• Re: New Data Suggests 162M Am

    From wkitty42@VERT/SESTAR to Vk3jed on Monday, July 08, 2019 10:35:19
    Re: Re: New Data Suggests 162M Am
    By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Sun Apr 21 2019 08:29:00

    I find I don't feel as in touch with where I am on telnet, though at least at today's network speeds, it is fast and passes on
    those grounds. :) Back in the modem days, there were real delays in loading messages, especially at 300 or 1200 bps! :D

    might be nice if there was a speed control where we could set a sped emulation to make it look like 2400 or such... i've seen similar on web pages and it was ok but to do it in a real BBS environment would possibly be pretty neat... i don't know that i'd limit file transfers via speed control, though ;)


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to wkitty42 on Monday, July 08, 2019 10:38:37
    Re: Re: New Data Suggests 162M Am
    By: wkitty42 to Vk3jed on Mon Jul 08 2019 12:35 pm

    might be nice if there was a speed control where we could set a sped emulation to make it look like 2400 or such... i've seen similar on web

    SyncTerm can do that. You can hold down control (or shift, or alt, I don't remember) and then press the up or down arrows to have it emulate a certain baud rate. If you have the bottom status bar enabled, it will show you (in parenthesis) what baud rate it's emulating when you change it that way.

    Nightfox

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Nightfox on Monday, July 08, 2019 14:42:58
    Re: Re: New Data Suggests 162M Am
    By: Nightfox to wkitty42 on Mon Jul 08 2019 12:38 pm

    Re: Re: New Data Suggests 162M Am
    By: wkitty42 to Vk3jed on Mon Jul 08 2019 12:35 pm

    might be nice if there was a speed control where we could set a sped emulation to make it look like 2400 or such... i've seen similar on web

    SyncTerm can do that. You can hold down control (or shift, or alt, I don't remember) and then press the up or down arrows to have it emulate a certain baud rate. If you have the bottom status bar enabled, it will show you (in parenthesis) what baud rate it's emulating when you change it that way.

    The BBS can send an escape sequence to control how fast SyncTERM displays text as well ("output emulation speed"):
    http://cvs.synchro.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/src/conio/cterm.txt

    digital man

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Digital Man on Monday, July 08, 2019 15:30:19
    Re: Re: New Data Suggests 162M Am
    By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Mon Jul 08 2019 04:42 pm

    SyncTerm can do that. You can hold down control (or shift, or alt, I
    don't remember) and then press the up or down arrows to have it
    emulate a certain baud rate. If you have the bottom status bar
    enabled, it will show you (in parenthesis) what baud rate it's
    emulating when you change it that way.

    The BBS can send an escape sequence to control how fast SyncTERM displays text as well ("output emulation speed"): http://cvs.synchro.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/src/conio/cterm.txt

    That's cool. If a user isn't using SyncTerm though, would they see anything weird in their terminal if the BBS sends those sequences?

    Nightfox

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  • From Digital Man@VERT to Nightfox on Monday, July 08, 2019 18:09:21
    Re: Re: New Data Suggests 162M Am
    By: Nightfox to Digital Man on Mon Jul 08 2019 05:30 pm

    Re: Re: New Data Suggests 162M Am
    By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Mon Jul 08 2019 04:42 pm

    SyncTerm can do that. You can hold down control (or shift, or alt, I
    don't remember) and then press the up or down arrows to have it
    emulate a certain baud rate. If you have the bottom status bar
    enabled, it will show you (in parenthesis) what baud rate it's
    emulating when you change it that way.

    The BBS can send an escape sequence to control how fast SyncTERM displays text as well ("output emulation speed"): http://cvs.synchro.ne t/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/src/conio/cterm.txt

    That's cool. If a user isn't using SyncTerm though, would they see anything weird in their terminal if the BBS sends those sequences?

    They shouldn't. An ANSI compatible terminal should either eat/ignore the sequence or use/apply it. Either way, nothing should be displayed to the user.

    digital man

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  • From Dan Clough@VERT/PALANT to Nightfox on Monday, July 08, 2019 19:33:15
    Re: Re: New Data Suggests 162M Am
    By: Nightfox to wkitty42 on Mon Jul 08 2019 12:38 pm

    might be nice if there was a speed control where we could set a sped
    emulation to make it look like 2400 or such... i've seen similar on
    web

    SyncTerm can do that. You can hold down control (or shift, or alt, I don't remember) and then press the up or down arrows to have it emulate a certain baud rate. If you have the bottom status bar enabled, it will show you (in parenthesis) what baud rate it's emulating when you change it that way.

