• Nice

    From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Wednesday, April 08, 2020 03:13:02
    On 04-06-20 23:19, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dan Cross about Re: Pandemic <=-

    Talking to people nicely yields better results.

    It would be good if Trump followed that idea. Instead he demonizes any
    one who says something he does not like -- or fires them.

    He doesn't want to hear if he's wrong about something: he'd
    rather attach reporters who ask him tough questions than
    deal with the substance of the question.

    If I was the president and someone asked me if I was trying to make
    money off the anti-malaria drug, I'd tell them as nicely as I can that they need to kiss my butt.

    Except that there is mounting evidence that he may well be either making
    money directly or helping out a large campaign contributor by touting
    that drug.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Wednesday, April 08, 2020 07:53:40
    On 08 Apr 2020, Dale Shipp said the following...

    On 04-06-20 23:19, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dan Cross about Re: Pandemic <=-

    Talking to people nicely yields better results.

    It would be good if Trump followed that idea. Instead he demonizes any one who says something he does not like -- or fires them.

    He doesn't want to hear if he's wrong about something: he'd
    rather attach reporters who ask him tough questions than
    deal with the substance of the question.

    If I was the president and someone asked me if I was trying to make money off the anti-malaria drug, I'd tell them as nicely as I can tha they need to kiss my butt.

    Except that there is mounting evidence that he may well be either making money directly or helping out a large campaign contributor by touting
    that drug.

    Are you serious? Are you and yours now attacking the medicine, that provides relief to Covid-19 patients?

    I do not find any truth to the claim about what it is your discussing here.

    However, I wouldn't care who is profiting, you're talking about a GLOBAL pandemic who gives a rat's ass who is making money.
    Again I dismiss that part of the story, as it's dabbling in the delusional.

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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to Gregory Deyss on Thursday, April 09, 2020 10:07:09
    On 08 Apr 2020 at 07:53a, Gregory Deyss pondered and said...

    Are you serious? Are you and yours now attacking the medicine, that provides relief to Covid-19 patients?

    Where did you get your medical degree? You should
    ask for a refund.

    There is more evidence that people listening to Trump
    on this has literally killed people than there is
    evidence that hyrdoxycholoquine helps against COVID-19.
    All credible scientists and medical professionals have
    said it's either insignificant or actively harmful.

    Trump pushing this is a perfect example of the,
    "something must be done, this is something, therefore
    this must be done" phenomenon.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Thursday, April 09, 2020 00:06:34
    Except that there is mounting evidence that he may well be either making money directly or helping out a large campaign contributor by touting
    that drug.

    Well in that case, let's flush the drug down the toilet then because if we
    save lives with it then that would hurt the the democrats who want Trump to fail.

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  • From Gerhard Strangar@2:240/2188.575 to Gregory Deyss on Thursday, April 09, 2020 08:38:47
    Am 08 Apr 20 07:53:40 schrob Gregory Deyss an Dale Shipp zum Thema
    <Re: Nice>

    Are you serious? Are you and yours now attacking the medicine, that provides relief to Covid-19 patients?

    Does it?
    Where are the studies with 1000 patients getting the medicine and another 1000 getting a placebo?
    Moreover, noone is analyzing what the infected people die from. If you are tested positive and die from a heart attack, you're on the list of Covid-19 victims. If the doctors don't give the patient anything, people will complain about doctors not helping.


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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Thursday, April 09, 2020 01:39:00
    On 04-08-20 07:53, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Nice <=-

    If I was the president and someone asked me if I was trying to make
    money off the anti-malaria drug, I'd tell them as
    nicely as I can tha
    they need to kiss my butt.

    Except that there is mounting evidence that he may well be either making money directly or helping out a large campaign contributor by touting
    that drug.

    Are you serious? Are you and yours now attacking the medicine, that provides relief to Covid-19 patients?

    I am very serious. Although it now seems that Trump himself has only a
    very small stake in the company making the drug, He nevertheless began
    pushing it after talking with a major supporter, even though there was
    no scientific evidence that it was effective and against the direct
    advice of his medical experts. Whether or not it is providing relief
    will not be known until the various clinical trials have been done.
    Meanwhile, there are some serious side effects for some. Meanwhile
    those who need the drug for the approved illnesses are having difficulty obtaining it.

    I do not find any truth to the claim about what it is your discussing here.

    Then look.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Aaron Thomas on Thursday, April 09, 2020 12:41:46
    On 09 Apr 2020, Aaron Thomas said the following...

    Except that there is mounting evidence that he may well be either mak money directly or helping out a large campaign contributor by touting that drug.

    Well in that case, let's flush the drug down the toilet then because if
    we save lives with it then that would hurt the the democrats who want Trump to fail.

    There is a lot hate in here, remains of the FLAME WARS, no one in here is a clinician or a Medical Doctor.
    The President is not a Medical Doctor either, but he is a man of common
    sense.

    Within that spirit of having common sense, that Michigan lawmaker who did
    take the drug and has sense recovered. If she followed the advise from her fellow democrats would of continued to suffer or worse yet could of died.

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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to Gregory Deyss on Friday, April 10, 2020 05:21:47
    On 09 Apr 2020 at 12:41p, Gregory Deyss pondered and said...

    On 09 Apr 2020, Aaron Thomas said the following...

    Well in that case, let's flush the drug down the toilet then because we save lives with it then that would hurt the the democrats who want Trump to fail.

    There is a lot hate in here, remains of the FLAME WARS, no one in here
    is a clinician or a Medical Doctor.
    The President is not a Medical Doctor either, but he is a man of common sense.

    Common sense is not common; certainly not with this president.
    He, you, and the rest of you uneducated yokels are conflating
    correlation with causation.

    The president of the American Medical Association disagrees
    with his "common sense."

    Within that spirit of having common sense, that Michigan lawmaker who did take the drug and has sense recovered. If she followed the advise from
    her fellow democrats would of continued to suffer or worse yet could of died.

    See, here you betray your utter lack of understanding of how
    these things actually work. Some Michigan lawmaker took the
    drug and got better, but you are ASSuming that it was the
    _drug_ that made it better. But, here's the kicker, there is
    no _evidence_ that that was or was not the case.

    Your assertion that she might have suffered further or died
    had she _not_ taken that drug similarly: there's no evidence
    for that.

    In all likelihood, she would have gotten better in the same
    amount of time had she not taken hydroxycholoroquine and AZT.

