did ms fix the y/o situation in win 10?

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Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: The Millionaire to All on Mon Jul 08 2019 09:40 am

did ms fix the y/o situation in win 10?

I'm not sure what this yellow/orange issue you're referring to is?

Nightfox

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Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: Nightfox to The Millionaire on Mon Jul 08 2019 10:13:11

did ms fix the y/o situation in win 10?

I'm not sure what this yellow/orange issue you're referring to is?

I'm going to guess it has to do with wonky colours in "command prompt", but I dunno. It's a real situation, that's for sure.

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Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: Nightfox to The Millionaire on Mon Jul 08 2019 10:13 am

Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: The Millionaire to All on Mon Jul 08 2019 09:40 am

did ms fix the y/o situation in win 10?

I'm not sure what this yellow/orange issue you're referring to is?

Nightfox

well remember in win xp there was a patch by grymmjack to fix the colors for orange and yellow.

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Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: echicken to Nightfox on Mon Jul 08 2019 02:53 pm

did ms fix the y/o situation in win 10?

I'm not sure what this yellow/orange issue you're referring to is?

I'm going to guess it has to do with wonky colours in "command prompt", but I dunno. It's a real situation, that's for sure.

I use the Windows 10 command prompt (and was even using it this past weekend) and haven't seen any weird color issues with it. This is the first time I'm hearing about it.

Nightfox

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Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: Nightfox to echicken on Mon Jul 08 2019 12:36:29

I use the Windows 10 command prompt (and was even using it this past weekend) and haven't seen any weird color issues with it. This is the first time I'm hearing about it.

IIRC the colour palette isn't quite right for ANSI BBS purposes. Some people use Windows' built-in telnet client this way, with poor results. Considering that it's trivial to install a better terminal emulator, I don't think this really matters. :)

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Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: Nightfox to The Millionaire on Mon Jul 08 2019 10:13 am

Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: The Millionaire to All on Mon Jul 08 2019 09:40 am

did ms fix the y/o situation in win 10?

I'm not sure what this yellow/orange issue you're referring to is?

Nightfox

when i used orange in thedraw it was a darker yellow color instead. it was only for the dos 16 color system.

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Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Mon Jul 08 2019 02:47 pm

Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: Nightfox to The Millionaire on Mon Jul 08 2019 10:13 am

Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: The Millionaire to All on Mon Jul 08 2019 09:40 am

did ms fix the y/o situation in win 10?

I'm not sure what this yellow/orange issue you're referring to is?

Nightfox

when i used orange in thedraw it was a darker yellow color instead. it was only for the dos 16 color system.

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_Graphics_Adapter:

Color 6 is treated differently; when using the formula above, color 6 would become dark yellow, as seen to the left, but in order to achieve a more pleasing brown tone, special circuitry in most RGBI monitors, including the IBM 5153 color display,[6] makes an exception for color 6 and changes its hue from dark yellow to brown by halving the analogue green signal's amplitude

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Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Mon Jul 08 2019 12:26 pm

did ms fix the y/o situation in win 10?

I'm not sure what this yellow/orange issue you're referring to is?

well remember in win xp there was a patch by grymmjack to fix the colors for orange and yellow.

No, I don't remember that. And I still don't know what this orange/yellow issue is that you're referring to. Where are you seeing orange and yello?

Nightfox

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Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: echicken to Nightfox on Mon Jul 08 2019 03:53 pm

IIRC the colour palette isn't quite right for ANSI BBS purposes. Some people use Windows' built-in telnet client this way, with poor results. Considering that it's trivial to install a better terminal emulator, I don't think this really matters. :)

Ah, I didn't know this was related to using BBSes from the Windows command prompt. I think I tried that once, maybe 12 years ago, before realizing I needed a better telnet client for using BBSes. :)

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Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Mon Jul 08 2019 02:47 pm

I'm not sure what this yellow/orange issue you're referring to is?

when i used orange in thedraw it was a darker yellow color instead. it was only for the dos 16 color system.

