• October surprise

    From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to All on Saturday, October 05, 2024 09:14:30
    The Democrat october suprise, They apparently took all the FEMA money to house and pay welfare to ilegal aliens, and to fly them in from all over the world.

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANTIR to Denn on Saturday, October 05, 2024 13:37:00
    Denn wrote to All <=-

    The Democrat october suprise, They apparently took all the FEMA money
    to house and pay welfare to ilegal aliens, and to fly them in from all over the world.

    I'm no fan of Democrats, believe me, but.... come on man. That's
    obviously bullshit. Don't be an idiot in public.



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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to GAMGEE on Sunday, October 06, 2024 11:06:00
    The Democrat october suprise, They apparently took all the FEMA money
    to house and pay welfare to ilegal aliens, and to fly them in from all over the world.

    I'm no fan of Democrats, believe me, but.... come on man. That's
    obviously bullshit. Don't be an idiot in public.

    I am not sure about the "fly them in from all over the world" bit, but FEMA
    has been spending money on illegal aliens while still being behind on
    getting money to 2023 (and maybe before) hurricane victims.

    SOURCE: fema.gov

    https://www.fema.gov/press-release/20240412/department-homeland-security-announc
    es-300-million-direct-funding

    https://tinyurl.com/4yppxtkv

    Release Date:
    April 12, 2024 (HQ-24-049)

    "WASHINGTON -- Today, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), through FEMA and the U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP), announced $300 million in grants through the Shelter and Services Program (SSP), which was authorized by Congress to support communities that are providing services to migrants. Two hundred seventy-five million dollars will be distributed in the first allocation, and the remaining $25 million will be allocated later in the year to accommodate evolving operational requirements. The initial funding will be available to 55 grant recipients for temporary shelter and other eligible costs associated with migrants awaiting the outcome of their immigration proceedings. Additionally, DHS is announcing $340.9 million through the Shelter and Services Program-Competitive grant program to be allocated before the end of this fiscal year."

    Several news outlets have been fact-checking this as false, which means they are either finding something that was said (usually by Trump) that included a falsehood, or they are ignoring FEMA's own website.

    FEMA is an agency under DHS, as is the CBP. That might be how they say it is "false" by claiming the "money comes from DHS" but, since FEMA is a part of DHS, all "FEMA money" comes from DHS.

    IMHO, DHS needs to stop sending money "through FEMA" for non-citizens until FEMA is caught up with getting aid to, and not running out of money for, US citizens affected by disasters.


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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANTIR to Dumas Walker on Sunday, October 06, 2024 17:34:00
    Dumas Walker wrote to GAMGEE <=-

    The Democrat october suprise, They apparently took all the FEMA money to house and pay welfare to ilegal aliens, and to fly them in from all over the world.

    I'm no fan of Democrats, believe me, but.... come on man. That's
    obviously bullshit. Don't be an idiot in public.

    I am not sure about the "fly them in from all over the world" bit, but FEMA has been spending money on illegal aliens while still being behind
    on getting money to 2023 (and maybe before) hurricane victims.

    SOURCE: fema.gov

    https://www.fema.gov/press-release/20240412/department-homeland-security -announc
    es-300-million-direct-funding

    https://tinyurl.com/4yppxtkv

    Release Date:
    April 12, 2024 (HQ-24-049)

    "WASHINGTON -- Today, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS),
    through FEMA and the U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP),
    announced $300 million in grants through the Shelter and Services
    Program (SSP), which was authorized by Congress to support communities that are providing services to migrants. Two hundred seventy-five
    million dollars will be distributed in the first allocation, and the remaining $25 million will be allocated later in the year to
    accommodate evolving operational requirements. The initial funding will
    be available to 55 grant recipients for temporary shelter and other eligible costs associated with migrants awaiting the outcome of their immigration proceedings. Additionally, DHS is announcing $340.9 million through the Shelter and Services Program-Competitive grant program to
    be allocated before the end of this fiscal year."

    Several news outlets have been fact-checking this as false, which means they are either finding something that was said (usually by Trump) that included a falsehood, or they are ignoring FEMA's own website.

    FEMA is an agency under DHS, as is the CBP. That might be how they say
    it is "false" by claiming the "money comes from DHS" but, since FEMA is
    a part of DHS, all "FEMA money" comes from DHS.

    IMHO, DHS needs to stop sending money "through FEMA" for non-citizens until FEMA is caught up with getting aid to, and not running out of
    money for, US citizens affected by disasters.

