Your operating from a standpoint that the (U.S.) will be the ones who are going to lose, this is not our nature.
History has shown again and again that we finish what someone else
starts.

This seems like the hallmark of short memories. The War of 1812 was not successful (technically the US lost it), you got your asses whipped in New Orleans, you backed Napoleon who got defeated, you backed the South-Vietnamese regime which became defeated (as was yourself), the US only joined WW2 after the fortunes of war in Europe had already turned against the Nazis, the US did not achieve military (or any other) success in Afghanistan nor Iraq nor Iran, the Spanish-American war was started on a lie (as was the invasion of Iraq), that landing at Mogadishu which was a joke and the US are still stuck in South Korea, the British and Canadians bailed the US out at Omaha Beach or it would have been a total carnage... there's more of that.

Our military budget is bigger then some of the foreign nations total wealth.

Your national debt is bigger too than that of the rest of the world combined.

Perhaps we know that they are the ones responsible from firing upon the
oil tankers, they can claim all the innocence all they want. They are
not the get along neighbor that anyone would want.

There's not a shred of evidence Iran was involved at all. Photos? I still see Colin Powel sweating at the UN Security Counsel.

They are a aggressive nation - funding terrorism. Interfering in international free waterways, controlling the straight where they have no business doing so.

These are all things the USA did and is doing too.

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Am 18 Jun 19 20:21:04 schrob Gregory Deyss an Ward Dossche zum Thema
<Re: War or Planefuls of Cash?>

History has shown again and again that we finish what someone else
starts.

Are you talking about the Vietnam War?

Our military budget is bigger then some of the foreign nations total wealth.

I think you are. And you won it with great success, at least in your own people's minds. Because when you ask someone on the street "Who won the Vietnam
War?", the answer is "We did!". :-)



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Hello Ward,

Your operating from a standpoint that the (U.S.) will be the ones who are >GD>going to lose, this is not our nature.
History has shown again and again that we finish what someone else >GD>starts.

This seems like the hallmark of short memories. The War of 1812 was not
successful (technically the US lost it), you got your asses whipped in New Orleans,

The British lost 3 generals and 8 colonels, while the Americans
lost 11 men. IOW, the Americans kicked butt, winning the Battle
of New Orleans decisively. Had the outcome been different, the
British never would have honored the Treaty of Ghent.

you backed Napoleon who got defeated,

The Louisiana Purchase was a business deal, with President Jefferson
sending the French an offer they could not refuse. This was more like
a swindle, as Jefferson did not have the funds to pay the French. He
had borrowed funds from Lloyd's of London, which the French gladly
accepted as payment. When it came time to repay the loan, well, that
is another story.

you backed the South-Vietnamese regime which became defeated (as was
yourself),

JFK made sure Diem never sold the South Vietnamese out.

the US only joined WW2 after the fortunes of war in Europe had already
turned against the Nazis,

The US entered WWII shortly after the events of Pearl Harbor in the
Pacific, and within the same month in the Atlantic. Long before the
tide had turned against the Japanese or the Nazis.

the US did not achieve military (or any other) success in Afghanistan nor
Iraq nor Iran,

The British were never able to conquer Afghanistan.
The Russians were never able to conquer Afghanistan.
The US was also never able to conquer Afghanistan.

Aghanistan is not even a country, but more like a tribal area.
Rudyard Kipling wrote about it long ago. Nothing has changed much
since his time.

The US overthrew Saddam Hussein and saw to it that he could never
return to power. But like Aghanistan, not much has really changed
in Iraq. Only instead of being led by Sunnis, it is led by Shiites.

At the end of WWII, Russia invaded part of Iran. Kind of like
what it did in Ukraine in 2014. But nobody likes to talk about
that. Certainly not the mullahs who are in power today.

The Taliban is no longer in charge of Afghanistan. Saddam Hussein
is history. Usama bin Laden has been fed to the fishes. And the
mullahs in Iran remain as unpopular today as they were decades ago.

the Spanish-American war was started on a lie (as was the invasion of Iraq),

And ended with Spain ceding lots of property to the US.

that landing at Mogadishu which was a joke and the US are still stuck in
South Korea,

Bill Clinton fixed the mess created by Bush41 in Mogadishu, and
the US remains committed to defending Koreans from anti-democratic
aggressors from the north.

the British and Canadians bailed the US out at Omaha Beach or it would have
been a total carnage...

Had the US stayed out of WWII and Hitler not allowed the British
to escape at Dunkirk, there never would have been any resistance in
France (or anywhere else in Europe). Russia would have had no real
defense, or the ability to push the Germans out once invaded. The
world would have belonged to Hitler and his Nazis, with everyone
speaking German (or Basic German rather than their native language).

there's more of that.

