• Paul P Attack

    From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to All on Sunday, October 30, 2022 18:04:37
    Just as I suspected:

    The leftists are using the attack on Paul Pelosi as an election tool!

    Biden's WH spokesperson said the attack "was similar to the January 6 attack!"

    Here's what I make of all this:
    The other leftists were angry with Paul for getting the recent DUI charge, and then by trying to use a get-out-of-jail-free card he had in his wallet. Democrats don't need all this negative attention while they're stealing our money and trying to win elections (we're a few days away from election day.)

    So they hired this lunatic 2 kill to birds with 1 stone: give payback to Paul, then claim the attacker was a MAGA nut, to make people feel sorry for elitist globalist leftist scumbags, and scare up some votes.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Aaron Thomas on Sunday, October 30, 2022 20:20:04
    Just as I suspected:

    You were expecting the attack?

    The leftists are using the attack on Paul Pelosi as an election tool!

    An election tool? Is that what you think this is?

    Biden's WH spokesperson said the attack "was similar to the January 6 attack!"

    The attacker shouted "Where Nancy", Where's Nancy"

    I recall chants like that on January 6.

    Here's what I make of all this:

    I can hardly wait.

    The other leftists were angry with Paul for getting the recent DUI charge, and then by trying to use a get-out-of-jail-free card he had in his wallet.

    A "get out of jail free card". I see.

    Democrats don't need all this negative attention while they're stealing our money and trying to win elections (we're a few days away from election day.)

    Democrats are not "getting all this negative attention".

    So they hired this lunatic 2 kill to birds with 1 stone: give payback to

    Who hired "this lunatic"?

    Paul, then claim the attacker was a MAGA nut, to make people feel sorry for elitist globalist leftist scumbags, and scare up some votes.

    No one has to claim he "was a MAGA nut". It is obvious.

    You sure can spin up a story though, I'll give you that.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Alan Ianson on Monday, October 31, 2022 05:50:30
    Biden's WH spokesperson said the attack "was similar to the January 6 attack!"

    The attacker shouted "Where Nancy", Where's Nancy"

    Yea the January 6 rioters only wanted to take a dump on her desk. This crazy guy wanted to hit her with a hammer!

    The other leftists were angry with Paul for getting the recent DUI charg and then by trying to use a get-out-of-jail-free card he had in his wall

    A "get out of jail free card". I see.

    Yes, it's not actually called that, but it's a card that shows that Paul is a member of a police benevolent association. He hoped that they'd let him go
    once they saw that, but they didn't. (Cops are conservatives.)

    Democrats are not "getting all this negative attention".

    Not in the media but on the street.

    So they hired this lunatic 2 kill to birds with 1 stone: give payback to

    Who hired "this lunatic"?

    This was just one possible scenario. Maybe nobody hired him, but his work is paying off for the Democrats because now everyone's crying for Paul. "Poor Paul! Just because his wife's a Democrat! I guess we'd better vote for his
    wife then!"

    No one has to claim he "was a MAGA nut". It is obvious.

    How is that obvious?

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, October 31, 2022 06:03:00
    Yea the January 6 rioters only wanted to take a dump on her desk. This crazy guy wanted to hit her with a hammer!

    They did take a dump in her office. But they were there to kill Mike Pence and Nancy Pelosi. Have you forgotten the facts? maybe you never cared about the facts.

    https://youtu.be/5isWkG5ntzo

    I do believe Trump will be indicted for his involvement in the events of that day and also for the theft of government documents, among other things.

    A "get out of jail free card". I see.

    Yes, it's not actually called that, but it's a card that shows that Paul is a member of a police benevolent association. He hoped that they'd let him go once they saw that, but they didn't. (Cops are conservatives.)

    Cops are human beings and should never obstruct justice.

    Democrats are not "getting all this negative attention".

    Not in the media but on the street.

    Maybe in MAGA world.

    Who hired "this lunatic"?

    This was just one possible scenario. Maybe nobody hired him, but his work is paying off for the Democrats because now everyone's crying for Paul. "Poor Paul! Just because his wife's a Democrat! I guess we'd better vote for his wife then!"

    Things like this should never happen. Why would it?