    That's freakin AWESOME! I did not know about that feature! It's the Alt- key with up/down arrows to do it. 2400 seems painfully slow although I spent many hours watching that happen many years ago. 9600 seems like a "sweet-spot" that makes it seem like you're on a modem and yet not too painful.

    Gonna be using this on a regular basis, thanks! Hahahaha

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to wkitty42 on Tuesday, July 09, 2019 18:34:00
    On 07-08-19 12:35, wkitty42 wrote to Vk3jed <=-

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    Re: Re: New Data Suggests 162M Am
    By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Sun Apr 21 2019 08:29:00

    I find I don't feel as in touch with where I am on telnet, though at least
    t
    today's network speeds, it is fast and passes on
    those grounds. :) Back in the modem days, there were real delays in loading
    messages, especially at 300 or 1200 bps! :D

    might be nice if there was a speed control where we could set a sped emulation to make it look like 2400 or such... i've seen similar on web pages and it was ok but to do it in a real BBS environment would
    possibly be pretty neat... i don't know that i'd limit file transfers
    via speed control, though ;)

    Hmm, that changed subject totally. Not what I was talking about. I was talking more about how offline mail better manages the bigger delays of slow modem connections, bu making it one big delay (during the packet transfer) rather than lots of little delays between each message, which are just wasted time.


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Dan Clough on Tuesday, July 09, 2019 07:50:43
    Re: Re: New Data Suggests 162M Am
    By: Dan Clough to Nightfox on Mon Jul 08 2019 09:33 pm

    SyncTerm can do that. You can hold down control (or shift, or alt,

    That's freakin AWESOME! I did not know about that feature! It's the Alt- key with up/down arrows to do it. 2400 seems painfully slow although I spent many hours watching that happen many years ago. 9600 seems like a "sweet-spot" that makes it seem like you're on a modem and yet not too painful.

    Gonna be using this on a regular basis, thanks! Hahahaha

    I don't remember exactly how I found out about that feature.. I wanted to optimize screen updates for SlyEdit and wondered if there was a way to simulate slower terminal speeds, and somehow I stubled across that feature of SyncTerm.

    Nightfox

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Vk3jed on Tuesday, July 09, 2019 08:04:08
    Re: Re: New Data Suggests 162M Am
    By: Vk3jed to wkitty42 on Tue Jul 09 2019 08:34 pm

    talking more about how offline mail better manages the bigger delays of slow modem connections, bu making it one big delay (during the packet transfer) rather than lots of little delays between each message, which are just wasted time.

    When reading messages on my BBS, it doesn't really take any noticeable time (to me, anyway) to go from one message to the next. What does take time though, is in my reader listing the messages (I like browsing the message list sometimes and choosing which messages to read). My reader filters out messages that are marked for deletion, vote responses, etc., so it has to load all the message headers and eliminate those ones, and it can take a few seconds if there are a few thousand messages in a messagebase. It seems Synchronet's built-in functionality is faster at that though. Not too long ago, I saw that Digital Man was working on some updates to the stock reader that look fairly interesting (including a scrollable reader and message list enhancements), and I'm interested in working with that when it's ready.

    Nightfox

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  • From HusTler@VERT/HAVENS to Nightfox on Tuesday, July 09, 2019 12:47:09
    Re: Re: New Data Suggests 162M Am
    By: Nightfox to Vk3jed on Tue Jul 09 2019 10:04 am

    messagebase. It seems Synchronet's built-in functionality is faster at that though. Not too long ago, I saw that Digital Man was working on some updates to the stock reader that look fairly interesting (including a scrollable reader and message list enhancements), and I'm interested in working with that when it's ready.

    Nightfox

    Would you know how we are going to get DM updates? Is there a new version od Synchronet on the way? "version 4"? Will it have an installer? What's the "skinny"??


    HusTler
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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to HusTler on Tuesday, July 09, 2019 10:46:41
    Re: Re: New Data Suggests 162M Am
    By: HusTler to Nightfox on Tue Jul 09 2019 02:47 pm

    messagebase. It seems Synchronet's built-in functionality is faster
    at that though. Not too long ago, I saw that Digital Man was working
    on some updates to the stock reader that look fairly interesting
    (including a scrollable reader and message list enhancements), and
    I'm interested in working with that when it's ready.