Ah.. For ANSI, I don't think it's supposed to be orange though, I think it's supposed to be yellow. For that color, the yellow is the bright version of the color, and the non-bright version is brown.

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Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Mon

Jul 08 2019 02:47 pm

Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: Nightfox to The Millionaire on

Mon Jul 08 2019 10:13 am

Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: The Millionaire to All on Mon

Jul 08 2019 09:40 am

did ms fix the y/o situation in

win 10?

I'm not sure what this yellow/orange

issue you're referring to is?

Nightfox

when i used orange in thedraw it was a

darker yellow color instead. it

was only for the dos 16 color system.

From

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_Graphics_
Adapter:

Color 6 is treated differently; when using

the formula above, color 6 would

become dark yellow, as seen to the left,

but in order to achieve a more

pleasing brown tone, special circuitry in

most RGBI monitors, including the

IBM 5153 color display,[6] makes an

exception for color 6 and changes its

hue from dark yellow to brown by halving

the analogue green signal's

amplitude

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Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Mon Jul 08 2019 02:47 pm

Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: Nightfox to The Millionaire on Mon Jul 08 2019 10:13 am

Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: The Millionaire to All on Mon Jul 08 2019 09:40 am

did ms fix the y/o situation in win 10?

I'm not sure what this yellow/orange issue you're referring to is?

Nightfox

when i used orange in thedraw it was a darker yellow color instead. it was only for the dos 16 color system.

there is no orange.
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Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: Digital Man to The Millionaire on Mon Jul 08 2019 04:45 pm

Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Mon Jul 08 2019 02:47 pm

Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: Nightfox to The Millionaire on Mon Jul 08 2019 10:13 am

Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: The Millionaire to All on Mon Jul 08 2019 09:40 am

did ms fix the y/o situation in win 10?

I'm not sure what this yellow/orange issue you're referring to is?

Nightfox

when i used orange in thedraw it was a darker yellow color instead. it was only for the dos 16 color system.

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_Graphics_Adapter:

Color 6 is treated differently; when using the formula above, color 6 would become dark yellow, as seen to the left, but in order to achieve a more pleasing brown tone, special circuitry in most RGBI monitors, including the IBM 5153 color display,[6] makes an exception for color 6 and changes its hue from dark yellow to brown by halving the analogue green signal's amplitude

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so are you saying that ms didn't bother fixing the problem in win then?

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Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: Nightfox to The Millionaire on Mon Jul 08 2019 05:31 pm

Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Mon Jul 08 2019 12:26 pm

did ms fix the y/o situation in win 10?

I'm not sure what this yellow/orange issue you're referring to is?

well remember in win xp there was a patch by grymmjack to fix the colors for orange and yellow.

No, I don't remember that. And I still don't know what this orange/yellow issue is that you're referring to. Where are you seeing orange and yello?

Nightfox

the 6th color in thedraw.

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Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: Nightfox to The Millionaire on Mon Jul 08 2019 05:33 pm

Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Mon Jul 08 2019 02:47 pm

I'm not sure what this yellow/orange issue you're referring to is?

when i used orange in thedraw it was a darker yellow color instead. it was only for the dos 16 color system.

Ah.. For ANSI, I don't think it's supposed to be orange though, I think it's supposed to be yellow. For that color, the yellow is the bright version of the color, and the non-bright version is brown.

Nightfox

i'm color blind i guess. looks like adark orange.

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Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: MRO to The Millionaire on Mon Jul 08 2019 10:21 pm

Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Mon Jul 08 2019 02:47 pm

Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: Nightfox to The Millionaire on Mon Jul 08 2019 10:13 am

Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: The Millionaire to All on Mon Jul 08 2019 09:40 am

did ms fix the y/o situation in win 10?

I'm not sure what this yellow/orange issue you're referring to is?

