• Impeachment or not

    From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Monday, June 10, 2019 00:52:00
    On 06-09-19 12:12, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Lee Lofaso about Re: Insults <=-

    This is a hunger and a thirst that drives the left into making false claims and accusations without any merit about the President.

    Their statements are outrageous as they also treasonous.
    Nasty Nancy saying that
    "I do not want to see the President impeached, I want to see him in Prison."

    You need to examine that quote in the context and circumstances in which
    it was made.

    To start with, for the House to impeach Trump would result in nothing of
    value to the Democrats. The fact is that the Republican Senate would
    never convict Trump, and so in the end nothing would be accomplished.

    What she is saying is that she would rather focus on having Trump not be elected to a second term. If and When that happens, he would then be
    subject to indictment and trial on the multiple instances of obstruction
    of Justice that Mueller documented -- with evidence. It is possible
    that he would be convicted and thus end up in prison. That is a real punishment for the crimes he has committed.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Monday, June 10, 2019 06:52:52
    On 10 Jun 2019, Dale Shipp said the following...

    On 06-09-19 12:12, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Lee Lofaso about Re: Insults <=-

    This is a hunger and a thirst that drives the left into making false claims and accusations without any merit about the President.

    Their statements are outrageous as they also treasonous.
    Nasty Nancy saying that
    "I do not want to see the President impeached, I want to see him in Prison."

    You need to examine that quote in the context and circumstances in which it was made.

    It does not matter what the circumstances were, there is no excuse for this
    to be spoken in any context.
    DS>
    To start with, for the House to impeach Trump would result in nothing of value to the Democrats. The fact is that the Republican Senate would never convict Trump, and so in the end nothing would be accomplished.

    What she is saying is that she would rather focus on having Trump not be elected to a second term. If and When that happens, he would then be subject to indictment and trial on the multiple instances of obstruction of Justice that Mueller documented -- with evidence. It is possible
    that he would be convicted and thus end up in prison. That is a real punishment for the crimes he has committed.

    That's arrogant presumption on her part, it's not up to her. (if the President is re-elected or not) she is only 1 vote and we already know that Nancy, nor her followers - on which direction that their vote will be cast.

    How can there be any impeachment or any indictment when there was no crime?
    To spite whatever back door Robert Mueller wants to leave open.
    The investigation is completed and so is the opportunity for an encore.

    There is no possibility of prison when there is no crime.

    As for his chances on being re-elected, I would say the following, they are
    dam good, the country is doing much better then when Obama was re-elected for
    a second term.

    However, what is it from your perspective that the President is guilty of?
    I really want you to think about that. First let me enlighten you on what it can't be. The firing of James Comey, The FBI Director serves at the word of the President of which is (or was in this case) his boss.
    Which means there was no crime committed with his firing.

    It can not be the Russian dossier, this was completely made up
    (more like a rough draft of a chapter from the book fifty shades of grey.)

    There was no "proven" collusion or obstruction.
    Again if there is no crime, then there can not be any indictment or impeachment.

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Gregory Deyss on Monday, June 10, 2019 10:12:30
    On 2019 Jun 10 06:52:52, you wrote to Dale Shipp:

    Their statements are outrageous as they also treasonous. Nasty Nancy
    saying that "I do not want to see the President impeached, I want to
    see him in Prison."

    You need to examine that quote in the context and circumstances in
    which it was made.

    It does not matter what the circumstances were, there is no excuse for this to be spoken in any context.

    but chanting "Lock her up!" is allowed?

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to mark lewis on Monday, June 10, 2019 20:47:17
    It does not matter what the circumstances were, there is no excuse fo this to be spoken in any context.

    but chanting "Lock her up!" is allowed?

    Absolutely!
    It's called demanding justice.
    She smashed up blackberry's and treated hard-drives to bleach-bit and deleted thirty thousand emails, that were under subpoena for her to surrender.
    Then she has the audacity to claim that "there is nothing to see here."
    Then to additionally claim that she is innocent.
    rrrrright. Guilty 100 percent.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Tuesday, June 11, 2019 00:48:00
    On 06-10-19 06:52, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Impeachment or not <=-

    You need to examine that quote in the context and circumstances in which it was made.

    It does not matter what the circumstances were, there is no excuse for this to be spoken in any context.

    Why not -- it is a perfectly conservative and practical approach to the situation.

    How can there be any impeachment or any indictment when there was no crime? To spite whatever back door Robert Mueller wants to leave open.

    Once again, you are proving that you have not bothered to read the
    Mueller report and are accepting the word of Barr. The Mueller report
    outlines multiple occasions which would give rise to a charge and
    probable conviction of anyone other than the sitting president.

    The investigation is completed and so is the opportunity for an
    encore.

    Not an encore -- things are still going on.

    There is no possibility of prison when there is no crime.

    That is not for you to say. It is for the courts to say. And multiple
    legal experts have publically stated that there are ten cases of
    obstruction of justice which will be prosecutable if Trump is not
    reelected.

    As for his chances on being re-elected, I would say the following,
    they are dam good, the country is doing much better then when Obama was re-elected for a second term.

    However, what is it from your perspective that the President is guilty
    of? I really want you to think about that. First let me enlighten you
    on what it can't be. The firing of James Comey, The FBI Director
    serves at the word of the
    President of which is (or was in this case) his boss.
    Which means there was no crime committed with his firing.

    There is a crime if the firing was done with criminal intent, e.g. to
    twart the investigation into his wrong doings. That is just one of the
    ten documented examples of obstruction in the Mueller report. Read it.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to mark lewis on Tuesday, June 11, 2019 09:02:59
    It does not matter what the circumstances were, there is no excuse fo this to be spoken in any context.

    but chanting "Lock her up!" is allowed?

    President Trump didn't chant that - I think you're experiencing context
    issues. Rally attendees can chant whatever they want, but when a
    congresswoman chants something about a co-worker (Trump) it makes for an unproductive future.

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Gregory Deyss on Tuesday, June 11, 2019 13:01:02
    On 2019 Jun 10 20:47:16, you wrote to me:

    It does not matter what the circumstances were, there is no excuse
    for this to be spoken in any context.

    but chanting "Lock her up!" is allowed?

    Absolutely!
    It's called demanding justice.

    really?

    She smashed up blackberry's and treated hard-drives to bleach-bit and deleted thirty thousand emails,

    suggest you take that up with her lawyers... they were the ones that did that...