    Would you know how we are going to get DM updates? Is there a new version od Synchronet on the way? "version 4"? Will it have an installer? What's the "skinny"??

    I know some of the changes to support that functionality are already in CVS. I saw those commits not too long ago, and Digital Man put out a video on YouTube on his Synchronet channel describing those new features. I seem to remember him saying there would be a JavaScript script (or several JavaScript scripts) to support it, which I don't think have been put into the Synchronet CVS yet. But I assume all the changes will eventually be in the Synchronet CVS when it's all ready. I'm not sure (don't remember) if those new changes will be part of Synchronet 4 or if they'll be released sooner.

    Nightfox

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  • From wkitty42@VERT/SESTAR to Nightfox on Tuesday, July 09, 2019 16:46:18
    Re: Re: New Data Suggests 162M Am
    By: Nightfox to wkitty42 on Mon Jul 08 2019 12:38:37

    might be nice if there was a speed control where we could set a sped
    emulation to make it look like 2400 or such... i've seen similar on web

    SyncTerm can do that. You can hold down control (or shift, or alt, I don't remember) and then press the up or down arrows to have it emulate a certain baud rate. If you have the bottom status bar enabled, it will show you (in parenthesis) what baud rate it's emulating when you change it that way.

    yeah but that relies on the terminal doing it... i was thinking about a way for the BBS to transmit it like that so that it is not limited to any terminal at all ;)


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  • From wkitty42@VERT/SESTAR to Vk3jed on Tuesday, July 09, 2019 16:49:38
    Re: Re: New Data Suggests 162M Am
    By: Vk3jed to wkitty42 on Tue Jul 09 2019 20:34:00

    might be nice if there was a speed control where we could set a sped
    emulation to make it look like 2400 or such... i've seen similar on web
    pages and it was ok but to do it in a real BBS environment would
    possibly be pretty neat... i don't know that i'd limit file transfers
    via speed control, though ;)

    Hmm, that changed subject totally.

    yeah, i'm good for that at times :lol:

    Not what I was talking about. I was
    talking more about how offline mail better manages the bigger delays of slow modem connections, bu making it one big delay (during the packet transfer) rather than lots of little delays between each message, which
    are just wasted time.

    ahhhh, yes, that's a bit different... i did think you were looking to make the experience more like the POTS days... oops! hehehehe...


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Wednesday, July 10, 2019 05:52:00
    On 07-09-19 10:04, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    When reading messages on my BBS, it doesn't really take any noticeable time (to me, anyway) to go from one message to the next. What does

    That's today. I was making some reference to the modem days, where the time to display a message on a BBS was comparable to the time taken today to display a web forum post. Today, even wntire QWK packets of a couple hundred kB come down in a blink of an eye, while there was a time it would take 10 minutes. But that delay, being in one hit, with the option to auto logoff, meand you didn't have to sit in front of the PC watching the numbers tick over (i.e. it wasn't wasted).

    For me today, the advantage of offline mail over reading online is a better interface - I find it easier to navigate and keep track of where I am in the pile of messages, and I can scroll both up and down by the exact amount I want (1 line or 100 - doesn't matter), instead of having to re-display a long message that I want to look further up.. :)

    take time though, is in my reader listing the messages (I like browsing the message list sometimes and choosing which messages to read). My

    I prefer to at least skim all messages, so I update my own memory of what each thread is about - yes, I do keep track of thread drift, because I have an unusually strong ability to remember by association - seeing the subject line can trigger recall of the actual thread. And that's why things like loading time and navigation, I have to be quickly able to access a lot more messages than many people, because I don't rely on lists - I effectively have my own to build and update!

    reader filters out messages that are marked for deletion, vote
    responses, etc., so it has to load all the message headers and
    eliminate those ones, and it can take a few seconds if there are a few thousand messages in a messagebase. It seems Synchronet's built-in functionality is faster at that though. Not too long ago, I saw that Digital Man was working on some updates to the stock reader that look fairly interesting (including a scrollable reader and message list enhancements), and I'm interested in working with that when it's ready.