Nightfox

when i used orange in thedraw it was a darker yellow color instead. it was only for the dos 16 color system.

there is no orange.

ok brown then.

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Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Mon Jul 08 2019 08:45 pm

Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: Digital Man to The Millionaire on Mon Jul 08 2019 04:45 pm

Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Mon Jul 08 2019 02:47 pm

Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: Nightfox to The Millionaire on Mon Jul 08 2019 10:13 am

Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: The Millionaire to All on Mon Jul 08 2019 09:40 am

did ms fix the y/o situation in win 10?

I'm not sure what this yellow/orange issue you're referring to is?

Nightfox

when i used orange in thedraw it was a darker yellow color instead. it was only for the dos 16 color system.

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_Graphics_Adapter:

Color 6 is treated differently; when using the formula above, color 6 would become dark yellow, as seen to the left, but in order to achieve a more pleasing brown tone, special circuitry in most RGBI monitors, including the IBM 5153 color display,[6] makes an exception for color 6 and changes its hue from dark yellow to brown by halving the analogue green signal's amplitude

so are you saying that ms didn't bother fixing the problem in win then?

I don't know if Microsoft changed the interpretation of ANSI color change sequences to match the CGA idea of "dark yellow" or not. There's lots of information on the subject:
https://devblogs.microsoft.com/commandline/updating-the-windows-console-colors/

Whether those changes constitutes a "fix" or "breakage" is a subjective opinion. I imagine most Windows users don't care how IBM CGA monitors displayed "dark yellow" and they're not printing ANSI art in their consoles, so they wouldn't know if it's different than how they were displayed on PCs 20 years ago.

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Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: Digital Man to The Millionaire on Mon Jul 08 2019 10:12 pm

Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Mon Jul 08 2019 08:45 pm

Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: Digital Man to The Millionaire on Mon Jul 08 2019 04:45 pm

Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Mon Jul 08 2019 02:47 pm

Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: Nightfox to The Millionaire on Mon Jul 08 2019 10:13
am

Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: The Millionaire to All on Mon Jul 08 2019 09:40
am

did ms fix the y/o situation in win 10?

I'm not sure what this yellow/orange issue you're referring to is?

Nightfox

when i used orange in thedraw it was a darker yellow color instead. it was only for the dos 16 color system.

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_Graphics_Adapter:

Color 6 is treated differently; when using the formula above, color 6 would become dark yellow, as seen to the left, but in order to achieve a more pleasing brown tone, special circuitry in most RGBI monitors, including the IBM 5153 color display,[6] makes an exception for color 6 and changes its hue from dark yellow to brown by halving the analogue green signal's amplitude

so are you saying that ms didn't bother fixing the problem in win then?

I don't know if Microsoft changed the interpretation of ANSI color change sequences to match the CGA idea of "dark yellow" or not. There's lots of information on the subject: https://devblogs.microsoft.com/commandline/updat ing-the-windows-console-colors/

Whether those changes constitutes a "fix" or "breakage" is a subjective opinion. I imagine most Windows users don't care how IBM CGA monitors displayed "dark yellow" and they're not printing ANSI art in their consoles, so they wouldn't know if it's different than how they were displayed on PCs 20 years ago.

digital man

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well for us Sysops who draw ANSI art do care though.

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Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Tue Jul 09 2019 06:11 am

well for us Sysops who draw ANSI art do care though.

I was BBSing in the 90s (and also ran a BBS then) and have been using TheDraw for a long time. On MS-DOS back then, and today, those two colors were always brown ('dark yellow') and yellow (the 'bright' version). I've never noticed a change in that.

Digital Man had mentioned CGA, and I never used CGA a whole lot.. With my own PC, I went from Hercules monochrome to VGA, and from then on, it was brown & yellow..

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Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Mon Jul 08 2019 02:47 pm

did ms fix the y/o situation in win 10?

when i used orange in thedraw it was a darker yellow color instead. it was only for the dos 16 color system.