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to aaron thomas on Tuesday, June 11, 2019 12:59:08
    On 2019 Jun 11 09:02:58, you wrote to me:

    It does not matter what the circumstances were, there is no excuse
    fo this to be spoken in any context.

    but chanting "Lock her up!" is allowed?

    President Trump didn't chant that

    i didn't say that he did... i will say that he incited it, though...

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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to mark lewis on Tuesday, June 11, 2019 23:34:16
    but chanting "Lock her up!" is allowed?

    President Trump didn't chant that

    i didn't say that he did... i will say that he incited it, though...

    Ilhan Omar incited the synagogue shooting in Pittsburgh. Hillary Clinton incited Anthony Weiner's sexting. Andrew Cuomo incites human trafficking and drug smuggling. Everyone incites something.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Wednesday, June 12, 2019 01:42:00
    On 06-11-19 18:09, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Impeachment or not <=-

    All of this was and still is a complete waste of time.
    The report came out sometime ago, if there was anything in there to
    ACT upon those actions would of already taken place by now.

    Have you read the public facing part of the report? It certainly does
    not sound like it.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Wednesday, June 12, 2019 08:40:29
    All of this was and still is a complete waste of time.
    The report came out sometime ago, if there was anything in there to ACT upon those actions would of already taken place by now.

    Have you read the public facing part of the report? It certainly does
    not sound like it.

    public facing part?
    What does that even mean?

    Do you mean to say? When will it happen, when will that day come? That the people will become so disgusted and so disenfranchised with all of the negative spin and fake news that is deliberately planted to create chaos.
    When will the people become outraged enough so that they stop supporting him? When will this medicine that is being spoon-fed take and do its bidding to leave the American public brainwashed.

    Your party has miscalculated and are illogical, it is sad too - they are
    all wondering when all of this will happen the Presidents endgame.
    The American people have eyes, and they can see of what is being attempted here. The intent is not hidden, it might as well be in plain sight.

    You do not need to be a rocket scientist, to understand what it is that they are trying to do. I am going to tell right now, it will not be, even remotely of any success. They are many who are very proud that the President has withstood and continues to do so.

    They had 2+ years with the brightest law minds in the country and this report is the result.

    Sure there are those within the Democratic party that are connected to the hip of the very same body (the lefty media) who wanted and still do want to go after the president. They offer multiple angles of analysis hoping that vilification with be the result, as a means to discredit him.

    One does not need to understand the legal mumbo-jumbo to know that there was nothing found of any significance, as it relates to the President Trump.

    All they care about is the headline and the final result of the report.

    N O C O L L U S I O N
    N O O B S T R U C T I O N

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gregory Deyss on Wednesday, June 12, 2019 18:25:15
    Hello Greg,

    It wasn't that long ago that black folks who were falsely accused
    by an unruly mob demanding the same kind of "justice".

    Thank goodness, that more and more African-Americans (more to come) are no >longer looking to the Democrats for solutions to the issues. All that has >been delivered in the past were empty promises, which has been seen and
    felt
    very quickly as life continues to degrade to new lows.
    The expectation of hope and change just never did anything of any
    significance.

    According to the most recent Quinnipiac University poll -

    Among African Americans -

    Joe Biden 85%
    Donald Trump 12%

    Hope & Change? You betchum!

    Among Hispanics -

    Joe Biden 58%
    Donald Trump 33%

    Among women -

    Joe Biden 60%
    Donald Trump 34%

    Even among independents, the former vice president wins hands down -

    Joe Biden 58%
    Donald Trump 28%

    Overall, among all groups -

    Joe Biden 53%
    Donald Trump 40%

    And it is not just Joe Biden who is beating the pants
    off Donald Trump -

    Bernie Sanders +9
    Kamala Harris +8
    Elizabeth Warren +7
    Pete Buttigieg +5
    Cory Booker +5

    Time to face the truth. The president is a loser.
    Better for him to give up politics and return to his golf game.
    Even if nobody else will join him on the golf course.

    The job market did a complete turn around, that is the difference between
    the lack of skill president (who said "The jobs are gone, and they are not >coming back") vs someone who knows how to turn things around to with
    multiple
    record breaking results, and not just in the job market.

    He isn't getting much credit, given the looks of the latest poll
    results. Must have been the Obama economy they were thinking of.

    She smashed up blackberry's and treated hard-drives to bleach-bit and >LL> > deleted thirty thousand emails, that were under subpoena for her to
    surrender. Then she has the audacity to claim that "there is nothing
    to s
    here." Then to additionally claim that she is innocent. rrrrright.
    Guilty
    100 percent.

    Hillary Clinton is the most investigated person in the US.
    The director of the FBI concluded no crime was committed.

    Yeah, because everyone thought that she would be Madam President.

    She received almost 3 million more votes than her nearest opponent.
    Without any help from Russia. The current occupant in the White
    House is not a legitimate president, and neither is his sidekick,
    as they received a ton of help from Russia to get there.

    Given the claims you making are totally unsupported and >LL>unsubstantiated,

    Currently... Perhaps...

    No evidence has been shown to date. And in this country, guilt
    by accusation is not good enough to put folks in jail.

    but I have a feeling that they will not remain that way.

    Thank god we do not have a dictatorship. Even with a mad ruler
    like what we have today, there are limits as to what he can do.

    Understand that I am no nostradamus, but I predict they these so called
    unsupported and unsubstantiated claims will become known as facts of embarrassment.

    "If I win I am going to instruct my attorney general to get
    a special prosecutor to look into your situation - there has
    never been so many lies and so much deception."
    ~ Donald Trump, 2nd presidential debate

    Really? What is he waiting for? His term in office is almost up.
    Only a few months left to keep his campaign promise ...

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to aaron thomas on Wednesday, June 12, 2019 18:25:21
    Hello Aaron,

    ml> GD> It does not matter what the circumstances were, there is no
    excuse fo
    ml> GD> this to be spoken in any context.
    ml>
    ml> but chanting "Lock her up!" is allowed?

    President Trump didn't chant that - I think you're experiencing context >issues. Rally attendees can chant whatever they want, but when a >congresswoman chants something about a co-worker (Trump) it makes for an >unproductive future.

    "If I win I am going to instruct my attorney general to get
    a special prosecutor to look into your situation - there has
    never been so many lies and so much deception."
    ~ Donald Trump, 2nd presidential debate

    Hillary Clinton responded to Trump's threat to lock her up
    by saying it was "awfully good" that someone with the temperament
    of Trump was not in charge of the law in the country. Which
    prompted Trump to respond in kind -

    "Because you'd be in jail." ~Donald Trump

    He continued is rant by adding -

    "She got caught in a total lie and now she is blaming the lie
    on the late, great Abraham Lincoln." ~Donald Trump

    Go ahead. Dig out the transcripts. Read the words of your
    loony tunes president as he went toe-to-toe with Secretary Clinton
    in the second presidential debate.

