• Well said, Mr. President

    From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to All on Wednesday, May 22, 2019 20:06:35
    Meanwhile in the Rose Garden...
    President Trump said the following.
    "of the 19 people that were heading up this investigation or whatever you wanna call it with Bob Mueller, they were contributors to the democratic party most of them to Hillary Clinton. They hated President Trump, they hated him with a passion they went to her big party after the election that turned out to be a wake, not a party, it was a wake and they were very angry."

    I do not blame the man, for pulling back slightly from infrastructure.

    They tried to get him with phony dossiers.
    They tried to get him with phony permissions via a fisa court.
    Even with the help from the "Fake News" Media.
    They FAILED!

    Enough! with the intent with calls for impeachment, that boat has sailed. After years of wasted time and money it was determined that there was NO Collusion and NO Obstruction, and yet they will not yield, for their next act they want to impeach on the grounds of a cover-up.

    Only thing is that the President said that he does not do cover-ups, and went on to state the ways that he has been completely transparent.
    (of which is a matter public record and can be verified.)

    The Democrats are creating their worse loss since it's founding day by day their shenanigans are being documented and recorded and all of it will come to bite them back, very soon.

    So do what is good for the country and all of our fellow Americans, and stop
    it with the BS and work with the President on infrastructure.
    Lets build America Great Again!

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Thursday, May 23, 2019 01:25:02
    On 05-22-19 20:06, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to All about Well said, Mr. President <=-


    Meanwhile in the Rose Garden...
    President Trump said the following.

    This speech was given after walking out on a scheduled meeting to
    discuss plans for improving the infrastructure.

    "of the 19 people that were heading up this investigation
    or whatever you wanna
    call it with Bob Mueller, they were contributors to the democratic
    party most of them to Hillary Clinton. They hated President Trump, they

    Actually most of them were either non political or replublicans.

    I do not blame the man, for pulling back slightly from infrastructure.

    He did not pull back slightly -- he stomped out and said -- play my way
    or I won't participate.

    They tried to get him with phony dossiers.

    Do you mean that dossier that has been mostly substatiated, and which
    has non of its claims dis-proven?

    years of wasted time and money it was determined that there was NO Collusion and NO Obstruction, and yet they will not yield, for their

    It was not determined that there was no obstruction -- Mueller's report documented evidence of at least ten instances for which Trump would have
    been charged if he were not a sitting President.

    next act they want to impeach on the grounds of a cover-up.

    Some want to impeach. But it is not there yet.

    Only thing is that the President said that he does not do cover-ups,

    But he does do cover-ups and issues multitudes of lies. His personal
    lawyer has gone to prison for participating in a cover-up that was done
    at the direction of Trump.

    and went on to state the ways that he has been completely transparent.
    (of which is a matter public record and can be verified.)

    Fat chance with that. If he were being transparent then he would have
    released his tax returns as he promised and which has been done by
    modern presidents and others in federal government. Instead he is
    stonewalling any attempts to allow Congress to do its legitmate
    oversight function. Some of those blocks have now been overturned by
    the courts.

    So do what is good for the country and all of our fellow Americans,
    and stop it with the BS and work with the President on infrastructure.

    They will work with him when he comes back to the table, instead of
    sulking out to the Rose Garden to deliver a political speech.

    Lets build America Great Again!

    Lets hope that there will be enough left of America after he is done
    with his wrecking ball destruction of it.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Thursday, May 23, 2019 07:30:08
    Actually most of them were either non political or replublicans.

    Yeah sure, non-political I do not believe that. If there is to be any truth to what your suggesting, then why did these folks made campaign donations to Hillary.. Which means they were political.

    I do not blame the man, for pulling back slightly from
    infrastructure. DS>
    He did not pull back slightly -- he stomped out and said -- play my way
    or I won't participate.

    The truth of the matter is was agreed upon that they would meet, as they did have this meeting pre-planned.

    However what is also true is that Nancy Pelosi called a meeting of her own before she lerch (Charles Schummer) were to meet the President.

    It was at this tea party of a meeting that Nancy was calling for the
    Presidents head and still harping and scheming to impeach the President.
    If someone does that, before a meeting that talks about infrastructure, does that sound like someone that is serious wanting to make a impact on the
    matter.

    What this shows and is clear, is that Nancy Pelosi wants to undermine the President and try not to allow the President or his administration to be successful.

    They tried to get him with phony dossiers.
    Do you mean that dossier that has been mostly substatiated, and which
    has non of its claims dis-proven?

    It has been known for quite quite sometime now that the dossier was totally
    and completely made up. None of it is remotely true, not even slightly.

    years of wasted time and money it was determined that there was NO Collusion and NO Obstruction, and yet they will not yield, for their

    It was not determined that there was no obstruction -- Mueller's report documented evidence of at least ten instances for which Trump would have been charged if he were not a sitting President.

    It also says within the 400+ pages there was
    No Collusion and No Obstruction - perhaps you read it.

    They will work with him when he comes back to the table, instead of sulking out to the Rose Garden to deliver a political speech.

    Did you watch his speech?
    His remarks where to the point and clear.

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Gregory Deyss on Thursday, May 23, 2019 09:54:30
    On 2019 May 23 07:30:08, you wrote to Dale Shipp:

    It was not determined that there was no obstruction -- Mueller's
    report documented evidence of at least ten instances for which Trump
    would have been charged if he were not a sitting President.

    It also says within the 400+ pages there was No Collusion and No Obstruction - perhaps you read it.

    the only occurances of "no collusion" in that document are quotes from others... the report, itself, does not state there was no collusion...

    the phrase "no obstruction" does not appear in the document at all...

    the two volume pdf is here...

    https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf

    have *you* read it? from your writings, it seems not... from your writings, you're swimming nostril deep in the koolaid...

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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to Gregory Deyss on Thursday, May 23, 2019 09:32:23
    So do what is good for the country and all of our fellow Americans, and stop it with the BS and work with the President on infrastructure.
    Lets build America Great Again!

    Sometimes a person (or people) go on a negative thought rampage. Someone
    ruined their birthday party, so they let that ruin all their days, and they even try to ruin everything for everyone else too.

    What these democrats (and other negative thinkers) need to do is leave all
    the negativity in the past, and think about ways to serve their citizens (not serving them negativity) with the tools that they still have.

    Nasty Nancy (sounds cute) is afraid to negotiate with the president because
    she doesn't want to look weak, but that attitude is what makes her weak.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to mark lewis on Thursday, May 23, 2019 18:19:44
    On 23 May 2019, mark lewis said the following...


    On 2019 May 23 07:30:08, you wrote to Dale Shipp:

    It was not determined that there was no obstruction -- Mueller's
    report documented evidence of at least ten instances for which Trump
    would have been charged if he were not a sitting President.

    What is the point of that, might of well come out and say it. I would if you were not the President. More to the point if he was not President NONE of the non-sense would of happened, we would have a REAL criminal in the
    White house.

    There were crimes committed by the Democrats, it will be exposed and all
    see the Truth... It's just a matter of time.

    have *you* read it? from your writings, it seems not... from your writings, you're swimming nostril deep in the koolaid...

    Drink Up and don't spill any of that koolaid...
    Robert Mueller's report does NOT say that the President Obstructed or
    committed Collusion either.
    If it did things would be vastly different today, but you knew that already.

    The following are Robert Mueller's words not mine.

    On Obstruction
    "Our Investigation found multiple acts by the President that were capable of exerting undue influence over law enforcement investigations including the Russian-interference and obstruction investigations ... The President efforts to influence the investigation were mostly unsuccessful, but that is
    largely because the persons who surrounded the President declined to carry to carry out orders or accede to his requests."

    On Collusion
    "While the investigation identified numerous links between individuals with ties to the Russian government and individuals associated with Trump
    Campaign the evidence was not sufficient to support criminal charges."

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to aaron thomas on Thursday, May 23, 2019 18:34:16
    On 23 May 2019, aaron thomas said the following...

    What these democrats (and other negative thinkers) need to do is leave
    all the negativity in the past, and think about ways to serve their citizens (not serving them negativity) with the tools that they still have.

    I personally commend the President, for his stance. I would of done exactly
    the same; without change. I would not work with this Witch either, until
    these investigations stop. I mean lets take a look at the facts here.
    Your all set to meet with the President to discuss infrastructure and before that is even underway you undermine the President looking for more ways that you can impeach him, give it rest! Hasn't the country been through enough?

    Spent 2 years and many millions of dollars that produced many millions more of inked up paper and what for?
    What did it prove? Not a GD thing.

    Nasty Nancy (sounds cute) is afraid to negotiate with the president because she doesn't want to look weak, but that attitude is what makes
    her weak.

    What is up with her dentures, by the way? Just askin?...
    you would think that a person that has that much money would be able to get
    a set the fits.

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Gregory Deyss on Thursday, May 23, 2019 20:14:26
    On 2019 May 23 18:19:44, you wrote to me:

    It was not determined that there was no obstruction -- Mueller's
    report documented evidence of at least ten instances for which
    Trump
    would have been charged if he were not a sitting President.

    What is the point of that, might of well come out and say it.

    i didn't write the above... DS did...

    have *you* read it? from your writings, it seems not... from your
    writings, you're swimming nostril deep in the koolaid...

    Drink Up and don't spill any of that koolaid...

    i don't swim in your pool... what i did do was to counter your claims of what the mueller report did say and i did it truthfully... it only took a few seconds to scan the document to find a distinct lack of that verbiage you said was in there... not only did it counter your claim but it also countered trump's and his cohorts as well...

    keep swimming...

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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to Gregory Deyss on Thursday, May 23, 2019 22:57:29
    I personally commend the President, for his stance. I would of done exactly the same; without change. I would not work with this Witch

    I also commend him. I'm short tempered; I would've gone berserk if she did
    that to me. I've been in situations before when people try to start a conversation by insulting me, and it's not productive!

    Spent 2 years and many millions of dollars that produced many millions more of inked up paper and what for?
    What did it prove? Not a GD thing.

    $35 million dollars is money that could change lives; it could've been used
    in a more rewarding way. That would be enough money to house all the illegal immigrants in America, and to give them all silver spoons. I hope the handout seekers all take note of this.

    What is up with her dentures, by the way? Just askin?...
    you would think that a person that has that much money would be able to get a set the fits.

    The answer lies in the foundation; look what they've been mounted to. It's
    like trying to drill a hole in the bottom of a sandcastle.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Friday, May 24, 2019 01:30:00
    On 05-23-19 07:30, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Well said, Mr. Presid <=-


    Actually most of them were either non political or republicans.

    Yeah sure, non-political I do not believe that. If there is to be any truth to what your suggesting, then why did these folks made campaign donations to Hillary.. Which means they were political.

    Some may have made campaign donations -- to either party. That does not
    mean that they were democrats, nor that whatever political affiliation
    they had impacted their work ( and the Justice Department IG said
    exactly that about the two who were removed because of some tweets).
    Plus, Robert Mueller is a Republican/

    I do not blame the man, for pulling back slightly from
    infrastructure. DS>

    He did not pull back slightly -- he stomped out and said -- play my way
    or I won't participate.

    The truth of the matter is was agreed upon that they would meet, as
    they did have this meeting pre-planned.

    The meeting was planned, but he did not even bother to sit down before
    leaving and giving his Rose Garden speech dinigrating the Democrats.
    The Democrats were there to work on the infrastructure deal -- he was
    not.

    However what is also true is that Nancy Pelosi called a meeting of
    her own before she lerch (Charles Schummer) were to meet the President.

    Your point is? Pelosi is a busy woman and can multi task on items.

    It was at this tea party of a meeting that Nancy was calling for the Presidents head and still harping and scheming to impeach the
    President. If someone does that, before a meeting that talks about infrastructure, does that sound like someone that is serious wanting to make a impact on the matter.

    Pelosi had to convince her caucus *not* to call for impeachment at this
    time. She was not "calling for his head".

    What this shows and is clear, is that Nancy Pelosi wants to undermine
    the President and try not to allow the President or his administration
    to be successful.

    She will not allow him to get away with the shenangands he has been
    pulling.