Why on earth would "ms" fix something like that? What the hell is "the dos 16 color system"?
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Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: Android8675 to The Millionaire on Tue Jul 09 2019 10:04:52

Why on earth would "ms" fix something like that?

Because obviously they care about ANSI art and BBS users. Huge market segment.

What the hell is "the dos 16 color system"?

I think it's the one that TheDraw uses for the colours of the things. One time I drew a really nice picture of an orange with it, with surprising colour fidelity.

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Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: Nightfox to The Millionaire on Tue Jul 09 2019 10:15 am

Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Tue Jul 09 2019 06:11 am

well for us Sysops who draw ANSI art do care though.

I was BBSing in the 90s (and also ran a BBS then) and have been using TheDraw for a long time. On MS-DOS back then, and today, those two colors were always brown ('dark yellow') and yellow (the 'bright' version). I've never noticed a change in that.

Digital Man had mentioned CGA, and I never used CGA a whole lot.. With my own PC, I went from Hercules monochrome to VGA, and from then on, it was brown & yellow..

Nightfox

well why was there a patch for xp then?

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Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: Android8675 to The Millionaire on Tue Jul 09 2019 10:04 am

Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Mon Jul 08 2019 02:47 pm

did ms fix the y/o situation in win 10?

when i used orange in thedraw it was a darker yellow color instead. it was only for the dos 16 color system.

Why on earth would "ms" fix something like that? What the hell is "the dos 16 color system"?
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look it up on wikipedia.org.

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Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Tue Jul 09 2019 13:21:17

colors were always brown ('dark yellow') and yellow (the 'bright'
version). I've never noticed a change in that.

well why was there a patch for xp then?

I think Nightfox just hasn't seen the "problem" that you're describing. It's a real thing, but IIRC it only affects stuff running under cmd.exe.

The "patch" was just some changes / entries in the Windows registry, essentially where the hex colour codes for the command prompt's palette. This, or a similar method, might still work today.

You might be better off trying PabloDraw for your art work, though. Or running your preferred ancient program under DOSBox.

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Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: The Millionaire to Android8675 on Tue Jul 09 2019 13:24:51

What the hell is "the dos 16 color system"?

look it up on wikipedia.org.

I done a search for it on the wiki internet web site and I didn't find nothing.

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Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: echicken to The Millionaire on Tue Jul 09 2019 04:37 pm

Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: The Millionaire to Android8675 on Tue Jul 09 2019 13:24:51

What the hell is "the dos 16 color system"?

look it up on wikipedia.org.

I done a search for it on the wiki internet web site and I didn't find nothing.

did you look for colors first?

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Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: The Millionaire to MRO on Mon Jul 08 2019 08:48 pm

there is no orange.

ok brown then.

there is no brown.
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Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: The Millionaire to echicken on Tue Jul 09 2019 13:52:38

I done a search for it on the wiki internet web site and I didn't find
nothing.

did you look for colors first?

It's mostly white and blue before you do the search.

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Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: MRO to The Millionaire on Tue Jul 09 2019 03:54 pm

Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: The Millionaire to MRO on Mon Jul 08 2019 08:48 pm

there is no orange.

ok brown then.

there is no brown.

according to the cga color system.

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Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Tue Jul 09 2019 06:11 am

well for us Sysops who draw ANSI art do care though.

I was BBSing in the 90s (and also ran a BBS then) and have been using TheDraw for a long time. On MS-DOS back then, and today, those two
colors were always brown ('dark yellow') and yellow (the 'bright' version). I've never noticed a change in that.

As was I. And same here, always "brown" and "yellow" for those two colours.

Digital Man had mentioned CGA, and I never used CGA a whole lot.. With
my own PC, I went from Hercules monochrome to VGA, and from then on, it was brown & yellow..

I had CGA for a few years myself, and at university, I used CGA on IBM PCs with IBM monitors back in the late 1980s. But I don't recall any significant differences in the tone of brown used.