Yeah. Huey P. Long would have become President and FDR would have
retired to New York. An isolationist US would then have handed
Hitler all of Europe and Russia, and Tojo all of Asia. What a swell
world that would have been.

Donald J. Trump is an isolatonist. Just like Huey P. Long.
The only difference being that Huey P. Long never quite made
it to become President of the United States.

Our military budget is bigger then some of the foreign nations total >GD>wealth.

Your national debt is bigger too than that of the rest of the world
combined.

Oh, come now. Venezuela has a bigger national debt than the US.
So do many other countries. But Venezuela is hardly a military power.
Or an economic power.

European nations should pick up the tab for their own defense.
But that will never happen. Unless Donald J. Trump gets his way.

Perhaps we know that they are the ones responsible from firing upon the >GD>oil tankers, they can claim all the innocence all they want. They are >GD>not the get along neighbor that anyone would want.

There's not a shred of evidence Iran was involved at all. Photos? I still
see Colin Powel sweating at the UN Security Counsel.

The issue is not Colin Powell. After the events of 9-11, the
Congress passed the Authorization for the Use of Military Force
(AUMF), which gave the president all the authority he needed "to
use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations,
organizations, or persons he determines planned, authorized,
committed, or aided, the terrorist attacks that occurred on
September 11, 2001, or harbored such organizations or persons."

This means that if the Trump administration (Trump himself) truly
believes Iran and al-Qaeda have been in cahoots before or after
9-11, then it (Trump himself) could claim wr with Iran already is
authorized by law.

They are a aggressive nation - funding terrorism. Interfering in >GD>international free waterways, controlling the straight where they have no >GD>business doing so.

These are all things the USA did and is doing too.

The USA is a terrorist nation???

"Ultimately, I'm always right." ~Donald J. Trump

That comment is terrifying. Especially to children who have
been separated from their parents. But how does that make the
USA a terrorist nation?

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On 18 Jun 2019, Ward Dossche said the following...

The Klingon's never wanted peace, and neither do the

Iranians.

Who are "the Iranians" ?

The distance from Teheran to DC is 6340 mile about ... there's

not a

single reason for an American force to go there. Give half the

money

that such an American force would cost and invest it in trade

relations

with Iran ... they'd be very happy those Iranians, it'd cost the American taxpayer a lot less and a couple of thousand body bags

needed

less.
But the American industry needs war...

Your operating from a standpoint that the (U.S.) will be the ones who

are going

to lose, this is not our nature.
History has shown again and again that we finish what someone else

starts.

Actually, the US spends more on its military than the next nine nations
with militaries - combined.
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Your operating from a standpoint that the (U.S.) will be the ones

who are

going to lose, this is not our nature.
History has shown again and again that we finish what someone else starts.

This seems like the hallmark of short memories. The War of 1812 was

not

successful (technically the US lost it), you got your asses whipped

in New

Orleans,

Actually it was the Brits who had their asses handed to them at New
Orleans. The British commanding general, Packenham, was killed there.

you backed Napoleon who got defeated, you backed the South-Vietnamese

regime which became defeated (as was yourself),

mainly because the press and leftists in congress wouldn't allow the US
to do what was necessary. The US could have - and should have IMO -
executed a "Sherman's March" through NORTH Vietnam.

the US only joined WW2 after

the fortunes of war in Europe had already turned against the Nazis,

Arguable, although Hitler's attack on Russia - absent any support from
the Western powers - would probably have been successful. Had Hitler
been able to stop Allied support to Russia through Archangel Russia
would have been in deep kimchi.

the US did

not achieve military (or any other) success in Afghanistan nor Iraq

nor Iran,

the Spanish-American war was started on a lie (as was the invasion of

Iraq),

that landing at Mogadishu which was a joke and the US are still stuck

in South

Korea, the British and Canadians bailed the US out at Omaha Beach or

it would

have been a total carnage... there's more of that.

Our military budget is bigger then some of the foreign nations

total

wealth.

Your national debt is bigger too than that of the rest of the world

combined.

And since 1994 has been doubling every eight years.

It took this country just under 200 years to run up a debt of one
trillion dollars and about twenty more years to add a second trillion
to it. As I said, now it doubles about every eight years, although it
may be going up faster now.