    After threatening to put her in jail, he went on to complain
    about the moderators, claiming they were being easy on Clinton
    while asking him all the hard questions ...

    --Lee

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Gregory Deyss on Wednesday, June 12, 2019 12:37:54
    On 2019 Jun 11 18:09:06, you wrote to Dale Shipp:

    There is a crime if the firing was done with criminal intent, e.g. to
    twart the investigation into his wrong doings. That is just one of
    the ten documented examples of obstruction in the Mueller report.
    Read it.

    All of this was and still is a complete waste of time. The report came
    out sometime ago, if there was anything in there to ACT upon those
    actions would of already taken place by now.

    you really don't have a clue how slowly the wheels of gov't work, do you?

    The findings are concluded

    no they are not... the investigation is concluded...

    and it is finally over, the investigation was the final curtain,

    no it is/was not... there is still more work to be done assembling everything to see if there is another step to be taken...

    you can twist it and turn it into any shape that you wish,

    same can be said to you...

    but at the end of the day it changes nothing.

    it could change everything... you are not prescient...

    Donald J. Trump is still the President

    he is, for now...

    and he will be the President until the end of his next term 2024,








    so get use it & stop being so triggered.

    the only one here that is triggered is you ;)

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Gregory Deyss on Wednesday, June 12, 2019 12:42:28
    On 2019 Jun 11 18:18:10, you wrote to me:

    It does not matter what the circumstances were, there is no excuse
    for this to be spoken in any context.

    but chanting "Lock her up!" is allowed?

    Absolutely! It's called demanding justice.

    really?

    Most Seriously..

    you are too funny sometimes... it was a chant... not a demand... if it was a demand, who were they making the demand of? what happens when you demand something? think about it, eh? ;)

    Of course still I think the ways are best. Tarred and Feathered and carried through the cobblestone streets of Boston.

    of course you do...

    She smashed up blackberry's and treated hard-drives to bleach-bit
    and deleted thirty thousand emails,

    suggest you take that up with her lawyers... they were the ones that
    did that...

    I do not believe that any lawyer would have the ability to save her,

    trying to change the subject again? i didn't say anything about any lawyers saving her... i said they were the ones that performed those actions... reading
    comprehension is a GoodThing<tm>...

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to aaron thomas on Wednesday, June 12, 2019 12:47:48
    On 2019 Jun 11 23:34:16, you wrote to me:

    but chanting "Lock her up!" is allowed?

    President Trump didn't chant that

    i didn't say that he did... i will say that he incited it, though...

    Ilhan Omar incited the synagogue shooting in Pittsburgh. Hillary
    Clinton incited Anthony Weiner's sexting. Andrew Cuomo incites human trafficking and drug smuggling. Everyone incites something.








    i thought this was a political echo, not a jokes echo... you guys are too funny!!

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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to Lee Lofaso on Wednesday, June 12, 2019 14:31:58
    "Because you'd be in jail." ~Donald Trump

    That's not actually a lie - he wasn't the president when she went on her
    crime spree.

    "If I win I am going to instruct my attorney general to get
    a special prosecutor to look into your situation - there has

    How do we know he didn't have it looked into?

    Go ahead. Dig out the transcripts. Read the words of your
    loony tunes president as he went toe-to-toe with Secretary Clinton
    in the second presidential debate.

    Watching the debates made me feel bad for Hillary because she was so weak and easy to beat. I bet it made Trump feel bad to talk to a lady like that, but
    it was pretty much all the truth. Then the guy went on to fulfill many of his promises; notvery common for elected officials.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to mark lewis on Wednesday, June 12, 2019 18:39:48
    I do not believe that any lawyer would have the ability to save her,

    trying to change the subject again? i didn't say anything about any lawyers saving her... i said they were the ones that performed those actions... reading comprehension is a GoodThing<tm>...

    I really wasn't... but tell me Mark, did these lawyers take it upon themselves to do this? That's kinda of strange, don't ya think? Lawyers doing such things that another hired thug could do just as effectively. I wonder if these people were real lawyers or just people dressed up in a pant suit, just like the witch who hired them.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to mark lewis on Wednesday, June 12, 2019 18:27:01
    no it is/was not... there is still more work to be done assembling everything to see if there is another step to be taken...

    It's Over! There will be nothing of any significance coming from it.
    To spite what backdoor that they built into it.

    A couple of weeks I typed what his finding were or more importantly what they were not.

    the only one here that is triggered is you ;)

    No Mark, I am not remotely triggered, I am not the one talking about how this circus of a investigation was going to be the end of Donald Trump, I am also not the one who points to falsehoods and other lefty fake news about the President.

    Yeah so NO, I am not the one who is triggered, just as I was not one who
    was triggered before he was elected, when I in several messages within
    fidonet explained of my positivity for Donald Trump, I was laughed at, snickered at, and made fun of, I was told in many different ways that I was out of my mind, and that there was no way that Donald Trump would ever be the President.

    well.. well.. well.. tisk-tisk. Where are these loud mouths now? Hiding?
    That's ok... I like winning, specially when I'm right.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Lee Lofaso on Wednesday, June 12, 2019 17:57:07
    According to the most recent Quinnipiac University poll -

    Didn't you learn anything the last time, that people were quoting information from the polls?

    Apparently not, just gonna have to wait and be patient. I am not remotely concerned nor am I worried.

    When Donald Trump wins in a landslide, I will be here to say "Told ya so! "

    "If I win I am going to instruct my attorney general to get
    a special prosecutor to look into your situation - there has
    never been so many lies and so much deception."
    ~ Donald Trump, 2nd presidential debate

    Really? What is he waiting for? His term in office is almost up.
    Only a few months left to keep his campaign promise ...

    We are in the year 2019 and the election is not until 2020, are you drinking again?

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Gregory Deyss on Wednesday, June 12, 2019 20:21:54
    On 2019 Jun 12 18:27:00, you wrote to me:

    no it is/was not... there is still more work to be done assembling
    everything to see if there is another step to be taken...

    It's Over!

    it is not over... look at how it goes with the police... same thing... they investigate and write a report then the prosecutor decides if they are going to
    go to the grand jury and see what the grand jury says... if they say trial, then it goes to trial... it may be a year or more... the investigation may be several years, too... it doesn't all happen at the drop of a hat or snap of the
    fingers...