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Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Tue Jul 09 2019 01:21 pm

Digital Man had mentioned CGA, and I never used CGA a whole lot..
With my own PC, I went from Hercules monochrome to VGA, and from then
on, it was brown & yellow..

well why was there a patch for xp then?

I still don't know what patch you're referring to. I don't remember seeing a patch for Windows XP to address such an issue.

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Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Tue Jul 09 2019 01:21 pm

Digital Man had mentioned CGA, and I never used CGA a whole lot..
With my own PC, I went from Hercules monochrome to VGA, and from then
on, it was brown & yellow..

well why was there a patch for xp then?

I'm wondering if this an instance of the Mandela Effct.. Nobody else here seems to know what patch you're talking about, nor remembers this issue either.

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Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: echicken to The Millionaire on Tue Jul 09 2019 04:37 pm

What the hell is "the dos 16 color system"?

look it up on wikipedia.org.

I done a search for it on the wiki internet web site and I didn't find nothing.

I tried searching for it there too, but to be fair, I did see some references to 16 color mode:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_Graphics_Adapter

I suspect it wasn't exactly called "the dos 16 color system".. I feel like we're getting to be a little too pedantic in this thread. :)

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Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: echicken to The Millionaire on Tue Jul 09 2019 04:47 pm

I think Nightfox just hasn't seen the "problem" that you're describing. It's a real thing, but IIRC it only affects stuff running under cmd.exe.

The "patch" was just some changes / entries in the Windows registry, essentially where the hex colour codes for the command prompt's palette. This, or a similar method, might still work today.

True, I haven't seen it, or don't remember seeing it, or it being a bit issue at least. Sounds like it was a thing though.

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Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: MRO to The Millionaire on Tue Jul 09 2019 03:54 pm

there is no orange.

ok brown then.

there is no brown.

eh.. I thought the non-bright version of yello was brown.. What would you call it? Dark yellow?

I always thought that specific color was a little odd, since rather than being a dark & bright version of the same color, it always looked like brown (dark) & yellow (bright). I remember other people referring to it as brown too.

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Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: MRO to The Millionaire on Tue Jul 09 2019 03:54 pm

there is no orange.

ok brown then.

there is no brown.

From this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_Graphics_Adapter#160%C3%97100_16_color_mode Under References:
The color brown, represented by R=1, G=1, B=0, I=0, is an exception; whereas a straight interpretation of these bit values would resolve this color as dark yellow

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Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: Nightfox to MRO on Tue Jul 09 2019 18:49:55

there is no brown.

eh.. I thought the non-bright version of yello was brown.. What would you call it? Dark yellow?

No no no, that's orange.

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Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Tue Jul 09 2019 06:11 am

I don't know if Microsoft changed the interpretation of ANSI color change sequences to match the CGA idea of "dark yellow" or not. There's lots of information on the subject: https://devblogs.microsoft.com/commandline/updat ing-the-windows-console-colors/

Whether those changes constitutes a "fix" or "breakage" is a subjective opinion. I imagine most Windows users don't care how IBM CGA monitors displayed "dark yellow" and they're not printing ANSI art in their consoles, so they wouldn't know if it's different than how they were displayed on PCs 20 years ago.

well for us Sysops who draw ANSI art do care though.

Do you export your users view your ANSI art on a Windows console?


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Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: Nightfox to The Millionaire on Tue Jul 09 2019 10:15 am

Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Tue Jul 09 2019 06:11 am

well for us Sysops who draw ANSI art do care though.

I was BBSing in the 90s (and also ran a BBS then) and have been using TheDraw for a long time. On MS-DOS back then, and today, those two colors were always brown ('dark yellow') and yellow (the 'bright' version). I've never noticed a change in that.

Digital Man had mentioned CGA, and I never used CGA a whole lot.. With my own PC, I went from Hercules monochrome to VGA, and from then on, it was brown & yellow..