As a side note the overwhelming majority of US government spending is
on welfare (vote-buying) programs. Roughly 75% of spending is on those programs and only about 15% is on the military. The interest on the
national debt is almost half as much as total military spending.
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There's not a shred of evidence Iran was involved at all. Photos? I
still see Colin Powel sweating at the UN Security Counsel.

You really should watch the news more before you get on here and claim there
is not a shred of evidence.

The mine fragments that have been discovered look like the ones used by the Iranians.

https://tinyurl.com/y3rvgnhk

not the smoking gun, there will be more details in the days ahead.

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I don't know, what's better for the USA?

A war with Iran sounds bad, difficult, and very dangerous.

Cargo planes, loaded with US tax payer currency, delivered to knuckleheads
who like to attack shipping vessels and already have nuclear weapon capabilities, well that sounds pretty lousy too.

Do we want Trump to fire up the ol' warplane, or do we want Joe Biden to fire up the ol' Cash Plane?

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A war with Iran sounds bad, difficult, and very dangerous.

The US should explore a foreign policy which does not include war, it works well as demonstrated in Europe the past 70 years. Irreconcilable foes have become inseparable trading partners.

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On 18 Jun 2019, Ward Dossche said the following...

A war with Iran sounds bad, difficult, and very dangerous.

The US should explore a foreign policy which does not include war, it works well as demonstrated in Europe the past 70 years. Irreconcilable foes have become inseparable trading partners.

The Klingon's never wanted peace, and neither do the Iranians.

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The Klingon's never wanted peace, and neither do the Iranians.

Who are "the Iranians" ?

The distance from Teheran to DC is 6340 mile about ... there's not a single reason for an American force to go there. Give half the money that such an American force would cost and invest it in trade relations with Iran ... they'd
be very happy those Iranians, it'd cost the American taxpayer a lot less and a
couple of thousand body bags needed less.

But the American industry needs war...

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On 2019 Jun 18 14:06:22, you wrote to Gregory Deyss:

The Klingon's never wanted peace, and neither do the Iranians.

Who are "the Iranians" ?

The distance from Teheran to DC is 6340 mile about ... there's not a

single

reason for an American force to go there. Give half the money that such an American force would cost and invest it in trade relations with Iran ...

and take the other half and use it to help the poor and needy right here in our
own country...

they'd be very happy those Iranians, it'd cost the American taxpayer a
lot less and a couple of thousand body bags needed less.

to say the least...

But the American industry needs war...

not really... TPTB think they do but they don't know everything :(

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A war with Iran sounds bad, difficult, and very dangerous.

The US should explore a foreign policy which does not include war, it

works

well as demonstrated in Europe the past 70 years. Irreconcilable foes

have

become inseparable trading partners.

Europe doesn't have any countries ruled by drooling religious fanatics
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Europe doesn't have any countries ruled by drooling religious fanatics

The Pope definitely is a droolin' religious fanatic.

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Re: Re: War or Planefuls of Cash?
By: Ward Dossche to BOB ACKLEY on Tue Jun 18 2019 08:05 pm

Europe doesn't have any countries ruled by drooling religious fanatics

The Pope definitely is a droolin' religious fanatic.

He tends to stay out of the other countries business. He makes a few statements
here and there... doesn't seem to cause any effect... ;-)
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The US should explore a foreign policy which does not include war, it works well as demonstrated in Europe the past 70 years. Irreconcilable foes have become inseparable trading partners.

It sounds good - to capitalists, but will it sound good to sponsors of terrorism?

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Hello Aaron,

I don't know, what's better for the USA?

A war with Iran sounds bad, difficult, and very dangerous.

Cargo planes, loaded with US tax payer currency, delivered to knuckleheads who like to attack shipping vessels and already have nuclear weapon capabilities, well that sounds pretty lousy too.

Do we want Trump to fire up the ol' warplane, or do we want Joe Biden to
fire
up the ol' Cash Plane?

Better to go with Marianne Williamson and her Peace Plane.

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Hello Ware,

A war with Iran sounds bad, difficult, and very dangerous.

The US should explore a foreign policy which does not include war, it works
well as demonstrated in Europe the past 70 years. Irreconcilable foes have become inseparable trading partners.

Worked great for Neville Chamberlain ...

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The US should explore a foreign policy which does not include war, it works
well as demonstrated in Europe the past 70 years. Irreconcilable foes

have

become inseparable trading partners.

Worked great for Neville Chamberlain ...

You're a moron.

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Hello Bob,

A war with Iran sounds bad, difficult, and very dangerous.

The US should explore a foreign policy which does not include war, it

works

well as demonstrated in Europe the past 70 years. Irreconcilable foes

have

become inseparable trading partners.