    Hmm, I wonder if DM will actually provide somethig that makes my offline approach largely redundant. Hmm. :)


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Vk3jed on Tuesday, July 09, 2019 16:33:23
    Re: Re: New Data Suggests 162M Am
    By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Wed Jul 10 2019 07:52 am

    When reading messages on my BBS, it doesn't really take any
    noticeable time (to me, anyway) to go from one message to the next.
    What does

    That's today. I was making some reference to the modem days, where the time to display a message on a BBS was comparable to the time taken today to display a web forum post.

    Displaying posts on a web forum is typically fairly quick too, in my expericne.. Web forums can actually show a whole page of posts rather quickly (maybe 10 or 20 messages at a time).

    I know what you mean though.. Loading and reading through a QWK packet on a local machine is probably the fastest way to read messages. :)

    For me today, the advantage of offline mail over reading online is a better interface - I find it easier to navigate and keep track of where I am in the pile of messages, and I can scroll both up and down by the exact amount I want (1 line or 100 - doesn't matter), instead of having to re-display a long message that I want to look further up.. :)

    I think most user interface issues on the BBS side can potentially be fixed, too. My message reader for Synchronet (which has been available for about 5 years now) has a scrolling user interface, and Mystic BBS also has a scrolling reader interface for messages. So you can scroll up & down by one line or a page. And it looks like that's something Digital Man is working on adding to Synchronet as a stock feature, too. :)

    Nightfox

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Nightfox on Tuesday, July 09, 2019 22:35:08
    Re: Re: New Data Suggests 162M Am
    By: Nightfox to HusTler on Tue Jul 09 2019 12:46 pm

    remember him saying there would be a JavaScript script (or several JavaScript scripts) to support it, which I don't think have been put into the Synchronet CVS yet. But I assume all the changes will eventually be in the Synchronet CVS when it's all ready. I'm not sure (don't remember) if those new changes will be part of Synchronet 4 or if they'll be released sooner.


    i liked how the msg header stayed in place while you could scroll the msg txt. that's a great feature.
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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to wkitty42 on Wednesday, July 10, 2019 11:52:00
    On 07-09-19 18:49, wkitty42 wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    ahhhh, yes, that's a bit different... i did think you were looking to
    make the experience more like the POTS days... oops! hehehehe...

    No, was just pointing out why I prefer BBSs, especially offline mail to web forums.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Wednesday, July 10, 2019 11:55:00
    On 07-09-19 18:33, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    Displaying posts on a web forum is typically fairly quick too, in my expericne.. Web forums can actually show a whole page of posts rather quickly (maybe 10 or 20 messages at a time).

    Define "quick". For me, web forums are often _tens_ of seconds per page. That _really_ adds up, when you read dozens of threads. I'm probably particularly badly affected due to geography and the effect of multiple lots of 200mS RTTs from the other side of the world to display all of the elements of the page.

    I know what you mean though.. Loading and reading through a QWK packet
    on a local machine is probably the fastest way to read messages. :)

    Yep. ;)

    For me today, the advantage of offline mail over reading online is a better interface - I find it easier to navigate and keep track of where I am in the pile of messages, and I can scroll both up and down by the exact amount I want (1 line or 100 - doesn't matter), instead of having to re-display a long message that I want to look further up.. :)

    I think most user interface issues on the BBS side can potentially be fixed, too. My message reader for Synchronet (which has been available for about 5 years now) has a scrolling user interface, and Mystic BBS
    also has a scrolling reader interface for messages. So you can scroll
    up & down by one line or a page. And it looks like that's something Digital Man is working on adding to Synchronet as a stock feature, too.
    :)

    Quite possibly. Quoting is improved in some editors too, can do that quite neatly.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to wkitty42 on Wednesday, July 10, 2019 14:41:00
    On 07-09-19 18:46, wkitty42 wrote to Nightfox <=-

    yeah but that relies on the terminal doing it... i was thinking about a way for the BBS to transmit it like that so that it is not limited to
    any terminal at all ;)

    That's likely to be unrelible and "jerky", because the data arrives in packets, not as a stream. Having the terminal emulate the baud rate should give a more realistic result.


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Vk3jed on Wednesday, July 10, 2019 07:34:58
    Re: Re: New Data Suggests 162M Am
    By: Vk3jed to Nightfox on Wed Jul 10 2019 01:55 pm

    Displaying posts on a web forum is typically fairly quick too, in my
    expericne.. Web forums can actually show a whole page of posts
    rather quickly (maybe 10 or 20 messages at a time).