    They tried to get him with phony dossiers.
    Do you mean that dossier that has been mostly substatiated, and which
    has non of its claims dis-proven?

    It has been known for quite quite sometime now that the dossier was totally and completely made up. None of it is remotely true, not even slightly.

    WRONG. Members of the intelligence community have testified that parts
    of it have been substatiated.

    years of wasted time and money it was determined that there was NO Collusion and NO Obstruction, and yet they will not yield, for their

    It was not determined that there was no obstruction -- Mueller's report documented evidence of at least ten instances for which Trump would have been charged if he were not a sitting President.

    It also says within the 400+ pages there was
    No Collusion and No Obstruction - perhaps you read it.

    Yes I did read it. It seems that you are accepting Barr's synopsis of
    it without judging for yourself. Nearly a thousand former federal
    attorneys and other legal experts have signed a statement that what is
    laid out in Mueller's report would be grounds for inditment except for
    Justice policy which says that a sitting president cannot be indited for
    a criminal offense *while in office*.

    They will work with him when he comes back to the table, instead of sulking out to the Rose Garden to deliver a political speech.

    Did you watch his speech?
    His remarks where to the point and clear.

    And slanted, and self serving.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Friday, May 24, 2019 07:14:32
    On 24 May 2019, Dale Shipp said the following...

    Some may have made campaign donations -- to either party. That does not mean that they were democrats, nor that whatever political affiliation they had impacted their work ( and the Justice Department IG said
    exactly that about the two who were removed because of some tweets).
    Plus, Robert Mueller is a Republican/

    Quote from the President
    "of the 19 people that were heading up this investigation or whatever you wanna call it with Bob Muller they were contributors to the democratic party most of them and to Hillary Clinton they hated President Trump, they hated
    him with a passion they went to her big party after the election that turned out to be a wake. not a party, it was a wake and they were very angry."

    So Bob Mueller is a Republican, and?... (Yeah I know what you are implying)
    but he's a Republican, and he still did what he did to the President.
    The left uses that phrase - all the time like it underscores and explains
    his deeds. If you knew what I know about Mr. Integrity, you would not even mention his name.

    He did not pull back slightly -- he stomped out and said -- play my w or I won't participate.

    Wrong!
    Bottom line is this - He is not going to work with the democrats on anything including infrastructure, when there is a on-going attempt of impeachment and impeachment attempts.

    However what is also true is that Nancy Pelosi called a meeting of her own before she lerch (Charles Schummer) were to meet the Presiden

    Your point is? Pelosi is a busy woman and can multi task on items.

    It was at this tea party of a meeting that Nancy was calling for the Presidents head and still harping and scheming to impeach the President. If someone does that, before a meeting that talks about infrastructure, does that sound like someone that is serious wanting make a impact on the matter.

    Pelosi had to convince her caucus *not* to call for impeachment at this time. She was not "calling for his head".

    Then quiet these rabid dogs, before they destroy your party.
    Last Warning you will receive.

    She will not allow him to get away with the shenangands he has been pulling.

    There is NONE -- remember the 2 year investigation. -- That found nothing significant. now it's a POST INVESTIGATION it's done & it is time to move on.

    Here's a question who holds her accountable for her shenanigans.

    It has been known for quite quite sometime now that the dossier was totally and completely made up. None of it is remotely true, not eve slightly.

    WRONG. Members of the intelligence community have testified that parts
    of it have been substatiated.

    It's totally fake just the connect dots.
    if you can not do that then look at this.
    The making of the Steele dossier
    http://tiny.cc/8kz76y

    People who for the past two years have known, quote, unquote, that they were gonna get Donald Trump. They have known it. They have trusted it. They have relied on it. They have believed it. They have gone to bed every night and awoken every morning believing that was going to be the day where the bombshell report was discovered that would send Donald Trump packing back down to Trump Tower once and for all.

    That day never came, and now it won't. They have realized it, and they are melting down here throughout the entirety of the Drive-By Media. Thousands of people are losing their minds because they were dead set certain that they either individually or collectively were going to get Donald Trump.

    And they threw all of their marbles into the Mueller investigation, and the Mueller investigation has, at the end of the day, let them down.

    Did you watch his speech?
    His remarks where to the point and clear.

    And slanted, and self serving.

    You have your head shoved so far up the lefty delusional democrats - backside, that you have lost your ability to see or hear what the man said.

    I remember quite clearly the President indicating that he opened everything up, let them whatever they wanted. including 30 hours of WH counsel testifying.
    and still found nothing.

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to aaron thomas on Friday, May 24, 2019 14:02:14
    On 2019 May 23 22:57:28, you wrote to Gregory Deyss:

    Spent 2 years and many millions of dollars that produced many
    millions more of inked up paper and what for? What did it prove? Not
    a GD thing.

    $35 million dollars is money that could change lives; it could've been used in a more rewarding way.

    "So Far, $1.57 Billion for Wall Yields 1.7 Miles of Fence"

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-05-21/federal-wall-funding-of-1-57 -billion-yields-1-7-miles-of-fence

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Dale Shipp on Friday, May 24, 2019 14:03:38
    On 2019 May 24 01:30:00, you wrote to Gregory Deyss:

    It also says within the 400+ pages there was No Collusion and No
    Obstruction - perhaps you read it.

    Yes I did read it. It seems that you are accepting Barr's synopsis of
    it without judging for yourself.

    the Wizard's First Rule is in serious play...

    Wizard's First Rule: people are stupid.
    "People are stupid; given proper motivation, almost anyone will
    believe almost anything. Because people are stupid, they will
    believe a lie because they want to believe it's true, or because
    they are afraid it might be true. People's heads are full of
    knowledge, facts, and beliefs, and most of it is false, yet they
    think it all true. People are stupid; they can only rarely tell
    the difference between a lie and the truth, and yet they are
    confident they can, and so are all the easier to fool."

    mr. trump is today's Darken Rahl... people need an enemy to feel a sense of purpose. it is easy to lead people when they have a sense of purpose. sense of purpose is more important, by far, than the truth. truth has no bearing on this. he is providing people with an enemy, other than himself, a sense of purpose. people are stupid; they want to believe, so they do.


    liberally taken from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wizard%27s_First_Rule

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to GREGORY DEYSS on Friday, May 24, 2019 10:31:00
    On Collusion
    "While the investigation identified numerous links between individuals with ties to the Russian government and individuals associated with Trump
    Campaign the evidence was not sufficient to support criminal charges."

    Like the Clintons never talked to the Vietnamese, or Russians. There were Russian interests that supported Hillary early in her campaign, too. I
    don't really see a difference, other than one of them lost and her supporters/fellow party members are still crying over the milk being
    spilled.

    My point is, you could make the same statement above and substitute
    "Clinton" for "Trump" and have an equally true statement.

    Mike

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to GREGORY DEYSS on Friday, May 24, 2019 10:59:00
    Spent 2 years and many millions of dollars that produced many millions more of >inked up paper and what for?
    What did it prove? Not a GD thing.

    The fact that the Democrats have continued on with this tells me one thing.
    We are about 18 months from an election. They could drop this,
    concentrate on a decent platform that would get them elected, and then
    pursue it after he is out of office. However, since they are continuing
    with it, I am left to beleive that the whole of their platform for 2020 is going to be "Beat Trump."

    Sorry, that is not a platform, that is being lazy and out of actual good
    ideas.

    Mike

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to DALE SHIPP on Friday, May 24, 2019 10:45:00
    The meeting was planned, but he did not even bother to sit down before leaving and giving his Rose Garden speech dinigrating the Democrats.
    The Democrats were there to work on the infrastructure deal -- he was
    not.
    However what is also true is that Nancy Pelosi called a meeting of
    her own before she lerch (Charles Schummer) were to meet the President.
    Your point is? Pelosi is a busy woman and can multi task on items.

    If you and I had a meeting planned and, right before it was scheduled, I
    made some public statements insulting your character and integrity, I would
    not expect our scheduled meeting to go well. Matter of fact, if I knew you were as reactionary as the President, and we were on different sides, I
    could easily see doing that on purpose to get such a reaction and then
    blaming you for reacting in that manner.

    I do not think *either* of them were planning to talk infrastructure that
    day. Schummer may have been, but Nancy certainly was not, and I have
    doubts that Donald was, either.

    Pelosi had to convince her caucus *not* to call for impeachment at this
    time. She was not "calling for his head".

    This is correct for the past. From recent things said, I am not as sure.

    Mike

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Mike Powell on Friday, May 24, 2019 17:53:11
    On 24 May 2019, Mike Powell said the following...

    On Collusion
    "While the investigation identified numerous links between individuals w ties to the Russian government and individuals associated with Trump Campaign the evidence was not sufficient to support criminal charges."

    Like the Clintons never talked to the Vietnamese, or Russians. There
    were Russian interests that supported Hillary early in her campaign,
    too. I don't really see a difference, other than one of them lost and
    her supporters/fellow party members are still crying over the milk being spilled.

    My point is, you could make the same statement above and substitute "Clinton" for "Trump" and have an equally true statement.

    Right.
    The Russians have been doing this to everyone since the days the Iron
    Curtain was new, why is obvious to increase their radius of their sphere of influence on other countries.
    So what?
    I am sure that the United States does this too.
    Two of the biggest tigers of the world.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Mike Powell on Friday, May 24, 2019 18:04:31
    On 24 May 2019, Mike Powell said the following...

    Spent 2 years and many millions of dollars that produced many millions mo >inked up paper and what for?
    What did it prove? Not a GD thing.

    The fact that the Democrats have continued on with this tells me one thing. We are about 18 months from an election. They could drop this, concentrate on a decent platform that would get them elected, and then pursue it after he is out of office. However, since they are continuing with it, I am left to beleive that the whole of their platform for 2020
    is going to be "Beat Trump."

    Sorry, that is not a platform, that is being lazy and out of actual good ideas.

    Yeah but that is why Hillary lost because she was a lousy candidate, she offered a few ideas, but most of was how horrible her opponent was.

    She out she was wrong about Trump in a multitude of ways.
    Records broken and over and over again from unemployment across many
    different nationalities and demographics.
    Superior and balanced trade which was handled by amateurs across many administrations.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to GREGORY DEYSS on Friday, May 24, 2019 19:47:00
    I am sure that the United States does this too.
    Two of the biggest tigers of the world.

    There is now doubt that the US "gets involved" in the elections, and
    politics, of other countries.

    Mike

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Saturday, May 25, 2019 01:09:00
    On 05-24-19 07:14, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Well said, Mr. Presid <=-

    Quote from the President

    Your first mistake is believing what he says without some sort of
    independent verification.

    "of the 19 people that were heading up this investigation or whatever
    you wanna call it with Bob Muller they were contributors to the
    democratic party most of them and to Hillary Clinton they hated

    So Bob Mueller is a Republican, and?... (Yeah I know what you are implying) but he's a Republican, and he still did what he did to the President. The left uses that phrase - all the time like it
    underscores and explains his deeds. If you knew what I know about Mr. Integrity, you would not even mention his name.

    Just what is it that you know? I am close friends with someone who
    knows him personally, and who has worked with him. That friend gives
    Bob Mueller high praise, and confirms that he is a careful and truthful investigator.

    Bottom line is this - He is not going to work with the democrats on anything including infrastructure, when there is a on-going attempt of impeachment and impeachment attempts.

    So, he is going to just sit in his office and sulk? The members of
    Congress are quite willing to work on infrastructure with or without
    him.

    She will not allow him to get away with the shenangands he has been pulling.

    There is NONE -- remember the 2 year investigation. -- That found
    nothing significant. now it's a POST INVESTIGATION it's done & it is
    time to move on.

    If you believe that nothing significant was found, then you have not
    been paying attention and have not read the report. There have been
    multiple charges and convictions as a result of the special prosecuter's
    work.

    Here's a question who holds her accountable for her shenanigans.

    It has been known for quite quite sometime now that the dossier was totally and completely made up. None of it is remotely true,

    WRONG. Members of the intelligence community have testified that parts
    of it have been substatiated.