    There will be nothing of any significance coming from it.

    you are not prescient... you do not know...

    To spite what backdoor that they built into it.

    what??? "to spite"?? who is going to spite something?? what ""backdoor"" are you thinking of? have you even read the report???

    A couple of weeks I typed what his finding were or more importantly

    what??? "couple of week i typed"??? dude, you make no sense at times...

    the only one here that is triggered is you ;)

    No Mark, I am not remotely triggered,

    really?

    I am not the one talking about how this circus of a investigation was going to be the end of Donald Trump,

    no, you're one of the ones trying to say the report exhonerates him and it doesn't... you are taking the word of someone else and believing what they said
    and it is known that they falsified what the report actually says... GO READ THE REPORT!

    I am also not the one who points to falsehoods and other lefty fake
    news about the President.

    no, you point to the righty falsehoods and fake news instead...

    Yeah so NO, I am not the one who is triggered, just as I was not one
    who was triggered before he was elected,

    i don't know who you are talking about... i'm not triggered and never have been... i knew the man was a con artist and grifter decades ago...

    well.. well.. well.. tisk-tisk. Where are these loud mouths now? Hiding? That's ok... I like winning, specially when I'm right.

    right leaning, maybe... but not correct in this situation about the report and what it says... instead you have wool pulled over your eyes and cannot see the road... have fun as you continue to drive blindly around...

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Gregory Deyss on Wednesday, June 12, 2019 20:31:14
    On 2019 Jun 12 18:39:48, you wrote to me:

    I do not believe that any lawyer would have the ability to save her,

    trying to change the subject again? i didn't say anything about any
    lawyers saving her... i said they were the ones that performed those
    actions... reading comprehension is a GoodThing<tm>...

    I really wasn't...

    sure, jan...

    but tell me Mark, did these lawyers take it upon themselves to do
    this? That's kinda of strange, don't ya think?

    they were hired to do a job and they did it as they saw fit within the law...

    Lawyers doing such things that another hired thug could do just as effectively.

    "another hired thug"??? what thug was hired in the first place?

    I wonder if these people were real lawyers or just people dressed up
    in a pant suit, just like the witch who hired them.

    dude, you really need to get off whatever it is that you're smoking or drinking... it has you all eff'ed up...

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to mark lewis on Wednesday, June 12, 2019 22:21:53
    have you even read the report???

    Reading the report is a huge waste of time which is equal to the amount of
    time wasted that it took to write it.

    It must of been an absolutely awful feeling to the reader once they realize that there is nothing within those 400+ pages that speaks to a crime being committed by the President. All of that hoping, that there would be something found and having those unproductive days at work as you stare out the window and day dream of the President being indicted and / or impeached and then poof those images within your mind are gone within an instant.

    So where does it go from here? Try this on for size, see how this fits?
    You or others will try to convince whomever will listen that there is still hope and there will be something found within the colossal amount of pages
    that make up the report. It will be a revelation! It will be something that
    was missed before and now is new again, and it will accomplish all those
    things that you had hoped for when you were reading at the beginning of the document.
    Sound at all familiar?

    There is no way, that this is going to happen, as it is a fantasy, not to mention abnormal behavior to think of such things. Then again, it is called
    the Trump Derangement Syndrome for a reason..

    I listened to his press release on the day the report was released. Then I
    very carefully watched and listened to his spoken word that was provided
    weeks later by the man himself at his televised press conference.

    That is good enough for me, as it should be good enough for anyone.

    There is no crime that was committed by Donald Trump. Therefore it is not possible for a indictment to be created, just as it would be illogical for impeachment to be brought forth.

    Like I said before it is over!

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Thursday, June 13, 2019 01:05:00
    On 06-12-19 08:40, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Impeachment or not <=-


    All of this was and still is a complete waste of time.
    The report came out sometime ago, if there was anything in there to ACT upon those actions would of already taken place by now.

    Have you read the public facing part of the report? It certainly does
    not sound like it.

    public facing part?
    What does that even mean?

    It means that part of the report that is available to the public, i.e.
    every thing except what has been redacted by the Attorney General, Barr.

    Do you mean to say? When will it happen, when will that day come? That

    I mean to say exactly what I said, a direct question. Have *you* read
    the Mueller report?

    One does not need to understand the legal mumbo-jumbo to know that
    there was nothing found of any significance, as it relates to the President Trump.

    False.

    All they care about is the headline and the final result of the
    report.
    N O C O L L U S I O N
    N O O B S T R U C T I O N

    That is what Barr said, it is not the Mueller report said. Do yourself
    a favor -- read the Mueller Report itself. You might learn something
    useful.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Lee Lofaso on Thursday, June 13, 2019 00:50:06
    On 06-12-19 18:25, Lee Lofaso <=-
    spoke to Gregory Deyss about Impeachment or not <=-

    Time to face the truth. The president is a loser.
    Better for him to give up politics and return to his golf game.
    Even if nobody else will join him on the golf course.

    The only problem with that is that if he is not elected for a second
    term, he will then be brought up on federal charges of at least ten
    counts of obstruction of justice as documented in the un-redacted part
    of the Mueller report. The statue of limitations will not have expired
    on Jan 2021.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Thursday, June 13, 2019 01:28:08
    On 06-12-19 22:21, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Mark Lewis about Re: Impeachment or not <=-


    have you even read the report???

    Reading the report is a huge waste of time which is equal to the
    amount of time wasted that it took to write it.

    So you admit that you cannot handle the truth?

    It must of been an absolutely awful feeling to the reader once they realize that there is nothing within those 400+ pages that speaks to a crime being committed by the President.

    False. The elements of a crime are very carefully laid out.

    I listened to his press release on the day the report was released.

    Whose press release? Barr's ? Barr totally gave the wrong summary of
    what the report said. And he was told so by Mueller. And then Barr
    lied to Congress by denying that Mueller had expressed disagreement with
    Barr. But still you trust Barr's four page summary versus what you
    could learn by reading the report itself for you own eyes?

    Then I very carefully watched and listened to his spoken word that was provided weeks later by the man himself at his televised press
    conference.

    Again, I think you mean Barr. That was where he continued to give false interpretation of what was said in the Mueller report. He was spinning
    things for Trump.

    That is good enough for me, as it should be good enough for anyone.

    So sad.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Gregory Deyss on Thursday, June 13, 2019 05:53:42
    On 2019 Jun 12 22:21:52, you wrote to me:

    have you even read the report???