Right, IBM's BIOS and Microsoft's ANSI.SYS maintained the backward compatibility - colorwise, with CGA. The whole reason why an ANSI "dark yellow" is actually brown is because of CGA.

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Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: Nightfox to The Millionaire on Tue Jul 09 2019 06:42 pm

Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Tue Jul 09 2019 01:21 pm

Digital Man had mentioned CGA, and I never used CGA a whole lot..
With my own PC, I went from Hercules monochrome to VGA, and from then
on, it was brown & yellow..

well why was there a patch for xp then?

I'm wondering if this an instance of the Mandela Effct.. Nobody else here seems to know what patch you're talking about, nor remembers this issue either.

No, it's a real thing. It was just a Windows registry patch (regedit.exe input file) that Grymmjack created many years ago.

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Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: Nightfox to The Millionaire on Tue Jul 09 2019 06:42 pm

I'm wondering if this an instance of the Mandela Effct.. Nobody else here seems to know what patch you're talking about, nor remembers this issue either.

*mengele effect
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Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: Nightfox to The Millionaire on Tue Jul 09 2019 06:42 pm

Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Tue Jul 09 2019 01:21 pm

Digital Man had mentioned CGA, and I never used CGA a whole lot..
With my own PC, I went from Hercules monochrome to VGA, and from then
on, it was brown & yellow..

well why was there a patch for xp then?

I'm wondering if this an instance of the Mandela Effct.. Nobody else here seems to know what patch you're talking about, nor remembers this issue either.

a guy did a registry patch to 'fix' the console colors
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Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: Nightfox to MRO on Tue Jul 09 2019 06:49 pm

there is no orange.

ok brown then.

there is no brown.

eh.. I thought the non-bright version of yello was brown.. What would you call it? Dark yellow?

yes, it's probably dark yellow
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Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: Nightfox to MRO on Tue Jul 09 2019 06:51 pm

Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: MRO to The Millionaire on Tue Jul 09 2019 03:54 pm

there is no orange.

ok brown then.

there is no brown.

From this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_Graphics_Adapter#160%C3% 97100_16_color_mode Under References:
The color brown, represented by R=1, G=1, B=0, I=0, is an exception; whereas a straight interpretation of these bit values would resolve this color as dark yellow

dont care. there is no brown.
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Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Tue Jul 09 2019 10:53 pm

I'm wondering if this an instance of the Mandela Effct.. Nobody else here seems to know what patch you're talking about, nor remembers this issue either.

No, it's a real thing. It was just a Windows registry patch (regedit.exe input file) that Grymmjack created many years ago.

digital man

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Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: MRO to Nightfox on Wed Jul 10 2019 01:10 am

dont care. there is no brown.

maybe regular 'dark brown' is yellow and the yellow we know as yellow is technically bright yellow
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Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: Nightfox to The Millionaire on Tue Jul 09 2019 06:38 pm

Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Tue Jul 09 2019 01:21 pm

Digital Man had mentioned CGA, and I never used CGA a whole lot..
With my own PC, I went from Hercules monochrome to VGA, and from then
on, it was brown & yellow..

well why was there a patch for xp then?

I still don't know what patch you're referring to. I don't remember seeing a patch for Windows XP to address such an issue.

Nightfox

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Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: Nightfox to The Millionaire on Tue Jul 09 2019 06:42 pm

Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: The Millionaire to Nightfox on Tue Jul 09 2019 01:21 pm

Digital Man had mentioned CGA, and I never used CGA a whole lot..
With my own PC, I went from Hercules monochrome to VGA, and from then
on, it was brown & yellow..

well why was there a patch for xp then?

I'm wondering if this an instance of the Mandela Effct.. Nobody else here seems to know what patch you're talking about, nor remembers this issue either.

Nightfox

it was recommended to me by someone a long time ago.