    It's totally fake just the connect dots.
    if you can not do that then look at this.
    The making of the Steele dossier
    http://tiny.cc/8kz76y

    That article gives a time line for the various reports that make up the
    Steele dossier. It does not give any evaluation as to the vericity of
    any one of them.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Saturday, May 25, 2019 01:31:02
    On 05-23-19 22:57, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Gregory Deyss about Re: Well said, Mr. Presid <=-


    I personally commend the President, for his stance. I would of done exactly the same; without change. I would not work with this Witch

    I also commend him. I'm short tempered; I would've gone berserk if she
    did that to me. I've been in situations before when people try to start
    a conversation by insulting me, and it's not productive!

    Just what was the insult in your mind? What I read that she had said at
    that meeting of the caucus was that The President was involved in a
    cover-up. That is not an insult -- it is the truth.

    OTOH, Trump has a habit of insulting anyone who is not directly alligned
    with him and pledging fealty to him. He invents dinigrating nicknames
    and other barbs.

    Spent 2 years and many millions of dollars that produced many millions more of inked up paper and what for?
    What did it prove? Not a GD thing.

    I believe it had about 40 criminal inditements and multiple jail
    sentences. That is something. And it documented at least ten occasions
    where Trump could be indited for obstruction once he leaves office.

    $35 million dollars is money that could change lives; it could've been used in a more rewarding way. That would be enough money to house all
    the illegal immigrants in America, and to give them all silver spoons.
    I hope the handout seekers all take note of this.

    A. I don't think it was quite that much money, but could be wrong.
    B. Since there are possibly as many as 11 million undocumented
    immigrants in America, that would not go very far to provide housing.
    C. The 16 billion that Trump wants for his ineffective wall would go a
    long way towards relief of immigrants.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Saturday, May 25, 2019 10:07:36
    On 25 May 2019, Dale Shipp said the following...

    Just what is it that you know? I am close friends with someone who
    knows him personally, and who has worked with him. That friend gives
    Bob Mueller high praise, and confirms that he is a careful and truthful investigator.

    Mueller held on to this for a minimum year and a half knowing there was no collusion, didn't report it. During that year and a half, this country is roiled like crazy. This country is in the throes of controversy, political divisions are ratcheting up, tensions are high, maybe higher than they've ever been since the Civil War, and there's one guy who could have ended it all, and he didn't Robert Mueller.

    Bottom line is this - He is not going to work with the democrats on anything including infrastructure, when there is a on-going attempt o impeachment and impeachment attempts.

    So, he is going to just sit in his office and sulk? The members of Congress are quite willing to work on infrastructure with or without
    him.

    That is something that I would expect coming from someone who is anti-Trump. Now that you did not disappoint, let me return the favor coming from a Trump Supporter and why it is bigger and so much better than stating he will sit and sulk.

    The President is going to release all of the documents of the coo, exposing them.

    It will also validate EVERYTHING that I ever said about the matter.

    It was a coo, It started before the Donald Trump and his wife rode down the escalator with Trump Tower. on June 16th.

    There were many people involved all connected with intent.
    I don't want to spoil it for you...

    They the "Democrats" should of let a sleeping dog lay, with the Mueller Report being completed, that should of been the end of it, but it did not end there because it did NOT produce the results that they were looking for.
    That is cold hard Truth - so they continue poking and making baseless claims.

    Until......

    The President says, I have heard and seen enough, it's time to expose these people. Show the American people what happened here and why.

    "Unleash the Kraken"
    " Release the documents"
    Act I
    Involves exposing the truth behind the the phony fisa warrant and the unmasking the people that were involved. to led to the spying. It is all connected.

    They "the players within the Democratic party" have already started to scurry like rats bumping into each other and even started with the finger pointing at each other as they begin the process that leads to self imploding.

    This is only the first step.
    There was much done within this coo, it involves many at the top of the FBI
    as well as the CIA, now no longer at the top of anything.

    There goose is cooked, and almost ready to ready to serve...

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Wednesday, May 29, 2019 08:44:22
    I personally commend the President, for his stance. I would of done exactly the same; without change. I would not work with this Witch

    I also commend him. I'm short tempered; I would've gone berserk if sh did that to me. I've been in situations before when people try to sta a conversation by insulting me, and it's not productive!

    Just what was the insult in your mind? What I read that she had said at that meeting of the caucus was that The President was involved in a cover-up. That is not an insult -- it is the truth.

    When people on your side of the isle screw up and do outright nasty things,
    you really shouldn't make excuses for it, it was a act that was purely and clearly seen as unproductive as well as arrogant.

    You going to meet with the President of the United States of America; the
    most powerful man in the world; and your going to try for a powerplay because you think you got skills. Give it up, nearly every word that comes out of
    HER mouth is an issue, as most of the time -controversial
    (food for the rabid dogs) that are her following.

    These people who follow her and hang on her every word, have a mental disease furthermore they are so bent and even propelled toward creating never ending chaos.

    Yet.... their efforts as well as their energy is wasted because Trump keeps making America Great with each and every day of his Presidency.

    Trump has a habit of insulting anyone who is not directly alligned
    with him and pledging fealty to him. He invents dinigrating nicknames
    and other barbs.

    As it turns out these names are accurate and are descriptive of the persons actions or in most cases their lack of action or even their lack of accountability.

    Take for example Elizabeth Pocahontas Warren.
    It just fits.

    Spent 2 years and many millions of dollars that produced many millions of inked up paper and what for? What did it prove? Not a GD thing.

    I believe it had about 40 criminal inditements and multiple jail
    sentences. That is something. And it documented at least ten occasions

    Sure there were indictments, but not one of them directed at any American Citizen, including the President of the United States; Donald J. Trump.

    B. Since there are possibly as many as 11 million undocumented
    immigrants in America, that would not go very far to provide housing.
    C. The 16 billion that Trump wants for his ineffective wall would go a long way towards relief of immigrants.

    I bet you would feel very differently, if we directed them all your house.

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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to mark lewis on Wednesday, May 29, 2019 10:21:21
    "So Far, $1.57 Billion for Wall Yields 1.7 Miles of Fence"

    That link isn't working. What are they talking about?

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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to Dale Shipp on Wednesday, May 29, 2019 11:14:47
    Just what was the insult in your mind? What I read that she had said at that meeting of the caucus was that The President was involved in a cover-up. That is not an insult -- it is the truth.

    So Nasty Nancy has you believing it to be the truth already? He hasn't been arrested, impeached, or formally charged yet- because being accused of making false accusations after the election won't even phase many democrat voters- they will appreciate the Trump-bashing and will forgive the false accusations.

    C. The 16 billion that Trump wants for his ineffective wall would go a long way towards relief of immigrants.

    When will Salvadoran tax payers start paying for my relief?

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  • From BOB ACKLEY@1:123/140 to MIKE POWELL on Wednesday, May 29, 2019 16:01:56
    I am sure that the United States does this too.
    Two of the biggest tigers of the world.

    There is now doubt that the US "gets involved" in the elections, and politics, of other countries.

    There is?

    The US has been "involved" in other countries' elections for decades,
    most blatantly in Iraq's in the early 2000s
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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to aaron thomas on Wednesday, May 29, 2019 18:25:02
    On 2019 May 29 10:21:20, you wrote to me:

    "So Far, $1.57 Billion for Wall Yields 1.7 Miles of Fence"

    That link isn't working. What are they talking about?

    it works perfectly fine... here's a shorter one...

    https://tinyurl.com/y2b2gw82

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to mark lewis on Wednesday, May 29, 2019 21:48:46
    it works perfectly fine... here's a shorter one...

    https://tinyurl.com/y2b2gw82

    Nothing more than a liberal hit piece, and their version of the truth, of
    which is NOT the real truth. It's the kind of thing I would expect from TicToc by Bloomberg is a global news network native to the social, mobile world, delivering general interest news video to the next generation of global leaders.

    Is that snappy music that is playing throughout suppose to make me focus?
    (I would guess, it does not work on conservatives.)

    This hit piece is total a disgrace.

    Trump facing backlash from land owners along U.S. Mexico border.

    * It's called Eminent Domain, and it has been used many times throughout U.S.
    * history, how do you think Eisenhower built his Interstate Highway system?
    * It could not of been done without eminent domain.

    2/3 (Two-Thirds of Americans are opposed to the President invoking the
    National Emergencies Act.

    * Piss off he's the President of the United States if he wants to involve such
    * an act to what is a National Emergency which is hordes of people violating
    * the sovereign rights of this nation.
    * I do not think the data is accurate anyway.. 2/3 (two-thirds of Americans?)
    * how about this, it is what they (The Left) wants us to believe.
    * So that WE sign on to their lunacy.

    Liberalism is a mental disease.

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Gregory Deyss on Wednesday, May 29, 2019 22:19:30
    On 2019 May 29 21:48:46, you wrote to me:

    it works perfectly fine... here's a shorter one...

    https://tinyurl.com/y2b2gw82

    Nothing more than a liberal hit piece,

    is everything that you don't agree with "liberal"?

    and their version of the truth, of which is NOT the real truth.

    says who? you?

    It's the kind of thing I would expect from TicToc by Bloomberg is a
    global news network native to the social, mobile world, delivering
    general interest news video to the next generation of global leaders.

    what? did you leave some word(s) out??

    Is that snappy music that is playing throughout suppose to make me
    focus? (I would guess, it does not work on conservatives.)

    what music? did you even read the article?

    Liberalism is a mental disease.

    same can be said for conservatism... you exhibit all the signs ;)

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to BOB ACKLEY on Wednesday, May 29, 2019 19:17:00
    There is no doubt that the US "gets involved" in the elections, and politics, of other countries.

    There is?

    The US has been "involved" in other countries' elections for decades,
    most blatantly in Iraq's in the early 2000s

    Sorry, typo. Fixed it. :)

    Mike

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to mark lewis on Wednesday, May 29, 2019 23:49:44
    Nothing more than a liberal hit piece,
    is everything that you don't agree with "liberal"?

    I know what a liberal smear job is when I see it.
    Quite easy to see, when your not 'one of them'.

    It's just another sad attempt to attract people who are not awake enough to realize that they are being lied to.

    The short phrase is "Fake News".

    I am immune to such trickery, in fact I see threw it and understand it for what its true purpose is, to deliberately deceive.

    and their version of the truth, of which is NOT the real truth. ml>
    says who? you?

    It's from Bloomberg, explanation is not necessary and neither is debate
    because you have already lost your argument before it has even begun.

    It's the kind of thing I would expect from TicToc by Bloomberg is a global news network native to the social, mobile world, delivering general interest news video to the next generation of global leaders.

    what? did you leave some word(s) out??

    I think not, as the description came from their own website.

    Liberalism is a mental disease.
    same can be said for conservatism... you exhibit all the signs ;)

    Yeah and it's called Winning!

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Thursday, May 30, 2019 01:08:00
    On 05-29-19 08:44, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Insults <=-

    These people who follow her and hang on her every word, have a mental disease furthermore they are so bent and even propelled toward creating never ending chaos.

    For a moment there I thought you were talking about the followers of
    Trump. It applies.

    Take for example Elizabeth Pocahontas Warren.
    It just fits.

    Yes, it just fits his level of mental ability.

    Spent 2 years and many millions of dollars that produced many millions of inked up paper and what for? What did it prove? Not a GD thing.

    I believe it had about 40 criminal indictments and multiple jail
    sentences. That is something. And it documented at least ten occasions

    Sure there were indictments, but not one of them directed at any
    American Citizen, including the President of the United States; Donald
    J. Trump.

    Since when did Manafort, Cohen, Papadopulus, Page, Flynn lose their
    American citizenship? And as was carefully explained in the report (you
    have read it all haven't you) -- The justice department cannot indict a
    sitting American President. But the report laid out the information and evidence that would allow him to be indited once he is no longer in
    office, or by Congress.

    C. The 16 billion that Trump wants for his ineffective wall would go a long way towards relief of immigrants.

    I bet you would feel very differently, if we directed them all your
    house.

    Actually, I live in a fairly diverse community -- many of them would be
    welcome here and would be assimilated on their way to becoming
    citizens.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to mark lewis on Thursday, May 30, 2019 08:22:32
    "So Far, $1.57 Billion for Wall Yields 1.7 Miles of Fence"

    That link isn't working. What are they talking about?