    One hundred percent agreement on your last paragraph there. Absolutely outrageous that OUR CITIZENS are secondary to immigrant "needs".

    I have to believe that some of the garbage being thrown around about
    this is exactly what you were describing in regards to FEMA/CBP/DHS
    being used sort of interchangeably when they really shouldn't be. I'm
    hoping that "extra" money being spent on (illegal) immigrants is not
    coming from the same pot of money as the benefits meant for our
    hurricane victims.

    Thanks for the reply and the info!



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  • From SYS64738@VERT/GEO to Gamgee on Sunday, October 06, 2024 23:19:40
    One hundred percent agreement on your last paragraph there. Absolutely outrageous that OUR CITIZENS are secondary to immigrant "needs".

    I have to believe that some of the garbage being thrown around about
    this is exactly what you were describing in regards to FEMA/CBP/DHS
    being used sort of interchangeably when they really shouldn't be. I'm
    hoping that "extra" money being spent on (illegal) immigrants is not
    coming from the same pot of money as the benefits meant for our
    hurricane victims.

    Thanks for the reply and the info!

    Here's a few more headlines you can add to that list:

    https://x.com/realannapaulina/status/1843092886445076799?t=mx4F-X0dvPN4C3as3BD1 Yw&s=19

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  • From SYS64738@VERT/GEO to Gamgee on Sunday, October 06, 2024 23:24:14
    Here's a few more headlines you can add to that list:

    https://x.com/realannapaulina/status/1843092886445076799?t=mx4F-X0dvPN4C3as3B D1 Yw&s=19



    Looks like I frigged-up the link. https://x.com/realannapaulina/status/18430928 86445076799?t=mx4F-X0dvPN4C3as3BD1Yw&s=19

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  • From SYS64738@VERT/GEO to Gamgee on Sunday, October 06, 2024 23:25:09
    Looks like I frigged-up the link. https://x.com/realannapaulina/status/18430928 86445076799?t=mx4F-X0dvPN4C3as3BD1Yw&s=19



    I give up.

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  • From Bf2k+@VERT/TACOPRON to Denn on Sunday, October 06, 2024 22:05:12
    Re: October surprise
    By: Denn to All on Sat Oct 05 2024 09:14 am

    The Democrat october suprise, They apparently took all the FEMA money to house and pay welfare to ilegal aliens, and to fly them in from all over the world.

    Yep... but they will never admit it or they'll spin it somehow... They need to take those credit cards away from the aliens and send them to NC.

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  • From Bf2k+@VERT/TACOPRON to Gamgee on Sunday, October 06, 2024 22:07:14
    Re: Re: October surprise
    By: Gamgee to Denn on Sat Oct 05 2024 01:37 pm

    The Democrat october suprise, They apparently took all the FEMA money to house and pay welfare to ilegal aliens, and to fly them in from all over the world.

    I'm no fan of Democrats, believe me, but.... come on man. That's
    obviously bullshit. Don't be an idiot in public.

    It isn't bullshit... they're offering the families $750.

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  • From kk4qbn@VERT/KK4QBN to SYS64738 on Monday, October 07, 2024 08:26:36
    Re: Re: October surprise
    By: SYS64738 to Gamgee on Sun Oct 06 2024 23:19:40

    I have to believe that some of the garbage being thrown around about this
    is exactly what you were describing in regards to FEMA/CBP/DHS being used
    sort of interchangeably when they really shouldn't be. I'm hoping that
    "extra" money being spent on (illegal) immigrants is not coming from the
    same pot of money as the benefits meant for our hurricane victims.

    Thanks for the reply and the info!

    Here's a few more headlines you can add to that list:

    I've been hearing from family that NC state troopers are having to escort trucks with supplies through FEMA blockades, FEMA is not allowing relief suppies through.


    Crazy how this storm was on track to hit North Georgia, I watched it live, I was at work, it cut east right before Atlanta and cut right through to the Lithium mines of NC, the same place that is due to open back up in 2026 and the feds were going to have to take people of their properties for full operation.

    Of course the Lithium part is some far out conspiricy theory stuff, but I'm starting to believe more and more conspiricy theory crap on a daily basis, because a lot of it is spot on.

