• Re: War or Planefuls of

    From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Friday, June 21, 2019 01:36:06
    On 06-20-19 06:55, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Lee Lofaso about Re: War or Planefuls of C <=-

    Japan has called Trump's bluff. European countries
    are being nicer by just asking questions.

    Japan said no such thing, most nations are calling for

    Japan disagreed with USA statements that it was a Lipit Mine. They said
    it was a missle -- which casts some doubt on that grainy video which
    claims to be Iran removing an unexploded Lipit Mine from a tanker (and
    thus "proving" it was Iran who did the deed).

    Trump is not going appease them buy dropping off $150 Billion dollars
    at the Iranian tarmac like Obozo did.

    What $150 Billion dollars are you talking about? Do you mean the time
    that they sent back money that belonged to Iran, but had been frozen? I
    also seem to recollect that money was all in foreign currencys of one
    kind or another and none was US$.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Friday, June 21, 2019 18:06:19
    On 21 Jun 2019, Dale Shipp said the following...

    On 06-20-19 06:55, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Lee Lofaso about Re: War or Planefuls of C <=-

    Japan has called Trump's bluff. European countries
    are being nicer by just asking questions.

    Japan said no such thing, most nations are calling for

    Japan disagreed with USA statements that it was a Lipit Mine. They said it was a missle -- which casts some doubt on that grainy video which claims to be Iran removing an unexploded Lipit Mine from a tanker (and thus "proving" it was Iran who did the deed).

    The mine is the subject of the news story that I have seen.
    Mine or Missle? I don't think there is any doubt as to was responsible for
    the act of terror.

    Trump is not going appease them buy dropping off $150 Billion dollars at the Iranian tarmac like Obozo did.

    What $150 Billion dollars are you talking about? Do you mean the time that they sent back money that belonged to Iran,

    I heard this before it was their money, whatever if it was or wasn't,
    their behavior since then and continues to be, one of aggression.

    I am sure by now that you have heard about the drone that has been shot down
    by Iran because they claimed that it violated their airspace, the President
    did not strike back with any answered military force, measured or otherwise.
    I also think that the restraint was the right call.

    Even if it is possible to do a measured military response, Iran would have responded with everything that they have and then the U.S. would have to
    squash them, like a bug.

    However it is quite refreshing to see what Trump didn't do. As it turns out this is not the same man that the anti-trump crowd painted him to be because before Trump was elected the left proclaimed him to be a war monger and a man that would lead us to the brink of war. What happened to that? Wrong again?
    but it matters not, they are always wrong about Donald Trump and this is what drives the condition known as the Trump Derangement Syndrome..

    No one died, ju$t a drone.
    If in the future however there is loss of American life, it will be hell unleashed upon Iran, courtesy of the Red White and Blue!

    They got a pass this time, let us all hope that they got the message, but something tells me that nothing was learned. Iran will continue to be just
    as aggressive. Next time they will screw up big, causing carnage and loss of American life. Then the U.S. will end them. Such a waste.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Saturday, June 22, 2019 03:09:00
    On 06-21-19 18:06, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: War or Planefuls of <=-

    Trump is not going appease them buy dropping off
    $150 Billion dollars
    at the Iranian tarmac like Obozo did.

    What $150 Billion dollars are you talking about? Do you mean the time that they sent back money that belonged to Iran,

    I heard this before it was their money, whatever if it was or wasn't, their behavior since then and continues to be, one of aggression.

    OK -- so if it was a return of their money, why did you bring it up as a critism of Obama?

    I am sure by now that you have heard about the drone that has been
    shot down by Iran because they claimed that it violated their airspace, the President did not strike back with any answered military force, measured or otherwise. I also think that the restraint was the right
    call.

    We agree. My only problem with that call is why did Trump give the
    go-ahead to start with, only to cancel in the last ten minutes? He said
    it was because he had just learned that there might be as many as 150
    people killed -- but he should have been briefed on that estimate hours
    before.

    him to be because before Trump was elected the left proclaimed him to
    be a war monger and a man that would lead us to the brink of war. What

    My fear was not that Trump was a war monger, but that he acts so
    impulsively that he might trigger a war. That and the fact that he has surrounded himself with those who really seem to push for war and regime
    change in Iran.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Saturday, June 22, 2019 08:32:02
    OK -- so if it was a return of their money, why did you bring it up as a critism of Obama?

    I am not entirely convinced it was their money, if you look at the way this
    was done "in secret" - that act deserves it to be questioned.

    I am sure by now that you have heard about the drone that has been
    shot down by Iran because they claimed that it violated their airspace the President did not strike back with any answered military force, measured or otherwise. I also think that the restraint was the right call.

    We agree. My only problem with that call is why did Trump give the
    go-ahead to start with, only to cancel in the last ten minutes?

    Good

    My fear was not that Trump was a war monger, but that he acts so impulsively that he might trigger a war. That and the fact that he has surrounded himself with those who really seem to push for war and regime change in Iran.

    I have heard that too, but the decision to attack or not to attack sits with the commander and chief.

    I also agree that the President should of been advised up front with the number of casualties in the beginning, usually this is the case. Strange that it was not the case this time.

    Thanks to President for having the mindset to say hold up and asking the question. This is one of the many things that candidate Donald Trump ran on, not evolving the U.S. in never ending wars.

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  • From BOB ACKLEY@1:123/140 to DALE SHIPP on Saturday, June 22, 2019 12:35:56
    On 06-20-19 06:55, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Lee Lofaso about Re: War or Planefuls of C <=-

    Japan has called Trump's bluff. European countries
    are being nicer by just asking questions.

    Japan said no such thing, most nations are calling for

    Japan disagreed with USA statements that it was a Lipit Mine.

    A nit: it was a limpet mine, they've been around since before World
    War II. A limpet mine is an explosive charge connected to a magnet,
    the magnet is placed on the ship being attacked and detonated by a
    timer, or more recently, by an electronic command
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  • From BOB ACKLEY@1:123/140 to GREGORY DEYSS on Saturday, June 22, 2019 12:38:10
    On 21 Jun 2019, Dale Shipp said the following...

    On 06-20-19 06:55, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Lee Lofaso about Re: War or Planefuls of C <=-

    Japan has called Trump's bluff. European countries
    are being nicer by just asking questions.

    Japan said no such thing, most nations are calling for

    Japan disagreed with USA statements that it was a Lipit Mine.
    They said
    it was a missle -- which casts some doubt on that grainy video
    which
    claims to be Iran removing an unexploded Lipit Mine from a
    tanker (and
    thus "proving" it was Iran who did the deed).

    Especially because there's a video out that shows Iranians removing an unexploded limpet from one of the ships
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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to BOB ACKLEY on Saturday, June 22, 2019 20:12:47
    Especially because there's a video out that shows Iranians removing an unexploded limpet from one of the ships

    Too bad the resolution isn't all that great, but I looked at that video and they're obviously removing something. And it ain't small. No clams.

    \%/@rd

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Sunday, June 23, 2019 01:00:02
    On 06-22-19 08:32, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: War or Planefuls of <=-


    OK -- so if it was a return of their money, why did you bring it up as a critism of Obama?

    I am not entirely convinced it was their money, if you look at the way this was done "in secret" - that act deserves it to be questioned.

    The fact that it was their money has been well documented, as was the
    fact that no $US were sent -- all foreign currency.

    We agree. My only problem with that call is why did Trump give the
    go-ahead to start with, only to cancel in the last ten minutes?

    Good

    My fear was not that Trump was a war monger, but that he acts so impulsively that he might trigger a war. That and the fact that he has surrounded himself with those who really seem to push for war and regime change in Iran.

    I have heard that too, but the decision to attack or not to attack
    sits with the commander and chief.

    I also agree that the President should of been advised up
    front with the number
    of casualties in the beginning, usually this is the case. Strange that
    it was not the case this time.

    According to numerous experts he should have been so advised at the very beginning of the plans.


    Thanks to President for having the mindset to say hold up and asking
    the question.

    Perhaps he had forgotten what he had been told before, or it just sunk
    in, or perhaps he just wanted to put his personal spin on it.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Bob Ackley on Sunday, June 23, 2019 02:42:04
    On 06-22-19 12:35, Bob Ackley <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: War or Planefuls of <=-

    Japan has called Trump's bluff. European countries
    are being nicer by just asking questions.

    Japan said no such thing, most nations are calling for

    Japan disagreed with USA statements that it was a Lipit Mine.

    A nit: it was a limpet mine, they've been around since before World
    War II. A limpet mine is an explosive charge connected to a magnet,
    the magnet is placed on the ship being attacked and detonated by a
    timer, or more recently, by an electronic command

    Japan said it was a missle, the ship was a Japanese flagged ship. Since
    then, others have produced some evidence claiming that it was in fact a
    limpet mine. I don't know -- and am not sure if it matters.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Bob Ackley on Sunday, June 23, 2019 01:07:06
    On 06-22-19 12:38, Bob Ackley <=-
    spoke to Gregory Deyss about Re: War or Planefuls of <=-

    Japan disagreed with USA statements that it was a Lipit Mine.
    They said
    it was a missle -- which casts some doubt on that grainy video
    which
    claims to be Iran removing an unexploded Lipit Mine from a
    tanker (and
    thus "proving" it was Iran who did the deed).

    Especially because there's a video out that shows Iranians removing an unexploded limpet from one of the ships

    That is what some say the video shows. I have to say that the video is
    of such poor quality and of such a short duration that it is unclear
    whether or not that explanation is true. There are many more people
    standing around on that vessel than would be needed to remove a single
    mine. It is difficult to impossible to see what they are doing. That
    video could just as likely be a life boat removing personnel from the
    tanker. I don't know and the video does not convince me of any
    explanation. What is needed is some further context, e.g. where was
    that boat 30 seconds before and after the short video. Where ever that
    video came from, I doubt that the very short snippet published is all
    that there was.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Sunday, June 23, 2019 01:32:10
    On 06-22-19 08:11, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Lee Lofaso about Re: War or Planefuls of C <=-


    Trump claims he called off the attack on Iran 10 minutes before
    he ordered it. IOW, a fake attack that never happened. He lied
    about a lie, claiming two lies make a truth.

    I do not know what the hell you're talking about. It's obvious you're trying to twist this into something and even trying to pull it inside
    out. Look it's like this, Trump said he didn't think it was proportionate, with what would be the projections of the loss of life
    vs with what already happened
    the downing of a U.S. drone.

    The point is that why did Trump order the attack in the first place and
    then cancel it at the last minute. That is silly brinkmanship. Trump
    should have known the projections hours before the attack was due to be
    launced -- not in the last ten minutes. Of course this way he comes off sounding like a big hero by preventing the crisis that would be caused
    by such an attack -- when he ordered it himself to start with. He has
    done the same sort of thing in other situations. It is a pattern of
    him.

    The entire world knows Japan claimed the Trump administration lied
    about what happened. The evidence supports Japan's claim.

    Japan's claim?
    I don't think they are too happy that their ship was on fire, hit by
    mines or missles as Dale has mentioned, whatever it was, they did not
    do this to themselves.

    I simply reported what Japan said.

    Then why does Trump seek war with Iran? Clearly it makes no sense.
    But then, nothing makes sense with the Trump administration.

    It is more the people Trump has surrounded himself with that want to go
    to war and/or change the Iranian government.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Dale Shipp on Sunday, June 23, 2019 09:13:27
    Japan said it was a missle, the ship was a Japanese flagged ship. Since then, others have produced some evidence claiming that it was in fact a limpet mine. I don't know -- and am not sure if it matters.

    A missile and a mine leave a totally different signature.

    It seems however the intent was not to sink the vessels but to create trouble because if it was the intention to sink them, then this was a pis-poor attempt.

    \%/@rd

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Dale Shipp on Sunday, June 23, 2019 09:18:31

    That is what some say the video shows. I have to say that the video is
    of such poor quality and of such a short duration that it is unclear whether or not that explanation is true. There are many more people standing around on that vessel than would be needed to remove a single mine.

    At some point you can see an individual catching something that came loose and carry it in the boat.

    Technically you cannot see "what" he carries. You don't know what the big boat is and not even "where" ... but I have a gut-feeling this is correct video.

    \%/@rd

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Sunday, June 23, 2019 08:35:52
    I also agree that the President should of been advised up
    front with the number
    of casualties in the beginning, usually this is the case. Strange tha it was not the case this time.

    According to numerous experts he should have been so advised at the very beginning of the plans.

    More like pendents who never will have anything positive spill from their mouthes, about President Trump.

    Thanks to President for having the mindset to say hold up and asking the question.

    Perhaps he had forgotten what he had been told before, or it just sunk
    in, or perhaps he just wanted to put his personal spin on it.

    Unlikely, but I do think it is you who is forgetting who Donald Trump is,
    a successful business man and billionaire, you don't become either by being forgetful. The Presidency comes with awesome responsibility and power, this
    is why the "President" is the most powerful man in the world.

    It is humorous to see Iran puff out it's chest and suggest that they would be victorious, they are nearly broke financially and their equipment and means to make war is dated.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Sunday, June 23, 2019 09:10:34
    On 23 Jun 2019, Dale Shipp said the following...

    On 06-22-19 08:11, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Lee Lofaso about Re: War or Planefuls of C <=-


    Trump claims he called off the attack on Iran 10 minutes before
    he ordered it. IOW, a fake attack that never happened. He lied about a lie, claiming two lies make a truth.

    I do not know what the hell you're talking about. It's obvious you're trying to twist this into something and even trying to pull it inside out. Look it's like this, Trump said he didn't think it was proportionate, with what would be the projections of the loss of life vs with what already happened
    the downing of a U.S. drone.

    The point is that why did Trump order the attack in the first place and then cancel it at the last minute. That is silly brinkmanship. Trump should have known the projections hours before the attack was due to be launced -- not in the last ten minutes. Of course this way he comes off sounding like a big hero by preventing the crisis that would be caused
    by such an attack -- when he ordered it himself to start with. He has done the same sort of thing in other situations. It is a pattern of
    him.

    I am looking at was said as a means of strength, you're not.
    Of course he would be upset by this aggression of this unprovoked attack.
    I would not expect any U.S. President to act or talk about what happened
    as if it never happened.

    This was Trump's moment and I think he handled it pretty well with all considering, I think the Iranians are pleased the way it turned out also.




    The entire world knows Japan claimed the Trump administration lied about what happened. The evidence supports Japan's claim.

    Japan's claim?
    I don't think they are too happy that their ship was on fire, hit by mines or missles as Dale has mentioned, whatever it was, they did not do this to themselves.

    I simply reported what Japan said.

    Then why does Trump seek war with Iran? Clearly it makes no sense. But then, nothing makes sense with the Trump administration.

    This is not what you said, I am responding to you in the message that was originally written by Lee.

    Nevertheless, why do you believe that Trump seeks a war with Iran?
    When President Trump has said many times that he does not want a war with Iran.

    War with Iran, is up to Iran.
    If any American life or lives are killed, caused by further Iranian aggression they will discover instantly that "They made a very big mistake."

    Justice will be served and the battle will rage
    This big dog will fight when you rattle his cage
    And they will be sorry that they messed with
    The U.S. of A.
    'Cause we'll put a boot their ass
    It's the American way.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Ward Dossche on Sunday, June 23, 2019 09:14:32
    On 23 Jun 2019, Ward Dossche said the following...

    Japan said it was a missle, the ship was a Japanese flagged ship. Sin then, others have produced some evidence claiming that it was in fact limpet mine. I don't know -- and am not sure if it matters.

    A missile and a mine leave a totally different signature.

    It seems however the intent was not to sink the vessels but to create trouble because if it was the intention to sink them, then this was a pis-poor attempt.

    Why is Iran messing with ship and planting mines in international waterways
    at all.
    This is why American Might is in the region. You wanted to why we are there that would be it.

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Gregory Deyss on Monday, June 24, 2019 01:05:29
    You wanted to why we are there that would be it.

    The US is too trigger-happy, There is no reason to be militrary present there.

    \%/@rd

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Monday, June 24, 2019 00:27:02
    On 06-23-19 08:35, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: War or Planefuls of <=-

    Perhaps he had forgotten what he had been told before, or it just sunk
    in, or perhaps he just wanted to put his personal spin on it.

    Unlikely, but I do think it is you who is forgetting who Donald Trump
    is, a successful business man and billionaire, you don't become either
    by being forgetful.

    Whether or not he is a successful business man or a billionaire is up
    for debate. There has been information published that over a span of
    ten years in the 90's, his organization loss more than one billion
    dollars. He is also well known for his many bankrupcies, and for not
    paying his bills.

    I know that he claims that he is a successful business man and
    billionaire, but he refuses to produce any evidence of either of those
    claims. And he is well known for not telling the truth about many
    things.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Ward Dossche on Monday, June 24, 2019 05:55:54
    On 24 Jun 2019, Ward Dossche said the following...

    You wanted to why we are there that would be it.

    The US is too trigger-happy, There is no reason to be militrary present there.

    Your statement is incorrect, Iran still exists.

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Gregory Deyss on Monday, June 24, 2019 12:49:12
    The US is too trigger-happy, There is no reason to be militrary
    present
    there.

    Your statement is incorrect, Iran still exists.

    Yes. And what is the problem with that ?

    \%/@rd

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to aaron thomas on Wednesday, June 26, 2019 03:52:06
    On 2019 Jun 25 22:48:48, you wrote to me:

    oh, and that $775US per day that's being paid to someone to (not)
    take proper care of those children locked in those cages? i could
    live for a

    There are American-born children who are on waiting lists for foster
    care, should they be pushed aside to make room for illegal immigrant children?

    why would they be pushed aside? what does american-born children's foster status have to do with immigrant children? immigrant children aren't waiting or
    looking for fostering...

    Why won't the Democrat-led Congress do something about this?

    who says they're not? it takes time to put together cases...

    Why did nobody cry about it during the Obama years?

    who says they didn't?

    Was it PC to put kids behind bars when Obama did it, because he's
    black?

    what does anyone's skin color have to do with the proper care of children?

    )\/(ark

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to aaron thomas on Wednesday, June 26, 2019 03:56:48
    On 2019 Jun 25 22:51:44, you wrote to me:

    The more the President is a success,

    success?? are you saying that no less than six (6) corporate
    bankruptacies is being successful???

    A president's success isn't measured by his personal life.

    corporate != personal

    )\/(ark

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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to mark lewis on Wednesday, June 26, 2019 09:29:37
    why would they be pushed aside? what does american-born children's foster status have to do with immigrant children? immigrant children aren't waiting or looking for fostering...

    Where do you want them to be housed then? Foster care is a good solution for kids who are victims of their parents' crimes.

    what does anyone's skin color have to do with the proper care of
    children?

    Black skin = ok to detain illegal immigrant children
    White skin = no longer ok and makes the person racist

    Opportunists who are hungry for American handouts drag their children through deserts & they take them swimming through the river, then liberals complain about us not giving them toothbrushes when they arrive.

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to aaron thomas on Wednesday, June 26, 2019 14:43:18
    On 2019 Jun 26 09:29:36, you wrote to me:

    why would they be pushed aside? what does american-born children's
    foster status have to do with immigrant children? immigrant children
    aren't waiting or looking for fostering...

    Where do you want them to be housed then?

    that's up to their parents/guardians...

    Foster care is a good solution for kids who are victims of their
    parents' crimes.

    we're not talking about that... we're talking about immigrant children and their parents/guardians...
    what laws were broken that caused forced separation between them and their parents/guardians? hint: NONE.

    what does anyone's skin color have to do with the proper care of
    children?

    Black skin = ok to detain illegal immigrant children
    White skin = no longer ok and makes the person racist

    that has nothing to do with the proper care of children... and why do you keep calling them "illegal immigrants"? what did they do that is illegal?

    Opportunists who are hungry for American handouts drag their children through deserts & they take them swimming through the river, then
    liberals complain about us not giving them toothbrushes when they
    arrive.

    what are you smoking? whatever it is is bad shit and you need to get off it... you've got so many thing confused and twisted around that you can't even carry a straight conversation...

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  • From BOB ACKLEY@1:123/140 to WARD DOSSCHE on Wednesday, June 26, 2019 15:47:30
    Japan said it was a missle, the ship was a Japanese flagged
    ship. Since
    then, others have produced some evidence claiming that it was in
    fact a
    limpet mine. I don't know -- and am not sure if it matters.

    A missile and a mine leave a totally different signature.

    It seems however the intent was not to sink the vessels but to create
    trouble
    because if it was the intention to sink them, then this was a pis-
    poor attempt.

    One would also use a much bigger charge and place it *below* the water
    line
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  • From BOB ACKLEY@1:123/140 to GREGORY DEYSS on Wednesday, June 26, 2019 15:50:20
    Unlikely, but I do think it is you who is forgetting who Donald Trump
    is,
    a successful business man and billionaire, you don't become either by
    being
    forgetful.

    I think this is one of Trump's biggest problems - he is not a career poliician. I think that's an asset, I'd like to see ALL career
    politicians thrown out of office.
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  • From BOB ACKLEY@1:123/140 to GREGORY DEYSS on Wednesday, June 26, 2019 15:51:56
    On 23 Jun 2019, Ward Dossche said the following...

    Japan said it was a missle, the ship was a Japanese flagged
    ship. Sin
    then, others have produced some evidence claiming that it
    was in fact
    limpet mine. I don't know -- and am not sure if it matters.

    A missile and a mine leave a totally different signature.

    It seems however the intent was not to sink the vessels but to
    create
    trouble because if it was the intention to sink them, then this
    was a
    pis-poor attempt.

    Why is Iran messing with ship and planting mines in international
    waterways
    at all.
    This is why American Might is in the region. You wanted to why we are
    there
    that would be it.

    IMO the US Navy should get the h*ll out of the Persian Gulf and Strait
    of Hormuz. The US has no interest there (except to support its puppet
    in Iraq). If Europeans are worried about *their* oil supply they can
    protect the tankers
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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to aaron thomas on Thursday, June 27, 2019 00:51:12
    Hello Aaron,

    oh, and that $775US per day that's being paid to someone to (not) take >ml>proper care of those children locked in those cages? i could live for a

    There are American-born children who are on waiting lists for foster care, >should they be pushed aside to make room for illegal immigrant children?

    All Americans, including those who are children, have the right
    of citizenship. As well as all babies born in the USA, regardless
    of who their parents are or where they are from.

    Kidnapping is a crime, the last time I looked. But the current
    occupant of the White House does not understand the meaning of the
    word. Perhaps one of his aides should inform him.

    Separating children from their parents, then placing them up for
    adoption to US citizens, is government-sanctioned kidnapping. Since
    these are foreign-born children being forcibly removed from their
    caretakers (parents, legal guardians, etc.), this could be considered
    being an act of war by the countries where they are from.

    As well as a violation of their human rights (children and parents).

    Why won't the Democrat-led Congress do something about this? Why did nobody >cry about it during the Obama years? Was it PC to put kids behind bars when >Obama did it, because he's black?

    The Obama administration never had a "zero tolerance" policy.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to aaron thomas on Thursday, June 27, 2019 00:51:18
    Hello Aaron,

    The more the President is a success,

    success?? are you saying that no less than six (6) corporate >ml>bankruptacies is being successful???

    A president's success isn't measured by his personal life.

    Must be the hands. Such tiny hands. According to Marco.

    --Lee

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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to mark lewis on Wednesday, June 26, 2019 21:02:18
    Where do you want them to be housed then?

    that's up to their parents/guardians...

    The criminals who made their children swim across the Rio Grande are still calling the shots?

    Foster care is a good solution for kids who are victims of their parents' crimes.

    we're not talking about that... we're talking about immigrant children
    and their parents/guardians...

    Not immigrant children, but illegal immigrant children. There's a huge difference. Legal immigrant children aren't swimming across rivers or camping in 100 degree deserts.

    what laws were broken that caused forced separation between them and
    their parents/guardians? hint: NONE.

    Child abuse isn't breaking the law? Sneaking across international borders?
    What else can we get away with? What happens if an American puts his kids to swim across the rio to Mexico No laws broken? No consequences? You'd have to live in a substantially liberal town to get away with that harsh of abuse.

    that has nothing to do with the proper care of children... and why do
    you keep calling them "illegal immigrants"? what did they do that is illegal?

    Legal immigrants come to the USA with passports, permission from their home country, not with dead children floating in tow.

    what are you smoking? whatever it is is bad shit and you need to get off it... you've got so many thing confused and twisted around that you
    can't even carry a straight conversation...

    I've been hearing about the "deplorable conditions inside detention centers" with problems like "terrible food" and "no toothbrushes." Why didn't they
    pack a toothbrush like a normal tourist? Oh, and they also forgot their passports.

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  • From Eric Hutchins@1:103/705 to mark lewis on Wednesday, June 26, 2019 19:27:30
    Re: War or Planefuls of
    By: mark lewis to Gregory Deyss on Tue Jun 25 2019 07:32 pm

    The more the President is a success,

    success?? are you saying that no less than six (6) corporate bankruptacies is being successful???

    I don't know how people keep saying that Trump is a 'success'. Do they really know what it means?

    the more successful our Nation will become. It does kinda suck for you and the fake news media, when great things continue to happen to spite how you see things. Making you enjoy eating crow, as much as the media does. I dunno, could be?

    "to spite"?? you keep using that and it doesn't mean what you think it means... the word you are looking for is "despite"...

    )\/(ark

    There are all kinds of people in my town that say that the economy is booming and Trump is the reason. Really? The economy usually takes at least 4 years to start showing the effects of policy changes.

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to aaron thomas on Wednesday, June 26, 2019 23:50:52
    On 2019 Jun 26 21:02:18, you wrote to me:

    Where do you want them to be housed then?

    that's up to their parents/guardians...

    The criminals who made their children swim across the Rio Grande are
    still calling the shots?

    which ones are those? how do you know they are criminals? who said they are criminals? where's the proof?

    Foster care is a good solution for kids who are victims of their
    parents' crimes.

    we're not talking about that... we're talking about immigrant
    children and their parents/guardians...

