On 2019 Mar 25 10:34:34, you wrote to Tony Langdon:

I thought sysops back then could have their BBS call their uplink as
many times as they wanted, at least technically..

they could and still can, today...

It seemed some FIDO sysops could have a bit of a fit if your BBS
called theirs too much, too little, or at the wrong time(s)..

at one time, i had some system polling here once a minute... there were several
problems with that...

1. there isn't that much mail flowing.

2. the tosser would/could be locked out from handling the
mail because the system was connecting so much. when systems
connect, there are semaphores created so that other software
on the system knows about the connection. when the tosser
goes to run, it looks for those semaphores. if the semaphore
for a system exists, there are two choices the tosser can
make.

a. skip all processing completely. inbound and outbound.

b. process the mail but leave mail for systems with active
semaphores in temp files so they can be moved to the
outbound later when the semaphores are no longer in place.
since these temp files are pkts with a different name,
this is quite easy to do and the destination system can be
determined by simply reading the temp files' pkt header.

there are/were a couple more problems but i've lost that train while writing the above... the above two are the main one, though...

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Re: REDIT
By: mark lewis to Nightfox on Mon Mar 25 2019 03:41 pm

I thought sysops back then could have their BBS call their uplink as
many times as they wanted, at least technically..

they could and still can, today...

Yes, I know (my BBS is on FidoNet). I was just saying I thought it was true back then as well. I ran a BBS in the 90s and got it on FidoNet in the last couple years I ran it, and I seem to remember that being the case.

Nightfox

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On 2019 Mar 25 15:49:00, you wrote to me:

I thought sysops back then could have their BBS call their uplink as
many times as they wanted, at least technically..

they could and still can, today...

Yes, I know (my BBS is on FidoNet). I was just saying I thought it was true back then as well. I ran a BBS in the 90s and got it on FidoNet in the last couple years I ran it, and I seem to remember that being the

case.

yes, i was just clarifying for everyone ;)

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Re: REDIT
By: Nightfox to MRO on Mon Mar 25 2019 10:38 am

Is there a specific reason (or reasons) you don't like the web interfaces currently available for BBSes, and if so, do you have any ideas to make a better web site for a BBS?

my favorite web interface is what vadv uses.
i dont think regular people like our web interfaces PERIOD.


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Re: REDIT
By: Nightfox to Dumas Walker on Mon Mar 25 2019 10:39 am

Re: REDIT
By: Dumas Walker to MARK LEWIS on Sat Mar 23 2019 07:03 pm

somehow i don't think that redditors will come flocking to a BBS...

Over the years, there have at times been threads over there about bbsing that seem to get some folks interested. My guess would be it is the type of interest that would get them visiting once, for nostalgia, and then you'd never see them again... that kind of interest. :)

I only just started using Reddit about 6 months ago.. There does seem to be a bit of interest in some old-school things there though.

Nightfox

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i have to have my phone or i cant poop. ;[

You should see a doctor about that right away. :)

I think it is weird that some guys treat the restroom stall as their not-so private phone booth. I have always wondered what the person on the other
end thinks when they hear the toilets flushing, etc.

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Re: REDIT
By: Nightfox to Dumas Walker on Mon Mar 25 2019 10:39 am

somehow i don't think that redditors will come flocking to a BBS...

Over the years, there have at times been threads over there about
bbsing that seem to get some folks interested. My guess would be it
is the type of interest that would get them visiting once, for
nostalgia, and then you'd never see them again... that kind of
interest. :)

I only just started using Reddit about 6 months ago.. There does seem to be a bit of interest in some old-school things there though.

My reddit account is 12 years old. I've posted on and off in /r/BBS and other similar subreddits, but I've had more new users sign up in the last few weeks that said they're coming from reddit than I have in the past couple years. It's absolutely insane.

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MRO wrote to Nightfox <=-

Is there a specific reason (or reasons) you don't like the web interfaces currently available for BBSes, and if so, do you have any ideas to make a better web site for a BBS?

my favorite web interface is what vadv uses.
i dont think regular people like our web interfaces PERIOD.

People don't go to discrete web forums any more - it's all Facebook.
We'd need to figure out how to get BBS conversations into a Facebook
feed.

Then, you're running into another Eternal September.

I'll need to look around and see what's out there for bbs front ends.
If I could find one with a new scan feature I'd be happy.




