• Killings

    From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Bob Ackley on Wednesday, June 05, 2019 22:53:00
    On 06-05-19 16:13, Bob Ackley <=-
    spoke to Mark Lewis about Insults <=-

    Mark, crossing the border anyplace but an authorized entry point is a crime, and the overwhelming majority of the illegals did that. That's once, and therefore 'again' is perfectly accurate.

    It is a misdemeanor, and not a serious crime.


    have they done something to you, personally?

    Nope. But there have been *several* instances of illegals committing crimes in the Omaha area, including one case of premeditated murder
    and at least one accidental killing (that perp escaped and fled back
    to Honduras)

    OK -- several instances of illegals committing crimes. How about the
    multiple instances of mass murders by white males in the past decade or
    so? Sounds like a bit more of a serious problem than "several
    instances ... incuding one accidental killing.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to Dale Shipp on Thursday, June 06, 2019 14:05:27
    It is a misdemeanor, and not a serious crime.

    A misdemeanor can be a pretty serious crime. There is no misdemeanor that
    looks good on a job application, rental application, or any application, besides a political refugee application.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to DALE SHIPP on Thursday, June 06, 2019 17:05:00
    OK -- several instances of illegals committing crimes. How about the multiple instances of mass murders by white males in the past decade or
    so? Sounds like a bit more of a serious problem than "several
    instances ... incuding one accidental killing.

    If you look up the numbers of who commits violent crimes, I don't think your comparison is going to work too good. Especially if you compare, say, the percentage of illegal alien males who commit violent crimes vs. the
    percentage of white males who do.

    Any stats I have seen would indicate that the percentage for the illegal
    males (and non-white males in general) is higher.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to aaron thomas on Friday, June 07, 2019 11:26:04
    Hello Aaron,

    It is a misdemeanor, and not a serious crime.

    A misdemeanor can be a pretty serious crime. There is no misdemeanor that >looks good on a job application, rental application, or any application, >besides a political refugee application.

    Applying for refugee status is not a criminal offense.
    And does not have to be mentioned on any job application.

    Why Trump hates immigrants is beyond me. His wife is an
    immigrant. His wife's parents are immigrants. His ex-wives
    also fit the same description. So who the hell does he think
    he is?

    Do you think his wife appreciates his comments about wanting
    to do away with chain migration? If she truly believed in what
    he said and wants to do, she never would have sponsored her own
    parents to come here.

    Good thing her son was born in the USA. Not that Donald had
    anything to do with being the [alleged] father of her child.

    --Lee

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Mike Powell on Friday, June 07, 2019 23:28:00
    On 06-06-19 19:05, Mike Powell <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Killings <=-


    OK -- several instances of illegals committing crimes. How about the multiple instances of mass murders by white males in the past decade or
    so? Sounds like a bit more of a serious problem than "several
    instances ... incuding one accidental killing.

    If you look up the numbers of who commits violent crimes, I don't
    think your comparison is going to work too good. Especially if you compare, say, the percentage of illegal alien males who commit violent crimes vs. the percentage of white males who do.

    My comment highlighted the mass killings, which do not seem to be
    discussed by those who are dead set against undocumented aliens. None
    have been done by undocumented aliens, only by white men.

    Any stats I have seen would indicate that the percentage for the
    illegal males (and non-white males in general) is higher.

    I'd be happy for you to share those stats with us -- including the
    source for them.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to DALE SHIPP on Saturday, June 08, 2019 08:25:00
    My comment highlighted the mass killings, which do not seem to be
    discussed by those who are dead set against undocumented aliens. None
    have been done by undocumented aliens, only by white men.

    So the relationship to a discussion on illegal aliens is... ???

    Actually, I see it as another arguement against illegal aliens. We already have our own problems, why invite more people in that you know nothing
    about?

    Mike

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Mike Powell on Saturday, June 08, 2019 09:40:24
    On 2019 Jun 08 10:25:00, you wrote to DALE SHIPP:

    My comment highlighted the mass killings, which do not seem to be
    discussed by those who are dead set against undocumented aliens. None
    have been done by undocumented aliens, only by white men.