Europe doesn't have any countries ruled by drooling religious fanatics

"Eat this body. Drink this blood. Do this in memory of me."
~ Pope Francis, Vatican City, Europe

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Hello Ward,

Europe doesn't have any countries ruled by drooling religious fanatics

The Pope definitely is a droolin' religious fanatic.

And a cannibal! But at least one who shares ...

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Hello Aaron,

The US should explore a foreign policy which does not include war, it >WD>works well as demonstrated in Europe the past 70 years. Irreconcilable >WD>foes have become inseparable trading partners.

It sounds good - to capitalists, but will it sound good to sponsors of >terrorism?

Sounded great to Kim Jong-Un!

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On 18 Jun 2019, Ward Dossche said the following...

The Klingon's never wanted peace, and neither do the Iranians.

Who are "the Iranians" ?

The distance from Teheran to DC is 6340 mile about ... there's not a single reason for an American force to go there. Give half the money
that such an American force would cost and invest it in trade relations with Iran ... they'd be very happy those Iranians, it'd cost the
American taxpayer a lot less and a couple of thousand body bags needed less.
But the American industry needs war...

Your operating from a standpoint that the (U.S.) will be the ones who are going to lose, this is not our nature.
History has shown again and again that we finish what someone else starts.

Our military budget is bigger then some of the foreign nations total wealth.

Perhaps American Intel believes there is a reason for sending the troops, perhaps we do not believe the bold face lies that the Iranians are telling
the world.

The Iranian regime supports terror organizations all around the middle east.

Perhaps we know that they are the ones responsible from firing upon the oil tankers, they can claim all the innocence all they want. They are not the get along neighbor that anyone would want.

They are a aggressive nation - funding terrorism. Interfering in
international free waterways, controlling the straight where they have no business doing so. Their bark is nearly a whimper, they need to be
schooled who the top dog is, because when the (U.S.) Barks, they will submit
or die trying.

Without the American might they would become unchecked. You want a totally unchecked Iran, that could effect even where you currently are.

You should be Thankful that we are there, no one wants war, and no one wants
a nuclear Iran, but that is something else that they are thumbing their
nose at the world at.

It would seem that the President made the right decision
by pulling out of the deal Iranian Nuclear Deal.

Do I have to say it.... Told ya so.. They can not be trusted.

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Hello Ward,

The US should explore a foreign policy which does not include war, it >LL>works
well as demonstrated in Europe the past 70 years. Irreconcilable foes >LL>have
become inseparable trading partners.

Worked great for Neville Chamberlain ...

You're a moron.

The Trump administration reportedly paid $2 million (USD)
to Kim Jong-Un for the release of Otto Warmbrier, who was being
held against his will in North Korea at some hospital due to
injuries sustained from getting in a fistfight with caretakers
who had roughed him up during his vacation.

Money talks. Politicians (and dictators) listen. Students die.

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Hello Greg,

WD>
WD> GD> The Klingon's never wanted peace, and neither do the Iranians.
WD>
WD> Who are "the Iranians" ?
WD>
WD> The distance from Teheran to DC is 6340 mile about ... there's not a
WD> single reason for an American force to go there. Give half the money
WD> that such an American force would cost and invest it in trade
relations
WD> with Iran ... they'd be very happy those Iranians, it'd cost the
WD> American taxpayer a lot less and a couple of thousand body bags
needed
WD> less.
WD> But the American industry needs war...

Your operating from a standpoint that the (U.S.) will be the ones who are going
to lose, this is not our nature.
History has shown again and again that we finish what someone else starts.

In 2003, GWB started a war with Iraq based on false pretenses.
GWB made the claim "I know stockpiles of WMD exist in Iraq."
No such "stockpiles of WMD" has ever been found in Iraq by anybody.

We are still in Iraq. Presumably to find those "stockpiles of WMD"
that nobody could find. When will we find them? When hell freezes
over. When will we leave Iraq? Whenever we do, not if, but when,
one thing is for sure - Iraqis will still be in Iraq.

Our military budget is bigger then some of the foreign nations total wealth.

And the USA remains impotent, as it does not have enough young
people who can fill the ranks, with less than 30% of the population
within the age group able to meet the standards of enlistment.

Perhaps American Intel believes there is a reason for sending the troops, >perhaps we do not believe the bold face lies that the Iranians are telling >the world.

We do not have enough troops to do the job now, and then only
in the case of small, limited engagements. Russia has the same
problem, which is why its illegal invasion of Crimea was about
the largest type of operation it could handle.

The Iranian regime supports terror organizations all around the middle east.

