• Biggest Crash Ever!

    From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to All on Tuesday, March 10, 2020 03:53:45
    Hello Everybody,

    STOCK MARKET CRASHES WITH BIGGEST LOSS IN HISTORY!

    DOW JONES INDUSTRIAL AVERAGE DOWN 2,013 POINTS (7.8%)!
    S&P 500 PLUNGED 7.6%!
    NASDAQ SANK 7.3%!

    * The 30-stock benchmark dowon 2,158 points at its session low!
    * The yield on the 10-year Treasury note dropped below 0.5% for
    the first time ever! The 30-year rate breached 1%! At one point,
    the 10-year rate had slid to 0.318%!

    Yes, the world really is coming to an end.

    The coronavirus came, oil prices tanked, and now the stock
    market comes crashing down! And all The Orange One can think
    of doing or saying is to blame the media and the oil price war
    for the stock market collapse, while telling the American
    people that lower gasoline prices are "good for the consumer."

    Dr. Jonathon Smith of "Lost in Space" was right when he told
    Will Robinson, "We are doomed."

    --Lee

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Lee Lofaso on Tuesday, March 10, 2020 07:19:38
    On 10 Mar 2020, Lee Lofaso said the following...

    Hello Everybody,

    STOCK MARKET CRASHES WITH BIGGEST LOSS IN HISTORY!

    DOW JONES INDUSTRIAL AVERAGE DOWN 2,013 POINTS (7.8%)!
    S&P 500 PLUNGED 7.6%!
    NASDAQ SANK 7.3%!

    It's still higher then what it was while Obama was in office.
    It will recover, the sky is not falling chicken little.
    So keep your pants on.

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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to Gregory Deyss on Tuesday, March 10, 2020 18:32:00
    Gregory Deyss wrote to Lee Lofaso <=-

    Hello Everybody,

    STOCK MARKET CRASHES WITH BIGGEST LOSS IN HISTORY!

    DOW JONES INDUSTRIAL AVERAGE DOWN 2,013 POINTS (7.8%)!
    S&P 500 PLUNGED 7.6%!
    NASDAQ SANK 7.3%!

    It's still higher then what it was while Obama was in office.
    It will recover, the sky is not falling chicken little.
    So keep your pants on.

    Didn't I hear that the market had its largest one day growth in history just a few days ago?

    Interesting that the Lefties are always quick to point out anything that matches their Narrative.
    And just as quick to ignore anything that goes against their Narrative.


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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Ron Lauzon on Wednesday, March 11, 2020 07:06:46
    On 10 Mar 2020, Ron Lauzon said the following...

    Didn't I hear that the market had its largest one day growth in history just a few days ago?
    Yes you did hear right. What a miserable existence it must be to be a
    democrat.
    For all of the spin that is created by the the media (fake news) that
    is cranked out and all of the hearings that are dreamed up in democratic committees, none of it meets their objective. In fact it has the opposite effect, as it shows the people that this President is working for the American people and that Donald Trump is their greatest champion and will be re-elected in a landslide.

    I can not wait until the Presidential debates it might be Crazy Bernie but it is looking like it may be likely to be Sleepy Joe Biden.
    (Does not matter who the nominee is Trump will smoke whoever it is.)

    Did you hear just yesterday 03/09 he told a worker at a automotive plan that
    he was "Full of Shit" when he was responding to a question on gun rights.

    Did you also hear they are limiting his speak time to no more then 15 to 20 minutes. So that he won't trip over his own words or worse say something that when looked at will raise an eyebrow.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Thursday, March 12, 2020 01:35:02
    On 03-11-20 07:06, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Ron Lauzon about Re: Biggest Crash Ever! <=-

    Didn't I hear that the market had its largest one day growth in history just a few days ago?

    Yes you did hear right.

    While that may well be true, it was a one day correction to the massive
    drop the stock market had in the preceding days. After that it
    continued its downward plunge. As of today (3/11/2020), it is down 20%
    from its high on 2/12/2020. Whether of not it has hit bottom or not is
    yet to be seen. Funny that we no longer seem to hear Trump using the
    market index as evidence of how great he is doing. The truth is that
    the market follows its on path and politics have limited effect on it.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)



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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Thursday, March 12, 2020 06:56:00
    On 12 Mar 2020, Dale Shipp said the following...

    On 03-11-20 07:06, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Ron Lauzon about Re: Biggest Crash Ever! <=-

    Didn't I hear that the market had its largest one day growth in histo just a few days ago?

    Yes you did hear right.

    While that may well be true, it was a one day correction to the massive drop the stock market had in the preceding days. After that it
    continued its downward plunge. As of today (3/11/2020), it is down 20% from its high on 2/12/2020. Whether of not it has hit bottom or not is yet to be seen. Funny that we no longer seem to hear Trump using the market index as evidence of how great he is doing. The truth is that
    the market follows its on path and politics have limited effect on it.

    What the real punchline is, that you won't admit or give credit to Trump.
    The stock market has hit numbers that have smashed previous records on numerous occasions and it is still higher than at any time while Obama was President.

    This is the difference between a community organizer and a Business Man.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gregory Deyss on Thursday, March 12, 2020 16:59:13
    Hello Greg,

    STOCK MARKET CRASHES WITH BIGGEST LOSS IN HISTORY!

    DOW JONES INDUSTRIAL AVERAGE DOWN 2,013 POINTS (7.8%)!
    S&P 500 PLUNGED 7.6%!
    NASDAQ SANK 7.3%!

    It's still higher then what it was while Obama was in office.
    It will recover, the sky is not falling chicken little.
    So keep your pants on.

    Dow Jones average plunged another 1464 points.
    Definitely a bear market.

    --Lee

    Congressional doctor predicts 70-150 million U.S. coronavirus cases

    Source: Axios

    Congress' in-house doctor told Capitol Hill staffers at a close-door
    meeting this week that he expects 70-150 million people in the U.S. —
    roughly a third of the country — to contract the coronavirus, two
    sources briefed on the meeting tell Axios.

    Why it matters: That estimate, which is in line with other projections
    from health experts, underscores the potential seriousness of this
    outbreak even as the White House has been downplaying its severity in
    an attempt to keep public panic at bay.

    Dr. Brian Monahan, the attending physician of the U.S. Congress, told
    Senate chiefs of staff, staff directors, administrative managers and
    chief clerks from both parties on Tuesday that they should prepare for
    the worst, and offered advice on how to remain healthy.

    Read more:

    https://www.axios.com/congressional-physician-predicts-75-150-million- us-coronavirus-cases-fec69e77-1515-4fbc-8340-c53b65c22c53.html

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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to Gregory Deyss on Friday, March 13, 2020 09:35:10
    On 12 Mar 2020 at 06:56a, Gregory Deyss pondered and said...

    What the real punchline is, that you won't admit or give credit to Trump.

    There's nothing to give that numbskull credit for.
    He's flubbed everything he was handed so far, and
    is failing miserably with the 2019-nCoV pandemic.

    The stock market has hit numbers that have smashed previous records on numerous occasions and it is still higher than at any time while Obama
    was President.

    So what? Anyone who knows anything about economics
    knows that that's not a good indicator for how the
    economy as a whole is doing.

    This is the difference between a community organizer and a Business Man.

    The guy's bankrupted everything he's ever touched.
    He's a fool with no skills, no intellectual curiosity,
    no empathy or care for anyone that isn't himself.

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    Do you know how ridiculous this makes you look?

    Son, you're a damned disgrace.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Lee Lofaso on Thursday, March 12, 2020 17:21:21
    On 12 Mar 2020, Lee Lofaso said the following...

    STOCK MARKET CRASHES WITH BIGGEST LOSS IN HISTORY!
    DOW JONES INDUSTRIAL AVERAGE DOWN 2,013 POINTS (7.8%)!
    S&P 500 PLUNGED 7.6%!
    NASDAQ SANK 7.3%!

    It's still higher then what it was while Obama was in office.
    It will recover, the sky is not falling chicken little.
    So keep your pants on.

    Dow Jones average plunged another 1464 points.
    Definitely a bear market.

    It is still higher than at any point in the Obama Administration.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dan Cross on Thursday, March 12, 2020 17:56:59
    On 13 Mar 2020, Dan Cross said the following...

    On 12 Mar 2020 at 06:56a, Gregory Deyss pondered and said...

    What the real punchline is, that you won't admit or give credit to Tr

    There's nothing to give that numbskull credit for.
    He's flubbed everything he was handed so far, and
    is failing miserably with the 2019-nCoV pandemic.

    I see what is happening with the left's attempt politicize this and I also understand as to why this is being attempted. I can also make the prediction based on all previous attempts made by will not work and therefore will fail. Just as the previous Democratic attempts have.

    Do they have a Wal*Mart near you? If so great, (the day after the American election) when you turn on the telly you will see what I am talking about and then you can rush out and get your hot chocolate and crayons at a great
    price.

    The stock market has hit numbers that have smashed previous records on numerous occasions and it is still higher than at any time while Obama was President.

    So what? Anyone who knows anything about economics
    knows that that's not a good indicator for how the
    economy as a whole is doing.

    So what? This is what you have to say? It's obvious that you do not understand economics as there many factors at work here.

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    Do you know how ridiculous this makes you look?

    Given your attitude and how you see the world w/ an left slant.
    Why should I give a rats ass? What you think.

    By the way I do not.

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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to Gregory Deyss on Friday, March 13, 2020 11:44:06
    On 12 Mar 2020 at 05:56p, Gregory Deyss pondered and said...

    I see what is happening with the left's attempt politicize this and I
    also understand as to why this is being attempted. I can also make the

    No, you don't, because that's not happening. You're too
    deluded by the garbage you consume from the likes of
    Limbaugh and Fox to recognize it, though.

    prediction based on all previous attempts made by will not work and prediction based on all previous attempts made by will not work and therefore will fail. Just as the previous Democratic attempts have.

    You live in the same fantasy world that Donald Trump
    lives in; you think life is a John Wayne movie. It's
    not.

    Do they have a Wal*Mart near you? If so great, (the day after the

    Thankfully no.

    American election) when you turn on the telly you will see what I am talking about and then you can rush out and get your hot chocolate and crayons at a great price.

    What the hell does that even mean?

    So what? This is what you have to say? It's obvious that you do not understand economics as there many factors at work here.

    Yes, that's what I have to say. Oh, you think the market
    closing high MEANS something? Please, by all means,
    enlighten me as to exactly what economists share that view?

    Given your attitude and how you see the world w/ an left slant.
    Why should I give a rats ass? What you think.

    Because it's people like me who, day in and day out, save
    idiots like you from yourselves. Just do us a favor and
    don't make it so goddamn hard all the time? Start by not
    being such a moral coward.

    Your inept emperor isn't wearing any clothes, by the way.
    The idiot won't be able to con his way out of this one.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Dale Shipp on Friday, March 13, 2020 02:17:05
    Hello Dale,

    Didn't I hear that the market had its largest one day growth in history >RL>just a few days ago?

    Yes you did hear right.

    While that may well be true, it was a one day correction to the massive
    drop the stock market had in the preceding days. After that it
    continued its downward plunge. As of today (3/11/2020), it is down 20%
    from its high on 2/12/2020. Whether of not it has hit bottom or not is
    yet to be seen. Funny that we no longer seem to hear Trump using the
    market index as evidence of how great he is doing. The truth is that
    the market follows its on path and politics have limited effect on it.

    It is infected by the novel coronavirus and may soon die of COVID-19.

    --Lee

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dan Cross on Friday, March 13, 2020 12:09:58
    On 13 Mar 2020, Dan Cross said the following...

    On 12 Mar 2020 at 05:56p, Gregory Deyss pondered and said...

    I see what is happening with the left's attempt politicize this and I also understand as to why this is being attempted. I can also make th

    No, you don't, because that's not happening. You're too
    deluded by the garbage you consume from the likes of
    Limbaugh and Fox to recognize it, though.

    I think you might be frustrated with the common sense and the push back that the left has received from Limbaugh and Fox News as well as others. As the theories of the left and their attempt at logic is thrashed. Time and time again.

    prediction based on all previous attempts made by will not work and prediction based on all previous attempts made by will not work and therefore will fail. Just as the previous Democratic attempts have.

    You live in the same fantasy world that Donald Trump
    lives in; you think life is a John Wayne movie. It's not.

    I could list the many accomplishments of Trump as President, but you wouldn't be interested in any of that, because you live in the delusional world of the left. Your seething hatred blinds you; it also keeps your judgment clouded.

    Do they have a Wal*Mart near you?
    Thankfully no.

    American election) when you turn on the telly you will see what I am talking about and then you can rush out and get your hot chocolate an crayons at a great price.

    What the hell does that even mean?

    You mean to suggest you were unaware of the aftermath and the meltdown that occurred at liberal institutions of education, across the USA. The crying jags and the torment in accepting what just happened. It was Hot Chocolate coloring books and crayons that were supplied to help these grown ass adults cope with the fact that their candidate lost.

    It's going to happen again, just thought that you should be prepared for what will happen AGAIN in November of 2020.

    So what? This is what you have to say? It's obvious that you do not
    understand economics as there many factors at work here.

    Yes, that's what I have to say. Oh, you think the market
    closing high MEANS something? Please, by all means,
    enlighten me as to exactly what economists share that view?

    What would be your point, when you have made up your mind or to put it more accurately convinced by the minds of others.

    Given your attitude and how you see the world w/ an left slant.
    Why should I give a rats ass? What you think.

    Because it's people like me who, day in and day out, save
    idiots like you from yourselves. Just do us a favor and
    don't make it so goddamn hard all the time? Start by not
    being such a moral coward.

    Your efforts will remain insufficient, I don't and never did buy in the
    liberal spin or to the alternatives that are of delusional nature.

    Your inept emperor isn't wearing any clothes, by the way.
    The idiot won't be able to con his way out of this one.

    What are you proclaiming now, that he has allegedly done?

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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to Gregory Deyss on Saturday, March 14, 2020 10:28:31
    On 13 Mar 2020 at 12:09p, Gregory Deyss pondered and said...

    [right-wing garbage deleted]

    What are you proclaiming now, that he has allegedly done?

    You haven't figured it out yet? Let me guess: you
    actually think he's done a good job handling the
    coronavirus outbreak, right? Didn't Limbaugh call
    it the common cold? Trump tweeted that it wasn't
    a big deal _less than a week ago_.

    You're a fool with no morals and no principals.

    Tell me, why do you hate America and the Constitution
    so much?

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  • From TIM RICHARDSON@1:123/140 to GREGORY DEYSS on Friday, March 13, 2020 15:38:00
    On 03-13-20, DAN CROSS said to GREGORY DEYSS:

    On 12 Mar 2020 at 06:56a, Gregory Deyss pondered and said...

    What the real punchline is, that you won't admit or give credit to Trump.


    There's nothing to give that numbskull credit for.
    He's flubbed everything he was handed so far, and
    is failing miserably with the 2019-nCoV pandemic.


    The guy's bankrupted everything he's ever touched.
    He's a fool with no skills, no intellectual curiosity,
    no empathy or care for anyone that isn't himself.


    I love the way Trump has a talent for setting lefties off on a raving fit!


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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Dan Cross on Saturday, March 14, 2020 05:12:14
    Hello Dan,

    I see what is happening with the left's attempt politicize this and I >GD>also understand as to why this is being attempted. I can also make the

    No, you don't, because that's not happening. You're too
    deluded by the garbage you consume from the likes of
    Limbaugh and Fox to recognize it, though.

    Rush Limbaugh received a medal for his efforts.
    Sean Hannity deserves one, too.

    prediction based on all previous attempts made by will not work and >GD>prediction based on all previous attempts made by will not work and >GD>therefore will fail. Just as the previous Democratic attempts have.

    You live in the same fantasy world that Donald Trump
    lives in; you think life is a John Wayne movie. It's
    not.

    Donald Trump never got tested for the coronavirus. So he does
    not have the coronavirus. Even though many of the people he has
    met in the past few days have tested positive for the coronavirus.
    His idiot children, such as Ivanka Trump, never got tested for the
    coronavirus. So she does not have the coronavirus. Even though
    some of the people she has met in the past few days have tested
    positive for the coronavirus. See how that works? All we have
    to do to get rid of the coronavirus is not get tested. And then,
    like a miracle, it will all disappear.

    Do they have a Wal*Mart near you? If so great, (the day after the

    Thankfully no.

    We may all have to start tending our own gardens ...

    American election) when you turn on the telly you will see what I am >GD>talking about and then you can rush out and get your hot chocolate and >GD>crayons at a great price.

    What the hell does that even mean?

    The president declared a national emergency. You do realize
    what this means. If not, allow me to briefly explain what else
    happened today -

    The state of Louisiana postponed its presidential primaries. This is
    a harbinger of things to come. As the coronavirus progresses, it will
    become obvious to all, and most especially the incumbent president,
    that the presidential election in November will have to be postponed indefinitely ...

    So what? This is what you have to say? It's obvious that you do not >GD>understand economics as there many factors at work here.

    Yes, that's what I have to say. Oh, you think the market
    closing high MEANS something? Please, by all means,
    enlighten me as to exactly what economists share that view?

    What goes up must come down ...

    Given your attitude and how you see the world w/ an left slant.
    Why should I give a rats ass? What you think.

    Because it's people like me who, day in and day out, save
    idiots like you from yourselves. Just do us a favor and
    don't make it so goddamn hard all the time? Start by not
    being such a moral coward.

    The only moral coward I have ever heard about was Dorothy's best
    friend Cowardly Lion in the Wizard of Oz. But I had always thought
    that was fiction rather than reality.

    Your inept emperor isn't wearing any clothes, by the way.
    The idiot won't be able to con his way out of this one.

    "No, I don't take responsibility at all." ~Donald Trump, 3/13/2020

    --Lee

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dan Cross on Saturday, March 14, 2020 08:49:01
    On 14 Mar 2020, Dan Cross said the following...

    On 13 Mar 2020 at 12:09p, Gregory Deyss pondered and said...

    [right-wing garbage deleted]

    Which is why I did not waste my time providing facts that you would simply dismiss or take out of context.

    What are you proclaiming now, that he has allegedly done?

    You haven't figured it out yet? Let me guess: you
    actually think he's done a good job handling the
    coronavirus outbreak, right?

    The corona virus will pass, it has been sensationalized, politicized and
    some with the leftist media have used the fear as a weapon.
    Calling it Trump's Virus as well as referring to this as Trump's Katrina..

    Look up what Limbaugh said..

    Tell me, why do you hate America and the Constitution so much?

    Your question makes no since, because you have it ass backwards.
    I do not consider myself to be a Republican, but a Conservative.
    As such I love America and adore the U.S. Constitution.

    As I'm sure if you speak to other Trump Supporters if your in the United States you will get to hear the same things.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to TIM RICHARDSON on Saturday, March 14, 2020 09:09:54
    On 13 Mar 2020, TIM RICHARDSON said the following...

    On 03-13-20, DAN CROSS said to GREGORY DEYSS:

    On 12 Mar 2020 at 06:56a, Gregory Deyss pondered and said...

    What the real punchline is, that you won't admit or give credit to Tru


    There's nothing to give that numbskull credit for.
    He's flubbed everything he was handed so far, and
    is failing miserably with the 2019-nCoV pandemic.


    The guy's bankrupted everything he's ever touched.
    He's a fool with no skills, no intellectual curiosity,
    no empathy or care for anyone that isn't himself.


    I love the way Trump has a talent for setting lefties off on a raving
    fit!

    I know, but perhaps he will be better prepared now that I have informed what was utilized to calm the outrage in 2016.

    Rendering a quieting, comforting silence as the liberal college students grip their crayons with renewed determination; as they do their best to stay within the lines.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to TIM RICHARDSON on Saturday, March 14, 2020 20:31:25
    Hello Tim,

    What the real punchline is, that you won't admit or give credit to Trump.


    There's nothing to give that numbskull credit for.
    He's flubbed everything he was handed so far, and
    is failing miserably with the 2019-nCoV pandemic.


    The guy's bankrupted everything he's ever touched.
    He's a fool with no skills, no intellectual curiosity,
    no empathy or care for anyone that isn't himself.


    I love the way Trump has a talent for setting lefties off on a raving fit!

    Fuck the election, put Biden in charge now.

    --Lee

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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to TIM RICHARDSON on Sunday, March 15, 2020 10:51:20
    On 13 Mar 2020 at 03:38p, TIM RICHARDSON pondered and said...

    I love the way Trump has a talent for setting lefties off on a raving
    fit!

    Why do you hate America so much?

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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to Lee Lofaso on Sunday, March 15, 2020 10:54:23
    On 14 Mar 2020 at 05:12a, Lee Lofaso pondered and said...

    "No, I don't take responsibility at all." ~Donald Trump, 3/13/2020

    It was hilarious to watch all the Pharma execs
    run away as he tried to shake their hands at the
    "Dear Leader" press conference yesterday. Talk
    about leading from the front! What an example!

    I thought Pence would pop his eyes out of his
    sockets if he tried to stick his nose any further
    up Trump's ass.

    The right-wingers can't con their way of the
    mess this time. It's almost funny to watch them
    try; I guess they still think that it's just the
    common cold like Regan and Limbaugh think.

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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to Gregory Deyss on Sunday, March 15, 2020 11:10:36
    On 14 Mar 2020 at 08:49a, Gregory Deyss pondered and said...

    Which is why I did not waste my time providing facts that you would
    simply dismiss or take out of context.

    Translation: "I have no facts, because I'm a right-wing
    idiot and we don't do facts."

    You haven't figured it out yet? Let me guess: you
    actually think he's done a good job handling the
    coronavirus outbreak, right?

    The corona virus will pass, it has been sensationalized, politicized and some with the leftist media have used the fear as a weapon.
    Calling it Trump's Virus as well as referring to this as Trump's
    Katrina..

    If it's just being over-sensationalized, why did the
    president declare a national state of emergency yesterday?
    Why is he getting tested?

    Trump owns our utter FAILURE to address this in a
    timely manner. Like the idiot he is, he thought he
    could just build a wall (put in travel restrictions
    from China) and that would be good enough to stop
    it. Now, we're _exactly_ where Italy was 7 days ago
    in terms of the number of cases, except we don't know
    how many cases there really are because the idiot
    didn't start testing aggressively until now. Why?
    Because he didn't want to know the numbers because
    they would make him look bad.

    He was all about praising himself about tests yesterday.
    Well, where are they?

    Look up what Limbaugh said..

    "It's the common cold." Really smart from a guy with
    stage 4 lung cancer. Limbaugh also said that smoking
    doesn't cause cancer.

    Wow. Only stupid people listen to what Rush Limbaugh
    says and take him seriously.

    Your question makes no since, because you have it ass backwards.
    I do not consider myself to be a Republican, but a Conservative.
    As such I love America and adore the U.S. Constitution.

    No you don't. You hate America and everything that
    makes her great. You can't stand the Constitution.
    You would never stand up for it or for what is morally
    right. Oh, you'll wrap yourself in the flag all right,
    but you know deep in your hear that you don't rate it.

    You aren't even really a conservative; you're just a
    cruel loser who wants to lash out at those who are
    better, smarter, and more successful than you. That's
    why you worship a false god that those of us from New
    York City used as a punchline for decades until idiots
    started taking him seriously and actually elected him
    president! Now that's a joke....

    As I'm sure if you speak to other Trump Supporters if your in the United States you will get to hear the same things.

    Now, we face an unprecedented pandemic, and the most
    unqualified, stupid, benighted president in our history
    is in way, way over his head. For the good of us all,
    why don't you finally have the goddamn common decency
    to admit it, step aside, and let the experts handle the
    situation? You faux-conservatives are going to cost
    people their lives. Well, since you're ok with locking
    kids up in concentration camps, I guess you won't care.

    I'll say it again: Son, you're a goddamn disgrace.

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  • From Gary Ailes@1:129/328 to Dan Cross on Saturday, March 14, 2020 21:03:38
    I thought Pence would pop his eyes out of his
    sockets if he tried to stick his nose any further
    up Trump's ass.

    "Today, with the great leadership of President Trump, I pooped in the potty
    all by myself". -Mike Pence

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Lee Lofaso on Sunday, March 15, 2020 07:51:48
    On 14 Mar 2020, Lee Lofaso said the following...

    Hello Tim,

    What the real punchline is, that you won't admit or give credit to Tru


    There's nothing to give that numbskull credit for.
    He's flubbed everything he was handed so far, and
    is failing miserably with the 2019-nCoV pandemic.


    The guy's bankrupted everything he's ever touched.
    He's a fool with no skills, no intellectual curiosity,
    no empathy or care for anyone that isn't himself.


    I love the way Trump has a talent for setting lefties off on a raving fit

    Fuck the election, put Biden in charge now.

    "All men and women are created, by the, you know, you know the thing,"

    There have been many gaffs, if he steps into the ring with Trump.

    Trump will destroy Biden.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dan Cross on Sunday, March 15, 2020 08:41:14
    If it's just being over-sensationalized, why did the
    president declare a national state of emergency yesterday?
    Why is he getting tested?

    Curious, do you not watch the news or is it that you are many hundreds of miles from the USA and therefore are not aware of what happens here?

    The President was not going to be tested, but his advisors probably convinced him that it would be a very good idea because of the Fact that he was sitting next to a Brazilian leader who has the corona virus, they even shook hands. The President had no ill effects but was tested as a precaution.

    My office was closed Tuesday and Friday, because on Wednesday 3/11
    management called for a office wide meeting, we were all told that there is an employee who pre-quarantined herself at home.

    Trump owns our utter FAILURE to address this in a
    timely manner. Like the idiot he is, he thought he
    could just build a wall (put in travel restrictions
    from China) and that would be good enough to stop
    it. Now, we're _exactly_ where Italy was 7 days ago
    in terms of the number of cases, except we don't know
    how many cases there really are because the idiot
    didn't start testing aggressively until now. Why?
    Because he didn't want to know the numbers because
    they would make him look bad.

    Several inaccurate statements.
    The wall has nothing to corona virus. It was built to stop the hordes of freeloaders from coming into the USA. You know what else this wall has a
    door. Known as ports of entry.

    Restrictions on Travel is smart it is not xenophobic and it has saved many hundreds of lives.

    No you don't. You hate America and everything that
    makes her great. You can't stand the Constitution.
    You would never stand up for it or for what is morally
    right. Oh, you'll wrap yourself in the flag all right,
    but you know deep in your hear that you don't rate it.

    Again you wrong, everything you have within the 5 above lines is reversed
    from what you indicated.

    It's the Democratic Party that has an issue with the American Flag as it is
    not seen in abundance at the Democratic Debates.
    The Democratic Party uses people like pawns, they hand out free shit, to bribe them for their vote.
    Think I am wrong?
    Then take a good hard look at San Francisco, California.
    People defecating in the streets. Drug needles in the streets by the hundreds. You would not live among this filth for 5 minutes, people do though.

    You aren't even really a conservative; you're just a
    cruel loser who wants to lash out at those who are
    better, smarter, and more successful than you.

    If you have to brag, then your not even remotely those things.
    Sounds like more of a Fantasy of yours or perhaps a alter-ego.
    You sound very much like your hammering keys within a white castle on a top
    of hill. (when in fact your probably in your pj's or underwear in your mom's basement.) Clean yourself up, your a disgrace.

    Now, we face an unprecedented pandemic, and the most
    unqualified, stupid, benighted president in our history
    is in way, way over his head. For the good of us all,
    why don't you finally have the goddamn common decency
    to admit it, step aside, and let the experts handle the
    situation?

    Someone like Obama, perhaps? who did not stop travel and what happened thousands died. No thanks, I will keep my President who is a business man,
    not a clueless black man, who was a community organizer.

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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to Gregory Deyss on Monday, March 16, 2020 03:19:27
    On 15 Mar 2020 at 08:41a, Gregory Deyss pondered and said...

    If it's just being over-sensationalized, why did the
    president declare a national state of emergency yesterday?
    Why is he getting tested?

    Curious, do you not watch the news or is it that you are many hundreds
    of miles from the USA and therefore are not aware of what happens here?

    First of all, I'm actually a proud American. Unlike
    you faux-conservatives, I actually love my country.

    But what does where I live have to do with my question?
    If you think it's being over-sensationalized, why did
    he declare a state of emergency? Why, a week ago, was
    he saying it's no big deal and people with it should go
    to work? Why has the GOP blocked congressional efforts
    to provide relief bills? Why has Mitch McConnell gone
    on a long weekend instead of staying to deal with this
    crisis?

    The President was not going to be tested, but his advisors probably convinced him that it would be a very good idea because of the Fact that he was sitting next to a Brazilian leader who has the corona virus, they even shook hands. The President had no ill effects but was tested as a precaution.

    According to Rush Limbaugh, who you've admitted you
    listen to, it's just the common cold. So what's the
    big deal?

    My office was closed Tuesday and Friday, because on Wednesday 3/11 management called for a office wide meeting, we were all told that there is an employee who pre-quarantined herself at home.

    Sounds like it might be a bigger deal than you fake
    conservatives tried to make it out to be, huh?

    Several inaccurate statements.
    The wall has nothing to corona virus. It was built to stop the hordes of freeloaders from coming into the USA. You know what else this wall has a door. Known as ports of entry.

    Ah, I see you cannot parse a metaphor. I'm not surprised.
    What's your level of education?

    The reason I put "travel restrictions from China" in
    parenthesis was because that's a metaphor for a wall:
    Ie, the flawed logic that keeping the infected out will
    protect us.

    The rest of your drivel is debunked nonsense.

    Restrictions on Travel is smart it is not xenophobic and it has saved
    many hundreds of lives.

    It was in fact the right thing to do. However, the only
    real effect it would have had was buying us time to prepare.
    But Trump, the idiot that he is, squandered that opportunity.

    In other words, and this is where you and the rest of the
    right-wing noise machine are just plain wrong, travel
    restrictions by themselves don't work: they only buy you
    time. So while it was a good idea to put in the restrictions,
    the necessary follow-through wasn't done because it would
    have made Trump look bad.

    You and the rest of the sheep continue to bleat about what
    a great idea it was without acknowledging that the other
    more important opportunity it _could_ have afforded us was
    squandered.

    Again you wrong, everything you have within the 5 above lines is reversed from what you indicated.

    How, precisely, am I wrong?

    It's the Democratic Party that has an issue with the American Flag as it is not seen in abundance at the Democratic Debates.

    First of all, I'm not a Democrat, but....

    The American Flag is _not_ the country. If you loved our
    Constitution, you'd understand that it is an American's
    right not to display it if they don't want.

    But right-wingers can't understand that, because they lack
    the mental capacity to distinguish between the symbol (ie,
    the flag), and the thing that it symbolizes (ie, the nation).

    If your metric is how many flags are displayed, then you're
    just wrong. This is America, not Nazi Germany.

    The Democratic Party uses people like pawns, they hand out free shit, to bribe them for their vote.

    Oh really? What free shit are they handing out? This
    ought to be amusing....

    Think I am wrong?

    I don't think, I know.

    Then take a good hard look at San Francisco, California.
    People defecating in the streets. Drug needles in the streets by the hundreds. You would not live among this filth for 5 minutes, people do though.

    I've been to San Francisco. Yeah, one screwed up city
    is obviously an indictment of more than half the country.

    How about we look at the right-wing rural areas? Lack
    of industry, chronic health morbidities including obesity,
    high-blood pressure, diabetes; unemployment; lack of
    education; chronic substance abuse; crime; domestic violence;
    high rates of STDs and teen pregnancy; lack of access to
    healthcare; a megachurch on every corner with some idiot
    preacher spouting a hateful perversion of whatever is in
    the new testament; the list goes on and on and on. I
    can step over the feces in San Francisco, but the problems
    in the red states are backed into generations of ignorance
    and inbreeding.

    You aren't even really a conservative; you're just a
    cruel loser who wants to lash out at those who are
    better, smarter, and more successful than you.

    If you have to brag, then your not even remotely those things.

    You're not much on reading comprehension, are you?

    You sound very much like your hammering keys within a white castle on a top of hill. (when in fact your probably in your pj's or underwear in
    your mom's basement.) Clean yourself up, your a disgrace.

    Well, we know YOU can't be in your mom's basement because
    most double-wide's don't have basements.

    Someone like Obama, perhaps? who did not stop travel and what happened thousands died. No thanks, I will keep my President who is a business man, not a clueless black man, who was a community organizer.

    Ah! It FINALLY comes out! You were just mad that Obama
    is black. Well, thanks for admitting it. Compare Obama's
    reactions to both H1N1 and Ebola to Trump's inaction on
    COVID-19. Who disbanded the pandemic response team on the
    NSC?

    Trump is a joke.

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  • From Gary Ailes@1:129/328 to Gregory Deyss on Sunday, March 15, 2020 18:33:09
    On 15 Mar 2020, Gregory Deyss said the following...
    Someone like Obama, perhaps? who did not stop travel and what happened thousands died. No thanks, I will keep my President who is a business man, not a clueless black man, who was a community organizer.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Monday, March 16, 2020 01:07:00
    On 03-15-20 08:41, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dan Cross about Re: Biggest Crash Ever! <=-


    Now, we face an unprecedented pandemic, and the most
    unqualified, stupid, benighted president in our history
    is in way, way over his head. For the good of us all,
    why don't you finally have the goddamn common decency
    to admit it, step aside, and let the experts handle the
    situation?

    Someone like Obama, perhaps? who did not stop travel and what happened thousands died. No thanks, I will keep my President who is a business man, not a clueless black man, who was a community organizer.

    Which pandemic are you talking about? Try looking up the statistics on
    the Ebola pandemic and compare the number of infections and deaths in
    the USA to the number of same from Covid-19 as of today -- and we are
    just getting started.

    Obama had a lot more clue as to what was happening and how to deal with
    it than Trump, who claimed that it would all be over in a week. Your
    President is a failed business man, and knows even less about public
    health. Given the comparison, I think that black is much better than
    orange.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Dale Shipp on Monday, March 16, 2020 22:12:01
    Hello Dale,

    Now, we face an unprecedented pandemic, and the most
    unqualified, stupid, benighted president in our history
    is in way, way over his head. For the good of us all,
    why don't you finally have the goddamn common decency
    to admit it, step aside, and let the experts handle the
    situation?

    Someone like Obama, perhaps? who did not stop travel and what happened >GD>thousands died. No thanks, I will keep my President who is a business >GD>man, not a clueless black man, who was a community organizer.

    Which pandemic are you talking about? Try looking up the statistics on
    the Ebola pandemic and compare the number of infections and deaths in
    the USA to the number of same from Covid-19 as of today -- and we are
    just getting started.

    Obama had a lot more clue as to what was happening and how to deal with
    it than Trump, who claimed that it would all be over in a week. Your >President is a failed business man, and knows even less about public
    health. Given the comparison, I think that black is much better than
    orange.

    Trump in blackface? Only with Kanye West's help. Which could happen.

    --Lee

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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to Dale Shipp on Tuesday, March 17, 2020 10:26:54
    On 16 Mar 2020 at 01:07a, Dale Shipp pondered and said...

    On 03-15-20 08:41, Gregory Deyss <=-

    Someone like Obama, perhaps? who did not stop travel and what happene thousands died. No thanks, I will keep my President who is a busines man, not a clueless black man, who was a community organizer.

    Which pandemic are you talking about? Try looking up the statistics on the Ebola pandemic and compare the number of infections and deaths in
    the USA to the number of same from Covid-19 as of today -- and we are
    just getting started.

    They are usually talking about H1N1. They don't like to
    talk about Ebola because it doesn't fit their narrative.
    Oddly enough, they're wrong about H1N1, though. A timeline
    of events:

    Apr 15, 2009: First case of H1N1 diagnosed in the US.
    Apr 22, 2009: CDC activates emergency operations.
    May 15, 2009: Over 1,000,000 tests released
    Aug 31, 2009: Prototype vaccine developed

    So. Four and a half months from first case to an early
    vaccine. Compare to Trump on COVID-19:

    Jan 22, 2020: "We have it totally under control. It's one
    person coming in from China. It's going to be just fine."
    Feb 02, 2020: "We pretty much shut it down coming in from China."
    Feb 24, 2020: "The Coronavirus is very much under control in
    the USA... Stock Market starting to look very good to me!"
    Feb 25, 2020: "CDC and my Administration are doing a GREAT job
    of handling Coronavirus."
    Feb 25, 2020: "I think that's a problem that's going to go away...
    They have studied it. They know very much. In fact, we're
    very close to a vaccine."
    Feb 26, 2020: "The 15 (cases in the US) within a few days is
    going to be down to close to zero."
    Feb 26, 2020: "We're going very substantially down, not up."
    Feb 27, 2020: "One day it's like a miracle, it will disappear."
    Mar 04, 2020: "If we have thousands or hundreds of thousands of
    people that get better just by, you know, sitting around and
    even going to work -- some of them go to work, but they get better."
    Mar 06, 2020: "Anybody right now, and yesterday, anybody that
    needs a test gets a test." (As of Mar 15, 2020, the US had
    administered less than 5,000 tests, according to the CDC.)
    Mar 06, 2020: "I don't need to have the numbers double because
    of one ship that wasn't our fault."
    Mar 09, 2020: "This blindsided the world."