    So the relationship to a discussion on illegal aliens is... ???

    your very own quote that you conveniently left out...

    ----- snip -----
    If you look up the numbers of who commits violent crimes, I don't
    think your comparison is going to work too good. Especially if you compare, say, the percentage of illegal alien males who commit violent crimes vs. the percentage of white males who do.
    ----- snip -----

    specifically "vs. the percentage of white males who do."...

    now here's a question... why is it that so many who are trying to stack the numbers in their favor always use percentages? ;)

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to Dale Shipp on Saturday, June 08, 2019 09:52:55
    Any stats I have seen would indicate that the percentage for the illegal males (and non-white males in general) is higher.

    I'd be happy for you to share those stats with us -- including the
    source for them.


    https://crime-data-explorer.fr.cloud.gov

    That is an FBI site. I found numbers from 2017 there.

    Poked around on here and, if only on here, I can find data that supports your idea that most violent criminals are white males... 46% (176,967) vs. 44% black (168,038), with the remainder of the 382,181 (37,176) being unknown, Asians, or native Americans, Alaskans, or Hawaiians.

    Ironically, they don't include "hispanic or latino" by itself like they do Asians and natives? You can also find another tab where it says most violent criminals are non-hispanic. I found that tab interesting, though, because it is missing just under 200,000 cases that were reported on the black vs. white vs. everything but hispanic tab. I also found through poking around that "hispanics" can be counted as white or black or eny of the other categories from the original page, which throws any direct comparison off, and throws any black-only and white-only numbers off.

    So Dale right, white man bad!

    But wait... that is the percentage total of all violent criminals, not of the total population.

    So, let's poke around on the US Census website:

    www.census.gov/quickfacts

    There are 327,167,434 persons in the USA, per the Census.
    60.7% report as being white only = 222,870,632
    13.4% report as being black only = 43,840,436
    10% report as being not black and not white, only, or mixed = 32,716,744 18.1% report as hispanic or latino = 59,217,306

    (but they give no "hispanic/latino only" number here, either, like they do for every other race and ethnicity listed... how odd... and they note that this group is also included in the other numbers, just like on the FBI site)

    The math above, to convert the total number of people reporting a race/ethincity on the census from a percentage to a total number is mine, so feel free to work it out yourself. I also added up the "not black and not white, only, or mixed" percentage as one, so check that also if you like.

    So, using the numbers from the FBI crime site against the Census Bureau numbers:

    White Violent Criminals as a percentage of Total White People in the US:
    White Violent Criminals / Total White People = percentage

    176,967 / 222,870,632 = 0.07% of whites committed violent crime in 2017.

    Black Violent Criminals as a percentage of Total Black People in the US:
    Black Violent Criminals / Total Black People = percentage

    168,038 / 43,840,436 = 0.38% of blacks committed violent crime in 2017.

    Total non-white VCs as a percentage of Total non-White people in the US: non-white VCs / non-white Total = percentage

    168,038 + 37,176 / 43840436 + 32716744 = 0.27% of non-whites committed violent crime in 2017.

    That is not really fair because Hispanics and Latinos are included in the White and Black FBI crime numbers, and there are no "Latino-only" numbers to compare to on the census site, but it does prove at least a part what I said above:

    The percentage of non-whites who will commit a violent crime is indeed higher than the percentage of whites who do so (at least, in 2017).

    As for illegal aliens commiting violent crime vs. whites who do so, my brief search of the Internet shows it is difficult to do so because (1)( No one seems to like counting latinos (legal or otherwise) as "latino-only" as they do people of other races and ethnicities; (2) being mostly undocumented, no one seems to know how many illegal aliens (latino or otherwise) there are in the USA; and (3) with illegal on illegal crime, the crime often goes unreported due to fear of reprisals from immigration officials.