    Define "quick". For me, web forums are often _tens_ of seconds per page.

    For me, usually it's only a second or two at most to load a page of messages on a forum. Sometimes it doesn't even seem like that long. If you're seeing forums take tens of seconds to load a page of messages, I'd think something is wrong with your internet connection or the web site, or something in between..

    That _really_ adds up, when you read dozens of threads. I'm probably particularly badly affected due to geography and the effect of multiple lots of 200mS RTTs from the other side of the world to display all of the elements of the page.

    Perhaps, if there are lots of connections between you and the web sites, or maybe a satellite connection or something in between you and the web site..

    Nightfox

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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Nightfox on Thursday, July 11, 2019 05:55:00
    On 07-10-19 09:34, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-

    For me, usually it's only a second or two at most to load a page of messages on a forum. Sometimes it doesn't even seem like that long.
    If you're seeing forums take tens of seconds to load a page of
    messages, I'd think something is wrong with your internet connection or the web site, or something in between..

    Yeah, that is rare, though I have seen it on a forum I hosted when I was playing with software, so I think the latency is a big issue. It's less of an issue with very large sites like Facebook, which have large CDNs worldwide that lower a lot of the RTTs by a factor of 5-10.

    That _really_ adds up, when you read dozens of threads. I'm probably particularly badly affected due to geography and the effect of multiple lots of 200mS RTTs from the other side of the world to display all of the elements of the page.

    Perhaps, if there are lots of connections between you and the web
    sites, or maybe a satellite connection or something in between you and
    the web site..

    No satellite these days, but that 200-400 mS RTT is goverened by the laws of physics. I suspect you're not used to being 10000+ miles from the services you access.

    Well, the speed of light is 186000 miles per second. However, in fibre, it's going to be 186000/1.5 or around 125000 mph, due to the refractive index of the fibre (looks like slightly less than 1.5). That means if one was able to string a fibre direct from site to site, it would take at least 10000/125000 seconds or 80 mS for a one way trip, i.e. 160mS RTT. But in the real world, the paths are longer and there's various routers, switches, alplifiers and other hardware also assing small amounts of time, plus a few mS for the VDSL at this end, so 200 mS is a reasonable lower end estimate, assiming the shortest available path.

    Bandwidth is typically limited to a few Mbps on long internatioal paths too. I have a 100/40 connection, which gives around 80/30 in practice (VDSL sync at 90/35 less overheads).

    And then the typical web page on a forum has multiple elements, not all of which can be loaded in parallel. This is especially true for sites that have adds from another source embedded, so the delay becomes 0.2 + 0.2 + 0.2 +.....

    I think most people are less affected than me, because they tend to just pick and choose threads, but that doesn't really work well, because of thread drift, and also for me, the navigating in and out of a thread becomes annoying (often with a portion of those load times in between).

    Yeah I couldn't take to forums.


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  • From Vk3jed@VERT/FREEWAY to Zombie Mambo on Thursday, July 25, 2019 07:42:00
    On 07-24-19 09:55, Zombie Mambo wrote to Vk3jed <=-

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    Re: Re: New Data Suggests 162M Am
    By: Vk3jed to Heliarc on Tue Apr 23 2019 07:08 pm

    BBSing, so I can be able to keep an eye when in chat. Would be good to fire something more retro as a terminal too. I could use tcpser and tty0tty to provide a serial link to the terminal.

    This made me laugh because within the past two weeks I've purchased a
    used Vic-20, got a vicModem for it, tape recorder, and a bunch of modules/cassettes... One of the cassettes was the original VicTerm.

    I fired it up, took my landline phone, dialed a 209 bbs that supposedly supported 300bps still, got the answer tone, unplugged the handset cord and plugged into the vicmodem, and 10 seconds later after negotiation I was in 1982 all over again.

    Cool, that's going back. :)

    What made this even more nostalgic was that the Vic-20 only supports 22char col width and the bbs was made for 40. What fun!

    Hmm, would have been fun to see what you're trying to do with that sort of terminal!

    Then I busted out the modem manual where they gave you a sample
    "terminal" program for CBM basic. Using that I was able to understand
    how to acces the VicModem from Basic, and I wrote a quick and dirty BBS for it, which i tested using my classic TRS80 Model 100 with built in 300bps modem.

    Hilariously fun time.

    Cool, now that's getting interesting. :) Keep having fun. :D



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