    Well, it blindsided the president! He's in way, way over
    his head. For the good of the country, he should at least
    admit it and find someone competent to manage the crisis.

    World-wide cases just topped 182,000 cases. In the US, we've
    topped 4,200 and are doubling roughly every three days. Since
    we do not have wide-scale testing, because Trump turned down
    tests from the WHO, we have no idea whether the social distancing
    measures put into place over the last week and a half are
    working, let alone sufficient.

    This isn't funny anymore, guys; it's time to let the adults
    take over and fix the mess.

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  • From Alexey Shmonov@1:3634/30 to Dan Cross on Monday, March 16, 2020 17:49:20
    Sorry I missed the start of this conversation, but who are the adults though and are they still around?

    This isn't funny anymore, guys; it's time to let the adults
    take over and fix the mess.

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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to Gregory Deyss on Monday, March 16, 2020 17:47:00
    Gregory Deyss wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-

    On 10 Mar 2020, Ron Lauzon said the following...

    Yes you did hear right. What a miserable existence it must be to be a democrat.

    Ya, they keep having to ignore all the good things that happen. It must be very hard for them. 8)

    But I did recently hear that people on the Left are less happy, in general.

    I can not wait until the Presidential debates it might be Crazy Bernie
    but it is looking like it may be likely to be Sleepy Joe Biden.
    (Does not matter who the nominee is Trump will smoke whoever it is.)

    Now, those debates I want to see. I figure that Biden will forget where he is and walk off the stage at some point.

    Did you hear just yesterday 03/09 he told a worker at a automotive plan that he was "Full of Shit" when he was responding to a question on gun rights.

    Yes, I did see that. For a moment, I couldn't believe that Biden said that. But then I remembered. It was Biden.
    I feel so sorry for the guy. Sort of like when you go visit senile Uncle Ed and Aunt Mary is made at him and lets him wander around without help.

    Did you also hear they are limiting his speak time to no more then 15
    to 20 minutes. So that he won't trip over his own words or worse say something that when looked at will raise an eyebrow.

    Just Joe being Joe.


    ... You have only a very small head and must live within it.
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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to Gregory Deyss on Monday, March 16, 2020 17:53:00
    Gregory Deyss wrote to Lee Lofaso <=-

    "All men and women are created, by the, you know, you know the thing,"

    There have been many gaffs, if he steps into the ring with Trump.

    Trump will destroy Biden.

    Trump doesn't have to do anything. Biden will destroy himself.


    ... You have been selected for a secret mission.
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  • From Ryan Fantus@1:218/820 to Dan Cross on Monday, March 16, 2020 18:58:23
    World-wide cases just topped 182,000 cases. In the US, we've
    topped 4,200 and are doubling roughly every three days. Since
    we do not have wide-scale testing, because Trump turned down
    tests from the WHO, we have no idea whether the social distancing
    measures put into place over the last week and a half are
    working, let alone sufficient.

    Nice write-up. Yeah, we're screwed.

    I tried the math from a different direction. I know firsthand how hard it is
    to get a test, because my girlfriend has COVID and it took us a week of
    begging and basically lying to providers to finally get the test. "Confirmed Cases" is in no way an indication of how many people are infected.

    So let's start with the number of people dead from the virus in the US, which (last I checked) is 69. The virus kills at a rate of 1% of infected people.
    The incubation period is typically two-ish weeks before people are
    symptomatic, so let's use 14 days as our assumed "infected person" -> "dead person" metric (which is very conservative, actually). That means, if we pretend that everyone that died of coronavirus in the US died TODAY (false), that two weeks ago these people were all infected. 1% death rate means start two weeks ago with 6900 infected persons in the US. Now multiply by 1.4 (rate of daily infection) by 14 days and...we've got at least 135k infected people
    in the US. We're hosed.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Alexey Shmonov on Tuesday, March 17, 2020 05:11:18
    Hello Alexey,

    Sorry I missed the start of this conversation, but who are the adults though
    and are they still around?

    This isn't funny anymore, guys; it's time to let the adults
    take over and fix the mess.

    There is no coronavirus in Acadiana. Tito's vodka didn't
    make the cut (too low proof to kill viruses). That is why
    New Orleans distillery Atelier Vie came up with Buck 25.
    It is 125 proof vodka, the sure-fire cure for every virus
    there is, including the coronavirus. Probably cures everything
    else as well. So give it a go!

    I'm still drinking my Cajun vodka, knowing it will keep
    me safe from harm. Since I started drinking that stuff I
    cannot remember the last time I had a virus ...

    --Lee

    --
    Sleep With Someone New

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Ron Lauzon on Tuesday, March 17, 2020 05:11:26
    Hello Ron,

    "All men and women are created, by the, you know, you know the thing,"

    There have been many gaffs, if he steps into the ring with Trump.

    Trump will destroy Biden.

    Trump doesn't have to do anything. Biden will destroy himself.

    Dow Jones hit a new low - losing 2,997 points in a single day.
    That is a loss of 12.9% for the day.
    The S&P 500 dropped 12% for the day.
    Nasdaq closed 12.3% lower (worst day ever).

    Dow down 31.7% from its all-time high.
    S&P 500 and Nasdaq more than 29% below records.

    This is 1929 all over again.

    With a new FDR about to be elected ...

    --Lee

    --
    Big Or Small We Lay Them All

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  • From Kevin K.@1:275/91 to Dan Cross on Monday, March 16, 2020 23:18:14
    On 17 Mar 2020, Dan Cross said the following...

    Which pandemic are you talking about? Try looking up the statistics the Ebola pandemic and compare the number of infections and deaths in the USA to the number of same from Covid-19 as of today -- and we are just getting started.

    They are usually talking about H1N1. They don't like to
    talk about Ebola because it doesn't fit their narrative.
    Oddly enough, they're wrong about H1N1, though. A timeline
    of events:

    Apr 15, 2009: First case of H1N1 diagnosed in the US.
    Apr 22, 2009: CDC activates emergency operations.
    May 15, 2009: Over 1,000,000 tests released
    Aug 31, 2009: Prototype vaccine developed

    So. Four and a half months from first case to an early
    vaccine. Compare to Trump on COVID-19:

    Jan 22, 2020: "We have it totally under control. It's one
    person coming in from China. It's going to be just fine."
    Feb 02, 2020: "We pretty much shut it down coming in from China."
    Feb 24, 2020: "The Coronavirus is very much under control in
    the USA... Stock Market starting to look very good to me!"
    Feb 25, 2020: "CDC and my Administration are doing a GREAT job
    of handling Coronavirus."
    Feb 25, 2020: "I think that's a problem that's going to go away...
    They have studied it. They know very much. In fact, we're
    very close to a vaccine."
    Feb 26, 2020: "The 15 (cases in the US) within a few days is
    going to be down to close to zero."
    Feb 26, 2020: "We're going very substantially down, not up."
    Feb 27, 2020: "One day it's like a miracle, it will disappear."
    Mar 04, 2020: "If we have thousands or hundreds of thousands of
    people that get better just by, you know, sitting around and
    even going to work -- some of them go to work, but they get better."
    Mar 06, 2020: "Anybody right now, and yesterday, anybody that
    needs a test gets a test." (As of Mar 15, 2020, the US had
    administered less than 5,000 tests, according to the CDC.)
    Mar 06, 2020: "I don't need to have the numbers double because
    of one ship that wasn't our fault."
    Mar 09, 2020: "This blindsided the world."

    Well, it blindsided the president! He's in way, way over
    his head. For the good of the country, he should at least
    admit it and find someone competent to manage the crisis.

    World-wide cases just topped 182,000 cases. In the US, we've
    topped 4,200 and are doubling roughly every three days. Since
    we do not have wide-scale testing, because Trump turned down
    tests from the WHO, we have no idea whether the social distancing
    measures put into place over the last week and a half are
    working, let alone sufficient.

    This isn't funny anymore, guys; it's time to let the adults
    take over and fix the mess.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/03/12 (Windows/32)


    Next:
    "Ooops we fucked up"
    We see "oldskool trump" say " You're FIRED.

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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to Ron Lauzon on Tuesday, March 17, 2020 17:49:08
    On 16 Mar 2020 at 05:47p, Ron Lauzon pondered and said...


    Gregory Deyss wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-

    Yes you did hear right. What a miserable existence it must be to be a democrat.

    Ya, they keep having to ignore all the good things that happen. It must be very hard for them. 8)

    It's not hard at all, since so few good things come
    out of the Trump administration. What, precisely, is
    being ignored? Be specific.

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  • From Gerhard Strangar@2:240/2188.575 to Ryan Fantus on Tuesday, March 17, 2020 07:20:01
    Am 16 Mar 20 18:58:23 schrob Ryan Fantus an Dan Cross zum Thema
    <Re: Pandemic>

    Nice write-up. Yeah, we're screwed.

    Why? I don't understand the panic. Everybody is talking about Covid-19, while at the same time "good old" Influenza is killing about ten times as many people
    - at least in Germany. In winter 2018/2019 we had 25,000 people dying from Influenza, but no special measures were taken. So far, we've had 16 deaths from
    Corona and people act as if it were the end of the world. At the same time, more than 200 died from Influenza and noone talks about that. The Corona virus is spreading so fast, because 80% of the people don't even notice when they have it!



    Tschoe mit Oe
    Gerhard
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  • From Ryan Fantus@1:218/820 to Gerhard Strangar on Tuesday, March 17, 2020 01:05:23
    Why? I don't understand the panic. Everybody is talking about Covid-19, while at the same time "good old" Influenza is killing about ten times
    as many people - at least in Germany. In winter 2018/2019 we had 25,000 people dying from Influenza, but no special measures were taken. So far, we've had 16 deaths from Corona and people act as if it were the end of the world. At the same time, more than 200 died from Influenza and noone talks about that. The Corona virus is spreading so fast, because 80% of the people don't even notice when they have it!

    Coronavirus is anywhere from 10-30x as deadly and spreads much more easily
    than the flu. The panic is necessary to contain it.

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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to Ryan Fantus on Wednesday, March 18, 2020 05:36:57
    On 16 Mar 2020 at 06:58p, Ryan Fantus pondered and said...

    Nice write-up. Yeah, we're screwed.

    Thanks for the compliment; if only the news were better. :-(

    I tried the math from a different direction. I know firsthand how hard
    it is to get a test, because my girlfriend has COVID and it took us a
    week of begging and basically lying to providers to finally get the
    test. "Confirmed Cases" is in no way an indication of how many people
    are infected.

    Oh gosh; was she confirmed? How are you both doing?

    So let's start with the number of people dead from the virus in the US, which (last I checked) is 69. The virus kills at a rate of 1% of
    infected people. The incubation period is typically two-ish weeks before people are symptomatic, so let's use 14 days as our assumed "infected person" -> "dead person" metric (which is very conservative, actually). That means, if we pretend that everyone that died of coronavirus in the
    US died TODAY (false), that two weeks ago these people were all
    infected. 1% death rate means start two weeks ago with 6900 infected persons in the US. Now multiply by 1.4 (rate of daily infection) by 14 days and...we've got at least 135k infected people in the US. We're
    hosed.

    Really really interesting analysis, but I'm going to
    quibble with your numbers just a tad. In particular,
    the 69 deaths were cumulative, not just in one day.
    But I think that changes your numbers just by days,
    not fundamentally.

    Yeah. We're hosed.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/03/12 (Windows/32)
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  • From Ryan Fantus@1:218/820 to Dan Cross on Tuesday, March 17, 2020 10:43:34
    Oh gosh; was she confirmed? How are you both doing?

    Today is actually the first day in over a week she doesn't have a fever, and her symptoms are lessening .She still has a nasty cough but the rest of her symptoms are much more manageable.

    She was tested finally Sunday and we'll know for sure the results within the next couple of days.

    Sadly I'm becoming symptomatic now. It sucks.

    Really really interesting analysis, but I'm going to
    quibble with your numbers just a tad. In particular,
    the 69 deaths were cumulative, not just in one day.
    But I think that changes your numbers just by days,
    not fundamentally.

    Yeah, acknowledged, that was actually a bit intentional, because it plays
    into the "most conservative estimate" piece. In other words, the math assumes
    a statistical best-case scenario.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Ryan Fantus on Tuesday, March 17, 2020 21:02:26
    Ryan Fantus : Dan Cross used his keyboard to write :
    DC> World-wide cases just topped 182,000 cases. In the US, we've
    DC> topped 4,200 and are doubling roughly every three days. Since
    DC> we do not have wide-scale testing, because Trump turned down
    DC> tests from the WHO, we have no idea whether the social distancing
    DC> measures put into place over the last week and a half are
    DC> working, let alone sufficient.

    Nice write-up. Yeah, we're screwed.

    I tried the math from a different direction. I know firsthand how hard it
    is
    to get a test, because my girlfriend has COVID and it took us a week of begging and basically lying to providers to finally get the test.
    "Confirmed
    Cases" is in no way an indication of how many people are infected.

    So let's start with the number of people dead from the virus in the US,
    which
    (last I checked) is 69. The virus kills at a rate of 1% of infected people. The incubation period is typically two-ish weeks before people are symptomatic, so let's use 14 days as our assumed "infected person" -> "dead person" metric (which is very conservative, actually). That means, if we pretend that everyone that died of coronavirus in the US died TODAY
    (false),
    that two weeks ago these people were all infected. 1% death rate means
    start
    two weeks ago with 6900 infected persons in the US. Now multiply by 1.4
    (rate
    of daily infection) by 14 days and...we've got at least 135k infected
    people
    in the US. We're hosed.

    Funny thing is the CDC used your math as its own basis to
    determine how many people would likely die in the US as a result
    of the coronavirus, at a kill rate of 1% of infected people.
    So you know what the CDC's answer was? 1.7 million dead.
    Just in the USA.

    The WHO calculates the death rate at 3.4% - which means the CDC
    is lowballing how many folks in the USA are likely to die. But even
    the WHO is lowballing the numbers, which in reality are much higher
    - such as 7.8% in Italy - given the rate of infection is quadradic
    rather than linear.

    I'll let you do the math as to how fast this coronavirus is spreading.
    WHO claims the numbers double every week (7-10 days) at a rate of 2.3
    while the real numbers are showing the numbers doubling every 3 days.
    Of course, this could be due to some areas not testing until recently,
    thus skewing the numbers.

    Bottom line, we are looking at 160+ million infected and 10 to 12
    million dead people due to the coronavirus in the USA by the end of
    this year - and maybe much higher.

    --Lee

    --
    Get Her Wet Here

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gerhard Strangar on Tuesday, March 17, 2020 21:02:34
    Hello Gerhard,

    Nice write-up. Yeah, we're screwed.

    Why? I don't understand the panic. Everybody is talking about Covid-19,
    while at the same time "good old" Influenza is killing about ten times as many people - at least in Germany. In winter 2018/2019 we had 25,000 people dying from Influenza, but no special measures were taken. So far, we've had 16 deaths from Corona and people act as if it were the end of the world. At the same time, more than 200 died from Influenza and noone talks about
    that. The Corona virus is spreading so fast, because 80% of the people
    don't even notice when they have it!

    Those people who say things such as "This is no worse than the flu"
    are stupid. They are openly admitting they are scientifically and mathematically illiterate. They will take no precautions to protect
    themselves and put others at risk by their actions. Just like our
    dimwitted president and his idiot children.

    --Lee

    --
    Sleep With Someone New

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Ryan Fantus on Tuesday, March 17, 2020 21:02:41
    Hello Ryan,

    GS> Why? I don't understand the panic. Everybody is talking about
    Covid-19,
    GS> while at the same time "good old" Influenza is killing about ten
    times
    GS> as many people - at least in Germany. In winter 2018/2019 we had
    25,000
    GS> people dying from Influenza, but no special measures were taken. So far,
    GS> we've had 16 deaths from Corona and people act as if it were the end
    of
    GS> the world. At the same time, more than 200 died from Influenza and noone
    GS> talks about that. The Corona virus is spreading so fast, because 80%
    of
    GS> the people don't even notice when they have it!

    Coronavirus is anywhere from 10-30x as deadly and spreads much more easily >than the flu. The panic is necessary to contain it.

    More like 60x as deadly.

    Global rate for concluded cases has reached 6%, with 94% surviving
    - that is 60x higher than the death rate of the seasonal flu (0.1%).

    --Lee

    --
    As Good As It Looks

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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to Ryan Fantus on Wednesday, March 18, 2020 08:46:09
    On 17 Mar 2020 at 10:43a, Ryan Fantus pondered and said...

    Oh gosh; was she confirmed? How are you both doing?

    Today is actually the first day in over a week she doesn't have a fever, and her symptoms are lessening .She still has a nasty cough but the rest of her symptoms are much more manageable.

    She was tested finally Sunday and we'll know for sure the results within the next couple of days.

    Fingers crossed that it all turns out ok.

    Sadly I'm becoming symptomatic now. It sucks.

    Oh no; I'm very sorry to hear that. I hope it ends up
    being mild.

    Yeah, acknowledged, that was actually a bit intentional, because it plays into the "most conservative estimate" piece. In other words, the math assumes a statistical best-case scenario.

    Ah, I think I see how you arrived at that. Ok.

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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to Lee Lofaso on Wednesday, March 18, 2020 08:50:14
    On 17 Mar 2020 at 09:02p, Lee Lofaso pondered and said...

    Funny thing is the CDC used your math as its own basis to
    determine how many people would likely die in the US as a result
    of the coronavirus, at a kill rate of 1% of infected people.
    So you know what the CDC's answer was? 1.7 million dead.
    Just in the USA.

    The IFR (Infection-Fatality Rate) varies across locations
    in accordance to how developed healthcare infrastructure is
    in the location, capacity, etc. In Italy it went through
    the roof once they ran out of hospital space and could no
    longer effectively treat people. 1% is about right for the
    US.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/03/12 (Windows/32)
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  • From Ryan Fantus@1:218/820 to Dan Cross on Tuesday, March 17, 2020 13:34:54
    Fingers crossed that it all turns out ok.

    Thanks. And good news! We still don't have confirmation of infection from the lab but her symptoms have finally begun to improve. Today she has no fever, feels markedly better, and she looks a lot more like herself.

    She's been symptomatic for a week. She still has a bad cough and sniffles but the fever, headache, lethargy is gone.

    Oh no; I'm very sorry to hear that. I hope it ends up
    being mild.

    Thanks. I'm worried because I have asthma (it was bad enough to end a
    military career). So we'll see.

    Ah, I think I see how you arrived at that. Ok.

    It becomes rather terrifying if you apply different values in the equation based on presumed death rates based on different reporting, whether it be
    from CDC or WHO.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A45 2020/02/18 (Linux/64)
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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Dan Cross on Tuesday, March 17, 2020 23:19:13
    Hello Dan,

    Nice write-up. Yeah, we're screwed.

    Thanks for the compliment; if only the news were better. :-(

    Better for all. The numbers today are mind boggling. What
    those numbers might become I don't even want to think about.

    I tried the math from a different direction. I know firsthand how hard >RF>it is to get a test, because my girlfriend has COVID and it took us a >RF>week of begging and basically lying to providers to finally get the >RF>test. "Confirmed Cases" is in no way an indication of how many people >RF>are infected.

    Oh gosh; was she confirmed? How are you both doing?

    I hope they survive. I hope I survive. I hope we all survive.

    So let's start with the number of people dead from the virus in the US, >RF>which (last I checked) is 69. The virus kills at a rate of 1% of >RF>infected people. The incubation period is typically two-ish weeks before >RF>people are symptomatic, so let's use 14 days as our assumed "infected >RF>person" -> "dead person" metric (which is very conservative, actually). >RF>That means, if we pretend that everyone that died of coronavirus in the >RF>US died TODAY (false), that two weeks ago these people were all >RF>infected. 1% death rate means start two weeks ago with 6900 infected >RF>persons in the US. Now multiply by 1.4 (rate of daily infection) by 14 >RF>days and...we've got at least 135k infected people in the US. We're >RF>hosed.

    Really really interesting analysis, but I'm going to
    quibble with your numbers just a tad. In particular,
    the 69 deaths were cumulative, not just in one day.
    But I think that changes your numbers just by days,
    not fundamentally.

    The CDC used a death rate mortality of 1%.
    The WHO used a death rate mortality of 3.4%
    The death rate mortality for Italy is at 7.8%.

    Yeah. We're hosed.

    Yeah. Even the CDC is fudging the numbers, trying to present
    a best-case scenario. It ain't gonna happen, folks. Look at Italy.
    That is the new norm.

    Number of infected in USA doubles every 3 days, same as in Italy.
    Nobody in the news media wants to admit it. But those are the facts,
    given the statistics.

    One other thing. The curve (rate of infection) is not actually
    parabolic, but quadratic. You can chart it out on graph paper with
    the numbers reported by the news media. Statistics 101.

    The whole world is screwed.

    --Lee

    --
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  • From Ryan Fantus@1:218/820 to Lee Lofaso on Tuesday, March 17, 2020 13:32:00
    Bottom line, we are looking at 160+ million infected and 10 to 12
    million dead people due to the coronavirus in the USA by the end of
    this year - and maybe much higher.

    Yeah. The only thing that would prevent this would be a vaccine or a
    legitimate quarantine, neither of which are realistic right now.

    I think what we'll see instead are repeated attempts of very limited quarantines which result in people not being able to work and a further breakdown of society.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A45 2020/02/18 (Linux/64)
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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to Lee Lofaso on Wednesday, March 18, 2020 13:05:02
    On 17 Mar 2020 at 11:19p, Lee Lofaso pondered and said...

    One other thing. The curve (rate of infection) is not actually
    parabolic, but quadratic. You can chart it out on graph paper with
    the numbers reported by the news media. Statistics 101.

    I've found this video to be a good primer on the
    growth rate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kas0tIxDvrg

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/03/12 (Windows/32)
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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Dan Cross on Wednesday, March 18, 2020 02:19:49
    Hello Dan,

    Funny thing is the CDC used your math as its own basis to
    determine how many people would likely die in the US as a result
    of the coronavirus, at a kill rate of 1% of infected people.
    So you know what the CDC's answer was? 1.7 million dead.
    Just in the USA.

    The IFR (Infection-Fatality Rate) varies across locations
    in accordance to how developed healthcare infrastructure is
    in the location, capacity, etc.

    There are only two ways to deal with this crisis -
    * massive testing
    * massive quarantine

    The US has chosen to do neither, until very recently.
    And even then, it is not doing enough. Not nearly enough.

    The overall mortality rate (all age groups) is 3.4% as defined
    by WHO. Those under age 20 are basically immune. Those over age
    80 have a heck of lot more to worry about than anybody else, as
    they are basically goners. But that is not the issue. The CDC's
    estimate is extremely low, and not based on sound science or
    statistical review.

    In Italy it went through the roof once they ran out of hospital space and
    could no longer effectively treat people. 1% is about right for the US.

    You think so? You really think so?

    South Korea has 12.3 hospital beds per 1,000 people.
    Italy has 3.2 per 1,000 people.
    The US has 2.8 per 1,000 people.

    Let's try a wider sample, for comparison -

    South Korea 12.3
    Germany 8.0
    France 6.0
    China 4.3
    Italy 3.2
    USA 2.8

    Source: The Organisation for Economic Co-Operation and Development
    (OECO)

    The US does not have near enough hospital beds to take care of
    those in need. At present, there are many flu patients who are
    already filling beds. Plus others. That means hospitals as of
    now are already two-thirds full. And then there is the question
    of the number of ICU beds available, which coronavirus patients
    will definitely need.

    In Italy, the normal death rate in ICU is 12% to 16%. But now
    the death rate is 50%. While the US does have more ICU beds than
    European countries do on average, the number of ICU beds needed
    remains miniscule given the numbers of people who will need them.

    US hospitals, already two-thirds full, meaning there would be
    at least 17 patients per open bed.

    The coronavirus will end up causing between 10 million and 34
    million hospital visits, about one-fifth of those requiring ICU.

    Not gonna happen, my man. We gonna die. Some of us fast,
    some of us slow. But we all gonna die.

    --Lee

    --
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  • From Ryan Fantus@1:218/820 to Lee Lofaso on Tuesday, March 17, 2020 17:32:43
    Not gonna happen, my man. We gonna die. Some of us fast,
    some of us slow. But we all gonna die.

    They're going to have to be abstemious when it comes to triage. "Nobody over
    80 gets a bed, sorry." Sad reality.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A45 2020/02/18 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: monterey bbs (1:218/820)
  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Dan Cross on Wednesday, March 18, 2020 04:26:21
    Hello Dan,

    One other thing. The curve (rate of infection) is not actually >LL>parabolic, but quadratic. You can chart it out on graph paper with
    the numbers reported by the news media. Statistics 101.

    I've found this video to be a good primer on the
    growth rate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kas0tIxDvrg

    That is an excellent presentation. Easily understood
    by the average person, including most children of high
    school age.

    ***however***

    Far too complicated for the "stable genius" we have occupying
    the White House to understand, as he is mathematically impaired.
    You think something simpler can be found?

    --Lee

    --
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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Ryan Fantus on Wednesday, March 18, 2020 04:26:28
    Hello Ryan,

    Bottom line, we are looking at 160+ million infected and 10 to 12 >LL>million dead people due to the coronavirus in the USA by the end of >LL>this year - and maybe much higher.

    Yeah. The only thing that would prevent this would be a vaccine or a >legitimate quarantine, neither of which are realistic right now.

    A vaccine is wishful thinking. And at least a year away, if
    one is or can be found. How long can a massive quarantine be
    expected to remain in place, and how effective it could really
    be, are two open questions. People in the US have been making
    runs on buying up all the guns and ammo they can find. Along
    with enough toilet paper to last a million lifetimes.

    I think what we'll see instead are repeated attempts of very limited >quarantines which result in people not being able to work and a further >breakdown of society.

    Look on the bright side.
    The government said your check is in the mail.

    --Lee

    --
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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Ryan Fantus on Wednesday, March 18, 2020 14:09:50
    Hello Ryan,

    Not gonna happen, my man. We gonna die. Some of us fast,
    some of us slow. But we all gonna die.

    They're going to have to be abstemious when it comes to triage. "Nobody over
    80 gets a bed, sorry." Sad reality.

    That is what they are doing in Italy now. Many with beds in ICU
    are merely sedated, nothing else being done for them, except waiting
    for them to die so as to have another bed open for somebody else.
    Once a day, doctors call next of kin to let them know, as no visitors
    are allowed.

    Without an ICU bed, a patient has no respirator, and cannot breathe.
    There are only so many ICU beds available in Italy. And the US has
    only a few more ICU beds available than Italy. Do the math.

    The normal mortality rate in ICU in Italy was 12 to 16%.
    Now it is 50%. Hospitals (and ICU beds) in the USA are in
    dire straits here as in Italy. The mortality rate will be
    roughly the same ratio of 50%. For those who are lucky
    enough to get an ICU bed.

    We may be better off taking our chances by staying at home
    and hope never to get sick, or hope to recover without the need
    for an ICU bed. Just be sure to have a quick exit available
    if things really go south fast.

    --Lee

    --
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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to Lee Lofaso on Thursday, March 19, 2020 01:45:27
    On 18 Mar 2020 at 02:19a, Lee Lofaso pondered and said...

    In Italy it went through the roof once they ran out of hospital space and
    could no longer effectively treat people. 1% is about right for the US.

    You think so? You really think so?

    Yes, I do. As long as we can keep the number of occupied
    hospital beds below the threshold, we'll maintain that
    rate. The unfortunate reality, however, is that we're
    unlikely to be able to do that, so our mortality rate will
    also spike.

    As I said earlier, the IFR (Infection-fatality rate) varies
    across healthcare systems. As jacked up as our system is,
    our actual standard of care is very good (if accessible).
    Until it gets overwhelmed, the IFR in the US will remain
    around 1%.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/03/18 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: Agency BBS | Dunedin, New Zealand | agency.bbs.nz (3:770/100)
  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to Lee Lofaso on Thursday, March 19, 2020 01:52:34
    On 18 Mar 2020 at 04:26a, Lee Lofaso pondered and said...

    Far too complicated for the "stable genius" we have occupying
    the White House to understand, as he is mathematically impaired.
    You think something simpler can be found?

    Unfortunately, no; nothing will penetrate that moron's
    thick skull. Whatever capacity he ever had for basic
    human emotions like empathy, introspection, etc, has
    been completely trained out of him. He'll never get it.

    He's now saying he always thought it was a pandemic and
    patting himself on the back for how well he's handling
    it and has handled it so far. What a joke: he basically
    ignored it for two months. His mindless sheep are already
    repeating the talking points.

    The cognitive dissonance is so strong that they just
    cannot see how incompetent he is. What happened to
    that racist Trump Train guy? I suppose he scurried
    away to some dark corner of the Internet once he outed
    himself as just being motivated for his hatred of a
    man's skin. But that he can support this obvious
    failure, this blatant con-man, and say with a straight
    face that he prefers a "businessman" (who has failed
    just about every business he's tried!) is an amazing
    case study in willful ignorance. People would rather
    basically kill themselves by following a life-long
    grifter rather than find someone competent to lead us
    through this crisis since the competent people don't
    agree with them politically. They might literally
    drown on the fluid in their own lungs as long as they
    get to call the other side "libtard."

    It's astounding.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/03/18 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: Agency BBS | Dunedin, New Zealand | agency.bbs.nz (3:770/100)
  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to Alexey Shmonov on Wednesday, March 18, 2020 13:17:00
    Alexey Shmonov wrote to Dan Cross <=-

    Sorry I missed the start of this conversation, but who are the adults though and are they still around?

    The "adults" he is referring to are the Leftie elites who, as usual, think that they know better than everyone else (but really couldn't find their rear end without a guide).


    ... "42? 7 and a half million years and all you can come up with is 42?!"
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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to Ryan Fantus on Wednesday, March 18, 2020 13:22:00
    Ryan Fantus wrote to Gerhard Strangar <=-

    Coronavirus is anywhere from 10-30x as deadly

    Only for certain age groups. The areas hit hardest have a large elderly popularion and poor health systems. Otherwise, COVID-19 is about the same as the normal flu as deadly.

    and spreads much more easily than the flu.

    That's because many of us have had their flu shots - which helps slow the flu's spread and because many of us have had the flu, so our bodies know how to fight it off.

    The panic is necessary to contain it.

    When they declare something to be a Pandemic, it's because they can't contain it. So the panic is useless. COVID-19 is already not containable.

    ... Direct from the Ministry of Silly Walks
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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Ryan Fantus on Wednesday, March 18, 2020 21:28:53
    Hello Ryan,

    Not gonna happen, my man. We gonna die. Some of us fast,
    some of us slow. But we all gonna die.

    They're going to have to be abstemious when it comes to triage. "Nobody over
    80 gets a bed, sorry." Sad reality.

    Ventilators. Where are the ventilators when you really need them?

    --Lee

    --
    Every Bottom Needs A Top

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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to Ron Lauzon on Thursday, March 19, 2020 09:52:21
    On 18 Mar 2020 at 01:17p, Ron Lauzon pondered and said...

    The "adults" he is referring to are the Leftie elites who, as usual,
    think that they know better than everyone else (but really couldn't find their rear end without a guide).

    It's ok, there's a tweet for every occasion!

    March 02, 2020: "So last year 37,000 Americans
    died from the common Flu. It averages between
    27,000 and 70,000 per year. Nothing is shut down,
    life & the economy go on. At this moment there
    are 546 confirmed cases of CoronaVirus, with 22
    deaths. Think about that!"
    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1237027356314869761

    Indeed, let's think about that. But yeah it's
    the everyone else who was telling him that this was
    a big deal that can't find their own asses.

    You are an immoral liar.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/03/18 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: Agency BBS | Dunedin, New Zealand | agency.bbs.nz (3:770/100)
  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Dan Cross on Thursday, March 19, 2020 23:25:59
    Hello Dan,

    In Italy it went through the roof once they ran out of hospital space
    and
    could no longer effectively treat people. 1% is about right for the US. >LL>
    You think so? You really think so?

    Yes, I do. As long as we can keep the number of occupied
    hospital beds below the threshold, we'll maintain that
    rate. The unfortunate reality, however, is that we're
    unlikely to be able to do that, so our mortality rate will
    also spike.

    Wishful thinking. The numbers presented are based on the
    total number of beds, all empty beds with none occupied.
    The real numbers show that hospitals are two-thirds full,
    with many cases of seasonal flu.

    What will be needed is field hospitals, using tents as rooms.
    And converting hospital beds to ICU beds. Otherwise, it will
    be a lost cause.

    To give you an idea as to how many test kits are available,
    just look at the numbers. The state of Louisiana has four and
    a half million people. The highest number of tests it has been
    able to do is 172. A total of 669 tests over 7 days.

    Look at total tested and total cases -

    Total tested - 805 over 8 days
    Total positive - 347 over 8 days

    That is rate fast approaching 50%.

    Think about how many folks who have the coronavirus who
    have never been tested. And might never get tested.
    Along with the inability to test more than just a handful
    of the total population.

    As I said earlier, the IFR (Infection-fatality rate) varies
    across healthcare systems. As jacked up as our system is,
    our actual standard of care is very good (if accessible).
    Until it gets overwhelmed, the IFR in the US will remain
    around 1%.

    The population of Madrid is already 80% infected.
    The population of Italy is almost 70% infected.
    The population of Germany is expected to hit close to 70% infected.

    I fully expect the US to be 80% infected, with 15% severe, half
    of whom will die. That is 20 million dead Americans, before the
    end of this year.

    You still think we're gonna have a presidential election?

    Just think of the new jobs program that the next administration
    will create. No, you do not really want to think about that ...

    --Lee

    --
    We Make Your Wet Dreams Come True

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Dan Cross on Thursday, March 19, 2020 23:26:06
    Hello Dan,

    Far too complicated for the "stable genius" we have occupying
    the White House to understand, as he is mathematically impaired.
    You think something simpler can be found?

    Unfortunately, no; nothing will penetrate that moron's
    thick skull. Whatever capacity he ever had for basic
    human emotions like empathy, introspection, etc, has
    been completely trained out of him. He'll never get it.

    He is a sociopath, and a self-admitted sexual predator. Not to
    mention having narcissistic personality disorder. Total bonkers.
    And yet, the president gets to choose his own doctor, and that
    doctor will always say the president is in great shape and always
    of sound mind.

    Which brings up an interesting question -

    If a president's doctor claims the president is nuts, the
    doctor can have the president taken to a facility for observation
    of unlimited duration. The 25th amendment does not even have to
    be invoked. The doctor can act on his/her own authority.

    I can take this even further.

    The medical staff at St. Elizabeth's Hospital can issue an
    opinion that the president is nuts, and recommend the president
    be admitted for observation of unlimited duration. That way,
    the president's doctor can decide just to go along with it.

    OTOH, the president's doctor might want to let the president
    continue his own self-destructive behavior and die. But that
    would mean losing his own job as well. Which probably explains
    why the president's doctor said nothing when the president shook
    hands with the president of Brazil (who then tested positive
    for the coronavirus).

    He's now saying he always thought it was a pandemic and
    patting himself on the back for how well he's handling
    it and has handled it so far. What a joke: he basically
    ignored it for two months. His mindless sheep are already
    repeating the talking points.

    He fired the pandemic team the Obama administration had
    put in place, and never did a thing to replace it. This
    was back in 2018, and now it is 2020. Cut the funding
    for the CDC, fire the pandemic team and other medical
    experts, and then blame somebody else when a crisis hits.

    The cognitive dissonance is so strong that they just
    cannot see how incompetent he is. What happened to
    that racist Trump Train guy? I suppose he scurried
    away to some dark corner of the Internet once he outed
    himself as just being motivated for his hatred of a
    man's skin. But that he can support this obvious
    failure, this blatant con-man, and say with a straight
    face that he prefers a "businessman" (who has failed
    just about every business he's tried!) is an amazing
    case study in willful ignorance. People would rather
    basically kill themselves by following a life-long
    grifter rather than find someone competent to lead us
    through this crisis since the competent people don't
    agree with them politically. They might literally
    drown on the fluid in their own lungs as long as they
    get to call the other side "libtard."