    Why do you speak ill of Paul? Why are you so but hurt that democrats stand with him at this time?

    No one has to claim he "was a MAGA nut". It is obvious.

    How is that obvious?

    Are you kidding me? Really?

    Well, you must already know the facts and that is why you try all these deflections.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, October 31, 2022 09:52:57
    On 30 Oct 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    Here's what I make of all this:
    The other leftists were angry with Paul for getting the recent DUI
    charge, and then by trying to use a get-out-of-jail-free card he had in his wallet. Democrats don't need all this negative attention while
    they're stealing our money and trying to win elections (we're a few days away from election day.)
    So they hired this lunatic 2 kill to birds with 1 stone: give payback to Paul, then claim the attacker was a MAGA nut, to make people feel sorry for elitist globalist leftist scumbags, and scare up some votes.

    Did your "psychic" tell you this? Because as far as I can tell, you've got no evidence to back any of it up.

    It's far more likely that some brainwashed right-wing nutjob, hyped up on conservative hate speech and acting alone, tried to assassinate a member of
    the Democrat leadership but failed because she wasn't where he'd thought
    she'd be.

    Jeff.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Alan Ianson on Monday, October 31, 2022 16:16:45
    They did take a dump in her office. But they were there to kill Mike

    I know that people died, and because of that especially, the crimes committed are significant. People are getting killed every day in Democrat-run cities but for some reason Congress isn't interested in that.

    Joe claimed responsibilty for an airstrike in Afghanistan that killed 11 children. What went wrong? Why doesn't congress investigate that? Because
    the victims weren't members of congress?

    They did take a dump in her office. But they were there to kill Mike

    I love that detail. The perfect place to leave a fresh one is right next to a stale one.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Monday, October 31, 2022 16:18:17
    Did your "psychic" tell you this? Because as far as I can tell, you've
    got no evidence to back any of it up.

    No it's just obvious because of how it happened a week before election day and then quickly got turned into an anti-Republican talking point.

    It's far more likely that some brainwashed right-wing nutjob, hyped up on conservative hate speech and acting alone, tried to assassinate a member of the Democrat leadership but failed because she wasn't where he'd thought she'd be.

    Let's see the guy's voter registration card and let's see how fit he is to stand trial. But more importantly, let's try to pin it on Trump, or white nationalists.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, October 31, 2022 17:07:33
    On 31 Oct 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    Did your "psychic" tell you this? Because as far as I can tell, you'v got no evidence to back any of it up.
    No it's just obvious because of how it happened a week before election
    day and then quickly got turned into an anti-Republican talking point.

    Your "theory" is not obvious at all. Instead, it smacks of someone trying to
    do damage control.

    It's far more likely that some brainwashed right-wing nutjob, hyped u conservative hate speech and acting alone, tried to assassinate a mem of the Democrat leadership but failed because she wasn't where he'd thought she'd be.
    Let's see the guy's voter registration card and let's see how fit he is
    to stand trial. But more importantly, let's try to pin it on Trump, or white nationalists.

    His social media posts say quite a bit about his political stances. Whether he's fit to stand trial or not has little to do with his motive. Some of his posts had to do with the 2020 election and the 1/6 insurrection, so Trump is
    at least partly responsible. I'm not sure that white nationalists had
    anything to do with it, but that's a marginally better "theory" than your original one.

    Jeff.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Aaron Thomas on Tuesday, November 01, 2022 01:24:20
    I know that people died, and because of that especially, the crimes committed are significant. People are getting killed every day in Democrat-run cities but for some reason Congress isn't interested in that.

    I thought we were discussing the Paul P attack?

    But now you want to put a new spin on this old and debunked "people are getting killed every day in Democrat-run cities" right wing talking point?

    Joe claimed responsibilty for an airstrike in Afghanistan that killed 11 children. What went wrong? Why doesn't congress investigate that? Because
    the victims weren't members of congress?

    And you also want to talk about Afghnistan?

    There is nothing for congress to investigate, that is why they don't investigate it.

    They did take a dump in her office. But they were there to kill Mike

    I love that detail. The perfect place to leave a fresh one is right next to a stale one.