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Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: Digital Man to The Millionaire on Tue Jul 09 2019 10:42 pm

Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: The Millionaire to Digital Man on Tue Jul 09 2019 06:11 am

I don't know if Microsoft changed the interpretation of ANSI color change sequences to match the CGA idea of "dark yellow" or not. There's lots of information on the subject: https://devblogs.microsoft.com/commandline/updat ing-the-windows-console-colors/

Whether those changes constitutes a "fix" or "breakage" is a subjective opinion. I imagine most Windows users don't care how IBM CGA monitors displayed "dark yellow" and they're not printing ANSI art in their consoles, so they wouldn't know if it's different than how they were displayed on PCs 20 years ago.

well for us Sysops who draw ANSI art do care though.

Do you export your users view your ANSI art on a Windows console?

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Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Tue Jul 09 2019 10:53 pm

No, it's a real thing. It was just a Windows registry patch (regedit.exe input file) that Grymmjack created many years ago.

Interesting, that's something I just hadn't noticed.

Nightfox

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Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: MRO to Nightfox on Wed Jul 10 2019 01:07 am

I'm wondering if this an instance of the Mandela Effct.. Nobody else
here seems to know what patch you're talking about, nor remembers this
issue either.

*mengele effect

No, it's actually called the Mandela Effect.
https://mandelaeffect.com/about

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Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: MRO to Nightfox on Wed Jul 10 2019 01:09 am

eh.. I thought the non-bright version of yello was brown.. What
would you call it? Dark yellow?

yes, it's probably dark yellow

'Dark yellow' might be what some people call it officially, but it appears brown.

Nightfox

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Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: Nightfox to MRO on Wed Jul 10 2019 09:41 am

Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: MRO to Nightfox on Wed Jul 10 2019 01:07 am

I'm wondering if this an instance of the Mandela Effct.. Nobody else
here seems to know what patch you're talking about, nor remembers this
issue either.

*mengele effect

No, it's actually called the Mandela Effect.

ah, see, you're having a mengele effect about the mandela effect.
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Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: Nightfox to MRO on Wed Jul 10 2019 09:41 am

Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: MRO to Nightfox on Wed Jul 10 2019 01:09 am

eh.. I thought the non-bright version of yello was brown.. What
would you call it? Dark yellow?

yes, it's probably dark yellow

'Dark yellow' might be what some people call it officially, but it appears brown.

maybe you fuckers are colorblind.

https://i.imgur.com/y7YHdsL.png
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Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: MRO to Nightfox on Wed Jul 10 2019 04:15 pm

'Dark yellow' might be what some people call it officially, but it
appears brown.

maybe you fuckers are colorblind.

https://i.imgur.com/y7YHdsL.png

06 looks more brown than yellow to me. Maybe you're the one who is colorblind.

Nightfox

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Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: Nightfox to MRO on Wed Jul 10 2019 05:24 pm

'Dark yellow' might be what some people call it officially, but it
appears brown.

maybe you fuckers are colorblind.

https://i.imgur.com/y7YHdsL.png

06 looks more brown than yellow to me. Maybe you're the one who is colorblind.

it's dark yellow and looks like dark yellow to me. maybe you need to use your video card's color calibration tool. or maybe it's your actual display.
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Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: MRO to Nightfox on Wed Jul 10 2019 10:09 pm

it's dark yellow and looks like dark yellow to me. maybe you need to use your video card's color calibration tool. or maybe it's your actual display.

I think those color calibration tools require using a type of camera to sense the colors coming from the monitor so the software knows the actual colors coming out of the monitor. Also, I recently bought a new monitor for my PC, and I doubt it has issues with colors.

At any rate, for the past 25+ years I've been running a BBS and making ANSIs, I've always seen it as brown and yellow.

Nightfox

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Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: MRO to Nightfox on Wed Jul 10 2019 01:09 am

Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: Nightfox to MRO on Tue Jul 09 2019 06:49 pm

there is no brown.

you call it? Dark yellow?

yes, it's probably dark yellow

What color is this?