    But because you do not understand that correlation is not
    causation, and you cannot think logically, and you not only
    ignore but actively resist expertise, you claim otherwise.
    Dangerously.

    It's immoral. You should stop.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dan Cross on Thursday, April 09, 2020 18:31:30
    On 10 Apr 2020, Dan Cross said the following...

    Your assertion that she might have suffered further or died
    had she _not_ taken that drug similarly: there's no evidence
    for that.

    It is logical to assume that she has recovered because of the drug, the woman even gave credit for Trump sounding off about this drug and she continued to go so far and suggest if it was not for Trump talking about this, she would of never known about it.

    Where as your assertion is not remotely logical, which is, she would of gotten better all by herself by doing nothing. It is ludicrous to even debate with
    me over this. We have all seen that this virus is a beast that kills, as it
    has already killed thousands, but there you sit smug and determined to be right. I did not say these things, this is what the woman has declared.
    I know that burns your ass so badly you can hardly wait to respond, of which
    is very ignorant.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Friday, April 10, 2020 01:30:00
    On 04-09-20 00:06, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Nice <=-


    Except that there is mounting evidence that he may well be either making money directly or helping out a large campaign contributor by touting
    that drug.

    Well in that case, let's flush the drug down the toilet then because
    if we save lives with it then that would hurt the the democrats who
    want Trump to fail.

    You are so off base, it is not funny. No one wants Trump to fail any
    more than he already has. If he fails, even more Americans will die. It
    is bad that he failed to recognize the problem sooner and begin
    preventive measures then. That failure cost American lives, but
    everyone wants to avoid further unnecessary deaths.

    The right thing to do with that drug or any other proposal is to perform scientific testing to see whether or not it does help. That is
    happening, but has not yet completed.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to Gregory Deyss on Saturday, April 11, 2020 09:45:47
    On 09 Apr 2020 at 06:31p, Gregory Deyss pondered and said...

    On 10 Apr 2020, Dan Cross said the following...

    Your assertion that she might have suffered further or died
    had she _not_ taken that drug similarly: there's no evidence
    for that.

    It is logical to assume that she has recovered because of the drug, the woman even gave credit for Trump sounding off about this drug and she continued to go so far and suggest if it was not for Trump talking about this, she would of never known about it.

    No it's not.

    Where as your assertion is not remotely logical, which is, she would of gotten better all by herself by doing nothing. It is ludicrous to even debate with me over this. We have all seen that this virus is a beast
    that kills, as it has already killed thousands, but there you sit smug
    and determined to be right. I did not say these things, this is what the woman has declared. I know that burns your ass so badly you can hardly wait to respond, of which is very ignorant.

    Yes, it kills; indiscriminately even. But between 1%
    and 3% of those who contract it.

    But there's no evidence that hydroxychloroquine is an
    effective treatment for it. If you have actual evidence,
    by all means share it. If it's _actual_ evidence and
    it's been verified, I'll admit I'm wrong.

    But you really display your ignorance and lack of
    ability to think logically here. Nice try at
    deflection, but it didn't work.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Saturday, April 11, 2020 11:19:20
    more than he already has. If he fails, even more Americans will die. It is bad that he failed to recognize the problem sooner and begin
    preventive measures then. That failure cost American lives, but

    So the president is taking measures now, to save lives? And he didn't take
    them early enough for you?

    He's not a doctor, or a pandemic expert - I love my president, but I don't
    see him saving lives. If my life were in danger, I wouldn't wait around for
    the president to save me.

    Thanks for crediting President Trump with saving lives - I think that took a lot of energy for you - but how is he saving lives? What measures is he
    taking?

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Sunday, April 12, 2020 01:09:00
    On 04-11-20 11:19, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Nice <=-


    more than he already has. If he fails, even more Americans will die. It is bad that he failed to recognize the problem sooner and begin
    preventive measures then. That failure cost American lives, but

    So the president is taking measures now, to save lives? And he didn't
    take them early enough for you?

    Correct.

    He's not a doctor, or a pandemic expert - I love my president, but I

    But he has such who told him about the coming pandemic, and he did
    nothing but try to wish it away.

    don't see him saving lives. If my life were in danger, I wouldn't wait around for the president to save me.

    Very smart for you.

    Thanks for crediting President Trump with saving lives - I think that
    took a lot of energy for you - but how is he saving lives? What
    measures is he taking?

    He finally is trying to get people to make PPE available to the front
    line workers who are dealing with the pandemic. He is trying get people
    to make to get the much needed ventilators produced. Whether he (or his people) are doing those things in the best way is being questioned by
    some.

    Two navy hospital ships are on each coast to offer some relief to over
    strained hospitals. The army corp is building field hospitals quickly.

    Just think how much better things would have been if he had those things
    done even just 30 days earlier instead of waiting 70 days from his first briefing on the coming pandemic to take it seriously.

    Stay at home orders are helping flatten the curve on infections and
    deaths -- but Trump has yet to even advise such a national directive
    much less impose one. The states without such directives may soon
    become future hot spots.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Sunday, April 12, 2020 08:52:04
    On 12 Apr 2020, Dale Shipp said the following...

    He finally is trying to get people to make PPE available to the front
    line workers who are dealing with the pandemic. He is trying get people to make to get the much needed ventilators produced. Whether he (or his people) are doing those things in the best way is being questioned by some.

    Two navy hospital ships are on each coast to offer some relief to over strained hospitals. The army corp is building field hospitals quickly.

    All of this was ordered and directed by Donald Trump.

    Just think how much better things would have been if he had those things done even just 30 days earlier instead of waiting 70 days from his first briefing on the coming pandemic to take it seriously.

    With the first American that was infected the the Travel ban from China was established, then there was a travel ban with the European countries.
    This action alone saved many thousands of lives.

    What were the democrats doing at this time, they are involved Impeachment and before this there was the Impeachment hearings.

    Furthermore what did the Democrats for American's suffering through this pandemic.

    Just think how much better things would have been if China did not try to hide it, they lied to the U.S. and to the rest of the world.
    For that; the penalty must be severe.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Sunday, April 12, 2020 09:46:22
    deaths -- but Trump has yet to even advise such a national directive
    much less impose one. The states without such directives may soon
    become future hot spots.

    If the president can impose and enforce a stay at home order for the whole country, but didn't, then I will have to agree with you on your disapproval.

    I just don't see that being an option for the president though - can he
    really take that kind of action though?