    Louisiana has a US Representative (Clay Higgins) who
    is trying to imitate Donald Trump with the same kind of
    idiotic taunts, calling the coronavirus the "Chinese
    virus" and such. He put it all on his Facebook page
    for all to watch. Truly sickening video, watching
    a member of Congress rant and rave like a lunatic.

    "The people that own these businesses, they can make
    up their mind. They're not stupid. You can't make their
    decisions for them because you think you know best.
    They know how to limit contact and adjust their
    services to respond to this virus. It's a virus,
    man. We're not being invaded by the Chinese army.
    We're being impacted by a Chinese virus, OK?"
    ~ US Rep. Clay Higgins (R-LA), video on his official
    congressional Facebook page titled "We're not going
    to take it anymore"

    Another Louisiana US Representative (Steve Scalise)
    decided to go into self-quarantine, as he had come into
    contact with someone who had tested positive for the
    coronavirus. But at no time did Scalise start ranting
    and raving at Democrats or others, choosing to act
    like a responsible adult instead.

    US Senator Bill Cassidy also acted like a grown-up
    rather than a small child, applauding the efforts of
    the governor (a Democrat) to deal with the crisis.
    But then, Cassidy is a medical doctor and knows what
    he is talking about, unlike Higgins (and Trump).

    It's astounding.

    Watching live television, a group of grown men standing
    around a president who knows absolutely nothing about the
    coronavirus or how to deal with it, shaking their heads
    up and down in full agreement with whatever their president
    utters.

    Il Duce has arrived in America.

    --Lee

    --
    Erections, That's Our Game

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Lee Lofaso on Friday, March 20, 2020 01:40:02
    On 03-19-20 23:25, Lee Lofaso <=-
    spoke to Dan Cross about Pandemic <=-

    What will be needed is field hospitals, using tents as rooms.
    And converting hospital beds to ICU beds. Otherwise, it will
    be a lost cause.

    I saw in the news tonight that a county in Washington state is
    converting an empty soccer field into a 200 bed hospital. More of that
    sort of thing will be needed (but that is not all that is needed by any
    means).

    To give you an idea as to how many test kits are available,
    just look at the numbers. The state of Louisiana has four and
    a half million people. The highest number of tests it has been
    able to do is 172. A total of 669 tests over 7 days.

    Look at total tested and total cases -

    Total tested - 805 over 8 days
    Total positive - 347 over 8 days

    That is rate fast approaching 50%.

    That sounds like they are only testing people who are already showing
    signs of infection.

    Think about how many folks who have the coronavirus who
    have never been tested. And might never get tested.

    In some areas of mass testing in Europe, about half of the people who
    tested positive showed no symptoms.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


    ... Shipwrecked on Hesperus in Columbia, Maryland. 01:43:39, 20 Mar 2020
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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to Dan Cross on Friday, March 20, 2020 09:19:00
    Dan Cross wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-

    You are an immoral liar.

    Excuse me.
    But I believe you've mistaken me for someone else.

    Like someone who cares about what Leftie "thinks".

    ... Direct from the Ministry of Silly Walks
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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to Ron Lauzon on Saturday, March 21, 2020 03:21:38
    On 20 Mar 2020 at 09:19a, Ron Lauzon pondered and said...

    Dan Cross wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-

    You are an immoral liar.

    Excuse me.
    But I believe you've mistaken me for someone else.

    No, I think not. You're immoral. You're a liar.
    I bet you proclaim yourself to be a "Christian" too,
    right? How many of your relatives are on the public
    dole, and how many are chronic substance abusers?

    Like someone who cares about what Leftie "thinks".

    Then why did you respond?

    It's people like you, yes, you specifically, who
    got us into this mess with a reality TV star for
    a president. Good job!

    Right-wing "thought" at its "best". Tell me,
    where'd the racist go?

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/03/18 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: Agency BBS | Dunedin, New Zealand | agency.bbs.nz (3:770/100)
  • From TIM RICHARDSON@1:123/140 to GREGORY DEYSS on Friday, March 20, 2020 18:54:00
    On 03-14-20, GREGORY DEYSS said to TIM RICHARDSON:

    On 13 Mar 2020, TIM RICHARDSON said the following...


    I love the way Trump has a talent for setting lefties off on a raving
    fit!


    I know, but perhaps he will be better prepared now that I have informed GD>what was utilized to calm the outrage in 2016.


    Rendering a quieting, comforting silence as the liberal college students GD>grip their crayons with renewed determination; as they do their best to GD>stay within the lines.


    Reminds me of what someone said once; "Life is tough. Its even tougher if you're stupid."


    Not all....but most liberals are just plain stupid.

    ---
    *Durango b301 #PE*
    * Origin: Fido Since 1991 | QWK by Web | BBS.FIDOSYSOP.ORG (1:123/140)
  • From TIM RICHARDSON@1:123/140 to ALL on Friday, March 20, 2020 19:04:00
    On 03-14-20, LEE LOFASO said to TIM RICHARDSON:

    Hello Tim,

    What the real punchline is, that you won't admit or give credit to Trump.


    There's nothing to give that numbskull credit for.
    He's flubbed everything he was handed so far, and
    is failing miserably with the 2019-nCoV pandemic.


    The guy's bankrupted everything he's ever touched.
    He's a fool with no skills, no intellectual curiosity,
    no empathy or care for anyone that isn't himself.


    I love the way Trump has a talent for setting lefties off on a raving fit!


    Fuck the election, put Biden in charge now.


    Here's a question I saw asked recently about Bernie Sanders, but it also applies to Joe Biden:


    If Biden and Sanders think their socialist policies are so good....why didn't they both move to socialist countries instead of becoming millionaires in America?

    ---
    *Durango b301 #PE*
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  • From TIM RICHARDSON@1:123/140 to GREGORY DEYSS on Friday, March 20, 2020 19:11:00
    On 03-15-20, GREGORY DEYSS said to LEE LOFASO:

    On 14 Mar 2020, Lee Lofaso said the following...


    Fuck the election, put Biden in charge now.


    "All men and women are created, by the, you know, you know the thing,"


    There have been many gaffs, if he steps into the ring with Trump.


    Trump will destroy Biden.


    It seems to me Biden will be their nominee.


    And if he is I suspect this will be one of the biggest landslide victories in presidential campaign history! Biden will lose.

    ---
    *Durango b301 #PE*
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  • From TIM RICHARDSON@1:123/140 to GREGORY DEYSS on Friday, March 20, 2020 19:20:00
    On 03-15-20, GREGORY DEYSS said to DAN CROSS:


    You aren't even really a conservative; you're just a
    cruel loser who wants to lash out at those who are
    better, smarter, and more successful than you.


    If you have to brag, then your not even remotely those things.


    One of the MANY reasons I rarely if ever exchange conversation with
    such a person can be seen in his sentence above. A quick read of it tells
    you there is no intelligent life there at all. So why bother?

    ---
    *Durango b301 #PE*
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  • From TIM RICHARDSON@1:123/140 to GREGORY DEYSS on Friday, March 20, 2020 20:07:00
    On 03-14-20, DAN CROSS said to GREGORY DEYSS:


    You're a fool with no morals and no principals.



    These two people:


    *Made up fake crimes to hurt Donald Trump


    *Lied to law enforcement


    *Repeatedly lied to the American public


    *Are national laughing stocks



    Jessie Smollett.....Adam Schiff


    ---
    *Durango b301 #PE*
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  • From TIM RICHARDSON@1:123/140 to GREGORY DEYSS on Friday, March 20, 2020 20:28:00
    man, not a clueless black man, who was a community organizer.


    Ah! It FINALLY comes out! You were just mad that Obama
    is black.


    Obama is only half-black.





    ---
    *Durango b301 #PE*
    * Origin: Fido Since 1991 | QWK by Web | BBS.FIDOSYSOP.ORG (1:123/140)
  • From TIM RICHARDSON@1:123/140 to RON LAUZON on Friday, March 20, 2020 20:49:00
    On 03-19-20, DAN CROSS said to RON LAUZON:

    On 18 Mar 2020 at 01:17p, Ron Lauzon pondered and said...

    The "adults" he is referring to are the Leftie elites who, as usual,
    think that they know better than everyone else (but really couldn't find their rear end without a guide).


    It's ok, there's a tweet for every occasion!


    Hee's a nice tweet;


    `Hi, Nancy. I'm on my way over to sign Trump's acquittal papers. Have you
    got any of those fancy gold pens left for me to hand out?' ...Mitch McConnell


    Sale on gold impeachment pens; for decoration only. They don't actually work!


    ---
    *Durango b301 #PE*
    * Origin: Fido Since 1991 | QWK by Web | BBS.FIDOSYSOP.ORG (1:123/140)
  • From Gary Ailes@1:129/328 to TIM RICHARDSON on Saturday, March 21, 2020 08:04:23
    On 20 Mar 2020, TIM RICHARDSON said the following...
    It seems to me Biden will be their nominee.


    And if he is I suspect this will be one of the biggest landslide
    victories in presidential campaign history! Biden will lose.

    Nope. Trump barely won the electoral college in 2016 and lost the popular
    vote big time. His base is strong and he's lost no support there, but he hasn't brought anyone new to the base.

    I'm not saying that he can't win 2020, 2016 proved that anything is possible. But a landslide win? Not going to happen. If there is a landslide it will be in Biden's favor.

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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to TIM RICHARDSON on Sunday, March 22, 2020 05:54:56
    On 20 Mar 2020 at 07:04p, TIM RICHARDSON pondered and said...

    Here's a question I saw asked recently about Bernie Sanders, but it also applies to Joe Biden:

    If Biden and Sanders think their socialist policies are so good....why didn't they both move to socialist countries instead of becoming millionaires in America?

    Maybe because they love their countries and want to make
    them better, unlike most right-wingers?

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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to TIM RICHARDSON on Sunday, March 22, 2020 05:56:20
    On 20 Mar 2020 at 07:11p, TIM RICHARDSON pondered and said...

    And if he is I suspect this will be one of the biggest landslide
    victories in presidential campaign history! Biden will lose.

    Yeah, I think not, unless the right-wingers and their
    enablers steal the election by declaring some kind of
    emergency. But after seeing just how badly Trump has
    fumbled the COVID-19 response, one wonders just how
    ignorant and cruel one has to be to vote for that man.

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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to TIM RICHARDSON on Sunday, March 22, 2020 05:57:10
    On 20 Mar 2020 at 07:20p, TIM RICHARDSON pondered and said...

    One of the MANY reasons I rarely if ever exchange conversation with
    such a person can be seen in his sentence above. A quick read of it tells you there is no intelligent life there at all. So why bother?

    Well, you really OWNED ME, Cletus. You talk about
    people in the third person without engaging them often?

    Lack of intelligence, indeed.

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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to TIM RICHARDSON on Sunday, March 22, 2020 05:59:20
    On 20 Mar 2020 at 08:07p, TIM RICHARDSON pondered and said...

    You're a fool with no morals and no principals.

    These two people:
    *Made up fake crimes to hurt Donald Trump

    Nope.

    *Lied to law enforcement

    Huh?

    *Repeatedly lied to the American public

    You mean Trump?

    It'll just disappear like a miracle?
    It's all under control?
    Cases are close to zero and going down?

    *Are national laughing stocks

    You mean Trump?

    Jessie Smollett.....Adam Schiff

    You're not very smart, are you?

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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to TIM RICHARDSON on Sunday, March 22, 2020 05:59:52
    On 20 Mar 2020 at 08:28p, TIM RICHARDSON pondered and said...

    Obama is only half-black.

    I see. So that makes Gregory's racism somehow tolerable?

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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to TIM RICHARDSON on Sunday, March 22, 2020 06:02:03
    On 20 Mar 2020 at 08:49p, TIM RICHARDSON pondered and said...

    Hee's a nice tweet;

    `Hi, Nancy. I'm on my way over to sign Trump's acquittal papers. Have you got any of those fancy gold pens left for me to hand out?' ...Mitch McConnell

    Derp Derp. Har har. Good one, Cletus! You really owned that 'lib!
    Hyuk hyuk hyuk *cough* *cough* man, Cletus, I ain't feelin' so good.
    *cough* *cough* Must be that cold Rush was talkin' about... durr durr...
    Good thing it's just 'em liberals making a big deal out of nothin'.
    Trump done told me it'd go away like a miracle! *cough* *cough*

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  • From Mike Miller@1:154/30.1 to TIM RICHARDSON on Saturday, March 21, 2020 10:22:20
    Hello, TIM RICHARDSON.
    On 3/20/20 7:04 PM you wrote:

    Fuck the election, put Biden in charge now.
    Here's a question I saw asked recently about Bernie Sanders, but
    it also applies to Joe Biden: If Biden and Sanders think their
    socialist policies are so good....why didn't they both move to
    socialist countries instead of becoming millionaires in America?

    Here's a question for you:

    How do you feel about the socialist policies being put in place to prop up the capitalist economy?



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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Dale Shipp on Sunday, March 22, 2020 20:57:57
    Hello Dale,

    What will be needed is field hospitals, using tents as rooms.
    And converting hospital beds to ICU beds. Otherwise, it will
    be a lost cause.

    I saw in the news tonight that a county in Washington state is
    converting an empty soccer field into a 200 bed hospital. More of that
    sort of thing will be needed (but that is not all that is needed by any >means).

    Whatever works. Not just outdoor or indoor places that can be
    used as hospitals, but also the need for more doctors, nurses, and
    other health care professionals. Plus the masks, gowns, etc. they
    need to work with.

    To give you an idea as to how many test kits are available,
    just look at the numbers. The state of Louisiana has four and
    a half million people. The highest number of tests it has been
    able to do is 172. A total of 669 tests over 7 days.

    Look at total tested and total cases -

    Total tested - 805 over 8 days
    Total positive - 347 over 8 days

    That is rate fast approaching 50%.

    That sounds like they are only testing people who are already showing
    signs of infection.

    There are not enough tests anywhere. Which means this approach
    is deeply flawed. Not only that, but testing only those who are
    showing symptoms gives a false number of who and where the most
    numbers of infections are.

    The only way to find out where the most number of infections
    are occurring is to have random samples around the country, with
    samples taken from everyone regardless of who is and who is not
    already showing signs of infection.

    South Korea tested 200,000+ people while the USA tested less
    than 1,000. That is how far behind the curve the USA is. The
    state of Louisiana is in the same boat as all other states.

    However, because the state of New York has more test kits, it
    can test more people. And it is testing only those who are showing
    signs of infection. Therefore, the numbers of reported positives
    are higher in New York state than anywhere else in the country.

    Larry Brilliant explains this in an interview in "Wired" magazine.

    Think about how many folks who have the coronavirus who
    have never been tested. And might never get tested.

    In some areas of mass testing in Europe, about half of the people who
    tested positive showed no symptoms.

    The novel coronavirus is a new virus. That means nobody in this
    world of 7.8 billion people has immunity. Pandemics end when the
    virus does not have enough susceptible people to infect.

    What happens is when enough people get the bug there just aren't
    enough susceptible people to keep the bug going.

    A vaccine is at least 18 to 24 months away. If a vaccine can
    be found. It usually takes about 10 years to find a vaccine, if
    a vaccine can be found. Many viruses mutate, which is why even
    two years may be wishful thinking.

    Three things need to have happened in order for this pandemic
    to end, according to Brilliant.

    * We need to figure out whether this virus looks like an iceberg
    - 1/7th above the water - or a pyramid, where we see the whole thing.

    * We have a treatment that works, a vaccine or antiviral.

    * Most important - we begin to see large numbers of people -
    especially nurses, doctors, policemen, firemen, and teachers
    who have the disease - are immune, and have tested them to
    know. And we have a system that identifies them - a concert
    wristband or a card with photo and some kind of stamp on it.

    The virus is an equal opportunity infector.

    We need to be certified safe.

    Cannot buy or sell without the number and/or mark of the beast.

    --Lee

    --
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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to Dan Cross on Sunday, March 22, 2020 08:49:00
    Dan Cross wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-

    No, I think not. You're immoral. You're a liar.

    The Left always projects their own faults on others.

    I bet you proclaim yourself to be a "Christian" too,
    right?

    Nope. Not even close.

    How many of your relatives are on the public
    dole, and how many are chronic substance abusers?

    Zero. How many of yours?

    Then why did you respond?

    Because I find it fun to wind Lefties up and listen to them whine.

    It's people like you, yes, you specifically, who
    got us into this mess with a reality TV star for
    a president. Good job!

    Thank you! Record unemployment. Record prosperity. (At least until their Chinese Flu hit.)

    Right-wing "thought" at its "best". Tell me,
    where'd the racist go?

    The racists became Democrats. Actually, the racists were always Democrats.


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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to Gary Ailes on Sunday, March 22, 2020 09:02:00
    Gary Ailes wrote to TIM RICHARDSON <=-

    Nope. Trump barely won the electoral college in 2016 and lost the
    popular vote big time. His base is strong and he's lost no support
    there, but he hasn't brought anyone new to the base.

    Ah, yes the "popular vote" argument. There's a big reason why we don't elect the President via popular vote.
    Research why the Electorial College was created in the first place to see why.

    But here's the tl;dr:
    If the President was elected by popular vote, then the areas that have large population concentration (think New York, (maybe) California) would effectively elect the President.
    The Electorial College system was created so that the President needed to have WIDE SPREAD support across the WHOLE country.

    Hilary certainly didn't have that support (especially calling most of those people "deplorables") so she lost.

    It's also why Trump will win in 2020. Easily.

    I'm not saying that he can't win 2020, 2016 proved that anything is possible. But a landslide win? Not going to happen. If there is a landslide it will be in Biden's favor.

    *Laugh* It's obvious that Biden is in early stage dementia. He's already disqualified to run.

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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to Dan Cross on Sunday, March 22, 2020 09:04:00
    Maybe because they love their countries and want to make
    them better, unlike most right-wingers?

    I think you meant to say "unlike most left-wingers".

    Places like Venesuela and California are failing due to LEFT WING policies.

    Of course, the Lefties won't want to admit that.

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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to Ron Lauzon on Tuesday, March 24, 2020 01:30:19
    On 22 Mar 2020 at 08:49a, Ron Lauzon pondered and said...

    It's people like you, yes, you specifically, who
    got us into this mess with a reality TV star for
    a president. Good job!

    Thank you! Record unemployment. Record prosperity.

    All gone now. But I bet you'll cash your socialist
    check when it comes.

    Right-wing "thought" at its "best". Tell me,
    where'd the racist go?

    The racists became Democrats. Actually, the racists were always Democrats.

    I meant specifically the right-winger who was posting
    here earlier. You know, the racist one? He might take
    exception to you calling him a democrat.

    Ron Lauzon writes:

    The racists became Democrats. Actually, the racists were always Democrats.

    Ron Lauzon also writes:

    (At least until their Chinese Flu hit.)

    So...you're saying you are a democrat?

    But we know you're cool with Americans dying.

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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to Ron Lauzon on Tuesday, March 24, 2020 01:32:41
    On 22 Mar 2020 at 09:04a, Ron Lauzon pondered and said...

    Maybe because they love their countries and want to make
    them better, unlike most right-wingers?

    I think you meant to say "unlike most left-wingers".

    No, I mean right-wingers. People who support Trump hate
    America. It's that simple.

    Places like Venesuela and California are failing due to LEFT WING policies.

    California is failing? Ok. LOL.

    Only stupid people fail to recognize that "not right-wing"
    does not mean "Venezuelan dictatorships."

    Of course, the Lefties won't want to admit that.

    You're not very intelligent, are you?

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  • From Gerhard Strangar@2:240/2188.575 to Ryan Fantus on Tuesday, March 24, 2020 11:49:22
    Am 17 Mar 20 01:05:23 schrob Ryan Fantus an Gerhard Strangar zum Thema
    <Re: Pandemic>

    Coronavirus is anywhere from 10-30x as deadly and spreads much more
    easily than the flu. The panic is necessary to contain it.

    So, from now on you suggest panicking every year? The Corona virus is not going
    to disappear.
    For Influenza, people in Germany can get free inoculations, only 35% of the elder people (>60 years) come to get it, among pregnant women the ratio is as low as 11%. At the canteen, they put up a desinfectant dispenser and I can see a lot of people putting some on their hands, but I've never seen anyone doing it properly.



    Tschoe mit Oe
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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to Dan Cross on Tuesday, March 24, 2020 12:49:00
    Dan Cross wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-

    No, I mean right-wingers. People who support Trump hate
    America. It's that simple.

    You see, there's most of your problem. You are stuck in your little bubble where all "good" people are. You seem to think that if someone isn't in that same bubble that they must be totally evil. In this case, non-Leftie must mean ignorant racists so-called "right wing" groups (who, interestingly, have much more in common with you Lefties).

    California is failing? Ok. LOL.

    It's no surprise. You ignore the homelessness, the companies and middle-class fleeing the state, the 3rd world diseases, etc. because they don't match your narrative.

    Only stupid people fail to recognize that "not right-wing"
    does not mean "Venezuelan dictatorships."

    You're not very intelligent, are you?

    When a Leftie resorts to personal attacks instead of arguments, it means he has lost and refuses to accept it.


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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to Dan Cross on Tuesday, March 24, 2020 12:53:00
    Dan Cross wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-

    All gone now. But I bet you'll cash your socialist
    check when it comes.

    I won't be getting one. I'm still working and I'll be working for the forseeable future.

    You see, unlike Lefties, I'm actually competant.

    I meant specifically the right-winger who was posting
    here earlier. You know, the racist one? He might take
    exception to you calling him a democrat.

    And why do you think I care? The Republicans don't want him. But based on the people Bernie has hired in his election campign, the Dems don't mind one bit.

    But we know you're cool with Americans dying.

    Americans die every day. There's nothing I can do about that.

    But with the death rates of COVID-19 approaching flu levels, it will be interesting to see what happens in the next 2 weeks.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Lee Lofaso on Sunday, March 22, 2020 08:46:58
    I'm still drinking my Cajun vodka, knowing it will keep
    me safe from harm. Since I started drinking that stuff I
    cannot remember the last time I had a virus ...

    I just picked up Western Son Vodka made in the state of Texas.
    I drink the stuff straight, I could, but mainly use it for mixed drinks.
    I'm the bartender at our summer get togethers and parties.
    Waiting for this PITA covid-19 to run it's course so that all of us can get back to normal.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Lee Lofaso on Monday, March 23, 2020 08:06:55
    On 19 Mar 2020, Lee Lofaso said the following...


    The cognitive dissonance is so strong that they just
    cannot see how incompetent he is. What happened to
    that racist Trump Train guy? I suppose he scurried
    away to some dark corner of the Internet once he outed
    himself as just being motivated for his hatred of a
    man's skin. But that he can support this obvious
    failure, this blatant con-man, and say with a straight
    face that he prefers a "businessman" (who has failed
    just about every business he's tried!) is an amazing
    case study in willful ignorance.

    I did not scurry anywhere.
    When this is all over and the invisible enemy has been defeated.
    America will be smashing through the gate containing her.
    All you people creating and peddling this rhetoric are going to look mighty foolish.

    Louisiana has a US Representative (Clay Higgins) who
    is trying to imitate Trump with the coronavirus the "Chinese virus"

    China is the origin.

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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to Ron Lauzon on Wednesday, March 25, 2020 11:47:20
    On 24 Mar 2020 at 12:49p, Ron Lauzon pondered and said...

    Dan Cross wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-

    No, I mean right-wingers. People who support Trump hate
    America. It's that simple.

    You see, there's most of your problem. You are stuck in your little bubble where all "good" people are. You seem to think that if someone isn't in that same bubble that they must be totally evil. In this case, non-Leftie must mean ignorant racists so-called "right wing" groups
    (who, interestingly, have much more in common with you Lefties).

    LOL. Ok, Boomer. You were the one screeching about left-leaning
    people hating Trump.

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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to Ron Lauzon on Wednesday, March 25, 2020 11:48:30
    On 24 Mar 2020 at 12:53p, Ron Lauzon pondered and said...

    Dan Cross wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-

    All gone now. But I bet you'll cash your socialist
    check when it comes.

    I won't be getting one. I'm still working and I'll be working for the forseeable future.

    You see, unlike Lefties, I'm actually competant.

    Oh that's funny. Competent at what, precisely?

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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to Gregory Deyss on Wednesday, March 25, 2020 11:49:53
    On 22 Mar 2020 at 08:46a, Gregory Deyss pondered and said...

    Waiting for this PITA covid-19 to run it's course so that all of us can get back to normal.

    That ain't happenin', Cletus. We're headed for a recession at
    a minimum because your incompetent dear leader is a paper tiger
    lacking any sort of substance.

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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to Gregory Deyss on Wednesday, March 25, 2020 11:54:41
    On 23 Mar 2020 at 08:06a, Gregory Deyss pondered and said...

    I did not scurry anywhere.

    Lie.

    When this is all over and the invisible enemy has been defeated.
    America will be smashing through the gate containing her.

    Her? Who are you talking about?

    All you people creating and peddling this rhetoric are going to look mighty foolish.

    Riiight. Dear Leader is sending his sheeple back to work
    by Easter because it's only 1% of the population that will
    die and it's ok to sacrifice the grands on the alter of the
    Dow Jones.

    You people are despicable. You have no morals or conscience.

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  • From Richard Falken@1:103/705 to Gerhard Strangar on Tuesday, March 17, 2020 11:27:31
    Re: Re: Pandemic
    By: Gerhard Strangar to Ryan Fantus on Tue Mar 17 2020 07:20 am


    Why? I don't understand the panic. Everybody is talking about Covid-19, while at the same time "good old" Influenza is killing about ten times as many people - at least in Germany. In winter 2018/2019 we had 25,000 people dying from Influenza, but no special measures were taken. So far, we've had 16 deaths from Corona and people act as if it were the end of the world. At the same time, more than 200 died from Influenza and noone talks about that. The Corona virus is spreading so fast, because 80% of the people don't even notice when they have it!



    Hello,

    I think they are afraid hospital capacity will be overwelmed, since the disease
    spreads so quickly even if it is not extremely severe.

    There are also reports that it can cause permanent lung damage in some people who recovers, so that is concerning.

    In my opinion, logistics and panic is still worse than the virus itself. We in Spain declared State of Emergency and the country is in lockdown. Business are not allowed to open and people is not allowed on the streets, that sort of thing. In about two days of lockdown we are already seeing small firms and familiar business filling bankrupcy, and people getting fired. I suspect people
    losing their jobs and their roofs is going to be a bigger problem that the disease by a long shot.
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  • From Richard Falken@1:103/705 to Ron Lauzon on Wednesday, March 18, 2020 13:44:16
    Re: Re: Pandemic
    By: Ron Lauzon to Ryan Fantus on Wed Mar 18 2020 01:22 pm


    When they declare something to be a Pandemic, it's because they can't contain it. So the panic is useless. COVID-19 is already not containable.


    I suspect we are getting there. Lots of Spanish politicians are getting it. I suspect that the reason why we know it is because politicians are taking the test, and everybody else isn't.

    What worries me is what authorities will try to sacrifice trying to contain the
    virus.
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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to Richard Falken on Thursday, March 26, 2020 10:19:00
    Richard Falken wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-


    I suspect we are getting there. Lots of Spanish politicians are getting it. I suspect that the reason why we know it is because politicians are taking the test, and everybody else isn't.

    Most of us are going to get it over time. The good news is that the majority of us won't get very sick and will naturally get better. The better news is that once that happens, herd immunity kicks in and naturally controls it.

    The bad news is that many people will need the drugs and some will die. But that's flu season with slightly different numbers.

    And for those Leftie fear mongers:
    According to the news last night (so going by YOUR Leftie media numbers), the mortality rate is 1.42% in the U.S.
    We are grossly underreporting cases - partly because lack of testing, mostly because people are naturally fighting it off. Therefore the 1.42% is much lower. Experts say by a factor of 7.
    That puts the mortality rate at 0.2%. Far less than the WHO's number of 4%.

    What worries me is what authorities will try to sacrifice trying to contain the virus.

    Yes, that's my worry as well.

    The longer this economic shutdown continues, the more small businesses that will not come back.

    ... The number you have dailed...Nine-one-one...has been changed.
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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to Gerhard Strangar on Thursday, March 26, 2020 10:41:00
    Gerhard Strangar wrote to Ryan Fantus <=-

    So, from now on you suggest panicking every year? The Corona virus is
    not going to disappear.
    For Influenza, people in Germany can get free inoculations, only 35% of the elder people (>60 years) come to get it, among pregnant women the ratio is as low as 11%. At the canteen, they put up a desinfectant dispenser and I can see a lot of people putting some on their hands,
    but I've never seen anyone doing it properly.

    Really? Only 35% of them get the flu shot?

    Wow. I got my first flu shot when I was in college. My grandparents took me along with them because the city was giving them out for free. That year, I was one of the few who didn't get hit with the flu.

    After that, I've always get my flu shot and I've never been sorry.

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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to Gregory Deyss on Thursday, March 26, 2020 10:44:00
    Gregory Deyss wrote to Lee Lofaso <=-

    I did not scurry anywhere.
    When this is all over and the invisible enemy has been defeated.
    America will be smashing through the gate containing her.
    All you people creating and peddling this rhetoric are going to look mighty foolish.

    They already do. Trump approval numbers are up again. Media trust numbers are down again.

    Does anyone other than the Lefties actually listen to the Media anymore?

    Louisiana has a US Representative (Clay Higgins) who
    is trying to imitate Trump with the coronavirus the "Chinese virus"

    China is the origin.

    I never did like the way the Media wanted to call it the "bat flu". I mean, come on, that's like dissing Batman. And you don't want to mess with someone who identifies as a bat. 8)


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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to Dan Cross on Thursday, March 26, 2020 10:46:00
    Dan Cross wrote to Gregory Deyss <=-

    That ain't happenin', Cletus. We're headed for a recession at
    a minimum because your incompetent dear leader is a paper tiger
    lacking any sort of substance.

    I thought we are heading for a recession because Dems and Republicans put off their vacation, stayed in Washington and hammered out a relief bill. Then Pelosi returns from her vacation and says "No."

    One thing is for certain, the Dems are going to take a huge beating in the election this year.

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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to Dan Cross on Thursday, March 26, 2020 11:15:00
    Dan Cross wrote to Gregory Deyss <=-

    Riiight. Dear Leader is sending his sheeple back to work
    by Easter because it's only 1% of the population that will
    die and it's ok to sacrifice the grands on the alter of the
    Dow Jones.

    Ah, yes. The new addition to the Narrative: If you don't want to kill the economy, you must want to kill people.

    I keep wondering where you were when the flu killed all those people.

    You people are despicable. You have no morals or conscience.

    Social Justice Warriors always project.

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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to Ron Lauzon on Friday, March 27, 2020 05:47:28
    On 26 Mar 2020 at 11:15a, Ron Lauzon pondered and said...


    You're a liar and a coward.

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  • From Richard Falken@1:103/705 to Ron Lauzon on Thursday, March 26, 2020 13:11:28
    Re: Re: Pandemic
    By: Ron Lauzon to Richard Falken on Thu Mar 26 2020 10:19 am

    I suspect we are getting there. Lots of Spanish politicians are getting it. I suspect that the reason why we know it is because politicians are taking the test, and everybody else isn't.

    Most of us are going to get it over time. The good news is that the majority of us won't get very sick and will naturally get better. The better news is that once that happens, herd immunity kicks in and naturally controls it.

    That is more or less what I suspect will happen. I don't bet a vaccine will show up soon enough to cut this crap short.

    But until it happens, it sucks. I mean, I have insider information that some Spanish hospitals are not taking old people in. If you show up with sympthoms, they tell you to go to your house. If your are very bad, they tell you to go to
    your house and die there.

    Like that.

    At least the US is provisioning stadiums and the like for making campaign hospitals. Our disease management consists in blaming the prime minister we had
    before for the budget cuts in welfare while miss-managing the resources available now.

    The Spanish government bought a big pile of COVID-19 test kits that resulted to
    be chinesse counterfeits. The Spanish government asked for personal protection
    equipment (masks, respirators) to firms, and failed to pay them in time with money that is available, so somebody else bought the equipment instead of us. Meanwhile we have lots of doctors and nurses that are working with insufficient
    equipment, and nobody but politicians is getting tested.

    There are doctos who are symthomatic, and everybody knows they are infected, but since there is no official confirmation and no sense of responsibility, they put them to work anyway.

    I am sorry I am so sour, but it is depressing. The subject popped up in certain
    web forum I am active in which has a No Politics rule, and moderators essentially started punishing people who disliked the current management of the
    situation while allowing everybody who supports the current policies to spread
    their crap.
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  • From Richard Falken@1:103/705 to Ron Lauzon on Thursday, March 26, 2020 13:14:29
    Re: Re: Pandemic
    By: Ron Lauzon to Gerhard Strangar on Thu Mar 26 2020 10:41 am


    Really? Only 35% of them get the flu shot?


    I think it is even lower in Spain.

    There are lots of stats about how effective flu shots are supposed to be, but I
    am always a bit weary of those. The shots available are usually for a very reduced range of virus sub-types, I think, and you can very well get the shot and then get one of the flus that was not covered :-) So if you are at risk then it is good to take it, I guess, but I am not very optimistic regarding results.
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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Dan Cross on Friday, March 27, 2020 01:35:59
    Hello Dan,

    I did not scurry anywhere.

    Lie.

    There is no place to run or hide.
    The virus is an equal opportunity infector.

    When this is all over and the invisible enemy has been defeated. >GD>America will be smashing through the gate containing her.

    Her? Who are you talking about?

    Lady Liberty. Given to us by France.

    All you people creating and peddling this rhetoric are going GD>to look
    mighty foolish.

    Riiight. Dear Leader is sending his sheeple back to work
    by Easter because it's only 1% of the population that will
    die and it's ok to sacrifice the grands on the alter of the
    Dow Jones.

    Dear Leader has declared himself as being a "wartime" president.

    Gotta protect the stock portfolios of those who contribute
    to his cause, rather than protect the American people from all
    enemies, both foreign and domestic.

    You people are despicable. You have no morals or conscience.

    Look on the bright side. The USA is now #1, having replaced
    Italy (which has a death rate of over 10%) as having the highest
    number of cases and dead.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Ron Lauzon on Friday, March 27, 2020 01:36:05
    Hello Ron,

    I suspect we are getting there. Lots of Spanish politicians are getting >RF>it. I suspect that the reason why we know it is because politicians are >RF>taking the test, and everybody else isn't.

    Most of us are going to get it over time.

    About 80% will get infected within the first 3 years.
    The other 20% will also get infected, but later.
    Unless a vaccine is found and administered before then.
    In combination with limited immunity (herd immunity).

    The good news is that the majority of us won't get very sick and will
    naturally get better.

    Everybody who catches the virus is weakened to some extent.
    Some even die.

    The better news is that once that happens, herd immunity kicks in and
    naturally controls it.

    Getting the virus (and surviving) does not guarantee any kind
    of immunity. An infected person who survives can get re-infected.
    Natural immunity is a weakened immunity, not a vaccine. Only some
    of whom were infected will get a natural immunity. Once enough
    infected people (survivors) have gained a natural immunity then
    there is a herd immunity within that geographic area, enough so
    that the virus is unable to spread further in that area.

    Natural immunity is not a vaccine, but rather a weakened immunity
    that loses its effectiveness over time. That is why both herd immunity
    and a vaccine are needed in order to overcome the threat this virus
    poses.

    The bad news is that many people will need the drugs and some will die. But
    that's flu season with slightly different numbers.

    This is not the flu. There are no drugs that work. There is
    no vaccine. The coronavirus is highly contagious, much more so
    that the seasonal flu.

    And for those Leftie fear mongers:

    According to the news last night (so going by YOUR Leftie media numbers),
    the mortality rate is 1.42% in the U.S.

    The death rate in Italy is over 10%.
    The death rate in the USA (as of today) is higher than
    what it is in Italy.

    Want some numbers?

    The number of cases in Italy is 2000 cases per million,
    with a death rate of over 10%. Italy has a total population
    of 60 million people. Do the math.

    The number of cases in the USA is now 2000 cases per million,
    with a death rate of over 10%. The USA has a total population
    of 330 million people. Do the math.

    Numbers per day -

    681,000 cases per day at 10% death rate for USA = ???
    That is the number the USA will reach as calculated for April 12.
    The day The Orange One wants everybody to return to work.

    We are grossly underreporting cases - partly because lack of testing, mostly
    because people are naturally fighting it off. Therefore the 1.42% is much lower. Experts say by a factor of 7. That puts the mortality rate at 0.2%.
    Far less than the WHO's number of 4%.

    I have no earthly clue as to where, or how, you are coming up
    with the numbers you just wrote. Maybe you are making it all up,
    as The Orange One has a habit of doing. Which probably explains
    why both NBC and CNN have tuned him out whenever he gives a press
    conference.