    If you can look at the track on this storm, check out what happens before it starts tracking east to NC, in HYTOP ala, (Radar site, Military site) there is what looks like cinammon rolls pop up on the radar image. (big large concentric swirls of pressure) This also happens at the same time down in middle georgia, just a bit south of atlanta, all in the same time-frame.

    I've watched many storms on radar, and this is the first time I've seen this crazy crap, especially multiple times.. call me crazy if you will.. I don't care. RF is nothing more than sound, and/or heat vibrating the air around it. Do the rest of the math for your own conclusion..

    BTW, I made my tinfoil hat long ago, and it has helped to an extent.. :-)
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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANTIR to SYS64738 on Monday, October 07, 2024 07:50:00
    SYS64738 wrote to Gamgee <=-

    One hundred percent agreement on your last paragraph there. Absolutely outrageous that OUR CITIZENS are secondary to immigrant "needs".

    I have to believe that some of the garbage being thrown around about
    this is exactly what you were describing in regards to FEMA/CBP/DHS
    being used sort of interchangeably when they really shouldn't be. I'm hoping that "extra" money being spent on (illegal) immigrants is not
    coming from the same pot of money as the benefits meant for our
    hurricane victims.

    Thanks for the reply and the info!

    Here's a few more headlines you can add to that list:

    https://x.com/realannapaulina/status/1843092886445076799?t=mx4F-X0dvPN4C 3as3BD1
    Yw&s=19

    Meh. Those aren't "headlines". Those are snippets with no context from
    a personal twitter account. Not exactly overwhelming "evidence".



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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to GAMGEE on Monday, October 07, 2024 10:26:00
    One hundred percent agreement on your last paragraph there. Absolutely outrageous that OUR CITIZENS are secondary to immigrant "needs".

    And Ukraine's, and now Lebanon's, needs.

    I have to believe that some of the garbage being thrown around about
    this is exactly what you were describing in regards to FEMA/CBP/DHS
    being used sort of interchangeably when they really shouldn't be. I'm
    hoping that "extra" money being spent on (illegal) immigrants is not
    coming from the same pot of money as the benefits meant for our
    hurricane victims.

    Governments usually do budget money for separate "pots," even within the
    same agencies. That said, if you have a domestic pot that is empty, and another pot in the same agency for immigration and/or foreign governments,
    it would be very good policy to have something in place to divert money to
    the empty domestic pot.

    Thanks for the reply and the info!

    No problem. I found that link a month or so ago when I was reading an
    article about New Orleans 2013 hurricane victims. I found some of the
    "facts" to be dubious sounding but, as it turned out, there was some truth
    to them after all (per FEMA even!).


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to BF2K+ on Monday, October 07, 2024 10:22:00
    It isn't bullshit... they're offering the families $750.

    But only if they "qualify" for it. Would be interesting to know how bad
    off you have to be before you qualify.

    Internet rumors say they are not trying to help the NC folks much because
    many of the areas are rich in quartz and/or lithium. Friends of the administration want any easier path to mining (more of) it.

    Fewer people to oppose your plans = the easier path they have been looking
    for.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dumas Walker on Monday, October 07, 2024 23:59:45
    Re: Re: October surprise
    By: Dumas Walker to BF2K+ on Mon Oct 07 2024 10:22 am


    Internet rumors say they are not trying to help the NC folks much because many of the areas are rich in quartz and/or lithium. Friends of the administration want any easier path to mining (more of) it.

    Fewer people to oppose your plans = the easier path they have been looking for.

    i dunno, lots of areas on the east coast have a lot of quartz.
    I could dig in my father in law's yard in virginia and find big ass quartz rocks. like bigger than a football. we decorated the yeard with them and i have some in my fish tank now.
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  • From SYS64738@VERT/GEO to kk4qbn on Tuesday, October 08, 2024 00:38:30
    Re: Re: October surprise
    By: SYS64738 to Gamgee on Sun Oct 06 2024 23:19:40

    I've been hearing from family that NC state troopers are having to escort trucks with supplies through FEMA blockades, FEMA is not allowing relief suppies through.

    Crazy how this storm was on track to hit North Georgia, I watched it live, I was at work, it cut east right before Atlanta and cut right through to the Lithium mines of NC, the same place that is due to open back up in 2026 and the feds were going to have to take people of their properties for full operation.

    Of course the Lithium part is some far out conspiricy theory stuff, but I'm starting to believe more and more conspiricy theory crap on a daily basis, because a lot of it is spot on.