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On 03-25-19 10:34, Nightfox wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

If it was between local users, yes, it could get very fast, but echomail always had the huge delays, unless the sysop was well off and crashing mail through. :D

I thought sysops back then could have their BBS call their uplink as
many times as they wanted, at least technically.. It seemed some FIDO sysops could have a bit of a fit if your BBS called theirs too much,
too little, or at the wrong time(s)..

Technically, we could, but at 25c a pop (in this part of the world), it adds
p.


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Re: REDIT
By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Mon Mar 25 2019 07:58 pm

i have to have my phone or i cant poop. ;[

You should see a doctor about that right away. :)

I think it is weird that some guys treat the restroom stall as their not-so private phone booth. I have always wondered what the person on the other end thinks when they hear the toilets flushing, etc.

oh i'm not talking on the phone. i'm just reading the news.
i never bring someone in on a shit.
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Re: Re: REDIT
By: poindexter FORTRAN to MRO on Tue Mar 26 2019 07:23 am

my favorite web interface is what vadv uses.
i dont think regular people like our web interfaces PERIOD.

People don't go to discrete web forums any more - it's all Facebook.
We'd need to figure out how to get BBS conversations into a Facebook
feed.

yeah, that's why i said something like template shares. or maybe something that makes the bbs user think it's all about them. that's what facebook does. i'm not against that because for me it is all about the user.
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On 03-26-19 07:23, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to MRO <=-

People don't go to discrete web forums any more - it's all Facebook.
We'd need to figure out how to get BBS conversations into a Facebook
feed.

That's an overgeneralisation. There's still heaps of web forums around, many are support forums for various software and systems. As for Facebook, I'm not sure you could gate an echo into something like a FB group, because the structure is so different. And also I'm not sure there's a way to submit posts that are not yours. IOW, maybe the best you could do is hang a single user point off FB.


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Re: Re: REDIT
By: poindexter FORTRAN to MRO on Tue Mar 26 2019 07:23 am

People don't go to discrete web forums any more - it's all Facebook.
We'd need to figure out how to get BBS conversations into a Facebook
feed.

There's a web forum I use quite a bit these days which focuses on guitars. The people there tend to dislike Facebook.

Nightfox

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Re: Re: REDIT
By: Tony Langdon to poindexter FORTRAN on Wed Mar 27 2019 08:58:00

People don't go to discrete web forums any more - it's all Facebook.

That's an overgeneralisation. There's still heaps of web forums around, many are support forums for various software and systems. As for Facebook,

That's true, but it becomes a question of what type of user you're trying to serve.

The vast majority prefer a personal feed of messages that are targeted directly at them or align with a variety of their interests, and in one place if possible. So it seems to me, anyhow.

People who visit specialized forums for niche discussion or expert advice are motivated to go out of their way looking for info, or they're less averse to that sort of interface. In the latter case, that puts them some degrees closer to being a BBSer than most.

If you wanted to present an interface for people who almost exclusively use modern social media type stuff (I say "modern" to stave off the "BBSs are the original social media" type comments), it'd have to be a bit different than what we have. Being able to quickly scan topics without paging through tons of individual messages would be a big start. We theoretically have a custom personal feed in the form of new message scans and scanned areas, but I think even that's too verbose.

Things could be done, but I'm not sure if there would be a point to it. What we have are engines for a more traditional forum experience (textmode, web-based, or with a particular client) and they could be used to serve people who want that sort of thing. Those people and their communities still exist and will be around for a long time.

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oh i'm not talking on the phone. i'm just reading the news.
i never bring someone in on a shit.

I am sure whoever you could be talking to is glad of that! :)

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Re: REDIT
By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Wed Mar 27 2019 04:53 pm

oh i'm not talking on the phone. i'm just reading the news.
i never bring someone in on a shit.

I am sure whoever you could be talking to is glad of that! :)

One time I was watching a late-night talk show, and the host said something about an app that lets friends know when you're taking a dump, and then said "They already have that - It's called Words With Friends".

Nightfox

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Re: Re: REDIT
By: poindexter FORTRAN to MRO on Tue Mar 26 2019 07:23 am

People don't go to discrete web forums any more - it's all Facebook.
We'd need to figure out how to get BBS conversations into a Facebook
feed.

Oh god no. Just no.


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One time I was watching a late-night talk show, and the host said something about an app that lets friends know when you're taking a dump, and then said "They already have that - It's called Words With Friends".

LOL!!!

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