    Not immigrant children, but illegal immigrant children.

    no child is illegal... no human is illegal... stop trying to dehumanize them...
    you are only hurting your case...

    There's a huge difference. Legal immigrant children aren't swimming
    across rivers or camping in 100 degree deserts.

    funny, i've done both of those things and i'm not illegal... never have been...

    what laws were broken that caused forced separation between them and
    their parents/guardians? hint: NONE.

    Child abuse isn't breaking the law?

    it absolutely is and those running the concentration camps in this country are absolutely guilty of child abuse...

    Sneaking across international borders?

    sneaking?? seems to be they walked over quite plainly...

    What else can we get away with? What happens if an American puts his
    kids to swim across the rio to Mexico No laws broken? No consequences? You'd have to live in a substantially liberal town to get away with
    that harsh of abuse.

    right... you're grasping at straws...

    that has nothing to do with the proper care of children... and why do
    you keep calling them "illegal immigrants"? what did they do that is
    illegal?

    Legal immigrants come to the USA with passports, permission from their home country,

    not when the are coming here requesting asylum... crossing the border of a country to ask for asylum is not illegal...

    not with dead children floating in tow.

    they're supposed to just leave them behind? not try to get them to someplace where they can be given a proper and decent burial? where is your humanity?

    what are you smoking? whatever it is is bad shit and you need to get
    off it... you've got so many thing confused and twisted around that
    you can't even carry a straight conversation...

    I've been hearing about the "deplorable conditions inside detention centers" with problems like "terrible food" and "no toothbrushes." Why didn't they pack a toothbrush like a normal tourist? Oh, and they also forgot their passports.

    yeah, you're definitely not paying attention and have things confused and twisted :smfh:

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Eric Hutchins on Wednesday, June 26, 2019 23:45:10
    On 2019 Jun 26 19:27:30, you wrote to me:

    The more the President is a success,

    success?? are you saying that no less than six (6) corporate
    bankruptacies is being successful???

    I don't know how people keep saying that Trump is a 'success'. Do they really know what it means?

    apparently they don't...

    the more successful our Nation will become. It does kinda suck for
    you and the fake news media, when great things continue to happen to
    spite how you see things. Making you enjoy eating crow, as much as
    the media does. I dunno, could be?

    "to spite"?? you keep using that and it doesn't mean what you think
    it means... the word you are looking for is "despite"...

    There are all kinds of people in my town that say that the economy is booming and Trump is the reason. Really? The economy usually takes at least 4 years to start showing the effects of policy changes.

    exactly! *at least* four years... anything happening before that came from those in office previously... no one can just snap their fingers and turn things that large and complex around on a dime but there's a lot of very ignorant people out there who think they can...

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to mark lewis on Thursday, June 27, 2019 06:54:18
    i can barely get past his drug addled eyes... he can't even get one sentence out...

    No, I think you may be talking about Biden. We will see what the American people think, who is a better communicator, in the next election.
    Trump will destroy him in the debates, if Biden makes it that long.

    success?? are you saying that no less than six (6) corporate
    bankruptacies is being successful???

    I think it is very clear what I am saying.
    He used the laws to his advantage, just as other businesses as well as corporations have.

    the more successful our Nation will become. It does kinda suck for yo and the fake news media, when great things continue to happen to spit how you see things. Making you enjoy eating crow, as much as the medi does. I dunno, could be?

    "to spite"?? you keep using that and it doesn't mean what you think it means... the word you are looking for is "despite"...

    regardless, irregardless, to spite or despite, I think the point has been
    made. When you need to talk about those troubled times within the casino business or his to counter my post, then your post is a completely ineffective. By the way he was not President at the times that you speak of.
    This matters not to you, it's something that you thought that you could use to counter, if that's the best you can muster, then bring it.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to BOB ACKLEY on Thursday, June 27, 2019 06:57:36
    IMO the US Navy should get the h*ll out of the Persian Gulf and Strait
    of Hormuz. The US has no interest there (except to support its puppet
    in Iraq). If Europeans are worried about *their* oil supply they can protect the tankers

    That... I believe is on the President's mind.

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Gregory Deyss on Thursday, June 27, 2019 11:17:16
    On 2019 Jun 27 06:54:18, you wrote to me:

    i can barely get past his drug addled eyes... he can't even get one
    sentence out...

    No, I think you may be talking about Biden.

    no, i'm talking about trump with his pupils so large they almost fill the iris...

    success?? are you saying that no less than six (6) corporate
    bankruptacies is being successful???

    I think it is very clear what I am saying.

    it is not...

    He used the laws to his advantage, just as other businesses as well as corporations have.

    legality != morality

    the more successful our Nation will become. It does kinda suck for
    you and the fake news media, when great things continue to happen to
    spite how you see things. Making you enjoy eating crow, as much as
    the media does. I dunno, could be?

    [note: above quotes repaired and chopped characters restored]

    "to spite"?? you keep using that and it doesn't mean what you think
    it means... the word you are looking for is "despite"...

    regardless, irregardless,

    irregardless is not a word...

    to spite or despite,

    they have different meanings...

    spite:
    verb: spite; 3rd person present: spites; past tense: spited; past participle: spited; gerund or present participle: spiting

    1. deliberately hurt, annoy, or offend (someone).
    "he put the house up for sale to spite his family"
    "I used to worry that you would make trouble, just to spite Martin"


    despite:
    noun:

    1. outrage; injury.
    "the despite done by him to the holy relics"
    2. contempt; disdain.
    "the theater only earns my despite"

    I think the point has been made.

    it has not because when you make basic mistakes like you do quite a lot, you lose your audience...

    When you need to talk about those troubled times within the casino business

    troubled times? i thought he is/was successful? if that were true, there'd have
    been no troubled times...

    or his to counter my post,

    or his what?? you keep dropping whole words, too...

    then your post is a completely ineffective.

    it is perfectly effective due to pointing out the mistakes and inconsistencies in your arguments... it hilights your ignorance...

    By the way he was not President at the times that you speak of.

    that's beside the point of whether he is/was successful...

    This matters not to you, it's something that you thought that you
    could use to counter, if that's the best you can muster, then bring
    it.

    uh... it has already been brought... you dropped your sword and lost another round :shrug:

    BTW: have you finished reading the mueller report, yet?

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gregory Deyss on Thursday, June 27, 2019 22:13:01
    Hello Greg,

    i can barely get past his drug addled eyes... he can't even get one >ml>sentence out...

    No, I think you may be talking about Biden. We will see what the American >people think, who is a better communicator, in the next election.
    Trump will destroy him in the debates, if Biden makes it that long.

    Trump has not agreed to debate anybody, regardless of which candidate
    gets the Democratic nomination.

    success?? are you saying that no less than six (6) corporate >ml>bankruptacies is being successful???

    I think it is very clear what I am saying.
    He used the laws to his advantage, just as other businesses as well as >corporations have.

    Donald Trump is a tax cheat. Just like Mitt Romney. The only
    difference being the current tax dodger may wind up going to jail
    for his actions.

    ml> GD> the more successful our Nation will become. It does kinda suck
    for yo
    ml> GD> and the fake news media, when great things continue to happen to spit
    ml> GD> how you see things. Making you enjoy eating crow, as much as the medi
    ml> GD> does. I dunno, could be?
    ml>
    ml> "to spite"?? you keep using that and it doesn't mean what you think
    it
    ml> means... the word you are looking for is "despite"...

    regardless, irregardless, to spite or despite, I think the point has been
    made. When you need to talk about those troubled times within the casino business or his to counter my post, then your post is a completely ineffective.

    Trump lost his shirt in the casino business.

    By the way he was not President at the times that you speak of.

    He is the same failed businessman he has always been.

    This matters not to you, it's something that you thought that you could use
    to counter, if that's the best you can muster, then bring it.

    mark raises chickens, and tries to protect them from critters so that
    he can bring them to market. Sometimes he succeeds, sometimes not.
    But either way, chickens are cheap. As long as the critters don't get
    them first.

    --Lee

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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to Lee Lofaso on Thursday, June 27, 2019 16:14:58
    Separating children from their parents, then placing them up for
    adoption to US citizens, is government-sanctioned kidnapping. Since

    No matter what you call it, children have been forcibly removed from their parents every day by courts. If you let illegal aliens have a free pass when
    it comes to child-endangerment, you're going to have a lot of angry Americans.

    caretakers (parents, legal guardians, etc.), this could be considered being an act of war by the countries where they are from.

    These governments, that are supposedly oppressive, wouldn't dare attack the USA, and especially not for human rights. They should be ashamed that their citizens are leaving.

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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to Eric Hutchins on Thursday, June 27, 2019 16:21:43
    There are all kinds of people in my town that say that the economy is booming and Trump is the reason. Really? The economy usually takes at least 4 years to start showing the effects of policy changes.

    It depends on what you consider "booming," and it depends on what industry you're in; if you're in coal, or steel, it's "booming" already. If you're in the not getting nuked by NK, that's a good industry to be in at the moment
    too.

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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to mark lewis on Thursday, June 27, 2019 16:41:54
    which ones are those? how do you know they are criminals? who said they are criminals? where's the proof?

    How can you endorse human trafficking? You can call it asylum-seeking, or babysitting, or whatever you want, but you're fighting for the rights of
    people who are committing negligent homicide of children, or endangering the welfare of a child, at best. You're also fighting for the rights of people to walk our streets without any scrutiny over their identity or criminal background. Did you know that in many states, it's illegal to be in public without identification?

    The loophole is being abused to the full extent. With 90% of undocumented illegal immigrants not reporting to court for their hearings, look at who you are defending. You keep saying "they have a right to apply for asylum," so
    why aren't they applying? Not showing up for court is them not applying for asylum. That's them applying for "let me do whatever I feel like doing, screw your asylum application, and bye."

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to mark lewis on Thursday, June 27, 2019 18:43:01
    uh... it has already been brought... you dropped your sword and lost another round :shrug:

    Is that what you think this is all about? winning rounds by communicating in this way via fidonet? What are you defending?

    Trump already won, and I hate to break it to you, but he will win again in 2020. The USA is far better off under Trump then it has ever been under Obama. You wanna talk about winning rounds, you are so barking up the wrong tree.

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Gregory Deyss on Thursday, June 27, 2019 20:16:14
    On 2019 Jun 27 18:43:00, you wrote to me:

    uh... it has already been brought... you dropped your sword and lost
    another round :shrug:

    Is that what you think this is all about?

    says he who was all about winning a few weeks ago...

    have you finished reading th emueller report yet?

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  • From Steve Wolf@1:135/369 to mark lewis on Thursday, June 27, 2019 22:24:10
    uh... it has already been brought... you dropped your sword and lost
    another round :shrug:

    Is that what you think this is all about?

    says he who was all about winning a few weeks ago...


    Anyone watching the debates? What a bunch of clowns. Blah Blah the same
    old retoric.

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to aaron thomas on Thursday, June 27, 2019 21:48:20
    On 2019 Jun 27 16:41:54, you wrote to me:

    which ones are those? how do you know they are criminals? who said
    they are criminals? where's the proof?

    How can you endorse human trafficking?

    who said anything about human trafficking?? i didn't and you haven't until now while you try to throw all kinds of muck into the discussion and confuse the issues... stick to one topic at a time and work through it before jumping off into another muck pit...
    but here's something for you... it's not illegal to go to a country and request
    asylum... it is illegal to separate minors from their parents or guardians without legal cause... if there is human trafficking, stop those traffickers! not the victims! that's like blaming the person who got raped... you should help the victims not blame them or dehumanize them... many of these people are vistims which is one of the main reasons why they left where they were... then they get here, to america, the land of the free and the home of the brave, only
    to be victimized and dehumanized buy ignorant, intolerant, people who think they are better than someone else...

    You can call it asylum-seeking, or babysitting, or whatever you want,
    but you're fighting for the rights of people who are committing
    negligent homicide of children, or endangering the welfare of a child,
    at best.

    you don't know that... you have no clue about them, what they are doing, or why
    they are doing it... "you people" are spouting off because of pure ignorance... you're scared of them because they are different from you... guess
    what? I'M different from you, too! everyone in here is different from you... are you scared of them, too?? are you scared of fat people? people with missing
    legs or arms? people with long hair? people with cleft lips? maybe you're scared of tall people? or is it skinny people? oh, i know, you're scared of people who grew up in the mountains and talk like they have a mouth full of rocks... that's it... yeah, that's gotta be it...

    You're also fighting for the rights of people to walk our streets
    without any scrutiny over their identity or criminal background.

    how is that any different than you or i walking down the street in any town or city in this country? what do you want? police on every corner stopping and checking everybody any time they move? or just people that don't look like you?
    or maybe it is just people that don't think like you? oh, i got it... it is people that don't smell like you... that's it! people who smell different and talk like they have a mouth full of rocks... or wait... could it be that you're
    scared of people that grew up without a father or mother? or maybe they did have one and you didn't? is that it?

    besides, i'm not *fighting* for anything, right now... IF that time ever comes,
    you can bet that i will do what i have to do...

    Did you know that in many states, it's illegal to be in public without identification?

    of course i do... i spent 5 years hitchhiking across these united states back in the '80s after i got out of the USAF... i'm not stupid or ignorant, friend... and ya know what? i was never bothered by anyone while i was walking along with my 150pound backpack... i wasn't bothered when i set up my tent in some field and started a campfire to cook some dinner that i may have brought with me or maybe even trapped during that day's hiking... i wasn't bothered when i asked for directions or if there was a food kitchen or even just a shelter to get in out of the rain or snow... people were nice, friendly and helpful... what happened between then and now i have no idea but it isn't right... that's for damned sure...

    The loophole is being abused to the full extent.

    what loophole?

    With 90% of undocumented illegal immigrants not reporting to court for their hearings, look at who you are defending. You keep saying "they
    have a right to apply for asylum," so why aren't they applying?

    kinda hard for them to apply when the border guards are illegally separating them from their children and locking them up in cages for weeks... how would you like to be locked up in a cage in a cold room, have to sleep on the bare concrete floor, and maybe, just maybe, you might get to have something warm to eat??

    Not showing up for court is them not applying for asylum.

    showing up for court has nothing to do with /applying/ for asylum... that comes
    later unless you are applying during removal proceedings... these folks haven't even had that chance...

    That's them applying for "let me do whatever I feel like doing, screw
    your asylum application, and bye."

    no, that's your ignorance showing... like the guy down the street from me... some folks from india bought some property here... they're nice folks, warm and
    friendly... they've brought food and shared it a few times... we've mowed the grass and fields on the property they bought... they speak english very well and are easily understood... but this guy down the street... he's ignorant... he's scared of these people because he doesn't understand them and that's where
    his ignorance comes in... he won't even try... as big as this guy is, he acts like a little dog and it shows... i feel sorry for him being that scared of another human being that just looks different, talks different, prays different
    and has different beliefs than he...

    but you know what? i swore an oath years ago... i still stand by that oath... i
    also swear the following and it covers ALL people...

    "while i may disagree with what you say, i will defend to the
    death your right to say it." - me with apologies to evelyn b.
    hall (aka stephen g. tallentyre)


    lastly, let me leave you with this...

    "Lemme ask bout dis brave new world of yers.
    Wen U've kilt all da bad guys,
    wen it's all perfek, jus & fair,
    wen U've finally got it xatly da way U wan it,
    wha'are U gonna do with peeps like U?
    Da trouble makers.
    How U gonna protek Ur glorious rev'lution from da nex 1?"
    - paraphrased by me from 12th Doctor to post in a tweet


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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to mark lewis on Friday, June 28, 2019 06:46:12
    uh... it has already been brought... you dropped your sword and lost
    another round :shrug:

    Is that what you think this is all about?

    says he who was all about winning a few weeks ago...

    have you finished reading th emueller report yet?

    No not yet, but what I have read thus far, concludes and supports,
    No Collision and No Obstruction.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Steve Wolf on Friday, June 28, 2019 07:02:07
    Anyone watching the debates? What a bunch of clowns. Blah Blah the
    same old retoric.

    Steve, I have not because I already know that their message is mostly if not entirely about failed policies and ideas that have not worked. Today's democratic ideas are far left to even a former democrat President John F. Kennedy. They are in-fact closer today to communism & socialism then ever before.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to mark lewis on Friday, June 28, 2019 07:25:18
    On 27 Jun 2019, mark lewis said the following...

    On 2019 Jun 27 16:41:54, you wrote to me:

    which ones are those? how do you know they are criminals? who said
    they are criminals? where's the proof?

    Want Proof? read on.

    How can you endorse human trafficking?

    who said anything about human trafficking?? i didn't and you haven't
    until now while you try to throw all kinds of muck into the discussion
    and confuse the issues... stick to one topic at a time and work through
    it before jumping off into another muck pit...
    but here's something for you... it's not illegal to go to a country and request asylum... it is illegal to separate minors from their parents or

    Then these so-called parents are therefore proven guilty themselves because many children are sent to travel alone without parents and thus separated by the parents by their design and intent. When does it become wrong, or it is just wrong when U.S. Immigration officials are involved.

    guardians without legal cause... if there is human trafficking, stop
    those traffickers! not the victims! that's like blaming the person who
    got raped... you should help the victims not blame them or dehumanize them... many of these people are vistims which is one of the main
    reasons why they left where they were... then they get here, to america, the land of the free and the home of the brave, only to be victimized
    and dehumanized buy ignorant, intolerant, people who think they are
    better than someone else...

    Victimized... Seriously?
    You really don't have any clue what you're talking about.
    What about the angel moms & dads who had their children murdered at the
    hands of these invaders / migrants.

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Gregory Deyss on Friday, June 28, 2019 14:17:36
    On 2019 Jun 28 06:46:12, you wrote to me:

    have you finished reading th emueller report yet?

    No not yet, but what I have read thus far, concludes and supports,
    No Collision and No Obstruction.

    https://giphy.com/gifs/funny-DqpP64Y1XPGmc/fullscreen

    )\/(ark

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Gregory Deyss on Friday, June 28, 2019 14:30:58
    On 2019 Jun 28 07:25:18, you wrote to me:

    which ones are those? how do you know they are criminals? who said
    they are criminals? where's the proof?

    Want Proof? read on.

    HINT: only a judge can determine if someone is a criminal... no one else... "you people" calling asylum seekers criminals before they even get a chance to make their request is putting the cart before the horse as well as stepping out
    of your lane and displaying your agendas...

    How can you endorse human trafficking?

    who said anything about human trafficking?? i didn't and you haven't
    until now while you try to throw all kinds of muck into the
    discussion and confuse the issues... stick to one topic at a time and
    work through it before jumping off into another muck pit... but
    here's something for you... it's not illegal to go to a country and
    request asylum... it is illegal to separate minors from their parents
    or

    Then these so-called parents are therefore proven guilty themselves because many children are sent to travel alone without parents

    geez... i guess my parent were wrong for allowing me to ride the bus and fly alone to go from southern georgia to north carolina to visit my grandparents, then... or was is when i flew to DC to visit one of my cousins' families? i was
    less than twn for one of those trips... less then 14 for the others... BTW: nothing happened... the rides and flights were enjoyable...

    gotta wonder about those parents who allow their children to walk to school in the city by themselves... or ride the buses/trains/subways... wow you guys are frightened little people... scared of your own shadows... damn...

    and thus separated by the parents by their design and intent. When
    does it become wrong, or it is just wrong when U.S. Immigration
    officials are involved.

    is that a question or a statement??

    guardians without legal cause... if there is human trafficking, stop
    those traffickers! not the victims! that's like blaming the person
    who got raped... you should help the victims not blame them or
    dehumanize them... many of these people are vistims which is one of
    the main reasons why they left where they were... then they get here,
    to america, the land of the free and the home of the brave, only to
    be victimized and dehumanized buy ignorant, intolerant, people who
    think they are better than someone else...

    Victimized... Seriously?

    absolutely... you are victimizing and dehumanizing them right here in this very
    echo... you do it all the time...

    You really don't have any clue what you're talking about.

    sure sure...

    What about the angel moms & dads who had their children murdered at
    the hands of these invaders / migrants.

    angel moms and dads? murdered children? invaders? WTF are you on about now?

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  • From BOB ACKLEY@1:123/140 to GREGORY DEYSS on Friday, June 28, 2019 11:34:44
    uh... it has already been brought... you dropped your sword and
    lost
    another round :shrug:

    Is that what you think this is all about? winning rounds by
    communicating in
    this way via fidonet? What are you defending?

    Trump already won, and I hate to break it to you, but he will win
    again in
    2020.

    I don't think so. Remember, it's not who votes that counts, it's who
    counts the votes.
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  • From BOB ACKLEY@1:123/140 to STEVE WOLF on Friday, June 28, 2019 11:35:56
    uh... it has already been brought... you dropped your
    sword and lost
    another round :shrug:

    Is that what you think this is all about?

    says he who was all about winning a few weeks ago...


    Anyone watching the debates? What a bunch of clowns. Blah Blah the
    same
    old retoric.

    All of the Corruptocrat candidates positions can be boiled down to one sentence: "We're going to take the money from the people who earned it
    and give it to people who didn't.
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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to mark lewis on Friday, June 28, 2019 13:27:00
    who said anything about human trafficking?? i didn't and you haven't
    until now while you try to throw all kinds of muck into the discussion

    We're both twisting each others words around, so that doesn't help anyone.

    But moving forward, what can we do for all the victims? (Let's not talk about who's victims they really are.)

    We can start a food drive for them? I'd donate to that. Wouldn't you?

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to aaron thomas on Friday, June 28, 2019 17:35:32
    On 2019 Jun 28 13:27:00, you wrote to me:

    who said anything about human trafficking?? i didn't and you haven't
    until now while you try to throw all kinds of muck into the discussion

    We're both twisting each others words around, so that doesn't help anyone.

    sorry, i'm not twisting any words around...

    But moving forward, what can we do for all the victims? (Let's not
    talk about who's victims they really are.)

    firstly we can stop locking them up in cages...

    We can start a food drive for them? I'd donate to that. Wouldn't you?

    i would if i had disposible $$$ i could do that with, sure... the question is would the donations be going somewhere that would actually help the victim immigrants...

    eg: look what Wayfair did when forced by to by employee protest/walkout... one of the stipulations of the employees was that the $$$ Wayfair made from selling
    beds to incarceration centers would be donated to groups that actually work with and assist immigrants... instead Wayfair split the donation into two parts... one part went to the Red Cross... the Red Cross doesn't even work with
    immigrant victims... i forget where the other donation part went but the point
    is the one to the Red Cross won't help the immigrant victims...

    )\/(ark

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to aaron thomas on Saturday, June 29, 2019 02:25:49
    Hello Aaron,

    Separating children from their parents, then placing them up for >LL>adoption to US citizens, is government-sanctioned kidnapping. Since

    No matter what you call it, children have been forcibly removed from their
    parents every day by courts.

    Separating children from their parents is a violation of human
    rights, as well as a violation of international law. This "zero
    tolerance" policy by the Trump administration has resulted in
    the deaths of at least 7 children, and nobody knows how many
    grown adults. The conditions these children are being forced
    to live in is deplorable, and inhumane. Having children take
    care of infants is insane. Why anybody could even think about
    supporting such a policy is beyond me.

    If you let illegal aliens have a free pass when it comes to
    child-endangerment, you're going to have a lot of angry Americans.

    You ae comparing *children* as being criminals? That is twisted!

    caretakers (parents, legal guardians, etc.), this could be considered >LL>being an act of war by the countries where they are from.

    These governments, that are supposedly oppressive, wouldn't dare attack the >USA, and especially not for human rights. They should be ashamed that their >citizens are leaving.

    Donald J. Trump and his Republican enablers should be ashamed of
    themselves for their adamant refusal to help those countries better
    the conditions in their own countries so their own citizens would
    no longer be forced to leave.

    IOW, we should open our wallets so that those who are suffering
    will be able to live. It is the only human thing to do.

    Those who call themselves Christians and refuse are nothing but
    hypocrites. Jesus was much harsher in the words s/he spoke.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to mark lewis on Saturday, June 29, 2019 02:25:55
    Hello mark,

    ml>>>> which ones are those? how do you know they are criminals? who said
    ml>>>> they are criminals? where's the proof?

    GD> Want Proof? read on.

    HINT: only a judge can determine if someone is a criminal...

    An unjust law has no basis for making anybody a criminal.

    no one else...

    Bullshit. FDR ordered the internment of thousands of US citizens,
    most of whom were Japanese or of Japanese ancestry. This included
    women and children. Just because he did not like the color of
    their skin.

    GWB ordered the internment of just over a thousand people, some
    of whom were US citizens, on the basis of them being suspected of
    being Muslim. About half were deported, since they were not US
    citizens. The rest were eventually released. And one was actually
    put on trial and convicted, sentenced to life (the Muslim guy who
    chickened out being a hijacker).

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to BOB ACKLEY on Saturday, June 29, 2019 02:26:01
    Hello Bob Ackley,

    Trump already won, and I hate to break it to you, but he will win
    again in 2020.

    I don't think so. Remember, it's not who votes that counts, it's who
    counts the votes.

    GWB 5
    Al Gore 4

    USSC Justices
    The only votes that counted

    In regards to Trump -

    "Trump didn't actually win the election in 2016. ... He lost the
    election and he was put into office because the Russians interfered
    on his behalf." ~Jimmy Carter, 6/28/2019

    IOW, a real president of the USA publicly called Donald J. Trump
    an "illegitimate" president. And by extension, Mike Pence as being
    an "illegitimate" vice president.

    --Lee

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Lee Lofaso on Friday, June 28, 2019 19:41:22
    On 2019 Jun 29 02:25:54, you wrote to me:

    HINT: only a judge can determine if someone is a criminal...

    An unjust law has no basis for making anybody a criminal.

    agreed... until that law is found unjust, it is still the law... the question is if the law is found unjust and removed, are those who were prosecuted under that unjust law still criminals?

    no one else...