    Thanks, this one works.

    The headline is misleading; 1.7 miles has been constructed so far, with 80 miles to be constructed. It sounds good to me.

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Gregory Deyss on Thursday, May 30, 2019 11:40:06
    On 2019 May 29 23:49:44, you wrote to me:

    Nothing more than a liberal hit piece,

    is everything that you don't agree with "liberal"?

    I know what a liberal smear job is when I see it.

    really? explain what a "liberal smear job" is, please... you may use the bikini
    format, short and to the point...

    Quite easy to see, when your not 'one of them'.

    it is quite easy to see conservative smear jobs, too... especially when you're*
    not "one of them"... i not one of either side...

    It's just another sad attempt to attract people who are not awake
    enough to realize that they are being lied to.

    it is also another attempt to wake those who are sleeping and believing the lies they are being told daily... those are also quite easily seen...

    The short phrase is "Fake News".

    give it a fucking break... that's another lie, ya know...

    I am immune to such trickery,

    no you're not... not by a long shot... because you think you are, you are even more easily fooled... Wizard's First Rule at play and you're the rube being lead by the nose with darken rahl-trump holding your nose ring...

    in fact I see threw it and understand it

    you can't see "threw" it... maybe "through" it but you have to open your eyes first... that and learn how to spell properly...

    for what its true purpose is, to deliberately deceive.

    you try to do that very well...

    and their version of the truth, of which is NOT the real truth.

    says who? you?

    It's from Bloomberg,

    yes, it is...

    explanation is not necessary and neither is debate

    i'm not debating... you should know that by now... but you, on the other hand are 1) trying to explain and 2) trying to debate... that's like bringing a knife to a gun fight...

    because you have already lost your argument before it has even begun.

    i posted an article... not an argument...

    It's the kind of thing I would expect from TicToc by Bloomberg is a
    global news network native to the social, mobile world, delivering
    general interest news video to the next generation of global
    leaders.

    what? did you leave some word(s) out??

    I think not, as the description came from their own website.

    really??? "thing i would expect from TicToc by Bloomberg is a global" sure looks like you left something out or ran two sentences together without finishing the first one... the word "by" indicates that...

    Liberalism is a mental disease.

    same can be said for conservatism... you exhibit all the signs ;)

    Yeah and it's called Winning!








    if this so-called "winning" thing is a mental disease and what you care about, you have a lot to learn and a lot of growing up to do... this isn't a school yard and it certainly isn't a game... people's lives, families, and livelyhood are at stake...

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to aaron thomas on Thursday, May 30, 2019 12:00:08
    On 2019 May 30 08:22:32, you wrote to me:

    "So Far, $1.57 Billion for Wall Yields 1.7 Miles of Fence"

    That link isn't working. What are they talking about?

    Thanks, this one works.

    the other one did, too... it is how i got the link again to run through tinyurl...

    The headline is misleading; 1.7 miles has been constructed so far,
    with 80 miles to be constructed. It sounds good to me.

    really? that 1.7 miles has already cost 1.57 billon and you're ok with that? at
    that rate, that 80 miles will cost 73.9 billion... are you really ok with that?

    )\/(ark

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to DALE SHIPP on Thursday, May 30, 2019 18:32:00
    Take for example Elizabeth Pocahontas Warren.
    It just fits.

    Yes, it just fits his level of mental ability.

    He has the runs of the mouth, but you cannot be a politician and go around claiming to be of significant Native American desent when you are not
    without expecting a whole lot of name calling.

    If this had been the early 1990's, and she a Republican (or a rival in the Democratic primary), there'd have been Bill's loud-mouthed Louisiana buddy calling her names the same way.

    She was too easy pickings.

    Mike
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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to Dale Shipp on Friday, May 31, 2019 08:35:39
    Actually, I live in a fairly diverse community -- many of them would be welcome here and would be assimilated on their way to becoming
    citizens.

    How far from the Mexico border do you live? Many central americans hate
    whites and blacks.

    And why assimilate? Breaking the law was the first thing they did when they arrived at the border. That went so smooth - so why stop there? Dumb white and black americans say "apply for residency," but man, that's a drag, isn't it?

    Dumb americans will also say "Buy a car, try dating, and make friends," but
    all the illegals say is "Me steal car! Me rape women! Me kill people!"

    ...but they're actually right about Americans being dumb!!

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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to mark lewis on Friday, May 31, 2019 08:42:40
    really? that 1.7 miles has already cost 1.57 billon and you're ok with that? at that rate, that 80 miles will cost 73.9 billion... are you
    really ok with that?

    The wall is a handout from the government. I like this handout, and I don't care where the money comes from. I never wanted a handout so bad before.

    It's better than Honduran abortions, better than foodstamps, better than affordable health care. After all, I won't need affordable healthcare if I'm murdered by an illegal.

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to aaron thomas on Friday, May 31, 2019 13:48:48
    On 2019 May 31 08:42:40, you wrote to me:

    really? that 1.7 miles has already cost 1.57 billon and you're ok
    with that? at that rate, that 80 miles will cost 73.9 billion... are
    you really ok with that?

    The wall is a handout from the government.

    sorry... it is a diversion from the real mess that's being done...

    I like this handout, and I don't care where the money comes from. I
    never wanted a handout so bad before.

    you've never taken any business classes, have you?

    It's better than Honduran abortions, better than foodstamps, better
    than affordable health care. After all, I won't need affordable
    healthcare if I'm murdered by an illegal.

    hell, you can achieve that without any illegal person being involved...

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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to mark lewis on Friday, May 31, 2019 22:28:02
    I like this handout, and I don't care where the money comes from. I never wanted a handout so bad before.

    you've never taken any business classes, have you?

    The same school that taught "planeful of cash" to Obama & Mahmoud Ahmadinejad taught me "wallful of peace."

    healthcare if I'm murdered by an illegal.

    hell, you can achieve that without any illegal person being involved...

    But illegals have less to lose & are more good at working with their hands on messy projects.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Saturday, June 01, 2019 00:57:00
    On 05-31-19 08:35, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Insults <=-

    Actually, I live in a fairly diverse community -- many of them would be welcome here and would be assimilated on their way to becoming
    citizens.

    How far from the Mexico border do you live? Many central americans
    hate whites and blacks.

    At least a thousand miles, but so what is your point? My city has a
    mixture of whites, blacks, hispanic, asian, mid-eastern and just about
    anything else you could name.

    And why assimilate? Breaking the law was the first thing they did when they arrived at the border. That went so smooth - so why stop there?

    They crossed the border and asked for assylum, which they are entitled
    to do under US law.


    Dumb white and black americans say "apply for residency," but man,
    that's a drag, isn't it?
    Dumb americans will also say "Buy a car, try dating, and make
    friends," but all the illegals say is "Me steal car! Me rape women! Me kill people!"

    Your prejudice is blatent, and wrong.

    ...but they're actually right about Americans being dumb!!

    Only some -- e.g. those who think that a wall is going to have any real
    impact on the import of illegal drugs.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to DALE SHIPP on Saturday, June 01, 2019 12:32:00
    And why assimilate? Breaking the law was the first thing they did when they arrived at the border. That went so smooth - so why stop there?

    They crossed the border and asked for assylum, which they are entitled
    to do under US law.

    The problem is that a lot of them are not entitled to it, under US law. In
    the meantime, there are so many that the government is overwhelmed & has to turn them loose into the population while they wait for their case to come
    up.

    By the time it does, they've snuck off or the government has lost track of them.

    Mike

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Mike Powell on Saturday, June 01, 2019 19:46:54
    On 2019 Jun 01 12:32:00, you wrote to DALE SHIPP:

    They crossed the border and asked for assylum, which they are entitled
    to do under US law.

    The problem is that a lot of them are not entitled to it, under US
    law.

    that is determined after they are on US soil and request asylum... one cannot request asylum without being on US soil... that is the law...

    In the meantime, there are so many that the government is overwhelmed
    & has to turn them loose into the population while they wait for their case to come up.

    that is to be expected with our current immigration laws...

    By the time it does, they've snuck off or the government has lost
    track of them.

    if the gov't can't keep up with the children they've separated from their guardian/parent, what makes you think they can keep up with those requesting asylum? remember, they are required by law to be ON US soil to request asylum... just like having to physically be in the church to request asylum with the church...

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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to Dale Shipp on Sunday, June 02, 2019 12:00:58
    At least a thousand miles, but so what is your point? My city has a mixture of whites, blacks, hispanic, asian, mid-eastern and just about anything else you could name.

    It's a different scene when you live near the border. Try comparing crime statistics and tell me what stands out.

    Did you see a movie, or something, where some family of impoverished illegal immigrants snuck into the USA, traveled up to some redneck farming town, and lived a modest life?

    It's nice of you to give the illegals the benefit of the doubt, but don't let people abuse your generosity.

    They crossed the border and asked for assylum, which they are entitled
    to do under US law.

    There are people who need asylum more than central americans, like Syrian children. I'd rather take all of them as refugees than people who were already offered asylum in another country and turned it down.

    Only some -- e.g. those who think that a wall is going to have any real impact on the import of illegal drugs.

    It's more than just drugs. But if it puts a dent in drugs, conservatives are
    ok with that too. More and more, I worry that people who support the
    rights of illegals are actually users or "jons" themselves. Have you ever had an argument about drugs with an addict? It can be on ordeal.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to MARK LEWIS on Sunday, June 02, 2019 20:03:00
    By the time it does, they've snuck off or the government has lost
    track of them.

    if the gov't can't keep up with the children they've separated from their guardian/parent, what makes you think they can keep up with those requesting asylum? remember, they are required by law to be ON US soil to request asylum... just like having to physically be in the church to request asylum with the church...

    The problem was not always that the gov't could not keep up with the
    children but that the "parents" would go ahead and high-tail it because
    they either knew their asylum claim was completely bogus and/or the kids
    were not even theirs.

    I have a relative who travels to the border area of Mexico, and other
    places south of Mexico, to coach people what to do once they get across the border (find the border patrol, claim asylum, wait for them to turn you
    loose somewhere in the US and then run off). They do it as a part of their "job."

    Build the wall.

    Mike

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to aaron thomas on Monday, June 03, 2019 06:45:31
    Hello Aaron,

    At least a thousand miles, but so what is your point? My city has a >DS>mixture of whites, blacks, hispanic, asian, mid-eastern and just about >DS>anything else you could name.

    It's a different scene when you live near the border. Try comparing crime >statistics and tell me what stands out.

    El Paso is much safer than the rest of America. Next question?

    Did you see a movie, or something, where some family of impoverished illegal
    immigrants snuck into the USA, traveled up to some redneck farming town,
    and lived a modest life?

    A lady friend had a grandmother who snuck in from Guatemala and
    never bothered going back home. She never got sick, and never drove
    a car. Never even had a ssn as far as anybody knew. Had a bunch
    of kids, though. All of them born in the good ol' US of A.

    When she passed away, nobody knew how old she was, since she did
    not have a birth certificate. She was old, very old. Probably over
    100 (her granddaughter is in her 60s). When her next of kin wanted
    to bury her remains, the government refused them to do so, as she
    was illegally here (even though very much dead).

    After getting in touch with distant relatives in Guatemala, they
    thought it would be a simple matter bury her in her native country.

    Well, it turned out not to be as simple as they had thought.

    You see, illegals who die in America cannot have their bodies
    shipped to their native country until it is cremated first.

    Which is against the religion of many people, especially those
    who have died. Since she could not be buried in the US, with her
    body intact, and she could not be buried in her native country,
    with her body intact, the family had no choice but to have their
    loved one's body cremated. At their own expense. And then
    shipped to Guatemala. At their expense. And buried in Guatemala.
    At their expense.

    What happens to Americans who die overseas? Even if they are not
    legally in a foreign country, they get to have their bodies returned
    to the US fully intact, without their bodies having been cremated
    first.

    Why should Americans have these special privileges when this
    country refuses to grant others those same privileges?

    It gets worse.