    Yes, I get it.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Tuesday, November 01, 2022 13:47:00
    His social media posts say quite a bit about his political stances. Whether he's fit to stand trial or not has little to do with his moti Some of his posts had to do with the 2020 election and the 1/6 insurrection, so Trump is at least partly responsible. I'm not sure t white nationalists had anything to do with it, but that's a marginall better "theory" than your original one.
    He's extremely mentally ill according to his ex girlfriend, but let's
    just blame it on "Trump rhetoric" because that's what "most" idiots want to hear.

    "Mentally ill" and "driven to action by lies and violent rhetoric" are not mutually exclusive.

    Jeff.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Tuesday, November 01, 2022 01:09:31
    His social media posts say quite a bit about his political stances. Whether he's fit to stand trial or not has little to do with his motive. Some of his posts had to do with the 2020 election and the 1/6 insurrection, so Trump is at least partly responsible. I'm not sure that white nationalists had anything to do with it, but that's a marginally better "theory" than your original one.

    He's extremely mentally ill according to his ex girlfriend, but let's just blame it on "Trump rhetoric" because that's what "most" idiots want to hear.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Alan Ianson on Wednesday, November 02, 2022 02:16:54
    I know that people died, and because of that especially, the crimes comm are significant. People are getting killed every day in Democrat-run cit but for some reason Congress isn't interested in that.

    I thought we were discussing the Paul P attack?

    Yea but the media says that the Paul P attack was "political violence" that happened as a result of "Trump rhetoric" and that it's "synonymous with the January 6 attack."

    But now you want to put a new spin on this old and debunked "people are getting killed every day in Democrat-run cities" right wing talking
    point?

    I wouldn't call it "debunked." Unless the media is lying about all the crimes in Philadelphia, Baltimore, Washington DC, and/or Chicago.

    I'm not trying to spin us off topic or anything, I just want to point out that there seems to be a lot of concern for Paul P but not much concern for "8 people killed & dozens injured over the weekend by gunfire in Chicago."

    But if one of those 8 people had been married to a congressional prune, we'd
    be frantically seeking new laws and money to "stop the political violence."

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Tuesday, November 01, 2022 22:13:16
    On 02 Nov 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    But if one of those 8 people had been married to a congressional prune, we'd be frantically seeking new laws and money to "stop the political violence."

    Paul Pelosi was attacked because of, and not in spite of, who he is. It was 100% a political attack.

    Jeff.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Aaron Thomas on Tuesday, November 01, 2022 20:23:40
    I thought we were discussing the Paul P attack?

    Yea but the media says that the Paul P attack was "political violence" that happened as a result of "Trump rhetoric" and that it's "synonymous with the January 6 attack."

    Yeah, that's because that's what Paul P's attacker said.

    I wouldn't call it "debunked."

    Yeah, that right wing talking point is debunked.

    Unless the media is lying about all the crimes in Philadelphia, Baltimore, Washington DC, and/or Chicago.

    Yeah, bad boys and liars are as old as the garden of eden. It's not a democrat thing. Republican states fair just as badly.

    I'm not trying to spin us off topic or anything, I just want to point out that there seems to be a lot of concern for Paul P but not much concern for "8 people killed & dozens injured over the weekend by gunfire in Chicago."

    Chicago has always been that way, even in Al Capone's time.

    But if one of those 8 people had been married to a congressional prune, we'd be frantically seeking new laws and money to "stop the political violence."

    The attack on Paul Pelosi was not your average assault. It was politicaly motivated. It was a politcal attack, political violence.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Wednesday, November 02, 2022 02:40:44
    "Mentally ill" and "driven to action by lies and violent rhetoric" are
    not mutually exclusive.

    I think I remember Trump telling us to "hit leftists with hammers." He's nuts though, and I don't wish that on anyone.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Wednesday, November 02, 2022 07:11:30
    On 02 Nov 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    "Mentally ill" and "driven to action by lies and violent rhetoric" ar not mutually exclusive.
    I think I remember Trump telling us to "hit leftists with hammers." He's nuts though, and I don't wish that on anyone.

    You know better than that. Calls to violence need not be so specific. You+re just grasping at straws now.

    Jeff.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Wednesday, November 02, 2022 04:18:18
    Paul Pelosi was attacked because of, and not in spite of, who he is. It was 100% a political attack.