    I can't imagine the police trying to deal with oblivious Americans who aren't scared of the virus; trying to get them off the streets - it would take a lot of police.

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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, April 13, 2020 02:50:50
    On 11 Apr 2020 at 11:19a, Aaron Thomas pondered and said...

    more than he already has. If he fails, even more Americans will die. is bad that he failed to recognize the problem sooner and begin preventive measures then. That failure cost American lives, but

    So the president is taking measures now, to save lives? And he didn't
    take them early enough for you?

    "The Wall Street Journal always 'forgets' to mention that
    the ratings for the White House Press Briefings are 'through
    the roof' (Monday Night Football, Bachelor Finale, according
    to @nytimes) & is only way for me to escape the Fake News &
    get my views across. WSJ is Fake News!"
    Donald Trump - Apr. 9, 2020

    He's not a doctor, or a pandemic expert - I love my president, but I
    don't see him saving lives. If my life were in danger, I wouldn't wait around for the president to save me.

    Unless they have a medical degree, we don't expect our
    presidents to be experts in those things. We do, however,
    expect them to surround themselves with such experts and
    listen to their advice.

    This president was warned about this pandemic starting
    back in January and failed to take sufficient action.
    His "ban" on travel from China was completely ineffective
    and for show, and he squandered any lead we may have had
    to prepare ourselves. As a result, tens of thousands of
    Americans have died.

    Only those who don't care about human lives continue to
    support this imbecile.

    Thanks for crediting President Trump with saving lives - I think that
    took a lot of energy for you - but how is he saving lives? What measures is he taking?

    "HAPPY GOOD FRIDAY TO ALL!"
    Donald Trump - Apr 10, 2020

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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to Gregory Deyss on Monday, April 13, 2020 03:02:53
    On 12 Apr 2020 at 08:52a, Gregory Deyss pondered and said...

    Two navy hospital ships are on each coast to offer some relief to ove strained hospitals. The army corp is building field hospitals quickl

    All of this was ordered and directed by Donald Trump.

    Wouldn't have been necessary had he taken this seriously
    as soon as he heard about it.

    With the first American that was infected the the Travel ban from China was established, then there was a travel ban with the European countries. This action alone saved many thousands of lives.

    I know this is hard for you to grasp, but there's no evidence
    that that's true, and now there's evidence that it's not.

    You people keep posting the same garbage about the efficacy
    of this "travel ban" (which didn't prevent people traveling
    between China and the US, just prevented Chinese nationals
    from traveling directly from China to the US; 40,000 people
    traveled between the two countries followign the "ban") but
    continue to ignore the squandered opportunity to prepare.

    What were the democrats doing at this time, they are involved
    Impeachment and before this there was the Impeachment hearings.

    Trump himself admitted the impeachment didn't impact his
    2019-nCoV response _at all_: why do you keep brining it up?

    Furthermore what did the Democrats for American's suffering through this pandemic.

    Made sure that the largest economic stimulus package in
    American history -- put in place only because the GOP-led
    government failed to respond to the pandemic adequately,
    setting us up for a forced shutdown of the economy to
    safeguard human life -- had oversight and didn't turn into
    a money grab for large corporations while stiffing working
    Americans? I keep hearing you right-wingers cry about a
    few million dollars earmarked for cultural institutions,
    while ignoring the hundreds of billions of bailouts for
    airlines and cruise lines: companies that wasted whatever
    windfall they from the GOP tax cut, that transferred a
    trillion dollars of wealth from the middle-class to the
    very top tier of wealthy Americans, by buying back their
    own stocks to enrich themselves? That is, instead of
    passing the savings onto their employees or setting aside
    some money for an economic downturn. And oh yeah, who was
    the _one_ member of the house who voted against the bill?
    that's right, it was a right-wing Republican.

    You mean besides all of that?

    Just think how much better things would have been if China did not try
    to hide it, they lied to the U.S. and to the rest of the world.
    For that; the penalty must be severe.

    Indeed. And just think how much better off we would be
    if Donald Trump had not tried to just wish it away. For
    that, the penalty must be voting his dumb ass out of
    office in November, after which he'll probably be indicted
    for numerous crimes in New York State related to campaign
    finance violations: too bad presidential pardons don't apply
    to state laws, huh?

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  • From Gerhard Strangar@2:240/2188.575 to Aaron Thomas on Sunday, April 12, 2020 19:19:54
    Am 12 Apr 20 09:46:22 schrob Aaron Thomas an Dale Shipp zum Thema
    <Re: Nice>

    I can't imagine the police trying to deal with oblivious Americans who aren't scared of the virus; trying to get them off the streets - it
    would take a lot of police.

    How about just getting those of the street who are scared? It's a lot easier.



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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, April 13, 2020 01:20:13
    Hello Aaron,

    deaths -- but Trump has yet to even advise such a national directive >DS>much less impose one. The states without such directives may soon >DS>become future hot spots.

    If the president can impose and enforce a stay at home order for the whole >country, but didn't, then I will have to agree with you on your disapproval.

    The president is not a dictator. Federalism keeps that pipe dream
    of his in check. But hey. He wants everybody to go back to work, not
    impose draconian measures on anybody. So. No worries about having
    a Dictator Trump.

    I just don't see that being an option for the president though - can he >really take that kind of action though?

    He can declare martial law.

    I can't imagine the police trying to deal with oblivious Americans who
    aren't
    scared of the virus; trying to get them off the streets - it would take a
    lot
    of police.

    He has already mobilized a million national guard to do his bidding.
    And that is without having yet declared martial law.

    Problem is, who is going to bury all the dead? And where are you going
    to bury them?

    --Lee

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:267/150 to Lee Lofaso on Sunday, April 12, 2020 20:49:54
    He can declare martial law.

    But how can anyone enforce it? I'm guessing that Trump looked at it that way. He can declare anything he wants, but if he tried to "declare martial law"
    then people, especially those with TDS, would rebel against the authorities.

    Nobody is listening to Trump more than they have to - am I right?

    You & Dan Cross both have expressed your frustration with Trump's handling of the crisis, but you're both very vague about what Trump should have done different or what he should be doing differently now.

    I take it back - Dan did give some examples, such as increase government research on the virus - but research has begun, according to the media.
    They're saying that there are 2 vaccines being tested currently.