    So, I guess we can go on believing what we both want regarding illegal aliens and violent crime. But the percentage of non-whites is indeed higher... nearly 4 times so.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Mike Powell on Saturday, June 08, 2019 23:24:00
    On 06-08-19 10:25, Mike Powell <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Killings <=-


    My comment highlighted the mass killings, which do not seem to be
    discussed by those who are dead set against undocumented aliens. None
    have been done by undocumented aliens, only by white men.

    So the relationship to a discussion on illegal aliens is... ???

    The relationship to the discussion is that a persistent talking point by
    those who want to "close the border / build the wall" is that so many of
    these immigrants are murderers and rapists (which is not really true),
    but those same people ignore that mass killings by white men are a
    bigger problem.

    Actually, I see it as another arguement against illegal aliens. We already have our own problems, why invite more people in that you know nothing about?

    We do know something about them. They are people who are eager to work,
    who take jobs that others will not take, who are vital to our
    agricultureal industry, and more. They contribute to our society.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Mike Powell on Sunday, June 09, 2019 00:06:02
    On 06-08-19 11:52, Mike Powell <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Killings <=-


    Any stats I have seen would indicate that the percentage for the illegal males (and non-white males in general) is higher.

    I'd be happy for you to share those stats with us -- including the
    source for them.

    <<SNIP>>
    IOW, you did not find any statistics to back up the frequent claims by
    the anti-immigrant forces that they are committing more crimes than
    those people who are already here as citizens or documented immigrants.
    I'm not surprised. That belief is fostered (festered?) by those pundits
    of fear -- starting with the lier in chief.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From BOB ACKLEY@1:123/140 to DALE SHIPP on Monday, June 10, 2019 12:38:02
    On 06-05-19 16:13, Bob Ackley <=-
    spoke to Mark Lewis about Insults <=-

    Mark, crossing the border anyplace but an authorized entry point
    is a
    crime, and the overwhelming majority of the illegals did that.
    That's
    once, and therefore 'again' is perfectly accurate.

    It is a misdemeanor, and not a serious crime.


    have they done something to you, personally?

    Nope. But there have been *several* instances of illegals
    committing
    crimes in the Omaha area, including one case of premeditated
    murder
    and at least one accidental killing (that perp escaped and fled
    back
    to Honduras)

    OK -- several instances of illegals committing crimes. How about the multiple instances of mass murders by white males in the past decade
    or
    so?

    How many of them got away with it? IMO *anybody* who commits a murder
    should be publicly hanged, slowly.

    Sounds like a bit more of a serious problem than "several
    instances ... incuding one accidental killing.

    In the case of the "accident" the perp was drunk and speeding, in a
    stolen car. The police didn't catch him, and by the time the police
    had ID'd him and gone looking for him he was gone
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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to BOB ACKLEY on Wednesday, June 12, 2019 01:20:04
    Hello Bob,

    Mark, crossing the border anyplace but an authorized entry point
    is a
    crime, and the overwhelming majority of the illegals did that.
    That's
    once, and therefore 'again' is perfectly accurate.

    It is a misdemeanor, and not a serious crime.


    have they done something to you, personally?

    Nope. But there have been *several* instances of illegals
    committing
    crimes in the Omaha area, including one case of premeditated
    murder
    and at least one accidental killing (that perp escaped and fled
    back
    to Honduras)

    OK -- several instances of illegals committing crimes. How about the
    multiple instances of mass murders by white males in the past decade
    or
    so?

    How many of them got away with it? IMO *anybody* who commits a murder
    should be publicly hanged, slowly.

    OJ Simpson is still looking for those mysterious strangers
    who offed his ex-wife and her lover.

    Sounds like a bit more of a serious problem than "several
    instances ... incuding one accidental killing.

    In the case of the "accident" the perp was drunk and speeding, in a
    stolen car. The police didn't catch him, and by the time the police
    had ID'd him and gone looking for him he was gone

    Kind of like those mysterious strangers who offed OJ Simpson's
    ex-wife and her lover. Except the police had ID'd him and found
    him driving away on the open highway.

    --Lee

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