    When a homeless person dies, he/she is cremated. Then the ashes
    of the deceased are scattered in the wind, at some local cemetery.
    No marker needed. Then a bill is sent to whatever next of kin
    can be found.

    At least the next of kin is not billed for airfare in those cases.

    It's nice of you to give the illegals the benefit of the doubt, but don't
    let people abuse your generosity.

    Why does this country insist on cremation for illegals who die
    in this country? Why does this country insist on billing the families
    of the deceased for the costs of cremation, plus the cost of shipping
    or airfare? Even if those families are unaware of illegals in this
    country?

    There have been at least 6 immigrant children who have died as a
    result of Trump's "zero tolerance" policy, after having been separated
    from their families. And you call this country "generous"?

    They crossed the border and asked for assylum, which they are entitled >DS>to do under US law.

    There are people who need asylum more than central americans, like Syrian >children. I'd rather take all of them as refugees than people who were
    already offered asylum in another country and turned it down.

    People have a right to apply for asylum, regardless of where they
    are from. Not that some are better refugees than others. Let them
    all come, so we can hear all their cases. And grant those cases
    that have merit. Regardless of what part of the world they happen
    to be from.

    Only some -- e.g. those who think that a wall is going to have any real >DS>impact on the import of illegal drugs.

    It's more than just drugs. But if it puts a dent in drugs, conservatives are >ok with that too. More and more, I worry that people who support the
    rights of illegals are actually users or "jons" themselves. Have you ever
    had
    an argument about drugs with an addict? It can be on ordeal.

    Keeping them awake can be an ordeal.
    But why would anybody want to do that?

    --Lee

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Mike Powell on Monday, June 03, 2019 03:06:08
    On 2019 Jun 02 20:03:00, you wrote to me:

    I have a relative who travels to the border area of Mexico, and other places south of Mexico, to coach people what to do once they get
    across the border (find the border patrol, claim asylum, wait for them
    to turn you loose somewhere in the US and then run off). They do it
    as a part of their "job."

    sounds like your relative is part of the problem...

    Build the wall.

    screw the wall... it won't help just like it didn't help in other countries that (tried to) build one... use that money to help our citizens that need help
    instead of lining the pockets of the already wealthy...

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Mike Powell on Monday, June 03, 2019 17:42:29
    Hello Mike,

    By the time it does, they've snuck off or the government has lost >>MP>track of them.

    if the gov't can't keep up with the children they've separated from their >>guardian/parent, what makes you think they can keep up with those
    requesting
    asylum? remember, they are required by law to be ON US soil to request >>asylum... just like having to physically be in the church to request asylum >>with the church...

    Didn't work out so well for that strongman in Panama who tried
    to hide out in a church while being surrounded by US troops.

    The problem was not always that the gov't could not keep up with the
    children but that the "parents" would go ahead and high-tail it because
    they either knew their asylum claim was completely bogus and/or the kids
    were not even theirs.

    Nobody is psychic, including those who make up border patrol.
    Applying for asylum is not an illegal act. Even though the orange
    one would like to have everybody think it is.

    I have a relative who travels to the border area of Mexico, and other
    places south of Mexico, to coach people what to do once they get across the >border (find the border patrol, claim asylum, wait for them to turn you
    loose somewhere in the US and then run off). They do it as a part of their >"job."

    Your relative goes into rough neighborhoods, where gangs routinely
    force girls into prostitution and boys into drugs, teaching both
    adults and children alike how to apply for asylum in the US?

    Must be a very wealthy relative to afford to do so. Or have a
    megabillionaire for a boss. Which makes me wonder why one would go
    through all that trouble when it would be far less costly (and a whole
    lot faster) to simply pay their airfare so they would not have to
    undergo a very dangerous journey on foot through the desert.

    Build the wall.

    Not with our tax dollars.

    And nobody else wants to pay for it, either. Especially the man who
    told us all that Mexico would build it.

    --Lee

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Gregory Deyss on Wednesday, June 05, 2019 06:11:08
    On 2019 Jun 04 20:17:02, you wrote to me:

    The problem is that a lot of them are not entitled to it, under US
    law.

    that is determined after they are on US soil and request asylum...
    one cannot request asylum without being on US soil... that is the
    law...

    What happens when these illegals, who were granted asylum are provided
    an appearance ticket to reappear for immigration court.

    why have you classified them as "illegals"? that hasn't been determined, yet...
    they are here legally on US soil requesting asylum... that's properly following our immigration law...

    as for their appearance, they either appear in court or they don't... just like
    you, they may request/have their case extended if they cannot make it to that session for some reason... this is just like any other court... there is a time
    frame in play just like there is with you and any court case you may have...

    They are never seen or heard from again.

    maybe... maybe not... are you a cop or similar that always assumes the worst? if one is guilty, they're all guilty?

    The only way they would be is if they once again broke the law.

    they only way they would be what? you're use of the phrase "once again" implies
    that you think they have broken the law at least once, already... why would you think that in the first place? have they done something to you, personally?

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  • From BOB ACKLEY@1:123/140 to MARK LEWIS on Wednesday, June 05, 2019 16:13:28
    On 2019 Jun 04 20:17:02, you wrote to me:

    The problem is that a lot of them are not entitled to it,
    under US
    law.

    that is determined after they are on US soil and request
    asylum...
    one cannot request asylum without being on US soil... that is
    the
    law...

    What happens when these illegals, who were granted asylum are
    provided
    an appearance ticket to reappear for immigration court.

    why have you classified them as "illegals"? that hasn't been
    determined, yet...
    they are here legally on US soil requesting asylum... that's properly
    following
    our immigration law...

    When it's done at an authorized entry point, NOT when it's done
    anyplace else.

    as for their appearance, they either appear in court or they don't...
    just like
    you, they may request/have their case extended if they cannot make it
    to that
    session for some reason... this is just like any other court... there
    is a time
    frame in play just like there is with you and any court case you may
    have...

    They are never seen or heard from again.

    maybe... maybe not... are you a cop or similar that always assumes
    the worst?
    if one is guilty, they're all guilty?

    The only way they would be is if they once again broke the law.

    they only way they would be what? you're use of the phrase "once
    again" implies
    that you think they have broken the law at least once, already... why
    would you
    think that in the first place?

    Mark, crossing the border anyplace but an authorized entry point is a
    crime, and the overwhelming majority of the illegals did that. That's
    once, and therefore 'again' is perfectly accurate.

    have they done something to you, personally?

    Nope. But there have been *several* instances of illegals committing
    crimes in the Omaha area, including one case of premeditated murder and
    at least one accidental killing (that perp escaped and fled back to
    Honduras)
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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to mark lewis on Wednesday, June 05, 2019 18:43:44
    they only way they would be what? you're use of the phrase "once again" implies that you think they have broken the law at least once,
    already... why would you think that in the first place? have they done something to you, personally?

    Nice try...
    You are the one who is attempting to make this personal; with the asking of your question. Have they done something to you personally? Furthermore, you
    are also attempting to make me out to be the bad guy here because you can not understand why nor do you understand the stance that I am talking but UI am sure you find it to be mean spirited and all of this because I look at things differently but you still wanna lecture me on how the law works..? Sorry I like my definition better as it matches more closely to what the truth actually is.

    I don't share your sugar coated - candy crystals version of really happens at the U.S. / Mexican Border.

    As far as declaring asylym.

    There is plenty asylym exploitation involving and this is a matter of a fact, The fantastic flip charts and great graphics are to show that this is the case, additionally it shows something else and that would be that this is much more then a individuals a opinion. https://preview.tinyurl.com/y4bytjx9

    It all begins with that foot crossing over the line, but before this occurs they still have to still ask for asylym. which still makes them at this point still illegal.

    Just remember you wanted to go down this asylym road, so be it.

    Searching the matter on Google.
    https://preview.tinyurl.com/yyvl25b2

    n 05 Jun 2019, mark lewis said the following...

    On 2019 Jun 04 20:17:02, you wrote to me:

    The problem is that a lot of them are not entitled to it, under US
    law.
    that is determined after they are on US soil and request asylum...
    one cannot request asylum without being on US soil... that is the
    law...

    not exactly. it's not the law it's time to learn the truth as to how this works.

    https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/refugees-asylum/asylum/obtaining-asylum-unit ed-states

    They are never seen or heard from again.

    maybe... maybe not... are you a cop or similar that always assumes the worst? if one is guilty, they're all guilty?

    Who do I have to be?

    Any American who uses their eyes can see what is going on here, it's a big con job, "Oh I want asylum from my 'mean and evil' country" meanwhile your carrying the very same flag that your running from as you walk to the U.S. / Mexican Border.

    To my earlier point out that this type of thing happens more then I bet
    anyone would ever care to admit to.


    The only way they would be is if they once again broke the law. ml>
    they only way they would be what? you're use of the phrase "once again" implies that you think they have broken the law at least once,

    why would you think that in the first place? have they done
    something to you, personally?

    The first time is when they violated my nations sovereignty.

    Ever hear about Angel Moms & Dads, Mark they are something else that would
    NOT exist if it was not for these ILLEGALS crossing our border as if they did not care or knew where the nations border crossing was , both are sign of stupidity when they claim they have no idea, and they are guilty of both.

    It all began with that foot crossing over the line, but before
    this occurred they were still illegal.

    Just remember you wanted to go down this asylym road, so be it.

    As far as declaring asylym.
    There is plenty asylym exploitation involving and this is a matter of a fact, the fantastic flip charts and great graphics to show that to the case, additionally it shows something else and that would be that this is much more then a individuals a opinion.

    https://preview.tinyurl.com/y4bytjx9

    Many of the people being brought up are being exploited as well.
    AS IN HUMAN TRAFFICKING
    https://preview.tinyurl.com/y5ypnx4f\

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Gregory Deyss on Wednesday, June 05, 2019 22:12:38
    On 2019 Jun 05 18:43:44, you wrote to me:

    they only way they would be what? you're use of the phrase "once
    again" implies that you think they have broken the law at least once,
    already... why would you think that in the first place? have they done
    something to you, personally?

    Nice try...

    about what?

    You are the one who is attempting to make this personal; with the
    asking of your question.

    no, i'm not trying to make it personal... i'm trying to understand why you have
    such a hatred of anything that isn't just like you... you accuse "them" of having already broken a law when you have no idea if they have or not... you paint with a monstrously large brush...

    Have they done something to you personally?

    no...

    Furthermore, you are also attempting to make me out to be the bad guy
    here because you can not understand why nor do you understand the
    stance that I am talking but UI am sure you find it to be mean
    spirited and all of this because I look at things differently but you still wanna lecture me on how the law works..?

    good lord... runon sentence much? i'm not trying to "make you out to be the bad
    guy"... you do that well enough on your own...

    it isn't that i "can not understand"... i simply don't understand because you've never explained it clearly... yes, i "do not understand the stance" because, again, you've not explained it clearly...

    Sorry I like my definition better as it matches more closely to what
    the truth actually is.

    which truth is that?

    I don't share your sugar coated - candy crystals version of really
    happens at the U.S. / Mexican Border.

    i don't have such a view of reality and i'll thank you to not be putting words in my mouth like that...

    As far as declaring asylym.


    There is plenty asylym exploitation involving and this is a matter of a fact, The fantastic flip charts and great graphics are to show that this
    is
    the case, additionally it shows something else and that would be that this is much more then a individuals a opinion.

    what? again with the runon mess and lack of clarity... i've read this over and over several times and i still cannot make out what you are trying to say...

    "plenty of asylym[sic] exploitation involving"

    involving what??? the "Fantastic flip charts and great graphics"?? what??

    https://preview.tinyurl.com/y4bytjx9

    how about a site that isn't a right-wing conversative propaganda site? surely you can find something that is in the middle of the road and depicts both sides
    with equal clarity...

    It all begins with that foot crossing over the line, but before this occurs they still have to still ask for asylym. which still makes them
    at this point still illegal.

    wrong! YOU HAVE TO BE ON US SOIL TO ASK FOR ASYLUM, PERIOD. crossing the border
    is not illegal... you HAVE to cross to be on US soil...