    Trump didn't take the warning seriously 3 months ago? What could he have
    done? 3 months ago, if Trump closed America to international travel "over a virus" then Nancy Pelosi would lay a golden egg! Democrats & the media would LOVE the opportunity to say "he's using some stupid virus as an excuse to
    close the border because he's racist!"

    He's not a psychic, not god, not a pandemiologist, just a guy who can lead
    the country toward economic prosperity. We face horrible issues in life -
    they can't all be pinned on the president. How about my middle school principal? Was it his fault that some kid slugged me? "What a terrible
    school! It's all that lousy principal's fault!"

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Monday, April 13, 2020 02:30:00
    On 04-12-20 08:52, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Nice <=-


    On 12 Apr 2020, Dale Shipp said the following...

    He finally is trying to get people to make PPE available to the front
    line workers who are dealing with the pandemic. He is trying get people to make to get the much needed ventilators produced. Whether he (or his people) are doing those things in the best way is being questioned by some.

    Two navy hospital ships are on each coast to offer some relief to over strained hospitals. The army corp is building field hospitals quickly.

    All of this was ordered and directed by Donald Trump.

    As I said.

    Just think how much better things would have been if he had those things done even just 30 days earlier instead of waiting 70 days from his first briefing on the coming pandemic to take it seriously.

    With the first American that was infected the the Travel ban from
    China was established, then there was a travel ban with the European countries. This action alone saved many thousands of lives.

    How do you know that? The virus was already here and spreading.
    Meanwhile Trump squandered the next two months plus claiming that the
    virus would soon go away -- costing tens of thousands of lives.

    What were the democrats doing at this time, they are involved
    Impeachment and before this there was the Impeachment hearings.

    Furthermore what did the Democrats for American's suffering through
    this pandemic.

    The relief bill was formed with Democratic input and passed with
    Democratic support. It should provide economic relief to out of work
    people and small business.

    Just think how much better things would have been if China did not try
    to hide it, they lied to the U.S. and to the rest of the world.
    For that; the penalty must be severe.

    Just think how much better things would have been if Trump had not made
    light of the threat, instead of his making fairy tale pronouncements.
    For that, the penalty should be severe.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, April 13, 2020 03:29:02
    On 04-12-20 09:46, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Nice <=-


    deaths -- but Trump has yet to even advise such a national directive
    much less impose one. The states without such directives may soon
    become future hot spots.

    If the president can impose and enforce a stay at home order for the
    whole country, but didn't, then I will have to agree with you on your disapproval.

    I just don't see that being an option for the president though - can
    he really take that kind of action though?

    He could certainly follow the recommendations of his scientific advisors
    and call for a national stay at home, instead of simply leaving it to
    the states. His failure to do so will cost lives, and an indication of
    his reluctance to take responsibility for a difficult decision.

    I can't imagine the police trying to deal with oblivious Americans who aren't scared of the virus; trying to get them off the streets - it
    would take a lot of police.

    Those oblivious Americans are harming themselves and others. Police
    action is not what is called for -- education is. It is the oblivious governors who are also to blame, such as those who encourage mass
    gatherings.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, April 13, 2020 07:47:15
    On 12 Apr 2020, Aaron Thomas said the following...

    deaths -- but Trump has yet to even advise such a national directive much less impose one. The states without such directives may soon become future hot spots.

    If the president can impose and enforce a stay at home order for the
    whole country, but didn't, then I will have to agree with you on your disapproval.

    If the President did this then he would called a dictator, and the police
    would of been referred to the Gestapo.

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  • From Richard Falken@1:103/705 to Dale Shipp on Monday, April 13, 2020 06:47:21
    Re: Re: Nice
    By: Dale Shipp to Aaron Thomas on Sun Apr 12 2020 01:09 am

    Stay at home orders are helping flatten the curve on infections and
    deaths -- but Trump has yet to even advise such a national directive
    much less impose one. The states without such directives may soon
    become future hot spots.

    Something I wonder: if he had issued a Federal level directive two months ago, wouldn't Governors and partisans alike have eaten Trump's guts?

    Because I suspect that would have happened to Pedro Sánchez if he had tried that in Spain before things got really ugly. Although I think he is responsible
    of a big part of the mess for another reasons.
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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, April 13, 2020 19:48:34
    Hello Aaron,

    He can declare martial law.

    But how can anyone enforce it?

    He has federalized the national guard, activating one million of them
    to serve in this crisis.

    I'm guessing that Trump looked at it that way.

    Of course. He's the prez who wishes to be a dictator.

    He can declare anything he wants, but if he tried to "declare martial law"
    then people, especially those with TDS, would rebel against the
    authorities.

    How far did the Black Panthers get when they tried that approach?
    The governor of Louisiana had his state troopers shoot them dead,
    ask questions later. Does the president have the balls to order
    the national guard to shoot on sight? Would the national guard
    act on his orders?

    Nobody is listening to Trump more than they have to - am I right?

    His daily campaign events (White House daily briefings) have become
    more sporatic as of late.

    You & Dan Cross both have expressed your frustration with Trump's handling
    of the crisis, but you're both very vague about what Trump should have done different or what he should be doing differently now.

    https://tinyurl.com/uvsdtgb


    That should be enough to answer your questions as to why people are so frustrated with Trump's response and what needs to be done.

    Even today, the president still does not have a plan in regards to
    the coronavirus pandemic. His incompetence in this matter is truly
    astounding.

    I take it back - Dan did give some examples, such as increase government >research on the virus - but research has begun, according to the media. >They're saying that there are 2 vaccines being tested currently.

    I seriously doubt any safe and effective vaccine will be found.
    Not now, in the near future, or ever. The Spanish Flu began in the
    same way, had three waves, killed millions of people worldwide, and
    no vaccine was ever found. Jumped from bat to animal to man. Same
    as the coronavirus. After the major waves made their rounds, the
    Spanish Flu continued to circulate for another 38 years.

    Trump didn't take the warning seriously 3 months ago? What could he have >done? 3 months ago, if Trump closed America to international travel "over a >virus" then Nancy Pelosi would lay a golden egg! Democrats & the media would >LOVE the opportunity to say "he's using some stupid virus as an excuse to >close the border because he's racist!"

    Read the article by Vox (cited above). It explains all.

    He's not a psychic, not god, not a pandemiologist, just a guy who can lead >the country toward economic prosperity. We face horrible issues in life - >they can't all be pinned on the president. How about my middle school >principal? Was it his fault that some kid slugged me? "What a terrible >school! It's all that lousy principal's fault!"