Even if true, there is little to nothing we can do about it.
Sending in the marines is not an option. Nor is nuking Tehran.
We already have troops in Iraq. And in Afghanistan. And in
Syria. Just creating a beachhead in Iran would be a problem.

Perhaps we know that they are the ones responsible from firing upon the oil >tankers, they can claim all the innocence all they want. They are not the
get
along neighbor that anyone would want.

Colin Powell claimed all those things in front of the UN.
And then the world found out it was all lies.
Why should anybody believe what is being told to them now?

They are a aggressive nation - funding terrorism. Interfering in >international free waterways, controlling the straight where they have no >business doing so. Their bark is nearly a whimper, they need to be
schooled who the top dog is, because when the (U.S.) Barks, they will submit >or die trying.

Yeah. We've heard it all before. But nobody is buying.

Without the American might they would become unchecked. You want a totally
unchecked Iran, that could effect even where you currently are.

What other countries are calling for war on Iran?
Japan has called Trump's bluff. European countries
are being nicer by just asking questions.

You should be Thankful that we are there, no one wants war, and no one wants
a nuclear Iran, but that is something else that they are thumbing their
nose at the world at.

If no one wants war, then why is Bolton (and Pompeio) rattling Iran's
cage, with Trump's blessing?

It would seem that the President made the right decision
by pulling out of the deal Iranian Nuclear Deal.

Iran has a nuclear lever, which it will play. Then the world
will have hell to pay.

Do I have to say it.... Told ya so.. They can not be trusted.

Which is why Trump should have honored the six-nation deal with Iran,
thus keeping them from developing nuclear weapons.

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Yeah. We've heard it all before. But nobody is buying.

It is also a fact that Iran has said it's kinda their job to police the area and told the Americans to go home.
Sounds to me like they are a dirty cop and are very much playing both sides of the coin.

Without the American might they would become unchecked. You want a totall
unchecked Iran, that could effect even where you currently are.

What other countries are calling for war on Iran?
Japan has called Trump's bluff. European countries
are being nicer by just asking questions.

Japan said no such thing, most nations are calling for caution and I agree with that. The President has said he does not want to go war with Iran. Make no mistake the U.S. has the power and the ability to wipe them off the map, just because we can do something doesn't mean that we should. At the same time Iran needs to understand that they can not be doing things that are aggressive. Iran's future depends on Iran.

They can start by stopping the chant Death to America.
That would be a great place to start.

It's kinda like this Lee, when you're a kid and you mouth off to your father, when you know in advance that he will beat your ass for it.

Which is why Trump should have honored the six-nation deal with Iran,
thus keeping them from developing nuclear weapons.

Trump is not going appease them buy dropping off $150 Billion dollars at the Iranian tarmac like Obozo did.

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It is also a fact that Iran has said it's kinda their job to police the area and told the Americans to go home.

That would solve a lot of problems in that part of the world ...

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Am 19 Jun 19 22:15:25 schrob Lee Lofaso an Ward Dossche zum Thema
<War or Planefuls of Cash?>

Had the US stayed out of WWII and Hitler not allowed the British
to escape at Dunkirk, there never would have been any resistance in
France (or anywhere else in Europe). Russia would have had no real defense, or the ability to push the Germans out once invaded.

Can you give us some more details about what the USA did? The Soviet Union got attacked in June, Pearl Harbor in December. The battle of Stalingrad was won by
the Soviet Union all alone.



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Can you give us some more details about what the USA did? The Soviet
Union got attacked in June, Pearl Harbor in December. The battle of Stalingrad was won by the Soviet Union all alone.

And the Battle of Stalingrad ended Feb.2 1943 after which the Nazis ran westward .. D-Day was a year and 4 months later.

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On 20 Jun 2019, Ward Dossche said the following...

It is also a fact that Iran has said it's kinda their job to police th area and told the Americans to go home.

That would solve a lot of problems in that part of the world ...

Give them what they want? been there tried that, to the tune of 150 Billion Dollars, and they are just as aggressive ever.

They have no right to suggest that the straight is theirs to police, they are working both sides of the street.

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Is it more PC to be muslim these days?

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The Iranian regime supports terror organizations all around the middle east.

It's more PC to call the regime "business associates" and it's more pc to
call terrorists "sanctuary seekers." It's important to keep this is mind when listening to liberals speak.

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Hello Greg,

Yeah. We've heard it all before. But nobody is buying.

It is also a fact that Iran has said it's kinda their job to police the area
and told the Americans to go home.

How well did Trump's fake attack on Iran go last night?