    Reading the report is a huge waste of time which is equal to the amount of time wasted that it took to write it.

    * Noun. willful ignorance (uncountable) (idiomatic, law) A decision in bad faith to avoid becoming informed about something so as to avoid having to make undesirable decisions that such information might prompt.

    * Willful blindness (sometimes called ignorance of law,[1]:761 willful ignorance or contrived ignorance or Nelsonian knowledge) is a term used in law to describe a situation in which a person seeks to avoid civil or criminal liability for a wrongful act by intentionally keeping himself or herself unaware of facts that would render him or her liable or implicated.

    * used in legal contexts, the phrase "willful ignorance" has come to mean any situation in which people intentionally turn their attention away from an ethical problem that is believed to be important by those using the phrase (for
    instance, because the problem is too disturbing for people to want it dominating their thoughts, or from the knowledge that solving the problem would
    require extensive effort).


    you are admitting to complete, total, and willful ignorance* as to what the report actually says, then... that's bad... really really really bad... you're taking the word of someone that you don't even know and accepting it as gospel... i thought you were a smart person that knows and understands that that's how sheep, lemmings, and fanatics are controlled... seriously, you should read the report yourself so you can make up your own mind instead of allowing an unknown to shovel shite into your head... i've read it... dale's read it... others in here have read it... are we better than you because we took the time to read the report?

    i light of this admission of willful ignorance, i can go back to lurk mode and watching you exhibit said ignorance... i've gotta get some more tape to wrap my
    ribs from all the laughing, though...

    BTW: in case you can't tell, this conversation between us is over...

    PS: random tagline but it fits perfectly :ROTFL:

    )\/(ark

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Thursday, June 13, 2019 06:49:34
    So you admit that you cannot handle the truth?

    When there is no smoking gun, clearly one can determine the gun did not fire.

    It must of been an absolutely awful feeling to the reader once they realize that there is nothing within those 400+ pages that speaks to crime being committed by the President.

    False. The elements of a crime are very carefully laid out.

    elements? more like vague accusations that allow the reader to lean right or left - which ever political party that the reader affiliates with.

    Poorly written, there are no clear and decisive facts and no clear language that a crime was committed by Donald John Trump.
    (again this was deliberately written in the way.)

    It is the way it goes when you have to make stuff as you go. Dancing around making fantastic and alarming statements, coming dangerously close and then dialing it back, because those thoughts and feelings can not be proven.
    In America we all (including Trump) We ALL are innocent, until proven guilty.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Dale Shipp on Thursday, June 13, 2019 23:15:30
    Hello Dale,

    Time to face the truth. The president is a loser.
    Better for him to give up politics and return to his golf game.
    Even if nobody else will join him on the golf course.

    The only problem with that is that if he is not elected for a second
    term, he will then be brought up on federal charges of at least ten
    counts of obstruction of justice as documented in the un-redacted part
    of the Mueller report. The statue of limitations will not have expired
    on Jan 2021.

    The poll numbers do not look favorable for the golden one.
    His highest job approval ratings are 42%, which is where he
    is now. And he is losing big time to his most likely opponent
    by a landslide. Pretty much the only way he can win is if
    everybody else dies, including third party candidates.

    That means the only way he can stay in office is by refusing
    to leave. As commander in chief, he can order the troops to
    surround the palace (white house) and refuse entry to whoever
    comes knocking on the door.

    Problem is, 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue is public housing. We
    the people can turn out the lights, and leave the occupant without
    electricity or running water. Not sure how he would be able to
    communicate without his tweets ...

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Dale Shipp on Thursday, June 13, 2019 23:15:36
    Hello Dale,

    ml> have you even read the report???

    GD> Reading the report is a huge waste of time which is equal to the
    GD> amount of time wasted that it took to write it.

    So you admit that you cannot handle the truth?

    OMG! You are beginning to sound like Jack Nicholson! Please don't
    tell me you are not who I think you are! Even though the Lakers were
    truly bad this year. So bad they could not win even with LeBron ...

    .... or get the #1 draft pick (Pelicans beat them to that)

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gregory Deyss on Thursday, June 13, 2019 23:15:42
    Hello Greg,

    So you admit that you cannot handle the truth?

    When there is no smoking gun, clearly one can determine the gun did not
    fire.

    Donald Trump fired James Comey because he was investigating
    Russian interference in the US presidential election, including
    their connection with the Trump campaign.

    It must of been an absolutely awful feeling to the reader once they >DS>GD>realize that there is nothing within those 400+ pages that speaks to >DS>GD>crime being committed by the President.

    False. The elements of a crime are very carefully laid out.

    elements? more like vague accusations that allow the reader to lean right or
    left - which ever political party that the reader affiliates with.

    Regardless of party affiliation, no man is above the law. Including
    the POTUS. Bob Mueller is a Republican, but his motivation to do his
    job had nothing to do with party politics, but rather of enforcing
    the law. The law is not what Donald Trump says, regardless of how
    many times he might try to convince you of that.

    Poorly written, there are no clear and decisive facts and no clear language
    that a crime was committed by Donald John Trump. (again this was
    deliberately written in the way.)

    1000+ former federal prosecutors say you are wrong. It may be that
    you do not understand the words written by special counsel Bob Mueller,
    but whose fault is that?

    It is the way it goes when you have to make stuff as you go.

    Bob Mueller is not the kind of guy who makes stuff up.
    Although he is a man of few words, he means what he says,
    and says what he means. We all found that out when he
    finally came out and gave a short speech on the matter.

    Dancing around making fantastic and alarming statements, coming dangerously
    close and then dialing it back, because those thoughts and feelings can not be proven.

    Sounds like a guy in bright orange hair we know all too well ...

    In America we all (including Trump) We ALL are innocent, until proven
    guilty.

    "Ultimately, I'm always right." ~Donald Trump, 6/12/2019

    "If I win I am going to instruct my attorney general to get a special prosecutor to look into your situation - there have been so many lies
    and so much deception." ~Donald Trump, 2nd presidential debate

    Guilt by accusation. No need for a trial. Just lock her up.

    I'm sure Hillary was quaking in her boots. Bill too.

    --Lee

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Lee Lofaso on Thursday, June 13, 2019 22:07:21
    Donald Trump fired James Comey because he was investigating
    Russian interference in the US presidential election, including
    their connection with the Trump campaign.

    The President does not need a reason to fire the FBI Director. The FBI Director serves at the will of the President.