    Trump owns this mess. All of it.

    --Lee

    --
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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:267/150 to Lee Lofaso on Monday, April 13, 2020 14:00:27
    Even today, the president still does not have a plan in regards to
    the coronavirus pandemic. His incompetence in this matter is truly astounding.

    I don't know how it is for other Americans - but I've got access to testing. Access to a ventilator is at my Democratic governor's discretion.

    You can praise South Korea or Japan all you want, but nobody is immune to
    this crisis, and no country on earth "has it under control."

    Trump owns this mess. All of it.

    Let's impeach him again. Congress still has NOTHING better to do.

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  • From Ron Lauzon@1:275/89 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, April 13, 2020 12:59:00
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Dale Shipp <=-

    He's not a doctor, or a pandemic expert - I love my president, but I
    don't see him saving lives. If my life were in danger, I wouldn't wait around for the president to save me.

    Kinda reminds me of a joke.

    A flood happens and a man's house - with him on the roof - is floating down the river. The man prays to God asking for rescue.

    A man on the bank yells, "Catch this rope and I'll pull you to shore." The man replies, "No, thank you. God will save me."

    A man in a boat comes by and tells him, "Get in and and I'll take you to shore." The man replies, "No, thank you. God will save me."

    A helicopter shows up and lowers a rope ladder. "Climb up and and I'll take you to safety." The man replies, "No, thank you. God will save me."

    Finally, the house collides with a bridge and the man is killed.

    In Heaven, he asks "God, why did you not save me?"

    God replies, "I sent you a man with a rope, and boat and a helicopter. What else did you want me to do?"


    I use this to remind people that someone's not going to do their work for them.
    They need to help themselves when the opportunity presents itself.

    Sitting around waiting for someone else to help you means that you will go no where.

    ... The best defense against logic is stupidity.
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Richard Falken on Tuesday, April 14, 2020 01:48:00
    On 04-13-20 06:47, Richard Falken <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Nice <=-

    Stay at home orders are helping flatten the curve on infections and
    deaths -- but Trump has yet to even advise such a national directive
    much less impose one. The states without such directives may soon
    become future hot spots.

    Something I wonder: if he had issued a Federal level
    directive two months ago, wouldn't Governors and partisans
    alike have eaten Trump's guts?

    Two months ago, i.e. Feb 14, would have been taken as too soon. The
    number of cases/deaths then was small.

    However, his experts were calling for such recomendations as soon as one
    month ago when the number of measured cases was 2770 and the number of
    deaths was 57 -- with both figures begining the rapid rise towards the
    current numbers of 586 thousand cases and 23 thousand deaths.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Aaron Thomas on Tuesday, April 14, 2020 20:37:19
    Hello Aaron,

    Even today, the president still does not have a plan in regards to
    the coronavirus pandemic. His incompetence in this matter is truly >LL>astounding.

    I don't know how it is for other Americans - but I've got access to testing.
    Access to a ventilator is at my Democratic governor's discretion.

    There needs to be a lot more testing, along with labs to analyze
    the results in a timely fashion. There are some 330 million Americans,
    and only around 100,000 have been tested. That tells us very little.

    You can praise South Korea or Japan all you want, but nobody is immune to
    this crisis, and no country on earth "has it under control."

    Donald Trump said he had it all "under control" and everybody
    laughed at him. But we all know he is a buffoon and never took
    him seriously to begin with.

    Vladimir Putin is catching a lot of heat from Russians over his
    comments concerning the virus. In fact, it could force him out of
    office. He had told the Russian people he had everything "under
    control" and now Moscow is flooded with COVID-19 patients. Maybe
    Mikhail Gorbachev can save him by coming out of retirement ...

    Trump owns this mess. All of it.

    Let's impeach him again. Congress still has NOTHING better to do.

    Nah. Mail-in balloting for president this November should do it.

    --Lee

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:267/150 to Lee Lofaso on Tuesday, April 14, 2020 23:16:01
    There needs to be a lot more testing, along with labs to analyze
    the results in a timely fashion. There are some 330 million Americans, and only around 100,000 have been tested. That tells us very little.

    It would be sweet if they would test everyone, door to door, but that kind of control doesn't exist, does it?

    Will you let Trump come to your door and test you?

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Aaron Thomas on Wednesday, April 15, 2020 19:26:34
    Hello Aaron,

    There needs to be a lot more testing, along with labs to analyze
    the results in a timely fashion. There are some 330 million
    Americans, and only around 100,000 have been tested. That tells LL>us very little.

    It would be sweet if they would test everyone, door to door, but that kind
    of control doesn't exist, does it?

    Worked for South Korea. Why is that a problem for the USA?

    Will you let Trump come to your door and test you?

    Hell no.

    --Lee

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:267/150 to Lee Lofaso on Wednesday, April 15, 2020 19:48:45
    Worked for South Korea. Why is that a problem for the USA?

    Will you let Trump come to your door and test you?

    Hell no.

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^ This is why it's a problem for the USA.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Thursday, April 16, 2020 01:00:06
    On 04-14-20 23:16, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Lee Lofaso about Re: Nice <=-


    There needs to be a lot more testing, along with labs to analyze
    the results in a timely fashion. There are some 330 million Americans, and only around 100,000 have been tested. That tells us very little.

    It would be sweet if they would test everyone, door to door, but that
    kind of control doesn't exist, does it?

    My state has drive through testing -- but only with a doctor's orders.
    There are not enough test kits to do it any other way. I.e. one has to
    be showing severe symptoms before they can get tested. Meanwhile they
    may well have infected many others without knowing.

    Will you let Trump come to your door and test you?

    I would prefer that he not set foot in my state. But if he did, he
    would have to wear a face mask.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Thursday, April 16, 2020 08:28:36
    On 16 Apr 2020, Dale Shipp said the following...

    On 04-14-20 23:16, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Lee Lofaso about Re: Nice <=-


    There needs to be a lot more testing, along with labs to analyze
    the results in a timely fashion. There are some 330 million American and only around 100,000 have been tested. That tells us very little.

    It would be sweet if they would test everyone, door to door, but that kind of control doesn't exist, does it?

    My state has drive through testing -- but only with a doctor's orders. There are not enough test kits to do it any other way. I.e. one has to
    be showing severe symptoms before they can get tested. Meanwhile they
    may well have infected many others without knowing.

    Will you let Trump come to your door and test you?