    Bullshit. FDR ordered the internment of thousands of US citizens,
    most of whom were Japanese or of Japanese ancestry. This included
    women and children. Just because he did not like the color of
    their skin.

    was there a law passed to cause this? did those people stand trial and were they found guilty of criminal activity under that law? i think hikaru kato sulu
    might have something to say about that ;)

    GWB ordered the internment of just over a thousand people, some
    of whom were US citizens, on the basis of them being suspected of
    being Muslim.

    being muslim is against a law??? should i be scared if i worship in the muslim way?

    About half were deported, since they were not US citizens. The rest
    were eventually released. And one was actually put on trial and convicted, sentenced to life (the Muslim guy who chickened out being a hijacker).

    )\/(ark

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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to mark lewis on Friday, June 28, 2019 22:06:48
    sorry, i'm not twisting any words around...

    It's ok, I forgive you. It's a relief that you won't be doing that anymore.

    firstly we can stop locking them up in cages...

    We can't do anything about that; that's up to border patrol. I'm asking *what can we do* not *what can we stop others from doing.*

    We can start a food drive for them? I'd donate to that. Wouldn't you?

    i would if i had disposible $$$ i could do that with, sure... the

    Come on Mark, we all know you live in Maryland. That's one of the most expensive states in all of the USA. You can't spare a can of peas or a tube
    of toothpaste to help the people you're here crying for? Because you're
    afraid the evil republicans will spill the beans on the floor, and have an
    orgy in it, in front of starving illegal alien children?

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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to Lee Lofaso on Friday, June 28, 2019 22:14:02
    Separating children from their parents is a violation of human
    rights, as well as a violation of international law. This "zero

    Sorry to break it to you, but in that case, the USA has never cared about
    what you call "human rights." I was separated from my kid by the court 12
    years ago, and I didn't even endanger him. Didn't make him swim the rio,
    didn't make him ride across provinces under the hood of a cement truck either. But I still love the USA and won't do anything to offend it.

    If you let illegal aliens have a free pass when it comes to
    child-endangerment, you're going to have a lot of angry Americans.

    You ae comparing *children* as being criminals? That is twisted!

    You're making no sense of the stuff you quoted me on? That's twisted too!

    Donald J. Trump and his Republican enablers should be ashamed of themselves for their adamant refusal to help those countries better

    What do you, on behalf of central american ldcs, want us to do to fix your failed products of greed? Want us to buy you some abortions? How about if we buy some of your drugs too? - Wait - we've been doing you these favors for years now!

    Who's asked for help & been denied?

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to aaron thomas on Saturday, June 29, 2019 02:39:08
    On 2019 Jun 28 22:06:48, you wrote to me:

    sorry, i'm not twisting any words around...

    It's ok, I forgive you. It's a relief that you won't be doing that
    anymore.

    dude, i never mince words or twist things like that...

    firstly we can stop locking them up in cages...

    We can't do anything about that; that's up to border patrol.

    ummm... yeah... how many of them are there compared to how many of us??

    I'm asking *what can we do* not *what can we stop others from doing.*

    what we can do is make them stop doing that...

    We can start a food drive for them? I'd donate to that. Wouldn't
    you?

    i would if i had disposible $$$ i could do that with, sure... the

    Come on Mark, we all know you live in Maryland.

    you have me mixed up with some else... i've lived in central NC most of my 50+ years...

    That's one of the most expensive states in all of the USA. You can't
    spare a can of peas

    if i had a fucking can of peas, i would definitely share them... as much as i hate them, i'd eat them if that's all i had... split peas? sure, i love them...
    but not canned peas... right now i'm trying to figure out what i can do to get
    food for my cats (3), my guinea fowl (2), my remaining two chickens (since the
    coyotes got ten of them some weeks ago so now i don't get eggs as much as i did), my rooster, my toulouse geese (20), and my dog... if i had canned peas, i'd have a little something to feed to my chickens... i'm sure they'd eat them... not sure about my geese eating them, though... i don't even have money for gas so i can get back out job hunting... i'm 30 minutes from the nearest town with any sort of work to offer and it costs me $10US just to go to town and come back without doing anything else... if i go to town, i'd better be spending or bringing back more than $10US to make the trip worthwhile... i was my father's care giver until he died back in august... i spent the last 30+ years here with him and i don't have access to those resources any more... don't come fucking talking to me about being hungry or not having any god damned money for basic necessities... i'm damned well living it!

    or a tube of toothpaste to help the people you're here crying for?

    i have a half a tube of toothpaste... once it is gone, i'm out with no current prospects of getting more... after that, it'll be salt and baking soda to brush
    my teeth with until i run out of them... i prefer not to use that because salt
    is better with food and the baking soda is better used in flour as levening...

    Because you're afraid the evil republicans will spill the beans on the floor, and have an orgy in it, in front of starving illegal alien children?

    dude, i've lost 50+ pounds in the last 10 months *because* beans are pretty much all that i've had to eat... a 20 pouind bag of dried pinto beans is about gone... every once in a while, maybe some pork neckbones get thrown into the pot... or maybe some turkey necks... but neither one of them come around very damned often... sometimes i'll throw a handful or two of rice into the pot to stretch it along... that was a 10 pound bag of rice when i started... maybe some frozen vegetables that have been in the deep freezer for 4 or 5 years will
    get thrown into the pot... but you know what? even though i don't have anything and i could use some assistance myself, i *STILL* help others as much as i can when i can and how i can... i share my pot of beans with others... i drive my truck carrying folks back and forth to work or to the grocery store even though it costs them $10US a trip... that's what it costs me so i have to charge them or there won't be any fuel to even do that... i don't even make any
    extra on it... i'm not trying to... i'm helping them as best i can with what little i have... i get them to work so they can make some little bit of money to try to get out of the hole they are in... and one day, just one day, that help will come back to me... some how, some way, it will come back...

    i haven't drowned in a river with my 2yo daughter but if i had to swim across a
    damned river with my young child to try to save them, you better believe i'd do it... i'd do it in heart beat because i'm a parent and i'll do anything i can to try to find a better place and life for my kids... i've already lost my oldest son... buried him ~10 years ago... he asked me to bring his motorcycle to atlanta for him so i did... 72 hours later, he was gone... now i'm losing my
    other son to god damned heroin... i tried to help by letting him stay here instead of on the streets... what'd he do? he lied to me over and over and stole stuff of his grandfather's from here... i had to kick him and make him get into a program... i don't even know if he's still in that program or how he's doing... i hope he's doing good but he's got a long way to go... i haven't
    seen any of my five grand children in 10 years... yeah, if i had to carry them
    across a river on my back, i'd absolutely do it if there was no other choice that i could see... i applaud that father for trying... i hate that they died in the attempt but at least he tried to do something to make his daughter's life better than it was where they came from...

    don't be telling me what selfish assholes can do... i've seen it for 50+, i see
    it all the time today, and i'm gorran damned sick of it... get off your ass and go help someone instead of sitting there moaning and whining about some immigrants coming into our country... this country was built on immigration! damned near everybody here in this country is here because of immigration! immigrants need help as much as anyone else... i don't fault them one iota for doing everything they can to come here to what was the greatest country in the world... the land of the free and the home of the brave... yeah, right... sons of bitches won't even take care of our veterans like we were promised... yeah, i'm an honorably discharged veteran... i, my father, several aunts and uncles all were promised lifetime health care... greedy assholes like trump, conning people left and right, taking the money and spreading it around his friends and
    associates... can't even speak a coherent paragraph but he's going to save the
    country... bullshit, lying sack of shit... $700+US a day to take care of the people illegally taken and locked up in cages and where's that money going? it ain't going to take care of those people! if it were, they'd have food, blankets, cans of peas, and toothpaste! trump sounds like my son when he's all drugged up on that shit... talking a big game and failing at everything he touches... ruining everything for everybody else... fuck that! get outta my yard!

    are you fucking happy now?

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Saturday, June 29, 2019 02:22:00
    On 06-28-19 06:46, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Mark Lewis about Re: War or Planefuls of <=-

    have you finished reading th emueller report yet?

    No not yet, but what I have read thus far, concludes and supports,
    No Collision and No Obstruction.

    Then keep reading, with comprehension. Part I outlines many contacts
    between the Trump campaign staff and foreign elements, and instances in
    which they accepted aid from foreign government agents. Mueller did say
    that he could not establish evidence of a criminal conspiracy. He did
    not address the common statement of collision[sic] because there is no
    such crime in the justice system.

    On obstruction, Part II lists at least ten occurrences for which all of
    the elements of obstruction of justice were met, but because of the OIC
    policy of not inditing a sitting President, he could not formally charge
    him with the crime. Nevertheless, he laid out all of the elements for
    which Trump could be charged, either by impeachment or after is not
    elected for a second term. More than 1000 former prosecutors and
    justice department officials have said that what Mueller put into part
    II would most likely result in a conviction of anyone other than a
    sitting President.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Mark Lewis on Saturday, June 29, 2019 02:36:02
    On 06-28-19 14:30, Mark Lewis <=-
    spoke to Gregory Deyss about War or Planefuls of <=-


    What about the angel moms & dads who had their children murdered at
    the hands of these invaders / migrants.

    angel moms and dads? murdered children? invaders? WTF are you on about now?


    He is echoing Trumps false claim that these immigrants are full of
    rapists and murderers who only want to bring drugs into USA.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to mark lewis on Saturday, June 29, 2019 20:52:25
    Hello mark,

    HINT: only a judge can determine if someone is a criminal...

    An unjust law has no basis for making anybody a criminal.

    agreed...

    An unjust law is no law at all.

    until that law is found unjust, it is still the law...

    Many women find toplessness laws to be very unjust ...

    the question is if the law is found unjust and removed, are those who were
    prosecuted under that unjust law still criminals?

    Who says one has to be charged with a crime? For example,
    seizure and forfeiture laws. You can lose everything you own,
    including your two chickens, and never be charged with a crime.
    These S&F laws have become so ominous that they have turned
    local police into bounty hunters and the bounty is your cash,
    vehicles and property.

    no one else...

    Bullshit. FDR ordered the internment of thousands of US citizens,
    most of whom were Japanese or of Japanese ancestry. This included >LL>women and children. Just because he did not like the color of
    their skin.

    was there a law passed to cause this?

    The law was called FDR. Passed by the Congress in its declaration
    of war on the Empire of Japan.

    did those people stand trial and were they found guilty of criminal activity
    under that law?

    Nah. These "enemy aliens" were simply rounded up and placed in
    internment camps in various states based on the law of FDR.

    i think hikaru kato sulu might have something to say about that ;)

    Camp Livingston in Louisiana was very active during this period.
    Nationwide, over 110,000 Japanese and Japanese Americans, 1941-1946.
    But none in Hawai'i.

    GWB ordered the internment of just over a thousand people, some
    of whom were US citizens, on the basis of them being suspected of
    being Muslim.

    being muslim is against a law???

    Only for a short period of time, under the law of GWB.

    should i be scared if i worship in the muslim way?

    Not until after you press the button and find there are no 72 virgins.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to aaron thomas on Saturday, June 29, 2019 20:52:32
    Hello Aaron,

    Separating children from their parents is a violation of human
    rights, as well as a violation of international law. This "zero

    Sorry to break it to you, but in that case, the USA has never cared about
    what you call "human rights."

    The US Constitution (with the inclusion of the Bill of Rights and
    other amendments) makes it a human rights document. Which is exactly
    what the idea of this country is all about. Or rather what it is
    supposed to be about.

    I was separated from my kid by the court 12 years ago, and I didn't even
    endanger him.

    Even children have rights, which proves my point.

    Didn't make him swim the rio, didn't make him ride across provinces under
    the hood of a cement truck either.

    That is one of the reasons why we, as Americans, should help
    those in need. We can do this in many different ways, including
    helping those countries where they are from be able to provide
    for their own citizens so that they would no longer have to
    endanger their own lives as well as others by making hazardous
    journeys.

    But I still love the USA and won't do anything to offend it.

    We show our love towards others by sharing what we have.
    Not by denying those a chance to live a decent life.

    If you let illegal aliens have a free pass when it comes to >child-endangerment, you're going to have a lot of angry Americans.

    You ae comparing *children* as being criminals? That is twisted!

    You're making no sense of the stuff you quoted me on? That's twisted too!

    Children are not criminals. People (both children and adults)
    who are applying for asylum are not criminals. Even those who
    sneak across the border are not criminals, as doing so is only
    a misdemeanor (kind of like jaywalking).

    Donald J. Trump and his Republican enablers should be ashamed of >LL>themselves for their adamant refusal to help those countries better

    What do you, on behalf of central american ldcs, want us to do to fix your
    failed products of greed? Want us to buy you some abortions? How about if
    we buy some of your drugs too? - Wait - we've been doing you these favors
    for years now!

    We should not limit ourselves to people from Central America, but
    rather should open our doors wide for everybody to come in - from
    all over the world. That is our mission, as inscribed on a statue
    given to us by France.

    Who's asked for help & been denied?

    Everybody - except for Melania and her parents.

    --Lee

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  • From BOB ACKLEY@1:123/140 to MARK LEWIS on Saturday, June 29, 2019 12:20:06
    On 2019 Jun 28 07:25:18, you wrote to me:

    which ones are those? how do you know they are criminals? who
    said
    they are criminals? where's the proof?

    Want Proof? read on.

    HINT: only a judge can determine if someone is a criminal... no one
    else...
    "you people" calling asylum seekers criminals before they even get a
    chance to
    make their request is putting the cart before the horse as well as
    stepping out
    of your lane and displaying your agendas...

    How about the ones who claimed asylum, saw a judge, had their claim
    denied (most are bogus) and DIDN'T LEAVE THE COUNTRY as the judge
    ordered?
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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to BOB ACKLEY on Saturday, June 29, 2019 22:03:04
    On 2019 Jun 29 12:20:06, you wrote to me:

    HINT: only a judge can determine if someone is a criminal... no one
    else... "you people" calling asylum seekers criminals before they
    even get a chance to make their request is putting the cart before
    the horse as well as stepping out of your lane and displaying your
    agendas...

    How about the ones who claimed asylum, saw a judge, had their claim
    denied (most are bogus) and DIDN'T LEAVE THE COUNTRY as the judge
    ordered?

    which ones would those be, bob?

    )\/(ark

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to BOB ACKLEY on Sunday, June 30, 2019 06:58:46
    Hello Bob,

    How about the ones who claimed asylum, saw a judge, had their claim
    denied (most are bogus) and DIDN'T LEAVE THE COUNTRY as the judge
    ordered?

    At least 7 children (all of them claiming asylum) have died while
    in US custody. Their cremated remains have been sent to their
    country of origin. Nobody knows the whereabouts of their parents.

    --Lee

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to mark lewis on Sunday, June 30, 2019 09:12:51
    On 28 Jun 2019, mark lewis said the following...

    geez... i guess my parent were wrong for allowing me to ride the bus and fly alone to go from southern georgia to north carolina to visit my grandparents, then... or was is when i flew to DC to visit one of my cousins' families? i was less than twn for one of those trips... less
    then 14 for the others... BTW: nothing happened... the rides and flights were enjoyable...


    The examples that you have provided show that you are ignoring the dangers
    that exist for children traveling alone to the U.S. It is clear that you are trying to demonstrate that what you were allowed to do by being allowed to travel alone. - with your examples. They are not the same circumstances, in-fact they are vastly different. You know very well that they are vastly different.

    You're not that dumb and you know what I am talking about.
    However if it's not clear, let me put it another way.
    Your suggesting. "I did it, traveled alone" - what's the big deal?
    You as a child - traveling alone many years ago on a bus or even flying alone is far different than what the dangers that exist on a daily basis for these children traveling along across the desert, all that they must endure and have to deal with as they hope with each step they get closer and closer to a
    better life.

    Having said that, why is it I wonder, that you chose to make such an ignorant statement, specially when you knew in advance that I would deem it as such.

    Clearly... I am not opposed to anyone coming to the U.S. as long as come here legally.

    angel moms and dads? murdered children? invaders? WTF are you on about now?

    This *IS* the problem with the other-side! They wear blinders and only see what they want to see. Bad things happen by the hands of these adult migrants / criminals. They are not the "just want a better life & piece of the American dream people" that you and others paint them to be.

    https://theremembranceproject.org/stolen-lives/

    https://dailycaller.com/2018/06/18/angel-moms-border-separation/

    http://www.ojjpac.org/memorial.asp

    This is what WTF, I'm talking about!

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to BOB ACKLEY on Sunday, June 30, 2019 09:28:31
    On 28 Jun 2019, BOB ACKLEY said the following...

    uh... it has already been brought... you dropped your
    sword and lost
    another round :shrug:

    Is that what you think this is all about?

    says he who was all about winning a few weeks ago...




    Anyone watching the debates? What a bunch of clowns. Blah Blah the
    same old retoric.

    I did not watch this circus, but I have heard from others who did enjoy the cotton candy as they did tune in.

    No presence of the American Flag, and these people are having a debate as
    one hopes to stand out among the cess pool of candidates to be the next President?

    None of them have a prayer against Trump.

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Gregory Deyss on Sunday, June 30, 2019 16:57:50
    On 2019 Jun 30 09:12:50, you wrote to me:

    geez... i guess my parent were wrong for allowing me to ride the bus
    and fly alone to go from southern georgia to north carolina to visit
    my grandparents, then... or was is when i flew to DC to visit one of
    my cousins' families? i was less than twn for one of those trips...
    less then 14 for the others... BTW: nothing happened... the rides and
    flights were enjoyable...

    The examples that you have provided show that you are ignoring the
    dangers that exist for children traveling alone to the U.S. It is
    clear that you are trying to demonstrate that what you were allowed to
    do by being allowed to travel alone. - with your examples. They are
    not the same circumstances, in-fact they are vastly different. You
    know very well that they are vastly different.

    dude... damn...

    1. i was a young child
    2. i was allowed to travel ALONE

    how is that any different than what was stated before, which you cut out, where
    other young children are traveling alone?

    young child == young child
    travel along == travel alone

    show me the difference there in the base of the formula...

    You're not that dumb and you know what I am talking about.

    i have no clue HOW you are screwing this up... are you using that new math or what??

    However if it's not clear, let me put it another way. Your suggesting.
    "I did it, traveled alone" - what's the big deal? You as a child - traveling alone many years ago on a bus or even flying alone is far different than what the dangers that exist on a daily basis for these children traveling along across the desert, all that they must endure
    and have to deal with as they hope with each step they get closer and closer to a better life.

    it may surprise you what i have done as a child and what i allowed my children to do... camping, hiking, learning survival skills were all part of that...

    Having said that, why is it I wonder, that you chose to make such an ignorant statement, specially when you knew in advance that I would
    deem it as such.

    i never had a thought that you would deem my statement as ignorant... that's stupid and there's a huge difference between the two...

    Clearly... I am not opposed to anyone coming to the U.S. as long as
    come here legally.

    how are they coming here illegally? be specific with absolute proof... not some
    bullshit that your orange clown has been spewing...

    angel moms and dads? murdered children? invaders? WTF are you on
    about now?

    This *IS* the problem with the other-side! They wear blinders and only see what they want to see.

    no, the problem is you spewing things without any proof or explanation... WHAT ARE ANGEL MOMS AND DADS? start there... then explain who TF is INVADING...

    Bad things happen by the hands of these adult migrants / criminals.

    BAD THINGS HAPPEN AT THE HANDS OF CHURCH MEMBERS, TOO!

    They are not the "just want a better life & piece of the American
    dream people" that you and others paint them to be.

    perhaps you can tell me what the lottery numbers are for next week, then? you sure seem to know what others are thinking and doing without any proof or even being there...

    https://theremembranceproject.org/stolen-lives/

    https://dailycaller.com/2018/06/18/angel-moms-border-separation/

    http://www.ojjpac.org/memorial.asp

    This is what WTF, I'm talking about!

    you should have lead with that, then, instead of just spewing it forth like projectile vomit...

    )\/(ark

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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to mark lewis on Sunday, June 30, 2019 20:44:42
    how is that any different than what was stated before, which you cut
    out, where other young children are traveling alone?

    Scenario A: Child travels lawfully around the world, all alone.

    Scenario B: Child travels unlawfully around central america, risking a slight chance of being sold into sexual slavery, being used as a drug mule, being murdered by human traffickers for not having the amount of money he said he had, drowning in a river, roasting his brain in scorching dry desert heat, being put in this situation by liberal americans, while conservative
    americans scramble for ways to save his life, and protect their sovereignty
    at the same time, despite the fact that liberals are trying to pin the blame
    on said conservatives, so they can dominate the federal government, win elections, and make millions on speaking tours.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to mark lewis on Monday, July 01, 2019 06:35:35
    On 30 Jun 2019, mark lewis said the following...

    it may surprise you what i have done as a child and what i allowed my children to do... camping, hiking, learning survival skills were all
    part of that...

    Yeah sure, as was I, plus my friend and I were put on a bus to traveled to Riverside, USA (an amusement park) known today as Six Flags, New England. Which is similar to the kind of travel that you were allowed to do. My point was just because we were allowed to do these moments of being independent, involving trust. Does not mean that these children traveling across the desert on foot have any safety for they are plagued with dangers. We take so much for granted sometimes and we don't even think about the bad things that could happen, that we are shielded from.

    how are they coming here illegally? be specific with absolute proof...
    not some bullshit that your orange clown has been spewing...

    I suppose the Italians are also nasty because they too don't want migrants in their country either.

    In-fact name me one country besides Germany that has an open arms policy with migrants welcome, no need for paperwork, just come on in..

    you should have lead with that, then, instead of just spewing it forth like projectile vomit...

    There should of been no need to explain or to define the term Angel Mom's & Dad's. It should of been understood the first time I wrote angel moms....

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to aaron thomas on Monday, July 01, 2019 08:11:40
    On 2019 Jun 30 20:44:42, you wrote to me:

    how is that any different than what was stated before, which you cut
    out, where other young children are traveling alone?

    Scenario A: Child travels lawfully around the world, all alone.

    Scenario B: Child travels unlawfully around central america,

    prove it... and remember that only judges can determine legal or not...

    )\/(ark

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gregory Deyss on Monday, July 01, 2019 20:35:23
    Hello Greg,

    [..]

    how are they coming here illegally? be specific with absolute proof... >ml>not some bullshit that your orange clown has been spewing...

    I suppose the Italians are also nasty because they too don't want migrants
    in their country either.

    Italy had taken in more than they can handle, which is why they
    insisted their European neighbors do their own part. That is not
    to say that Italy does not want to take in immigrants. In fact,
    I would be very welcome to do so. As would you. And many others.

    Most of the immigrants trying to get to Italy are refugees.
    Mainly from Libya, which is in a constant state of crisis. Italy
    had taken in so many of them it was impossible to take in any
    more. Public assistance to those who are not Italian, especially
    those who cannot speak the language or have any job skills, is
    very limited to say the least.

    In-fact name me one country besides Germany that has an open arms policy
    with migrants welcome, no need for paperwork, just come on in..

    Afghanistan.

    you should have lead with that, then, instead of just spewing it forth >ml>like projectile vomit...

    There should of been no need to explain or to define the term Angel Mom's & >Dad's. It should of been understood the first time I wrote angel moms....

    I thought little girls were angels ...

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to mark lewis on Monday, July 01, 2019 20:35:30
    Hello mark,

    how is that any different than what was stated before, which you cut >ml>>out, where other young children are traveling alone?

    Scenario A: Child travels lawfully around the world, all alone.

    Scenario B: Child travels unlawfully around central america,

    prove it...

    "Everybody is equal, but some people are more equal than others,"
    ~ George Orwell, in `Animal Farm'

    and remember that only judges can determine legal or not...

    "It's nice to trust people, but it's better to control them."
    ~ Vladimir Lenin

    An unjust law is a code that is out of harmony with the moral law.
    Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr. wrote about this in his famous "Letter
    From a Birmingham Jail".

    Kangaroo courts decide what is legal or not all the time.
    So do dictators, who act as judges for all the people. Why
    should they have any right at all to determine what is legal
    or not? Just because the decisions they make are backed by
    others to enforce those decisions does not make anything
    they do in compliance with the moral law.

    Segregation was "legal" in the South for a very long time.
    Slavery was also "legal" everywhere in the USA for a very long time.
    That does not mean either was in compliance with the moral law.

    Every individual has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws.
    But few are courageous enough to do so. Most folks fail to even
    realize what an unjust law is today.

    When you see a woman breastfeeding her child in public being
    arrested for indecent exposure, do you step in and challenge the
    officer who is making the arrest? Nah. Doing so would put yourself
    in the position of getting yourself arrested - for whatever trumped
    up reason the officer decides.

    Article I Section 8 (what powers the federal government is granted)

    Go ahead. Read it. It is quite short.

    The focus is on -
    * international relations
    * issuing currency
    * raising armies, navies
    * calling forth the militia
    * interstate commerce

    The balance of power is left to the states.

    Wheere does any judge in the USA get the power to decide
    on matters outside those areas? Only in his own mind.
    That is your position - "only judges can determine what is
    legal or not."

    I say you are full of sh*t.

    So does the US Constitution.

    As well as The Good Doctor.

    --Lee

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  • From BOB ACKLEY@1:123/140 to DALE SHIPP on Monday, July 01, 2019 15:32:44
    On 06-28-19 14:30, Mark Lewis <=-
    spoke to Gregory Deyss about War or Planefuls of <=-


    What about the angel moms & dads who had their children murdered
    at
    the hands of these invaders / migrants.

    angel moms and dads? murdered children? invaders? WTF are you on
    about
    now?


    He is echoing Trumps false claim that these immigrants are full of
    rapists and murderers who only want to bring drugs into USA.

    Not so false. There have been several instances in the Omaha area
    where crimes were committed by "undocumented" aliens
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  • From BOB ACKLEY@1:123/140 to MARK LEWIS on Monday, July 01, 2019 15:35:32
    On 2019 Jun 29 12:20:06, you wrote to me:

    HINT: only a judge can determine if someone is a criminal... no
    one
    else... "you people" calling asylum seekers criminals before
    they
    even get a chance to make their request is putting the cart
    before
    the horse as well as stepping out of your lane and displaying
    your
    agendas...