    "To apply for Asylum, file a Form I-589, Application for Asylum and
    for Withholding of Removal, within one year of your arrival to the
    United States." - https://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/refugees-asylum/asylum

    keywords "within one year"... you're not an illegal immigrant during that time...

    Just remember you wanted to go down this asylym road, so be it.

    really? again with putting words in my mouth? i never said i "wanted to go down
    this asylym[sic] road"...

    here's a question for everyone: what's your political compass score?

    https://www.politicalcompass.org/test

    i've taken the test numerous times and i average from -3 to +3 on both scales... effectively hovering around the middle...

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to mark lewis on Thursday, June 06, 2019 11:51:47
    no, i'm not trying to make it personal... i'm trying to understand why
    you have such a hatred of anything that isn't just like you... you
    accuse "them" of having already broken a law when you have no idea if
    they have or not... you paint with a monstrously large brush...

    Let me start out by stating I have nothing against you or anyone even if they disagree with me. You and I have more in common then you realize.

    I am a conservative, if you try to understand what is important to such a person with a conservative mindset, then things would be abundantly clear. There would be no more questions or even the slightest confusion.
    Everything that I have said on the matter would be in focus.

    You suggest that I paint with a monstrously large brush?
    Do you know or care of the enormous cost that is associated and the problems that are created with this issue.

    Wanna come to the U.S. give yourself and your family a better life, better
    then ever before. Great, then go about it legally, get in line and start the process. but they don't want to do this, they would rather but the line and sneak in. That is why I feel the way I do, as it is a violation of the sovereignty of the United States of America.

    Furthermore a whole host of emotions get applied in the process as being untrustworthy, someone that does not care to follow the rules.
    I do not understand why I should be compassionate to such people, and I do
    not understand why the left has such love for such people.
    The left wishes to exploit them for political means, they don't really give a rats ass about them, they see them as means to power and for
    maintaining power.

    I hate almost no one, certainly not anyone within the fidonet community.
    I do have unremarkable hatred for Nancy Pelosi, as her continued actions speak many hundreds of times as not being productive. In fact they are counterproductive to getting anything done within the country that would be known as a accomplishment.

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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to mark lewis on Thursday, June 06, 2019 15:58:16
    why have you classified them as "illegals"? that hasn't been determined, yet... they are here legally on US soil requesting asylum... that's properly following our immigration law...

    It's illegal to not use the port of entry; they aren't hummingbirds returning from Columbia. If anyone can just walk over here when they feel like it, then who are they escaping from? Asylum from what? Which government in central america (mainland) is being oppressive besides Venezuela?

    Obama admitted "they're just folks looking for a better life" but that
    doesn't make them a "political refugee." I'm looking for a better life too -
    am I a "political refugee?"

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gregory Deyss on Friday, June 07, 2019 13:25:57
    Hello Greg,

    no, i'm not trying to make it personal... i'm trying to understand why >ml>you have such a hatred of anything that isn't just like you... you >ml>accuse "them" of having already broken a law when you have no idea if >ml>they have or not... you paint with a monstrously large brush...

    Let me start out by stating I have nothing against you or anyone even if
    they disagree with me. You and I have more in common then you realize.

    I have a lot against those who seek to do harm to others. But
    aside from those few, enjoy political discourse with all.

    I am a conservative,

    The views you have expressed in FidoNet are far from what
    conservatives believe.

    if you try to understand what is important to such a person with a
    conservative mindset, then things would be abundantly clear.

    "The Conservative Sensibility", by George Will. That would be
    a good place for you to start.

    There would be no more questions or even the slightest confusion.
    Everything that I have said on the matter would be in focus.

    Children learn how to play Simon Says at a very early age.
    Some play it well, others play it poorly. But most children
    learn very quickly it is nothing but a fool's game. Which
    is why most children lose interest within a few days, if not
    hours.

    You suggest that I paint with a monstrously large brush?

    Not me. Never said that. Paint By Numbers never was my kind of game.

    Do you know or care of the enormous cost that is associated and the problems
    that are created with this issue.

    What cost? Those who are seeking asylum have nothing but the
    clothes on their backs. They have committed no crimes, and are
    trying their best to survive. Denying people their basic rights
    is to deny them their own humanity. Is that who you are or want
    to be? It is not who most Americans are, or want to be. We are
    better than that, as individuals and a people.

    Wanna come to the U.S. give yourself and your family a better life, better
    then ever before. Great, then go about it legally, get in line and start
    the process.

    Applying for political asylum is part of the process. Denying
    people that basic right is un-American.

    Applying for citizenship is part of the process. The USA has
    a chain immigration policy, allowing those who have become citizens
    to sponsor their loved ones to come here and do the same. Which is
    exactly what Melania Trump did, becoming a citizen, then sponsoring
    her own parents.

    but they don't want to do this,

    Immigrants are going through the process, as they have for decades.

    they would rather but the line and sneak in.

    Some have tried to sneak in, but those numbers continue to drop.
    Thanks to better immigration control by the Obama administration.

    That is why I feel the way I do, as it is a violation of the
    sovereignty of the United States of America.

    All Americans are in favor of border control. Except for a small
    handful, such as Bill Gates, who would prefer letting everybody in.

    Furthermore a whole host of emotions get applied in the process as being
    untrustworthy, someone that does not care to follow the rules.

    Mr Spock would take issue with that, understanding it is a human
    condition to get emotional. But he was Vulcan, except in rare moments
    of ecstacy when on a certain planet ...

    I do not understand why I should be compassionate to such people, and I do
    not understand why the left has such love for such people.

    George W. Bush described himself as being a "compassionate
    conservative". While I disagreed with some of his policies,
    he did show compassion towards others. Which is something
    I cannot say about the current occupant of the White House.

    The left wishes to exploit them for political means,

    Everything man does (as individuals and as a group) is political.

    they don't really give a rats ass about them,

    We are a nation of immigrants. Regardless of party affiliation.

    they see them as means to power and for maintaining power.

    If the USA was to completely isolate itself, allowing no immigration,
    what do you think would be the end result? The population would go
    into sharp decline, and the elderly would die off to the point there
    would be too few people around for the USA to maintain its status
    as a superpower.

    Russia has this problem, and is in dire straits. Which is one
    of the reasons why Vladimir Putin chose to invade Crimea and annex
    it as part of Russia. And also try to do the same with other parts
    of Ukraine. What other illegal acts will he do in order to keep
    his empire from falling apart?

    China is also having the same problem as Russia. But is trying
    to use diplomacy rather than military force to get its way. With
    China, it is a case of too many horny men with not enough women
    to go around. This was a by-product of its one child per family
    policy. Most parents wanted a baby boy. If ultrasound revealed
    it would be a baby girl, the couple would abort and give it another
    try. Hence, too many baby boys and not enough baby girls.

    Russia and China made a deal. Chinese could immigrate to Siberia
    and make all the babies they wanted. Other Chinese could look
    elsewhere in Asia for new mates, and then find a new place to stay.

    A growing fad among the Chinese is for a couple to go to the USA,
    have a baby, then fly back to China. That way, their child is an
    American citizen, and the family can relocate to the USA anytime
    they want.

    All this is legal. Without ever having to cross the border by
    sneaking in. Usually by purchasing a plane ticket, then flying
    to their destination of choice.

    I hate almost no one, certainly not anyone within the fidonet community.

    A shared interest, among a community of sysops and others.

    I do have unremarkable hatred for Nancy Pelosi,

    She is doing the job she was hired to do. Just as Bob Mueller
    did the job he was hired to do. I am not hateful of either of them.
    Thankful for the job(s) they did, and continue to do. They both
    chose to do this. To work for us (we the people).

    as her continued actions speak many hundreds of times as not being
    productive.

    Her constituents seem to be happy, having elected her to office
    for several terms. The House (not just her caucus) seems to be happy,
    having elected her as Speaker (multiple times).

    In fact they are counterproductive to getting anything done within the
    country that would be known as a accomplishment.

    As an elected member of the House, she has a constitutional duty
    of oversight. As elected Speaker, she has an even higher obligation
    to do the job she was elected to do.

    Members of Congress who act as a rubber stamp for what the President
    wants to do are not doing their jobs. Their job is supposed to be to
    work for us (we the people) - not their beloved dipshit in chief.

    --Lee

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  • From Steven Wolf@1:267/160 to Lee Lofaso on Friday, June 07, 2019 09:53:38
    Re: Insults
    By: Lee Lofaso to Gregory Deyss on Fri Jun 07 2019 01:25 pm

    I am a conservative,

    Me too!

    trying their best to survive. Denying people their basic rights

    is to deny them their own humanity. Is that who you are or want

    People that cross our borders illegally are law breakers. They violate MY rights as a law abiding American citizen. Our entire way of life is based on obeying the law. Without it there is Anarchy. I have friends that waited 20 or more years to gain US citizenship. It is an injustice to US citizens to allow anyone to just walk in whenever they please. Regardless of their origin. Our system is based on law and punishment. Those that break the law should and will be punished.

    HusTler
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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Steven Wolf on Friday, June 07, 2019 17:59:05
    Our entire way of life is based on obeying the law.

    Your entire way of life is founded on theft, murder, genocide, rape, ...

    \%/@rd

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Steven Wolf on Friday, June 07, 2019 12:51:52
    On 2019 Jun 07 09:53:38, you wrote to Lee Lofaso:

    People that cross our borders illegally are law breakers. They violate MY rights as a law abiding American citizen.

    come again? what rights of yours are they violating if they break a law somewhere? does this also apply to the domestic terrorists roaming our streets today? does it also apply to the mass murders that have shot up our clubs, hotels, concerts and schools?

    Our entire way of life is based on obeying the law.

    what DID they teach you in school, man? the english, spanish, and french (at least) all came over here and stole the land from the native american indians, murdered/killed them by the thousands, and raped their women by the thousands... where was the law then?

    Without it there
    is Anarchy. I have friends that waited 20 or more years to gain US citizenship. It is an injustice to US citizens to allow anyone to just walk in whenever they please.

    did you friends not "walk in whenever they pleased"??? they arrived here somehow...

    Regardless of their origin. Our system is based on law and punishment. Those that break the law should and will be punished.

    we're still waiting on that to happen to the domestic terrorists we have... not
    much has been done yet...

    )\/(ark

    Always Mount a Scratch Monkey
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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Ward Dossche on Friday, June 07, 2019 12:45:26
    On 2019 Jun 07 17:59:04, you wrote to Steven Wolf:

    Our entire way of life is based on obeying the law.

    Your entire way of life is founded on theft, murder, genocide, rape, ...

    exactly! what do kids learn in school these days???


    note "these days" meaning "since the '80s"... we learned all about how our country was formed when we were in school in the '60s and '70s... they didn't come right out and state that "theft, murder, genocide, rape" were used but it is easily apparent if one simply looks at the material and pays attention...

    )\/(ark

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to WARD DOSSCHE on Friday, June 07, 2019 17:55:00
    Your entire way of life is founded on theft, murder, genocide, rape, ...

    Everyone's is if you go back far enough.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Ward Dossche on Saturday, June 08, 2019 03:56:44
    Hello Ward,

    Our entire way of life is based on obeying the law.

    Your entire way of life is founded on theft, murder, genocide, rape, ...

    And look at the success it brought us!

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Steven Wolf on Saturday, June 08, 2019 03:56:54
    Hello Steven,

    I am a conservative,

    Me too!

    FDR was the greatest of them all.

    trying their best to survive. Denying people their basic rights
    is to deny them their own humanity. Is that who you are or want

    People that cross our borders illegally are law breakers. They violate MY
    rights as a law abiding American citizen. Our entire way of life is based
    on obeying the law. Without it there is Anarchy.

    So much for the Pilgrims who came to this land. Native Americans
    welcomed them, then later asked them to leave when they abused their
    welcome. After the white man refused to leave, Native Americans went
    on the warpath to make them leave. But then others started coming.
    And coming. And coming ...

    I have friends that waited 20 or more years to gain US citizenship.

    Since they already had a place to stay, they had no need to come here.
    And yet we welcomed them. So why should others be denied from doing
    the same thing?

    It is an injustice to US citizens to allow anyone to just walk in whenever
    they please.