    What worries me is what authorities will try to sacrifice trying to >RF>contain the virus.

    Yes, that's my worry as well.

    China was unable to contain the virus, even with help from the
    rest of the world. Now it is everywhere, except (presumably)
    Antarctica. But since most people are not equipped to live in
    ice, the survivors of this virus (if any) will be very few.

    The longer this economic shutdown continues, the more small businesses that
    will not come back.

    Businesses, both small and large, cannot exist without people.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Ron Lauzon on Friday, March 27, 2020 01:36:13
    Hello Ron,

    So, from now on you suggest panicking every year? The Corona virus is >GS>not going to disappear.
    For Influenza, people in Germany can get free inoculations, only 35% of >GS>the elder people (>60 years) come to get it, among pregnant women the >GS>ratio is as low as 11%. At the canteen, they put up a desinfectant >GS>dispenser and I can see a lot of people putting some on their hands, >GS>but I've never seen anyone doing it properly.

    Really? Only 35% of them get the flu shot?

    Wow. I got my first flu shot when I was in college. My grandparents took
    me
    along with them because the city was giving them out for free. That year, I >was one of the few who didn't get hit with the flu.

    After that, I've always get my flu shot and I've never been sorry.

    There is no vaccine for the novel coronavirus.
    There are no antiviral drugs for the novel coronavirus.
    The novel coronavirus is a new virus, meaning that nobody
    in the entire world of 7.8 billion people has any immunity
    to the virus. IOW, we are all gonna fucking die. Some
    of us sooner than others. But each and every one of us
    will die - man, woman and child.

    --Lee

    --
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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Ron Lauzon on Friday, March 27, 2020 01:36:20
    Hello Ron,

    I did not scurry anywhere.
    When this is all over and the invisible enemy has been defeated. >GD>America will be smashing through the gate containing her.
    All you people creating and peddling this rhetoric are going to look >GD>mighty foolish.

    They already do. Trump approval numbers are up again. Media trust numbers
    are down again.

    Does anyone other than the Lefties actually listen to the Media anymore?

    NBC and CNN no longer air Trump's press conferences.
    And no "lefties" worth their salt would bother watching FoxNews.

    Louisiana has a US Representative (Clay Higgins) who
    is trying to imitate Trump with the coronavirus the "Chinese virus"

    China is the origin.

    I never did like the way the Media wanted to call it the "bat flu". I mean,
    come on, that's like dissing Batman. And you don't want to mess with
    someone who identifies as a bat. 8)

    Italy has a death rate of 10% due to coronavirus, the virus
    that causes COVID-19. But Italy is no longer #1, that title now
    having been taken by the good ol' US of A. Aren't you so proud
    of The Leader of the Free World?

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Dan Cross on Friday, March 27, 2020 02:12:56
    Hello Dan,

    You're a liar and a coward.

    Be careful.
    He is a true believer.
    Has an unlimited supply of free (orange flavor) kool-aid.

    --Lee

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  • From Gerhard Strangar@2:240/2188.575 to Ron Lauzon on Friday, March 27, 2020 07:30:35
    Am 26 Mar 20 10:41:00 schrob Ron Lauzon an Gerhard Strangar zum Thema
    <Re: Pandemic>

    Really? Only 35% of them get the flu shot?

    That's what the Statistisches Bundesamt (federal bureau of statistics) says. I think I don't need to translate that:

    https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/541191/umfrage/impfquote-fuer-in fluenza-grippe-in-deutschland/

    "Die Influenza-Impfquote von ueber 60-Jaehrigen belief sich in der Saison 2016/17 bundesweit auf 34,8 Prozent."




    Tschoe mit Oe
    Gerhard
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  • From Gerhard Strangar@2:240/2188.575 to Lee Lofaso on Friday, March 27, 2020 08:40:18
    Am 27 Mar 20 01:36:13 schrob Lee Lofaso an Ron Lauzon zum Thema
    <Pandemic>

    to the virus. IOW, we are all gonna fucking die. Some
    of us sooner than others.

    We surely are, but not because of Corona. The chance to die because of a heart disease is about 25%, cancer is another 20%.



    Tschoe mit Oe
    Gerhard
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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12 to Gerhard Strangar on Friday, March 27, 2020 07:49:11
    Re: Pandemic
    By: Gerhard Strangar to Lee Lofaso on Fri Mar 27 2020 08:40:18


    to the virus. IOW, we are all gonna fucking die. Some
    of us sooner than others.

    We surely are, but not because of Corona. The chance to die
    because of a heart disease is about 25%, cancer is another 20%.

    birth is a death sentence and the chance of dieing is 100% ;)


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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to Dan Cross on Saturday, March 28, 2020 09:42:00
    Dan Cross wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-

    You're a liar and a coward.

    And Social Justice Warriors still always project.


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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to Richard Falken on Saturday, March 28, 2020 09:57:00
    Richard Falken wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-

    That is more or less what I suspect will happen. I don't bet a vaccine will show up soon enough to cut this crap short.

    You're right. A vaccine won't show up. We do have treatments that are showing to be effective - hydrocholoquinine (probably spelled that wrong) is showing itself to be effective as a pre-treatment as well as a post-treatment.

    All we can really do is keep the health system from being overloaded. But I think we are getting close to that right now.

    But until it happens, it sucks. I mean, I have insider information that some Spanish hospitals are not taking old people in. If you show up
    with sympthoms, they tell you to go to your house. If your are very
    bad, they tell you to go to your house and die there.

    Ya, socialized medicine is bad.

    At least the US is provisioning stadiums and the like for making
    campaign hospitals. Our disease management consists in blaming the
    prime minister we had before for the budget cuts in welfare while miss-managing the resources available now.

    The finger pointing and blame game are happening everywhere.

    The bad thing is that will prevent an honest post-problem evaluation from happening so that we can put plans in place to mitigate future pandemics.

    My wife and I just watched a 10 year old presentation about this topic. It was made partly in response to the 2009 bird flu pandemic. The interesting take aways were:
    1. Most of these epidemics were caused by domestication of animals. They have the diseases and by domesticating them, they were able to pass them on to us. But we developed immunity to those diseases and moved on to...
    2. The next wave of diseases was caused by the industralization of the domestic animal products. We keep the animals bunched u too tightly and the new variations of the old diseases spread fast - and spread to us.

    The presentation (and we respect the doctor giving it) made a good case for going vegetarian.

    I am sorry I am so sour, but it is depressing. The subject popped up in certain web forum I am active in which has a No Politics rule, and moderators essentially started punishing people who disliked the
    current management of the situation while allowing everybody who
    supports the current policies to spread their crap.

    Don't be sorry. This is depressing for everyone.

    I get my hearly flu shot and keep healthy, like many people. I'm lucky in that I'm still working, but many people aren't. And the stock market tanked, so retirement funds are getting hit.

    All the "leaders" can do is point fingers at the other guy and try to blame someone else.

    I take it as reality smacking us hard to teach us a lesson. With any luck, we will learn something from this and be better next time.

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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to Richard Falken on Saturday, March 28, 2020 10:06:00
    Richard Falken wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-

    Really? Only 35% of them get the flu shot?

    I think it is even lower in Spain.

    There are lots of stats about how effective flu shots are supposed to
    be, but I am always a bit weary of those. The shots available are
    usually for a very reduced range of virus sub-types, I think, and you
    can very well get the shot and then get one of the flus that was not covered :-) So if you are at risk then it is good to take it, I guess,
    but I am not very optimistic regarding results.

    They make it clear that's it's not 100%. They try to figure out what strain is going to hit this year and make the shot for that. But if they are wrong, the shot is worthless.

    But so far, I've had good luck. No flu for years now. But, then, I'm a computer geek, so social distancing is the norm. 8)


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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to Gerhard Strangar on Saturday, March 28, 2020 10:13:00
    Gerhard Strangar wrote to Lee Lofaso <=-

    We surely are, but not because of Corona. The chance to die because of
    a heart disease is about 25%, cancer is another 20%.

    Yup. That's about right.

    One of the things I learned seeing all of my grandparents pass away is that I have a high risk of dying of the same thing.
    Every year, we get better at fixing these things, but then something else gets you.

    My great-grandpa had high blood pressure and kidney issues.
    My grandpa took medication for that, so he died of other issues.
    My mom is doing things to avoid those issues.

    Lucky me is doing many things to avoid of those outcomes (plus the things my dad died of).

    So I'm not afraid of COVID-19 in the least.

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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to Ron Lauzon on Sunday, March 29, 2020 04:06:48
    On 28 Mar 2020 at 09:42a, Ron Lauzon pondered and said...

    Dan Cross wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-

    You're a liar and a coward.

    And Social Justice Warriors still always project.

    Funny, pretty sure I didn't see your lying ass
    on either Parris Island or on Afghanistan. But
    by all means, keep on lying, coward.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Ron Lauzon on Sunday, March 29, 2020 02:45:06
    On 03-28-20 09:57, Ron Lauzon <=-
    spoke to Richard Falken about Re: Pandemic <=-

    We do have treatments that are showing
    to be effective - hydrocholoquinine (probably spelled that wrong) is showing itself to be effective as a pre-treatment as well as a post-treatment.

    I don't think that there is evidence of that other than a few antedotal
    cases. Those drugs have yet been subjected to a trial study to see if
    they are effective and what the side effects might be.

    All we can really do is keep the health system from being overloaded.
    But I think we are getting close to that right now.

    In some areas the health system is well pass being overloaded.


    The bad thing is that will prevent an honest post-problem evaluation
    from happening so that we can put plans in place to mitigate future pandemics.

    We had exactly such a planning group, installed by the Obama
    administration. However, since it was an Obama thing -- Trump killed
    it.

    I take it as reality smacking us hard to teach us a lesson. With any luck, we will learn something from this and be better next time.

    See above.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)



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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to Dale Shipp on Monday, March 30, 2020 15:01:00
    Dale Shipp wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-

    I don't think that there is evidence of that other than a few antedotal cases.

    Then you need to keep up on information not from Leftie "news" sources.

    We had exactly such a planning group, installed by the Obama administration. However, since it was an Obama thing -- Trump killed
    it.

    Right... If it was an Osama...er... Obama thing, it was useless and deserved to go. But the whole "Trump defunded the CDC" narrative has already been debunked as fake news.


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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Ron Lauzon on Tuesday, March 31, 2020 03:21:51
    Hello Ron,

    I suspect we are getting there. Lots of Spanish politicians are getting >RF>it. I suspect that the reason why we know it is because politicians are >RF>taking the test, and everybody else isn't.

    Most of us are going to get it over time. The good news is that the
    majority
    of us won't get very sick and will naturally get better. The better news is >that once that happens, herd immunity kicks in and naturally controls it.

    You have absolutely no idea as to what you are talking about.
    Totally clueless. But then, neither does the thing in the oval
    office.

    https://www.sciencealert.com/why-herd-immunity-will-not-save-us- from-the-covid-19-pandemic


    --Lee

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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to Ron Lauzon on Tuesday, March 31, 2020 13:17:22
    On 30 Mar 2020 at 03:01p, Ron Lauzon pondered and said...

    Then you need to keep up on information not from Leftie "news" sources.

    Lies.


    We had exactly such a planning group, installed by the Obama administration. However, since it was an Obama thing -- Trump killed it.

    Right... If it was an Osama...er... Obama thing, it was useless and deserved to go.

    Does it hurt to be this stupid?

    But the whole "Trump defunded the CDC" narrative has
    already been debunked as fake news.

    Lies. Liar Ron gonna lie.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dan Cross on Monday, March 30, 2020 21:39:04
    Does it hurt to be this stupid?

    This is a liberal tactic to call what you understand as stupid, or perhaps
    you think you understand and like to consider yourself more educated to discredit another point of view.

    I do not think Ron is stupid or uneducated, he is more spot on then you
    realize but then again he probably does not watch CNN or PMS-NBC.
    (of which is why his mind is not mush)

    The left portrays themselves as arrogant, but what it is really is ignorance.

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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to Gregory Deyss on Tuesday, March 31, 2020 16:01:16
    On 30 Mar 2020 at 09:39p, Gregory Deyss pondered and said...

    Ah, the racist is back.

    Does it hurt to be this stupid?

    This is a liberal tactic to call what you understand as stupid, or
    perhaps you think you understand and like to consider yourself more educated to discredit another point of view.

    When someone says something stupid, over and over again,
    and they refuse to be corrected, over and over again, then
    either they're willfully ignorant, or stupid. Really,
    that's a distinction without a difference.

    I do not think Ron is stupid or uneducated, he is more spot on then you realize but then again he probably does not watch CNN or PMS-NBC.
    (of which is why his mind is not mush)

    He's a liar, as are you. Seriously, why do you guys hate
    America so much? Why the rejection of science? Why the
    adulation of the orange wannabe in the White House?

    The left portrays themselves as arrogant, but what it is really is ignorance.

    Go ahead; tell me where I'm wrong. Be specific. I'll
    wait.

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    stupid little graphic?

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dan Cross on Tuesday, March 31, 2020 08:03:08
    On 31 Mar 2020, Dan Cross said the following...

    On 30 Mar 2020 at 09:39p, Gregory Deyss pondered and said...

    Ah, the racist is back.

    Back? what makes you believe that? The fact that I call a spade a spade.
    Why do you have a problem with me calling the first black President a moron. (the worst President in American History) There are other words that I could call him but those words would be considered as racist, I am not so I
    wouldn't use those. I voted for him the first time around, so you're wrong again but that is nothing new.

    Does it hurt to be this stupid?

    This is a liberal tactic to call what you understand as stupid, or perhaps you think you understand and like to consider yourself more educated to discredit another point of view.

    When someone says something stupid, over and over again,
    and they refuse to be corrected, over and over again, then
    either they're willfully ignorant, or stupid. Really,
    that's a distinction without a difference.

    Wrong because why, because you said so?

    I do not think Ron is stupid or uneducated, he is more spot on then y realize but then again he probably does not watch CNN or PMS-NBC. (of which is why his mind is not mush)

    He's a liar, as are you. Seriously, why do you guys hate
    America so much? Why the rejection of science? Why the
    adulation of the orange wannabe in the White House?

    Our actions are far from hating America. You continue to have it backwards.


    The left portrays themselves as arrogant, but what it is really is ignorance.

    Go ahead; tell me where I'm wrong. Be specific. I'll
    wait.
    Let's compare what the community organizer did while H1N1 happened.
    Did not declare it National Emergency - until 10 mo
    Did not shut down the borders.
    Did not put forth a travel ban.
    Many people died when they did not need to, if these provisions were used it would of saved lives.

    Lets compare what the Business Man has done while COVID-19
    When it was discovered that one American Citizen had covid-19
    Did install a travel ban from China, which saved lives.
    Did install a second ban from Europe, which continued to save lives.
    Has the best advisors, Doctors, and medical professionals providing the best information.

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    Seriously, though; how are you not embarrassed by this
    stupid little graphic?

    I am glad you "enjoy" it so much.
    My BBS is Capital Station BBS - Capital Station meaning having to do with trains, so it makes perfect sense. Would it annoy you less if the third box said something else?
    You're only one, in fidonet who has a problem with this, as of this
    moment.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:267/150 to Dan Cross on Tuesday, March 31, 2020 18:55:28
    According to Rush Limbaugh, who you've admitted you
    listen to, it's just the common cold. So what's the
    big deal?

    Rush Limbaugh is an entertainer; why not check him out once in a while? He's not always right, and not all conservatives are following his advice. Rush's commentary is as good as mine.

    But right-wingers can't understand that, because they lack

    I don't know where you're from, but I don't see these "right-wingers"
    anywhere. Everyone except the liberal media is thrilled with the economy (before the virus.) The only thing democrats don't like about the strong economy is that there's a Republican who helped ignite it.

    Why hate? Why choose sides over generalizations? If a democrat did anything
    to help the USA instead of his or herself, I'd give them credit for it. Why
    are democrats and/or liberals so reluctant to do the same for republicans?

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12 to Aaron Thomas on Tuesday, March 31, 2020 19:51:22
    Re: Re: Biggest Crash Ever!
    By: Aaron Thomas to Dan Cross on Tue Mar 31 2020 18:55:28


    But right-wingers can't understand that, because they lack

    I don't know where you're from, but I don't see these "right-wingers" anywhere.

    the ones going around shouting about "liberals" and "lefties" *are* the right-wingers... yourself included... if you weren't, you'd be carrying on about both, left-wingers and right-wingers, as well as both, liberals and conservatives... trump is definitely not in the center and if you are 98% with trump as you say, then you are a right-winger and conservative ;)


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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Dale Shipp on Wednesday, April 01, 2020 03:31:04
    Hello Dale,

    We do have treatments that are showing
    to be effective - hydrocholoquinine (probably spelled that wrong) is >RL>showing itself to be effective as a pre-treatment as well as a >RL>post-treatment.

    I don't think that there is evidence of that other than a few antedotal >cases. Those drugs have yet been subjected to a trial study to see if
    they are effective and what the side effects might be.

    Zinc, in combination with chloroquine, has been rumored to be
    effective. How effective is unknown (or unstated).

    Chinese studies have suggested the use of chloroquine shortens
    the length of time for the disease to run its course, say four days
    rather than ten or eleven. Side effects were not mentioned, and
    only a small sample of patients were treated with this approach.

    The use of zinc is the new sensation these days. A DIY approach,
    allowing folks at home to "immunize" themselves from the virus by
    taking these vitamins ahead of time so that if they catch the bug
    the worst that can happen will be to suffer mild effects.

    Just be sure to avoid zinc oxide, as it is impossible to absorb.
    And never take over 40mg in a single day, otherwise bad things can
    happen. Including loss of smell.

    All we can really do is keep the health system from being overloaded. >RL>But I think we are getting close to that right now.

    In some areas the health system is well pass being overloaded.

    That's where zinc as a dietary supplement comes in.
    Zinc picolante has the best absorbtion rate, and is inexpensive.
    Can be found almost everywhere, including online.

    The bad thing is that will prevent an honest post-problem evaluation >RL>from happening so that we can put plans in place to mitigate future >RL>pandemics.

    We had exactly such a planning group, installed by the Obama
    administration. However, since it was an Obama thing -- Trump killed
    it.

    Time to self-medicate. Hospitals all filled up. Not enough
    ventilators. Not even enough test kits to know who is or is not
    infected.

    I take it as reality smacking us hard to teach us a lesson. With any >RL>luck, we will learn something from this and be better next time.

    See above.

    Well, we can only die once.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gregory Deyss on Wednesday, April 01, 2020 03:31:17
    Hello Greg,

    Ah, the racist is back.

    Back? what makes you believe that? The fact that I call a spade a spade.
    Why do you have a problem with me calling the first black President a moron. >(the worst President in American History) There are other words that I could >call him but those words would be considered as racist, I am not so I >wouldn't use those. I voted for him the first time around, so you're wrong >again but that is nothing new.

    Barack Obama was half-white and half-black, just like Captain
    James T. Kirk in one episode of Star Trek. Some folks liked the
    white version more than the black version. Others liked the black
    version more than the white version. But neither Barack Obama nor
    James T. Kirk liked the combined version, each choosing to ditch
    one side for the other. So, who is the real racist?

    DC> GD> DC> Does it hurt to be this stupid?
    DC> GD>
    DC> GD> This is a liberal tactic to call what you understand as stupid,
    or
    DC> GD> perhaps you think you understand and like to consider yourself more
    DC> GD> educated to discredit another point of view.
    DC>
    DC> When someone says something stupid, over and over again,
    DC> and they refuse to be corrected, over and over again, then
    DC> either they're willfully ignorant, or stupid. Really,
    DC> that's a distinction without a difference.

    Wrong because why, because you said so?

    A heavyweight boxer does not have to be smart to pack a mighty punch.

    DC> GD> I do not think Ron is stupid or uneducated, he is more spot on then y
    DC> GD> realize but then again he probably does not watch CNN or
    PMS-NBC.
    DC> GD> (of which is why his mind is not mush)
    DC>
    DC> He's a liar, as are you. Seriously, why do you guys hate
    DC> America so much? Why the rejection of science? Why the
    DC> adulation of the orange wannabe in the White House?

    Our actions are far from hating America. You continue to have it backwards.

    Just because many are deluded does not equate to meaning they hate
    America. Even Trump himself loves America, deluded as he is.

    DC>
    DC> GD> The left portrays themselves as arrogant, but what it is really
    is
    DC> GD> ignorance.
    DC>
    DC> Go ahead; tell me where I'm wrong. Be specific. I'll
    DC> wait.

    Let's compare what the community organizer did while H1N1 happened.

    List of accomplishments -

    Aside from keeping America safe, too many to name.

    Did not declare it National Emergency - until 10 mo
    Did not shut down the borders.
    Did not put forth a travel ban.
    Many people died when they did not need to, if these provisions were used it
    would of saved lives.

    SARS was in 2009, and MERS later. SARS is 85% similar to what
    the coronavirus (COVID-19) is. Why did Big Pharma refuse to work
    towards finding a vaccine in 2009? Several coronaviruses have
    since emerged, including the present coronavirus that causes
    COVID-19. Fortunately, the Obama administration (with help from
    the rest of the world) was able to contain the SARS epidemic, as
    well as MERS. However, the Trump administration chose to treat
    the current coronavirus as a joke, and never took the threat
    seriously, until it became epidemic here in the USA.

    Lets compare what the Business Man has done while COVID-19

    He has done nothing, until too late.

    When it was discovered that one American Citizen had covid-19
    Did install a travel ban from China, which saved lives.
    Did install a second ban from Europe, which continued to save lives.
    Has the best advisors, Doctors, and medical professionals providing the best
    information.

    And yet Trump insists all is well and wants to re-open the economy
    thus allowing the coronavirus to run wild and unchecked until every
    man, woman and child in the USA has been infected or dead.

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    Gregory
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    DC> Seriously, though; how are you not embarrassed by this
    DC> stupid little graphic?

    I am glad you "enjoy" it so much.
    My BBS is Capital Station BBS - Capital Station meaning having to do with >trains, so it makes perfect sense. Would it annoy you less if the third box >said something else?
    You're only one, in fidonet who has a problem with this, as of this
    moment.

    Trains. The perfect vehicle to transport folks so those who are
    infected can infect others, while always staying within the borders
    of the USA. With Governor Cuomo in charge of the state, and Mayor
    de Blasio in charge of NYC, there may not be any more safe places
    left.

    --Lee

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Lee Lofaso on Wednesday, April 01, 2020 00:00:14
    On 01 Apr 2020, Lee Lofaso said the following...

    Hello Greg,

    Barack Obama was half-white and half-black,

    He never did refer did refer to himself as half black and half white.
    I do not care that he associated himself as a black man. To me he was a candidate that I voted for the first time he ran for office of the Presidency. I voted for him not because he was a black man but because I thought he do a good job, based what I was hearing from him and about him. I did not vote for him during his second term, as I did not see the hope and change within the first 4 years. It had nothing to do with the color of his skin.

    Wrong because why, because you said so?
    A heavyweight boxer does not have to be smart to pack a mighty punch.

    That might be true, I wouldn't refer to Dan as a heavyweight, more like a featherlight class.

    SARS was in 2009, and MERS later. SARS is 85% similar to what
    the coronavirus (COVID-19) is. Why did Big Pharma refuse to work
    towards finding a vaccine in 2009? Several coronaviruses have
    since emerged, including the present coronavirus that causes
    COVID-19. Fortunately, the Obama administration (with help from
    the rest of the world) was able to contain the SARS epidemic, as
    well as MERS. However, the Trump administration chose to treat
    the current coronavirus as a joke, and never took the threat
    seriously, until it became epidemic here in the USA.

    I was not talking about SARS, but that is another good example where Obama failed as well. I was talking about H1N1 or as Biden would say the N1H1...

    LL> >Lets compare what the Business Man has done while COVID-19
    He has done nothing, until too late.

    Upon the first American to infected. What did the President did was locked
    down travel from China, then later to Europe.

    What were the Democrats doing this time? They were Impeaching the President.

    And yet Trump insists all is well and wants to re-open the economy
    thus allowing the coronavirus to run wild and unchecked until every
    man, woman and child in the USA has been infected or dead.

    Wrong. There parts of the U.S. where the COVID-19 is under control and yet other places where a lot more caution is deemed necessary such NYC and Washington State.

    Trains. The perfect vehicle to transport folks so those who are
    infected can infect others, while always staying within the borders
    of the USA. With Governor Cuomo in charge of the state, and Mayor
    de Blasio in charge of NYC, there may not be any more safe places
    left.

    Non-Sense - there are more than enough seats to practice social distancing.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Wednesday, April 01, 2020 03:02:06
    On 03-31-20 08:03, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dan Cross about Re: Pandemic <=-

    Back? what makes you believe that? The fact that I call a spade a
    spade. Why do you have a problem with me calling the first black President a moron. (the worst President in American History) There are

    He certainly was neither of those things. Polls easily rank him in the
    top 20 if not the top 10 -- while rating Trump in the bottom five or
    even worse.

    Lets compare what the Business Man has done while COVID-19
    When it was discovered that one American Citizen had covid-19
    Did install a travel ban from China, which saved lives.

    And also declared that since he was doing such an excellent job, it
    would all be over in a few weeks.

    Did install a second ban from Europe, which continued to save lives.
    Has the best advisors, Doctors, and medical professionals providing
    the best information.

    Which until the last week or two, he has ignored. Example -- He
    recently said, "we can stop social distancing and go back to work by mid
    April and crowd churches for Easter Sunday". Look how that turned out.

    Almost 900 people died today (March 31), more than 4000 so far. And yet
    he still has not done what needs to be done to slow the upward graph of
    deaths, e.g. mandated social distancing and stay at home. In his news conferences he talks about how many masks and ventilators have been
    made, but the hospitals in critical need have not gotten them. The
    military has thousands they could distribute but no one has given
    directions as to where they should go (Should be HHS job or FEMA job).

    Trump is finally talking the good talk, but judge him by what he gets
    done and not what he says.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:267/150 to Dan Cross on Wednesday, April 01, 2020 12:48:59
    The cognitive dissonance is so strong that they just
    cannot see how incompetent he is. What happened to

    Incompetent at what? Being an epidemic expert?

    How would liberals react if Trump completely closed down the country, took power away from governors, and mandated that all citizens remain on their own property until a solution to the virus could be found? Will that make liberals happy, or will they complain that "the president is over-reacting?"

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:267/150 to mark lewis on Wednesday, April 01, 2020 13:12:05
    the ones going around shouting about "liberals" and "lefties" *are* the right-wingers... yourself included... if you weren't, you'd be carrying

    It's unproductive to be too "far" on either side, but it's also unproductive
    to be pessimistic or to have a sour attitude towards a man just because of
    his downstate accent or because of how many chicks he's nailed.

    What makes me far-right? I love Trump's policies - I'm a huge supporter
    - but that doesn't mean I support ALL of his policies from a to z or that I support everything other republicans do from a to z. In my opinion, this is
    why it's unfair to call me "the far right."

    I'll call you a liberal because you dislike Trump so much; it's a clear sign that you fit in the liberal category. However, I won't call you "far-left" until I see you protesting in the streets demanding that the nation convert
    to vegan.

    The media, though, is totally the far-left. Like Lee said, ABC News cuts Trump's daily briefings off because they want to try to trick people into thinking the briefings are politically motivated - you ever heard the expression "those who accuse others are guilty themselves?"

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:267/150 to Ron Lauzon on Wednesday, April 01, 2020 13:36:24
    Because the Narrative is "we are good, everyone else is bad" and the Narrative is always true - no matter what the facts are.

    I think CNN was covering a story on koalah bear cubs while senate dems were asking for the removal of wind-turbines in the coronavirus bill.

    Then later in the day they had a headline that read "the president's stalled coronavirus bill finally gets signed into law" like it was the president's fault.

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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to Aaron Thomas on Wednesday, April 01, 2020 12:18:00
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Dan Cross <=-

    I don't know where you're from, but I don't see these "right-wingers" anywhere.

    Keep in mind that Dan is in the far left. He thinks he's middle, but he's not even close. So anyone who isn't left is "far right" to him.

    Everyone except the liberal media is thrilled with the
    economy (before the virus.) The only thing democrats don't like about
    the strong economy is that there's a Republican who helped ignite it.

    Sort of. The Democrats have been creating "urban plantations" for a while now.
    Areas where people are dependant on their hand outs, so they always vote for them.

    A good economy also provides them less power: since they can't pick the winners and losers anymore (and, therefore, can't get their bribes).

    Why hate? Why choose sides over generalizations? If a democrat did anything to help the USA instead of his or herself, I'd give them
    credit for it. Why are democrats and/or liberals so reluctant to do the same for republicans?

    Because the Narrative is "we are good, everyone else is bad" and the Narrative is always true - no matter what the facts are.

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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to Gregory Deyss on Wednesday, April 01, 2020 12:23:00
    Gregory Deyss wrote to Dan Cross <=-

    This is a liberal tactic to call what you understand as stupid, or
    perhaps you think you understand and like to consider yourself more educated to discredit another point of view.

    One of the things that I have noticed is how many people think they are better than everyone else. And if we'd only let them control our lives, then Utopia would ensue.

    We've seen too many dictators with the same idea and they all failed in the exactly the same way. Of course, I was in school before the Left ruined them and revised history.

    I do not think Ron is stupid or uneducated, he is more spot on then you realize but then again he probably does not watch CNN or PMS-NBC.
    (of which is why his mind is not mush)

    Thank you.

    The left portrays themselves as arrogant, but what it is really is ignorance.

    The Democrats are not the "party of the people or working class". They have become the party of the elites. They seem to think that they know what's best for everyone and if you don't accept that idea then you must be "stupid".

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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to Dan Cross on Wednesday, April 01, 2020 12:29:00
    Dan Cross wrote to Gregory Deyss <=-

    When someone says something stupid, over and over again,
    and they refuse to be corrected, over and over again, then
    either they're willfully ignorant, or stupid. Really,
    that's a distinction without a difference.

    Curb your elitism.

    You presume to be more intelligent than me. You have not shown that. And every time you use the term "stupid" and "liar", you are simply proving that you aren't nearly intelligent as you think you are.

    He's a liar, as are you. Seriously, why do you guys hate
    America so much? Why the rejection of science? Why the
    adulation of the orange wannabe in the White House?

    We love America. That's why we don't want the Lefties remaking it in their image. Every country that has tried that has failed horribly - for exactly the same reasons.

    Gloming on to the one "scientific" paper that proves your point, while ignoring the hundres that disprove your point is not "science". Pointing this out is not "ignoreing" science either.

    And we don't adore Trump. Many of us have issues with what he's doing. But we've seen the alternatives and he's way better - as he's proven.

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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to Gregory Deyss on Wednesday, April 01, 2020 12:35:00
    Gregory Deyss wrote to Dan Cross <=-

    Our actions are far from hating America. You continue to have it backwards.

    You know, reading that made me think of the book "1984" by Orwell.

    "War is peace.
    Freedom is slavery.
    Ignorance is strength."

    It's a scary thought that we might be living "1984" right now.


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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Thursday, April 02, 2020 02:04:00
    On 04-01-20 00:00, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Lee Lofaso about Re: Pandemic <=-

    And yet Trump insists all is well and wants to re-open the economy
    thus allowing the coronavirus to run wild and unchecked until every
    man, woman and child in the USA has been infected or dead.

    Wrong. There parts of the U.S. where the COVID-19 is under control and
    yet other places where a lot more caution is deemed necessary such NYC
    and Washington State.

    Really -- where is it under control?

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Thursday, April 02, 2020 07:50:51
    On 02 Apr 2020, Dale Shipp said the following...

    On 04-01-20 00:00, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Lee Lofaso about Re: Pandemic <=-

    And yet Trump insists all is well and wants to re-open the economy thus allowing the coronavirus to run wild and unchecked until every man, woman and child in the USA has been infected or dead.

    Wrong. There parts of the U.S. where the COVID-19 is under control an yet other places where a lot more caution is deemed necessary such NY and Washington State.

    Really -- where is it under control?

    There are counties within states that have no COVID-19.
    I remain that confident that we will get through this.

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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to Aaron Thomas on Friday, April 03, 2020 07:14:35
    On 31 Mar 2020 at 06:55p, Aaron Thomas pondered and said...

    According to Rush Limbaugh, who you've admitted you
    listen to, it's just the common cold. So what's the
    big deal?

    Rush Limbaugh is an entertainer; why not check him out once in a while? He's not always right, and not all conservatives are following his
    advice. Rush's commentary is as good as mine.

    Why would I? His "entertainment" is at best puerile and
    immature. At worst, he's actively harmful by spreading
    misinformation.

    But right-wingers can't understand that, because they lack

    I don't know where you're from, but I don't see these "right-wingers" anywhere. Everyone except the liberal media is thrilled with the economy (before the virus.) The only thing democrats don't like about the strong economy is that there's a Republican who helped ignite it.

    I know a lot of economists. They universally agree that
    we are headed for a long recession, if not depression.
    Further, the acuity of unemployment claims underlies the
    truth about Trump's numbers: they were illusory. Under-employed,
    low-wage service sector jobs cut down on the rate, but
    weren't indicators of economic strength or security.
    A 2% growth rate was hardly "booming".

    Further, it baffles me that you right-wing types still
    talk about "before the virus" like that's a thing. Had
    Trump taken the virus seriously instead of golfing or
    holding rallies, perhaps we could have staved off the
    worse of the economic damage. But he didn't.

    Why hate? Why choose sides over generalizations? If a democrat did anything to help the USA instead of his or herself, I'd give them credit for it. Why are democrats and/or liberals so reluctant to do the same
    for republicans?

    They're not. They just see the truth.

    My metric is this: there are objective indicators of
    fact in this world; things that are measurable in
    scientifically and statistically sound ways. When one
    party aligns most closely with those things most often
    and the other does the opposite, I tend to believe the
    ones who align with fact over those who align with
    "alternative fact."

    The Republicans and the right-wing live in a fantasy
    world built on lies. But reality doesn't care about
    your belief system; reality just is.

    Again, we see reality sweeping away the facade of the
    right-wing lie factory.

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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to Aaron Thomas on Friday, April 03, 2020 07:17:03
    On 01 Apr 2020 at 12:48p, Aaron Thomas pondered and said...

    The cognitive dissonance is so strong that they just
    cannot see how incompetent he is. What happened to

    Incompetent at what? Being an epidemic expert?

    Umm...more like incompetent at everything he tries.

    How would liberals react if Trump completely closed down the country,
    took power away from governors, and mandated that all citizens remain on their own property until a solution to the virus could be found? Will
    that make liberals happy, or will they complain that "the president is over-reacting?"

    IF it were done in accordance to a data-driven
    policy recommendation backed by actual experts, I
    imagine most would accept it as the inevitable
    response to an out-of-control pandemic that was
    allowed to gain a foothold in the first place
    because it wasn't taken seriously by government.

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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to Ron Lauzon on Friday, April 03, 2020 07:20:01
    On 01 Apr 2020 at 12:29p, Ron Lauzon pondered and said...

    Dan Cross wrote to Gregory Deyss <=-

    When someone says something stupid, over and over again,
    and they refuse to be corrected, over and over again, then
    either they're willfully ignorant, or stupid. Really,
    that's a distinction without a difference.

    Curb your elitism.

    You presume to be more intelligent than me. You have not shown that.
    And every time you use the term "stupid" and "liar", you are simply proving that you aren't nearly intelligent as you think you are.

    Oh, ok snowflake. Need a safe space from the big bad
    left-leaning liberal meanie on Fidonet?

    You buy into a fantasy world of lies spun for you by
    objectively incompetent idiots. What more evidence
    do I need that you are willfully ignorant?

    He's a liar, as are you. Seriously, why do you guys hate
    America so much? Why the rejection of science? Why the
    adulation of the orange wannabe in the White House?

    We love America. That's why we don't want the Lefties remaking it in their image. Every country that has tried that has failed horribly -
    for exactly the same reasons.

    You hate America. You can't stand its freedoms nor
    that it is a society FOR the people and BY the people.
    Those people are starting to not be like YOU anymore,
    and it scares you. But instead of embracing change
    and trying to weave a new American tapestry, you'd
    rather set it on fire. Pathetic.

    Oh, and have you ever been to Europe? Denmark is pretty
    nice, you know.

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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to Ron Lauzon on Friday, April 03, 2020 07:21:46
    On 01 Apr 2020 at 12:29p, Ron Lauzon pondered and said...

    Gloming on to the one "scientific" paper that proves your point, while ignoring the hundres that disprove your point is not "science".
    Pointing this out is not "ignoreing" science either.