    How about the ones who claimed asylum, saw a judge, had their
    claim
    denied (most are bogus) and DIDN'T LEAVE THE COUNTRY as the judge ordered?

    which ones would those be, bob?

    I don't have any names, Mark. Trump got a lot of (predictable) bad
    press when he announced a planned roundup and expulsion of illegals.
    Not all of them, just the ones that a judge ordered to leave the
    country. Then he delayed the action for some idiot reason.
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  • From BOB ACKLEY@1:123/140 to GREGORY DEYSS on Monday, July 01, 2019 15:37:30
    On 28 Jun 2019, BOB ACKLEY said the following...

    I did not watch this circus, but I have heard from others who did
    enjoy the
    cotton candy as they did tune in.

    No presence of the American Flag, and these people are having a
    debate as
    one hopes to stand out among the cess pool of candidates to be the
    next
    President?

    None of them have a prayer against Trump.

    Don't count your chickens. As the late Josef Stalin noted: "It's not
    who votes that counts, it's who counts the votes.
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  • From BOB ACKLEY@1:123/140 to MARK LEWIS on Monday, July 01, 2019 15:40:06
    On 2019 Jun 30 09:12:50, you wrote to me:

    geez... i guess my parent were wrong for allowing me to ride
    the bus
    and fly alone to go from southern georgia to north carolina to
    visit
    my grandparents, then... or was is when i flew to DC to visit
    one of
    my cousins' families? i was less than twn for one of those
    trips...
    less then 14 for the others... BTW: nothing happened... the
    rides and
    flights were enjoyable...

    The examples that you have provided show that you are ignoring
    the
    dangers that exist for children traveling alone to the U.S. It is
    clear that you are trying to demonstrate that what you were
    allowed to
    do by being allowed to travel alone. - with your examples. They
    are
    not the same circumstances, in-fact they are vastly different.
    You
    know very well that they are vastly different.

    dude... damn...

    1. i was a young child
    2. i was allowed to travel ALONE

    OK. But I guaran-double damn-tee that the aircrews kept an eye on
    you. It's quite a bit different when you're riding across the desert
    in the southwestern US with a bunch of people who may or may not be
    related to you.
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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to BOB ACKLEY on Monday, July 01, 2019 17:36:04
    On 2019 Jul 01 15:32:44, you wrote to DALE SHIPP:

    He is echoing Trumps false claim that these immigrants are full of
    rapists and murderers who only want to bring drugs into USA.

    Not so false. There have been several instances in the Omaha area
    where crimes were committed by "undocumented" aliens

    seems to me that they're already here... they're not immigrating, they're here and simply undocumented... the statement was about immigrants which would indicate those on the way here...

    )\/(ark

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    it off.
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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to BOB ACKLEY on Tuesday, July 02, 2019 07:27:38
    Hello Bob,

    [..]

    None of them have a prayer against Trump.

    Don't count your chickens.

    He only has two of them. According to his own count.

    As the late Josef Stalin noted: "It's not who votes that counts, it's who
    counts the votes."

    And the chickens came home to roost.

    --Lee

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  • From Gerhard Strangar@2:240/2188.575 to Gregory Deyss on Tuesday, July 02, 2019 06:55:23
    Am 01 Jul 19 06:35:35 schrob Gregory Deyss an mark lewis zum Thema
    <Re: War or Planefuls of>

    In-fact name me one country besides Germany that has an open arms policy with migrants welcome, no need for paperwork, just come on in..

    LOL. We have a form for everything - and they are in German. If you do not speak German, you can fill out a form to apply for lessons, all forms are in German, though.
    I think you are referring to not sending refugees back to the country where they first entered the EU. I think Sweden is also not doing that at the moment.



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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to mark lewis on Wednesday, July 03, 2019 09:24:21
    but in regard to your question, no, i don't argue with food stamp authorities...

    I'm sorry, that was a rude example for me to use. I just was wondering what
    you think about handouts. I've had foodstamps in the past, but I don't
    qualify anymore.

    But foodstamps are a good example of people exploiting loopholes for personal gain. I know a woman who refuses to change jobs simply because of foodstamps and medicaid. She's an idiot. I try telling her places where she can make
    good money, and get bcbs insurance, but she's stuck on this loophole: if she can make lousy money all her life, then she can be on foodstamps & medicaid
    all her life too.

    It's similar with the "unlawful visitors." They could work hard, for pennies
    a day in their home countries, until they have enough money to apply for a visa, but instead, they take the caveman approach and walk in pretending to
    be from a country with an oppressive government.

    Then to make matters more irritating, there are children being killed by
    their government in Syria, people getting the death penalty for being gay,
    and women being stoned to death for being rape victims.. But hell with all those people, we need to flood the asylum application system with people who are tired of eating rice & beans. Thanks to the loophole.

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to aaron thomas on Wednesday, July 03, 2019 12:47:00
    On 2019 Jul 03 09:24:20, you wrote to me:

    but in regard to your question, no, i don't argue with food stamp
    authorities...

    I'm sorry, that was a rude example for me to use. I just was wondering what you think about handouts. I've had foodstamps in the past, but I don't qualify anymore.

    handouts can be beneficial at times...

    But foodstamps are a good example of people exploiting loopholes for personal gain. I know a woman who refuses to change jobs simply
    because of foodstamps and medicaid. She's an idiot. I try telling her places where she can make good money, and get bcbs insurance, but
    she's stuck on this loophole: if she can make lousy money all her
    life, then she can be on foodstamps & medicaid all her life too.

    leading a horse to water and getting it to drink are two different things... but she may also have a valid (to her) reason for not wanting to get off the rolls or advance her position in life... there's more responsibility for one thing... she has to meet someone else's schedules and demands, for another... they may be more restrictive than what she has now...

    )\/(ark

    And to this end they built themselves a stupendous super-computer which was
    so amazingly intelligent that even before its data banks had been connected
    up it had started from "I think therefore I am" and got as far as deducing
    the existence of rice pudding and income tax before anyone managed to turn
    it off.
    ... Cherish all your happy moments: they make a fine cushion for old age
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  • From Steve Wolf@1:154/700 to Dale Shipp on Wednesday, July 03, 2019 14:09:00
    Re: Re: War or Planefuls of
    By: Dale Shipp to Gregory Deyss on Tue Jul 02 2019 01:43 am

    It is engraved at the base of the Statue of Liberty:
    "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the
    homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

    You cannot deny that as being the tradition and soul of the USA.

    This is a VERY good point. I just happened to watch a very good documentry about the Statue of Liberty and the imigrants. They showed the writing you mentioned. It also outlined the struggles of the Irish Immigrants. I am of German decent. Now I'm not ready to give up my "postion" on the Immigrants trying to force their way into our Great Country. It is an illegal act and should not go unpunished. However, I will admit I have had a "change of heart" regarding Immigrants. It's clear to me it was a very different time in America's history when the Statue of Liberty was built. However, nobody can deny what is stands for.. That's all I have to say for today.
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  • From BOB ACKLEY@1:123/140 to MARK LEWIS on Wednesday, July 03, 2019 16:38:56
    On 2019 Jul 03 09:24:20, you wrote to me:

    but in regard to your question, no, i don't argue with food stamp
    authorities...

    I'm sorry, that was a rude example for me to use. I just was
    wondering
    what you think about handouts. I've had foodstamps in the past, but
    I
    don't qualify anymore.

    handouts can be beneficial at times...

    TEMPORARY handouts. FIFTY EIGHT YEARS AGO my parents were griping about multiple generations of people living on California's welfare gravy train.
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  • From BOB ACKLEY@1:123/140 to STEVE WOLF on Wednesday, July 03, 2019 16:41:32
    Re: Re: War or Planefuls of
    By: Dale Shipp to Gregory Deyss on Tue Jul 02 2019 01:43 am

    It is engraved at the base of the Statue of Liberty:
    "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to
    breathe
    free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden
    door!"

    You cannot deny that as being the tradition and soul of the USA.

    This is a VERY good point. I just happened to watch a very good
    documentry
    about the Statue of Liberty and the imigrants. They showed the writing
    you
    mentioned. It also outlined the struggles of the Irish Immigrants. I am
    of
    German decent. Now I'm not ready to give up my "postion" on the
    Immigrants
    trying to force their way into our Great Country. It is an illegal act
    and
    should not go unpunished. However, I will admit I have had a "change of
    heart"
    regarding Immigrants. It's clear to me it was a very different time in America's history when the Statue of Liberty was built. However, nobody
    can
    deny what is stands for.. That's all I have to say for today.

    It's odd that those who support the illegals are curiously silent about
    the asylum that was denied to the passengers aboard the USS Saint Louis -
    of course they were German Jews that were fleeing Hitler's government.
    They weren't even allowed to land, nor was the ship allowed to resupply;
    the ship eventually moved down to a Caribbean island so it could offload
    its passengers
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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to BOB ACKLEY on Wednesday, July 03, 2019 17:29:18
    On 2019 Jul 03 16:41:32, you wrote to STEVE WOLF:

    It's odd that those who support the illegals are curiously silent about the asylum that was denied to the passengers aboard the USS Saint Louis -

    why's it so odd? we're talking about today, not yesteryear... but since you bring it up, let's take a look...

    1. it happened 80 years ago; May 1939.
    2. the St. Louis was a German ship, not a USS military ship.
    3. the St. Louis landed in Havana, Cuba with 937 passengers.
    4. Cuba did not allow the passengers to disembark from the vessel.
    5. yes, the US and Canada were also unwilling to admit the passengers.
    6. a majority of the passengers had filed for US visas but had not received them before sailing.
    7. they had hopes to stay in Cuba for a short time until their US visas came through.
    8. yes, the US didn't allow them to land because they had not passed security screening.
    9. many Americans did sympathize with the plight of those passengers.
    10. they returned to Europe where some countries did admit a certain percentage.
    11. some of those did get a proper visa and came back to the US before the German invasion in 1940.
    12. 254 of those passengers were killed in the Holocaust, though.

    did i miss anything?

    https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/voyage-of-the-st-louis

    )\/(ark

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    so amazingly intelligent that even before its data banks had been connected
    up it had started from "I think therefore I am" and got as far as deducing
    the existence of rice pudding and income tax before anyone managed to turn
    it off.
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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Thursday, July 04, 2019 00:53:28
    On 02 Jul 2019, Dale Shipp said the following...

    On 07-01-19 06:35, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Mark Lewis about Re: War or Planefuls of <=-

    In-fact name me one country besides Germany that has an open arms policy with migrants welcome, no need for paperwork, just come on in.

    In fact, name me one country besides the USA that has it ingrained in
    its history to accept the downtrodded immigrants from other places.

    It is engraved at the base of the Statue of Liberty:
    "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

    You cannot deny that as being the tradition and soul of the USA.

    I don't deny any American tradition, but won't just sit back and let the stooges on the left, once again to twist the words, politicizing it's meaning.

    Every-time immigration is in the news or upon our minds the left likes to
    quote this phrase to twist it's meaning.

    Tens of Thousands came to the United States via Ellis Island - but they came legally, they didn't sneak across the border like the cockroaches of today that the Democrats exploit for votes. They like to run their mouthes but won't work the President, they want to play 'the migrants' to keep their own version of a Trump card again for political means.

    Practice what you preach, and support politically.... Dale

    Rush said it best

    "The Statue of Liberty had absolutely nothing to do with immigration. So why
    do people think that it does? Well, there was a socialist poet. (Are poets anything other than socialists and communists?) Her name was Emma Lazarus,
    and her poem was called The New Colossus, and it included the lines, Give me your tired, give me your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free.

    That was not part of the creation of the Statue of Liberty. It was not delivered with the Statue of Liberty. It came later. The poem written by Emma Lazarus was written to help raise money for the statue's pedestal. We had to build the pedestal, which is also a room underneath the statue. A bronze tablet bearing the Emma Lazarus poem was only put inside the pedestal in
    1903. And yet there's Lester Holt out there on NBC holding out the Statue of Liberty as a beacon to immigrants as so that's what it was intended to be, fighting against Trump's executive order of the weekend. They have nothing to do with immigration. Zilch."

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Bob Ackley on Thursday, July 04, 2019 02:39:00
    On 07-03-19 16:41, Bob Ackley <=-
    spoke to Steve Wolf about Re: War or Planefuls of <=-

    It's odd that those who support the illegals are curiously silent
    about the asylum that was denied to the passengers aboard the USS
    Saint Louis - of course they were German Jews that were fleeing
    Hitler's government. They weren't even allowed to land, nor was the
    ship allowed to resupply; the ship eventually moved down to a
    Caribbean island so it could offload its passengers

    Perhaps we are silent only because it did not happen during our time. I
    don't recall exactly when that happened but I would not have been more
    than five years old, if I even existed.

    BUT, I will say that I deplore that action, as well as the internment of Japanese-American citizens (which I did not even find out about until I
    was about 28 and my wife was working in an office where one such person
    was also working). I also deplore the passing out of smallpox laden
    blankets to our Native American people, and the forceable removal of
    their children where they were placed in English schools and forbidden
    to speak their language.

    The USA has done many displicible things over the centuries. That does
    not excuse what is happening right now on our southern border.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Thursday, July 04, 2019 10:28:39
    On 04 Jul 2019, Dale Shipp said the following...

    On 07-03-19 16:41, Bob Ackley <=-
    spoke to Steve Wolf about Re: War or Planefuls of <=-

    It's odd that those who support the illegals are curiously silent about the asylum that was denied to the passengers aboard the USS Saint Louis - of course they were German Jews that were fleeing Hitler's government. They weren't even allowed to land, nor was the ship allowed to resupply; the ship eventually moved down to a Caribbean island so it could offload its passengers

    Read all about it and how it actually happened without the \ left slant. https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/the-tragedy-of-s-s-st-louis

    I also deplore the passing out of smallpox laden
    blankets to our Native American people, and the forceable removal of
    their children where they were placed in English schools and forbidden
    to speak their language.

    from Thomas Brown - author / E-mail: browntf@hal.lamar.edu

    Given the politicization of this topic, it seems necessary to acknowledge at the outset that far too many instances of the U.S. Army committing outrages against various Indian tribes can be documented. A number of these were explicitly genocidal in intent. It is not the intention of this author to deny that simple fact. However, as the eminent Cherokee sociologist Russell Thornton has observed of Ward Churchill's fabricated version of the 1837 smallpox epidemic.

    "The history is bad enough, there's no need to embellish it"

    (from G. Deyss)
    This is what exactly you (Dale Shipp) are attempting to accomplish.
    Once again pushing the narrative that America Sucks...
    Sucks to be you, because I will push and / or shove you back on this.
    It's up to you on the amount of force that is used.

    (Jaschik, 2005). That the U.S. Army is undoubtedly guilty of genocidal outrages against Indians in the past in no way justifies Ward Churchill's fabrication of an outrage that never happened.

    What Really Happened?
    The High Plains smallpox epidemic of 1837 has been analyzed by numerous historians. None of the previous histories have indicated any U.S. Army presence in the vicinity, much less any military involvement in genocide.
    None have mentioned a word about a boatload of blankets shipped from a
    military smallpox infirmary in St. Louis. None have mentioned any medical personnel as even being present in the vicinity, much less deliberately violating quarantine by sending infected Indians out among the healthy population.

    Madness has no purpose. Or reason. But it may have a goal.
    ~Spock

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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to Gregory Deyss on Thursday, July 04, 2019 09:08:53
    You cannot deny that as being the tradition and soul of the USA.

    I don't deny any American tradition, but won't just sit back and let the stooges on the left, once again to twist the words, politicizing it's

    We should all agree that inscriptions on statues are not the same as inscriptions on the constitution. Those beautiful, flowery words found on national monuments can easily be twisted into liberal political slogans.

    Tens of Thousands came to the United States via Ellis Island - but they came legally, they didn't sneak across the border like the cockroaches

    They say "My great-grandparents were immigrants too," but they always fall short of saying "..and they faced extreme scrutiny at Ellis Island; were
    tested for diseases like tuberculosis, and if they tested positive, were
    sent back to Europe."

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Gregory Deyss on Thursday, July 04, 2019 13:11:28
    On 2019 Jul 04 10:28:38, you wrote to Dale Shipp:

    It's odd that those who support the illegals are curiously silent
    about the asylum that was denied to the passengers aboard the USS
    Saint Louis - of course they were German Jews that were fleeing
    Hitler's government. They weren't even allowed to land, nor was
    the ship allowed to resupply; the ship eventually moved down to a
    Caribbean island so it could offload its passengers

    Read all about it and how it actually happened without the \ left slant. https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/the-tragedy-of-s-s-st-louis

    so instead read it with a / right slant?? how about one with | no slant?? how can anyone tell which \|/ slant there is?? :eyeroll:

    )\/(ark

    And to this end they built themselves a stupendous super-computer which was
    so amazingly intelligent that even before its data banks had been connected
    up it had started from "I think therefore I am" and got as far as deducing
    the existence of rice pudding and income tax before anyone managed to turn
    it off.
    ... You're jealous because the voices talk to me and not to you.
    ---
    * Origin: (1:3634/12.73)
  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to mark lewis on Thursday, July 04, 2019 14:34:29
    On 04 Jul 2019, mark lewis said the following...


    On 2019 Jul 04 10:28:38, you wrote to Dale Shipp:

    It's odd that those who support the illegals are curiously silent
    about the asylum that was denied to the passengers aboard the USS
    Saint Louis - of course they were German Jews that were fleeing
    Hitler's government. They weren't even allowed to land, nor was
    the ship allowed to resupply; the ship eventually moved down to a
    Caribbean island so it could offload its passengers

    Read all about it and how it actually happened without the \ left sla https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/the-tragedy-of-s-s-st-louis

    so instead read it with a / right slant?? how about one with | no
    slant?? how can anyone tell which \|/ slant there is?? :eyeroll:

    The url that I provided is the truth as told by the Jewish Virtual Library which paints different picture than the one previously indicated.

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Gregory Deyss on Thursday, July 04, 2019 16:19:48
    On 2019 Jul 04 14:34:28, you wrote to me:

    so instead read it with a / right slant?? how about one with | no
    slant?? how can anyone tell which \|/ slant there is?? :eyeroll:

    The url that I provided is the truth as told by the Jewish Virtual Library which paints different picture than the one previously indicated.

    what was previously indicated? i've seen no other links other than the one i posted and the one you posted... Dale didn't post one and neither did Bob...

    )\/(ark

    And to this end they built themselves a stupendous super-computer which was
    so amazingly intelligent that even before its data banks had been connected
    up it had started from "I think therefore I am" and got as far as deducing
    the existence of rice pudding and income tax before anyone managed to turn
    it off.
    ... I am Canadian Because....I can see a puck!!!
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Thursday, July 04, 2019 23:32:00
    On 07-04-19 00:53, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: War or Planefuls of <=-

    It is engraved at the base of the Statue of Liberty:
    "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

    You cannot deny that as being the tradition and soul of the USA.

    I don't deny any American tradition, but won't just sit back and let
    the stooges on the left, once again to twist the words, politicizing
    it's meaning.

    Every-time immigration is in the news or upon our minds the left likes
    to quote this phrase to twist it's meaning.

    There is no twisting nor politicizing of the meaning. The meaning is
    quite clear. It is not politics, it is humanity.

    Tens of Thousands came to the United States via Ellis Island - but
    they came legally, they didn't sneak across the border like the

    They got on a boat and came here. They did not have papers before they
    got here. They did not have jobs before they got here. They were
    fleeing from unacceptable situations in their home country, and were
    looking for a better life.

    How is that different from the people appearing at our southern border
    who are looking for asylum -- and are fleeing far worse conditions than
    the people who came in through Ellis Island.

    cockroaches of today that

    They are not cockroaches. They are human beings.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Thursday, July 04, 2019 23:46:02
    On 07-04-19 10:28, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: War or Planefuls of <=-

    I also deplore the passing out of smallpox laden
    blankets to our Native American people, and the forceable removal of
    their children where they were placed in English schools and forbidden
    to speak their language.

    Given the politicization of this topic, it seems necessary to
    acknowledge at the outset that far too many instances of the U.S. Army committing outrages against various Indian tribes can be documented. A number of these were explicitly genocidal in intent. It is not the intention of this author to deny that simple fact. However, as the
    eminent Cherokee sociologist Russell Thornton
    has observed of Ward Churchill's fabricated version of the 1837
    smallpox epidemic.

    "The history is bad enough, there's no need to embellish it"

    Who said I was refering to some 1837 epidemic. The use of smallpox
    blankets at Fort Pitt in 1763 has been documented. Take a look at Wiki,
    native american disease.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Thursday, July 04, 2019 23:57:04
    On 07-04-19 09:08, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Gregory Deyss about Re: War or Planefuls of <=-

    Tens of Thousands came to the United States via Ellis Island - but they came legally, they didn't sneak across the border like the cockroaches

    They say "My great-grandparents were immigrants too," but they always
    fall short of saying "..and they faced extreme scrutiny at Ellis
    Island; were tested for diseases like tuberculosis, and if they tested positive, were sent back to Europe."

    Hey -- that sounds like a good plan for the southern border. Why do
    exactly that?

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From BOB ACKLEY@1:123/140 to DALE SHIPP on Friday, July 05, 2019 11:12:36
    How is that different from the people appearing at our southern border
    who are looking for asylum -- and are fleeing far worse conditions
    than
    the people who came in through Ellis Island.

    cockroaches of today that

    They are not cockroaches. They are human beings.

    How many thousand of them are you *personally* going to feed and house?
    If not why not
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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to BOB ACKLEY on Friday, July 05, 2019 12:27:54
    On 2019 Jul 05 11:12:36, you wrote to DALE SHIPP:

    They are not cockroaches. They are human beings.

    How many thousand of them are you *personally* going to feed and house?

    no one is personally feeding them, bob... so hop right off that stupid train, man... furrfu...

    )\/(ark

    And to this end they built themselves a stupendous super-computer which was
    so amazingly intelligent that even before its data banks had been connected
    up it had started from "I think therefore I am" and got as far as deducing
    the existence of rice pudding and income tax before anyone managed to turn
    it off.
    ... Watch your step when you immediately know the one way to do anything.
    ---
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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to Dale Shipp on Friday, July 05, 2019 14:02:47
    How is that different from the people appearing at our southern border

    That question has been answered too many times already. I'm starting to understand why people complain about repeat questions on stackoverflow.

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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to Dale Shipp on Friday, July 05, 2019 14:08:59
    Island; were tested for diseases like tuberculosis, and if they teste positive, were sent back to Europe."

    Hey -- that sounds like a good plan for the southern border. Why do exactly that?

    Why not? Because they're sneaking in.

    "But Aaron, they're not sneaking in.."

    Some are and some aren't. Many people are being smuggled in. Not using a port of entry. Or, using a port of entry, but in a concealed container.

    90% of the people issued citations don't show up for court. Do we just ignore that, and act like the other 10% is what the conservatives are complaining about? (twist-a-roo?)

    "Hey Aaron, Gustavo Gonzalez showed up for court - that makes you a liar!"

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Friday, July 05, 2019 21:20:16
    I don't deny any American tradition, but won't just sit back and let the stooges on the left, once again to twist the words, politicizing it's meaning.

    Every-time immigration is in the news or upon our minds the left like to quote this phrase to twist it's meaning.

    There is no twisting nor politicizing of the meaning. The meaning is quite clear. It is not politics, it is humanity.

    Sure it is when you state things like the following.
    "
    It is engraved at the base of the Statue of Liberty: Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breat free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door
    "
    This was something added later but yet the left repeats it and points to it, with two pointed index fingers one from each hand as they attempt to
    politicize it's meaning and to create shame among people like me who truly understand that it has nothing to do with immigration or politics.

    Tens of Thousands came to the United States via Ellis Island - but they came legally, they didn't sneak across the border like the

    They got on a boat and came here. They did not have papers before they
    got here. They did not have jobs before they got here. They were
    fleeing from unacceptable situations in their home country, and were looking for a better life.

    True but most knew a trade, my Family came from Hamburg, Germany and settled
    in Sand Lake / Averill Park, N.Y., in Upstate New York, not far from where I
    am now Schodack Landing, N.Y.

    How is that different from the people appearing at our southern border
    who are looking for asylum -- and are fleeing far worse conditions than the people who came in through Ellis Island.

    There is a "Yuge" difference, between those people who came to Ellis Island to be processed and then granted access into our country to make a better life for themselves and their families, my ancestors were among the tens of thousands of people who all had the same American dream. They were not looking for a handout nor were they looking to be used by the Democratic Party as pawns as a means to hold on to political power, with the likes that is seen today for example. Giving out benefits and free goodies as if they were candy. Also in the crowd from Ellis Island was the Great Grandfather to Donald Trump and just look at what that family has been able to accompli$h.

    The only way the migrants - south of the border that you as well as others
    are so compassionate about would be similar to the folks who came to America via Ellis island is if they were to get in line to become citizens, the correct way. Instead of sneaking into the country after a long trek north. Somehow that does not seem to qualify as being the same generation that came to America via Ellis Island, many of them from south of the border do bring crime, but the left never wants to bring up those facts, but they have no problems talking about a crazed Christian who from time to to time goes off the rails, who was never really a Christian in the first place. They also seem to be fond to discussing The Crusades of the medieval period, lots of bloodshed there too. It does not matter the left sometimes makes it up as they go along, with
    world wide attention to their tall takes such was the case with the bought and paid for the fake Russian Dossier, and called it Russian Collusion.
    Recently it was discovered that there is NO intel to support support such a allegation. (sounds about right and accurate. Made up just like I have been saying.

    cockroaches of today
    They are not cockroaches. They are human beings.

    They might appear to me to more human to me and even gain a bit of understanding and even be compassionate to their cause.
    If they did not violate U.S. Sovereignty.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Friday, July 05, 2019 21:27:24
    On 04 Jul 2019, Dale Shipp said the following...

    On 07-04-19 09:08, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Gregory Deyss about Re: War or Planefuls of <=-

    Tens of Thousands came to the United States via Ellis Island - but th came legally, they didn't sneak across the border like the cockroache

    They say "My great-grandparents were immigrants too," but they always fall short of saying "..and they faced extreme scrutiny at Ellis Island; were tested for diseases like tuberculosis, and if they teste positive, were sent back to Europe."