    My grandfather was an infant when he was brought here from Sicily.
    Nobody asked him to come here, and he really was left with no choice,
    being unable to protest to anybody.

    Regardless of their origin.

    In that case there is no need for a wall of any kind.

    Our system is based on law and punishment.

    Native Americans could have done nothing and let the Pilgrims starve
    to death. But no. Native Americans had compassion for others, even
    those who were different from them from a place far away.

    Those that break the law should and will be punished.

    Those are the kind of people the Pilgrims were running away from.

    --Lee

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Mike Powell on Saturday, June 08, 2019 08:19:55
    Your entire way of life is founded on theft, murder, genocide, rape,
    ...

    Everyone's is if you go back far enough.

    That most likely is correct.

    \%/@rd

    --- D'Bridge 3.99
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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to MARK LEWIS on Saturday, June 08, 2019 10:23:00
    Without it there
    is Anarchy. I have friends that waited 20 or more years to gain US citizenship. It is an injustice to US citizens to allow anyone to just walk in whenever they please.

    did you friends not "walk in whenever they pleased"??? they arrived here somehow...

    I cannot speak for his friends, but mine came in *legally* and went through
    all of the processes it took to be here *legally*. Most of them are more unhappy about people just wandering in and being able to get even more than they are entitled to than I am.

    Do you not know anyone who is not a native that is here legally? I will guarantee you that they did not just "walk in whenever they pleased." All
    the ones I know (mostly from Asia or South America) had to go through all
    sorts of paperwork to get a visa, then again for a green card, etc. Many
    had to prove they had jobs waiting here for them. Some had to leave the country for a while in between "phases."

    What they go through to be here legally is a far cry from just "walking in whenever they please," and insinuating that they can do so belittles their experience. One may say "that is why it should be easier" but I disagree. Those processes are there for a reason. They validate the identity of the person in question, verify that they are not wanted by the law in their
    home countries, verify that they are here to be productive members of
    society, etc.

    I do not understand why a citizen of any country would want it any other
    way when it comes to who gets let in.

    Mike

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to MARK LEWIS on Saturday, June 08, 2019 10:24:00
    exactly! what do kids learn in school these days???

    note "these days" meaning "since the '80s"... we learned all about how our country was formed when we were in school in the '60s and '70s... they didn't come right out and state that "theft, murder, genocide, rape" were used but
    it
    is easily apparent if one simply looks at the material and pays attention...

    Like I said to Ward, pretty much all societies evolved from a period of
    "theft, murder, genocide, rape." I learned that in school. I also learned that societies that last evolve beyond that point to a point where the rule
    of law is followed. Those societies usually last until either the rule of
    law is ignored, or until they are invaded by a society which has not
    evolved beyond "theft, murder, genocide, rape."

    That last bit, learned in school, is one of the big reasons I believe that opening the borders to anyone and everyone, while relaxing the vetting
    process, is a path to destruction for our society. The only reason I can
    think of that one would feel otherwise is if one longs for those not-so-good old days of chaos and lawlessness.

    IMHO, the politicians that push for such want just that. They want to introduce some chaos and lawlessness so that they can assert control.

    Mike

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to WARD DOSSCHE on Saturday, June 08, 2019 10:26:00
    Your entire way of life is founded on theft, murder, genocide, rape,
    ...

    Everyone's is if you go back far enough.

    That most likely is correct.

    It most certainly is. Those European Neanderthals, Celtic Druids, Jews, Catholics, non-Catholics, Ukranians, Bosnians, Muslims, Christians, Pagans, Palestinians, various African tribes, Aztecs, Mayans, Incans, and whoever
    else the ancestors of the current European natives rid the planet of did not die off on their own.

    Where do you think the early Americans, who came over from Europe, learned it from?

    Mike

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Mike Powell on Saturday, June 08, 2019 11:33:48
    On 2019 Jun 08 10:23:00, you wrote to me:

    Without it there is Anarchy. I have friends that waited 20 or more
    years to gain US citizenship. It is an injustice to US citizens to
    allow anyone to just walk in whenever they please.

    did you friends not "walk in whenever they pleased"??? they arrived
    here somehow...

    I cannot speak for his friends, but mine came in *legally* and went through all of the processes it took to be here *legally*. Most of
    them are more unhappy about people just wandering in and being able to
    get even more than they are entitled to than I am.

    what entitlements are these?

    Do you not know anyone who is not a native that is here legally?

    yes, i do...

    I will guarantee you that they did not just "walk in whenever they pleased."

    i don't know... i never asked them...

    All the ones I know (mostly from Asia or South America) had to go
    through all sorts of paperwork to get a visa, then again for a green
    card, etc. Many had to prove they had jobs waiting here for them. Some
    had to leave the country for a while in between "phases."

    same here...

    What they go through to be here legally is a far cry from just
    "walking in whenever they please," and insinuating that they can do so belittles their experience.

    i don't know who said "walk in whenever they please" but it wasn't i...

    One may say "that is why it should be easier" but I disagree. Those processes are there for a reason. They validate the identity of the person in question, verify that they are not wanted by the law in
    their home countries, verify that they are here to be productive
    members of society, etc.

    agreed...

    I do not understand why a citizen of any country would want it any
    other way when it comes to who gets let in.

    An' ye harm none, do what ye will.


    )\/(ark

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Mike Powell on Saturday, June 08, 2019 20:50:42
    Where do you think the early Americans, who came over from Europe,
    learned it from?

    Vladinir Putin

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Mike Powell on Sunday, June 09, 2019 05:22:13
    Hello Mike,

    Without it there
    is Anarchy. I have friends that waited 20 or more years to gain US >>SW>citizenship. It is an injustice to US citizens to allow anyone to just >>SW>walk in whenever they please.

    did you friends not "walk in whenever they pleased"??? they arrived here >>somehow...

    I cannot speak for his friends, but mine came in *legally* and went through >all of the processes it took to be here *legally*. Most of them are more >unhappy about people just wandering in and being able to get even more than >they are entitled to than I am.

    Having dual citizenship should be a right for all.

    Nobody should be forced to relinquish their own citizenship in
    order to become a US citizen. And no US citizen should be forced
    to relinquish his or her US citizenship in order to become a citizen
    of another country.

    Do you not know anyone who is not a native that is here legally?

    My grandfather was Sicilian. He came here as a baby.
    My great-grandfather and great-grandmother were Sicilian.
    They came here when they were adults. None of them could
    speak a word of English when they got here.

    I will guarantee you that they did not just "walk in whenever they pleased."

    They took the boat, as none of them could walk on water.

    All the ones I know (mostly from Asia or South America) had to go through
    all sorts of paperwork to get a visa, then again for a green card, etc.

    My great-grandfather had none of those things. And neither did
    my great-grandmother. Or any of their children.

    Many had to prove they had jobs waiting here for them.

    My great-grandfather was a cobbler. My great-grandmother was
    a housewife. Neither of them had a job when they got here.

    Some had to leave the country for a while in between "phases."

    My great-grandfather boarded a boat in Sicily and made his way
    all the way to America, the only stops being wherever the boat went
    before it got there. Then he made his way to Louisiana, on foot,
    as he never bothered learning how to drive. Two adults, plus
    eleven children, all immigrants from Sicily.

    What they go through to be here legally is a far cry from just "walking in
    whenever they please," and insinuating that they can do so belittles their experience.

    My great-grandfather chose to come to America in order to escape
    persecution in Sicily, as the dictator before Mussolini did not like
    Sicilians - especially those who were not wealthy.

    One may say "that is why it should be easier" but I disagree.

    If you are trying to raise eleven children on the salary of a cobbler
    and the dictator wants you to give him everything you make in the form
    of taxes, it makes your decision to immigrate to America very easy.

    Those processes are there for a reason. They validate the identity of the
    person in question, verify that they are not wanted by the law in their
    home countries, verify that they are here to be productive members of society, etc.

    None of those things were needed decades ago. So why should they
    be needed today? With the exception of known criminals, and public
    health, there is no reason why anybody should be denied entrance.

    I do not understand why a citizen of any country would want it any other way
    when it comes to who gets let in.

    A citizen of another country who is of good moral character could
    wind up not being allowed entrance due to the whims of a bureaucrat
    who denies them entrance based on frivolous reasons.

    For example, Cat Stevens was denied entrance to the US to give
    a music performance because some bureaucrat had placed him on the
    "do not fly" terrorist list. Why? Because Cat Stevens converted
    to Islam, and is no longer a Christian.

    I can't fix stupid. And neither can you. Bureaucrats will continue
    to be bureaucrats. The whole world over.

    --Lee

    --
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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Mike Powell on Sunday, June 09, 2019 05:22:19
    Hello Mike,

    That last bit, learned in school, is one of the big reasons I believe that >opening the borders to anyone and everyone, while relaxing the vetting >process, is a path to destruction for our society. The only reason I can >think of that one would feel otherwise is if one longs for those not-so-good >old days of chaos and lawlessness.

    Bill Gates likes the idea of having open borders. Let everybody
    come. Those who can make it here deserve to stay. Those who are
    not able to do so will return to wherever they came from.

    IMHO, the politicians that push for such want just that. They want to >introduce some chaos and lawlessness so that they can assert control.

    Hope and Change. Worked for Obama.

    Make America Great Again. Worked for Trump.

    Make America Safe Again. Worked for ???

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Ward Dossche on Sunday, June 09, 2019 05:22:24
    Hello Ward,

    Where do you think the early Americans, who came over from Europe, >MP>learned it from?

    Vladinir Putin

    As interviewed by Oliver Stone.

    I have the transcripts.

    But watching the movie is more fun.

    --Lee

    --
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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Lee Lofaso on Sunday, June 09, 2019 12:12:52
    What cost? Those who are seeking asylum have nothing but the
    clothes on their backs. They have committed no crimes, and are
    trying their best to survive. Denying people their basic rights
    is to deny them their own humanity. Is that who you are or want
    to be? It is not who most Americans are, or want to be. We are
    better than that, as individuals and a people.

    Before you can begin to have a conversation or even a debate you should first understand that there is a cost.

    Put down that mint julep your drinking and learn something.

    https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/sorry-but-illegal-aliens-cost-the -u-s-plenty/

    https://personalliberty.com/how-much-do-illegal-immigrants-really-cost-the-unit ed-states/

    Your suggestion of statement "what cost?" You're indicating that there is no cost. Additionally, your stance implies that the goods and services that are being provided are free from any charge or effort.

    This is one of the failed core beliefs of the Democratic Party. Selling themselves as do gooders and hero's who provide a savior, to those in need.
    On the surface and at first glance, it looks good. This is not only a mirage but it is also a intentional placed specter and therefore unreal.

    When you examine the real intentions as to why this is being done, you can clearly see that these people known as migrants are being used as pawns and are being exploited. It has nothing to do with compassion or giving hope for those who have a desperate need. As nothing in life is free. There is always a cost.

    This is where allegiance and loyalty come into the mix. These people on the left have a desperate need of power they want the joy of control and are looking to maintain it at any cost, once it is theirs again. This is a hunger and a thirst that drives the left into making false claims and accusations without any merit about the President.

    Their statements are outrageous as they also treasonous.
    Nasty Nancy saying that
    "I do not want to see the President impeached, I want to see him in Prison."

    or that other arrogant piece of trash from Missouri Maria Chappelle-Nadal who wrote "I hope Trump is assassinated."

    Then as a defense for her stupidity, she points to freedom of speech, as if to indicate that she is permitted and free to say anything that spills or falls out of her mouth and expects no consequence. I would suggest a complete and swift medical procedure known as a complete glossectomy. She has no business being the voice of anyone, with statements such as those.
    Black lives matter? - activist? An excuse to act up and not show any existence of civility - none. In its place, there always seems to be trail of destruction and chaos. Black Lives Matter - indeed... How about All Lives Matter...

    So you can see now that there is very little distinction of difference between a drug addict wanting more and more drug to sustain that feeling of bliss.
    Just as drug addict they do not care of what they say or do because of that burning desire of thirst that propels them to the conquest of power.