    Haha yeah; that's not what's happening. If you had any
    scientific literacy you'd understand that. But that's
    a red state education for ya'.

    And we don't adore Trump. Many of us have issues with what he's doing. But we've seen the alternatives and he's way better - as he's proven.

    "One day -- like a miracle --- it'll disappear."

    Yah, he's proven what he is, all right. And that's an
    utter failure.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dan Cross on Thursday, April 02, 2020 19:42:11
    On 03 Apr 2020, Dan Cross said the following...

    On 31 Mar 2020 at 06:55p, Aaron Thomas pondered and said...

    According to Rush Limbaugh, who you've admitted you
    listen to, it's just the common cold. So what's the
    big deal?

    Rush Limbaugh is an entertainer; why not check him out once in a whil He's not always right, and not all conservatives are following his advice. Rush's commentary is as good as mine.

    Why would I? His "entertainment" is at best puerile and
    immature. At worst, he's actively harmful by spreading
    misinformation.

    Entertainment?
    Entertain this...
    He has donated $3 Million dollars to Tunnel to Towers Foundation.
    with the sale of his Betsy Ross T-Shirts 100% of the proceeds going to the Tunnel to Towers Foundation.
    He has earned his Presidential Metal of Freedom.

    What have you done, next to nothing?

    Again, we see reality sweeping away the facade of the
    right-wing lie factory.

    Keep Sweeping, and missing your target.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:267/150 to Dan Cross on Friday, April 03, 2020 01:18:17
    "One day -- like a miracle --- it'll disappear."

    Optimism is a good quality.

    Yah, he's proven what he is, all right. And that's an
    utter failure.

    Pessimism is what drives failure.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:267/150 to Dan Cross on Friday, April 03, 2020 01:16:22
    Incompetent at what? Being an epidemic expert?

    Umm...more like incompetent at everything he tries.

    Uh... nice generalization.

    their own property until a solution to the virus could be found? Will that make liberals happy, or will they complain that "the president i over-reacting?"

    IF it were done in accordance to a data-driven
    policy recommendation backed by actual experts, I

    Too technical! How much science does it really take? No human on the earth is an epidemic expert. What's the final word on all that "policy recommendation backed by actual experts?" You think people who want foodstamps for nuthin'
    and their liquor for free care about "policy recommendation backed by actual experts?"

    You're going nowhere with your excuse for having Trump Derangement Syndrome. You've got it as bad as Nancy Pelosi - please tell me you're not a
    member of congress?

    Xanax my brother - it will help you.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Friday, April 03, 2020 01:41:00
    On 04-02-20 07:50, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Pandemic <=-

    Wrong. There parts of the U.S. where the COVID-19
    is under control an
    yet other places where a lot more caution is
    deemed necessary such NY
    and Washington State.

    Really -- where is it under control?

    There are counties within states that have no COVID-19.

    And what about the counties around them? The fact that they do not yet
    have verified infections of covid-19 does not mean that they will not
    get them, or that they may not already have untested infections. It
    will not be under control anywhere until it is under control everywhere.

    It cannot be said that it is under control until after the infection has
    hit, and then beaten.

    I remain that confident that we will get through this.

    Of course we will get through this -- but at a high cost, both in human
    life and economically. The cost would have been less if we, as a
    nation, had acted sooner -- but we did not and are now paying the price.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Friday, April 03, 2020 08:29:18

    On 03 Apr 2020, Dale Shipp said the following...

    On 04-02-20 07:50, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Pandemic <=-

    Wrong. There parts of the U.S. where the COVID-19
    is under control an
    yet other places where a lot more caution is
    deemed necessary such NY
    and Washington State.

    Really -- where is it under control?

    There are counties within states that have no COVID-19.

    And what about the counties around them? The fact that they do not yet have verified infections of covid-19 does not mean that they will not
    get them, or that they may not already have untested infections. It
    will not be under control anywhere until it is under control everywhere.

    It cannot be said that it is under control until after the infection has hit, and then beaten.

    If the virus does not yet exist within a particular county and people stay
    home then it is probable that will never exist there and hence control will
    be maintained.
    Optimism and positivism instead of the opposite.

    DS> GD> I remain that confident that we will get
    through this. DS>

    Of course we will get through this -- but at a high cost, both in human life and economically. The cost would have been less if we, as a
    nation, had acted sooner -- but we did not and are now paying the price.

    January is when he acted with the travel ban, what where the Democrats doing this time, they were trying to still impeach the President during this time.

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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to Aaron Thomas on Friday, April 03, 2020 11:56:00
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-

    I think CNN was covering a story on koalah bear cubs while senate dems were asking for the removal of wind-turbines in the coronavirus bill.

    Then later in the day they had a headline that read "the president's stalled coronavirus bill finally gets signed into law" like it was the president's fault.

    And some people wonder why CNN ratings are poor (and still falling).

    I've given up on the "news". We don't have news anymore.

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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to Dan Cross on Friday, April 03, 2020 12:03:00
    Dan Cross wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-

    Oh, ok snowflake. Need a safe space from the big bad
    left-leaning liberal meanie on Fidonet?

    Well, at least it wasn't "OK, Boomer".

    You buy into a fantasy world of lies spun for you by
    objectively incompetent idiots. What more evidence
    do I need that you are willfully ignorant?

    So... I refuse to participate in your delusion and that makes me "willfully ignorant". Right...

    I think that Trump Derangement Syndrome is a bigger problem than COVID-19.

    You hate America. You can't stand its freedoms nor
    that it is a society FOR the people and BY the people.
    Those people are starting to not be like YOU anymore,
    and it scares you. But instead of embracing change
    and trying to weave a new American tapestry, you'd
    rather set it on fire. Pathetic.

    Where's the argument? Stating your beliefs over and over again doesn't make them true.

    Oh, and have you ever been to Europe? Denmark is pretty
    nice, you know.

    Yes, it is. I'd like to visit some day (when the EU is dead and buried).

    As for living there, no thanks. I don't like having 50% of my paycheck taken away plus a 25% sales tax.

    You are aware that Denmark has a capitalist economy right? That's how they fund their welfare state. If you don't believe that, you might want to check out what the president of Denmark said on this topic.


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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to Gregory Deyss on Friday, April 03, 2020 12:08:00
    Gregory Deyss wrote to Dan Cross <=-

    What have you done, next to nothing?

    That's one of the common things with Lefties: They do nothing.
    They can't create jobs. Most of them can't even do useful jobs. That's why they hate the idea of meritocracy so much.

    They are good at talking, and "protesting" (i.e. holding signs and shouting vapid slogans).

    Personally, I haven't seen a Leftie who's good at much more than generating CO2 for the plants. Oh, wait! CO2 is a greenhouse gas. They are part of the climate change problem!


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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to Gregory Deyss on Friday, April 03, 2020 12:15:00
    Gregory Deyss wrote to Dale Shipp <=-

    January is when he acted with the travel ban, what where the Democrats doing this time, they were trying to still impeach the President during this time.

    And one thing that I keep not hearing is "Obama handled the 2009 H1N1 pandemic so much better."

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  • From Ryan Fantus@1:218/820 to Ron Lauzon on Friday, April 03, 2020 11:56:28
    That's one of the common things with Lefties: They do nothing.
    They can't create jobs. Most of them can't even do useful jobs. That's why they hate the idea of meritocracy so much.

    Is this informed by data or statistics or is this just a lazy generalization? No need to answer, it's a rhetorical questions.

    Personally, I haven't seen a Leftie who's good at much more than generating CO2 for the plants. Oh, wait! CO2 is a greenhouse gas.
    They are part of the climate change problem!

    From the various entertainment industries creating the media you likely consume, to the liberal hardward and software companies making tech products you likely use on a daily basis, yeah, I guess lefties really don't generate anything.

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  • From Ryan Fantus@1:218/820 to Ron Lauzon on Friday, April 03, 2020 11:57:57
    And one thing that I keep not hearing is "Obama handled the 2009 H1N1 pandemic so much better."

    Eh, we learned a lot from the 2009 H1N1 issue, and created a playbook on pandemics and infectious disease that was given to (and ignored by) the
    current administration completely.

    Anyway, whataboutism is the absolute laziest way to defend a position. It
    lends no credibility to whatever argument you're trying to make.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Ron Lauzon on Friday, April 03, 2020 15:28:07
    January is when he acted with the travel ban, what where the Democrat doing this time, they were trying to still impeach the President duri this time.

    And one thing that I keep not hearing is "Obama handled the 2009 H1N1 pandemic so much better."

    The fool indicating a National Epidemic in October of that year and yet no travel ban to slow the spread w/ people from other countries infecting Americans.

    Perhaps he should of stayed a community organizer, and shouldn't have ran for office of the Presidency, those American's who died would still be alive
    today.

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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to Gregory Deyss on Saturday, April 04, 2020 03:17:44
    On 02 Apr 2020 at 07:42p, Gregory Deyss pondered and said...

    Entertainment?

    Aaron's word, no?

    Entertain this...

    Ok, Racist.

    He has donated $3 Million dollars to Tunnel to Towers Foundation.
    with the sale of his Betsy Ross T-Shirts 100% of the proceeds going to the Tunnel to Towers Foundation.

    Ok, boomer. The Clinton foundation has given that many
    times over to charities, but how do you feel about Hillary?
    No wait; don't answer that. I already know and I don't
    care how you feel about her.

    He has earned his Presidential Metal of Freedom.


    If you think that's all it takes to earn the presidential
    medal of freedom (not metal), then you're even more deluded
    than I suspected. He's an actively harmful parasite.

    What have you done, next to nothing?

    Pretty sure I didn't see your dumb ass when I was leading
    Marines in Afghanistan. But what have you done?

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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to Aaron Thomas on Saturday, April 04, 2020 03:22:55
    On 03 Apr 2020 at 01:09a, Aaron Thomas pondered and said...

    Trump taken the virus seriously instead of golfing or
    holding rallies, perhaps we could have staved off the

    Trump isn't god. He's doing a job to the best of his ability. Have you noticed that no national leader in the world "staved it off?"

    South Korea, Singapore, hell even China have don't a better
    job than we have.

    We have the highest number of cases in the world and the third
    highest number of deaths. We are failing miserably.

    Have you noticed that Nancy Pelosi cares more about trying to make the president look bad then she does about any sort of legislation?

    Riiiight. How many bills has the house passed that Mitch McConnell
    has refused to bring to a vote on the senate floor? But by all
    means, blame Pelosi.

    Let's create a committee to investigate Trump's handling of the coronavirus instead of doing jack about the coronavirus. Do I sound like one of your heroes now?

    Absolutely he needs oversight. If you're so stupid as to believe
    that handing Donald Trump a check for two _trillion_ dollars with
    no oversight is a good idea, then of course you don't understand constitutionally mandated checks and balances.

    My heroes?

    You guys are so ridiculously unintelligent. You think that because
    I think Trump is a disaster I'm a Democrat, is that it? Haha.
    Your poverty of imagination is amazing, and while it was cute for
    the past three years, now it's just dangerous. You really do think
    that your underinformed opinion is just as good as someone's actual
    expertise?

    You ignorant fools should really step aside and let the professionals,
    experts and adults handle the current emergency.

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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to Aaron Thomas on Saturday, April 04, 2020 03:27:21
    On 03 Apr 2020 at 01:16a, Aaron Thomas pondered and said...

    Incompetent at what? Being an epidemic expert?

    Umm...more like incompetent at everything he tries.

    Uh... nice generalization.

    Backed by evidence. So sorry you can't handle that truth.

    their own property until a solution to the virus could be found? that make liberals happy, or will they complain that "the presid over-reacting?"

    IF it were done in accordance to a data-driven
    policy recommendation backed by actual experts, I

    Too technical! How much science does it really take? No human on the
    earth is an epidemic expert. What's the final word on all that "policy recommendation backed by actual experts?" You think people who want foodstamps for nuthin' and their liquor for free care about "policy recommendation backed by actual experts?"

    See, here's where you idiots go off the rails. Yes, there
    actually _are_ experts in this world, and what they say
    really does matter more than your uninformed opinion. What
    are YOUR academic qualifications?

    As for foodstamps and liquor...Again, your ignorance is
    astounding. Rates of chronic substance abuse and government
    assistance have been shown, time and again, to be MUCH higher
    in "conservative" populations than not. Just like rates of
    teen pregnancy are higher in areas where "abstinence-only"
    is used in place of sex education.

    Why don't you guys clean up your own yard before you start
    pointing at other people?

    I know why. Because you're scared of people who know more
    than you do, and resent the hell out of them. So you project
    onto the "left".

    Pathetic.

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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to Aaron Thomas on Saturday, April 04, 2020 03:28:59
    On 03 Apr 2020 at 01:18a, Aaron Thomas pondered and said...

    "One day -- like a miracle --- it'll disappear."

    Optimism is a good quality.

    That's one of the dumbest things I've read today.
    You don't pray away a pandemic.

    Sure, optimism is good. But it's even better to
    be pragmatic and realistic in an emergency.

    Yah, he's proven what he is, all right. And that's an
    utter failure.

    Pessimism is what drives failure.

    No, sticking your head in the sand and pretending
    it's no big deal drives failure.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:267/150 to Ron Lauzon on Saturday, April 04, 2020 00:23:29
    I've given up on the "news". We don't have news anymore.

    Fox & New York Post are cool.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:267/150 to Dan Cross on Saturday, April 04, 2020 00:40:13
    South Korea, Singapore, hell even China have don't a better
    job than we have.

    We're a very liberal nation.

    Riiiight. How many bills has the house passed that Mitch McConnell
    has refused to bring to a vote on the senate floor? But by all
    means, blame Pelosi.

    Ok, Nancy gets a pass. But dems in the senate tried to get windmills reduced in response to the coronavirus. They held all the middle-class families and thousands of businesses as hostages while they tried to fight carbon
    emissions. We think that crap is adorable - just not right now thank you.

    Absolutely he needs oversight. If you're so stupid as to believe
    that handing Donald Trump a check for two _trillion_ dollars with

    There should have been more oversight when Obama & his goons signed the Iran Nuclear Deal. Are we still feeling like it was money well spent?

    But Trump's not asking for money for Iran - he's asking on behalf of the American people & American businesses. That seems to irritate the hell out of Nancy Pelosi, who is unable to grasp the concept of selflessness.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:267/150 to Dan Cross on Saturday, April 04, 2020 00:58:08
    Incompetent at what? Being an epidemic expert?

    Umm...more like incompetent at everything he tries.

    Uh... nice generalization.

    Backed by evidence. So sorry you can't handle that truth.

    What truth? You still haven't said jack.

    See, here's where you idiots go off the rails. Yes, there
    actually _are_ experts in this world, and what they say

    You tried to elect that epidemic expert named Hillary Clinton, but you
    failed. Now the whole country is suffering because Trump's nowhere near the epidemic expert that Hillary Clinton is. I think she had a dual major at the University.

    really does matter more than your uninformed opinion. What
    are YOUR academic qualifications?

    I'm not an epidemic expert either, but I think I might have a case of
    Anderson Cooper Derangement Syndrome. Don't worry Dan, nobody in this echo is nearly as epidemic expert as you. Tell us how to survive and we'll listen to you since the liberal media won't let us hear what the president has to say.

    astounding. Rates of chronic substance abuse and government
    assistance have been shown, time and again, to be MUCH higher

    Have been shown by who? You're as vague as Hillary Clinton in a debate. A recent poll conducted by Anderson Cooper? Recent studies from the University
    of liberal politics? How recent? how much higher? what does time and time
    again mean? How much does MUCH mean when it's capitalized?

    I know why. Because you're scared of people who know more
    than you do, and resent the hell out of them. So you project
    onto the "left".

    I haven't met the Republican who blames Trump for coronavirus yet. Would that be you? A republican who don't like Mitch McConnell, hates Trump, but loves Nancy Pelosi? Am I speaking with Mitt Romney?

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:267/150 to Dan Cross on Saturday, April 04, 2020 01:01:37
    Optimism is a good quality.

    That's one of the dumbest things I've read today.

    Sorry to hear that!

    You don't pray away a pandemic.

    I do - but luckily my president, vice president, and senate are my backup.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Saturday, April 04, 2020 01:06:00
    On 04-03-20 08:29, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Pandemic <=-

    There are counties within states that have no COVID-19.

    And what about the counties around them? The fact that they do not yet have verified infections of covid-19 does not mean that they will not
    get them, or that they may not already have untested infections. It
    will not be under control anywhere until it is under control everywhere.

    It cannot be said that it is under control until after the infection has hit, and then beaten.

    If the virus does not yet exist within a particular county and people
    stay home then it is probable that will never exist there and hence control will be maintained.
    Optimism and positivism instead of the opposite.

    And tell us just how such counties prevent infection from those outside
    their county who come into -- to deliver goods, to visit or whatever?
    Do they put up a wall and live in total isolation until it is all over?

    However, your suggestion that they stay home is exactly correct. That
    is how the effects of this virus can be at least slowed down.

    I remain that confident that we will get through this.

    Of course we will get through this -- but at a high cost, both in human life and economically. The cost would have been less if we, as a
    nation, had acted sooner -- but we did not and are now paying the price.

    January is when he acted with the travel ban, what where the Democrats doing this time, they were trying to still impeach the President during this time.

    Your point is? Trump was playing golf. He did shut down travel from
    China of foreign nationals on Jan 31, but the virus was already in the
    USA. On Feb 24, he declared that the virus was very much under control
    -- a complete lie. Throughout March, his approach to combating the
    virus was implementing travel bans and restrictions. While those may
    have prevented some infections from foreign sources, they did nothing to
    slow down the growth of infection rate from the cases already in the
    USA.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Aaron Thomas on Saturday, April 04, 2020 02:01:23
    On 04 Apr 20 00:23:29, Aaron Thomas said the following to Ron Lauzon:

    I've given up on the "news". We don't have news anymore.

    Fox & New York Post are cool.

    I want to like Fox News... I really do. The tabloid format and website layout are appealing to me like the Daily Mail UK or the Toronto Sun. Give me my
    news presented by a smokin-hot reporter with a nice rack. A bit of flash and pizzaz is fine with me. Tabloid formats makes bad news good, good news bad.

    But what stops me from being a true fan is the clickbaity-way Fox News runs stories. Its hard to take them seriously when I see "One weird trick" or
    "Mom's hack does WHAT?". The die-hard Fox fans that take clickbait seriously end up becoming the unfortunate stereotypes liberals like to make examples of.

    I want to cricitise and slam the liberal media like CNN, CBC, MSNBC etc. but its hard for me to do that when Fox and some others play the same clickbaity nonsense for ratings and subscribers as they do.

    If Fox would tone it down a bit, maybe try toning down some of the pro-Trump clickbait (as its getting a bit cartoonish) it would be a bit more appealing especially to conservatives who may not necessarily be Trump fans. Keep the cute reporters and tabloid style. Just tone down the clickbait crap and superheroish way that Trump is presented.

    Nick

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  • From Gerhard Strangar@2:240/2188.575 to Aaron Thomas on Saturday, April 04, 2020 09:57:43
    Am 04 Apr 20 00:40:13 schrob Aaron Thomas an Dan Cross zum Thema
    <Re: Biggest Crash Ever!>

    We're a very liberal nation.

    Try to practice your constitutional right of peaceful assembly at the moment.



    Tschoe mit Oe
    Gerhard
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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12 to Aaron Thomas on Saturday, April 04, 2020 07:09:38
    Re: Re: Biggest Crash Ever!
    By: Aaron Thomas to Dan Cross on Sat Apr 04 2020 00:40:13


    South Korea, Singapore, hell even China have don't a better
    job than we have.

    We're a very liberal nation.

    the US is a hell of a lot more conservative than it was 30+ years ago...


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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to Gregory Deyss on Sunday, April 05, 2020 05:51:22
    On 03 Apr 2020 at 08:29a, Gregory Deyss pondered and said...

    If the virus does not yet exist within a particular county and people
    stay home then it is probable that will never exist there and hence control will be maintained.

    That's just not how it works, and it's obvious that you
    are too ignorant to understand the distinction.

    Optimism and positivism instead of the opposite.

    "Hope is not a strategy."

    January is when he acted with the travel ban, what where the Democrats doing this time, they were trying to still impeach the President during this time.

    Trump himself has said the impeachment was not a factor.
    The "travel" ban was just for Chinese nationals, not
    everyone coming in from China. Since the virus isn't
    racist, it was a less-than-half measure that was totally
    ineffective.

    Whatever time Trump _could_ have bought us with travel
    restrictions, he frittered away golfing and holding his
    absurd rallies, where he downplayed the threat every
    chance he got.

    You, specifically, and more generally all of you
    right-wingers are murderous liars.

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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to Ron Lauzon on Sunday, April 05, 2020 06:00:39
    On 03 Apr 2020 at 12:03p, Ron Lauzon pondered and said...

    Dan Cross wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-

    Oh, ok snowflake. Need a safe space from the big bad
    left-leaning liberal meanie on Fidonet?

    Well, at least it wasn't "OK, Boomer".

    Ok, Boomer.

    You buy into a fantasy world of lies spun for you by
    objectively incompetent idiots. What more evidence
    do I need that you are willfully ignorant?

    So... I refuse to participate in your delusion and that makes me "willfully ignorant". Right...

    I think that Trump Derangement Syndrome is a bigger problem than
    COVID-19.

    Then you have proven yourself to be an idiot.

    You hate America. You can't stand its freedoms nor
    that it is a society FOR the people and BY the people.
    Those people are starting to not be like YOU anymore,
    and it scares you. But instead of embracing change
    and trying to weave a new American tapestry, you'd
    rather set it on fire. Pathetic.

    Where's the argument? Stating your beliefs over and over again doesn't make them true.

    You literally just said that you think this made-up
    "trump derangement syndrome" is a bigger threat to this
    country than the worst pandemic since the 1918 Spanish
    flu. That's the argument, right there: you put fealty
    to this shit-show of a presidency over your fellow
    countrymen. You hate America and all it stands for.
    Pathetic, anti-American, fake-patriot.

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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to Ron Lauzon on Sunday, April 05, 2020 06:02:37
    On 03 Apr 2020 at 12:08p, Ron Lauzon pondered and said...

    Gregory Deyss wrote to Dan Cross <=-

    What have you done, next to nothing?

    That's one of the common things with Lefties: They do nothing.
    They can't create jobs. Most of them can't even do useful jobs. That's why they hate the idea of meritocracy so much.

    That's funny. The Boston area, where I live, has an
    unemployment rate a full percentage point lower than
    the national average, plus an amazing concentration
    of research university, biotech and technology firms.

    But hey, Wynnewood Oklahoma had Joe Exotic's tiger
    zoo, so you must be right.

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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to Gregory Deyss on Sunday, April 05, 2020 06:05:58
    On 03 Apr 2020 at 03:28p, Gregory Deyss pondered and said...

    The fool indicating a National Epidemic in October of that year and yet
    no travel ban to slow the spread w/ people from other countries infecting Americans.

    Perhaps he should of stayed a community organizer, and shouldn't have
    ran for office of the Presidency, those American's who died would still
    be alive today.

    Perhaps if the failed slum lord and reality TV show host
    had stayed a reality TV show host we wouldn't be looking
    at that many more Americans dying from the current crisis.

    The "community organizer" learned from 2009. The TV guy
    threw out the lessons learned.

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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to Aaron Thomas on Sunday, April 05, 2020 06:06:35
    On 04 Apr 2020 at 12:23a, Aaron Thomas pondered and said...

    Fox & New York Post are cool.

    I agree. A nice, fresh copy of the New York Post is just
    great for wiping one's ass.

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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to Aaron Thomas on Sunday, April 05, 2020 06:12:27
    On 04 Apr 2020 at 12:40a, Aaron Thomas pondered and said...

    Ok, Nancy gets a pass. But dems in the senate tried to get windmills reduced in response to the coronavirus. They held all the middle-class families and thousands of businesses as hostages while they tried to
    fight carbon emissions. We think that crap is adorable - just not right now thank you.

    Rep Thomas Massie. Sen Rand Paul. At least the Democrats
    demanded oversight and restrictions from Trump paying himself
    from the stimulus bill.

    Absolutely he needs oversight. If you're so stupid as to believe that handing Donald Trump a check for two _trillion_ dollars with

    There should have been more oversight when Obama & his goons signed the Iran Nuclear Deal. Are we still feeling like it was money well spent?

    But but but...Obama! Whaa! Whaa! I need a safe space
    full of guns and pocket constitutions!

    We didn't actually spent any money on that, of course; we
    just gave Iran back the money we'd frozen from them after
    the revolution.

    But Trump's not asking for money for Iran - he's asking on behalf of the American people & American businesses. That seems to irritate the hell
    out of Nancy Pelosi, who is unable to grasp the concept of selflessness.

    Like Kushner hoarding ventilators from the national
    stockpile because they're "ours" and "not the states",
    despite the purpose of the stockpile being to backfill
    for localities if they run low? And then the web site
    changing?

    Really, you rubes are so dumb.... You can talk all
    this good shit about Pelosi (who, frankly, I don't give
    a shit about) but your own guy is doing worse and you
    ignore that.

    I think it's hilarious how you guys get so bent out of
    shape about the few tens of millions of dollars out of
    two trillion, but don't mention the airlines and cruise
    lines who are getting billions, with a B.

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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to Aaron Thomas on Sunday, April 05, 2020 06:15:10
    On 04 Apr 2020 at 12:58a, Aaron Thomas pondered and said...

    What truth? You still haven't said jack.

    Trump's response has been utterly incompetent.
    That's a damned fact.

    See, here's where you idiots go off the rails. Yes, there
    actually _are_ experts in this world, and what they say

    You tried to elect that epidemic expert named Hillary Clinton, but you failed. Now the whole country is suffering because Trump's nowhere near the epidemic expert that Hillary Clinton is. I think she had a dual
    major at the University.

    But but but... Hillary!

    I don't give a shit about Hillary Clinton. But if you
    think there aren't experts in the scientific and medical
    establishment, then you're more of an idiot than you
    appear to be on Fidonet.

    I'm not an epidemic expert either, but I think I might have a case of Anderson Cooper Derangement Syndrome. Don't worry Dan, nobody in this
    echo is nearly as epidemic expert as you. Tell us how to survive and
    we'll listen to you since the liberal media won't let us hear what the president has to say.

    It's hilarious to watch Trump get corrected in real time
    when he says something stupid at a news conference. But
    when, you know, actual lives are at stake, it's not just
    about his ego anymore.

    How to survive? I'd listen to what Bill Gates and Fauci
    are saying: national shutdown now.

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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to Aaron Thomas on Sunday, April 05, 2020 06:15:39
    On 04 Apr 2020 at 01:01a, Aaron Thomas pondered and said...

    You don't pray away a pandemic.

    I do - but luckily my president, vice president, and senate are my
    backup.

    Then you're really, really fucked.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dan Cross on Saturday, April 04, 2020 02:11:31
    On 04 Apr 2020, Dan Cross said the following...

    On 02 Apr 2020 at 07:42p, Gregory Deyss pondered and said...

    Entertainment?

    Aaron's word, no?

    Entertain this...

    Ok, Racist.

    Racist? You continue to have delusions concerning who you think I am, just because I think the first black President was continues to be a moron does
    not make me a Racist. Perhaps you should look closer at his historical
    record.

    Ok, boomer. The Clinton foundation has given that many
    times over to charities, but how do you feel about Hillary?
    No wait; don't answer that. I already know and I don't
    care how you feel about her.

    Calling me Boomer, are you expecting some illicit reaction from me, forgetaboutit.

    The only contribution from the Clinton's that I see is the death toll and
    the body-bags that seem to be mounting up around her.

    Pretty sure I didn't see your dumb ass when I was leading
    Marines in Afghanistan. But what have you done?

    I'm shocked, but Thanks for your Service to our Country.

    Was it difficult to be a in the core, and being so dramatically opposed to Conservatives.

    I fail to understand why you're so full of hate, w/ your views are totally ass backwards about me - claiming in several messages that I have negative views about our Nation. Perhaps you have no idea what it means to be a Conservative, or perhaps you are one of one of those Democratic socialists, not really sure, but what I do know you got me all wrong, then again...
    If someone where to ask me if I give crap what you think of me.
    My response would probably be No.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Aaron Thomas on Saturday, April 04, 2020 02:18:32
    On 04 Apr 2020, Aaron Thomas said the following...

    I've given up on the "news". We don't have news anymore.

    How right you are. The news is a production and has been for many years.
    It is also linked to the hips of the Democratic Party.


    Fox & New York Post are cool.
    Indeed.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Aaron Thomas on Saturday, April 04, 2020 02:33:59
    On 04 Apr 2020, Aaron Thomas said the following...

    Ok, Nancy gets a pass. But dems in the senate tried to get windmills reduced in response to the coronavirus. They held all the middle-class families and thousands of businesses as hostages while they tried to
    fight carbon emissions. We think that crap is adorable - just not right now thank you.

    Give Nancy a Pass? She deserves a left hook and a right upper cut to the chin, and a boot in the ass.
    She should be hauled off to prison for being a treasonous snake.

    There should have been more oversight when Obama & his goons signed the Iran Nuclear Deal. Are we still feeling like it was money well spent?

    Obama was the Worst President in American History and he will hold that record well into the future.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dan Cross on Saturday, April 04, 2020 20:22:44
    On 05 Apr 2020, Dan Cross said the following...

    On 03 Apr 2020 at 08:29a, Gregory Deyss pondered and said...

    If the virus does not yet exist within a particular county and people stay home then it is probable that will never exist there and hence control will be maintained.

    That's just not how it works, and it's obvious that you
    are too ignorant to understand the distinction.

    Optimism and positivism instead of the opposite.

    "Hope is not a strategy."

    January is when he acted with the travel ban, what where the Democrat doing this time, they were trying to still impeach the President duri this time.

    Trump himself has said the impeachment was not a factor.
    The "travel" ban was just for Chinese nationals, not
    everyone coming in from China. Since the virus isn't
    racist, it was a less-than-half measure that was totally
    ineffective.

    Just for Chinese nationals? Considering it game from Wuhan, China . It was a ban on travel coming from China. Why are you trying to twist, what the facts are as they have been stated.
    Save yourself and STOP watching CNN and MSNBC.

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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to Gregory Deyss on Sunday, April 05, 2020 12:27:18
    On 04 Apr 2020 at 02:11a, Gregory Deyss pondered and said...

    Ok, Racist.

    Racist? You continue to have delusions concerning who you think I am,
    just because I think the first black President was continues to be a
    moron does not make me a Racist. Perhaps you should look closer at his historical record.

    When you were blathering on about how you didn't
    understand his performance, we were patiently rebutted,
    you finally gave up and said, "he was just a black man
    who...." That pretty much spells it out. If you're
    not a racist, why keep bringing up the guy's race?

    Ok, boomer. The Clinton foundation has given that many
    times over to charities, but how do you feel about Hillary?
    No wait; don't answer that. I already know and I don't
    care how you feel about her.

    Calling me Boomer, are you expecting some illicit reaction from me, forgetaboutit.

    Ok, Boomer.

    The only contribution from the Clinton's that I see is the death toll and the body-bags that seem to be mounting up around her.

    https://www.charitywatch.org/charities/clinton-foundation

    But by all means continue telling me about Rush Limbaugh's
    T-shirt sales.

    Pretty sure I didn't see your dumb ass when I was leading
    Marines in Afghanistan. But what have you done?

    I'm shocked, but Thanks for your Service to our Country.

    You want to thank me? Don't vote for idiots.

    Was it difficult to be a in the core, and being so dramatically opposed
    to Conservatives.

    We spell it "Corps". And no, it wasn't hard at all:
    those who actually stand up for their country understand
    that, when we swear to defend our Constitution, we know
    that to include freedom of speech, even if we disagree
    with that speech. It may further shock you to know that
    the military is not uniformly conservative.

    I fail to understand why you're so full of hate, w/ your views are
    totally ass backwards about me - claiming in several messages that I
    have negative views about our Nation. Perhaps you have no idea what it means to be a Conservative, or perhaps you are one of one of those Democratic socialists, not really sure, but what I do know you got me
    all wrong, then again...

    I don't think so. If you continue to support Trump, you
    are anti our nation. If you refuse to acknowledge his
    incompetence and graft similarly.

    But I also know that you aren't really a conservative, but
    rather just a right-winger.

    If someone where to ask me if I give crap what
    you think of me. My response would probably be No.

    Good to go, snuffy.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dan Cross on Saturday, April 04, 2020 20:33:13
    On 05 Apr 2020, Dan Cross said the following...

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    I remember back in the 90's when BBSes started showing
    up on USENET in earnest: stuff like this got laughed
    back to Fidonet. Some losers never change. Choo choo!

    Your the only one, who seems to have a continued issue with this.
    My node of 150 is one of many BBS systems with my network of NET 267, no one
    w/ my downlinks has a issue with this. To my knowledge no one (who matters) within fidonet has any issue with this.

    Fidonet is not usenet.

    But it is really great to continue to live rent free, in your head.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Saturday, April 04, 2020 21:16:28
    On 04 Apr 2020, Dale Shipp said the following...

    On 04-03-20 08:29, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Pandemic <=-

    There are counties within states that have no COVID-19.

    And what about the counties around them? The fact that they do not y have verified infections of covid-19 does not mean that they will not get them, or that they may not already have untested infections. It will not be under control anywhere until it is under control everywhe

    There was a travel ban first with China and then this was extended to Europe and no it was not just for nationals of that country as has been incorrectly stated by FAKE NEWS reporter Dan Cross..

    It cannot be said that it is under control until after the infection h hit, and then beaten.

    We are all in this together, this means myself and it also means you as well, As well as your family as well as mine.

    I am working from home and have been since March 17th. Someone in the office, self quarantined themselves and it was later determined that they were
    infected with Covid-19. I am thankful to be working from home, it could be quite sometime before I return to the office. Part of me is in no rush to return to the office, but I will also be naturally relieved, at the same time.

    The virus does not care if you're Liberal or a Conservative.
    It does not care if you're Democrat or a Republican either.

    Squabbling about it, will not solve anything.

    I can see where fidonet can make a difference and even be a instrumental.
    As a resource of informational good.

    Of course we will get through this -- but at a high cost, both in hum life and economically. The cost would have been less if we, as a nation, had acted sooner -- but we did not and are now paying the pri

    Acted Sooner?

    January is when he acted with the travel ban, what where the Democrat doing this time, they were trying to still impeach the President duri this time.

    Your point is? Trump was playing golf.

    Obama played golf also so what, he didn't even institute a travel ban at ALL. He did not even call it a "National Epidemic" until October
    -- he played his ass off, playing golf.
    So again your point is, what exactly...?

    You know who really lied? The Communist party of China.

    You want to play the blame game, that would be a good place to start.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Sunday, April 05, 2020 01:03:00
    On 04-04-20 21:16, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Pandemic <=-


    There are counties within states that have no COVID-19.

    And what about the counties around them? The
    fact that they do not y
    have verified infections of covid-19 does not
    mean that they will not
    get them, or that they may not already have untested infections. It
    will not be under control anywhere until it is
    under control everywhe

    There was a travel ban first with China and then this was extended to Europe and no it was not just for nationals of that country as has been incorrectly stated by FAKE NEWS reporter Dan Cross..

    ?? What does that have to do with the current conversation -- Other than
    to toss an insult at someone who you disagree with?

    We are all in this together, this means myself and it also means you
    as well, As well as your family as well as mine.

    True.

    I am working from home and have been since March 17th. Someone in the office, self quarantined themselves and it was later determined that
    they were infected with Covid-19. I am thankful to be working from
    home, it could be quite sometime before I return to the office. Part of
    me is in no rush to return to the office, but I will also be naturally relieved, at the same time.

    Then you are acting responsively. Unlike some folks who are encouraging
    mass gatherings (e.g. look at Trump's statement about packing the
    churches on Easter Sunday).

    The virus does not care if you're Liberal or a Conservative.
    It does not care if you're Democrat or a Republican either.

    True.

    Squabbling about it, will not solve anything.

    What can help solve things is if people speak truth to power and stop
    drinking the kool-aid.

    Of course we will get through this -- but at a
    high cost, both in hum
    life and economically. The cost would have been less if we, as a
    nation, had acted sooner -- but we did not and
    are now paying the pri

    Acted Sooner?

    Yes -- we were warned that it was coming as far back as January. But
    Trump kept denying that it was a problem, instead calling it a hoax.
    His travel bans did nothing to stop the spread of the infection -- the
    virus was already here.

    Obama played golf also so what, he didn't even institute a travel ban
    at ALL. He did not even call it a "National Epidemic" until October
    -- he played his ass off, playing golf.
    So again your point is, what exactly...?