    Hey -- that sounds like a good plan for the southern border. Why do exactly that?

    That would not work and you know it Alexandria Ocasio-Kotex-Cortez wouldn't allow it.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Bob Ackley on Saturday, July 06, 2019 01:41:00
    On 07-05-19 12:27, Mark Lewis <=-
    spoke to Bob Ackley about War or Planefuls of <=-


    On 2019 Jul 05 11:12:36, you wrote to DALE SHIPP:

    They are not cockroaches. They are human beings.

    How many thousand of them are you *personally* going to feed and house?

    no one is personally feeding them, bob... so hop right off
    that stupid train, man... furrfu...

    What he said.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Saturday, July 06, 2019 01:42:02
    On 07-05-19 14:02, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: War or Planefuls of <=-


    How is that different from the people appearing at our southern border

    That question has been answered too many times already. I'm starting
    to understand why people complain about repeat questions on
    stackoverflow.

    Why don't you try to give a simple and logical explanation as to what
    the difference is? Because I have not seen one.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Saturday, July 06, 2019 01:44:04
    On 07-05-19 14:08, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: War or Planefuls of <=-


    Island; were tested for diseases like
    tuberculosis, and if they teste
    positive, were sent back to Europe."

    Hey -- that sounds like a good plan for the southern border. Why
    [not left out by mistake] do
    exactly that?

    Why not? Because they're sneaking in.

    "But Aaron, they're not sneaking in.."

    Correct. They walk in, surrender themselves to the border patrol and
    ask for asylum.

    Some are and some aren't. Many people are being smuggled in. Not using
    a port of entry. Or, using a port of entry, but in a concealed
    container.

    What is your source for that info. If they are being smuggled in, or in
    a concealed container -- then how did they end up in the cages of the
    border guard?

    90% of the people issued citations don't show up for court. Do we just ignore that, and act like the other 10% is what the conservatives are complaining about? (twist-a-roo?)

    Your source for that figure?

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Saturday, July 06, 2019 01:53:06
    On 07-05-19 21:20, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: War or Planefuls of <=-

    <<SNIP>>

    True but most knew a trade, my Family came from Hamburg, Germany and settled in Sand Lake / Averill Park, N.Y., in Upstate New York, not far from where I am now Schodack Landing, N.Y.

    So what was the trade of those first imigrants from your family?

    How is that different from the people appearing at our southern border
    who are looking for asylum -- and are fleeing far worse conditions than the people who came in through Ellis Island.

    There is a "Yuge" difference, between those people who came to Ellis Island to be processed and then granted access into our country to
    make a better life for
    themselves and their families, my ancestors were among the
    tens of thousands of
    people who all had the same American dream.

    And the people coming from the south are doing exactly the same.


    They were not looking for a handout

    There is no evidence that most of the current migrants are looking for a handout. There is plenty of evidence that they are simply fleeing from
    an intolerable situation.

    Also in the crowd from Ellis Island was the Great Grandfather to Donald Trump and just look at what that family has been able to accompli$h.

    And why can't that be true in the future for the immigrants from the
    south?

    The only way the migrants - south of the border that you as well as
    others are so compassionate about would be similar to the folks who
    came to America via Ellis island is if they were to get in line to
    become citizens, the correct
    way.

    They are doing it in full accordance with the law which guarentees them
    the right to seek asylum.

    many of them from south of the border do bring crime,

    Of course there are some criminals in the migration, but "many" is an unsupported claim. Almost all of them are seeking escape from the
    conditions in their country of origin.

    was the case with the bought and paid for the fake Russian Dossier, and called it Russian Collusion. Recently it was discovered that there is
    NO intel to support support such a allegation. (sounds about right and accurate. Made up just like I have been saying.

    As has been said many times, and some folks keep ignoring, much of that "Dossier" has been substantiated by investigation. None has been proven
    false.

    They might appear to me to more human to me and even gain a bit of understanding and even be compassionate to their cause.
    If they did not violate U.S. Sovereignty.

    You are claiming that they have violated US Sovereignty, but most of
    them have simply come to the US Border patrol and asked for asylum. How
    is that a violation of US Sovereignty? It is what the USA law says that
    they are entitled to do.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Saturday, July 06, 2019 02:06:08
    On 07-05-19 21:27, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: War or Planefuls of <=-

    They say "My great-grandparents were immigrants
    too," but they always
    fall short of saying "..and they faced extreme scrutiny at Ellis
    Island; were tested for diseases like
    tuberculosis, and if they teste
    positive, were sent back to Europe."


    Hey -- that sounds like a good plan for the southern border. Why do exactly that?

    That would not work and you know it Alexandria Ocasio-Kotex-Cortez wouldn't allow it.

    Why wouldn't it work? Explain.

    Dale Shipp
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    (1:261/1466)


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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to Dale Shipp on Saturday, July 06, 2019 10:15:49
    Why don't you try to give a simple and logical explanation as to what
    the difference is? Because I have not seen one.

    Gregory Deyss <sp> gave one a couple messages ago, but ok..

    Immigrants coming through Ellis Island:
    Came legally without using a legal loophole
    Didn't sneak in through rivers or deserts
    Were subject to health screenings

    Illegal cockroaches coming through the southern border:
    Come illegally or via a legal loophole, which 90% abuse
    Sneaking in through the Rio Grande or deserts
    Not subject to health screenings - tuberculosis is a-ok

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Saturday, July 06, 2019 13:26:05
    On 06 Jul 2019, Dale Shipp said the following...

    True but most knew a trade, my Family came from Hamburg, Germany and settled in Sand Lake / Averill Park, N.Y., in Upstate New York, not f from where I am now Schodack Landing, N.Y.

    So what was the trade of those first imigrants from your family?

    I am researching my family's history, but I do know that they were
    Carpenter's - there is a house still standing today built overlooking Crooked Lake of which is just outside of Averill Park, N.Y.

    There is no evidence that most of the current migrants are looking for a handout.

    You really don't understand the cost associated for housing, health-care, education - the expense is enormous and it's not coming from any of these people, it's the good old American Tax Payer footing the bill.

    Also in the crowd from Ellis Island was the Great Grandfather to Dona Trump and just look at what that family has been able to accompli$h.
    And why can't that be true in the future for the immigrants from the south?

    They lack one very necessary ingredient, ambition.

    Of course there are some criminals in the migration, but "many" is an unsupported claim. Almost all of them are seeking escape from the conditions in their country of origin.

    Tell Kate Steinle parents that, she was shot just walking down the pier with her Father by a scumbag immigrant who was deported five times.

    As has been said many times, and some folks keep ignoring, much of that "Dossier" has been substantiated by investigation. None has been proven false.

    It has been proven false over and over again, it reads like a story out of Penthouse magazine, you got to be pretty sick and twisted to even write such
    a thing, but that is what hate and rage is all about.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Saturday, July 06, 2019 13:32:18
    On 06 Jul 2019, Dale Shipp said the following...

    On 07-05-19 21:27, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: War or Planefuls of <=-

    They say "My great-grandparents were immigrants
    too," but they always
    fall short of saying "..and they faced extreme scrutiny at Ellis Island; were tested for diseases like
    tuberculosis, and if they teste
    positive, were sent back to Europe."


    Hey -- that sounds like a good plan for the southern border. Why do exactly that?

    That would not work and you know it Alexandria Ocasio-Kotex-Cortez wouldn't allow it.

    Why wouldn't it work? Explain.

    Alexandria Ocasio-Kotex-Cortez, she would rally around these people and claim that the evil nation are racial pro-filling these people and there would be sweet music coming from a nearby violin. That's why it would not work.

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Gregory Deyss on Saturday, July 06, 2019 15:31:54
    On 2019 Jul 06 13:32:18, you wrote to Dale Shipp:

    Alexandria Ocasio-Kotex-Cortez, she would rally around these people and claim that the evil nation are racial pro-filling these people and there would be sweet music coming from a nearby violin. That's why it would not work.

    pro-filling?? dude, please... at least proof read your posts before hitting the
    send button :eyeroll:

    )\/(ark

    And to this end they built themselves a stupendous super-computer which was
    so amazingly intelligent that even before its data banks had been connected
    up it had started from "I think therefore I am" and got as far as deducing
    the existence of rice pudding and income tax before anyone managed to turn
    it off.
    ... CAMELOT: the place to shop for a used dromedary
    ---
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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to Dale Shipp on Saturday, July 06, 2019 15:02:25
    Nice twist!

    Correct. They walk in, surrender themselves to the border patrol and
    ask for asylum.

    Some are and some aren't. Many people are being smuggled in. Not usin a port of entry. Or, using a port of entry, but in a concealed container.

    What is your source for that info. If they are being smuggled in, or in
    a concealed container -- then how did they end up in the cages of the border guard?

    Who's "they?" There are illegals who come to the USA and don't commit many other illegal offenses, and there are illegals who go on crime sprees.
    There's no "they do this" or "they do that," but breitbart says 9 out of 10 don't show up for hearings; illegals aren't dumb, they know how to exploit
    the USA.

    The USA has one of the highest incarceration rates in the world - but that's not printed in the travel brochures. We have thousands of our own citizens & residents in cages, many for misdemeanor offenses. Do we let foreigners get away with stuff that we don't let our own people get away with?

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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to Dale Shipp on Saturday, July 06, 2019 15:06:31
    handout. There is plenty of evidence that they are simply fleeing from
    an intolerable situation.

    Where's that evidence? What's "intolerable" from your perspective? Low wages? Crime in the neighborhood? There's none of that here in the USA, right?

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to aaron thomas on Saturday, July 06, 2019 20:25:06
    On 2019 Jul 06 15:02:24, you wrote to Dale Shipp:

    but breitbart says [...]

    rly? :smh:

    )\/(ark

    And to this end they built themselves a stupendous super-computer which was
    so amazingly intelligent that even before its data banks had been connected
    up it had started from "I think therefore I am" and got as far as deducing
    the existence of rice pudding and income tax before anyone managed to turn
    it off.
    ... X-Mess Day - the cleanup day after Christmas.
    ---
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Sunday, July 07, 2019 01:12:00
    On 07-06-19 10:15, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: War or Planefuls of <=-


    Why don't you try to give a simple and logical explanation as to what
    the difference is? Because I have not seen one.

    Gregory Deyss <sp> gave one a couple messages ago, but ok..

    Immigrants coming through Ellis Island:
    Came legally without using a legal loophole
    Didn't sneak in through rivers or deserts
    Were subject to health screenings

    They are not sneaking in. They walk across, and immediately turn
    themselves into the border patrol for processing.

    If they do not get any health screening that is the fault of the border
    patrol, not them.

    Illegal cockroaches coming through the southern border:

    They are not cockroaches, they are human beings. Your use of
    denigrating terms does not diminish their plight.

    Come illegally or via a legal loophole, which 90% abuse

    What loophole is that?

    Sneaking in through the Rio Grande or deserts

    See above. You repeated yourself.

    Not subject to health screenings - tuberculosis is a-ok

    So fix that. Give them a medical screening. And btw, tuberculosis is a
    lot more treatable today than it was back in the days of Ellis Island.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Sunday, July 07, 2019 01:29:02
    On 07-06-19 13:26, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: War or Planefuls of <=-

    True but most knew a trade, my Family came from Hamburg, Germany and settled in Sand Lake / Averill Park, N.Y., in
    Upstate New York, not f
    from where I am now Schodack Landing, N.Y.

    So what was the trade of those first immigrants from your family?

    I am researching my family's history, but I do know that they were Carpenter's - there is a house still standing today built overlooking Crooked Lake of which is just outside of Averill Park, N.Y.

    Good for them. I still doubt that all of them had such a trade. Many
    of them were shareholders, making a meager living on the land.

    There is no evidence that most of the current migrants are looking for a handout.

    You really don't understand the cost associated for housing,
    health-care, education - the expense is enormous and it's not coming
    from any of these people, it's the good old American Tax Payer footing
    the bill.

    Once they get here, most are quite willing to work if allowed to. Who
    do you think picks those farm vegetables and fruits that you eat? They
    will pay taxes, they will pay into social security and medicare once
    they are allowed to be documented.

    Also in the crowd from Ellis Island was the Great
    Grandfather to Dona
    Trump and just look at what that family has been able to accompli$h.

    BTW -- your quoting is messing up and makes it look like the above is
    from me. It is not.

    And why can't that be true in the future for the immigrants from the south?

    They lack one very necessary ingredient, ambition.

    How on earth do you get that? If they had no ambition, they would not
    have made the journey.

    Of course there are some criminals in the migration, but "many" is an unsupported claim. Almost all of them are seeking escape from the conditions in their country of origin.

    Tell Kate Steinle parents that, she was shot just walking down the
    pier with her Father by a scumbag immigrant who was deported five
    times.

    OK, that was one out of 100,000 plus. It is not representative of the
    hundreds of immigrants, no matter how much your supreme leader would
    like you to believe.

    As has been said many times, and some folks keep ignoring, much of that "Dossier" has been substantiated by investigation. None has been proven false.

    It has been proven false over and over again, it reads like a story
    out of Penthouse magazine, you got to be pretty sick and twisted to
    even write such a thing, but that is what hate and rage is all about.

    Show me any reputable article that proves any of it false. As I said,
    much of it has been proven, none has been disproven. Plus -- you are
    focusing on one salacious article out of many. Do I believe that one --
    not really. But if it is true, you can bet that the Russians have a
    tape to use as blackmail against Trump.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Sunday, July 07, 2019 01:32:04
    On 07-06-19 13:32, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: War or Planefuls of <=-


    On 06 Jul 2019, Dale Shipp said the following...

    On 07-05-19 21:27, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: War or Planefuls of <=-

    They say "My great-grandparents were immigrants
    too," but they always
    fall short of saying "..and they faced extreme scrutiny at Ellis Island; were tested for diseases like
    tuberculosis, and if they teste
    positive, were sent back to Europe."


    Hey -- that sounds like a good plan for the southern border. Why do exactly that?

    That would not work and you know it Alexandria Ocasio-Kotex-Cortez wouldn't allow it.

    Why wouldn't it work? Explain.

    Alexandria Ocasio-Kotex-Cortez, she would rally around these people
    and claim that the evil nation are racial pro-filling these people and there would be sweet music coming from a nearby violin. That's why it would not work.

    Crickets. And fix your quoting.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Sunday, July 07, 2019 01:34:06
    On 07-06-19 15:06, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: War or Planefuls of <=-


    handout. There is plenty of evidence that they are simply fleeing from
    an intolerable situation.

    Where's that evidence? What's "intolerable" from your perspective? Low wages? Crime in the neighborhood? There's none of that here in the USA, right?

    How about being told by the gangs "your 10 year old son joins our gang
    and works with us, or we will kill your entire family"? Is that
    tolerable in your mind?

    Dale Shipp
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    (1:261/1466)




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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to mark lewis on Sunday, July 07, 2019 07:30:17
    On 06 Jul 2019, mark lewis said the following...

    On 2019 Jul 06 13:32:18, you wrote to Dale Shipp:

    Alexandria Ocasio-Kotex-Cortez, she would rally around these people a claim that the evil nation are racial pro-filling these people and th would be sweet music coming from a nearby violin. That's why it would work.

    pro-filling?? dude, please... at least proof read your posts before hitting the send button :eyeroll:

    The word that I was thinking of was profiling... Happy?

    Whatever Mark? Spell check did not catch it. You're far from perfect, you
    have blundered before and made some mistakes too, but yet no one says
    anything to you. Why is that?

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Sunday, July 07, 2019 08:33:39
    On 07 Jul 2019, Dale Shipp said the following...

    On 07-06-19 13:26, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: War or Planefuls of <=-

    True but most knew a trade, my Family came from Hamburg, Germany and settled in Sand Lake / Averill Park, N.Y., in
    Upstate New York, not f
    from where I am now Schodack Landing, N.Y.

    So what was the trade of those first immigrants from your family?

    I am researching my family's history, but I do know that they were Carpenter's - there is a house still standing today built overlooking Crooked Lake of which is just outside of Averill Park, N.Y.

    Good for them. I still doubt that all of them had such a trade. Many
    of them were shareholders, making a meager living on the land.

    There is no evidence that most of the current migrants are looking fo handout.

    You really don't understand the cost associated for housing, health-care, education - the expense is enormous and it's not coming from any of these people, it's the good old American Tax Payer footin the bill.

    Once they get here, most are quite willing to work if allowed to. Who
    do you think picks those farm vegetables and fruits that you eat? They will pay taxes, they will pay into social security and medicare once
    they are allowed to be documented.

    There is already enough people in the country picking the farm vegetables. These people are just as concerned with more people coming here illegally, because it could very well mean competition from even cheaper labor.

    Tell Kate Steinle parents that, she was shot just walking down the pier with her Father by a scumbag immigrant who was deported five times.

    OK, that was one out of 100,000 plus. It is not representative of the hundreds of immigrants, no matter how much your supreme leader would
    like you to believe.

    Was her life any less important? There are many hundreds of factual events that tell of, the tragic loss of life. The names are different but the outcome is the same of what happened to Kate.

    As has been said many times, and some folks keep ignoring, much of th "Dossier" has been substantiated by investigation. None has been pro false.

    It has been proven false over and over again, it reads like a story out of Penthouse magazine, you got to be pretty sick and twisted to even write such a thing, but that is what hate and rage is all about.

    Show me any reputable article that proves any of it false. As I said, much of it has been proven, none has been disproven.

    Here it is the reputable article that breaks it down and spells it out.
    Very clear and easy to understand.

    https://tinyurl.com/yye63l39

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Sunday, July 07, 2019 08:42:12
    Alexandria Ocasio-Kotex-Cortez, she would rally around these people and claim that the evil nation are racial profiling these people an there would be sweet music coming from a nearby violin. That's why it would not work.

    Crickets.

    It always is crickets, because the left lacks understanding.
    This is a matter of selective choice.
    or is it something more; driven hatred for America itself, or is it just a lack of intelligence. Perhaps a bit of both.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Sunday, July 07, 2019 08:46:50
    On 07 Jul 2019, Dale Shipp said the following...

    On 07-06-19 15:06, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: War or Planefuls of <=-


    handout. There is plenty of evidence that they are simply fleeing fr an intolerable situation.

    Where's that evidence? What's "intolerable" from your perspective? Lo wages? Crime in the neighborhood? There's none of that here in the US right?

    How about being told by the gangs "your 10 year old son joins our gang
    and works with us, or we will kill your entire family"? Is that
    tolerable in your mind?

    Why would any decent parent, allow their 10 year child join a gang?
    It's called Parenting or in your erroneous fairytale it is called lack of parenting.

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Gregory Deyss on Sunday, July 07, 2019 15:05:38
    On 2019 Jul 07 08:33:38, you wrote to Dale Shipp:

    Once they get here, most are quite willing to work if allowed to.
    Who do you think picks those farm vegetables and fruits that you eat?
    They will pay taxes, they will pay into social security and medicare
    once they are allowed to be documented.

    There is already enough people in the country picking the farm
    vegetables.

    no there's not... the majority are migrant workers... they travel from farm to farm during the seasons and generally go home during the winter to return the next planting and growing season so as to be ready when harvest time comes along...

    These people are just as concerned with more people coming here
    illegally, because it could very well mean competition from even
    cheaper labor.

    you have no clue...

    Show me any reputable article that proves any of it false. As I said,
    much of it has been proven, none has been disproven.

    Here it is the reputable article that breaks it down and spells it out. Very clear and easy to understand.

    https://tinyurl.com/yye63l39

    that's an OPINION piece on a conservative publisher's site... one with a highly
    conservative slant... certainly not reputable...

    )\/(ark

    And to this end they built themselves a stupendous super-computer which was
    so amazingly intelligent that even before its data banks had been connected
    up it had started from "I think therefore I am" and got as far as deducing
    the existence of rice pudding and income tax before anyone managed to turn
    it off.
    ... Real Programmers Don't Write Games.
    ---
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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Gregory Deyss on Sunday, July 07, 2019 15:12:02
    On 2019 Jul 07 08:46:50, you wrote to Dale Shipp:

    How about being told by the gangs "your 10 year old son joins our
    gang and works with us, or we will kill your entire family"? Is that
    tolerable in your mind?

    Why would any decent parent, allow their 10 year child join a gang?
    It's called Parenting or in your erroneous fairytale it is called lack
    of parenting.

    so when the crips and/or bloods come and tell you the above, are you going to pull the trigger on your kids and spouse or are you going to let the gang do it
    for you?

    )\/(ark

    And to this end they built themselves a stupendous super-computer which was
    so amazingly intelligent that even before its data banks had been connected
    up it had started from "I think therefore I am" and got as far as deducing
    the existence of rice pudding and income tax before anyone managed to turn
    it off.
    ... I am a fervent wine devotee and an outstanding parallel parker.
    ---
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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to Dale Shipp on Sunday, July 07, 2019 15:59:20
    They are not sneaking in. They walk across, and immediately turn themselves into the border patrol for processing.

    I often fantasize about my neighbors coming over and serving me lobster tail and champagne. And sometimes I dream about Iran giving huge donations to my Catholic church. You & me both have wild imaginations!

    If they do not get any health screening that is the fault of the border patrol, not them.

    Be sure to let the border patrol know that they're not doing their job then.

    They are not cockroaches, they are human beings. Your use of
    denigrating terms does not diminish their plight.

    I'm not saying they're insects, but the way they scurry off into hiding from ICE is reminiscent of the days when I lived in a lousy, dirty apartment building.

    Come illegally or via a legal loophole, which 90% abuse

    What loophole is that?

    The loophole is that the USA takes refugees. But the definition of "refugee"
    is lost in translation; the USA is referring to people who are coming from "oppressive" governments, but the word "oppressive" is basically the
    loophole. What's oppressive? There's a huge difference between oppression in the worst central american nation vs the worst in the world. Do we only care about central americans and nobody else?

    See above. You repeated yourself.

    We're on a never-ending loop. No matter how many times someone explains the difference between legal & illegal immigration to you, you still don't get it.

    So fix that. Give them a medical screening. And btw, tuberculosis is a lot more treatable today than it was back in the days of Ellis Island.

    The legal immigration system isn't broken; there's nothing to fix there. You want tuberculosis screenings for illegal immigrants? That doesn't fix the
    fact that they're jumping in line in front of applicants who aren't jumping
    on the loophole bandwagon.

    I'd rather have them screened for illegal immigration, drug smuggling, kidnapping, criminal background check in their home country, etc, and TB last.

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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to Dale Shipp on Sunday, July 07, 2019 16:03:29
    Once they get here, most are quite willing to work if allowed to. Who
    do you think picks those farm vegetables and fruits that you eat? They

    Once again, you're mixing and matching unlawful migrants with lawful ones. Seasonal farm workers are not illegal immigrants, or migrants whatsoever.
    They come with a job to do, they do it, and they go home. Don't disrespect
    them by tossing them in with the lowlives who jump the line in front of
    people who have invested money & integrity into their voyage to the USA.

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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to Dale Shipp on Sunday, July 07, 2019 16:07:50
    How about being told by the gangs "your 10 year old son joins our gang
    and works with us, or we will kill your entire family"? Is that
    tolerable in your mind?

    It's not tolerable, but it happens in the USA. Someone wouldn't be escaping that situation by coming here.

    How about "We're your government, and we think 100% of the children in that school are part of the resistance, so, we'll kill them all with toxic gas."

    Do you see the difference?

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to mark lewis on Monday, July 08, 2019 07:01:47
    These people are just as concerned with more people coming here illegally, because it could very well mean competition from even cheaper labor.

    you have no clue...

    Yeah I do have a clue and yes, what I have indicated is also the truth.
    You know why because some of the people who work in the fields were interviewed about this very real possibility of losing their jobs to cheaper labor and
    they have spoken words of concern.
    It's easy to understand why they would be concerned.

    Not enough people?
    When was the last time you went shopping for fruits and vegetables?
    The prices are not high and they have not skyrocketed due to a shortage. You're wrong plain and simple.

    Show me any reputable article that proves any of it false. As I sai
    much of it has been proven, none has been disproven.

    Here it is the reputable article that breaks it down and spells it ou Very clear and easy to understand.

    https://tinyurl.com/yye63l39

    that's an OPINION piece on a conservative publisher's site... one with a highly conservative slant... certainly not reputable...

    It's from the side, where truth lives.
    Just because you don't like what it says, does not make it wrong or not reputable. In fact I'm totally confident that history will show this is
    exactly what happened, but I know it is terribly inconvenient how the truth can get in the way of lies and liberal hate. Too bad...

    "Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to mark lewis on Monday, July 08, 2019 07:07:37
    Why would any decent parent, allow their 10 year child join a gang? It's called Parenting or in your erroneous fairytale it is called lac of parenting.

    so when the crips and/or bloods come and tell you the above, are you
    going to pull the trigger on your kids and spouse or are you going to
    let the gang do it for you?

    Irrelevant, because I would not allow such events to take place, because it comes down to a choice; of where you live, how you live.
    The last time I checked there no thugs of this kind here in Schodack, N.Y.

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Gregory Deyss on Monday, July 08, 2019 20:57:36
    On 2019 Jul 08 07:01:46, you wrote to me:

    Very clear and easy to understand.

    https://tinyurl.com/yye63l39

    that's an OPINION piece on a conservative publisher's site... one
    with a highly conservative slant... certainly not reputable...

    It's from the side, where truth lives.

    just like arseholes, everyone has their truth... that doesn't make it the real truth... especially when it is slanted to one side or the other... quit leaning! stand up straight and look at both sides so you get a valid picture down the middle... it isn't that hard to do...

    )\/(ark

    And to this end they built themselves a stupendous super-computer which was
    so amazingly intelligent that even before its data banks had been connected
    up it had started from "I think therefore I am" and got as far as deducing
    the existence of rice pudding and income tax before anyone managed to turn
    it off.
    ... Love may be blind, but marriage is a real eye-opener!
    ---
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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Gregory Deyss on Monday, July 08, 2019 21:12:34
    NOTE: i've added back Dale's relevant text that you so conveniently cut out...