    Regardless of party affiliation, no man is above the law. Including
    the POTUS. Bob Mueller is a Republican, but his motivation to do his
    job had nothing to do with party politics, but rather of enforcing
    the law. The law is not what Donald Trump says, regardless of how
    many times he might try to convince you of that.

    You say that Robert Mueller is a stand up guy, ok I'll take that at face value but what about the other cast of players that made up the team.
    It would appear that there were some real snakes in that group.

    Just follow the money.
    https://preview.tinyurl.com/y9xwzcze

    Bob Mueller is not the kind of guy who makes stuff up.
    Although he is a man of few words, he means what he says,
    and says what he means. We all found that out when he
    finally came out and gave a short speech on the matter.

    Yes I know, I watched it. He did appear to be clear and concise.
    (and yet Mueller did not speak of a crime that was committed by Trump)

    This is not the gotcha moment that everyone was hoping for, not by a long
    shot. Before the report was out, the left was praising him and placing him upon the highest pedestal known to exist as they were impatiently waiting
    with vengeance upon their faces.
    - they did seem like they wanted to be carrying pitchforks.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to mark lewis on Thursday, June 13, 2019 22:25:25
    seriously, you should read the report yourself so you can
    make up your own mind instead of allowing an unknown to shovel shite
    into your head... i've read it... dale's read it... others in here have read it... are we better than you because we took the time to read the report?

    Challenge Accepted.
    Ok, I'll read it, let me know where to get it.
    I want the same version you and Dale have read.

    I will put the url onto a thumb drive and then take it into staples or the UPS store for printing, I will have it hole punched it and have it put into a binder for reading.

    BTW: in case you can't tell, this conversation between us is over...

    Ok Mark, that is fine, it's been fun as well as enjoyable.

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Gregory Deyss on Friday, June 14, 2019 09:06:54
    Yes I know, I watched it. He did appear to be clear and concise.
    (and yet Mueller did not speak of a crime that was committed by Trump)

    That is 100% correct.

    Things can be proven however by the proof of the inexistence of the opposite, Science is full of it.

    \%/@rd

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Friday, June 14, 2019 02:33:08
    On 06-13-19 22:25, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Mark Lewis about Re: Impeachment or not <=-


    seriously, you should read the report yourself so you can
    make up your own mind instead of allowing an unknown to shovel shite
    into your head... i've read it... dale's read it... others in here have read it... are we better than you because we took the time to read the report?

    Challenge Accepted.
    Ok, I'll read it, let me know where to get it.
    I want the same version you and Dale have read.

    There are many sources of the full redacted report. Do a google search
    on Mueller report full text and pick your favorite one.

    Here is just one of many: https://www.npr.org/2019/04/18/708850903/read-the-full-mueller-report-with-reda ctions

    I don't think that you can claim that NPR is a biased organization.
    (you may need to piece the URL together because of word wrap problems.)
    Or, use
    https://tinyurl.com/npr-mueller-rpt

    I will put the url onto a thumb drive and then take it into staples or
    the UPS store for printing, I will have it hole punched it and have it
    put into a binder for reading.

    It is a PDF file, you can read it on most computers without printing it.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Gregory Deyss on Friday, June 14, 2019 10:21:00
    On 2019 Jun 13 22:25:24, you wrote to me:

    seriously, you should read the report yourself so you can make up
    your own mind instead of allowing an unknown to shovel shite into
    your head... i've read it... dale's read it... others in here have
    read it... are we better than you because we took the time to read
    the report?

    Challenge Accepted.

    it isn't a challenge...

    Ok, I'll read it, let me know where to get it.

    i've already sent you the link... back on the 23rd of May... but here is that message again...

    ==== Begin "mueller_report.txt" ====
    = all-politics (1:3634/12.73) =================================================
    Msg : 5771 of 5982 Snt Loc
    From : mark lewis 1:3634/12.73 2019 05 23 09:54:30
    To : Gregory Deyss
    Subj : Well said, Mr. President ===============================================================================

    On 2019 May 23 07:30:08, you wrote to Dale Shipp:

    It was not determined that there was no obstruction -- Mueller's
    report documented evidence of at least ten instances for which Trump
    would have been charged if he were not a sitting President.

    It also says within the 400+ pages there was No Collusion and No Obstruction - perhaps you read it.

    the only occurances of "no collusion" in that document are quotes from others... the report, itself, does not state there was no collusion...

    the phrase "no obstruction" does not appear in the document at all...

    the two volume pdf is here...

    https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf

    have *you* read it? from your writings, it seems not... from your writings, you're swimming nostril deep in the koolaid...

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    I want the same version you and Dale have read.

    there's only one version available from the official US government site...

    I will put the url onto a thumb drive and then take it into staples or
    the UPS store for printing, I will have it hole punched it and have it
    put into a binder for reading.

    just read it in the pdf... why waste the trees printing it out? you read these electronic messages just fine so why can't you read the pdf the same way?

    BTW: in case you can't tell, this conversation between us is over...

    Ok Mark, that is fine, it's been fun as well as enjoyable.

    not really...

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Ward Dossche on Saturday, June 15, 2019 01:52:12
    Hello Ward,

    Yes I know, I watched it. He did appear to be clear and concise.
    (and yet Mueller did not speak of a crime that was committed by Trump)

    That is 100% correct.

    Mueller did not exonerate Trump of having committed any crimes,
    citing at least 10 instances dealing with obstruction of justice
    in which Trump may be guilty.

    Please do get your facts right.

    Things can be proven however by the proof of the inexistence of the
    opposite,

    If it could have been shown that Trump was innocent, Bob Mueller
    publicly stated he would have said so in his report. Fact is, he
    did not exonerate Trump, citing "insufficient evidence".

    Science is full of it.

    Bob Mueller and his team found some evidence of criminal wrongdoing,
    which is included in the report. Please read it. It's all in there.
    Just as Bob Mueller publicly stated.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gregory Deyss on Saturday, June 15, 2019 01:52:35
    Hello Greg,

    [..]

    Just follow the money.
    https://preview.tinyurl.com/y9xwzcze

    Mueller's report is the end result.

    Bob Mueller is not the kind of guy who makes stuff up.
    Although he is a man of few words, he means what he says,
    and says what he means. We all found that out when he
    finally came out and gave a short speech on the matter.

    Yes I know, I watched it. He did appear to be clear and concise.
    (and yet Mueller did not speak of a crime that was committed by Trump)

    Obstruction of justice is a crime. He did not exonerate Trump,
    citing "insufficient evidence". Had he and his team been able to
    exonerate him, Mueller would have said so. That is what he had
    publicly stated, so we should take him at his word. Unless you
    want to call him a liar. Which would not be advisable, given
    that he is a a decorated retired Marine captain.