Sounds to me like they are a dirty cop and are very much playing both sides
of the coin.

Trump claims he called off the attack on Iran 10 minutes before
he ordered it. IOW, a fake attack that never happened. He lied
about a lie, claiming two lies make a truth.

Without the American might they would become unchecked. You want a

totall

unchecked Iran, that could effect even where you currently are.

What other countries are calling for war on Iran?
Japan has called Trump's bluff. European countries
are being nicer by just asking questions.

Japan said no such thing, most nations are calling for caution and I agree
with that.

The entire world knows Japan claimed the Trump administration lied
about what happened. The evidence supports Japan's claim.

The President has said he does not want to go war with Iran.

Talk is cheap.

Make no mistake the U.S. has the power and the ability to wipe them off the
map,

Afghans are still in Afghanistan.
Iraqis are still in Iraq.
Syrians are still in Syria.
Vietnamese are still in Vietnam.
Koreans are still in Korea.

Everyplace the USA has been, the peoples of those countries
are still there. Long after the USA has left.

Iranians are still in Iran, long after the Shah was removed.
Nothing will change in Iran, just as nothing will ever change
in any other country. It is their land to do with what they
want.

just because we can do something doesn't mean that we should.

Then why does Trump seek war with Iran? Clearly it makes no sense.
But then, nothing makes sense with the Trump administration.

At the same time Iran needs to understand that they can not be doing things
that are aggressive.

Iran has the same right to international waters as does every other
country. The USA has no special right to go wherever it wants, when
it wants.

The same applies to air space. Fly a drone over Iranian air space,
it will likely get shot down. Was this the reason why Trump wanted
to go to war with Iran? Because the US flew a drone over Iranian
air space? What do you think the world would say to that?

Iran's future depends on Iran.

Iran has a right to defend itself. Same as any other country.

They can start by stopping the chant Death to America.
That would be a great place to start.

We have freedom of speech in the USA. You are suggesting that
Iranians should not have the same freedom of speech in their own
country? How unAmerican! And unIranian!

It's kinda like this Lee, when you're a kid and you mouth off to your
father, when you know in advance that he will beat your ass for it.

My dad always encouraged me to speak up, rather than keep my mouth
shut. That way, he always knew what I was thinking.

Which is why Trump should have honored the six-nation deal with Iran, >LL>thus keeping them from developing nuclear weapons.

Trump is not going appease them buy dropping off $150 Billion dollars at the
Iranian tarmac like Obozo did.

He gave Kim Jong-Un $2 million dollars to return a nearly dead
college kid, so what's a few more billion dollars to another tyrant?

But then, Obama never gave anybody US $$$. That was Trump's thing.

--Lee

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Hello Gerhard,

Had the US stayed out of WWII and Hitler not allowed the British
to escape at Dunkirk, there never would have been any resistance in >LL>France (or anywhere else in Europe). Russia would have had no real >LL>defense, or the ability to push the Germans out once invaded.

Can you give us some more details about what the USA did?

The Japanese Emperor invited the USA to play a game of shogi
in the Pacific. The USA accepted the challenge, and nuked two
Japanese cities to win the game hands down.

The German fuhrer and Italian duce also invited the USA to
play games with them. The USA accepted their challenges and
wiped them both out of the game, on their own turf.

The Soviet Union got attacked in June, Pearl Harbor in December.

Comrade Joe was a friend of FDR, and the two of them had a plan.
Joe would lure the Germans to Stalingrad, and allow them to surround
the city. Then the Soviets would simply sit and wait until the
Germans got tired of waiting. And the strategy worked. German
soldiers were never able to do a thing, as the Soviets were well
fed by food delivered to them by the USA, thanks to FDR.

The battle of Stalingrad was won by the Soviet Union all alone.

It was a siege, not a battle. The Germans never had a chance.

--Lee

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Hello Aaron,

"Eat this body. Drink this blood. Do this in memory of me."
~ Pope Francis, Vatican City, Europe

Is it more PC to be muslim these days?

As long as you invite them to a Jewish restaurant,
everything should be fine.

--Lee

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Trump claims he called off the attack on Iran 10 minutes before
he ordered it. IOW, a fake attack that never happened. He lied
about a lie, claiming two lies make a truth.

I do not know what the hell you're talking about. It's obvious you're trying
to twist this into something and even trying to pull it inside out.
Look it's like this, Trump said he didn't think it was proportionate, with what would be the projections of the loss of life vs with what already happened the downing of a U.S. drone.

The entire world knows Japan claimed the Trump administration lied
about what happened. The evidence supports Japan's claim.