    On 2019 Jul 08 07:07:36, you wrote to me:

    How about being told by the gangs "your 10 year old son joins our
    gang and works with us, or we will kill your entire family"? Is
    that tolerable in your mind?

    Why would any decent parent, allow their 10 year child join a gang?
    It's called Parenting or in your erroneous fairytale it is called
    lack of parenting.

    so when the crips and/or bloods come and tell you the above, are you
    going to pull the trigger on your kids and spouse or are you going to
    let the gang do it for you?

    Irrelevant,

    it is not irrelevant...

    because I would not allow such events to take place,

    you can't stop them from moving into the neighborhood and/or taking it over...

    because it comes down to a choice; of where you live, how you live.

    right... i grew up in a middle-class neighborhood... our windows and doors were
    always open... everyone knew everyone else in the neighborhood and we all yelled out when we freely entered each others' homes to visit... now every house there has bars on the windows... all the doors are locked and most of them are steel... the crips and bloods live around every corner... you can't always tell but if you know what to look for, you can see their colors...

    The last time I checked there no thugs of this kind here in Schodack,
    N.Y.

    i know where it is... i've been through there a time or two... maybe 15000 residents, now... what some would call a "small town"... either way, you have a
    limited horizon if you can't see this coming...

    )\/(ark

    And to this end they built themselves a stupendous super-computer which was
    so amazingly intelligent that even before its data banks had been connected
    up it had started from "I think therefore I am" and got as far as deducing
    the existence of rice pudding and income tax before anyone managed to turn
    it off.
    ... So many bytes, so few cps.
    ---
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Wednesday, July 10, 2019 00:59:00
    On 07-09-19 20:17, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: War or Planefuls of <=-

    Show me any reputable article that proves any of
    it false. As I said
    much of it has been proven, none has been disproven.

    Here it is the reputable article that breaks it down and spells it
    out. Very clear and easy to understand.

    https://tinyurl.com/yye63l39

    Sorry, you lose.

    OK, since you cannot seem to justify your biased article about the
    Steele Dossier, you decided to pivot to some other worn topic. Typical response from people who are losing.

    Wrong again, it's called winning, doubt me?
    two plus years of a investigation, costing the American tax
    payer many millions
    of dollars.
    Look who is STILL in The White House..

    For now. But as soon as he is voted out, criminal charges against him
    will be issued as a result of the things documented in the Mueller
    report.

    Then explain it to me again.

    Oh, and let's not forget about the many convictions and indictments made
    as a direct result of the Mueller SC inquiry. Or have you forgotten?

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Wednesday, July 10, 2019 06:56:33
    Look who is STILL in The White House..
    For now. But as soon as he is voted out, criminal charges against him will be issued as a result of the things documented in the Mueller
    report.

    Then explain it to me again.

    Oh, and let's not forget about the many convictions and indictments made as a direct result of the Mueller SC inquiry. Or have you forgotten?

    Here is how it works Dale, there can be no indictment, this requires
    evidence. There is none, however there is lots of evidence against Hillary Clinton but she gets a pass, because she had said that she did not intentionally do it knowingly, yeah... it does not work like that.

    What your putting forward is a fairytale to coax your ego but it is a fantasy to give your life purpose. How sad is that?

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Dale Shipp on Wednesday, July 10, 2019 19:44:29
    Hello Dale,

    [..]

    Look who is STILL in The White House..

    For now. But as soon as he is voted out, criminal charges against him
    will be issued as a result of the things documented in the Mueller
    report.

    Going back to George Washington, we have *never* put a former
    president in jail/prison. AFAIK, we also have *never* put a former
    vice president in jail/prison. Spiro Agnew was convicted, but never
    spent a day in jail. Aaron Burr was acquitted of having murdered
    Alexander Hamilton. Jefferson Davis, President of the Confederate
    States of America, was arrested after the war, but never charged or
    convicted.

    Then explain it to me again.

    Oh, and let's not forget about the many convictions and indictments made
    as a direct result of the Mueller SC inquiry. Or have you forgotten?

    Trump's campaign manager is still in jail. Some remain to be tried,
    and probably convicted. How many will get pardons is anybody's guess. Especially since we apparently have a "lawless" president in the WH.

    --Lee

    --
    Big Or Small We Lay Them All

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gregory Deyss on Wednesday, July 10, 2019 19:44:58
    Hello Greg,

    DS> GD> Look who is STILL in The White House..
    DS> For now. But as soon as he is voted out, criminal charges against
    him
    DS> will be issued as a result of the things documented in the Mueller
    DS> report.
    DS>
    DS> GD> Then explain it to me again.
    DS>
    DS> Oh, and let's not forget about the many convictions and indictments made
    DS> as a direct result of the Mueller SC inquiry. Or have you forgotten?

    Here is how it works Dale, there can be no indictment, this requires >evidence.

    It is not current DOJ policy to indict a sitting president or vice
    president. That policy can be changed, but until then current policy
    remains in effect and will be followed. That is the reason Mueller
    stated in his public address.

    There is none, however there is lots of evidence against Hillary
    Clinton but she gets a pass, because she had said that she did not >intentionally do it knowingly, yeah... it does not work like that.

    Hillary Clinton was not a subject (or a target) of the Mueller
    investigation. But hey, Republicans have investigated Hillary
    Clinton and other Democrats ad nauseum for eight years, perhaps
    decades, and did not find criminality. But they kept trying.
    And trying. And trying. Maybe one day they might actually find
    something. Like, maybe she forgot to tie her own shoestrings.

    On the other hand, all this stuff Hillary Clinton and Democrats
    are said to do or have done is fertile ground for investigators.
    Just think of what would happen if Hillary Clinton were to turn
    herself in and tell everybody she is "guilty" of whatever they
    decide to charge her with. Nah. That's not their style. Their
    leader (Donald Trump) just told them to "lock her up" - without
    ever giving them a reason why.

    Now, in case you haven't read the Mueller Report (you do know
    where to find it?) please allow me to give you the 50-cent tour -

    Donald Trump was Vladimir Putin's favorit candidate. As a result,
    Russians helped get Donald Trump elected. The Trump campaign, headed
    by Paul Manafort (a convicted criminal), had more than 100 suspicious interactions with representatives (military intelligence) of the
    Russian government (headed by Vladimir Putin). After the election,
    Donald Trump obstructed justice at least 10 times (by Mueller's own
    count) and would have been indicted had it not been current DOJ policy
    to let a sitting president/vice president off the hook.

    We know for a fact that a sitting president/vice president can be
    indicted, due to the fact that AG Elliot Richardson was prepared to
    do so in regards to Spiro Agnew. The only reason why Spiro Agnew
    was not indicted was because he (Agnew) decided to resign from office
    first.

    After the Agnew incident, the DOJ implemented a policy of not
    indicting a sitting president/vice president. Remember the Dick
    who was the sitting president at the time.

    None of this includes ongoing investigations of Donald Trump (and
    others) by the New York state Attorney General, for hush-money
    payments, missing inaugural funds, financial fraud, etc. ...

    What your putting forward is a fairytale to coax your ego but it is a
    fantasy to give your life purpose. How sad is that?

    Democrats, Independents, and at least one former Republican, seem
    to be right on course. What is your excuse?

    --Lee

    --
    Pork. The One You Love.

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  • From BOB ACKLEY@1:123/140 to AARON THOMAS on Wednesday, July 10, 2019 16:13:06
    Illegal cockroaches coming through the southern border:
    Come illegally or via a legal loophole, which 90% abuse
    Sneaking in through the Rio Grande or deserts
    Not subject to health screenings - tuberculosis is a-ok

    I've been down to those deserts - between El Paso, TX, and Alamoordo,
    NM, is 90 miles of very hot white sand (White Sands Proving Ground is
    there), no shade and no trees and in July the temp in the shade is 108F
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  • From BOB ACKLEY@1:123/140 to AARON THOMAS on Wednesday, July 10, 2019 16:16:34

    The USA has one of the highest incarceration rates in the world -

    Many people in this country don't know or won't admit that, but it's
    true. The good ol' "free" USA has more people in prison - both in raw
    numbers and as a percentage of the population - than any other country
    on earth
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  • From BOB ACKLEY@1:123/140 to MARK LEWIS on Wednesday, July 10, 2019 16:19:44
    On 2019 Jul 07 08:33:38, you wrote to Dale Shipp:

    Once they get here, most are quite willing to work if allowed
    to.
    Who do you think picks those farm vegetables and fruits that
    you eat?
    They will pay taxes, they will pay into social security and
    medicare
    once they are allowed to be documented.

    There is already enough people in the country picking the farm vegetables.

    no there's not... the majority are migrant workers... they travel
    from farm to
    farm during the seasons and generally go home during the winter to
    return the
    next planting and growing season so as to be ready when harvest time
    comes
    along...

    True. And the overwhelming majority of them enter the country legally
    and return home when they're finished
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Thursday, July 11, 2019 02:29:00
    On 07-10-19 06:56, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: War or Planefuls of <=-


    Look who is STILL in The White House..
    For now. But as soon as he is voted out, criminal charges against him will be issued as a result of the things documented in the Mueller
    report.

    Then explain it to me again.

    Oh, and let's not forget about the many convictions and indictments made as a direct result of the Mueller SC inquiry. Or have you forgotten?

    Here is how it works Dale, there can be no indictment, this requires evidence. There is none,

    I take it that you did not finish reading the Mueller report then. As
    has been said multiple times, it outlines ten items *with evidence*
    where an indictment would have been made except for Justice policy for
    not indicting a sitting President. BUT, as soon as Trump is no longer a sitting President, those items can be brought to indictment *with* the
    evidence quoted in the Mueller report.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Bob Ackley on Thursday, July 11, 2019 01:39:02
    On 07-10-19 16:19, Bob Ackley <=-
    spoke to Mark Lewis about War or Planefuls of <=-

    True. And the overwhelming majority of them enter the country legally
    and return home when they're finished

    Some do, and many do not. It has been going on for decades. We
    recently visited a large truck farm in Florida. When the owner/manager
    was asked if the workers (clearly Hispanic) were documented or not, his
    reply was a non-comittal "I don't know and I don't care". Even
    President Trump's companies hire non-documented workers. They get away
    with paying them less that way.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Thursday, July 11, 2019 17:33:46
    On 11 Jul 2019, Dale Shipp said the following...

    On 07-10-19 06:56, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: War or Planefuls of <=-


    Look who is STILL in The White House..
    For now. But as soon as he is voted out, criminal charges against hi will be issued as a result of the things documented in the Mueller report.

    Then explain it to me again.

    Oh, and let's not forget about the many convictions and indictments m as a direct result of the Mueller SC inquiry. Or have you forgotten?

    Here is how it works Dale, there can be no indictment, this requires evidence. There is none,

    I take it that you did not finish reading the Mueller report then. As
    has been said multiple times, it outlines ten items *with evidence*
    where an indictment would have been made except for Justice policy for
    not indicting a sitting President. BUT, as soon as Trump is no longer a sitting President, those items can be brought to indictment *with* the evidence quoted in the Mueller report.

    No I am afraid it is not going to work like you have suggested.

    There was no crime that was committed, therefore there can be no indictment
    not now or at the end of the Trump Administration which will be in the year
    of 2024.

    So you can stop with baited breath, because it's never going to happen.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Friday, July 12, 2019 00:40:00
    On 07-11-19 17:33, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: War or Planefuls of <=-

    I take it that you did not finish reading the Mueller report then. As
    has been said multiple times, it outlines ten items *with evidence*
    where an indictment would have been made except for Justice policy for
    not indicting a sitting President. BUT, as soon as Trump is no longer a sitting President, those items can be brought to indictment *with* the evidence quoted in the Mueller report.

    No I am afraid it is not going to work like you have suggested.

    There was no crime that was committed, therefore there can be no indictment not now or at the end of the Trump Administration which will
    be in the year of 2024.

    That may be your opinion, biased though it may be. But, it disagrees
    with over one thousand law professionals who say that all of the
    elements are there to indict and to probably achieve a criminal
    conviction.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to BOB ACKLEY on Thursday, July 11, 2019 21:21:31
    there), no shade and no trees and in July the temp in the shade is 108F

    Great place to take the kids for a hike, eh?

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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to Dale Shipp on Thursday, July 11, 2019 21:26:17
    President Trump's companies hire non-documented workers. They get away with paying them less that way.

    Isn't slavery the name of the game? Why else would democrats vote for their plight? To NOT exploit them for political gain?

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Gregory Deyss on Friday, July 12, 2019 03:32:30
    On 2019 Jul 11 17:33:46, you wrote to Dale Shipp:

    I take it that you did not finish reading the Mueller report then.
    As has been said multiple times, it outlines ten items *with
    evidence* where an indictment would have been made except for Justice
    policy for not indicting a sitting President. BUT, as soon as Trump
    is no longer a sitting President, those items can be brought to
    indictment *with* the evidence quoted in the Mueller report.

    No I am afraid it is not going to work like you have suggested.

    you can be afraid all you want to but that doesn't change things...

    There was no crime that was committed, therefore there can be no indictment not now or at the end of the Trump Administration which

    there are dozens of crimes that have been committed... you're wearing your willful ignorance like a peacock's tail... strutting around showing it off...

    ----->8 snip 8<-----
    Noun. willful ignorance (uncountable) (idiomatic, law) A decision in bad faith to avoid becoming informed about something so as to avoid having to make undesirable decisions that such information might prompt.
    ----->8 snip 8<-----

    additionally, the term "invincible ignorance" applies... it means "the fallacy of insisting on the legitimacy of one's position in the face of contradictory facts." in other words, burying your head in the sand...

    will be in the year of 2024.

    you keep believing that...

    So you can stop with baited breath, because it's never going to
    happen.

    "baited breath" doesn't mean what you think it means...

    ----->8 snip 8<-----
    *Bated breath vs baited breath*

    "Bated breath" is a phrase that means to hold one's breath due to suspense, trepidation or fear. The word bated is an abbreviation of the word abated, meaning to lessen in severity or amount. Bated is rarely used on its own as an adjective or verb anymore, but it lingers in the English language in the phrase
    "bated breath".

    "Baited breath" is a common misspelling of bated breath. Bait is a substance used as a lure to capture fish or other prey, therefore, someone with baited breath would probably have a terrible case of halitosis.
    ----->8 snip 8<-----


    )\/(ark

    And to this end they built themselves a stupendous super-computer which was
    so amazingly intelligent that even before its data banks had been connected
    up it had started from "I think therefore I am" and got as far as deducing
    the existence of rice pudding and income tax before anyone managed to turn
    it off.
    ... Oh! I get it! HAHAHAHAHAhahahaha....haha..
    ---
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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Gregory Deyss on Friday, July 12, 2019 10:29:42
    On 2019 Jul 12 07:01:14, you wrote to Dale Shipp:

    There was no crime that was committed, therefore there can be no
    indictment not now or at the end of the Trump Administration
    which wi
    be in the year of 2024.

    That may be your opinion, biased though it may be. But, it disagrees
    with over one thousand law professionals who say that all of the
    elements are there to indict and to probably achieve a criminal
    conviction.

    If Mueller did not indict,

    current federal policy is that a sitting president cannot be indicted so mueler
    couldn't indict trump... his hands were tied but only so far as indicting... but nothing stops the indictment from going forward once trump is no longer a sitting president...

    then there is no crime.

    bullshit... there are dozens, perhaps even hundreds of crimes perpetrated by trump... many are well known... the epstein mess jumps to mind and that's fixing to be a nasty bit of business... 2 and 2 equals 4 and when you look at everything with a discerning eye, you can see trumps wife was involved as a victim and how she was acquired via epstein's human trafficing, you might start to see the real light instead of the brown muck that trump has been throwing out to try to hide everything with... empty the swamp? the son of a bitch filled it! and you worship that shit???

    )\/(ark

    And to this end they built themselves a stupendous super-computer which was
    so amazingly intelligent that even before its data banks had been connected
    up it had started from "I think therefore I am" and got as far as deducing
    the existence of rice pudding and income tax before anyone managed to turn
    it off.
    ... The North has green salads. The South has collard greens.
    ---
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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to Gregory Deyss on Friday, July 12, 2019 23:48:42
    The newly released flight logs show former U.S. President Bill Clinton flew on convicted pedophile Jeffrey Epstein's infamous Lolita Express
    jet at least 26 times.

    Ah, but everyone knows that Bill Clinton has no history of being sexually mischievous. He probably talked about baseball with the Jeffster.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Aaron Thomas on Saturday, July 13, 2019 02:29:00
    On 07-11-19 21:26, Aaron Thomas <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: War or Planefuls of <=-


    President Trump's companies hire non-documented workers. They get away with paying them less that way.

    Isn't slavery the name of the game? Why else would democrats vote for their plight? To NOT exploit them for political gain?

    You make no sense, unless you are claiming that Trump is enslaving non-documented workers.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Saturday, July 13, 2019 02:47:02
    On 07-12-19 07:01, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: War or Planefuls of <=-


    There was no crime that was committed, therefore there can be no indictment not now or at the end of the Trump
    Administration which wi
    be in the year of 2024.

    Fix your eroneous quoting. Those are your words, not mine.


    That may be your opinion, biased though it may be. But, it disagrees
    with over one thousand law professionals who say that all of the
    elements are there to indict and to probably achieve a criminal conviction.

    If Mueller did not indict, then there is no crime.

    Wrong. Mueller was not allowed to indict a siting President, based on
    Justice Department Policy. You have been told that multiple times. Try
    to remember it. And do not base false claims based on imaginary ideas.

    The man said that
    if there were charges then he would of brought them forth to the
    fullest extent. This is not an opinion, it is fact.

    Where did he say that. I cannot find it in the report. Give us an
    exact searchable quote and/or page number in the report.

    What these one thousand law professionals bring is an opinion.
    When examined why this is their opinion, you find them motivated and driven by their hateful and vile liberal agenda and their thirst for power.

    No -- they are motivated by their professional opinion and knowledge of
    the law. Most federal prosecutors are apolitical. They do not have a
    liberal nor a conservative agenda. Their agenda is the law.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Sunday, July 14, 2019 02:18:00
    On 07-13-19 06:52, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: War or Planefuls of <=-

    Your ignorance is showing. Making the suggestion that over one
    thousand law professionals use elements to *probably* achieve criminal conviction.


    Do you think, before you start pushing keys as they form into words?

    I do -- and I choose my words very carefully. No lawyer or prosecutor
    would ever honestly say with certainty that they can achieve a criminal conviction. Only a judge and jury can do that. BUT, they can say that
    all of the necessary elements for a crime are there -- as laid out by
    Mueller in his report.


    It is quite clear that you do not respect the word of law.
    Only your left ideology, which no longer resides at The White House.

    I do respect the rule of law -- something that no longer resides at the
    White House.

    So if is true, were they not aware of this before they
    began the investigation?

    The investigation started to find out what happened, and how the
    Russians interferred in our election in 2016. They did that quite well.
    They did not start out to investigate the President -- until he began to interfere with the Russian investigation.

    I mean what would be the point of going through all of that, if they
    could not indict; to your point not allowed to indict a sitting
    President.
    It did not happen the way you are suggest, Your storytelling of the aftermath does not add up. Suggesting with the notion that they did a great service and produced multiple whatever, it is exactly that "whatever" because none of it matters if you can not deliver.

    You are babbling incoherently and I cannot make sense of your words.

    NO Collusion & No Obstruction only delusion.

    That is what the Barr report said, but it is not the truth. The present Attorney General is acting as the President's lawyer -- not as the
    peoples lawyer as he is supposed to be.

    What is closer to the truth is that some of the top brass within
    multiple intelligence agencies went rouge and conspired with members of the Democratic Party to put this short bus in motion.
    The nastiness of these people and the intent is clearly seen.

    RUBBISH.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Friday, July 12, 2019 07:01:15
    There was no crime that was committed, therefore there can be no indictment not now or at the end of the Trump Administration which wi be in the year of 2024.

    That may be your opinion, biased though it may be. But, it disagrees
    with over one thousand law professionals who say that all of the
    elements are there to indict and to probably achieve a criminal conviction.

    If Mueller did not indict, then there is no crime. The man said that if there were charges then he would of brought them forth to the fullest extent.
    This is not an opinion, it is fact.
    What these one thousand law professionals bring is an opinion.
    When examined why this is their opinion, you find them motivated and driven by their hateful and vile liberal agenda and their thirst for power.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to mark lewis on Friday, July 12, 2019 18:22:26
    bullshit... there are dozens, perhaps even hundreds of crimes
    epstein's human trafficing, you start to see the real light

    by the way it is trafficking not trafficing...

    No bullshit the Mueller team consisted of the brightest law scholars,
    including the man himself Robert (Mr.Integrity) Mueller. Maybe *YOU* should re-read his report (but this time - take off the Cap'n Crunch glasses.)

    Epstein Epstein Epstein, you're peddling the same shit covered in the
    drive-by media. You know dam well as well as I, what this is really all about. It's the newest method to go after Trump. Sorry to disappoint it's not going to work.

    President Trump said
    "Jeffrey Epstein was not somebody that I respected. I threw him out. In fact
    I think the great James Patterson, who's a member of Mar-a-Lago, made a statement yesterday, that many years ago I threw him out. I'm m not a fan of Jeffrey Epstein."

    William Slick Willie Clinton on the other hand was quick to speak up and say that he was only with Epstein a few times. Spoke to soon, he did....
    The newly released flight logs show former U.S. President Bill Clinton flew on convicted pedophile Jeffrey Epstein's infamous Lolita Express jet at least
    26 times.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Saturday, July 13, 2019 06:52:22
    On 13 Jul 2019, Dale Shipp said the following...

    On 07-12-19 07:01, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: War or Planefuls of <=-


    There was no crime that was committed, therefore there can be no indictment not now or at the end of the Trump
    Administration which wi
    be in the year of 2024.

    Fix your eroneous quoting. Those are your words, not mine.

    You need not worry everyone knows your quite delusional and firmly on the
    left.


    That may be your opinion, biased though it may be. But, it disagrees with over one thousand law professionals who say that all of the elements are there to indict and to probably achieve a criminal conviction.

    Biased? There was a 2 plus year investigation at the cost of millions that American tax payer paid for. These are the people getting screwed. That money could of spent on productive measures for the American people. Instead they pissed it away. On top of that there is a media that is connected at the hip at the Democratic Party going after the President with baseless accusations with every chance that they can get. You're calling *ME* biased?

    Your ignorance is showing. Making the suggestion that over one thousand law professionals use elements to *probably* achieve criminal conviction.

    Do you think, before you start pushing keys as they form into words?

    These so called law professionals wouldn't be professionals very long if
    they did as you suggest; using elements, the findings are based on the truth not fragments or as you have said "elements." Additionally there is no probably when coming to a verdict, which is not the same as probable cause of
    which could be used at the beginning stages of a investigation. This is a process that is further refined to either Yes or No, but never "probably"
    which is closer to maybe should never come into play in the court or in the rule of law.

    It is quite clear that you do not respect the word of law.
    Only your left ideology, which no longer resides at The White House.

    If Mueller did not indict, then there is no crime. DS>
    Wrong. Mueller was not allowed to indict a siting President, based on Justice Department Policy.

    So if is true, were they not aware of this before they began the investigation? I mean what would be the point of going through all of that, if they could not indict; to your point not allowed to indict a sitting President.

    It did not happen the way you are suggest, Your storytelling of the aftermath does not add up. Suggesting with the notion that they did a great service and produced multiple whatever, it is exactly that "whatever" because none of it matters if you can not deliver. No Collusion & No Obstruction only delusion.

    What is closer to the truth is that some of the top brass within multiple intelligence agencies went rouge and conspired with members of the Democratic Party to put this short bus in motion.
    The nastiness of these people and the intent is clearly seen.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gregory Deyss on Saturday, July 13, 2019 18:08:39
    Hello Greg,

    DS> GD> There was no crime that was committed, therefore there can be no
    DS> GD> indictment not now or at the end of the Trump Administration
    which wi
    DS> GD> be in the year of 2024.
    DS>
    DS> That may be your opinion, biased though it may be. But, it disagrees
    DS> with over one thousand law professionals who say that all of the
    DS> elements are there to indict and to probably achieve a criminal
    DS> conviction.

    If Mueller did not indict, then there is no crime.

    AG Elliot Richardson threatened to indict Vice President Vice President
    Spiro Agnew on various charges, and was fully prepared to do so.
    Rather than be indicted (and convicted), Spiro Agnew chose to resign
    from office in disgrace. Agnew later went on to plead guilty to all
    charges and avoided going to jail.

    After that event, President Nixon ordered his underlings in the DOJ
    to come up with an excuse so he would not have to face the same fate
    as his beloved vice president. One lawyer in the DOJ came to his aid
    by coming up with the excuse that in his own opinion the DOJ should not
    have a policy allowing to indict a sitting president or vice president.
    This was in spite of the fact there was no precedent. As such, his
    legal opinion carried no weight. Absolutely none at all.

    Did Spiro Agnew commit a crime(s)? Yes, as he plead guilty.
    Did Donald J. Trump commit a crime(s)? Yes, even though he has
    never plead guilty or not guilty. Does it matter that neither
    of them was indicted by the DOJ? Not at all.

    The man said that if there were charges then he would of brought them forth
    to the fullest extent.

    Once he is out of office, I doubt anybody will really care if
    charges are brought forth or not.

    This is not an opinion, it is fact.

    Either the president has, or has not, committed a crime(s).
    So which is it?

    What these one thousand law professionals bring is an opinion.

    Guilty as hell seems to me a condemnation.

    When examined why this is their opinion, you find them motivated and driven
    by their hateful and vile liberal agenda and their thirst for power.

    Bill Weld (R-MA) is a liberal???