    Or maybe 1% political and 99% mental illness?

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Alan Ianson on Wednesday, November 02, 2022 04:27:22
    I wouldn't call it "debunked."

    Yeah, that right wing talking point is debunked.

    Name a Republican-led city that has had as many shooting deaths as Philadelphia or Baltimore (in recent years?)

    The attack on Paul Pelosi was not your average assault. It was politicaly motivated. It was a politcal attack, political violence.

    The motive of a mentally ill person can't be easily labeled. What did he stand to gain? Was he angry with Nancy or was he angry with Paul? What was he angry about?

    If I attack Justin Trudeau, because I just don't like his hair, then is that a "political attack?"

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Wednesday, November 02, 2022 08:34:52
    On 02 Nov 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    Paul Pelosi was attacked because of, and not in spite of, who he is. was 100% a political attack.
    Or maybe 1% political and 99% mental illness?

    Nice try at minimizing the role of violent rhetoric in political speech, but no. It wasn't one thing that was said, but a continued repitition of violent rhetoric.

    Jeff.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Wednesday, November 02, 2022 14:02:09
    not mutually exclusive.
    I think I remember Trump telling us to "hit leftists with hammers." H nuts though, and I don't wish that on anyone.

    You know better than that. Calls to violence need not be so specific. You+re just grasping at straws now.

    "Fight like hell" is what we're doing right now; fighting to save America from 2 more years of tyranny, fighting to keep capitalism alive, and fighting for equality.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Wednesday, November 02, 2022 09:28:06
    On 02 Nov 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    I think I remember Trump telling us to "hit leftists with hammer nuts though, and I don't wish that on anyone.
    You know better than that. Calls to violence need not be so specific. You+re just grasping at straws now.
    "Fight like hell" is what we're doing right now; fighting to save
    America from 2 more years of tyranny,

    Mischaracterizing the Biden administration as "tyranny" and claiming that you are fighting said "tyranny" "like hell" is exactly the type of hyperbolic, violent rhteoric that we're talking about. Trump, who tried to stage a coup
    in order to illegally remain in power, is far closer to a tyrant than Biden
    is.

    fighting to keep capitalism alive,

    Capitalism is alive and well, and in no danger from the Biden administration.

    and fighting for equality.

    That is laughable. Aside from the 2nd amendment, everything conservatives try to do is aimed at restricting rights, not expanding them.

    Jeff.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Wednesday, November 02, 2022 14:04:47
    Or maybe 1% political and 99% mental illness?

    Nice try at minimizing the role of violent rhetoric in political speech, but no. It wasn't one thing that was said, but a continued repitition of violent rhetoric.

    All political rhetoric involving skin color IS violent rhetoric.

    We should focus on the violence against police that resulted from the Democrats' violent "Defund the Police" rhetoric.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Wednesday, November 02, 2022 11:55:19
    On 02 Nov 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    Or maybe 1% political and 99% mental illness?
    Nice try at minimizing the role of violent rhetoric in political spee but no. It wasn't one thing that was said, but a continued repitition violent rhetoric.
    All political rhetoric involving skin color IS violent rhetoric.

    BS. That is an unsupportable lie.

    We should focus on the violence against police that resulted from the Democrats' violent "Defund the Police" rhetoric.

    The "Defund the Police" rhetoric was not violent. It was a reasoned call to allow police to focus on policing and have others take care of the things
    that police are called upon to do that have nothing to do with policing.
    There was nothing violent about it.

    Jeff.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Jeff Thiele on Saturday, December 03, 2022 18:47:41
    On 02 Nov 2022, Jeff Thiele said the following...

    The "Defund the Police" rhetoric was not violent. It was a reasoned call to allow police to focus on policing and have others take care of the things that police are called upon to do that have nothing to do with policing. There was nothing violent about it.

    Others like who? People who might be part of the problem?
    Who would have that authority and who would even want that massive responsibility to make this judgment call.
    Let cops do their jobs and you do you.

    No the violence comes when these nonsensical persons who making these
    requests get what they have been asking for and get to de-fund the Police. This will be HELL - Unleashed!