    This is not the gotcha moment that everyone was hoping for, not by a long
    shot.

    Mueller certainly shot holes in AG Barr's made-up story.

    Before the report was out, the left was praising him and placing him upon
    the highest pedestal known to exist as they were impatiently waiting with vengeance upon their faces. - they did seem like they wanted to be carrying pitchforks.

    Since Mueller came out with his public statement concerning the
    Mueller report, the president and his cronies were seen scurrying
    about trying to find places to hide.

    And then, the former Marine left the building. Just like Elvis.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gregory Deyss on Saturday, June 15, 2019 01:52:41
    Hello Greg,

    Donald Trump fired James Comey because he was investigating
    Russian interference in the US presidential election, including
    their connection with the Trump campaign.

    The President does not need a reason to fire the FBI Director. The FBI
    Director serves at the will of the President.

    Trump wanted Comey to end the investigation into Russian interference
    of our elections. Comey refused to do so, so Trump fired him. The
    FBI director has a 10-year term, appointed by the president, but can
    be fired for reason. Since Trump did not have a legitimate reason to
    fire Comey, that could be viewed as an impeachable offense.

    Regardless of party affiliation, no man is above the law. Including >LL>the POTUS. Bob Mueller is a Republican, but his motivation to do his >LL>job had nothing to do with party politics, but rather of enforcing
    the law. The law is not what Donald Trump says, regardless of how
    many times he might try to convince you of that.

    You say that Robert Mueller is a stand up guy, ok I'll take that at face
    value

    He's a former Marine captain. Does things by the book. Always has.

    but what about the other cast of players that made up the team.

    With a Marine at the helm? You gotta be kiddin' me.

    It would appear that there were some real snakes in that group.

    Mueller and his team dissected one residing at 1600 Pennsylvania
    Avenue, among others. Please read his report. It's all in there.

    --Lee

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Lee Lofaso on Saturday, June 15, 2019 03:03:10
    On 06-15-19 01:52, Lee Lofaso <=-
    spoke to Ward Dossche about Impeachment or not <=-
    Yes I know, I watched it. He did appear to be clear and concise.
    (and yet Mueller did not speak of a crime that was committed by Trump)

    That is 100% correct.

    I believe that Ward was saying it is 100% correct that Mueller did not
    speak of a crime by Trump -- and it is true that Mueller did not say
    directly that Trump had committed a crime.

    Mueller did not exonerate Trump of having committed any crimes,
    citing at least 10 instances dealing with obstruction of justice
    in which Trump may be guilty.

    Please do get your facts right.

    Things can be proven however by the proof of the inexistence of the
    opposite,

    If it could have been shown that Trump was innocent, Bob Mueller
    publicly stated he would have said so in his report. Fact is, he
    did not exonerate Trump, citing "insufficient evidence".

    Your first sentence is accurate. But "insufficient evidence" is not why Mueller did not say that Trump committed the crime of obstruction. As
    he carefully laid out -- Mueller was not allowed to charge a sitting
    President with a crime and therefore could not say that a crime was
    committed. The "insufficient evidence" had to do with the possible
    charge of conspiracy in collaborating with the Russians -- mainly that
    he would have had to show that they (Jr., Kushner, and Manifort) knew
    that it was a violation of campaign law to accept something of value
    from a foreign government. Many examples of contacts between campaign officials and foreign governments were cited, but none for which a
    charge of conspiracy could be reasonably charged with expectation of conviction.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Tuesday, June 11, 2019 18:09:06
    There is a crime if the firing was done with criminal intent, e.g. to twart the investigation into his wrong doings. That is just one of the ten documented examples of obstruction in the Mueller report. Read it.

    All of this was and still is a complete waste of time.
    The report came out sometime ago, if there was anything in there to ACT upon those actions would of already taken place by now.

    The findings are concluded and it is finally over, the investigation was the final curtain, you can twist it and turn it into any shape that you wish, but at the end of the day it changes nothing.

    Donald J. Trump is still the President and he will be the President until the end of his next term 2024, so get use it & stop being so triggered.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to mark lewis on Tuesday, June 11, 2019 18:18:10
    On 11 Jun 2019, mark lewis said the following...


    On 2019 Jun 10 20:47:16, you wrote to me:

    It does not matter what the circumstances were, there is no excuse
    for this to be spoken in any context.

    but chanting "Lock her up!" is allowed?

    Absolutely!
    It's called demanding justice.

    really?

    Most Seriously..
    Of course still I think the ways are best.
    Tarred and Feathered and carried through the cobblestone streets of Boston.

    She smashed up blackberry's and treated hard-drives to bleach-bit and deleted thirty thousand emails,

    suggest you take that up with her lawyers... they were the ones that did that...

    I do not believe that any lawyer would have the ability to save her, better
    buy a small island somewhere and fall off the face of the earth.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Dale Shipp on Wednesday, June 12, 2019 03:19:52
    Hello Dale,

    DS> You need to examine that quote in the context and circumstances in which
    DS> it was made.

    GD> It does not matter what the circumstances were, there is no excuse
    for
    GD> this to be spoken in any context.

    Why not -- it is a perfectly conservative and practical approach to the situation.

    GD> How can there be any impeachment or any indictment when there was no
    GD> crime? To spite whatever back door Robert Mueller wants to leave
    open.

    Once again, you are proving that you have not bothered to read the
    Mueller report and are accepting the word of Barr. The Mueller report outlines multiple occasions which would give rise to a charge and
    probable conviction of anyone other than the sitting president.

    Over a thousand former federal prosecutors, without rebuttal,
    have said that.

    GD> The investigation is completed and so is the opportunity for an
    GD> encore.

    Not an encore -- things are still going on.

    Mueller's written report is finished. However, several individuals
    who have been indicted have yet to be tried in court.

    There is no possibility of prison when there is no crime.

    That is not for you to say. It is for the courts to say. And multiple
    legal experts have publically stated that there are ten cases of
    obstruction of justice which will be prosecutable if Trump is not
    reelected.

    That is an opinion, not based on precedent. AG Elliot Richardson
    had threatened to indict VP Spiro Agnew, and was prepared to do so.
    After thinking it over, Agnew decided to resign from office rather
    than fight a battle in court, as Richardson had the goods on him.

    After the Starr Report was made public, the doj issued an opinion
    that a sitting president could not be indicted. That is based on
    a prior opinion of the doj after the Agnew fiasco.