    --Lee

    --
    Sleep With Someone New

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to mark lewis on Saturday, July 13, 2019 18:09:06
    Hello mark,

    DS>> GD> There was no crime that was committed, therefore there can be
    no
    DS>> GD> indictment not now or at the end of the Trump Administration
    DS>> which wi
    DS>> GD> be in the year of 2024.
    DS>>
    DS>> That may be your opinion, biased though it may be. But, it
    disagrees
    DS>> with over one thousand law professionals who say that all of the
    DS>> elements are there to indict and to probably achieve a criminal
    DS>> conviction.

    GD> If Mueller did not indict,

    current federal policy is that a sitting president cannot be indicted so
    mueler couldn't indict trump...

    Current DOJ policy, not federal policy as a whole. Just an opinion
    by the DOJ, which can be changed at any time, by the AG himself with
    nothing more than his own say-so. There is no precedent of a sitting
    president (or vice president) having been indicted. That does not
    mean a sitting president (or vice president cannot be indicted).

    AG Elliot Richardson threatened to indict Vice President Spiro Agnew,
    an was fully prepared to do so. Rather than be indicted, Spiro Agnew
    chose to resign from office in disgrace. After that incident, Nixon
    decided to protect himself by ordering an attorney from the DOJ to
    give an opinion concerning the legality of the DOJ indicting a sitting president. We all know how that turned out.

    his hands were tied but only so far as indicting...

    It was not DOJ policy to indict a sitting president. That does not
    mean he could not have done so. But like a good Marine, Mueller
    decided to play by the rules (of his own department).

    but nothing stops the indictment from going forward once trump is no longer
    a sitting president...

    The DOJ can change its policy anytime it wants. But I doubt it
    will do so, at least as long as Trump remains president.

    then there is no crime.

    bullshit...

    If a tree falls down in a forest and nobody hears it fall,
    did such a thing ever happen?

    there are dozens, perhaps even hundreds of crimes perpetrated by trump...

    Not according to Trump.

    many are well known...

    Not by Trump or any of his followers.

    the epstein mess jumps to mind and that's fixing to be a nasty bit of
    business...

    Epstein was Trump's friend. Until Trump unfriended him.

    --Lee

    --
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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Lee Lofaso on Sunday, July 14, 2019 12:26:24
    On 13 Jul 2019, Lee Lofaso said the following...

    Did Spiro Agnew commit a crime(s)? Yes, as he plead guilty.
    Did Donald J. Trump commit a crime(s)? Yes, even though he has
    never plead guilty or not guilty. Does it matter that neither
    of them was indicted by the DOJ? Not at all.

    With Spiro, real crimes were committed, so it stands to reason that the indication of pleading guilty was the right thing to do.

    The problem is that those principles are being used once again along with
    other recognizable desires of the past that speak of hunting someone down and destroying the man known as Donald J. Trump. The puzzle pieces that they are using today are different and are therefore deemed as incompatible, this does not matter to the left leaning organizers, they might as well have hammer behind their back, used of course to force the pieces to fit but they are becoming bolder and bolder to where the hammer is no longer hidden.

    Good Luck with that, they have not been successful with any of these attempts, they have all been a dismal miserable failure each and everyone of them. In-fact they are making the President stronger and what the strangest part of all of this is that they remain clueless about it.

    There is also truth in facts, where they delinquent with the truth they make
    up as they go along, and then sell it as fact.

    It is no secret that they do not like Trump and have been trying and failing with every attempt to get back to their version of Government, which is great for themselves, but it creates chaos and uncertainty for the American people.

    You do know what Make America Great means to the left, it is the opposite of President Trump's efforts and agenda in every-way.
    The left views Make America Great Again by having it's citizens being dependent on the U.S. Government. Additionally having the U.S. Government being dependent on other nations for it's survival - more like minimal life support leaving a nation barely alive and in fact crippled with no potential to becoming healthy again.

    The left liberal dream is to America inside out, it's efforts include The
    new green deal, that will make combustion engines a thing of the past, no planes in the sky either. No great numbers from from the Dow breaking records of 27,000 as been reached a few days ago. Socialism covering every corner of the U.S. Government.

    When examined why this is their opinion, you find them motivated and driv
    by their hateful and vile liberal agenda and their thirst for power.

    Bill Weld (R-MA) is a liberal???

    No he is not liberal but his thirst for power is apparent.
    He is also incredibility stupid if he thinks that he has a snowball chance in hell in becoming the next President of the United States of America.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Sunday, July 14, 2019 14:03:44
    On 14 Jul 2019, Dale Shipp said the following...

    The investigation started to find out what happened, and how the
    Russians interferred in our election in 2016. They did that quite well. They did not start out to investigate the President -- until he began to interfere with the Russian investigation.

    But the President did not interfere as this investigation was able to
    close without it being closed prematurely by order of the President which
    was also within his authority to do so. The President supplied complete transparency and even many hours of testimony by members of his staff to
    ensure this transparency.

    He was also correct to deem it as a witch hunt, but allowed it to continue.
    The truth of the matter that you're overlooking is that the left was itching
    to have him close it, then they could of used that against him too and making the decree that he was guilty of obstruction of justice, but they never got that opportunity to offer that deck of cards to give themselves a winning
    hand.

    That is what the Barr report said, but it is not the truth. The present Attorney General is acting as the President's lawyer -- not as the
    peoples lawyer as he is supposed to be.

    He is not doing anything of the kind the Attorney General is the people's lawyer. As well as the highest law official in the U.S.
    Just because you don't like the outcome does not make him the President's lawyer.

    I say again, what is closer to the truth is that some of the top brass within multiple intelligence agencies went rouge and conspired with members of the Democratic Party (including with foreign powers) with a former MI6 agent from Her Majesty's Government to put this short bus in motion.

    RUBBISH.

    No not rubbish this has been proven by real investigative journalism.

    What could you possibly know about the subject by having CNN and P-MS_NBC the select few channels on your television?

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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to Gregory Deyss on Monday, July 15, 2019 10:47:36
    like minimal life support leaving a nation barely alive and in fact crippled with no potential to becoming healthy again.

    This is why Mexico, China, and Iran can hardly wait for Trump to take a hike. They're being patient; they know that when dad's not looking, mom's gonna
    give in to their wishes.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to aaron thomas on Monday, July 15, 2019 22:03:59
    On 15 Jul 2019, aaron thomas said the following...

    like minimal life support leaving a nation barely alive and in fact crippled with no potential to becoming healthy again.

    This is why Mexico, China, and Iran can hardly wait for Trump to take a hike. They're being patient; they know that when dad's not looking,
    mom's gonna give in to their wishes.

    Oh I am sure, but there are more Trumps that could run and if ran they would win to Keep America Great as they rip it out of the hands from those would
    seek it's destruction; The Democratic Party is done for. No Message, lousily socialistic candidates to boot. The Democrats next opportunity is
    2024 because there is no way in hell Donald J. Trump will lose to these losers in 2020.

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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to Gregory Deyss on Wednesday, July 17, 2019 01:07:48
    Message, lousily socialistic candidates to boot. The Democrats next opportunity is 2024 because there is no way in hell Donald J. Trump will lose to these losers in 2020.

    Absolutely. But what about 2024? Foreign opportunists are counting the days.

    If about 12 Republicans, and about 200 Democrats, would get their act
    together, they could make intelligent, prosperous changes in law. They could compromise on things. I'm willing to bet that the honorable President Trump would sign off on just about anything lawmakers toss his way, but they prefer being able to say "he probably won't sign it so we're not wasting our time."

    Thereby hurting citizens significantly, but barely touching the president.
    Good job guys & gals!

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gregory Deyss on Wednesday, July 17, 2019 22:01:04
    Hello Greg,

    Did Spiro Agnew commit a crime(s)? Yes, as he plead guilty.
    Did Donald J. Trump commit a crime(s)? Yes, even though he has
    never plead guilty or not guilty. Does it matter that neither
    of them was indicted by the DOJ? Not at all.

    With Spiro, real crimes were committed, so it stands to reason that the
    indication of pleading guilty was the right thing to do.

    Agnew plead guilty after leaving office in disgrace. Made a plea
    deal with the prosecutor to keep himself out of jail.

    Donald Trump may be guilty as hell, of whatever folks want to accuse
    him of having done. But to date he has not been charged. Not because
    he is, or is not, POTUS.

    It is DOJ policy not to indict a sitting president/vice president.
    This was not the case before Watergate. There was evidence showing
    Agnew to have been guilty of having committed various crimes. Ditto
    with Nixon. AG Elliot Richardson used the threat of indictment to
    get Agnew to resign from office. Nixon was also under investigation
    at the time, and had Agnew decided to stay, both would have been
    impeached and removed from office at the same time, thus making the
    speaker of the house (a Democrat) the POTUS.

    After Agnew resigned from office, Nixon needed to protect himself
    from the same fate. That is why he got a lawyer from the DOJ to
    write an opinion stating that indicting a sitting president or
    vice president would be unconstitutional. Even though there is no
    precedent. That opinion is the basis of the current DOJ policy.

    The problem is that those principles are being used once again along with
    other recognizable desires of the past that speak of hunting someone down
    and destroying the man known as Donald J. Trump.

    Donald Trump has not been accused of having committed any crimes.
    Then there is the question as to whatever crimes he may have
    committed as having been "high crimes or misdemeanors" as defined
    by the Congress, which would make those crimes impeachable offenses.

    The puzzle pieces that they are using today are different and are therefore
    deemed as incompatible, this does not matter to the left leaning
    organizers, they might as well have hammer behind their back, used of
    course to force the pieces to fit but they are becoming bolder and bolder
    to where the hammer is no longer hidden.

    How do you define what are "high crimes and misdemeanors"? Only
    the Congress can decide that, as they are the deciders, as stated
    in the US Constitution.

    A scandal is not a crime. It may be an embarrassment, but not
    necessarily a crime. Bill Clinton cheated on his wife. That is
    a scandal. A crime? Maybe grounds for divorce. But maybe his
    wife lets him do it, and also does the same thing. It could be
    that Donald Trump and his wife do the same thing as the Clintons.
    I don't know, and I don't care. Whatever they do in private is
    their own business.

    Donald Trump Jr has met with Russians at Trump Tower. This
    was a scandal, but not necessarily a crime. Even though it is
    known that several Russians were involved in trying to disrupt
    our elections.

    Did then-candidate Donald Trump instruct his son to meet with
    Russians at Trump Tower? If so, for what purpose? Are we to
    believe that Donald Jr was just a naive little boy who got in
    over his head?

    A lot of people have questions. Questions they want answered.

    Good Luck with that, they have not been successful with any of these
    attempts, they have all been a dismal miserable failure each and everyone
    of them.

    Stonewalling is never successful. Bob Mueller is scheduled to testify
    to Congress on July 24. This will be the beginning of the end.

    In-fact they are making the President stronger and what the strangest part
    of all of this is that they remain clueless about it.

    The latest poll shows four Democrats (Biden, Warren, Harris,
    and Sanders) leading Trump. And tied with an openly gay candidate
    - Mayor Pete.

    After the president's racist comments ("Go back where you came from")
    the next poll will show even more Democrats in the lead.

    There is also truth in facts, where they delinquent with the truth they make
    up as they go along, and then sell it as fact.

    Are you okay with a racist president, Republicans?
    I'm not. And most Americans aren't either. I condemn
    his words of hate, as should everybody. Regardless of
    political affiliation (or non-affiliation).

    It is no secret that they do not like Trump

    What is there to like? A man who hates black people and brown
    people is not a man to be liked by anybody. The American people
    deserve somebody better than that to be their president. Even
    if that somebody is a woman. Or an openly gay man, happily
    married to another man.

    and have been trying and failing with every attempt to get back to their
    version of Government,

    I want a government "of the people, by the people, and for the people."
    What kind of government do you want?

    which is great for themselves, but it creates chaos and uncertainty for the
    American people.

    The idea of democracy is correct. And far better than Trump's
    idea of authoritarianism.

    You do know what Make America Great means to the left,

    Ronald Reagan's concept of "Make America Great Again" was that
    of an optimistic future, where all could work together to make this
    place a better world for each and every one of us, including those
    who come here from foreign shores to call this land their home.

    That is a far concept from whatever version Trump wants to create.

    it is the opposite of President Trump's efforts and agenda in every-way.

    Of course it is. Tip O'Neil and Ronald Reagan got along great.
    Especially after 5 o'clock at the local pub.

    The left views Make America Great Again by having it's citizens being
    dependent on the U.S. Government.

    Lifting all boats is certainly far better than sinking all ships.

    Additionally having the U.S. Government being dependent on other nations for
    it's survival - more like minimal life support leaving a nation barely
    alive and in fact crippled with no potential to becoming healthy again.

    Encouraging Germany to make a deal to buy natural gas from Russia
    has certainly made America great again. Not only will Germany be
    dependent on Russia for natural gas, but so will the rest of Europe,
    as those countries will be dependent on Germany to deliver the same
    natural gas it gets from Russia. See how that works?

    It is kind of like what happened in the day just before WWII.

    Germany and Russia made a deal.
    A non-aggression pact.
    Each side would get what it wanted.
    Germany would get the Balkans.
    Russia would get the Baltics.
    And both would split Poland.

    Of course, Germany reneged on the deal in 1941
    and Russia had to then get help from the USA.

    What happens when the only source for natural gas that Germany gets
    is from Russia? And what happens when the only source for natural gas
    that other European countries get comes from Germany?

    Brexit is not about England withdrawing from the EU. It is about
    England withdrawing from Germany. And with Germany being controlled
    by Russia, who do you think will be controlling the USA when Trump
    is best pals with Putin?

    The Chinese have a saying -

    "There can only be one sun that rules the sky."

    I hate to tell you, the sun is setting in the USA.

    The left liberal dream is to America inside out, it's efforts include The
    new green deal, that will make combustion engines a thing of the past, no planes in the sky either. No great numbers from from the Dow breaking
    records of 27,000 as been reached a few days ago. Socialism covering every corner of the U.S. Government.

    We have to move forward with better technology, less dependence
    on fossil fuels. Coal is no longer feasable, and of limited supply.
    There is a worldwide glut of oil, and prices cannot be sustained.
    Investors stand to gain or lose on the market, depending on how it
    is doing. Kind of like playing slots at a casino. Play long enough,
    and the house will win. Not a sound investment, if you ask me.
    Unless you own the casino.

    When examined why this is their opinion, you find them motivated and
    driv
    by their hateful and vile liberal agenda and their thirst for power.

    Bill Weld (R-MA) is a liberal???

    No he is not liberal but his thirst for power is apparent.

    A former federal prosecutor, he was one of the 1000+ signatorees
    who says Trump is guilty of obstructing justice. He is also a
    former governor, who understands how to properly exercise the duties
    of the chief executive. That is why he makes a good candidate for
    the Republican nomination.

    He is also incredibility stupid if he thinks that he has a snowball chance
    in hell in becoming the next President of the United States of America.

    He was the Libertarian Party's choice for Vice President in 2016.
    Of course, that was just a warm-up exercise for his run for the
    Republican nomination for 2020. I am sure he will be getting plenty
    of votes in Iowa and New Hampshire ...

    --Lee

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  • From BOB ACKLEY@1:123/140 to GREGORY DEYSS on Wednesday, July 17, 2019 15:52:18
    On 15 Jul 2019, aaron thomas said the following...

    like minimal life support leaving a nation barely alive and
    in fact
    crippled with no potential to becoming healthy again.

    This is why Mexico, China, and Iran can hardly wait for Trump to
    take a
    hike. They're being patient; they know that when dad's not
    looking,
    mom's gonna give in to their wishes.

    Oh I am sure, but there are more Trumps that could run and if ran
    they would
    win to Keep America Great as they rip it out of the hands from those
    would
    seek it's destruction; The Democratic Party is done for. No Message,
    lousily
    socialistic candidates to boot. The Democrats next opportunity is
    2024 because there is no way in hell Donald J. Trump will lose to
    these losers
    in 2020.

    Yeah there is. Election fraud, it's quite common in this country
    although nobody wants to admit it
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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to aaron thomas on Wednesday, July 17, 2019 23:51:33
    Hello Aaron,

    GD> Message, lousily socialistic candidates to boot. The Democrats next
    GD> opportunity is 2024 because there is no way in hell Donald J. Trump will
    GD> lose to these losers in 2020.

    Absolutely. But what about 2024? Foreign opportunists are counting the days.

    If about 12 Republicans, and about 200 Democrats, would get their act >together, they could make intelligent, prosperous changes in law. They could >compromise on things. I'm willing to bet that the honorable President Trump >would sign off on just about anything lawmakers toss his way, but they
    prefer
    being able to say "he probably won't sign it so we're not wasting our time."

    Senator Klobuchar has a bill for him to sign, assuming she can get
    the Grim Reaper to go along.

    Thereby hurting citizens significantly, but barely touching the president. >Good job guys & gals!

    Not to worry. President Klobuchar will be happy to lead the way
    beginning January 21, 2021.

    --Lee

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to aaron thomas on Wednesday, July 17, 2019 18:01:09
    On 17 Jul 2019, aaron thomas said the following...

    Message, lousily socialistic candidates to boot. The Democrats next opportunity is 2024 because there is no way in hell Donald J. Trump w lose to these losers in 2020.

    Absolutely. But what about 2024? Foreign opportunists are counting the days.

    If about 12 Republicans, and about 200 Democrats, would get their act together, they could make intelligent, prosperous changes in law. They could compromise on things. I'm willing to bet that the honorable President Trump would sign off on just about anything lawmakers toss his way, but they prefer being able to say "he probably won't sign it so
    we're not wasting our time."

    There will plenty of Trumps that will be available to run by the year 2024

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Lee Lofaso on Wednesday, July 17, 2019 21:59:23
    On 17 Jul 2019, Lee Lofaso said the following...

    Donald Trump Jr has met with Russians at Trump Tower. This
    was a scandal, but not necessarily a crime. Even though it is
    known that several Russians were involved in trying to disrupt
    our elections.

    What the story is: The Russian babe Natalia Veselnitskaya was said to have
    dirt on Hillary, but when they met at Trump tower all she wanted to talk about was about a Russian Adoption from a Russian orphanage of which is clearly not dirt on Hillary Clinton.

    Source Factcheck.org https://www.factcheck.org/2018/06/a-timeline-of-trump-tower-meeting-responses/

    July 8, 2017 The New York Times reports on the Trump campaign meeting with Veselnitskaya, who was described by the paper as a Russian lawyer who has connections to the Kremlin. Donald Trump Jr., in a statement to the Times, downplays the meeting, saying that the participants primarily discussed a program about the adoption of Russian children. The statement makes no mention that he was promised damaging information about Clinton.

    July 9, 2017 In a second story, the Times reports that Donald Trump Jr. was promised damaging information about Hillary Clinton before agreeing to meet with a Kremlin-connected Russian lawyer during the 2016 campaign. The president's son issued a second statement that, in part, read: [T]he woman stated that she had information that individuals connected to Russia were funding the Democratic National Committee and supporting Mrs. Clinton, Trump Jr.s statement read. Her statements were vague, ambiguous and made no sense. No details or supporting information was
    provided or even offered.

    Are you okay with a racist president, Republicans?
    I'm not. And most Americans aren't either. I condemn
    his words of hate, as should everybody. Regardless of
    political affiliation (or non-affiliation).

    In my opinion this entire thing is being blown out of proportion.
    Why? because they are using 'this issue' as just another means to go after Trump, mark my words it will backfire on them...

    You got it all wrong, The President said nothing wrong what so ever.

    or

    Did you forget what the so called Squad as said repeatedly w/ their anti-American & anti-Semitic comments. There is no doubt in my mind that the President loves this country deeply, it is why he ran for office.

    What he said was not racist in any way, as he did not call them name or call out their race signally or as group.

    What is very clear is that repeated statements each member of the squad show very clearly that they have no love or respect for America.

    Personally I do not believe these any of these 4 women
    represent anything American, their views are anti-Semitic and are infact
    inline more with Palestinian views.

    Want more proof.
    Rashida Tlaib is Still Posing in Photos With Alleged Anti-Semite and Fundraiser Abdel-qader
    https://www.mrctv.org/blog/rashida-tlaib-poses

    Jihad Rep. Rashida Tlaib's Big Lie: Falsely Claims Palestinians Gave Jews a Safe Haven After Holocaust https://freedomoutpost.com/jihad-rep-rashida-tlaibs-big-lie-falsely-claims-pale stinians-gave-jews-safe-haven-after-holocaust/

    You want to let these 4 rip the country apart over nasty comments that
    are clearly are not American.

    Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
    Ilhan Omar
    Ayanna Pressley
    Rashida Tlaib

    To be honest they are not worth it, No they do not need to home.
    They the need to rocketed into space and straight into the Sun.

    No one can forget (you might want to) - or claim she never said that, but it
    is true. Impeach the motherf*cker comments made by the nasty bit*h Rashida Tlaib when her job was only hours new.

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/07/ten-questions-for-the-squad/

    Clearly the Dems, want to turn this into impeaching party. It's simple folks if these nasty bit*hes didn't open their freakin mouths then we would not be here right now!

    (You don't get to say these nasty Un-American when you work for the Government and not expect a reaction from the President of the United States.

    I recently sent a tweet of my own.
    "@SpeakerPelosi @realDonaldTrump This squad will turn the Democratic Party
    into a circus, worse then ever b4 Very hateful anti-American, & anti-Semitic comments. Mr. Trump is correct, They don't love our Country!
    We who are, Patriots stand with you, Mr. President Like a Rock!!"

    Encouraging Germany to make a deal to buy natural gas from Russia
    has certainly made America great again. Not only will Germany be dependent on Russia for natural gas, but so will the rest of Europe,
    as those countries will be dependent on Germany to deliver the same natural gas it gets from Russia. See how that works?

    Wrong Again- you got this ass backwards.
    Donald Trump suggested to the German Chancellor, that he thought that it was a bad idea, because of being dependent to Russia.

    The Chinese have a saying -
    "There can only be one sun that rules the sky."
    Similar to the Japanese - The sun will never set upon the Empire.

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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to Lee Lofaso on Thursday, July 18, 2019 00:48:24
    Senator Klobuchar has a bill for him to sign, assuming she can get
    the Grim Reaper to go along.

    If she's willing to compromise, I'm sure she could obtain Trump's vote on her affordable abortion bill. The Grim Reaper will be happy too.

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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to Gregory Deyss on Thursday, July 18, 2019 00:50:14
    There will plenty of Trumps that will be available to run by the year
    2024

    I hope Kanye runs! Because then it will be racist for liberals not to vote
    for him.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to aaron thomas on Thursday, July 18, 2019 06:41:55
    On 18 Jul 2019, aaron thomas said the following...

    There will plenty of Trumps that will be available to run by the year 2024

    I hope Kanye runs! Because then it will be racist for liberals not to
    vote for him.
    Right.
    All this hysteria over Trump be accused of being a racist with his Go Home twitter remarks. Which was not racist at all.

    It was the right and equal to counter the comments that were very anti-American as well as anti-Semitic and have been going on for quite some time.

    You know why they are all attacking Trump?
    It's the Democrat thing to do. There is always over the top outrage
    (which is by design) in hopes it spark a reaction and stick so they will have political power) They have been trying to get him out since the day he was elected. Democrats will never admit to this but they are still outraged as well as embarrassed that they lost when just about every poll indicated they Hillary was going to win the Presidency.

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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to Gregory Deyss on Thursday, July 18, 2019 23:05:44
    You know why they are all attacking Trump?
    It's the Democrat thing to do. There is always over the top outrage

    They do it to other Republicans too.

    The best way to solve that issue would be to elect hybrid officials who are willing to compromise their liberalism or their conservativism. I know it
    would seem terrible for a president to ignore North Korea while signing a gay marriage bill, because we've seen that happen, but as long as that president handles the North Korea issue after he's done signing whiny stuff, then that would be good enough for me I guess.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to aaron thomas on Friday, July 19, 2019 07:22:21
    On 18 Jul 2019, aaron thomas said the following...

    You know why they are all attacking Trump?
    It's the Democrat thing to do. There is always over the top outrage

    They do it to other Republicans too.

    What do you mean?

    The best way to solve that issue would be to elect hybrid officials who are willing to compromise their liberalism or their conservativism.

    They are different thinkers and they do not look at America in the same
    way.

    The left is becoming unhinged with their hate, AOC talking about Nazi concentration camps at the border, migrants drinking out of toilets, and the rest of the anti-American, anti-Semitic comments as well as the unwillingness to walk ANY of those comments back. That within in itself proving "The Donald" correct and is not doing themselves or the Nation any favors. These things are what they truly believe. In my opinion they have no business in politics or even in the country. They would be happier someplace else, and so would much
    of the Nation's population who are Patriots. All of this is just adding to the fuel that will propel Donald Trump to winning again in November of 2020.

    Even before the recent outlandish rage from the squad, Mr. Trump has been at work making America Great again, under his leadership the Nation is
    enjoying lower taxes, better trade deals, breaking records in the stock market and with unemployment. What's the problem with any of that?

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Gregory Deyss on Friday, July 19, 2019 14:20:24
    On 2019 Jul 19 07:22:20, you wrote to aaron thomas:

    The left is becoming unhinged with their hate, AOC talking about Nazi concentration camps at the border, migrants drinking out of toilets, and the rest of the anti-American, anti-Semitic comments as well as the unwillingness to walk ANY of those comments back.

    wait, what?!? are you really saying tht having concentration camps is being an American? not giving people in those camps water and making them drink from the
    toilets is being American? are you really that much of a scum-sucking garbage human?????

    )\/(ark

    And to this end they built themselves a stupendous super-computer which was so amazingly intelligent that even before its data banks had been connected up it had started from "I think therefore I am" and got as far as deducing the existence of rice pudding and income tax before anyone managed to turn it off.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gregory Deyss on Saturday, July 20, 2019 01:55:34
    Hello Greg,

    Donald Trump Jr has met with Russians at Trump Tower. This
    was a scandal, but not necessarily a crime. Even though it is
    known that several Russians were involved in trying to disrupt
    our elections.