    Obama played golf, yes. But far less than Trump.

    You know who really lied? The Communist party of China.

    But that could be expected from an adversary like China. It should not
    be expected from *OUR* President.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Richard Falken@1:103/705 to Dan Cross on Sunday, April 05, 2020 02:21:47
    Re: Re: Biggest Crash Ever!
    By: Dan Cross to Aaron Thomas on Fri Apr 03 2020 07:14 am

    I know a lot of economists. They universally agree that
    we are headed for a long recession, if not depression.
    Further, the acuity of unemployment claims underlies the
    truth about Trump's numbers: they were illusory. Under-employed,
    low-wage service sector jobs cut down on the rate, but
    weren't indicators of economic strength or security.

    Hello there,

    I think I am going to say something, because there is a variation of this idea that is popping out every now and then and I think it is open to missinterpretation.

    The core idea that is popping out is that the virus is the trigger for a crisis
    that was brewing already. Now, here is the thing:

    Many countries are shutting down factories and services in order to prevent the
    spread of the infection. That means goods and services stop being available. That is a crisis in itself. When you go to the market and can't buy something you want, this is crisis. Shortages themselves ARE the crisis. Obviously, if your economic foundations were weak, the problem may be aggravated, but saying that the virus triggered the crisis that was already in the making is like saying that taking a nuclear strike was the trigger for a crisis already in the
    making.
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  • From Richard Falken@1:103/705 to mark lewis on Sunday, April 05, 2020 02:35:43
    Re: Re: Biggest Crash Ever!
    By: mark lewis to Aaron Thomas on Sat Apr 04 2020 07:09 am

    the US is a hell of a lot more conservative than it was 30+ years ago...

    Because decades ago, blacks didn't have to concede their seats in the bus to whites. Homosexuality was tolerated. And you could play Dungeon And Dragons without having the media demonize you....

    Oh, sorry, I think it is the other way around :-P
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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Sunday, April 05, 2020 09:59:59
    On 05 Apr 2020, Dale Shipp said the following...

    There was a travel ban first with China and then this was extended to Europe and no it was not just for nationals of that country as has be incorrectly stated by FAKE NEWS reporter Dan Cross..

    ?? What does that have to do with the current conversation -- Other than to toss an insult at someone who you disagree with?

    My bad, it's because I get tired of these people who twist the truth and who propagate fear, just because they hate Trump so much, they don't care who it hurts or how much hysteria it creates, was my only point.

    We are all in this together, this means myself and it also means you as well, As well as your family as well as mine.

    True.

    I am working from home and have been since March 17th. Someone in the office, self quarantined themselves and it was later determined that they were infected with Covid-19. I am thankful to be working from home, it could be quite sometime before I return to the office. Part me is in no rush to return to the office, but I will also be naturall relieved, at the same time.

    Then you are acting responsively. Unlike some folks who are encouraging mass gatherings (e.g. look at Trump's statement about packing the
    churches on Easter Sunday).

    What the President said was he wants to see churches packed for Easter with people, but he also indicated "if possible" and he went on to say we will have to see where we are. This was intended as a hopeful message with a bit of optimism.

    What you and others seem to be doing here is sounding the alarm bells with the direct intention to harm the credibility of the President.

    Twisting and largely taking out of context what the man hopes to see and hear about packed churches on Easter Sunday. To leave the other important remarks that the President said concerning we will have to see where we are.
    That is misleading, vile and disgusting.

    That type of narrative, might work on the weak minded, but for people like me who can see what it is that your trying to do, of which is deliberate.
    We can also understand the toxicity of this.
    We can also see the though the cluttered thought and know very well what kind of mind from which this comes.


    The virus does not care if you're Liberal or a Conservative.
    It does not care if you're Democrat or a Republican either.

    True.

    Squabbling about it, will not solve anything.

    What can help solve things is if people speak truth to power and stop
    drinking the kool-aid.

    President is surrounded with Dr.s and the best medical minds, there are also great companies stepping up who have been communicating with Trump Administration who have offered their assistance w/ making medical supplies
    of all types.
    There also is total and complete transparency within this process.

    What kool aid?

    Acted Sooner?

    Yes -- we were warned that it was coming as far back as January. But Trump kept denying that it was a problem, instead calling it a hoax.
    His travel bans did nothing to stop the spread of the infection -- the virus was already here.

    I beg to differ Travel Ban has saved lives, there is no doubt about that. Other countries have also joined in this thinking and now have their own
    travel ban, this methodology is exists amongst states. ex; NY & RI
    I'm certain you have either heard or have seen this to be true.

    Obama played golf also so what, he didn't even institute a travel ban at ALL. He did not even call it a "National Epidemic" until October -- he played his ass off, playing golf.
    So again your point is, what exactly...?

    Obama played golf, yes. But far less than Trump.

    Perhaps if Obama, had Trump's facilities that are very luscious & luxurious
    to play on, he would of played just as much.

    You know who really lied? The Communist party of China.

    But that could be expected from an adversary like China. It should not
    be expected from *OUR* President.

    We are all in this together and we all are learning here, but I will tell you that WE within the United States are so much better off with this President than any on the Democratic side. Can you imagine if Hillary was the President. It would really be a train wreck. I know things are bad with Covid-19, but something tells me that it would be 100x times worse under Democratic leadership.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Dan Cross on Sunday, April 05, 2020 17:10:15
    Hello Dan,

    Entertainment?

    Aaron's word, no?

    Let me entertain you ...

    Entertain this...

    Ok, Racist.

    We are all racists and bigots. What we do to overcome our own
    racism and bigotry is up to us. Both as individuals, and as a society.
    And that is a good thing, not a bad thing. Unfortunately, some folks
    never learn. And never want to learn.

    He has donated $3 Million dollars to Tunnel to Towers Foundation.
    with the sale of his Betsy Ross T-Shirts 100% of the proceeds going to >GD>the Tunnel to Towers Foundation.

    Ok, boomer. The Clinton foundation has given that many
    times over to charities, but how do you feel about Hillary?
    No wait; don't answer that. I already know and I don't
    care how you feel about her.

    Now let's play fair.

    President Clinton named Hillary to lead a health care initiative
    and the far right cried "Foul"! Let's see how President Trump does
    by naming Melania to lead a health care initiative ...

    He has earned his Presidential Metal of Freedom.

    If you think that's all it takes to earn the presidential
    medal of freedom (not metal), then you're even more deluded
    than I suspected. He's an actively harmful parasite.

    You do not have a big enough mouth to qualify.

    What have you done, next to nothing?

    Pretty sure I didn't see your dumb ass when I was leading
    Marines in Afghanistan. But what have you done?

    I love playing with train sets. Don't you?

    --Lee

    --
    Laying Pipe Since '88

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Dan Cross on Sunday, April 05, 2020 17:10:23
    Hello Dan,

    Fox & New York Post are cool.

    I agree. A nice, fresh copy of the New York Post is just
    great for wiping one's ass.

    Unfortunately, it doesn't flush very well ...

    --Lee

    --
    Often Licked, Never Beaten

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Dan Cross on Sunday, April 05, 2020 17:10:29
    Hello Dan,

    You don't pray away a pandemic.

    I do - but luckily my president, vice president, and senate are my >AT>backup.

    Then you're really, really fucked.

    You do realize that sometime on April 8 (Passover) there will be
    exactly 7,777,777,777 people alive on this planet. That is truly
    a Sign from God ...

    --Lee

    --
    Everybody Loves Our Buns

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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to Gerhard Strangar on Monday, April 06, 2020 02:20:14
    On 04 Apr 2020 at 09:57a, Gerhard Strangar pondered and said...

    Try to practice your constitutional right of peaceful assembly at the moment.

    This is the thing that haters just don't understand. When
    you live in a society, it's a cooperative thing: the society
    gives you benefits with respect to safety and security, and
    you in turn, give up some of your rights to participate.

    The trick is in finding the balance. Sadly, those who want
    to go eat over at the Red Robbin "because 'Murica!" don't
    understand this.

    It's like when Starucks _asked_ people not to come in with
    guns, and all the nutters showed up like they were ready to
    go into Fallujah. It's not that you can't, it's more like,
    "someone asked you nicely, so why WOULD you?"

    The answer for the right-wing is always the same: to be a
    huge dick.

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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to Gregory Deyss on Monday, April 06, 2020 02:22:45
    On 04 Apr 2020 at 08:22p, Gregory Deyss pondered and said...

    January is when he acted with the travel ban, what where the Dem doing this time, they were trying to still impeach the President this time.

    Trump himself has said the impeachment was not a factor.
    The "travel" ban was just for Chinese nationals, not
    everyone coming in from China. Since the virus isn't
    racist, it was a less-than-half measure that was totally
    ineffective.

    Just for Chinese nationals? Considering it game from Wuhan, China . It
    was a ban on travel coming from China. Why are you trying to twist, what the facts are as they have been stated.

    No, it wasn't a ban on travel coming from "China." 400,000
    people have traveled between China and the US since the pandemic
    started; 40,000 since Trump's ineffective for-show ban.

    Save yourself and STOP watching CNN and MSNBC.

    I don't watch either CNN or MSNBC. Look at the CPB stats on
    who has traveled from where.

    Get real. Your sources of information tell you what you want
    want to hear and you accept it with no critical thought
    whatsoever.

    Yet more proof of your absolute loathing of the United States
    and all it stands for. Fake patriot.

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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to Gregory Deyss on Monday, April 06, 2020 02:24:43
    On 04 Apr 2020 at 08:33p, Gregory Deyss pondered and said...

    Your the only one, who seems to have a continued issue with this.
    My node of 150 is one of many BBS systems with my network of NET 267, no one w/ my downlinks has a issue with this. To my knowledge no one (who matters) within fidonet has any issue with this.

    You seem to think that Fidonet matters. It was never a
    technically interesting community, though, and its impact
    was mostly in the mind of its users.

    There's a reason we didn't take you people seriously when
    you showed up on USENET expecting you could behave like
    it was another hick BBS.

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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to Gregory Deyss on Monday, April 06, 2020 02:25:58
    On 04 Apr 2020 at 09:16p, Gregory Deyss pondered and said...

    There was a travel ban first with China and then this was extended to Europe and no it was not just for nationals of that country as has been incorrectly stated by FAKE NEWS reporter Dan Cross..

    Liar. You have no idea what was actually banned nor who
    moved between where.

    We are all in this together, this means myself and it also means you as well, As well as your family as well as mine.

    Too bad you don't give a shit about anyone but yourself,
    as exemplified by your continued support for the utter
    incompetence of the buffoon in the white house.

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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to Gregory Deyss on Monday, April 06, 2020 03:21:06
    On 05 Apr 2020 at 09:59a, Gregory Deyss pondered and said...

    That type of narrative, might work on the weak minded, but for people
    like me who can see what it is that your trying to do, of which is deliberate. We can also understand the toxicity of this.
    We can also see the though the cluttered thought and know very well what kind of mind from which this comes.

    Liar.

    President is surrounded with Dr.s and the best medical minds, there are also great companies stepping up who have been communicating with Trump Administration who have offered their assistance w/ making medical supplies of all types.

    He routinely refuses to listen those people and do what
    they say.

    "You take a solid flu vaccine, you don't think that would
    have an impact, or much of an impact, on corona?"
    Donald Trump - March 2, 2020

    What kool aid?

    "It's going to disappear. One day, it's like a miracle,
    it will disappear." Donald Trump - February 28, 2020

    Yes -- we were warned that it was coming as far back as January. But Trump kept denying that it was a problem, instead calling it a hoax. His travel bans did nothing to stop the spread of the infection -- th virus was already here.

    I beg to differ Travel Ban has saved lives, there is no doubt about
    that. Other countries have also joined in this thinking and now have
    their own travel ban, this methodology is exists amongst states. ex; NY
    & RI I'm certain you have either heard or have seen this to be true.

    "We have it totally under control. It's one person coming
    in from China. We have it under control. It's going to be
    just fine." Donald Trump - January 22, 2020

    Perhaps if Obama, had Trump's facilities that are very luscious & luxurious to play on, he would of played just as much.

    "I would rarely leave the White HOuse because there's so much
    work to be done. I would not be a president who took vacations.
    I would not be a president that takes time off." Donald Trump -
    June 2015

    We are all in this together and we all are learning here, but I will
    tell you that WE within the United States are so much better off with
    this President than any on the Democratic side. Can you imagine if
    Hillary was the President. It would really be a train wreck. I know
    things are bad with Covid-19, but something tells me that it would be
    100x times worse under Democratic leadership.

    "Anybody that needs a test gets a test; they're here,
    they have the tests, and the tests are beautiful."
    Donald Trump - March 6, 2020

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:267/150 to Gregory Deyss on Sunday, April 05, 2020 13:53:23
    Give Nancy a Pass? She deserves a left hook and a right upper cut to the

    I was reluctant to say that - because yea she is a national disgrace - but it wasn't her who was trying to deal with windmills in the coronavirus bill.

    Obama was the Worst President in American History and he will hold that record well into the future.

    For sure! At least the worst since Eisenhower. I'm still waiting for the "affordable" healthcare that he promised "if ya'll re-elect me."

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:267/150 to Dan Cross on Sunday, April 05, 2020 14:14:14
    demanded oversight and restrictions from Trump paying himself
    from the stimulus bill.

    There's absolutely no reason to distrust Trump with the stimulus money. Frustrated idiots like Nancy Pelosi are desperate for a bite - but my fish isn't biting.

    What reason is there to worry about the president stealing from the citizens? I'll answer me own question for ya: In order to make idiots fear it will happen. Nancy's playin games with your head.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:267/150 to Dan Cross on Sunday, April 05, 2020 14:15:37
    What truth? You still haven't said jack.

    Trump's response has been utterly incompetent.
    That's a damned fact.

    Ok Joe, let us know when you get your facts in order.

    But but but... Hillary!

    So sorry your candidate was so weak. Maybe the DNC will wise up in 2024.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Sunday, April 05, 2020 14:20:00
    And tell us just how such counties prevent infection from those outside their county who come into -- to deliver goods, to visit or whatever?

    This thread is none of my business - but Dale, look at yourself. Look at your tone. So attacky. You're not going to exterminate Republicans/Conservatives from the face of the earth - get over that fantasy.

    I suggest we stop being so attacky & defensive and start to collaborate as a team on solutions. When you figure something out that elected officials
    haven't thought of, write to them and let em know! A lot of them listen.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:267/150 to Nick Andre on Sunday, April 05, 2020 14:35:19
    Trump fans. Keep the cute reporters and tabloid style. Just tone down
    the clickbait crap and superheroish way that Trump is presented.

    There's just no neutral news outlet though; 98% are liberal-biased and 2% are conservative-biased.

    I do honestly think that Fox is a bit more neutral than the liberal news outlets though. They don't "attack" liberals the way that liberal news
    outlets "attack" Trump & other conservatives.

    Trump gets way more attention than he deserves. I'm sure there are
    conservative (Republican) politicians in the states who are doing evil,
    corrupt things, but instead of even trying to expose them, the liberal media
    is bent on trashing Trump - that's their type of clickbait.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Sunday, April 05, 2020 14:41:23
    Obama played golf, yes. But far less than Trump.

    How much is "less?"

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:267/150 to Lee Lofaso on Sunday, April 05, 2020 14:44:19
    We are all racists and bigots. What we do to overcome our own
    racism and bigotry is up to us. Both as individuals, and as a society. And that is a good thing, not a bad thing. Unfortunately, some folks never learn. And never want to learn.

    I agree with you on this statement.

    President Clinton named Hillary to lead a health care initiative
    and the far right cried "Foul"! Let's see how President Trump does
    by naming Melania to lead a health care initiative ...

    But now you lost me. It sounds like you're hoping for Trump and/or Melania to fail. What sense does that make? I didn't hope for Obama to fail - he did it
    on his own!

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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, April 06, 2020 09:10:12
    On 05 Apr 2020 at 01:53p, Aaron Thomas pondered and said...

    For sure! At least the worst since Eisenhower. I'm still waiting for the "affordable" healthcare that he promised "if ya'll re-elect me."

    Then you should blame the Republicans and right-wingers
    who did everything they possibly could to block the ACA
    and actually make it work for Americans, so that it could
    work for private insurers instead.

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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, April 06, 2020 09:20:08
    On 05 Apr 2020 at 02:14p, Aaron Thomas pondered and said...

    from the stimulus bill.

    There's absolutely no reason to distrust Trump with the stimulus money. Frustrated idiots like Nancy Pelosi are desperate for a bite - but my
    fish isn't biting.

    What reason is there to worry about the president stealing from the citizens? I'll answer me own question for ya: In order to make idiots
    fear it will happen. Nancy's playin games with your head.

    "And we're prepared, and we're doing a great job with it.
    And it will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away."
    Donald Trump, Mar. 10, 2020

    I wouldn't trust this guy to lead me to a water fountain.

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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, April 06, 2020 09:22:22
    On 05 Apr 2020 at 02:15p, Aaron Thomas pondered and said...

    What truth? You still haven't said jack.

    Trump's response has been utterly incompetent.
    That's a damned fact.

    Ok Joe, let us know when you get your facts in order.

    "The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA.
    ... Stock Market starting to look very good to me!"
    Donald Trump - Feb. 24, 2020

    But but but... Hillary!

    So sorry your candidate was so weak. Maybe the DNC will wise up in 2024.

    "Some people will have this at a very light level
    and won't even go to a doctor or hospital, and
    they'll get better. There are many people like that."
    Donald Trump - Mar. 4, 2020

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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, April 06, 2020 09:23:50
    On 05 Apr 2020 at 02:20p, Aaron Thomas pondered and said...

    And tell us just how such counties prevent infection from those outsi their county who come into -- to deliver goods, to visit or whatever?

    This thread is none of my business - but Dale, look at yourself. Look at your tone. So attacky. You're not going to exterminate Republicans/Conservatives from the face of the earth - get over that fantasy.

    At this rate, they're doing a pretty good job of getting
    rid of themselves, by putting their gut and misguided
    faith in the illiterate ramblings of goat herders 2000
    years ago, instead of science, logic and reason.

    I suggest we stop being so attacky & defensive and start to collaborate
    as a team on solutions. When you figure something out that elected officials haven't thought of, write to them and let em know! A lot of
    them listen.

    I agree with you 100%. And the first thing we ought to
    do is fire the guy at the job who's flubbed things so
    badly so far.

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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to Aaron Thomas on Sunday, April 05, 2020 11:33:00
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-

    I've given up on the "news". We don't have news anymore.

    Fox & New York Post are cool.

    But they are still "media" and their focus is on getting eyeballs, not reporting the facts.
    If you remember history class and the era of "yellow journalism" you'll get what I mean.

    Fox and New York Post have used the anti-left focus just to stand out from the crowd (remember that all publicity is good publicity). But I don't trust either of those any more than I trust the Leftie fake news sources.


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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to Aaron Thomas on Sunday, April 05, 2020 11:37:00
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Dan Cross <=-

    But Trump's not asking for money for Iran - he's asking on behalf of
    the American people & American businesses. That seems to irritate the
    hell out of Nancy Pelosi, who is unable to grasp the concept of selflessness.

    Personally, I believe that the main reason that Pelosi didn't like the plan was that the money wouldn't have been funneled through Leftie organizations. So that they wouldn't have been able to pick and choose the winners and losers (plus skim some of that money off for themselves).


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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to Gregory Deyss on Sunday, April 05, 2020 11:44:00
    Gregory Deyss wrote to Dan Cross <=-

    Just for Chinese nationals? Considering it game from Wuhan, China . It
    was a ban on travel coming from China. Why are you trying to twist,
    what the facts are as they have been stated.

    Because the facts don't match his Narrative and The Narrative is always true, so the facts must be twisted to match the Narrative.

    Man, it must be like living in the USSR back in the 50-60's for him.


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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to Ron Lauzon on Monday, April 06, 2020 14:08:54
    On 05 Apr 2020 at 11:44a, Ron Lauzon pondered and said...

    Gregory Deyss wrote to Dan Cross <=-

    Just for Chinese nationals? Considering it game from Wuhan, China . I was a ban on travel coming from China. Why are you trying to twist, what the facts are as they have been stated.

    Because the facts don't match his Narrative and The Narrative is always true, so the facts must be twisted to match the Narrative.

    Man, it must be like living in the USSR back in the 50-60's for him.

    "I don't believe you need 40,000 or 30,000 ventilators.
    You know, you go into major hospitals sometimes they'll
    have two ventilators, and now all of a sudden they're
    saying, 'Can we order 30,000 ventilators?'"
    Donald Trump - Mar. 26, 2020

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, April 06, 2020 06:11:59
    Hello Aaron,

    What truth? You still haven't said jack.

    Trump's response has been utterly incompetent.
    That's a damned fact.

    Ok Joe, let us know when you get your facts in order.

    Joe is the man who is going to beat Donald Trump.
    That is the only fact folks need to know.

    But but but... Hillary!

    So sorry your candidate was so weak. Maybe the DNC will wise up in 2024.

    President AOC is going to be GREAT!

    --Lee

    --
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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, April 06, 2020 06:12:05
    Hello Aaron,

    And tell us just how such counties prevent infection from those outside >DS>their county who come into -- to deliver goods, to visit or whatever?

    This thread is none of my business - but Dale, look at yourself. Look at
    your
    tone. So attacky. You're not going to exterminate Republicans/Conservatives >from the face of the earth - get over that fantasy.

    I suggest we stop being so attacky & defensive and start to collaborate as a >team on solutions. When you figure something out that elected officials >haven't thought of, write to them and let em know! A lot of them listen.

    Tacit approval is when good men do nothing.

    That is what gave the German people Adolf Hitler.

    Of course, the American people do have a solution
    for the current problem at hand.

    We can elect a president who is competent, who will
    uphold and defend the US Constitution, and honestly
    cares for "we the people".

    --Lee

    --
    Our Nuts, Your Mouth

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, April 06, 2020 06:12:22
    Hello Aaron,

    Trump gets way more attention than he deserves.

    I agree. The networks should tune him out and return to
    regular programming immediately.

    --Lee

    --
    As Good As It Looks

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, April 06, 2020 06:12:32
    Hello Aaron,

    Obama played golf, yes. But far less than Trump.

    How much is "less?"

    The Washington Post is keeping a running tab ...

    --Lee

    --
    Stop Workin', Start Jerkin'

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, April 06, 2020 06:12:38
    Hello Aaron,

    We are all racists and bigots. What we do to overcome our own
    racism and bigotry is up to us. Both as individuals, and as a society. >LL>And that is a good thing, not a bad thing. Unfortunately, some folks >LL>never learn. And never want to learn.

    I agree with you on this statement.

    The opposite would be a world in which nobody can make sound judgements.

    President Clinton named Hillary to lead a health care initiative
    and the far right cried "Foul"! Let's see how President Trump does
    by naming Melania to lead a health care initiative ...

    But now you lost me. It sounds like you're hoping for Trump and/or Melania
    to fail. What sense does that make? I didn't hope for Obama to fail - he
    did it on his own!

    Hillary Clinton was eminently qualified for the position she
    was named by President Bill Clinton. It never came to being due
    to right-wing Republicans claiming it was an outrage, but that
    was then. President Clinton had asked her to act as chair, and
    that was just too much for a handful of small-minded Republicans.

    President Trump just named his criminal son-in-law to be in
    charge of procuring medical supplies for hospitals. Talk about
    grifting on a massive scale.

    No wonder hospitals in New York are having such a hard time
    procuring ventilators for their patients.

    --Lee

    --
    Your Hole Is Our Goal

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:267/150 to Dan Cross on Monday, April 06, 2020 01:01:42
    I agree with you 100%. And the first thing we ought to
    do is fire the guy at the job who's flubbed things so
    badly so far.

    You can write that to them -but they won't listen to that. Give them
    realistic goals - you kinda have to do their job for them.

    There's no firing Trump - you've already elected him! Now, how to deal with him: He's not doing stuff good in your opinion - So what should we tell him
    to do different? He's a smart guy - if he's wrong about something, I bet
    he'll want to hear about so he can try to fix it.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:267/150 to Lee Lofaso on Monday, April 06, 2020 01:14:43
    President AOC is going to be GREAT!

    LOL! Great looking!

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:267/150 to Lee Lofaso on Monday, April 06, 2020 01:18:52
    I agree. The networks should tune him out and return to
    regular programming immediately.

    Being uninformed doesn't appeal to me. I want to know everything about the virus that the president knows - not ignore him because I'm jealous of his successes.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:267/150 to Lee Lofaso on Monday, April 06, 2020 01:28:48
    No wonder hospitals in New York are having such a hard time
    procuring ventilators for their patients.

    New York City has had no trouble procuring ventilators. In fact, the governor ripped all the ventilators from all the upstate hospitals and took them all down to NYC as a precaution to make sure NYC would have enough ventilators.

    I think he said that if we need them back in upstate, he will "think about
    it." But for now, they're all being hoarded in NYC.

    I want the sick people in NYC to get well, but Andrew Cuomo is "procuring" votes by running to NYC's rescue while the whole state needs TLC.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Monday, April 06, 2020 03:05:00
    On 04-05-20 09:59, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Pandemic <=-
    ?? What does that have to do with the current conversation -- Other than to toss an insult at someone who you disagree with?

    My bad, it's because I get tired of these people who twist the truth
    and who propagate fear, just because they hate Trump so much, they
    don't care who it hurts or how much hysteria it creates, was my only point.

    If you replace the word "hate" above with "love" then you will have a
    perfect description of Fox News.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Monday, April 06, 2020 03:07:02
    On 04-05-20 09:59, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Pandemic <=-

    Then you are acting responsively. Unlike some folks who are encouraging mass gatherings (e.g. look at Trump's statement about packing the
    churches on Easter Sunday).

    What the President said was he wants to see churches packed for Easter with people, but he also indicated "if possible" and he went on to say
    we will have to see where we are. This was intended as a hopeful
    message with a bit of optimism.

    And yet, some churchs took him at his word and are hold services with
    packed house. Also, Trump said that he is going to church while in
    Florida, where that is allowed. Meanwhile most other folks are going to church/attending mass via virtual displays on the internet.

    What you and others seem to be doing here is sounding the alarm bells
    with the direct intention to harm the credibility of the President.

    Trump destroyed his own credibility a long time ago.

    Twisting and largely taking out of context what the man hopes to see
    and hear about packed churches on Easter Sunday. To leave the other important remarks that the President said concerning we will have to
    see where we are. That is misleading, vile and disgusting.

    Those other remarks were after his health experts convinced him that
    such a thing was not a wise thing to do or say.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, April 06, 2020 03:28:04
    On 04-05-20 14:41, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Pandemic <=-


    Obama played golf, yes. But far less than Trump.

    How much is "less?"

    Hard to track the numbers since Trump tries to hide whether or not he
    plays when he visits the golf courses he owns. The press has confirmed
    that he plays 50% of his visits, unknown about the other 50%. One report
    has confirmed that he played golf 56 times as of March 2018, and that
    Obama had played 37 in the same period of time. The only reason this
    even matters is that during his campaign he boasted about how he would
    never play golf while in office -- and criticized Obama for playing.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Gerhard Strangar@2:240/2188.575 to Dan Cross on Monday, April 06, 2020 12:36:55
    Am 06 Apr 20 02:20:14 schrob Dan Cross an Gerhard Strangar zum Thema
    <Re: Biggest Crash Ever!>

    Try to practice your constitutional right of peaceful assembly at
    the moment.
    This is the thing that haters just don't understand. When
    you live in a society, it's a cooperative thing: the society
    gives you benefits with respect to safety and security, and
    you in turn, give up some of your rights to participate.

    How about being treated like an adult and being allowed to do something at your
    own risk? Right now, some states lock up their whole people, because 1 out of 1000 is infected. 999 need to stay at home for no reason. Meaning 99.9% are "guilty unless proven otherwise". And where's the safety if you lose your job and your savings and your kids cannot go to school anymore?
    I grew up in a time when all of what I have to see right now only existed "on the other side" (meaning in the Soviet sector of Germany).

    So far, the everage age of Corona infected people who died in Germany is 81 years, which also happens to be the average life expectancy.




    Tschoe mit Oe
    Gerhard
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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Monday, April 06, 2020 07:35:16
    On 06 Apr 2020, Dale Shipp said the following...

    On 04-05-20 09:59, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Pandemic <=-
    ?? What does that have to do with the current conversation -- Other t to toss an insult at someone who you disagree with?

    My bad, it's because I get tired of these people who twist the truth and who propagate fear, just because they hate Trump so much, they don't care who it hurts or how much hysteria it creates, was my only point.

    If you replace the word "hate" above with "love" then you will have a perfect description of Fox News.

    Coming from the angle of how you look at these things, I can understand why
    you would say that.

    NBC, MS-NBC, CBS, ABC, PBS, NPR, & CNN all speaking generally the same way, nonsense they are all biased and if you really listen, it is nearly identical to the Democratic Party. Coincidence? I don't think so.

    Here is the dangerous part, this type of thinking is inaccurate to Mr.
    Trump's poll numbers.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Monday, April 06, 2020 08:02:34
    On 06 Apr 2020, Dale Shipp said the following...

    What you and others seem to be doing here is sounding the alarm bells with the direct intention to harm the credibility of the President.

    Trump destroyed his own credibility a long time ago.

    There it is.. That's the very narrative that people that who think just
    the way you you do have been trying to propagate since the day he announced.

    Twisting and largely taking out of context what the man hopes to see and hear about packed churches on Easter Sunday. To leave the other important remarks that the President said concerning we will have to see where we are. That is misleading, vile and disgusting.

    Those other remarks were after his health experts convinced him that
    such a thing was not a wise thing to do or say.

    I know what this is all about, It's about the the left trying to prove their case that he is unfit, not prepared and is unworthy.

    It's quite obvious.
    From the election results to the Muller Investigation, to the Impeachment. Which all it ended without producing the results that the Dems were looking for. This thinking is flawed, this President has kept more promises and has turned them into reality more than any other President in the last 50 years.

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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to Aaron Thomas on Tuesday, April 07, 2020 00:49:06
    On 06 Apr 2020 at 01:01a, Aaron Thomas pondered and said...

    I agree with you 100%. And the first thing we ought to
    do is fire the guy at the job who's flubbed things so
    badly so far.

    You can write that to them -but they won't listen to that. Give them realistic goals - you kinda have to do their job for them.

    There's no firing Trump - you've already elected him! Now, how to deal with him: He's not doing stuff good in your opinion - So what should we tell him to do different? He's a smart guy - if he's wrong about something, I bet he'll want to hear about so he can try to fix it.

    Actually, you _can_ fire him: either via impeachment (but
    the spineless right-wingers refused to hold him accountable)
    or for his obvious impairment, via the 25th amendment (bug
    the same spineless people won't do that).

    IF I were to tell HIM to do something? Sit down, shut up,
    admit he's out of his depth, and say he's putting someone
    competent in charge of being the COVID-19 czar, with the
    full authority and backing of the executive.

    He doesn't want to hear if he's wrong about something: he'd
    rather attach reporters who ask him tough questions than
    deal with the substance of the question.

    "Look, let me tell you something....be nice."
    Donald Trump - Apr 4, 2020 (when a reporter quoted him
    back to himself)

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  • From Nick Andre@1:229/426 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, April 06, 2020 11:17:58
    On 05 Apr 20 14:35:19, Aaron Thomas said the following to Nick Andre:

    Trump gets way more attention than he deserves. I'm sure there are conservative (Republican) politicians in the states who are doing evil, corrupt things, but instead of even trying to expose them, the liberal medi is bent on trashing Trump - that's their type of clickbait.

    I guess I just wish Fox would stop promoting Trump as a wonderful cartoonish superhero who can essentially do no wrong. It is extremely rare (if ever?) that I see an article on Fox that is critical of Trump. Sure its better than most other sites that trash him, but a holier-than-thou image is no better.

    Some liberals see what Fox does and assume that must be how all conservatives feel or believe in.

    Nick

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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to Gerhard Strangar on Tuesday, April 07, 2020 06:26:53
    On 06 Apr 2020 at 12:36p, Gerhard Strangar pondered and said...

    This is the thing that haters just don't understand. When
    you live in a society, it's a cooperative thing: the society
    gives you benefits with respect to safety and security, and
    you in turn, give up some of your rights to participate.

    How about being treated like an adult and being allowed to do something
    at your own risk?

    That's just the thing of it. It's not just your OWN risk, is the
    risk of the entire community. And when it comes to that, people
    have shown over and over again that they just cannot act like adults.

    Right now, some states lock up their whole people, because 1
    out of 1000 is infected. 999 need to stay at home for no reason. Meaning 99.9% are "guilty unless proven
    I grew up in a time when all of what I have to see right now only
    existed "on the other side" (meaning in the Soviet sector of Germany).

    COVID-19 doesn't care about your political belief system. It
    doesn't care whether you grew up in the DDR or Montana. It
    doesn't care what color your skin is, what god you pray to, or
    who you vote for.

    There are no crimes here; it's a matter of public health and
    safety. This isn't the first time we've done similar things
    in the US, just the first time in living memory.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Dale Shipp on Tuesday, April 07, 2020 00:39:27
    Hello Dale,

    Obama played golf, yes. But far less than Trump.

    How much is "less?"

    Hard to track the numbers since Trump tries to hide whether or not he
    plays when he visits the golf courses he owns. The press has confirmed
    that he plays 50% of his visits, unknown about the other 50%.

    https://trumpgolfcount.com/


    I'll let the site do the talking for me.

    For those who are too lazy to click the above url, the number
    is 249 as of March 8, 2020. All at private clubs, none at public
    or military clubs.

    Comparison is also made with the number of times Barack Obama
    played golf during his presidency.

    Along with the cost to taxpayers (~ $133,000,000 for Trump).

    One report has confirmed that he played golf 56 times as of March 2018, and
    that Obama had played 37 in the same period of time. The only reason this even matters is that during his campaign he boasted about how he would
    never play golf while in office -- and criticized Obama for playing.

    "I'm going to be working for you. I'm not going to have time to go
    play golf." ~Donald J. Trump, August 2016

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Aaron Thomas on Tuesday, April 07, 2020 00:39:33
    Hello Aaron,

    I agree. The networks should tune him out and return to
    regular programming immediately.

    Being uninformed doesn't appeal to me. I want to know everything about the >virus that the president knows - not ignore him because I'm jealous of his >successes.

    The president doesn't know anything. He is too busy playing golf.

    --Lee

    --
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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Aaron Thomas on Tuesday, April 07, 2020 00:39:45
    Hello Aaron,

    I agree with you 100%. And the first thing we ought to
    do is fire the guy at the job who's flubbed things so
    badly so far.

    You can write that to them -but they won't listen to that. Give them >realistic goals - you kinda have to do their job for them.

    There's no firing Trump - you've already elected him! Now, how to deal with >him: He's not doing stuff good in your opinion - So what should we tell him >to do different? He's a smart guy - if he's wrong about something, I bet >he'll want to hear about so he can try to fix it.

    He can resign.
    Nixon showed him how to do it.
    Not really that hard.
    All he has to do is say the magic words ...

    --Lee

    --
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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Dan Cross on Tuesday, April 07, 2020 03:39:15
    Hello Dan,

    This is the thing that haters just don't understand. When
    you live in a society, it's a cooperative thing: the society >GS>DC>gives you benefits with respect to safety and security, and
    you in turn, give up some of your rights to participate.

    How about being treated like an adult and being allowed to do
    something at your own risk?

    That's just the thing of it. It's not just your OWN risk, is the
    risk of the entire community. And when it comes to that, people
    have shown over and over again that they just cannot act like adults.

    Now you are beginning to understand the president's strategy
    on winning a second term. He knows he is behind in every poll,
    including Florida (the latest poll showing him 6% behind Biden).
    So what does he do? He tells everybody he will not wear a mask.
    And I am absolutely certain he is telling the truth.

    It isn't hard to imagine what will happen as a result of his
    adamant refusal to wear a mask. He will catch COVID-19 and get
    really sick. Then he might shut up. While you might think that
    is a good thing, there is a down side. If he caught COVID-19 and
    RECOVERED just think of the implications. He would portray himself
    as Superman. "See I got this beautiful virus, fought it... won."
    His zillions of insane followers will then say it proved he is
    God's chosen and we will all be truly f*cked.

    Yes, my friend. We should all do like Nancy Pelosi says she does
    and pray for him. A lot.

    --Lee

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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to Gregory Deyss on Tuesday, April 07, 2020 14:36:59
    On 06 Apr 2020 at 07:23p, Gregory Deyss pondered and said...

    On 07 Apr 2020, Dan Cross said the following...