    Applying for citizenship is part of the process. The USA has
    a chain immigration policy,

    If you have been following the recent developments? The tariffs against Mexico are no longer needed, as they have seemed to received the Presidential Memo
    and now understand the seriousness of the matter and are much better
    partners, let us all hope, that this progress continues.

    Mr Spock would take issue with that, understanding it is a human
    condition to get emotional. But he was Vulcan, except in rare moments
    of ecstacy when on a certain planet ...

    Mr. Spock also said "Insufficient facts always invite danger."

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to mark lewis on Sunday, June 09, 2019 12:38:30
    People that cross our borders illegally are law breakers. They viola rights as a law abiding American citizen.

    come again? what rights of yours are they violating if they break a law somewhere? does this also apply to the domestic terrorists roaming our streets today? does it also apply to the mass murders that have shot up our clubs, hotels, concerts and schools?

    I can see by your statement that you do not seem to care or even acknowledge that U.S. Sovereignty is something that should be protected and cherished.
    As long as you are not personally effected you don't seem to care much about what happens and you also seem o.k. that this violation occurs. There are those of us that do care a great deal that this is as we have defined it to be a travesty as well as vile disgraceful act.

    Further reading of why it does matter.

    https://preview.tinyurl.com/y2sag5pj

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  • From Steven Wolf@1:267/160 to mark lewis on Sunday, June 09, 2019 17:47:55
    Re: Re: Insults
    By: Gregory Deyss to mark lewis on Sun Jun 09 2019 12:38 pm

    People that cross our borders illegally are law breakers. They viola rights as a law abiding American citizen.

    come again? what rights of yours are they violating if they break a law somewhere? does this also apply to the domestic terrorists roaming our

    Yes all the people you mentioned violate MY right and my families right to the freedoms guaranteed by the US constitution. The US constitution ONLY protects US citizens. If they are citizens of the US and break the Law they will be punished under US law. People think the entire world is protected by the US constitution. They are NOT! And they are NOT entitled to those protections UNTIL they BECOME US citizens LEGALLY! NOBODY is "entitled" to break our Laws and invade our country just because the one they live in and born in is a "shit hole". Fight back and Fix it. That's what the US and it's allies did against Hitler. Stand up to these cowardly "gangs" stealing and killing". Even if it kills YOU! BUT DON'T come to MY country and make ME pay for your problems. My father and my fathers father and his father fought for our freedoms. Don't come to MY country to pawn your children off on our already broken healthcare system. First we need to take care of our own US Citizens before we take care of any foreign invaders.




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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Steven Wolf on Monday, June 10, 2019 01:43:02
    On 06-09-19 17:47, Steven Wolf <=-
    spoke to Mark Lewis about Re: Insults <=-

    somewhere? does this also apply to the domestic terrorists roaming our

    Yes all the people you mentioned violate MY right and my families
    right to the freedoms guaranteed by the US constitution. The US constitution ONLY protects US citizens. If they are citizens of the US

    You are wrong. Most constitution protections apply to undocumented
    immigrants. All are entitiled to a fair trial, and to most of the rest
    of the protections afforded to you and me.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Gregory Deyss on Monday, June 10, 2019 09:59:36
    On 2019 Jun 09 12:38:30, you wrote to me:

    People that cross our borders illegally are law breakers. They viola
    rights as a law abiding American citizen.

    come again? what rights of yours are they violating if they break a
    law somewhere? does this also apply to the domestic terrorists
    roaming our streets today? does it also apply to the mass murders
    that have shot up our clubs, hotels, concerts and schools?

    I can see by your statement that you do not seem to care or even acknowledge that U.S. Sovereignty is something that should be
    protected and cherished.

    ORLY? how does my above statement about what is going in here in the US have anything to do with US Sovereignty? that's a completely different topic and one
    not under discussion in this thread...

    )\/(ark

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Steven Wolf on Monday, June 10, 2019 10:02:58
    On 2019 Jun 09 17:47:54, you wrote to me:

    People that cross our borders illegally are law breakers. They
    viola rights as a law abiding American citizen.

    come again? what rights of yours are they violating if they break a
    law somewhere? does this also apply to the domestic terrorists
    roaming our

    Yes all the people you mentioned violate MY right and my families
    right to the freedoms guaranteed by the US constitution.

    again, what rights of yours are being violated?

    The US constitution ONLY protects US citizens.

    i think you need to read it again...

    If they are citizens of the US and break the Law they will be punished under US law.

    even if they break the law while in other countries?

    People think the entire world is protected by the US constitution.
    They are NOT!

    no kidding?

    And they are NOT entitled to those protections UNTIL they BECOME US citizens LEGALLY!

    has anyone become a citizen illegally?

    NOBODY is "entitled" to break our Laws and invade our country just
    because the one they live in and born in is a "shit hole".

    i wonder what the native american's thought about that...

    Fight back and Fix it. That's what the US and it's allies did against Hitler. Stand up to these cowardly "gangs" stealing and killing".

    and yet we have nazis/facisists marching in our streets...

    Even if it kills YOU! BUT DON'T come to MY country and make ME pay
    for your problems. My father and my fathers father and his father
    fought for our freedoms.

    as did mine... i was also in the USAF...

    Don't come to MY country to pawn your children off on our already
    broken healthcare system.

    it needs to be decommercialized, that's for sure... big pharma has a tight grip
    and is raking us over the coals for medicines... do you remember when you did not see commercials on TV about medicines? i do...

    First we need to take care of our own US Citizens

    agreed 100%...

    before we take care of any foreign invaders.

    i don't see any "foreign invaders"...

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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to Dale Shipp on Monday, June 10, 2019 15:40:03
    You are wrong. Most constitution protections apply to undocumented immigrants. All are entitiled to a fair trial, and to most of the rest
    of the protections afforded to you and me.

    It's all good. I have absolutely no need for money and have no problem paying the world's medical bills.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to mark lewis on Monday, June 10, 2019 20:35:05
    ORLY? how does my above statement about what is going in here in the US have anything to do with US Sovereignty? that's a completely different topic and one not under discussion in this thread...

    No it's one in the same, it was your very first sentence.

    come again? what rights of yours are they violating if they break a
    law somewhere?

    Then the second sentence you went on to another topic, talking about domestic terrorists. Deliberately changing the subject, far be it for Conservative to make a valid point. Can not have that.. Nevertheless, the point was made.
    The violation of U.S. Sovereignty occurs when migrants cross the border without authorization, that is why it's called a violation. Furthermore before they get caught 'breaking the law somewhere' - whatever that case is, IT would of been the second time that the law was broken, because I do consider the first act of breaking the law was committed when they entered MY Nation illegally.

    - They didn't just step on a Star Trek transporter pad in Mexico and moments later started to materialize here in the U.S. because that was the destination that was fed into the computer matrix.

    - Nor did they step out of the Tardis, after it landed here in the U.S.

    Wrong is wrong Mark, if you could acknowledge that, then that would be great..

    To date all you want to ask is, Does their actions affect me personally, and yet and still - totally and completely ignoring that the act is wrong.

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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to mark lewis on Tuesday, June 11, 2019 08:57:11
    NOBODY is "entitled" to break our Laws and invade our country just because the one they live in and born in is a "shit hole".

    i wonder what the native american's thought about that...

    Ask a native what they think about illegal immigration, the answer might
    shock ya!

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Gregory Deyss on Tuesday, June 11, 2019 12:50:26
    On 2019 Jun 10 20:35:04, you wrote to me:

    ORLY? how does my above statement about what is going in here in the
    US have anything to do with US Sovereignty? that's a completely
    different topic and one not under discussion in this thread...

    No it's one in the same, it was your very first sentence.

    sorry? what first sentence?

    come again? what rights of yours are they violating if they break a
    law somewhere?

    Then the second sentence you went on to another topic, talking about domestic terrorists. Deliberately changing the subject,

    not changing the subject... pointing out the fallacy of the arguments... "you" carry on about so-called illegal immigrants yet say nothing about non-immigrants who are killing and terrorizing our country...

    far be it for Conservative to make a valid point.

    it has nothing to do with being a so-called conservative...

    [trim]

    To date all you want to ask is, Does their actions affect me
    personally,

    i have not asked that at all...

    and yet and still - totally and completely ignoring that the act is
    wrong.

    the act of domestic terrorism is certainly wrong... entering this country and asking for asylum is not wrong...

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to aaron thomas on Tuesday, June 11, 2019 12:57:32
    On 2019 Jun 11 08:57:10, you wrote to me:

    NOBODY is "entitled" to break our Laws and invade our country just
    because the one they live in and born in is a "shit hole".

    i wonder what the native american's thought about that...

    Ask a native what they think about illegal immigration, the answer
    might shock ya!

    i doubt that ;)

    )\/(ark

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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to Lee Lofaso on Tuesday, June 04, 2019 08:07:58
    El Paso is much safer than the rest of America. Next question?

    Thanks to the border wall that was recently built there.

    Why should Americans have these special privileges when this
    country refuses to grant others those same privileges?

    Americans should have all the privileges that America has to offer.
    Guatemalans should have all the privileges that Guatemala has to offer.
    We should not fight for the rights of deceased illegal immigrants.

    Why does this country insist on cremation for illegals who die
    in this country? Why does this country insist on billing the families

    Illegal immigrants cremate innocent Americans every day, either inside our vehicles, or on some quiet side street. But legal cremation costs money. Do
    you wanna pay for illegal immigrant cremation bills?

    There have been at least 6 immigrant children who have died as a

    Nobody is dying from Trump's policy. Kids are dying because of poor choices made by their parents, or poor choices made by their kidnappers.

    are from. Not that some are better refugees than others. Let them

    Syrians want to come here because being alive is illegal in their country,
    and since they are lousy swimmers, they can't just barge in like a Salvadoran who's hungry for White Castle. Should we tell the Syrians "Sorry, no time for helping you with your little genocide problem, we're busy with 20,000 central americans who have been working for low wages in their home countries."

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Tuesday, June 04, 2019 18:44:00
    Nobody is dying from Trump's policy. Kids are dying because of poor choices made by their parents, or poor choices made by their kidnappers.

    +1

    Mike

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to mark lewis on Tuesday, June 04, 2019 20:17:02
    On 01 Jun 2019, mark lewis said the following...

    On 2019 Jun 01 12:32:00, you wrote to DALE SHIPP:

    They crossed the border and asked for assylum, which they are entitled
    to do under US law.

    The problem is that a lot of them are not entitled to it, under US law.

    that is determined after they are on US soil and request asylum... one cannot request asylum without being on US soil... that is the law...

    What happens when these illegals, who were granted asylum are provided an appearance ticket to reappear for immigration court.

    They are never seen or heard from again.
    The only way they would be is if they once again broke the law.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Lee Lofaso on Tuesday, June 04, 2019 21:00:27
    There have been at least 6 immigrant children who have died as a
    result of Trump's "zero tolerance" policy, after having been separated from their families. And you call this country "generous"?

    They died, and that is tragic, but that does not make it Trump's fault, nor is he responsible for their deaths, try blaming the irresponsible parents who dragged them across the desert.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to aaron thomas on Wednesday, June 12, 2019 03:20:11
    Hello Aaron,

    You are wrong. Most constitution protections apply to undocumented >DS>immigrants. All are entitiled to a fair trial, and to most of the rest >DS>of the protections afforded to you and me.

    It's all good. I have absolutely no need for money and have no problem
    paying the world's medical bills.

    If you took a vacation to France and had a medical emergency,
    the French would fix you up with a bottle of cognac and send
    you on your way.

    If you took a vacation to England and had a medical emergency,
    the Brits would fix you up with a bottle of rum and send you on
    your way.

    If you took a vacation to Russia and had a medical emergency,
    the Russians would fix you up with a bottle of vodka and send
    you on your way.

    If you took a vacation to Japan and had a medical emergency,
    the Japanese would fix you up with a bottle of sake and send
    you on your way.

    If you took a vacation to Louisiana and had a medical emergency,
    Cajuns would fix you up with a bottle of absinthe and send you on
    your way.

    If you took a vacation to Utah and had a medical emergency,
    Mormons would fix you up with a bottle of <i will not say it
    i will not say it> and never let you leave.

    --Lee

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