    The mere mentioning of such a request SHOULD be immediately be met with a
    board of inquiry (hearing) and be countered with mandatory class based on fundamentals of right and wrong, followed by a why one comment form.
    As to why they are making such a request in the first place.

    If de-funding the Police comes to be a reality there will be unstoppable and continuous crime and it will only empower & embolden the criminal mind.
    Who will return the peace, when gangs form and claim territories of city blocks, terrorizing every corner of the city.

    Maybe commissioner Gordon can rush to the top of Police Headquarters and flash the Bat Signal? What your suggesting is just as ridiculous, not to mention is totally preposterous as well as dangerous because these are the exact ingredients of a bloodbath.

    A rational mind is required at this time. Not liberal ones who obviously
    have not thought through one element w/ any type of clarity.
    Not even slightly. You're insane!

    De-funding the Police is not the answer. They are there to Protect and Serve remember? Furthermore de-funding the Police will lead to chaos and a lot more death without this check and balance in place. There should be more cops in schools and in after school programs (in summer programs too.) As well on the basketball courts and within the inner cities in general to change this ridiculous notion and (complete lie) that one needs to fear the Police.
    This notion needs to be eliminated just because your skin may be brown that this does NOT mean that your a criminal or up to no good.
    Cops have families too, they want to return to them at the end of their shift.

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  • From Roman Petrovich@2:250/5 to All on Wednesday, December 07, 2022 18:15:00
    Sorry for interfering in the discussion. But I have an American friend. He
    has a lot of legal firearms. And there are many like him in America. He is a war veteran and does not like communists. I think you'll have to ask these guys to clean up your streets if the gangs get bold. No one can offend Americans in America as long as you have "Rednecks" with basements full of weapons. Just give them a call. I think you will be happy with the results.

    <Gregory Deyss>
    On 02 Nov 2022, Jeff Thiele said the following...

    The "Defund the Police" rhetoric was not violent. It was a reasoned
    call
    to allow police to focus on policing and have others take care of the things that police are called upon to do that have nothing to do with policing. There was nothing violent about it.

    Others like who? People who might be part of the problem?
    Who would have that authority and who would even want that massive responsibility to make this judgment call.
    Let cops do their jobs and you do you.

    No the violence comes when these nonsensical persons who making these requests get what they have been asking for and get to de-fund the Police. This will be HELL - Unleashed!

    The mere mentioning of such a request SHOULD be immediately be met with a board of inquiry (hearing) and be countered with mandatory class based on fundamentals of right and wrong, followed by a why one comment form.
    As to why they are making such a request in the first place.

    If de-funding the Police comes to be a reality there will be unstoppable
    and
    continuous crime and it will only empower & embolden the criminal mind.
    Who will return the peace, when gangs form and claim territories of city blocks, terrorizing every corner of the city.

    Maybe commissioner Gordon can rush to the top of Police Headquarters and flash
    the Bat Signal? What your suggesting is just as ridiculous, not to
    mention is
    totally preposterous as well as dangerous because these are the exact ingredients of a bloodbath.

    A rational mind is required at this time. Not liberal ones who obviously
    have not thought through one element w/ any type of clarity.
    Not even slightly. You're insane!

    De-funding the Police is not the answer. They are there to Protect and
    Serve
    remember? Furthermore de-funding the Police will lead to chaos and a lot more
    death without this check and balance in place. There should be more cops
    in
    schools and in after school programs (in summer programs too.) As well on the
    basketball courts and within the inner cities in general to change this ridiculous notion and (complete lie) that one needs to fear the Police.
    This notion needs to be eliminated just because your skin may be brown
    that
    this does NOT mean that your a criminal or up to no good.
    Cops have families too, they want to return to them at the end of their shift.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Roman Petrovich on Saturday, December 10, 2022 04:27:32
    On 07 Dec 2022, Roman Petrovich said the following...

    Sorry for interfering in the discussion.

    You're not interfering and your comments are most welcomed.

    But I have an American friend.
    He has a lot of legal firearms. And there are many like him in America.
    He is a war veteran and does not like communists. I think you'll have to
    No one can offend Americans in America as long as you have "Rednecks" basements full of weapons. Just give them a call. I think you will be happy with the results.

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    * Origin: Capital Station BBS * Telnet://csbbs.dyndns.org * (1:267/150)