    Actually, you _can_ fire him: either via impeachment (but
    the spineless right-wingers refused to hold him accountable)
    or for his obvious impairment, via the 25th amendment (bug
    the same spineless people won't do that).

    The nation has been through quite enough, or were you living under a rock during the Robert Mueller Investigation? Which produced a conclusion of
    No Collusion & No Obstruction. I know it did not deliver the punch the
    you and other delusional riot makers were looking for.

    Mueller's report detailed at least ten counts of obstruction
    of justice. But Barr gave a press conference about the
    findings, describing them as "fully exonerating" the president.
    They did no such thing. The delusional riot makers are the
    ones with tiki torches who ram innocent people in the street.

    So then came the Impeachment hearings where we all got to see and hear Pencil Neck Adam Schiff mentioning "Point of Order" a few zillion times, then finally came the Impeachment. Both sides had their say. It was the Democrats that failed to prove their case on Constitutional merit; basically put there was no evidence.

    "The tests are perfect, like the letter was perfect, the
    transcription was perfect, right? This is not as perfect
    as that, but pretty good."
    Donald Trump - Mar 6, 2020 (We still don't have enough tests)

    Circumstantial hear-say is not evidence
    Vile Hatred is not evidence

    So...you guys are going to stop harping on Hillary Clinton,
    then?

    A sore red ass that was kicked in by DJT winning the Presidency is also not submittable as evidence either.

    "I am a great friend and admirer of the Queen & the United
    Kingdom. it was reported that Harry and Meghan, who left the
    Kingdom, would reside permanently in Canada. Now they have
    left Canada for the U.S. however, the U.S. will not pay for
    their security protection. They must pay!"
    Mar 29, 2020

    SO presidential.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Monday, April 06, 2020 23:10:27
    has confirmed that he played golf 56 times as of March 2018, and that Obama had played 37 in the same period of time. The only reason this

    But how many holes? If you play 10 holes 56 times, that's less than playing
    18 holes 37 times.

    never play golf while in office -- and criticized Obama for playing.

    I wouldn't mind a promise like that being broken. How many times did Obama
    mock the special olympics while in office, and how many times did Trump do
    it? That's something I'd keep a better count of.

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  • From Gerhard Strangar@2:240/2188.575 to Dan Cross on Tuesday, April 07, 2020 07:56:57
    Am 07 Apr 20 06:26:53 schrob Dan Cross an Gerhard Strangar zum Thema
    <Re: Biggest Crash Ever!>

    How about being treated like an adult and being allowed to do
    something at your own risk?
    That's just the thing of it. It's not just your OWN risk, is the
    risk of the entire community.

    If everyone needs to stay at home, there are no infections, which means the whole thing just takes longer. Yet still, most of the people will get it. If you allow the healthy people to get it first, they become immune and "the community" might be more luc
    COVID-19 doesn't care about your political belief system.

    We don't need to change it, then. :-)



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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to Aaron Thomas on Tuesday, April 07, 2020 10:36:00
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Gregory Deyss <=-

    For sure! At least the worst since Eisenhower. I'm still waiting for
    the "affordable" healthcare that he promised "if ya'll re-elect me."

    Yes, the "Affordable" Care Act. What a joke.
    It was *supposed* to get health care for everyone - including those too poor to get health care.
    What it actually did was make people buy health care. Those who were poor could only afford plans with high deductables, meaning that their health plans would never kick in because they could never hit the deductable. So they ended up paying MORE.

    The Left's programs always have the *opposite* effect than what they say they will.

    ... As your Doctor I advise you to drink heavily.
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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to Aaron Thomas on Tuesday, April 07, 2020 10:48:00
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Lee Lofaso <=-

    But now you lost me. It sounds like you're hoping for Trump and/or
    Melania to fail. What sense does that make? I didn't hope for Obama to fail - he did it on his own!

    That's another big difference between the Left and everyone else.

    Most of us don't want things to fail. I never wanted Obama to fail simply because nobody wins in that scenario.

    But with the Left, it's always "my way, or I'll destroy it" - or that's the way it seems.

    ... Hell hath no fury like the lawyer of woman scorned!
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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to Gregory Deyss on Tuesday, April 07, 2020 10:53:00
    Gregory Deyss wrote to Dale Shipp <=-

    From the election results to the Muller Investigation, to the
    Impeachment. Which all it ended without producing the results that the Dems were looking for. This thinking is flawed, this President has kept more promises and has turned them into reality more than any other President in the last 50 years.

    Which is reason enough for the Left to hate Trump. It will make any Democrat candidate seem even more poor than than they already are.

    ... There is no such thing as bravery; only degrees of fear.
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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to Aaron Thomas on Tuesday, April 07, 2020 11:04:00
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Lee Lofaso <=-

    President AOC is going to be GREAT!

    LOL! Great looking!

    Well, she *does* have 2 big things going for her.

    But we've already elected too many boobs to Congress.

    ... If it works, you must have done something wrong.
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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to Aaron Thomas on Wednesday, April 08, 2020 06:06:42
    On 06 Apr 2020 at 11:10p, Aaron Thomas pondered and said...

    has confirmed that he played golf 56 times as of March 2018, and that Obama had played 37 in the same period of time. The only reason this

    But how many holes? If you play 10 holes 56 times, that's less than playing 18 holes 37 times.

    The mental gymnastics you clowns go through to support
    this POS "president" are amazingly sad.

    never play golf while in office -- and criticized Obama for playing.

    I wouldn't mind a promise like that being broken. How many times did
    Obama mock the special olympics while in office, and how many times did Trump do it? That's something I'd keep a better count of.

    Obama compared his poor bowling performance to the special
    olympics. It was a disgusting gaffe and he should have
    known better; he apologized. Trump did the a mocking imitation
    when describing a physically disabled reporter.

    Yeah, Trump's worse on this count, too.

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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to Aaron Thomas on Wednesday, April 08, 2020 06:18:31
    On 06 Apr 2020 at 11:19p, Aaron Thomas pondered and said...

    Actually, you _can_ fire him: either via impeachment (but

    First you would need Trump to commit an offense that would convince the senate to remove him from office. You can't have that - it's not on your menu - so what moving on..

    Actually, there's plenty of evidence that he's committed
    numerous crimes. As I already said, the gutless GOP members
    in the Senate failed to hold him to account on an impeachment
    for a handful of crimes. Fortunately for us, there are any
    number of others we could try and convict him on.

    Hey! Trump just fired the IG over seeing the 2T in the
    economic rescue package. That's gotta be legit, right?!

    IF I were to tell HIM to do something? Sit down, shut up,
    admit he's out of his depth, and say he's putting someone
    competent in charge of being the COVID-19 czar, with the

    I'd recommend trimming it down to something like "Mr President, we're not comfortable with Mike Pence as the COVID-19 czar, can you please appoint someone else?"

    Talking to people nicely yields better results.

    Good luck with that.

    "Erythromycin, which will kill certain things that you don't want living
    within your body. It's a powerful drug ... what do you have to lose?"
    Donald Trump - Apr 5, 2020 Talking about a cocktail of Hyrdoxychloroquine
    and erythromycin. A combination that can kill you. Dispensing medical
    advice without a license to practice medicine is a crime in this country.

    When asked the President's question, "What do you have to lose?"
    Dr. Patrice Harris, president of the American Medical Association
    responded, "You could lose your Life."

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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to Gerhard Strangar on Wednesday, April 08, 2020 06:22:43
    On 07 Apr 2020 at 07:56a, Gerhard Strangar pondered and said...

    Am 07 Apr 20 06:26:53 schrob Dan Cross an Gerhard Strangar zum Thema <Re: Biggest Crash Ever!>

    That's just the thing of it. It's not just your OWN risk, is the
    risk of the entire community.

    If everyone needs to stay at home, there are no infections, which means the whole thing just takes longer. Yet still, most of the people will
    get it. If you allow the healthy people to get it first, they become immune and "the community" might be more luc

    ...And if we let all these "adults" you speak of just do
    whatever they please (and history has shown that they will)
    then they overload the medical system when they all inevitably
    become sick, which means that a lot of deaths that could have
    been prevented aren't because there aren't enough resources
    to treat them. That's exactly what happened in Italy: the
    death rate hit a major inflection point and got very steep
    once hospitals ran out of capacity.

    And by the way, it's not just capacity to treat COVID patients:
    if the hospitals are overloaded, then they can't treat heart
    attacks, or car accidents, or whatever.

    "Healthy people" die from this, too.

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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to Ron Lauzon on Wednesday, April 08, 2020 06:27:07
    On 07 Apr 2020 at 10:48a, Ron Lauzon pondered and said...

    That's another big difference between the Left and everyone else.

    Most of us don't want things to fail. I never wanted Obama to fail
    simply because nobody wins in that scenario.

    McConnell made public statements that he felt it was
    his mission to make Obama a one-term president. They
    actively sabotaged any effort to make the ACA actually,
    you know, affordable.

    And if the Right doesn't want things to fail, why
    haven't they brought any of the _hundreds_ of pending
    bills passed by the house up for a vote?

    Don't come at me with that trash. You're lying and
    you know it, but you yokels aren't smart enough to
    know just how transparent your lies are.

    But with the Left, it's always "my way, or I'll destroy it" - or that's the way it seems.

    Why didn't the Senate vote on Merrick Garland's SCOTUS
    nomination?

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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to Ron Lauzon on Wednesday, April 08, 2020 06:28:13
    On 07 Apr 2020 at 11:04a, Ron Lauzon pondered and said...

    Well, she *does* have 2 big things going for her.

    But we've already elected too many boobs to Congress.

    My god, your sexism is disgusting.

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  • From Gerhard Strangar@2:240/2188.575 to Dan Cross on Tuesday, April 07, 2020 22:50:27
    Am 08 Apr 20 06:22:43 schrob Dan Cross an Gerhard Strangar zum Thema
    <Re: Biggest Crash Ever!>

    "Healthy people" die from this, too.

    Can you show me one case?



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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to mark lewis on Tuesday, April 07, 2020 17:58:54
    On 06 Apr 2020, mark lewis said the following...

    Re: Re: Pandemic
    By: Gregory Deyss to Dan Cross on Mon Apr 06 2020 19:23:14


    the Robert Mueller Investigation? Which produced a conclusion of No
    Collusion
    & No Obstruction.

    this is wrong and you've been told it is wrong ever since you started spouting it... you are leaving out parts of it... very important parts...

    Being that Mr. William Barr is the top attorney in the country, no website or any other individual has anything to say that is of any significance about
    the matter.

    As far as what I have been told before:

    I was told "it" was going to be greatly damaging to Trump, there was
    tremendous fanfare and anticipation that "this" was it, Mueller will get it done, Trump is done, but it did not happen that way, did it?

    You can admit it, that the Mueller Investigation was a very big
    disappointment to you and to people who think, just the way you do.

    HINT 1: did not evaluate 'collusion' with the Russian government
    You can not evaluate what does not exist.

    HINT 2: did not conclude that there was 'no obstruction' of the probe.
    The President was totally and completely transparent & cooperative in
    every way.

    The dossier was totally made up, there was not a shred of truth to it.

    Millions of Dollars wasted and for what, just because there was sour grapes over the election, there was something else wasn't there?
    A soreness more like a stinging sensation in the throat; that is remembered even now. That is what humiliation feels like. Revenge is what was sought,
    but defeated you were once again, here comes that feeling in your throat starting to swell once again...

    You people w/TDS will never learn.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Tuesday, April 07, 2020 18:03:06
    I know what this is all about, It's about the the left trying to prov their case that he is unfit, not prepared and is unworthy.

    He has done a pretty good job of proving that all by himself, with no
    help from anyone.

    Just going to have to wait see how right or how wrong you were. After the election result are known.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dan Cross on Tuesday, April 07, 2020 18:21:46
    On 08 Apr 2020, Dan Cross said the following...

    Obama compared his poor bowling performance to the special
    olympics. It was a disgusting gaffe and he should have
    known better; he apologized. Trump did the a mocking imitation
    when describing a physically disabled reporter.

    Go on...
    There is more to the story, but of course you left that part out, because it does not fit your narrative.

    The reporter was caught not indicating the Truth.

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12 to Gregory Deyss on Tuesday, April 07, 2020 18:27:56
    Re: Pandemic
    By: Gregory Deyss to mark lewis on Tue Apr 07 2020 17:58:54


    this is wrong and you've been told it is wrong ever since you started spouting it... you are leaving out parts of it... very important parts...

    Being that Mr. William Barr is the top attorney in the country,

    he's not worth a pile of shit, either...

    no website or any other individual has anything to say that is of any significance about the matter.

    bullshit... he's being paid off just like others are... i guess you like being controlled by some sort of mob, eh?

    so whatever... you keep spouting and believing all the lies and mistruths... everyone sees how willful you are at keeping your head in the sand...


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:267/150 to Ron Lauzon on Tuesday, April 07, 2020 19:22:17
    It was *supposed* to get health care for everyone - including those too poor to get health care.

    I ended up needing to see a doctor urgently when Obama was "re-assuring" me about "affordable" health insurance. Then my employer offered me a plan that would cost about half my pay - so I turned it down & went without health insurance, then paid Obama's "sock-it to the poor tax" when I filed my tax return.

    President Barrack Obama <- Friend to the black community? I think not!

    The Left's programs always have the *opposite* effect than what they say they will.

    Sometimes there are really smart people getting tricked by Democrats. I feel bad for them getting tricked, but I think they're too distracted by their problems to realize they're being manipulated & degraded.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:267/150 to Dan Cross on Tuesday, April 07, 2020 19:31:26
    has confirmed that he played golf 56 times as of March 2018, and Obama had played 37 in the same period of time. The only reason

    But how many holes? If you play 10 holes 56 times, that's less than playing 18 holes 37 times.

    The mental gymnastics you clowns go through to support
    this POS "president" are amazingly sad.

    Too funny Dan! You're the one who had all these numbers figured out! I gave a silly example based on "the mental gymnastics" that YOU already went through
    to support Hillary Clinton! The proof that liberals always ask for? It's all right here!

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:267/150 to Dan Cross on Tuesday, April 07, 2020 19:40:17
    for a handful of crimes. Fortunately for us, there are any
    number of others we could try and convict him on.

    Nancy Pelosi and Adam Schiff have NOTHING more important to do besides impeach Trump. While Trump works hard to protect the red & the blue in this country, pencilnecks are going to try to reduce windmills, and while they're at it, they're going to push propaganda to tarnish Trump because that's on their
    to-do list as well.

    And you're joining these goofs?

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to mark lewis on Tuesday, April 07, 2020 22:41:47
    On 07 Apr 2020, mark lewis said the following...

    Re: Pandemic
    By: Gregory Deyss to mark lewis on Tue Apr 07 2020 17:58:54


    this is wrong and you've been told it is wrong ever since you started spouting it... you are leaving out parts of it... very important part

    Being that Mr. William Barr is the top attorney in the country,

    he's not worth a pile of shit, either...

    no website or any other individual has anything to say that is of any significance about the matter.

    bullshit... he's being paid off just like others are... i guess you like being controlled by some sort of mob, eh?

    You need to stop, with the Democrats turning over stone you think for
    one moment that even if there was a sliver of chance with this, method of madness, they would go after Trump with this.
    Guess what they did not and won't because it is not true.

    They know their place, you should know yours.

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12 to Gregory Deyss on Tuesday, April 07, 2020 23:33:11
    Re: Re: Pandemic
    By: Gregory Deyss to mark lewis on Tue Apr 07 2020 22:41:47


    You need to stop,

    look in the mirror when you say that... oh yeah, and there's this, too... There
    is more to the story, but of course you left that part out, because it does not
    fit your narrative.


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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to mark lewis on Wednesday, April 08, 2020 07:39:16
    On 07 Apr 2020, mark lewis said the following...

    Re: Re: Pandemic
    By: Gregory Deyss to mark lewis on Tue Apr 07 2020 22:41:47


    You need to stop,

    look in the mirror when you say that... oh yeah, and there's this,
    too... There is more to the story, but of course you left that part out, because it does not fit your narrative.

    I see what you did there, but as slick as that was, it wasn't very effective.

    I have the NY POST from when Mr. Robert Mueller made his remarks, I have previously (within the echo) re-typed his the words that were spoken by Robert Mueller. It was a direct quote, exactly, what Mr. Mueller said word for word. So do not blame me if you expected different words.

    We as Conservatives don't twist the truth, there is no need when you're on
    the correct side of history.

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12 to Gregory Deyss on Wednesday, April 08, 2020 09:10:40
    Re: Re: Pandemic
    By: Gregory Deyss to mark lewis on Wed Apr 08 2020 07:39:16


    You need to stop,

    look in the mirror when you say that... oh yeah, and there's this,
    too... There is more to the story, but of course you left that part
    out, because it does not fit your narrative.

    I see what you did there, but as slick as that was, it wasn't very effective.

    There is more to the story, but of course you left that part out, because it does not fit your narrative.

    I have the NY POST from when Mr. Robert Mueller made his remarks,

    many have that, as well... however, if you go back and look, i specifically did
    not post a link from any US news source... it was, in fact, a european one...

    I have previously (within the echo) re-typed his the words that
    were spoken by Robert Mueller. It was a direct quote, exactly,
    what Mr. Mueller said word for word.

    are you saying that the link i posted did not have mueller's words quoted accurately?

    So do not blame me if you expected different words.

    There is more to the story, but of course you left that part out, because it does not fit your narrative.

    We as Conservatives don't twist the truth,

    "we've looked at the history and it is proven that that's a lie!"

    there is no need when you're on the correct side of history.

    There is more to the story, but of course you left that part out, because it does not fit your narrative.


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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to mark lewis on Wednesday, April 08, 2020 15:30:14
    On 08 Apr 2020, mark lewis said the following...

    many have that, as well... however, if you go back and look, i specifically did not post a link from any US news source... it was, in fact, a european one...

    Then there is the problem. I never said you did post anything from any
    news or any other source.

    I have previously (within the echo) re-typed his the words that
    were spoken by Robert Mueller. It was a direct quote, exactly,
    what Mr. Mueller said word for word.

    are you saying that the link i posted did not have mueller's words quoted accurately?
    No.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gerhard Strangar on Wednesday, April 08, 2020 23:33:39
    Hello Gerhard,

    If everyone needs to stay at home, there are no infections, which means the
    whole thing just takes longer. Yet still, most of the people will get it.
    If you allow the healthy people to get it first, they become immune and
    "the community" might be more lucky.

    The British started going down this road, but wisely chose to back
    off after they had thought it through. Why? Because the end result
    would be the entire country shutting down, for an indefinite period
    of time. Of which it might never recover.

    OTOH, think about the fact that as a species humans carry four
    different coronaviruses, none of which we have a vaccine for. The
    novel coronavirus that has emerged may become a fifth.

    While this is not an extinction level event, many untold millions
    of people may die. Perhaps even billions. Call it a culling of the
    herd, if you like. And perhaps that is nature's way of dealing with
    the problem of climate change, or whatever else ails the planet.

    COVID-19 doesn't care about your political belief system.

    We don't need to change it, then. :-)

    If a real crisis develops, will the Germans call for a new f–hrer?
    Will the Mafia return to its former days of glory and rule Italy?
    The more things change, the more things stay the same.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gerhard Strangar on Wednesday, April 08, 2020 23:33:52
    Hello Gerhard,

    "Healthy people" die from this, too.

    Can you show me one case?

    Sorry. I cannot show you any "Healthy people" who are dead.
    I cannot even show you any people who are dead, due to the lockdown
    everybody is under. Funeral homes are going to have a heck of a
    time holding those bodies until a proper funeral can be held. And
    just think of all the living people who are going to be needed to
    dig the graves to put them in ...

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gregory Deyss on Wednesday, April 08, 2020 23:33:58
    Hello Greg,

    Obama compared his poor bowling performance to the special
    olympics. It was a disgusting gaffe and he should have
    known better; he apologized. Trump did the a mocking imitation
    when describing a physically disabled reporter.

    Go on...

    Obama goofed, and apologized for his blunder.
    Trump's act was disgusting, and he felt proud.

    There is more to the story,

    One president acted in an honorable manner, the other did not.

    but of course you left that part out, because it
    does not fit your narrative.

    The crowd cheering Trump's disgusting act was even more disgusting.

    The reporter was caught not indicating the Truth.

    "You can't handle The Truth!" ~Jack Nicholson (A Few Good Men)

    --Lee

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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to Gerhard Strangar on Thursday, April 09, 2020 09:41:37
    On 07 Apr 2020 at 10:50p, Gerhard Strangar pondered and said...

    Am 08 Apr 20 06:22:43 schrob Dan Cross an Gerhard Strangar zum Thema <Re: Biggest Crash Ever!>

    "Healthy people" die from this, too.

    Can you show me one case?

    A simple Google search turns up: https://nypost.com/2020/03/25/21-year-old-woman-with-no-underlying-health-condi tions-dies-of-coronavirus/

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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to Gregory Deyss on Thursday, April 09, 2020 09:43:50
    On 07 Apr 2020 at 05:58p, Gregory Deyss pondered and said...

    HINT 2: did not conclude that there was 'no obstruction' of the probe
    The President was totally and completely transparent & cooperative in every way.

    Then why did he block witnesses?

    You know, what's the point in lying about this? You're
    not fooling anyone. Everyone knows Trump's a shmuck; why
    not just admit that you don't care? You don't care if
    he obstructed justice, or colluded with Russia, or is
    peddling bullshit medical advice...so why not just be
    honest and say that?

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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to Gregory Deyss on Thursday, April 09, 2020 09:47:11
    On 07 Apr 2020 at 06:21p, Gregory Deyss pondered and said...

    On 08 Apr 2020, Dan Cross said the following...

    Obama compared his poor bowling performance to the special
    olympics. It was a disgusting gaffe and he should have
    known better; he apologized. Trump did the a mocking imitation
    when describing a physically disabled reporter.

    Go on...
    There is more to the story, but of course you left that part out,
    because it does not fit your narrative.

    Nah. That's really all there was.

    The reporter was caught not indicating the Truth.

    Nah. That's the right-wing lie, but not true.

    But even if it was, does that excuse Trump's imitation?

    See, this is the thing with you guys. You think you're
    so smart: you think you're being slick by talking about
    "the other part of the story" or whatever and that by
    doing so you're detracting from the thing that Trump
    _actually_ did. But ... you're not. Trump still did
    that thing.

    Do you think Trump's mocking of the guy's handicap is OK?

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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to Aaron Thomas on Thursday, April 09, 2020 09:48:39
    On 07 Apr 2020 at 07:31p, Aaron Thomas pondered and said...

    Too funny Dan! You're the one who had all these numbers figured out! I gave a silly example based on "the mental gymnastics" that YOU already went through to support Hillary Clinton! The proof that liberals always ask for? It's all right here!

    Denial is a river in Egypt.

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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to Aaron Thomas on Thursday, April 09, 2020 09:50:00
    On 07 Apr 2020 at 07:40p, Aaron Thomas pondered and said...

    for a handful of crimes. Fortunately for us, there are any
    number of others we could try and convict him on.

    Nancy Pelosi and Adam Schiff have NOTHING more important to do besides impeach Trump. While Trump works hard to protect the red & the blue in this country, pencilnecks are going to try to reduce windmills, and
    while they're at it, they're going to push propaganda to tarnish Trump because that's on their to-do list as well.

    There are refrigerated trucks acting as temporary morgues
    on the streets in New York City. Trump thinks windmills cause
    cancer and is peddling bullshit medicine. Yeah, get rid of
    the idiot at the top.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:267/150 to Dan Cross on Thursday, April 09, 2020 00:31:54
    not just admit that you don't care? You don't care if
    he obstructed justice, or colluded with Russia, or is
    peddling bullshit medical advice...so why not just be
    honest and say that?

    Yea! And he ran over a squirrel! And had sex with females! And one time he snubbed a hotel clerk who asked for an autograph!

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  • From Gerhard Strangar@2:240/2188.575 to Dan Cross on Thursday, April 09, 2020 08:28:16
    Am 09 Apr 20 09:41:37 schrob Dan Cross an Gerhard Strangar zum Thema
    <Re: Biggest Crash Ever!>

    A simple Google search turns up: https://nypost.com/2020/03/25/21-year-old-woman-with-no-underlyin g-health-conditions-dies-of-coronavirus/

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-52124004

    "But the BBC understands she was not tested for the disease while in hospital."


    https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/03/27/chloe-middleton-the-coronavirus-death-that-wasnt/

    Linked to an article where The Guardian stated that her death Certificate does not mention Covid-19. Now it states "Since the article was published, statistics were this week released by the Office for National Statistics, which
    include all deaths where CWhich sounds like "she died from Covid-19, but was never tested positive for it".

    Do you know a less suspicious case?



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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to Dan Cross on Thursday, April 09, 2020 09:11:00
    Dan Cross wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-

    Well, she *does* have 2 big things going for her.

    But we've already elected too many boobs to Congress.

    My god, your sexism is disgusting.

    Your Social Justice is showing.

    If you can't get the joke, go ask any 5th grader to explain it to you.

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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to Aaron Thomas on Thursday, April 09, 2020 09:21:00
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-

    Sometimes there are really smart people getting tricked by Democrats. I feel bad for them getting tricked, but I think they're too distracted
    by their problems to realize they're being manipulated & degraded.

    There's "smart" and there's "wise".

    I've met many smart people in my day and, in their area of expertise, they are very intelligent.

    The problem is that many of these smart people are in a bubble of other people wo constantly tell them that they are smart in all areas and they end up thinking that if they are an expert in Particle Physics, that they are also an expert in something much simpler - like Economics or Politics.

    Sort of the different between "outstanding in their field" and "out, standing in their field" (i.e. scarecrow).


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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to Gerhard Strangar on Thursday, April 09, 2020 09:24:00
    Gerhard Strangar wrote to Dan Cross <=-

    "Healthy people" die from this, too.

    Can you show me one case?

    There have been too many, unfortunately, but not for the reasons you might think.

    We've been uncovering evidence that they have been overreporting COVID-19 deaths.

    So, if you were in a car accident and died from those injuries, but before that, they found that you had COVID-19, you would be classified as a COVID-19 death. Even though COVID-19 had nothing to do with it.

    We are seeing a sharp drop in many other causes of death while the stats for COVID-19 go up. That smells fishy right there.

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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to Gerhard Strangar on Friday, April 10, 2020 03:49:34
    On 09 Apr 2020 at 08:28a, Gerhard Strangar pondered and said...

    Which sounds like "she died from Covid-19, but was never tested positive for it".

    Nope.

    Do you know a less suspicious case?

    I know of a lot of such cases. https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/04/08/young-people-coronavirus-death s/

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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to Ron Lauzon on Friday, April 10, 2020 03:53:27
    On 09 Apr 2020 at 09:11a, Ron Lauzon pondered and said...

    Your Social Justice is showing.

    If you can't get the joke, go ask any 5th grader to explain it to you.

    I get the joke. It's just puerile and stupid.

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  • From Gerhard Strangar@2:240/2188.575 to Dan Cross on Thursday, April 09, 2020 21:47:46
    Am 10 Apr 20 03:49:34 schrob Dan Cross an Gerhard Strangar zum Thema
    <Re: Biggest Crash Ever!>

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/04/08/young-people-cor onavirus-deaths/

    All I can see there is "Private browsing is permitted exclusively for our subscribers. Turn off private browsing to keep reading this story, or subscribe
    to use this feature, plus get unlimited digital access."



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  • From Richard Falken@1:103/705 to Gerhard Strangar on Friday, April 10, 2020 07:00:21
    Re: Re: Biggest Crash Ever!
    By: Gerhard Strangar to Dan Cross on Tue Apr 07 2020 10:50 pm

    "Healthy people" die from this, too.

    Can you show me one case?

    I have ties with the Spanish health system. The virus is not a joke.

    If you get exposed to a virus charge high enough you can have a severe version of the disease. It looks like (but afaik it is not officially confirmed) that the size of the virus charge you get has a severe effect on the outcome. That is, if you plunge y
    We have had enough cases in Spain from army people (you know, those who don't serve unless they pass a health check) dying to this thing. It is not likely. But it can happen.

    That said, the damage of lockdowns is not a joke either. One of my contacts was
    a grandpa and had a leak in his roof, and nobody would go to his house and fix it because of the lockdown. So he climbed up to the roof, slipped down and crashed his brains a--- SBBSecho 3.10-Linux

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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to Gerhard Strangar on Saturday, April 11, 2020 09:48:48
    On 09 Apr 2020 at 09:47p, Gerhard Strangar pondered and said...

    Am 10 Apr 20 03:49:34 schrob Dan Cross an Gerhard Strangar zum Thema <Re: Biggest Crash Ever!>

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/04/08/young-people-cor onavirus-deaths/

    All I can see there is "Private browsing is permitted exclusively for
    our subscribers. Turn off private browsing to keep reading this story,
    or subscribe

    to use this feature, plus get unlimited digital access."

    Dunno what to tell you, dude. Basically all medical
    professionals who have treated COVID-19 patients are
    unanimous in agreeing that it has and continues to
    kill younger, seemingly otherwise healthy people with
    no comorbidities. If you don't want to believe that,
    that's on you, but you're going against the medical
    and scientific consensus as well as actual evidence.

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  • From Gerhard Strangar@2:240/2188.575 to Dan Cross on Saturday, April 11, 2020 07:49:26
    Am 11 Apr 20 09:48:48 schrob Dan Cross an Gerhard Strangar zum Thema
    <Re: Biggest Crash Ever!>

    Dunno what to tell you, dude. Basically all medical
    professionals who have treated COVID-19 patients are
    unanimous in agreeing that it has and continues to
    kill younger, seemingly otherwise healthy people with
    no comorbidities. If you don't want to believe that,
    that's on you, but you're going against the medical
    and scientific consensus as well as actual evidence.

    Now you changed it from healthy to "seemingly healthy", which is a whole different thing. To get some "actual evidence", we need autopsies on those "seemingly healthy" persons.



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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to Dan Cross on Saturday, April 11, 2020 10:17:00
    Dan Cross wrote to Ron Lauzon <=-

    On 09 Apr 2020 at 09:11a, Ron Lauzon pondered and said...

    Your Social Justice is showing.

    If you can't get the joke, go ask any 5th grader to explain it to you.

    I get the joke. It's just puerile and stupid.

    Curb your elitism. You aren't that important or intelligent.

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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to Richard Falken on Saturday, April 11, 2020 10:32:00
    Richard Falken wrote to Gerhard Strangar <=-

    I have ties with the Spanish health system. The virus is not a joke.

    If you get exposed to a virus charge high enough you can have a severe version of the disease. It looks like (but afaik it is not officially confirmed) that the size of the virus charge you get has a severe
    effect on the outcome. That is, if you plunge yourself into an
    environemnt where everybody is infected, you will get more and more and more virus into your organism and it may reach a point in which your organism cannot manage it.

    Actually, they've linked it to basic health.

    So, if you have a population that engages in unhealthy activities (i.e. smoking, poor diet), that population will have a higher instance and fewer people who are immune (get enough of those and the virus will not spread). They also found that pollution plays a part, along with age (since older people have weakened immune systems).

    Take Italy as an example. High percentage of life-long smokers combined with an older population and you get a higher mortality rate.

    Here in the U.S. they are saying that COVID-19 is impacting the black community harder. But the black community has a higher instance of smoking and poor diet (diabetes is often a problem - and that weakens your immune system).

    Again, in the U.S., if you look at the "heat map" of the cases you'll see that the cluster around the cities - where people are often poorer, which means that they are less healthy.

    According to what I've read so far, most of us will get it. But the vast majority won't even know that they had it.

    We have had enough cases in Spain from army people (you know, those who don't serve unless they pass a health check) dying to this thing. It is not likely. But it can happen.

    I've met many people who seem very healthy, but eat a poor diet, smoke, etc. Just because they pass a health check when they enlist doesn't mean that they are healthy.

    That said, the damage of lockdowns is not a joke either. One of my contacts was a grandpa and had a leak in his roof, and nobody would go
    to his house and fix it because of the lockdown. So he climbed up to
    the roof, slipped down and crashed his brains against the pavement.

    The "experts" in gov't never think of the collateral damage of their decisions.


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  • From Gerhard Strangar@2:240/2188.575 to Dan Cross on Saturday, April 11, 2020 18:12:14
    Am 11 Apr 20 09:48:48 schrob Dan Cross an Gerhard Strangar zum Thema
    <Re: Biggest Crash Ever!>

    Dunno what to tell you, dude. Basically all medical
    professionals who have treated COVID-19 patients are
    unanimous in agreeing that it has and continues to
    kill younger, seemingly otherwise healthy people with
    no comorbidities.

    Here's some diagrams of different European countries:

    https://www.euromomo.eu/outputs/zscore_country0.html
    no increase in mortality age 0-4

    https://www.euromomo.eu/outputs/zscore_country5.html
    no increase in mortality age 5-14

    https://www.euromomo.eu/outputs/zscore_country15.html
    (in increased number in age 15-64, but aprat from England it's lower than the influenza peaks)

    https://www.euromomo.eu/outputs/zscore_country65.html
    This is where the peaks are: age 65+



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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to Ron Lauzon on Monday, April 13, 2020 02:51:12
    On 11 Apr 2020 at 10:17a, Ron Lauzon pondered and said...

    I get the joke. It's just puerile and stupid.

    Curb your elitism. You aren't that important or intelligent.

    Around here the bar isn't very high.

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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to Gerhard Strangar on Monday, April 13, 2020 02:36:57
    On 11 Apr 2020 at 07:49a, Gerhard Strangar pondered and said...

    Am 11 Apr 20 09:48:48 schrob Dan Cross an Gerhard Strangar zum Thema <Re: Biggest Crash Ever!>

    Dunno what to tell you, dude. Basically all medical
    professionals who have treated COVID-19 patients are
    unanimous in agreeing that it has and continues to
    kill younger, seemingly otherwise healthy people with
    no comorbidities. If you don't want to believe that,
    that's on you, but you're going against the medical
    and scientific consensus as well as actual evidence.

    Now you changed it from healthy to "seemingly healthy", which is a whole different thing. To get some "actual evidence", we need autopsies on
    those "seemingly healthy" persons.

    Ok, they were "otherwise healthy" then. No need
    to hedge on the nomenclature: This virus kills
    young, healthy people who would not have otherwise
    died. Full stop.

    I think you're trying to prove some kind of point,
    but I have no idea what that is and whatever it is,
    it's not backed up by actual evidence. I think
    you are resistant to evidence falsifying your
    position. It's not a good look.

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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to Gerhard Strangar on Monday, April 13, 2020 04:15:53
    On 11 Apr 2020 at 06:12p, Gerhard Strangar pondered and said...

    Dunno what to tell you, dude. Basically all medical
    professionals who have treated COVID-19 patients are
    unanimous in agreeing that it has and continues to
    kill younger, seemingly otherwise healthy people with
    no comorbidities.

    Here's some diagrams of different European countries:

    Your earlier statement, and the main point where
    I disagreed with you, is that the virus doesn't
    affect younger people. You asked to see a single
    case where it did.

    It is known that it affects older people much more
    than younger people. That's accepted and not
    terribly interesting information. However, this
    virus has, does, and will continue to kill younger
    people to.

    Attempting to move the goal posts doesn't work.

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  • From Gerhard Strangar@2:240/2188.575 to Dan Cross on Sunday, April 12, 2020 18:45:09
    Am 13 Apr 20 02:36:57 schrob Dan Cross an Gerhard Strangar zum Thema
    <Re: Biggest Crash Ever!>

    Now you changed it from healthy to "seemingly healthy", which is a
    whole different thing. To get some "actual evidence", we need
    autopsies on those "seemingly healthy" persons.
    Ok, they were "otherwise healthy" then. No need
    to hedge on the nomenclature: This virus kills
    young, healthy people who would not have otherwise
    died. Full stop.

    I'm saying that we don't know that.

    I think you're trying to prove some kind of point,
    but I have no idea what that is and whatever it is,
    it's not backed up by actual evidence.

    Not having evidence is excatly my point. You stated that young and healthy people died from Covid-19. The example you gave me was a girl and the "actual evidence" for her being healthy was her mother saying so. I don't accept this as a scientifically corrAs long as there are no autopsies, noone can tell if they were healthy before they got Covid-19.



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  • From Gerhard Strangar@2:240/2188.575 to Dan Cross on Sunday, April 12, 2020 19:15:10
    Am 13 Apr 20 04:15:53 schrob Dan Cross an Gerhard Strangar zum Thema
    <Re: Biggest Crash Ever!>

    Here's some diagrams of different European countries:
    Your earlier statement, and the main point where
    I disagreed with you, is that the virus doesn't
    affect younger people.

    Actually it was about killing young and healthy people. It does of course affect them by infecting them.