    I would prefer that he not set foot in my state. But if he did, he
    would have to wear a face mask.

    Of course some people prefer not accept change and to live with w/ high crime, and dirty cities. You might be used to it, as others obviously are.

    Perhaps if your state had more Republican leadership, things would improve greatly.

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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to Aaron Thomas on Friday, April 17, 2020 03:50:39
    On 13 Apr 2020 at 02:00p, Aaron Thomas pondered and said...

    Let's impeach him again. Congress still has NOTHING better to do.

    Good idea! Especially since he's now threatened to
    basically disband congress.

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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to Gregory Deyss on Friday, April 17, 2020 04:03:13
    On 16 Apr 2020 at 08:28a, Gregory Deyss pondered and said...

    Of course some people prefer not accept change and to live with w/ high crime, and dirty cities. You might be used to it, as others obviously
    are.

    Perhaps if your state had more Republican leadership, things would
    improve greatly.

    If I wanted to live in a crime-ridden area covered with
    dirt and grime, I'd move to the country in a red-state.

    It's a fact that states with Democratic leadership have
    generally better stats in all major areas: lower unemployment,
    better access to education and healthcare, higher median
    incomes. For every buck and a quarter my state kicks to
    the federal government, we get back 85 cents. That is,
    we are _net_ exporters of money. Compare to Kentucky, which
    gets back a dollar for every 85c they kick in: this pattern
    repeats all over.

    If the right-wing were made to stop sucking on the federal
    teat, they'd be way worse off.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:267/150 to Dan Cross on Thursday, April 16, 2020 21:11:34
    Let's impeach him again. Congress still has NOTHING better to do.

    Good idea! Especially since he's now threatened to
    basically disband congress.

    You're hilarious! What's "basically" mean? That he didn't really say it?

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:267/150 to Dan Cross on Thursday, April 16, 2020 21:13:40
    It's a fact that states with Democratic leadership have
    generally better stats in all major areas: lower unemployment,

    But you said you're not a Democrat - why not then?

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Friday, April 17, 2020 00:34:00
    On 04-16-20 08:28, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Nice <=-

    Of course some people prefer not accept change and to live
    with w/ high crime,
    and dirty cities. You might be used to it, as others obviously are.

    I do not know why you think that people might prefer to live in high
    crime and/or dirty cities. If that is where they live, they probably
    have very little choice.

    Perhaps if your state had more Republican leadership, things would
    improve greatly.

    My state's Republican Governor is doing quite well with respect to the
    current covid crisis, much better than Trump is doing. The same is true
    of many Democratic Governors I could name.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dan Cross on Friday, April 17, 2020 07:30:30
    Let's impeach him again. Congress still has NOTHING better to do.

    Good idea! Especially since he's now threatened to
    basically disband congress.

    If progress is positive, what is congress?

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dan Cross on Friday, April 17, 2020 08:03:45
    On 17 Apr 2020, Dan Cross said the following...

    It's a fact that states with Democratic leadership have
    generally better stats in all major areas:

    Apparently you have not been to San Francisco, California
    since it has become a shit-hole.
    It could be a expedition w/ a education;
    You may begin to have the understanding, just how wrong you have been.

    It does not matter as you're going to continue to live in a dream world.
    Some like to be led instead of leading, of which is your prerogative.

    Your going to disagree with me and / or twist and / or take out of context anything that I have to say. So It's much easier for me to agree to disagree.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Friday, April 17, 2020 08:15:23
    On 17 Apr 2020, Dale Shipp said the following...

    I do not know why you think that people might prefer to live in high
    crime and/or dirty cities. If that is where they live, they probably
    have very little choice.

    There is a always a choice.

    Perhaps if your state had more Republican leadership, things would improve greatly.

    My state's Republican Governor is doing quite well with respect to the current covid crisis, much better than Trump is doing. The same is true of many Democratic Governors I could name.

    Glad to hear that your state is doing well.

    You - How are you doing? Doing well? As we all wait for the curve to be flatted, and life to return to what we remember as normal.

    I have been working from home since March 17th

    As far as naming a who's who with great Democratic Governors.
    Andrew Cuomo would NOT appear on any just list that speaks of praise.

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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to Aaron Thomas on Saturday, April 18, 2020 03:46:55
    On 16 Apr 2020 at 09:11p, Aaron Thomas pondered and said...

    Let's impeach him again. Congress still has NOTHING better to do

    Good idea! Especially since he's now threatened to
    basically disband congress.

    You're hilarious! What's "basically" mean? That he didn't really say it?

    https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/493253-trump-faces-roadblocks-with-threat-t o-adjourn-congress

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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to Aaron Thomas on Saturday, April 18, 2020 03:48:23
    On 16 Apr 2020 at 09:13p, Aaron Thomas pondered and said...

    It's a fact that states with Democratic leadership have
    generally better stats in all major areas: lower unemployment,

    But you said you're not a Democrat - why not then?

    That's right; I'm registered unaffiliated. I think both
    of the major parties suck; one just sucks infinitely more
    than the other. Doesn't mean I feel the need to join the
    one that sucks less.

    The GOP has sold its soul in the name of power, though.
    There was a time when you could have an intelligent policy
    conversation with a conservative; now, conservatives are
    few and far between and they've been replaced by right-wing
    extremists.

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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to Gregory Deyss on Saturday, April 18, 2020 03:52:07
    On 17 Apr 2020 at 07:30a, Gregory Deyss pondered and said...

    If progress is positive, what is congress?

    You get your commie check yet? Nope; it's been
    delayed because Dear Leader needs his name on it.

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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to Gregory Deyss on Saturday, April 18, 2020 03:58:16
    On 17 Apr 2020 at 08:03a, Gregory Deyss pondered and said...

    Apparently you have not been to San Francisco, California
    since it has become a shit-hole.

    I was in San Fransisco last summer running a conference.
    I thought it was very pleasant overall. Are there some
    bad parts? Sure.

    But clearly you've never been in a trailer park in
    Pennsylvania. Talk about a shit-hole!

    It could be a expedition w/ a education;
    You may begin to have the understanding, just how wrong you have been.

    Every been in a trailer park in South Carolina? Ever
    seen Logan Co, WV?

    Talk about shitholes!

    It does not matter as you're going to continue to live in a dream world.

    Ever seen some of the former coal regions in Ohio
    and Kentucky? Ever seen people doing heroin in
    Middletown Ohio? Seen the meth labs in Tennessee?