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Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: Nightfox to MRO on Wed Jul 10 2019 10:39 pm

I think those color calibration tools require using a type of camera to sense the colors coming from the monitor so the software knows the actual

i mean where it shows you the pictures and you adjust the settings
until they look correct.

At any rate, for the past 25+ years I've been running a BBS and making ANSIs, I've always seen it as brown and yellow.

damn that's a long time to be doing it wrong!
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Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: HusTler to MRO on Thu Jul 11 2019 08:45 am

Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: MRO to Nightfox on Wed Jul 10 2019 01:09 am

Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: Nightfox to MRO on Tue Jul 09 2019 06:49 pm

there is no brown.

you call it? Dark yellow?

yes, it's probably dark yellow

What color is this?

what
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Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: HusTler to MRO on Thu Jul 11 2019 08:45 am

Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: MRO to Nightfox on Wed Jul 10 2019 01:09 am

yes, it's probably dark yellow

What color is this?

I see it as dark orange... or orange/brown mix...
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Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: MRO to HusTler on Thu Jul 11 2019 04:13 pm

What color is this?

what

I think he was referring to the color of the "What color is this?" sentence..

Nightfox

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Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: Nightfox to MRO on Thu Jul 11 2019 05:15 pm

Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: MRO to HusTler on Thu Jul 11 2019 04:13 pm

What color is this?

what

I think he was referring to the color of the "What color is this?" sentence..

And those color codes weren't sent to MRO.

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Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: Nightfox to MRO on Thu Jul 11 2019 05:15 pm

Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: MRO to HusTler on Thu Jul 11 2019 04:13 pm

What color is this?

what

I think he was referring to the color of the "What color is this?" sentence..

who
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Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: Digital Man to Nightfox on Thu Jul 11 2019 06:30 pm

Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: Nightfox to MRO on Thu Jul 11 2019 05:15 pm

Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: MRO to HusTler on Thu Jul 11 2019 04:13 pm

What color is this?

what

I think he was referring to the color of the "What color is this?" sentence..

And those color codes weren't sent to MRO.

oh i thought he just didnt read back in the thread so i said what to confuse him further.

i strip the colors.
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On 2019 Jul 11 17:15:28, you wrote to MRO:

What color is this?

what

I think he was referring to the color of the "What color is this?" sentence..

when originally viewed over here, it was white... the first time it was quoted,
it was light cyan... this time it is light green... when viewed on the BBS in the DOVE-Net Synchronet area (vs the gated-to-fidonet side), it was brown... when viewed via my web page or view news in my news reader, it is black on a white background...

the funny thing about this brown vs dark yellow thing is that i have an old manual or two around here that calls it brown... i'll have to see if i can find
them and maybe post an image ;) they're like from the '80s old... i don't even
remember the manufacturer but i do remember one of them was in a small three ring binder ;)

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On 2019 Jul 11 18:30:02, you wrote to Nightfox:

What color is this?

what

I think he was referring to the color of the "What color is this?"
sentence..

And those color codes weren't sent to MRO.

it is great, ain't it! :lolol:

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the existence of rice pudding and income tax before anyone managed to turn
it off.
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On 2019 Jul 11 22:29:34, you wrote to Nightfox:

Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: MRO to HusTler on Thu Jul 11 2019 04:13 pm

What color is this?

what

I think he was referring to the color of the "What color is this?"
sentence..

who

you originally replied "what" to HusTler who wrote the "What color is this?" question... the funny thing is that color codes are stripped when messages are sent via some of the various available methods :)

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it off.
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Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: The Millionaire to Android8675 on Tue Jul 09 2019 01:24 pm

Re: yellow/orange in win os
By: Android8675 to The Millionaire on Tue Jul 09 2019 10:04 am

Why on earth would "ms" fix something like that? What the hell is "the
dos 16 color system"?

look it up on wikipedia.org.

Pass, not really something I care to bother with, just like I have no idea why I'm typing this response.
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