Japan's claim?
I don't think they are too happy that their ship was on fire, hit by mines or missles as Dale has mentioned, whatever it was, they did not do this to themselves.

Iran is playing a very dangerous game; eluding themselves as the protectors of the straight, then determining who is allowed save passage and who is not.
They are the gatekeepers of nothing because these are international waters. They have no such permission or authorization to control by any means who passes through the straight.

Afghans are still in Afghanistan.
Iraqis are still in Iraq.
Syrians are still in Syria.
Vietnamese are still in Vietnam.
Koreans are still in Korea.

Are you done? ok.
Of course these people are still in their respective countries, you make it sound very much like the mission of the U.S. was to commit genocide wherever the U.S. goes in the world.

This is what you make it sounds like, the fact that these people still exist in their respective countries proves it was not our mission.

Then why does Trump seek war with Iran? Clearly it makes no sense.
But then, nothing makes sense with the Trump administration.

Trump has said on more then one occasion that he does NOT want to goto war with Iran. So I have to ask you directly where are you reading or listening to this FAKE NEWS?

WW III will be WW II 2.0 fought over the same things as the previous one, Oil.

Iran has the same right to international waters as does every other country. The USA has no special right to go wherever it wants, when
it wants.

um, International means no country not Iran not the United States or any other country can infringe another country from using what is known as International waterways and / or airspace.

Just like International House of Pancakes -a lot of countries are represented. The French crape is not conspiring with its nearest ally French Toast to muscle out the Belgian Waffle from being brought to the table.

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<War or Planefuls of Cash?>

Had the US stayed out of WWII and Hitler not allowed the British
to escape at Dunkirk, there never would have been any resistance

in

France (or anywhere else in Europe). Russia would have had no

real

defense, or the ability to push the Germans out once invaded.

Can you give us some more details about what the USA did? The Soviet

Union got

attacked in June, Pearl Harbor in December. The battle of Stalingrad

was won by

the Soviet Union all alone.

Well, not quuite ALL alone, the US was shipping thousands of toms of
war materials to Russia through its northern port at Archangel and also overland through Iran
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Hello Greg,

Trump claims he called off the attack on Iran 10 minutes before
he ordered it. IOW, a fake attack that never happened. He lied
about a lie, claiming two lies make a truth.

I do not know what the hell you're talking about.

Did Trump order a military strike on Iran? Nobody knows,
except Trump himself. Did Trump call off a military strike
on Iran that he himself says he ordered? Nobody knows, except
Trump himself. Nobody has confirmed Trump did what he claimed.
We have only Trump's word, and nothing else.

It's obvious you're trying to twist this into something and even trying to
pull it inside out.

Not at all. Trump has stated all of this publicly.

Look it's like this, Trump said he didn't think it was proportionate, with
what would be the projections of the loss of life vs with what already happened the downing of a U.S. drone.

We do not know if Trump ordered a military strike on Iran.
If he did not order a military strike, then obviosuly there
was no need to scratch or rescind the order, as such an order
never was given.

We only know what Trump has decided to tell us, even if what he
told us is a bunch of lies. Nobody has confirmed or denied a thing.
People are free to believe whatever Trump says, no matter how long
his nose continues to grow.

The entire world knows Japan claimed the Trump administration lied >LL>about what happened. The evidence supports Japan's claim.

Japan's claim?

Japan showed evidence that whatever hit the cargo ships was some
kind of projectile, most likely a torpedo. That negates what the
US has been claiming.

I don't think they are too happy that their ship was on fire, hit by mines
or missles as Dale has mentioned, whatever it was, they did not do this to themselves.

Iran claims it was not responsible for what happened.
There is no evidence showing that Iran was the culprit.
The Trump administration can claim whatever it wants,
but without solid evidence to back up its claims, its
claims remain unsupported and unsubstantiated.

Iran is playing a very dangerous game;

Iran signed a deal with six nations, including the USA, to stop
processing fuel to enrich uranium that would be esssential to make
nuclear weapons. Iran has been in compliance, and the deal was
working. Until Trump decided to blow it all up by walking away.

Why did Trump do what he did? His stated reason was to keep
Iran from getting or making nuclear weapons. So what do you expect
the Iranians to do now that Trump has torn up the deal?

eluding themselves as the protectors of the straight, then determining who
is allowed save passage and who is not.

The Iranian border extends a few miles into the Persian Gulf
and Strait of Hormuz. Just as the US border extends a few miles
off its coast in the Atlantic, Pacific, and Gulf of Mexico.

They are the gatekeepers of nothing because these are international waters.

