined when public transportation came to these neighborhoods and all the appartment complexes went section 8 soon after. Now they are crime ridden s-holes that no decent people will live in.

If university is free a college degree will be as useless as a high school deploma. Please don't site other countries as exanples because places like Germany, Norway etc actually can do this better than Americans. Our educatonal system is a mess and I have no confidence that this will ever get any better. Clifra Jones
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Re: Re: if you live here in C
By: Nightfox to HusTler on Tue Feb 12 2019 01:08 pm

Doesn't the US government regulate the prices of some things to an extent? Regarding cheeseburgers, as in your example, I've heard that government subsidies actually helps keep the price of fast food low in the US (perhaps indirectly):
https://nyti.ms/2UTAMEf
Full URL: https://well.blods.nytimes/com/2016/07/19/how-the-government-supports-your-j -food-habit

I'm not sure why college tuition has been going up so high, but if there's anything like price fixing going on, perhaps the government could step in an do something about it. Also, naturally they'll want to make money at it, but that doesn't necessarily make college a bad thing. The staff all need to get paid and make a living, and I think it's resonable that anyone wanting to ha a career as a collge instructor should make a decent living.

Nightfox

The government subsidised much of the agriculture indistry in the US. Ethenol in gas? Not really for the environment as much as it is a subsidy to the corn industry. This has a lot to do with international trade. If food products were free to trade all ove rthe wold American farmers would make great monet selling their food internationally but other countriess restrict what we can sell there. So the government subsidises US farmers to compensate for this.

It is not Price Fixing per say. It is the goverment giving money to the producer to reduce their costs so they can sell cheaper. (symantics)

As I said, tuition would not be so high if all this "free money" was not available. Most don't look at the price of tuition unless Mommy and Daddy as footing the whole bill. So there is little market pressure for the Colleges to hold down tuitions.

Anyone who lived through the 70's should understand the dangers of price fixing. Nixon tried this by controlling wages and prices and it was a disaster. Clifra Jones
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Re: Re: if you live here in C
By: Dmxrob to HusTler on Wed Feb 13 2019 12:12 pm

Re: Re: if you live here in C
By: HusTler to Nightfox on Wed Feb 13 2019 09:44 am

Anytime the government "steps in" we are all in trouble. Look whats
going on with our government right now. Build a Wall, Don't build a
Wall, Don't call it a wall. Can you imagine trying to tackle college tuition? OMG!!!

Ehhhh, I don't believe that. It wasn't always that way, and many a great project got completed thanks to the government (Interstate Highway System, N Deal projects, Food Safety, etc.)

The issue is we have let politics get to the point it is today. Partisan in every way. We have a lot of bright people working in various roles in the government. However, those bright people are muffled/ignored due to partisan politics and ideology of those above them.

Rob

You don't think public works projects are a mess? Let someone who works in this industry fill you in.

Why are traffic problems never fixed?

Local transit authority wants to fix a traffic problem. So they put out bids for a new highway design. this bidding process can take up to 1 year.

Design is accepted but because the US government is paying a large portion of the cost the plans have to be approved by the federal DOT. This process canb take from 2-3 years, so by this time the traffic problem is worse as more prople moved into the area the fix was intended for but because the process takes so long this plan is implemented even though it will not fix the problem.

Government can do many things well but we all see how they do many thngs very poorly. Public education on this country is a mess. Politics are embedded in public education to the detriment of our children. The Teachers Union only cares about themselves and not your kids. The best school districts in the country are non-union. For profit colleges are some of the best in the country. Where we see problems with for profit schools is in the trade school industry. Clifra Jones
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Re: Re: if you live here in C
By: Clifra to Dmxrob on Thu Feb 14 2019 09:20 am

very poorly. Public education on this country is a mess. Politics are embedded in public education to the detriment of our children. The Teachers Union only cares about themselves and not your kids. The best school districts in the country are non-union. For profit colleges are some of the

Well, we all have our opinions.

I believe the education I got from the St. Louis Public Schools was amazing. I had teachers who truely pushed me to do my very best, challenged me and I am a better person today because of all that.

Rob

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Re: Re: if you live here in C
By: Clifra to Nightfox on Thu Feb 14 2019 09:04 am

As I said, tuition would not be so high if all this "free money" was not available. Most don't look at the price of tuition unless Mommy and Daddy as footing the whole bill. So there is little market pressure for the Colleges to hold down tuitions.

It seems to me that many (or most?) college students need to get loans to fund their college education, which isn't free money. More and more often lately, I've been hearing of people who are choosing not to go to college because they don't want to get into such high debt.

Nightfox

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Re: Re: if you live here in C
By: Dmxrob to Clifra on Thu Feb 14 2019 11:09 am

Well, we all have our opinions.

I believe the education I got from the St. Louis Public Schools was amazing. I had teachers who truely pushed me to do my very best, challenged me and I am a better person today because of all that.

when i was in public school only the 'special kids' got that attention.

no i wasnt one of them.
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Re: Re: if you live here in C
By: MRO to Dmxrob on Fri Feb 15 2019 05:43 pm

when i was in public school only the 'special kids' got that attention.

no i wasnt one of them.

So who decided who was "special"??

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Re: Re: if you live here in C
By: Heliarc to MRO on Sat Feb 23 2019 11:39 pm

Re: Re: if you live here in C
By: MRO to Dmxrob on Fri Feb 15 2019 05:43 pm

when i was in public school only the 'special kids' got that attention.

no i wasnt one of them.

So who decided who was "special"??

i'm talking about retards
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Re: Re: if you live here in C
By: MRO to Heliarc on Sat Feb 23 2019 10:50 pm

So who decided who was "special"??

i'm talking about retards

It's been my experience that people who use deragatory language such as this to describe others aren't worth talking too.


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Re: Re: if you live here in C
By: Dmxrob to MRO on Sun Feb 24 2019 08:49 am

So who decided who was "special"??

i'm talking about retards

It's been my experience that people who use deragatory language such as this to describe others aren't worth talking too.

but but you just did. ?????

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Re: Re: if you live here in C
By: Dmxrob to MRO on Sun Feb 24 2019 08:49 am

Re: Re: if you live here in C
By: MRO to Heliarc on Sat Feb 23 2019 10:50 pm

So who decided who was "special"??

i'm talking about retards

It's been my experience that people who use deragatory language such as this to describe others aren't worth talking too.

you mean like niggers and faggots
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Re: Re: if you live here in C
By: HusTler to Dmxrob on Sun Feb 24 2019 10:31 am

Re: Re: if you live here in C
By: Dmxrob to MRO on Sun Feb 24 2019 08:49 am

So who decided who was "special"??

i'm talking about retards

It's been my experience that people who use deragatory language such as this to describe others aren't worth talking too.

but but you just did. ?????

he was too daft to understand what 'special' meant so i went full blunt on
his ass.
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