    If you can look at the track on this storm, check out what happens before it starts tracking east to NC, in HYTOP ala, (Radar site, Military site) there is what looks like cinammon rolls pop up on the radar image. (big large concentric swirls of pressure) This also happens at the same time down in middle georgia, just a bit south of atlanta, all in the same time-frame.

    I've watched many storms on radar, and this is the first time I've seen this crazy crap, especially multiple times.. call me crazy if you will.. I don't care. RF is nothing more than sound, and/or heat vibrating the air around it. Do the rest of the math for your own conclusion..

    BTW, I made my tinfoil hat long ago, and it has helped to an extent.. :-)

    Check out Hurricane MIlton. I've never seen a hurricane start in the Gulf of Mexico. Has there been any others? And a Cat 5 at that!

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  • From kk4qbn@VERT/KK4QBN to SYS64738 on Tuesday, October 08, 2024 05:01:40
    Re: Re: October surprise
    By: SYS64738 to kk4qbn on Tue Oct 08 2024 00:38:30

    Check out Hurricane MIlton. I've never seen a hurricane start in the Gulf of Mexico. Has there been any others? And a Cat 5 at that!

    Google says a total of 14 in 173 years (very rare)
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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to KK4QBN on Tuesday, October 08, 2024 08:12:00
    Crazy how this storm was on track to hit North Georgia, I watched it live, I was at work, it cut east right before Atlanta and cut right through to the Lithium mines of NC, the same place that is due to open back up in 2026 and th
    feds were going to have to take people of their properties for full operation.

    Of course the Lithium part is some far out conspiricy theory stuff, but I'm starting to believe more and more conspiricy theory crap on a daily basis, because a lot of it is spot on.

    While I don't believe the weather changing part of it... hurricanes are
    very powerful and don't always follow their predicted paths (I would even
    say rarely do)... there could be some truth to the government not wanting
    to help these folks because they want the lithium their homes were sitting
    on.


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MRO on Tuesday, October 08, 2024 08:17:00
    Internet rumors say they are not trying to help the NC folks much because many of the areas are rich in quartz and/or lithium. Friends of the administration want any easier path to mining (more of) it.

    i dunno, lots of areas on the east coast have a lot of quartz.
    I could dig in my father in law's yard in virginia and find big ass quartz rocks. like bigger than a football. we decorated the yeard with them and i have some in my fish tank now.

    Apparently it is lithium. It is all "interent rumor" so who knows.


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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to SYS64738 on Tuesday, October 08, 2024 08:39:00
    Check out Hurricane MIlton. I've never seen a hurricane start in the Gulf of Mexico. Has there been any others? And a Cat 5 at that!

    Yes, there have been plenty of storms that either start in the Gulf, or
    just south in the Western Carribean (where Michael formed at about this
    same time of year). Where hurricanes are likely to start seems to be related somewhat to what time during the season they form.


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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Dumas Walker on Tuesday, October 08, 2024 13:56:58
    Re: Re: October surprise
    By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Tue Oct 08 2024 08:17 am

    Internet rumors say they are not trying to help the NC folks much because many of the areas are rich in quartz and/or lithium. Friends of the administration want any easier path to mining (more of) it.

    i dunno, lots of areas on the east coast have a lot of quartz.
    I could dig in my father in law's yard in virginia and find big ass quartz rocks. like bigger than a football. we decorated the yeard with them and i have some in my fish tank now.

    Apparently it is lithium. It is all "interent rumor" so who knows.



    i wouldn't trust it or believe it.
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  • From Bf2k+@VERT/TACOPRON to Dumas Walker on Tuesday, October 08, 2024 18:20:41
    Re: Re: October surprise
    By: Dumas Walker to KK4QBN on Tue Oct 08 2024 08:12 am

    While I don't believe the weather changing part of it... hurricanes are
    very powerful and don't always follow their predicted paths (I would even say rarely do)... there could be some truth to the government not wanting
    to help these folks because they want the lithium their homes were sitting on.

    More evidence that our current gov't should be behind bars...

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  • From Denn@VERT/OUTWEST to kk4qbn on Thursday, October 10, 2024 13:06:28
    Re: Re: October surprise
    By: SYS64738 to Gamgee on Sun Oct 06 2024 23:19:40

    I've been hearing from family that NC state troopers are having to escort trucks with supplies through FEMA blockades, FEMA is not allowing relief suppies through.

    Heard this from several sources.
    Local police escorts to get past FEMA roadblocks.

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