    Some like to be led instead of leading, of which is your prerogative.

    Yeah. You'd prefer fealty to a five-time draft
    dodger, thrice-divorced life-long conman and grifter
    who was raw-dogging a porn star a month after his
    latest trophy wife popped out his most recent kid
    as long as it lets you live in your world of delusions
    that the right-wing is somehow morally superior and
    more successful than "The Left".

    Keep dreaming.

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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to Gregory Deyss on Saturday, April 18, 2020 04:05:38
    On 17 Apr 2020 at 08:03a, Gregory Deyss pondered and said...

    Your going to disagree with me and / or twist and / or take out of
    context anything that I have to say. So It's much easier for me to agree to disagree.

    Yeah, that old "agree to disagree" dog just don't hunt
    anymore. Reality has crashed through the web of right-wing
    lies, leaving their gossamer strands to sway in the wind
    of truth. You aren't "agreeing to disagree" with an
    opinion, you're stating that you reject fact and basic
    truth. It was cute before it turned deadly; now it's an
    existential threat to human existence on this planet.

    You can continue to try and traffic in delusion and lies,
    but don't expect to continue to do so without rebuttal and
    push-back.

    It's interesting to watch some of the lies that have
    already whithered in the light of truth just disappear
    from the right-wing talking points:

    1. It's all Obama's fault! (Gone under the weight of overwhelming
    undeniable and unerasable evidence that it's a flat out lie)
    2. Hydroxychloroquine will save us! (Debunked by scientists)
    3. It's all a politically motivated hoax and not serious.
    (Tell that to 30,000 dead Americans)
    4. Trump's doing an amazing job! (Shifted to blaming the states, China, WHO)
    5. It's not a big deal! (See 3)
    6. Trump was the bringer of unparalleled prosperity! (Gone in
    three weeks)

    What else?

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:267/150 to Dan Cross on Friday, April 17, 2020 21:15:38
    You're hilarious! What's "basically" mean? That he didn't really say

    https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/493253-trump-faces-roadblocks-with-thr o-adjourn-congress

    I sympathize with disabled Americans, and I don't mean this disrespectfully, but reporters who say "he floated the idea" have a form of autism where
    they're unable to understand sarcasm. The president does have a sarcastic
    sense of humor at times, and I feel bad for the reporters who take his silly comments as gospel.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:267/150 to Dan Cross on Friday, April 17, 2020 21:23:00
    There was a time when you could have an intelligent policy
    conversation with a conservative; now, conservatives are

    It seems like we're trying to shock each other with heavy doses of our political philosophies. Not Trump's fault. Not Obama's fault. It's the
    policies fault.

    I want illegals deported because I've been threatened by them in the past,
    and I don't like their barbaric, murderous ways.

    You want illegals to be given medicare because not only did they not threaten you, but you're a tough war veteran who ain't scared of nothin.

    Policies should already be made & enforced on this issue, so there is no opportunity for us to argue about it. We welcome them or we send them packing
    - government should tell how it's gonna be - and they should tell us the
    answer years ago.

    Failure to get stuff settled leaves people like us arguing to the best of our ability for what we think is right - and it's not even our job to do so - as long as we vote.

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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to Aaron Thomas on Sunday, April 19, 2020 08:56:49
    On 17 Apr 2020 at 09:15p, Aaron Thomas pondered and said...

    You're hilarious! What's "basically" mean? That he didn't really

    https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/493253-trump-faces-roadblocks-wit o-adjourn-congress

    I sympathize with disabled Americans, and I don't mean this disrespectfully, but reporters who say "he floated the idea" have a form of autism where they're unable to understand sarcasm. The president does have a sarcastic sense of humor at times, and I feel bad for the
    reporters who take his silly comments as gospel.

    How about his calls for armed insurrection in three
    states with duly elected democratic governors?

    Trump is a tool. You clearly have TDS.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Aaron Thomas on Sunday, April 19, 2020 02:26:01
    Hello Aaron,

    There was a time when you could have an intelligent policy
    conversation with a conservative; now, conservatives are

    It seems like we're trying to shock each other with heavy doses of our >political philosophies. Not Trump's fault. Not Obama's fault. It's the >policies fault.

    I want illegals deported because I've been threatened by them in the past,
    and I don't like their barbaric, murderous ways.

    My grandfather arrived in this country as an infant. He put up
    a real fight with everybody and forced them to let him stay.
    Really. That baby was tougher than Rocky Marciano and threw a
    whale of punch ...

    --Lee

    --
    As Good As It Looks

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  • From TIM RICHARDSON@1:123/140 to GREGORY DEYSS on Saturday, April 18, 2020 16:17:00
    On 04-09-20, DALE SHIPP said to GREGORY DEYSS:


    If I was the president and someone asked me if I was trying to make
    money off the anti-malaria drug, I'd tell them as
    nicely as I can tha
    they need to kiss my butt.


    Except that there is mounting evidence that he may well be either making money directly or helping out a large campaign contributor by touting
    that drug.


    From `Days That End In `Y';


    "If you could eliminate Covid-19 by sacrificing one human being...
    who would it be and why did you choose Nancy Pelosi?"

    ---
    *Durango b301 #PE*
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  • From TIM RICHARDSON@1:123/140 to GREGORY DEYSS on Saturday, April 18, 2020 17:18:00
    On 04-09-20, GREGORY DEYSS said to DAN CROSS:

    On 10 Apr 2020, Dan Cross said the following...

    Your assertion that she might have suffered further or died
    had she _not_ taken that drug similarly: there's no evidence
    for that.


    From `Days That End In `Y'.....


    "This survey from the Chinese Communist Party just in:


    1. Our actions have been flawless.

    2. Everything is entirely under control.

    3. You, the adoring masses, bask in a state
    of perpetual bliss."

    ---
    *Durango b301 #PE*
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  • From TIM RICHARDSON@1:123/140 to DALE SHIPP on Saturday, April 18, 2020 19:07:00
    On 04-10-20, DALE SHIPP said to AARON THOMAS:

    On 04-09-20 00:06, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Nice <=-


    You are so off base, it is not funny.


    You are a typical democrat cheer leader with your head firmly planted up Pelosi's ass.


    No one wants Trump to fail any
    more than he already has.


    Trump hasn't `failed'. The democrat dog dirt in congress have tried every
    which way to destroy his presidency since the day he took office.


    If he fails, even more Americans will die.