International waters are well off the coast of Iran.

They have no such permission or authorization to control by any means who
passes through the straight.

Iran does not need any other country's permission to pass through
the Strait of Hormuz.

Afghans are still in Afghanistan.
Iraqis are still in Iraq.
Syrians are still in Syria.
Vietnamese are still in Vietnam.
Koreans are still in Korea.

Are you done? ok.

Iranians are still in Iran, long after the Shah lost his peacock
throne (which we gave him). Why should Iranians be forced to give
up the land they love? It is their land to do with what they want.

Of course these people are still in their respective countries,

The Iraqi people did not care much for Saddam Hussein. But after
the US invaded, Iraqis united to defend their homeland from those
who had invaded their land. After Saddam Hussein was captured,
and later hanged, Iraqis considered him a martyr, a holy man for
Muslims everywhere.

Today Iraq has a Shiite strongman rather than a Sunni strongman.
But the only real difference between a Shiite strongman and a Sunni
strongman is kind of like the difference between a Catholic and
a Protestant, as both believe in the same holy cause.

So what did the US win by invading Iraq? The US installed a new
strongman to replace the old strongman. That is essentially the
only difference. Remember, we are infidels, and all Muslims have
been taught well as to what to do with infidels ...

you make it sound very much like the mission of the U.S. was to commit
genocide wherever the U.S. goes in the world.

When Clinton lied, nobody died. When Bush lied, thousands died.
How many people do think will die when Trump lies?

This is what you make it sounds like, the fact that these people still exist
in their respective countries proves it was not our mission.

George W. Bush went to war based on false pretenses.
Donald J. Trump wants to go to war based on false pretenses.
You do see the connection?

GWB claimed "I know stockpiles of WMD exist in Iraq." No such
"stockpiles of WMD" has ever been found.

Trump is claiming that Iran is trying to get or make nuclear weapons.
Even though the USA and five other nations had a deal with Iran that
was working, with Iran in full compliance.

The Iranian economy is in shambles. Trump wants to impose further
sanctions on Iran, for no reason other than he can. What do you
think the Iranians are going to do, with nothing left to lose?
They most certainly will not roll over and play dead.

Then why does Trump seek war with Iran? Clearly it makes no sense.
But then, nothing makes sense with the Trump administration.

Trump has said on more then one occasion that he does NOT want to go to war
with Iran.

What Trump says and what Trump does are two very different things.

So I have to ask you directly where are you reading or listening to this
FAKE NEWS?

I cannot get into Trump's mind. I doubt anybody can.
But here is my take as to what happened -

Trump had to break it (the six-nation deal with Iran) in order to
fix it. Even though nothing was broken or in need of fixing. Then
he decided to fix it by claiming to have ordered a military strike
on Iran, based on a false claim that Iran had shot down a drone in international waters (the drone was over Iranian airspace), then
saving the day by rescinding the order he claimed to have given,
so that everybody would thank him for preventing a shooting war with
Iran.

WW III will be WW II 2.0 fought over the same things as the previous one,
Oil.

I don't know about WW III, but WW IV will be fought with sticks
and stones. Not sure what folks will be fighting over in those days,
but I doubt it will be over oil.

Iran has the same right to international waters as does every other >LL>country. The USA has no special right to go wherever it wants, when
it wants.

um, International means no country not Iran not the United States or any
other country can infringe another country from using what is known as International waterways and / or airspace.

The US shot down an Iranian passenger airliner flying over
the Persian Gulf. There was no question the airliner was flying
over international waters, with the US clearly at fault. What
do you think Trump what have done had the Iranians mistakenly
shot down a US passenger airliner flying over the Persian Gulf?

Just like International House of Pancakes -a lot of countries are
represented.

And with no clear evidence showing Iran having been responsible
for what happened to those cargo ships, Trump has no case to go
to war.

The French crape is not conspiring with its nearest ally French Toast to
muscle out the Belgian Waffle from being brought to the table.

Belgian Waffles, Kentucky Fried Chicken, mixed together and topped
with syrup, is sacrilege. Ruins your taste buds forever ...

--Lee

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Am 24 Jun 19 04:12:21 schrob Lee Lofaso an Gregory Deyss zum Thema
<War or Planefuls of Cash?>

Iran signed a deal with six nations, including the USA, to stop
processing fuel to enrich uranium that would be esssential to make
nuclear weapons. Iran has been in compliance, and the deal was
working. Until Trump decided to blow it all up by walking away.

I think you are referring to the treaty of not enriching beyond 3.67 percent.



Tschoe mit Oe
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