    Since there is no precedent, the question as whether a sitting
    president/vice president can or cannot be indicted remains open.

    Should it be doj policy to indict a sitting president or vice
    president? Or should it be left up to the Congress to decide how
    to deal with a president/vice president who has broken the law?

    The House can choose to act as prosecutor and jury, without
    sending the issue to the Senate for removal from office. IOW,
    the House can, in effect, try the president or vice president
    for crime(s) committed, vote to condemn (guilty verdict), then
    send him on his merry way - without removal from office.

    This would deny the Senate from exonerating the guilty.

    As for his chances on being re-elected, I would say the following,
    they are dam good, the country is doing much better then when Obama was >GD>re-elected for a second term.

    However, what is it from your perspective that the President is guilty >GD>of? I really want you to think about that. First let me enlighten you >GD>on what it can't be. The firing of James Comey, The FBI Director
    serves at the word of the
    President of which is (or was in this case) his boss.
    Which means there was no crime committed with his firing.

    There is a crime if the firing was done with criminal intent, e.g. to
    twart the investigation into his wrong doings. That is just one of the
    ten documented examples of obstruction in the Mueller report. Read it.

    What is the definition of "high crimes and misdemeanors"?
    The news media had asked Vice President Ford that very question
    when he assumed office, as President Nixon was being threatened
    with impeachment by the House. President Ford gave the best
    answer that could possibly be given - "Whatever the Congress
    says it is."

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to mark lewis on Wednesday, June 12, 2019 03:19:58
    Hello mark,

    GD>>> Their statements are outrageous as they also treasonous. Nasty
    Nancy
    GD>>> saying that "I do not want to see the President impeached, I want
    to
    GD>>> see him in Prison."

    DS>> You need to examine that quote in the context and circumstances in
    DS>> which it was made.

    GD> It does not matter what the circumstances were, there is no excuse
    for
    GD> this to be spoken in any context.

    but chanting "Lock her up!" is allowed?

    Only if it's a she.

    Not sure what the chant will be if he loses to Mayor Pete.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gregory Deyss on Wednesday, June 12, 2019 03:20:16
    Hello Greg,

    It does not matter what the circumstances were, there is no excuse fo >ml>GD>this to be spoken in any context.

    but chanting "Lock her up!" is allowed?

    Absolutely!
    It's called demanding justice.

    It wasn't that long ago that black folks who were falsely accused
    by an unruly mob demanding the same kind of "justice".

    She smashed up blackberry's and treated hard-drives to bleach-bit and
    deleted thirty thousand emails, that were under subpoena for her to surrender. Then she has the audacity to claim that "there is nothing to see here." Then to additionally claim that she is innocent. rrrrright. Guilty
    100 percent.

    Hillary Clinton is the most investigated person in the US.
    The director of the FBI concluded no crime was committed.
    Given the claims you making are totally unsupported and
    unsubstantiated, it should come as no surprise that nobody,
    including the current director of the FBI, believes they
    are credible.

    Therefore, why should anybody believe she is guilty of anything?
    Aside from marrying a guy named Bill.

    --Lee

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Lee Lofaso on Tuesday, June 11, 2019 21:41:55
    It wasn't that long ago that black folks who were falsely accused
    by an unruly mob demanding the same kind of "justice".

    Thank goodness, that more and more African-Americans (more to come) are no longer looking to the Democrats for solutions to the issues. All that has
    been delivered in the past were empty promises, which has been seen and felt very quickly as life continues to degrade to new lows.
    The expectation of hope and change just never did anything of any significance.

    The job market did a complete turn around, that is the difference between
    the lack of skill president (who said "The jobs are gone, and they are not coming back") vs someone who knows how to turn things around to with multiple record breaking results, and not just in the job market.

    She smashed up blackberry's and treated hard-drives to bleach-bit and deleted thirty thousand emails, that were under subpoena for her to surrender. Then she has the audacity to claim that "there is nothing to s here." Then to additionally claim that she is innocent. rrrrright. Guilty 100 percent.

    Hillary Clinton is the most investigated person in the US.
    The director of the FBI concluded no crime was committed.

    Yeah, because everyone thought that she would be Madam President.

    Given the claims you making are totally unsupported and
    unsubstantiated,

    Currently... Perhaps... but I have a feeling that they will not remain that way. Understand that I am no nostradamus, but I predict they these so called unsupported and unsubstantiated claims will become known as facts of embarrassment.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Dale Shipp on Monday, June 17, 2019 01:39:07
    Hello Dale,

    Yes I know, I watched it. He did appear to be clear and concise.
    (and yet Mueller did not speak of a crime that was committed by Trump)

    That is 100% correct.

    I believe that Ward was saying it is 100% correct that Mueller did not
    speak of a crime by Trump -- and it is true that Mueller did not say
    directly that Trump had committed a crime.

    That would have been an accusation, which would have been against
    doj policy (an indictment is a type of accusation, not a statement
    of guilt).

    Mueller did not exonerate Trump of having committed any crimes,
    citing at least 10 instances dealing with obstruction of justice
    in which Trump may be guilty.

    Please do get your facts right.

    Things can be proven however by the proof of the inexistence of the >>opposite,

    If it could have been shown that Trump was innocent, Bob Mueller >LL>publicly stated he would have said so in his report. Fact is, he
    did not exonerate Trump, citing "insufficient evidence".

    Your first sentence is accurate.

    I simply repeated what Mueller had publicly stated.

    But "insufficient evidence" is not why Mueller did not say that Trump
    committed the crime of obstruction.

    The statement "insufficient evidence" means not enough evidence
    to convict. Not that the target or subject under investigation is
    innocent.

    As he carefully laid out -- Mueller was not allowed to charge a sitting
    President with a crime and therefore could not say that a crime was committed.

    Mueller could have said anything he wanted. But under current
    doj policy, he would have been out of line had he done so.

    The "insufficient evidence" had to do with the possible
    charge of conspiracy in collaborating with the Russians --

    It is not a question of "possible" - as Mueller did not include
    speculation as to what might have occurred in his report - but actual
    events that happened.

    mainly that he would have had to show that they (Jr., Kushner, and Manifort)
    knew that it was a violation of campaign law to accept something of value from a foreign government.

    We all know Trump & Co. received something of value from a hostile
    power and refused to report it or turn it over to proper authorities.

    Many examples of contacts between campaign officials and foreign governments
    were cited, but none for which a charge of conspiracy could be reasonably charged with expectation of conviction.

    Not with a yes man as AG and a compliant Republican Senate.

    --Lee

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