    You asked to see a single case where it did.

    It did indeed affect a "younger" person. However, there's no data about her health status.

    It is known that it affects older people much more
    than younger people. That's accepted and not
    terribly interesting information. However, this
    virus has, does, and will continue to kill younger
    people to.

    Of course it does, but obviously there's no increase in mortality. Which means,
    if they had't died from this virus, it would have been another one or some bacteria resistant to antibiotics. 2600 people die in Germany every day, that's
    life. And that's eve


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  • From Gerhard Strangar@2:240/2188.575 to Dan Cross on Sunday, April 12, 2020 19:21:46
    Am 13 Apr 20 02:51:12 schrob Dan Cross an Ron Lauzon zum Thema
    <Re: Pandemic>

    I get the joke. It's just puerile and stupid.
    Curb your elitism. You aren't that important or intelligent.
    Around here the bar isn't very high.

    Around here all bars are currently closed. :-))



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  • From Richard Falken@1:103/705 to Ron Lauzon on Monday, April 13, 2020 06:42:41
    Re: Re: Biggest Crash Ever!
    By: Ron Lauzon to Richard Falken on Sat Apr 11 2020 10:32 am

    So, if you have a population that engages in unhealthy activities (i.e. smoking, poor diet), that population will have a higher instance and fewer people who are immune (get enough of those and the virus will not spread). They also found that pollution plays a part, along with age (since older people have weakened immune systems).

    I guess that explains why Spain is doing soo porly among other things...

    The survival rate of people who gets mechanical ventilation in this area is piss poor when compared to every other area closeby.

    Probably too much alcohol and Spanish-party-hard.
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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to Gerhard Strangar on Tuesday, April 14, 2020 03:15:41
    On 12 Apr 2020 at 06:45p, Gerhard Strangar pondered and said...

    Ok, they were "otherwise healthy" then. No need
    to hedge on the nomenclature: This virus kills
    young, healthy people who would not have otherwise
    died. Full stop.

    I'm saying that we don't know that.

    We do.

    Not having evidence is excatly my point. You stated that young and
    healthy people died from Covid-19. The example you gave me was a girl
    and the "actual evidence" for her being healthy was her mother saying
    so. I don't accept this as a scientifically corr
    As long as there are no autopsies, noone can tell if they were healthy before they got Covid-19.

    There's plenty of evidence if you choose to look.

    Empirically, we have a number of doctors and other
    frontline healthcare workers reporting it as a matter
    of fact. You can choose not to believe them, but
    facts don't care what you believe and you would just
    be wrong.

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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to Gerhard Strangar on Tuesday, April 14, 2020 03:16:27
    On 12 Apr 2020 at 07:15p, Gerhard Strangar pondered and said...

    Your earlier statement, and the main point where
    I disagreed with you, is that the virus doesn't
    affect younger people.

    Actually it was about killing young and healthy people. It does of
    course affect them by infecting them.

    It does kill them. This is documented fact.

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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to Gerhard Strangar on Monday, April 13, 2020 12:51:00
    Gerhard Strangar wrote to Dan Cross <=-

    Now you changed it from healthy to "seemingly healthy", which is a
    whole different thing. To get some "actual evidence", we need autopsies
    on those "seemingly healthy" persons.

    Based on what I've been reading lately, many of the "seemingly healthy" were grossly overweight and that it seemed to be a pretty good marker for getting hit bad by the virus.

    It's actually looking like we have a good reason to stop eating junk food and exercise.

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  • From Gerhard Strangar@2:240/2188.575 to Dan Cross on Monday, April 13, 2020 17:42:25
    Am 14 Apr 20 03:15:41 schrob Dan Cross an Gerhard Strangar zum Thema
    <Re: Biggest Crash Ever!>

    As long as there are no autopsies, noone can tell if they were
    healthy before they got Covid-19.
    There's plenty of evidence if you choose to look.
    Empirically, we have a number of doctors and other
    frontline healthcare workers reporting it as a matter
    of fact.

    Do they use a glass orb? These people get in contact with people suffering from
    symptoms of Covid-19. Noone is running checks for any other diseases. The're asking for *known* health issues and prescribed medication. Just because you are not on medication



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  • From Gerhard Strangar@2:240/2188.575 to Dan Cross on Monday, April 13, 2020 17:44:54
    Am 14 Apr 20 03:16:27 schrob Dan Cross an Gerhard Strangar zum Thema
    <Re: Biggest Crash Ever!>

    Your earlier statement, and the main point where
    I disagreed with you, is that the virus doesn't
    affect younger people.
    Actually it was about killing young and healthy people. It does of
    course affect them by infecting them.
    It does kill them. This is documented fact.

    Show me documents, then. And no, someone's mom stating "my daughter was healthy" is not a fact, that's an assumption.



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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Ron Lauzon on Tuesday, April 14, 2020 20:37:13
    Hello Ron,

    Now you changed it from healthy to "seemingly healthy", which is a >GS>whole different thing. To get some "actual evidence", we need autopsies >GS>on those "seemingly healthy" persons.

    Based on what I've been reading lately, many of the "seemingly healthy" were
    grossly overweight and that it seemed to be a pretty good marker for
    getting hit bad by the virus.

    Pink and her son are not grossly overweight. Both survived.
    That does not mean that others their age also survived, regardless
    of how much they weighed.

    What is being claimed is 90% of those who have died of COVID-19
    had underlying health issues. The other 10% includes those who seem
    to have been healthy, without having any underlying health issues.

    It's actually looking like we have a good reason to stop eating junk food
    and exercise.

    Processed food is not the healthiest choice, but sometimes all
    that can be found. There is also lots of danger in buying products
    at grocery stores due to others contanimating products or by close
    contact.

    Online shopping for food is coming to a close, as too many shoppers
    have been going that route. So now all that is left is to endanger
    yourself by shopping in person.

    Meanwhile, grocery cashiers are quitting in droves as more and more
    are getting sick. And also grocery stockers and other workers.

    I wonder what happens when all the food runs out? Or if not enough
    people can be found to put food on the table?

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gerhard Strangar on Wednesday, April 15, 2020 19:26:28
    Hello Gerhard,

    Your earlier statement, and the main point where
    I disagreed with you, is that the virus doesn't
    affect younger people.

    Actually it was about killing young and healthy people. It does of >GS>>course affect them by infecting them.

    It does kill them. This is documented fact.

    Show me documents, then. And no, someone's mom stating "my daughter was
    healthy" is not a fact, that's an assumption.

    Time to wise up about those daily COVID-19 fatality reports.
    What has Dan so confused is they don't represent the number
    of people it has killed. They represent the number of death
    certificates listing it as a cause. Those two things are
    most definitely not the same.

    Here is a recent example -

    Ellis Marsalis, age 85, was a jazz pianist from New Orleans
    who passed away last week after contracting COVID-19. What
    killed him was pneumonia, not COVID-19.

    Health care professionals have publicly stated that some 90%
    of all COVID-19 deaths had underlying causes, such as obesity,
    diabetes, pneumonia, etc. I am sure many of the other 10%
    can be attributed to undiagnosed causes.

    Two-thirds of the population of the USA is obese. Half of
    them have been diagnosed as being diabetic or pre-diabetic.
    How many of the remaining half have even been tested?

    Over 100 million Americans have been prescribed statin drugs
    by doctors. These statin drugs lower cholesterol levels.
    Healthy cholesterol levels protect the body from harm, while
    low cholesterol levels allow dangerous agents such as COVID-19
    to do their thing.

    Statin drugs have been proven to make patients fully diabetic
    within six months. Low cholesterol levels plus diabetes = disaster.
    Especially when COVID-19 enters the picture.

    Many of those who have died of COVID-19 had low zinc levels.
    So. If you want to stay alive, do as Dr. Trump says by taking
    zinc vitamins. Better to lose your sense of taste and smell
    than everything else.

    Raw oysters - best source of zinc there is. Slurp up.

    --Lee

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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to Gerhard Strangar on Friday, April 17, 2020 03:57:32
    On 13 Apr 2020 at 05:42p, Gerhard Strangar pondered and said...

    Do they use a glass orb?

    No, they use their medical training and experience.

    Please remind me: where did you go to medical school?

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  • From Gerhard Strangar@2:240/2188.575 to Dan Cross on Friday, April 17, 2020 09:28:16
    Am 17 Apr 20 03:57:32 schrob Dan Cross an Gerhard Strangar zum Thema
    <Re: Biggest Crash Ever!>

    Do they use a glass orb?
    No, they use their medical training and experience.

    This variant of the Corona virus is new, there's no training or experience on whether the symptoms being shown are due to SARS-Cov-19 only or if they emerge in combination with somthing else. You can't go to the library and get some books about SARS-Cov-1
    Please remind me: where did you go to medical school?

    What we are talking right now is actually a mathematical problem. There are over 2000 categories in the 22 chapters of ICD-10. To diagnose someone as healthy, you'd have to be sure the patient does not fit into _any_ of the categories, meaning you'd have
    Moreover, noone is an expert on all of the chapters, a GP will never diagnose you as healthy. An ophthalmologist will never diagnose healthy lungs and I'm sure you'd be more than suspicious if the pulmonologist wanted to palpate your prostate gland - even
    If an ambulance takes you to hospital because you can't breathe, noone is testing you for, let's say, hypothyroidism. Now why whould they classify you as
    being "otherwise healthy"?



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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to Gerhard Strangar on Saturday, April 18, 2020 03:51:28
    On 17 Apr 2020 at 09:28a, Gerhard Strangar pondered and said...

    Am 17 Apr 20 03:57:32 schrob Dan Cross an Gerhard Strangar zum Thema <Re: Biggest Crash Ever!>
    Do they use a glass orb?
    No, they use their medical training and experience.

    This variant of the Corona virus is new, there's no training or
    experience on whether the symptoms being shown are due to SARS-Cov-19
    only or if they emerge in combination with somthing else. You can't go
    to the library and get some books about SARS-Cov-19 or Covid-19, it's
    not even in the ICD-10. Patients are currently being marked as U07 - U
    for unknown.

    That doesn't mean that the basic tenants of diagnosis,
    medical research, or use of the scientific method can't
    be applied to COVID-19. Lots of articles are appearing
    in the research literature about it as epidemiologists
    and academic medicine study it. The genome has been
    published.

    Please remind me: where did you go to medical school?

    What we are talking right now is actually a mathematical problem. There are over 2000 categories in the 22 chapters of ICD-10. To diagnose
    someone as healthy, you'd have to be sure the patient does not fit into _any_ of the categories, meaning you'd have to test _all_ of them. This
    is not being done.

    I think you're really reaching to try and support your
    unsupportable position that COVID-19 hasn't killed anyone
    who was young and otherwise healthy.

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  • From Gerhard Strangar@2:240/2188.575 to Dan Cross on Saturday, April 18, 2020 08:22:19
    Am 18 Apr 20 03:51:28 schrob Dan Cross an Gerhard Strangar zum Thema
    <Re: Biggest Crash Ever!>

    I think you're really reaching to try and support your
    unsupportable position that COVID-19 hasn't killed anyone
    who was young and otherwise healthy.

    Here's some other numbers:

    Country population Mortality of those
    tested tested positive

    France 0.51% 12.8%
    Germany 2.09% 2.8%
    Iceland 10.27% 0.5%

    Which could extrapolate to
    50.00% 0.1%
    100.00% 0.05%

    That would sum up to just as many victims as in the flu season of 2017/2018.



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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to Gerhard Strangar on Sunday, April 19, 2020 08:59:25
    On 18 Apr 2020 at 08:22a, Gerhard Strangar pondered and said...

    Here's some other numbers:

    Ignored, because you clearly don't understand the basic
    science. Mortality rate is a localized metric because
    it depends so heavily on the local healthcare's system
    in terms of capacity and quality.

    The one kernel of truth here is that it's true that we
    don't know the true denominator.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gerhard Strangar on Sunday, April 19, 2020 02:26:07
    Hello Gerhard,

    I think you're really reaching to try and support your
    unsupportable position that COVID-19 hasn't killed anyone
    who was young and otherwise healthy.

    Here's some other numbers:

    Country population Mortality of those
    tested tested positive

    France 0.51% 12.8%
    Germany 2.09% 2.8%
    Iceland 10.27% 0.5%

    Which could extrapolate to
    50.00% 0.1%
    100.00% 0.05%

    That would sum up to just as many victims as in the flu season of 2017/2018.

    The director of WHO says the coronavirus is 10x more contagious
    than the seasonal flu. That is an understatement, as evidence shows
    it to be up to 50x more contagious than the seasonal flu.

    But I am not going to quibble about the numbers, or about who
    is right about what.

    During the 2018-19 flu season, about 35 million people in the USA
    contracted flu and about 34,000 died. That is about 1 ouf of 1,000.
    Or about 0.01% - as claimed by the CDC.

    Broken down by age groups -
    Children 1 out of 10,000
    Adult age 50-64 6 out of 10,000
    Adult age 65+ 83 out of 10,000

    About 10% of US COVID-19 patients over age 85 have died.

    Both groups (flu and COVID-19) most fatal in people over 65 years.

    Coronavirus is 5x to 10x more deadly than the flu for those between
    the ages of 0 and 45.

    Coronavirus is 12.5x more deadly than the flu for those over age 85.

    Overall, the coronavirus is 4.7x more deadly than the seasonal flu.

    Global -
    0.1% of people who get the seasonal flu die
    4.7% of people who get COVID-19 die

    Broken down by country the numbers of deaths due to COVID-19
    will differ. That is why there is wide disparagy between some countries/regions.

    Let's look at Spanish Flu -

    Beginning of pandemic March 1918
    Global cases 500 million
    Global deaths 50 million (675,000 in USA)
    Transmission Respiratory droplets
    Most affected age 20-40
    Treatments None
    Vaccines None
    End of pandemic Summer 1919

    Let's look at seasonal flu -

    Global cases 9% of population (1 billion, 5 million severe)
    Global deaths between 291,000 and 646,000 (death rate ~0.1%) Transmission Respiratory droplets
    Most affected Older adults
    Treatments antiviral medications
    Vaccines many
    End of pandemic seasonal

    One-third of the world population was infected by the Spanish Flu.
    Over 50 million people died as a result of having been infected.
    How many people do you think will become infected, and die, as a
    result of COVID-19?

    That is a number too high for me to even contemplate.
    I find that number too high as it is. But it is the reality
    we live in. So we must deal with it, or learn how, the best
    way we can.

    --Lee

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  • From TIM RICHARDSON@1:123/140 to AARON THOMAS on Saturday, April 18, 2020 18:46:00
    On 04-09-20, AARON THOMAS said to DAN CROSS:

    not just admit that you don't care? You don't care if
    he obstructed justice, or colluded with Russia, or is
    peddling bullshit medical advice...so why not just be
    honest and say that?


    Yea! And he ran over a squirrel! And had sex with females! And one time he AT>snubbed a hotel clerk who asked for an autograph!


    From: Days that end in `Y'.....


    "How does it feel to know that politicians have shut down your ability to earn a paycheck....but they are still drawing theirs (and its your money they're getting)?

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  • From TIM RICHARDSON@1:123/140 to GERHARD STRANGAR on Saturday, April 18, 2020 16:41:00
    On 04-10-20, DAN CROSS said to GERHARD STRANGAR:

    On 09 Apr 2020 at 08:28a, Gerhard Strangar pondered and said...

    Which sounds like "she died from Covid-19, but was never tested positive for it".

    Nope.

    Do you know a less suspicious case?

    I know of a lot of such cases. DC>https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/04/08/young-people-coronavirus- DC>eath s/



    The `Washington Post' part of that web site should say it all.


    From; Days That End In `y' .....


    "I am convinced that if we deemed CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, and NBC news as `non-essential' for about two weeks...literally everything in our country
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  • From Gerhard Strangar@2:240/2188.575 to Lee Lofaso on Sunday, April 19, 2020 08:07:32
    Am 19 Apr 20 02:26:07 schrob Lee Lofaso an Gerhard Strangar zum Thema <Biggest Crash Ever!>

    Let's look at Spanish Flu -
    Beginning of pandemic March 1918
    Global cases 500 million
    Global deaths 50 million (675,000 in USA)
    [...]
    Let's look at seasonal flu -
    Global cases 9% of population (1 billion, 5 million severe)
    Global deaths between 291,000 and 646,000 (death rate ~0.1%)
    [...]
    End of pandemic seasonal

    Well, actually there is nor real end, it keeps coming back every year, which means you could as well see it this way:

    Spanish Flu infected 500 million people and killed 50 million within the last 100 years. (actually 102, but let's keep the numbers simple)
    Seasonal Flu infected 36 billion people (100 times 9% out of a linearized average of 4 billions), that would be 36 million deaths at a constant death rate of 0.1%.
    There's quite a high uncertainty in all of thouse numbers, though.

    One-third of the world population was infected by the Spanish Flu.
    Over 50 million people died as a result of having been infected.
    How many people do you think will become infected, and die, as a
    result of COVID-19?

    Now that's wild guessing, but we might see up to 80% infected, which would be 6
    billion people. And it looks like the number of people dying with it is going to be somewhere between 3 million and 240 million people.
    But there are going to be new variants in the future. Wen can "flatten the curve" one time and make it last longer, however, people might then get SARS-Cov-19 and a future SARS-Cov-20 at the same time. What are we going to do then, shut down the economy "


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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Lee Lofaso on Sunday, April 19, 2020 07:05:45
    On 19 Apr 2020, Lee Lofaso said the following...

    Hello Gerhard,

    I think you're really reaching to try and support your >DC>unsupportable position that COVID-19 hasn't killed anyone
    who was young and otherwise healthy.

    Here's some other numbers:

    Country population Mortality of those
    tested tested positive

    France 0.51% 12.8%
    Germany 2.09% 2.8%
    Iceland 10.27% 0.5%

    Which could extrapolate to
    50.00% 0.1%
    100.00% 0.05%

    That would sum up to just as many victims as in the flu season of 2017/20

    The director of WHO says the coronavirus is 10x more contagious
    than the seasonal flu. That is an understatement, as evidence shows
    it to be up to 50x more contagious than the seasonal flu.

    The director of WHO has some explaining to do, the United States, not china
    has contributed majority of it's funding, so explain why are they listening or influenced by a communist country who wants to hold the truth.

    It is the correct move to cut it's funding, until a investigation can be concluded.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gregory Deyss on Monday, April 20, 2020 01:28:16
    Hello Greg,

    [..]

    The director of WHO says the coronavirus is 10x more contagious
    than the seasonal flu. That is an understatement, as evidence shows
    it to be up to 50x more contagious than the seasonal flu.

    The director of WHO has some explaining to do, the United States, not china
    has contributed majority of it's funding, so explain why are they listening or influenced by a communist country who wants to hold the truth.

    The truth?

    "The coronavirus is very much under control in the USA."
    ~ Donald J. Trump

    Want more truth?

    "They [WHO] really called, I would say, every aspect of it wrong."
    ~ Donald J. Trump

    How about we hear what the director-general of WHO has said?

    "You can't fight a virus if you don't know where it is. That means
    a robust surveillance to find, isolate, test and treat every case, to
    break the chains of transmission."
    ~ WHO director-general Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, March 2020

    Some countries acted quickly, including Germany, Singapore and
    South Korea. Which explains why those places are doing so much
    better than the USA.

    It is the correct move to cut it's funding, until a investigation can be
    concluded.

    The USA still does not have a national infrastructure for testing
    of the virus, nor for tracing the contacts of those infected with
    it. Whose fault is that? Donald J. Trump.

    Investigation concluded, case closed.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gerhard Strangar on Monday, April 20, 2020 01:28:23
    Hello Gerhard,

    Let's look at Spanish Flu -
    Beginning of pandemic March 1918
    Global cases 500 million
    Global deaths 50 million (675,000 in USA)
    [...]
    Let's look at seasonal flu -
    Global cases 9% of population (1 billion, 5 million severe) >LL>Global deaths between 291,000 and 646,000 (death rate ~0.1%)
    [...]
    End of pandemic seasonal

    Well, actually there is nor real end, it keeps coming back every year, which
    means you could as well see it this way:

    The seasonal flu, yes. It never ends. But even the Spanish Flu
    did not actually "end" in 1919, as cases continued for 38 years after
    initial infection in 1918.

    Spanish Flu infected 500 million people and killed 50 million within the
    last 100 years. (actually 102, but let's keep the numbers simple)

    In 1918 that would be one-third of the global population being
    infected, with 10% of those infected dying.

    Seasonal Flu infected 36 billion people (100 times 9% out of a linearized
    average of 4 billions), that would be 36 million deaths at a constant death rate of 0.1%.

    Spanish Flu (March 1918 to Summer 1919) infected one-third
    of entire global population (500 million out of 1.5 billion),
    and 10% of those infected (50 million) died. After summer
    of 1919 there were very few cases of Spanish Flu anywhere in
    the world, even though some cases did crop up until the late
    1950s.

    Put those numbers in context with COVID-19.

    The global population today is about 7.8 billion people.
    One-third infected would be 2.6 billion people.
    10% of those infected winding up dead would be 260 million
    people. Let's say a quarter of a billion people dying
    within a year due to COVID-19.

    There's quite a high uncertainty in all of thouse numbers, though.

    Not that much.

    Both the Spanish Flu and the novel coronavirus are zoonotics.
    Both are highly contagious, and are true global pandemics.
    There was/is no effective treatment or vaccine for either.

    The only real questions that remain are how many people will die,
    and how quickly.

    One-third of the world population was infected by the Spanish Flu.
    Over 50 million people died as a result of having been infected.
    How many people do you think will become infected, and die, as a
    result of COVID-19?

    Now that's wild guessing, but we might see up to 80% infected, which would
    be 6 billion people.

    The numbers are known in regards to the Spanish Flu.
    Based on the same numbers (adjusted for increased population)
    and time frame allows for a well-qualified educated guess.

    Of course, it is possible that 80% of the world may get infected
    by the novel coronavirus, and that only God knows how many people
    will suffer and die as a result. In which case, Emily St. John
    Mandel did not write a work of fiction, but of a very real future
    that is becoming all too real.

    "Station Eleven", by Emily St. John Mandel. A flu epidemic devastates humanity, killing off almost everyone and bringing modern civilization
    to a grinding halt ...

    And it looks like the number of people dying with it is going to be
    somewhere between 3 million and 240 million people.

    Closer to 240 million, with the USA leading the way.

    But there are going to be new variants in the future.

    There are reports in India suggesting that the virus may have
    begun to mutate. In which case, current research on producing
    a vaccine have just been trashed ...

    Wen can "flatten the curve" one time and make it last longer, however,
    people might then get SARS-Cov-19 and a future SARS-Cov-20 at the same
    time.

    Ha! You just made the same mistake the US President's top advisor
    Kellyanne Conway made, thinking COVID-20 is the same as COVID-19.
    The number 19 is when the novel coronavirus was discovered, short
    for 2019. There is no COVID-20, as that would be another novel
    coronavirus in which a different vaccine would be needed.

    The world does not need to have *two* novel coronaviruses floating
    about at the same time. My gosh. We already have four coronaviruses
    in our systems as it is ...

    What are we going to do then, shut down the economy "twice as much"?

    With everybody dead I do not believe anybody will be worried about
    the economy.

    --Lee

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  • From Gerhard Strangar@2:240/2188.575 to Lee Lofaso on Monday, April 20, 2020 07:43:41
    Am 20 Apr 20 01:28:23 schrob Lee Lofaso an Gerhard Strangar zum Thema <Biggest Crash Ever!>

    Now that's wild guessing, but we might see up to 80% infected, which
    would be 6 billion people.
    The numbers are known in regards to the Spanish Flu.
    Based on the same numbers (adjusted for increased population)
    and time frame allows for a well-qualified educated guess.

    Not really. How many people flew the flu around the world in 1918? With an incubation time of two days, crossing the ocean in more than five is quite a good protection.

    Wen can "flatten the curve" one time and make it last longer, however,
    people might then get SARS-Cov-19 and a future SARS-Cov-20 at the same
    time.
    Ha! You just made the same mistake the US President's top advisor
    Kellyanne Conway made, thinking COVID-20 is the same as COVID-19.
    The number 19 is when the novel coronavirus was discovered, short
    for 2019. There is no COVID-20, as that would be another novel
    coronavirus in which a different vaccine would be needed.

    That's what a tried to express using the word "future", yet another - so far unknown - new variant. If "the experts" say that 70% aof the population get it,
    that would be almost 60 million in Germany. If kept trying to keep it below 6,000 infections per
    What are we going to do then, shut down the economy "twice as much"?
    With everybody dead I do not believe anybody will be worried about
    the economy.

    SARS-CoV-1 killed 10% of the infected people, MERS-CoV killed 37%.
    SARS-CoV-2 isn't anywhere close to that.



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  • From Gerhard Strangar@2:240/2188.575 to Lee Lofaso on Monday, April 20, 2020 07:50:39
    Am 20 Apr 20 01:28:16 schrob Lee Lofaso an Gregory Deyss zum Thema
    <Biggest Crash Ever!>

    Some countries acted quickly, including Germany, Singapore and
    South Korea. Which explains why those places are doing so much
    better than the USA.

    We made a deal with the virus. So that from now on, it's gonna be only America first. America first! ;-)



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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:267/150 to Lee Lofaso on Monday, April 20, 2020 09:22:35
    The USA still does not have a national infrastructure for testing
    of the virus, nor for tracing the contacts of those infected with
    it. Whose fault is that? Donald J. Trump.

    Look on the bright side: the more people who die, the more you get to blame Trump for all of it. For all we know, he was probably the one who let the
    bats out of their cages in Wuhan.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gerhard Strangar on Monday, April 20, 2020 18:41:51
    Hello Gerhard,

    Now that's wild guessing, but we might see up to 80% infected, which
    would be 6 billion people.
    The numbers are known in regards to the Spanish Flu.
    Based on the same numbers (adjusted for increased population)
    and time frame allows for a well-qualified educated guess.

    Not really. How many people flew the flu around the world in 1918? With an
    incubation time of two days, crossing the ocean in more than five is quite
    a good protection.

    According to Trump, there were airports during the Revolutionary War.
    Certainly by 1918 trans-Atlantic flights would have become routine ...

    On a more serious note, the Spanish Flu was in full swing during
    WWI, but the focus of everybody's attention was on the war, almost
    as if there was no pandemic.

    The main mode of transport in 1918 was by boat, rather than by
    plane, to cross the oceean. But transmission is by respiratory
    droplets, mainly person to person. Being next to someone who
    has it while in the trenches fighting a war is not a good place
    to be.

    Wen can "flatten the curve" one time and make it last longer, however, >>>people might then get SARS-Cov-19 and a future SARS-Cov-20 at the same >>>time.
    Ha! You just made the same mistake the US President's top advisor >LL>Kellyanne Conway made, thinking COVID-20 is the same as COVID-19.
    The number 19 is when the novel coronavirus was discovered, short
    for 2019. There is no COVID-20, as that would be another novel >LL>coronavirus in which a different vaccine would be needed.

    That's what a tried to express using the word "future", yet another - so
    far unknown - new variant. If "the experts" say that 70% aof the population get it, that would be almost 60 million in Germany. If kept trying to keep
    it below 6,000 infections per day, it would take more than 27 years.
    Imagine the SARS-CoV from 2002 and a "flatten the curve" until 2029. Or
    would it be 2045, because of an additinal flattening of MERS-CoV and now
    2060 due to the additional SARS-CoV-2?

    Herd immunity threshhold will be reached way before 27 years.
    But how long would such immunity last? Could be only a few weeks.
    Could be longer. Nobody really knows. In any event, it would be
    a weak immunity, not nearly as effective as a vaccine, which would
    kill it.

    What are we going to do then, shut down the economy "twice as much"? >LL>With everybody dead I do not believe anybody will be worried about
    the economy.

    SARS-CoV-1 killed 10% of the infected people, MERS-CoV killed 37%.
    SARS-CoV-2 isn't anywhere close to that.

    Both were contained. Not the novel coronavirus, which is out in
    the open creating havoc everywhere.

    The USA has a third of the 2.3 million COVID-19 cases around the
    globe - but only 4.2% of the Earth's population. The USA also has
    the highest number of deaths due to COVID-19 than any country.

    750,000 cases and 40,000 deaths as of 4/19/2020 in USA alone.
    That is roughly one-third of all global cases/deaths.
    Imagine what the final tally will be when this is all over ...

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gerhard Strangar on Monday, April 20, 2020 18:48:10
    Hello Gerhard,

    Some countries acted quickly, including Germany, Singapore and
    South Korea. Which explains why those places are doing so much
    better than the USA.

    We made a deal with the virus. So that from now on, it's gonna be only
    America first. America first! ;-)

    That is what one would call the art of the deal. :)

    --Lee

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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to Gregory Deyss on Wednesday, April 22, 2020 02:44:27
    On 19 Apr 2020 at 07:05a, Gregory Deyss pondered and said...

    The director of WHO has some explaining to do, the United States, not china has contributed majority of it's funding, so explain why are they listening or influenced by a communist country who wants to hold the truth.

    CDC doctors working with the WHO had been sending
    data back to the US since like January.

    Nice try at finding another scapegoat, but this
    one won't work out, either.

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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to Aaron Thomas on Tuesday, April 21, 2020 10:12:00
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Lee Lofaso <=-

    Look on the bright side: the more people who die, the more you get to blame Trump for all of it. For all we know, he was probably the one who let the bats out of their cages in Wuhan.

    But it seems to be lefties (especially the ones with TDS) who have bats in their belfrey. 8)

    ... I have my wife on a 4 year lease with an option to buy.
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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Gerhard Strangar on Tuesday, April 21, 2020 12:13:42
    On 20 Apr 2020, Gerhard Strangar said the following...

    Am 20 Apr 20 01:28:16 schrob Lee Lofaso an Gregory Deyss zum Thema <Biggest Crash Ever!>

    Some countries acted quickly, including Germany, Singapore and
    South Korea. Which explains why those places are doing so much
    better than the USA.

    We made a deal with the virus. So that from now on, it's gonna be only America first. America first! ;-)

    That was rather insightful to use the "America First" slogan in these terms
    for the U.S. to prolong the virus here in the United States.

    I do not believe that anyone would wish Germany or it's people harm during these times of hardship with the covid-19

    The America First slogan, came about is because many past President's
    remained ineffective as they have allowed our Nation and it's tax payers to
    get ripped off by other countries.

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  • From Gerhard Strangar@2:240/2188.575 to Gregory Deyss on Wednesday, April 22, 2020 07:43:05
    Am 21 Apr 20 12:13:42 schrob Gregory Deyss an Gerhard Strangar zum Thema
    <Re: Biggest Crash Ever!>

    We made a deal with the virus. So that from now on, it's gonna be
    only America first. America first! ;-)
    That was rather insightful to use the "America First" slogan in these terms for the U.S. to prolong the virus here in the United States.

    As insightful as Trump's behaviour?
    In March, Dietmar Hopp from the CureVac Aktiengesellschaft Tbingen said they rejected an offer over 1 billion US dollars to exclusively provide the vaccine to the United States if they find one.

    Merkel was in quarantine in 2020 due to being in contact with someone who's infected. Trump already avoided shaking her hand in 2017.
    Thi article suggests that Hillary Clinton might be infected: https://tediummedia.com/is-hillary-infected-the-odds-definitely-seem-against-her-after-this-stunt/
    Trump did not shake her hand at the funeral in December 2018.
    Nancy Pelosi got close to someone who is infected and Trump did not shake her hand in February.

    In March Trump said "You can't be a politician and not shake hands".

    He's not being tested himself. Does he know who he can safely shake hands with?

    Moreover: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-proximitypoll/how-many-americans-have-coronavirus-new-reuters-poll-might-offer-a-hint-idUSKBN21D2XJ

    "About 14% of Democrats said they are infected or know of someone infected, compared to about 10% of Republicans."


    It looks like Trump knew Covid-19 was coming and who not to shake hands with because they were being targetted by this new kind of warfare ;-)
    And when people come up with vaccines, he just buys them and puts them in a safe to not stop his plans of world domination. ;-)
    And when he finally rules this planet, he will build a great wall to stop all those extraterrestrials from coming in. ;-)



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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Gerhard Strangar on Wednesday, April 22, 2020 08:15:03
    It looks like Trump knew Covid-19 was coming and who not to shake hands with because they were being targetted by this new kind of warfare ;-)
    And when people come up with vaccines, he just buys them and puts them
    in a safe to not stop his plans of world domination. ;-)
    And when he finally rules this planet, he will build a great wall to
    stop all those extraterrestrials from coming in. ;-)

    As you provide you reasons, in an attempt to defend and validate, they fail
    to explain or to support, your America First comment in the Covid-19 context.

    So your annoyed with the President, ok . America as a nation did not do these things, that is like blaming all of Germany for what Hitler did.

    My Ancestry is of German origin, I would love to visit Germany one day, but
    for me I am going to learn the language first.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gerhard Strangar on Thursday, April 23, 2020 00:25:57
    Hello Gerhard,

    We made a deal with the virus. So that from now on, it's gonna be GS>> only America first. America first! ;-)
    That was rather insightful to use the "America First" slogan in these terms for the U.S. to prolong the virus here in the United States.

    As insightful as Trump's behaviour?
    In March, Dietmar Hopp from the CureVac Aktiengesellschaft Tbingen said
    they rejected an offer over 1 billion US dollars to exclusively provide the vaccine to the United States if they find one.

    Merkel was in quarantine in 2020 due to being in contact with someone who's infected. Trump already avoided shaking her hand in 2017. Thi article suggests that Hillary Clinton might be infected: https://tediummedia.com/is-hillary-infected-the-odds-definitely-seem-against-her-after-this-stunt/
    Trump did not shake her hand at the funeral in December 2018. Nancy Pelosi got close to someone who is infected and Trump did not shake her hand in February.

    In March Trump said "You can't be a politician and not shake hands".

    He's not being tested himself. Does he know who he can safely shake hands with?

    Moreover: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-proximitypoll/how-many-americans-have-coronavirus-new-reuters-poll-might-offer-a-hint-idUSKBN21D2XJ

    "About 14% of Democrats said they are infected or know of someone infected, compared to about 10% of Republicans."


    It looks like Trump knew Covid-19 was coming and who not to shake hands
    with because they were being targetted by this new kind of warfare ;-) And when people come up with vaccines, he just buys them and puts them in a
    safe to not stop his plans of world domination. ;-) And when he finally
    rules this planet, he will build a great wall to stop all those extraterrestrials from coming in. ;-)

    Dear God I hope and pray you are joking.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gregory Deyss on Thursday, April 23, 2020 00:26:04
    Hello Greg,

    It looks like Trump knew Covid-19 was coming and who not to shake hands >GS>with because they were being targetted by this new kind of warfare ;-) >GS>And when people come up with vaccines, he just buys them and puts them >GS>in a safe to not stop his plans of world domination. ;-)
    And when he finally rules this planet, he will build a great wall to >GS>stop all those extraterrestrials from coming in. ;-)

    As you provide you reasons, in an attempt to defend and validate, they fail
    to explain or to support, your America First comment in the Covid-19
    context.

    Not to worry. He has placed Mike Pence in charge of the Space Farce.
    As well as COVID-19. Now all we are doing is waiting for our crew of astronauts to blast off on the SpaceX Dragon on May 27. Oh I remember
    Apollo I like it was yesterday ...

    So your annoyed with the President, ok . America as a nation did not do
    these things, that is like blaming all of Germany for what Hitler did.

    Hitler became chancellor of Germany through legal means, without
    any help from Russia.

    Trump became president of the USA with plenty of help from Russia,
    making him an illegitimate president.

    That is the difference between Hitler and Trump.

    My Ancestry is of German origin, I would love to visit Germany one day, but
    for me I am going to learn the language first.

    https://www.learngermanonline.org/free-ebooks-for-download/


    Knock yourself out.

    --Lee

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  • From Gerhard Strangar@2:240/2188.575 to Gregory Deyss on Thursday, April 23, 2020 08:37:31
    Am 22 Apr 20 08:15:03 schrob Gregory Deyss an Gerhard Strangar zum Thema
    <Re: Biggest Crash Ever!>

    As you provide you reasons, in an attempt to defend and validate, they fail to explain or to support, your America First comment in the
    Covid-19 context.

    Did you not see the blinking smilies?



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  • From Gerhard Strangar@2:240/2188.575 to Lee Lofaso on Thursday, April 23, 2020 08:49:41
    Am 23 Apr 20 00:25:57 schrob Lee Lofaso an Gerhard Strangar zum Thema <Biggest Crash Ever!>

    Dear God I hope and pray you are joking.

    Only where there are smilies.



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