    No Americans have `died' because of Trump.


    It
    is bad that he failed to recognize the problem sooner and begin DS>preventive measures then.


    And you are a bald faced liar!


    Lets trace this timeline a bit;


    November 17 2019; The first case of covid 19 occurs in Wuhan, China according to the South China Morning Post.


    December 10; Some chinese national selling goods at Wuhan's `wet market' fell sick on this day.


    December 27; A chinese doctor at some Chinese hospital sounds alarm about new desease that has already6 affected 180 patients.


    December 26-30; The first evidence of a new virus is revealed through Wuhan patient data.


    December 31; More than a month after the first incident of covid-19, Chinese officials alert the WHO China office about "...pneumonia with an unknown cause affecting people in Wuhan..."


    Chinese authorities begin censoring all terms related to the virus on social media...and anything critical to the Chinese governments response to the outbreak.


    January 1, 2020; Eight doctors are detained by Chinese authorities,
    questioned, and condemned for "making false statements on the internet" (according to CNN, no less!) One, Dr Wenlaing, is forced to write a letter stating his warnings "had a negative impact."


    January 3; China's National Health Commission issued a gag order and ordered all samples involved moved to designated testing sites or destroyed.


    January 5; Wuhan Municiple Health stopped releasing daily updates on new
    cases.


    During all this time....while things on the Corona-19 virus were heating up... Democrats were busy in the Senate..lying....suppressing evidence...making
    fools of themselves trying to get Trump convicted.


    January 11, 2020; Chinese media report the first known death from an illness originating in the Wuhan market.


    January 15: Pelosi holds a vote on sending articles of impeachment to Senate. The `commemorative pen' handout takes place.


    January 21; The first person with coronavirus arrives in the US from China; that person had also visited Wuhan.


    January 23; The house `impeachment' managers make their opening arguments for removing president Trump.


    January 23; China closes off the city of Wuhan completely to slow the spread
    of coronavirus to the rest of China.


    January 30; Senators begin asking two days of questions of both sides in the presidents impeachment trial.


    January 30; The World Health Organization declares a global health emergency
    as coronavirus continues to spread.


    January 31; The senate holds a vote on whether to allow further witnesses and documents in the impeachment trial.


    January 31; President Trump declares a national health emergency and imposes a travel ban to and from China. Joe Biden calls Trump's decision "hysterical xenophobia...and fear mongering"....


    February 2; The first death outside China from coronavirus is reported in the Phillipians.


    February 3; House impeachment managers begin closing arguments, and call Trump a threat to national security.


    February 4; President Trump raised the possible threat from coronavirus in his State of The Union speech. Democrat dog dirt Pelosi (forgive the redundancy) tore it up!


    February 5; The Senate votes to acquit the president on both counts of impeachment.


    February 5; The democrats finally take up the coronavirus in the House Foreign Affairs Subcommittee on Asia.


    For twenty days the democrats did nothing on coronavirus. Zip!


    They were busy with their impeachment trial. BTW...Pelosi delayed sending the articles of impeachment over to the Senate for several weeks!


    And by the way....you don't have the slightest idea what `they should have done'......you aren't a doctor; nor a medical expert; or a researcher of any kind. You're just another goddamn democrat!


    From "Days that End In `Y'!.....


    "Joe Biden's mind is like a web browser; 19 tabs are open, 17 are frozen, and he has no idea where the music is coming from!"



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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Dan Cross on Sunday, April 19, 2020 14:46:32
    Hello Dan,

    How about his calls for armed insurrection in three
    states with duly elected democratic governors?

    At least Abraham Lincoln only targeted those in the South.

    Trump is a tool. You clearly have TDS.

    Trump is now a resident of Florida.
    Now that the governor of Florida has opened the beaches,
    he can move the White House to Mar-a-Lago and pretend oh
    I should not be giving that man any new ideas ...

    --Lee

    --
    Sleep With Someone New

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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to TIM RICHARDSON on Wednesday, April 22, 2020 02:42:35
    On 18 Apr 2020 at 05:18p, TIM RICHARDSON pondered and said...

    1. Our actions have been flawless.

    "It's incredible how we've done."
    "We've done a hell of a job; nobody's done the job
    we've done."
    Donald Trump - Mar 25, 2020

    2. Everything is entirely under control.

    "We have it totally under control."
    "It's just one person coming in from China. We
    have it under control. It's going to be just fine."
    Donald Trump - Jan 22, 2020

    3. You, the adoring masses, bask in a state
    of perpetual bliss."

    "I've had great 'ratings' my whole life, there's
    nothing unusual about that for me. The White House
    News Conference ratings are 'through the roof' (Monday
    Night Football, Bachelor Finale, @nytimes) but I don't
    care about that. I care about going around the Fake
    News to the PEOPLE!"
    Donald Trump - Apr 21, 2020

    There's a tweet for everything.

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  • From Dan Cross@3:770/100 to Dan Cross on Wednesday, April 22, 2020 12:46:53
    On 11 Apr 2020 at 09:45a, Dan Cross pondered and said...

    On 09 Apr 2020 at 06:31p, Gregory Deyss pondered and said...
    Where as your assertion is not remotely logical, which is, she would gotten better all by herself by doing nothing. It is ludicrous to eve debate with me over this. We have all seen that this virus is a beast that kills, as it has already killed thousands, but there you sit smu and determined to be right. I did not say these things, this is what woman has declared. I know that burns your ass so badly you can hardl wait to respond, of which is very ignorant.

    Yes, it kills; indiscriminately even. But between 1%
    and 3% of those who contract it.

    But there's no evidence that hydroxychloroquine is an
    effective treatment for it. If you have actual evidence,
    by all means share it. If it's _actual_ evidence and
    it's been verified, I'll admit I'm wrong.

    And now we have a randomized controlled trial with some
    data about this. The results are sad: the group that
    took hydroxychloroquine had a 28% fatality rate versus
    12% in the control group. There was no difference in
    who needed a ventilator, though a group given both
    hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin did have lower
    ventilation rates, but 22% fatality rate.

    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.16.20065920v1.full.pdf

    An earlier study out of Brazil studying the efects
    of chloroquine was partially halted after 25% of
    participants were observed showing signs of heart
    arrhythmia.

    https://apnews.com/f69fd1607a097d8a55bb1ad9fff78e7b

    So yeah. Dr Trump's magic snakeoil is not only
    ineffective, it's lethal.

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