    What the story is: The Russian babe Natalia Veselnitskaya was said to have >dirt on Hillary, but when they met at Trump tower all she wanted to talk
    about was about a Russian Adoption from a Russian orphanage of which is dclearly not irt on Hillary Clinton.

    Source Factcheck.org >https://www.factcheck.org/2018/06/a-timeline-of-trump-tower-meeting-responses/


    The real story can be found in the Mueller report.
    Have you read it yet?

    July 8, 2017 The New York Times reports on the Trump campaign meeting with >Veselnitskaya, who was described by the paper as a Russian lawyer who has >connections to the Kremlin. Donald Trump Jr., in a statement to the Times, >downplays the meeting, saying that the participants primarily discussed a >program about the adoption of Russian children. The statement makes no
    mention that he was promised damaging information about Clinton.

    The NYT is not the Mueller report. Want to try again?

    July 9, 2017 In a second story, the Times reports that Donald Trump Jr. was >promised damaging information about Hillary Clinton before agreeing to meet >with a Kremlin-connected Russian lawyer during the 2016 campaign. The >president's son issued a second statement that, in part, read: [T]he woman >stated that she had information that individuals connected to Russia were >funding the Democratic National Committee and supporting Mrs. Clinton, Trump >Jr.s statement read. Her statements were vague, ambiguous and made no sense.
    No details or supporting information was provided or even offered.

    The NYT article is not the Mueller report. Nor is it any kind of investigation. It is simply a newspaper article. Nothing more,
    nothing less. Journalists slant their stories in order to appeal
    to a particular audience. Editors oversee those stories and decide
    which ones, or how much of an article, to publish.

    Are you okay with a racist president, Republicans?
    I'm not. And most Americans aren't either. I condemn
    his words of hate, as should everybody. Regardless of
    political affiliation (or non-affiliation).

    In my opinion this entire thing is being blown out of proportion.

    Of course it is. That is why it is called politics.
    But it does not change the facts. The president said
    what he said. And what he said was clearly racist.

    Why? because they are using 'this issue' as just another means to go after
    Trump, mark my words it will backfire on them...

    Most women and independents are appalled by the president's choice
    of words. So it is not really a question of party affiliation, or
    even about personalities. What the president said was objectionable
    to many people, especially women and people of color, but also
    others.

    You got it all wrong, The President said nothing wrong what so ever.

    Racism has no place in this country. When a president makes
    racist comments, he/she will be called out on it. As Trump found
    out the hard way.

    or

    Did you forget what the so called Squad as said repeatedly w/ their >anti-American & anti-Semitic comments. There is no doubt in my mind that the
    President loves this country deeply, it is why he ran for office.

    I do not care if all four of those women are full-blown socialists
    and hold beliefs you and others might not agree with. They are all
    women and people of color, as well as being US citizens. That makes
    them as American as you and me.

    What the president said about them was vile, mean, and hateful.
    He should be ashamed of himself, as well as others who continue to
    support him. He has never apologized, and I doubt he ever will.

    George Wallace was also a racist. A white racist who gave speeches
    written by a member of the Ku Klux Klan. Although he never uttered
    the "N" word in public, his use of a wink and a nod said it all.

    But at least George Wallace apologized for his antics. And went
    on to serve a fourth term as governor of the state of Alabama.

    Will black folks and people of color forgive President Trump for
    his antics, as they did George Wallace? I am sure Kanye West already
    has, even without an apology. But I doubt anybody else will.

    What he said was not racist in any way, as he did not call them name or call
    out their race signally or as group.

    Just because George Wallace never said the "N" word in public
    does not mean he was not a racist. His policies certainly reflect
    who he really was. Just as Trump's policies reflect who he really
    is. A bona fide racist.

    What is very clear is that repeated statements each member of the squad show
    very clearly that they have no love or respect for America.

    In America, people have the freedom to think whatever they want.
    In America, people have the freedom to express whatever they want.
    In America, people have the freedom to believe whatever they want.

    That does not mean that racism has any place in this country.
    There is absolutely no excuse for what the president said.
    None whatsoever.

    I do not agree with everything that anybody says, much less a member
    of Congress. And these four women are all US citizens, with the same
    rights as you and me.

    The president clearly singled them out because they are black, or
    people of color. He is playing to a crowd of white people, who believe
    in him as their god. As such, he can do no wrong, as he is the one
    who will grant them salvation from the evils that are before them.

    Personally I do not believe these any of these 4 women represent anything
    American, their views are anti-Semitic and are infact
    inline more with Palestinian views.

    Everyone deserves to be treated with human dignity, regardless of
    the color of their skin. That is why racism has no part in this
    country. It is not who we are, or what we stand for. As such, we
    should all condemn the racist words spoken by a racist president.
    Because that is exactly what they are. Racist.

    Want more proof.
    Rashida Tlaib is Still Posing in Photos With Alleged Anti-Semite and
    Fundraiser
    Abdel-qader
    https://www.mrctv.org/blog/rashida-tlaib-poses

    Jihad Rep. Rashida Tlaib's Big Lie: Falsely Claims Palestinians Gave Jews a >Safe Haven After Holocaust >https://freedomoutpost.com/jihad-rep-rashida-tlaibs-big-lie-falsely-claims-pal e
    stinians-gave-jews-safe-haven-after-holocaust/

    You want to let these 4 rip the country apart over nasty comments that
    are clearly are not American.

    Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
    Ilhan Omar
    Ayanna Pressley
    Rashida Tlaib

    All four women are US citizens. As American as you and me.
    Whether one agrees, or disagrees, with their views is irrelevant.
    What the president said about them is clearly racist.
    We should all condemn him for his racist comments.

    To be honest they are not worth it, No they do not need to home.
    They the need to rocketed into space and straight into the Sun.

    Nobody is saying that you, or anybody else, has to agree with a
    single word they say. The president was wrong, and should at the
    very least apologize for his racist comments. He has already been
    condemned by the House of Representatives as a racist president,
    so he might as well. And then shut up and hope it all goes away.

    No one can forget (you might want to) - or claim she never said that, but it >is true. Impeach the motherf*cker comments made by the nasty bit*h Rashida >Tlaib when her job was only hours new.

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/07/ten-questions-for-the-squad/


    Well, he is a motherf*cker as he remains married to the mother
    of one of his kids. Assuming the two of them sleep in the same
    bedroom (some Europeans claim they have separate quarters).

    Clearly the Dems, want to turn this into impeaching party.

    Not really. One Democrat got carried away and introduced articles
    of impeachment based on the president's tweets. But that effort did
    not go too well with other Democrats and it was tabled with no vote
    taken on the matter. This was his third try to get Trump removed
    from office, without success.

    It's simple folks if these nasty bit*hes didn't open their freakin mouths
    then we would not be here right now!

    If the president had not made those racist comments then he would
    not be in the fine mess he is in now.

    (You don't get to say these nasty Un-American when you work for the
    Government and not expect a reaction from the President of the United
    States.

    Vladimir Putin had members of Pussy Riot put in prison for what
    they said about him. Do we want the POTUS putting American citizens
    in prison because he does not like what they say about him?

    I recently sent a tweet of my own.
    "@SpeakerPelosi @realDonaldTrump This squad will turn the Democratic Party >into a circus, worse then ever b4 Very hateful anti-American, & anti-Semitic >comments. Mr. Trump is correct, They don't love our Country!
    We who are, Patriots stand with you, Mr. President Like a Rock!!"

    Who cares if an American citizen does not love his/her own country?
    It is his/her right to freely express themselves, even if that speech
    is very offensive to some, or to all.

    Racism has no part in this country. When a president makes such
    vile comments, he/she will be called out on it. As Trump found out.

    Encouraging Germany to make a deal to buy natural gas from Russia
    has certainly made America great again. Not only will Germany be >LL>dependent on Russia for natural gas, but so will the rest of Europe,
    as those countries will be dependent on Germany to deliver the same >LL>natural gas it gets from Russia. See how that works?

    Wrong Again- you got this ass backwards.

    After Germany and Russia made a deal to build a natural gas pipeline,
    Trump criticized Germany for not agreeing to buy natural gas from the
    US. As if Trump had ever offered Germany any kind of deal.

    Donald Trump suggested to the German Chancellor, that he thought that it was
    a bad idea, because of being dependent to Russia.

    It is a bad idea. And worse, when you think it out further.
    Which explains why England chose Brexit over the EU. With Germany
    dependent on Russia for keeping their houses warm in winter, and
    the rest of Europe dependent on Germany for keeping their houses
    warm in winter, what do you think will happen when Russia turns
    off the tap to Germany? Lights out in Ukraine, hello Russian
    soldiers. Lights out in Poland, hello Russian soldiers. Lights
    out in the Baltics, hello Russian soldiers. Just like old times.

    The Chinese have a saying -
    "There can only be one sun that rules the sky."

    Similar to the Japanese - The sun will never set upon the Empire.

    Right now, the US is the sun that rules the sky.
    China wants to become the new sun that rules the sky.

    "There can be only one!" ~from Highlander

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to aaron thomas on Saturday, July 20, 2019 01:55:46
    Hello Aaron,

    Senator Klobuchar has a bill for him to sign, assuming she can get
    the Grim Reaper to go along.

    If she's willing to compromise, I'm sure she could obtain Trump's vote on
    her affordable abortion bill. The Grim Reaper will be happy too.

    Compromise? Wazzat?

    --Lee

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to mark lewis on Friday, July 19, 2019 18:58:14
    On 19 Jul 2019, mark lewis said the following...


    On 2019 Jul 19 07:22:20, you wrote to aaron thomas:

    The left is becoming unhinged with their hate, AOC talking about Nazi concentration camps at the border, migrants drinking out of toilets, the rest of the anti-American, anti-Semitic comments as well as the unwillingness to walk ANY of those comments back.

    wait, what?!? are you really saying tht having concentration camps is being an American? not giving people in those camps water and making
    them drink from the toilets is being American? are you really that much
    of a scum-sucking garbage human?????

    No that is NOT at all what I am saying.. Not even remotely, nor would I ever condone or want these things for migrants.

    What I said was...

    The left is becoming unhinged with their hate, AOC talking about Nazi concentration camps at the border, migrants drinking out of toilets, the rest of the anti-American, anti-Semitic comments as well as the unwillingness to walk ANY of those comments back.

    Meaning that... What this *nutcase* AOC is indicating as fact, she is also indicating as fact that migrants are drinking out of toilets.

    Now let's take a look at what the REAL facts are.

    There is no concentration camps at the U.S. / Mexico border, nor
    do they exist anywhere on the planet by the U.S. Government or sanctioned or allowed to exist by the Trump Administration. Migrants are not as a individuals or as a group / are NOT drinking water out of toilets.

    They each had an opportunity to walk back comments as they were interviewed
    by CBS News comments that were and still are anti-American & anti-Semitic, they chose not to walk any of their comments back.

    Conclusion
    If the Democratic Party wants to have Alexandria Ocasio Cortez as the face and voice of the Democratic Party, I have no objection.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Lee Lofaso on Friday, July 19, 2019 19:43:48
    The NYT article is not the Mueller report. Nor is it any kind of investigation. It is simply a newspaper article. Nothing more,
    nothing less. Journalists slant their stories in order to appeal
    to a particular audience. Editors oversee those stories and decide
    which ones, or how much of an article, to publish.

    Trust me The New York Times would be the last publication in the United
    States to write a positive slant about the President or his family.

    In America, people have the freedom to think whatever they want.
    In America, people have the freedom to express whatever they want.
    In America, people have the freedom to believe whatever they want.

    Your above statement about In America also fully applies to the
    President of the United States.


    That does not mean that racism has any place in this country.
    There is absolutely no excuse for what the president said.
    None whatsoever.

    Race, Race, Race?
    but people of color play the race card when it is convenient for them to do so.oh I see that's different somehow. NOT!
    The Donald did not mention color as in describing their nationality, he did
    not mention race, um gee not racist. Some of his cabinet members are African-American none of them think he is racist.

    I do not agree with everything that anybody says, much less a member
    of Congress. And these four women are all US citizens, with the same rights as you and me.

    The president clearly singled them out because they are black, or
    people of color. He is playing to a crowd of white people, who believe
    in him as their god. As such, he can do no wrong, as he is the one
    who will grant them salvation from the evils that are before them.

    The only squad that I am interested in is One Squad under God.

    Wrong Again- you got this ass backwards.

    After Germany and Russia made a deal to build a natural gas pipeline, Trump criticized Germany for not agreeing to buy natural gas from the
    US. As if Trump had ever offered Germany any kind of deal.

    Donald Trump suggested to the German Chancellor, that he thought that it
    a bad idea, because of being dependent to Russia.

    So we clear that Donald Trump did not
    Encourage Germany to make a deal to buy natural gas from Russia.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Saturday, July 20, 2019 01:09:00
    On 07-19-19 18:58, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Mark Lewis about Re: War or Planefuls of <=-

    The left is becoming unhinged with their hate, AOC talking about Nazi concentration camps at the border,

    I do not know exactly what she might have said, nor what any one of the
    media outlets claim that she said -- but what I have observed from
    reporting on multiple outlets is that while the conditions under which
    the migrants are being held are not as dire as the Nazi concentration
    camps, they are quite bad. In fact, far worse than the camps where the
    USA confined Japanese-Americans in the 1940's.

    migrants drinking out of toilets,

    AOC may well have said something like that -- and so have other
    observers included members of Congress. It was reported that in some of
    the sites visited, there was no running water and that the migrants were
    told by the guards to drink out of the toilets. I've seen nothing
    disclaiming those reports.

    They each had an opportunity to walk back comments as they were interviewed by CBS News comments that were and still are anti-American
    & anti-Semitic, they
    chose not to walk any of their comments back.

    It is not anti-American to express criticism of government practices in
    the USA. That condition only exists in countries on Trump's favorites
    list like Russia and North Korea.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Gerhard Strangar@2:240/2188.575 to Lee Lofaso on Saturday, July 20, 2019 12:02:47
    Am 20 Jul 19 01:55:34 schrob Lee Lofaso an Gregory Deyss zum Thema
    <War or Planefuls of>

    In America, people have the freedom to express whatever they want.

    ... unless it's on the radio, on TV, in newspapers, ...
    In the press fredom index 2018, the USA are number 45, that's worse than South Korea and Romania.

    After Germany and Russia made a deal to build a natural gas
    pipeline, Trump criticized Germany for not agreeing to buy
    natural gas from the US. As if Trump had ever offered Germany
    any kind of deal.

    I remember a video where he asked Merkel three times if she wants to make a trade agreement with the US. And she told him three times that Germany cannot negotiate in its own, he needs to make an agreement with the whole EU, because it's a single market. :-)

    Donald Trump suggested to the German Chancellor, that he thought
    that it was a bad idea, because of being dependent to Russia.
    It is a bad idea. And worse, when you think it out further.

    Don,'t think further, get some facts straight, first. The new pipeline is in addition to those that have been used for decades. Currently every pipeline being used is either using Belarus or the Ukraine for transit. Nordstream as well as South Stream would bypass 3rd-party countries and directly connect the EU to Russia. The Ukraine usually is "a bit behind schedule" when it comes to paying gas bills, so Russia is looking for a way of prividing gas to the ones who pay, but not to the Ukraine, which means it needs a new pipeline. Because whenever they shut the pipeline to the Ukraine down, the EU got their gas from somewhere else. And of course, for the EU it's better to have a reliable source, so the idea is to bypass the Ukraine.

    Which explains why England chose Brexit over the EU.

    England voted for Brexit because they cast the votes without thinking about the
    consequences. Moreover, England does have very little oil and gas, it's Schottland that has it. Once Brexit is complete, Schottland may join the EU on its own and England will then have to import natural gas and oil from the EU.

    With
    Germany dependent on Russia for keeping their houses warm in
    winter,

    Not really. The Netherlands and Denmark have no problem compensating for Russia
    shutting down the pipeline.

    and the rest of Europe dependent on Germany for keeping
    their houses warm in winter, what do you think will happen when
    Russia turns off the tap to Germany? Lights out in Ukraine,
    hello Russian soldiers. Lights out in Poland, hello Russian
    soldiers. Lights out in the Baltics, hello Russian soldiers.
    Just like old times.

    Poland joined the NATO in 1999, the Baltics in 2004. I don't think Russia is considering invading NATO members to be a clever move.


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    Gerhard
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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Saturday, July 20, 2019 07:42:38
    On 20 Jul 2019, Dale Shipp said the following...

    On 07-19-19 18:58, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Mark Lewis about Re: War or Planefuls of <=-

    The left is becoming unhinged with their hate, AOC talking about Nazi concentration camps at the border,

    I do not know exactly what she might have said, nor what any one of the media outlets claim that she said -- but what I have observed from reporting on multiple outlets is that while the conditions under which
    the migrants are being held are not as dire as the Nazi concentration camps, they are quite bad. In fact, far worse than the camps where the USA confined Japanese-Americans in the 1940's.

    Not as dire as Nazi concentration camps?
    They are NOTHING like Nazi concentration camps, migrants are not being transported by train then murdered in gas chambers, Nor are they working in slave labor camps.

    The Democrats could fix this in 10 minutes if they would sit down with the President. They refuse to do so, they would rather exploit them for political gain.

    I doubt that these facilities of today could be compared to the camps in the 1940's. Today's facilities issues are caused by over crowding because of the number of people who were caught. No one asked for them to come here.

    AOC may well have said something like that -- and so have other
    observers included members of Congress. It was reported that in some of the sites visited, there was no running water and that the migrants were told by the guards to drink out of the toilets. I've seen nothing disclaiming those reports.

    so wait, let me get this straight you have to see news reports or experience other media to learn these alleged reports are erroneous, what about common sense, when does that kick in?

    Bottled water is available. Guards are putting thousands on their credit
    cards because they are running out of things like diapers.

    It is not anti-American to express criticism of government practices in the USA.

    You should learn the difference between criticism of government and when it crosses the line into becoming anti-American.

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Gregory Deyss on Saturday, July 20, 2019 19:31:56
    On 2019 Jul 20 07:42:38, you wrote to Dale Shipp:

    migrants are not being transported by train

    that's not part of concentration camps... not part of the discussion...

    then murdered in gas chambers,

    those were at the death camps... not part of the discussion...

    Nor are they working in slave labor camps.

    also not concentration camps... not part of the discussion...

    The Democrats could fix this in 10 minutes if they would sit down with
    the President. They refuse to do so, they would rather exploit them
    for political gain.

    the republicans could have fixed it 2 or 3 years ago!

    I doubt that these facilities of today could be compared to the camps
    in the 1940's. Today's facilities issues are caused by over crowding because of the number of people who were caught. No one asked for them
    to come here.

    no one asked for you to come here, either...

    8 U.S. Code: 1158 Asylum.
    "Any alien who is present in the US or arrives in the US (whether or not at a designated port of arrival...), irrespective of such alien's status, may apply for asylum."



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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Sunday, July 21, 2019 01:17:00
    On 07-20-19 07:42, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: War or Planefuls of <=-
    AOC may well have said something like that -- and so have other
    observers included members of Congress. It was reported that in some of the sites visited, there was no running water and that the migrants were told by the guards to drink out of the toilets. I've seen nothing disclaiming those reports.

    so wait, let me get this straight you have to see news reports or experience other media to learn these alleged reports are erroneous,
    what about common sense, when does that kick in?

    A. They are not "alleged" reports. They are reports of direct
    observations by multiple people based on what they saw and were told by
    the guards.
    B. My common sense about what travesty to believe went out the window
    about two and one half years ago.

    Bottled water is available. Guards are putting thousands on their
    credit cards because they are running out of things like diapers.

    If that is true, it is criminal neglect on the part of the
    administration for not fixing the problem and forcing the guards pay out
    of their own pockets. It should not fall to the guards to do that, it
    should be done by the administration.

    It is not anti-American to express criticism of government practices in the USA.

    You should learn the difference between criticism of government and
    when it crosses the line into becoming anti-American.

    So should you.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to mark lewis on Sunday, July 21, 2019 08:20:57
    On 20 Jul 2019, mark lewis said the following...

    On 2019 Jul 20 07:42:38, you wrote to Dale Shipp:

    migrants are not being transported by train
    that's not part of concentration camps... not part of the discussion...
    then murdered in gas chambers,
    those were at the death camps... not part of the discussion...
    Nor are they working in slave labor camps.
    also not concentration camps... not part of the discussion...

    You can dodge and weave all you want - it matters not, to deny it, truth is the lunatic known as AOC said that there were concentration camps on the U.S. / Mexico border. They do not exist.

    All of the elements that I have indicated were indeed in parts of Nazi concentration camps. Auschwitz, Belzec, Chelmno, Majdanek, Sobibor, and Treblinka. At its peak, the Auschwitz complex, the most notorious of the
    sites, housed 100,000 persons at its death camp (Auschwitz II, or Birkenau).

    (point one)
    As far as it 'not part of the discussion.'
    It is relevant and necessary to the conversation because there are no concentration camps like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez said there was.
    It was and still is a absurd and outrageous statement, and I shall exploit it for being as such.

    Maybe *she* should "go home" to Puerto Rico, it is a mess right now and they could really use her talents.

    The Democrats could fix this in 10 minutes if they would sit down wit
    the President. They refuse to do so, they would rather exploit them for political gain.

    the republicans could have fixed it 2 or 3 years ago!

    Obama was the President for 8 years, From January 20, 2009 to January
    20, 2017 and did nothing about this either.

    I doubt that these facilities of today could be compared to the camps in the 1940's. Today's facilities issues are caused by over crowding because of the number of people who were caught. No one asked for the to come here.

    no one asked for you to come here, either...

    I am not a immigrant, I am a American citizen, born in Troy, New York.
    Maybe you have heard of it, once or twice?
    Home of Uncle Sam, yeah that place.

    8 U.S. Code: 1158 Asylum.
    "Any alien who is present in the US or arrives in the US (whether or not at a designated port of arrival...), irrespective of such alien's
    status, may apply for asylum."

    It is not that simple as you have indicated or nearly as correct as you are showing.

    To establish eligibility for asylum or refugee status under U.S. law
    (8 U.S.C. 1158), you must prove that you meet the definition of a refugee (under 8 U.S.C. 1101).

    In brief, this means showing that you are either the victim of past
    persecution or you have a well-founded fear of future persecution. In the
    case of past persecution, you must prove that you were persecuted in your
    home country or last country of residence.

    The persecution must have been based on at least one of five grounds, either your:

    race
    religion
    nationality
    political opinion, or
    membership in a particular social group.

    Proving this connection between the persecution and one of these five grounds is one of the most difficult parts of successfully applying for asylee or refugee status especially because you must show that one of the five grounds was or will be a central reason for your persecution.
    etc.

    (point two)
    not part of the discussion, you are gatekeeper of nothing.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Sunday, July 21, 2019 09:15:28
    On 21 Jul 2019, Dale Shipp said the following...

    so wait, let me get this straight you have to see news reports or experience other media to learn these alleged reports are erroneous, what about common sense, when does that kick in?

    A. They are not "alleged" reports. They are reports of direct observations by multiple people based on what they saw and were told by the guards.

    They are lies designed to drive a wedge and nothing more.

    If that is true, it is criminal neglect on the part of the
    administration for not fixing the problem and forcing the guards pay out of their own pockets. It should not fall to the guards to do that, it should be done by the administration.

    The executive branch does not make laws.

    You should learn the difference between criticism of government and when it crosses the line into becoming anti-American.

    So should you.

    No need for me to do anything for I already know when I hear such
    statements, I deem them as anti-American.
    You know how I can make this determination accurately as well as instantly?

    I am not with the party that thrives on misery and one that needs outrage
    as if it were a life-jacket.

    Spock
    "I object to intellect with discipline; I object to power with constructive purpose."

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Monday, July 22, 2019 02:38:00
    On 07-21-19 09:15, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: War or Planefuls of <=-

    A. They are not "alleged" reports. They are reports of direct observations by multiple people based on what they saw and were told by the guards.

    They are lies designed to drive a wedge and nothing more.

    How do you know that they are lies? What direct evidence for that
    statement have you seen. I have seen the videos and photographs which
    depict the deplorable conditions as observed by our American
    representatives. I have no reason to believe that they are telling
    lies.

    If that is true, it is criminal neglect on the part of the
    administration for not fixing the problem and forcing the guards pay out of their own pockets. It should not fall to the guards to do that, it should be done by the administration.

    The executive branch does not make laws.

    The administration develops and enforces the policies that have created
    the situation. They should take care of it. No law is needed, just some
    small amount of human decency and a sense of right and wrong.

    So should you.

    No need for me to do anything for I already know when I hear such statements, I deem them as anti-American.

    It is not anti-American to disagree with unjust policy.

    You know how I can make this determination accurately as well as instantly?
    I am not with the party that thrives on misery and one that needs
    outrage as if it were a life-jacket.

    It would seem that you are with the party that causes that misery and
    outrage.


    Spock
    "I object to intellect with discipline; I object to power with constructive purpose."

    I cannot believe that is an accurate quote. Spock was all about
    intellectual discipline and logic. And he was certainly not about power
    with disruptive purpose.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gerhard Strangar on Monday, July 22, 2019 06:50:13
    Hello Gerhard,

    In America, people have the freedom to express whatever they want.

    .. unless it's on the radio, on TV, in newspapers, ...
    In the press fredom index 2018, the USA are number 45, that's worse than
    South Korea and Romania.

    The same index 2019 shows the USA at number 48. Germany is much
    higher, and had it not been for what happened so many decades ago,
    would probably be giving the top three (Norway, Finland, Sweden)
    a run for their money.

    After Germany and Russia made a deal to build a natural gas
    pipeline, Trump criticized Germany for not agreeing to buy
    natural gas from the US. As if Trump had ever offered Germany
    any kind of deal.

    I remember a video where he asked Merkel three times if she wants to make a
    trade agreement with the US. And she told him three times that Germany
    cannot negotiate in its own, he needs to make an agreement with the whole
    EU, because it's a single market. :-)

    That is a concept that may be above Trump's pay grade. :)

    Donald Trump suggested to the German Chancellor, that he thought
    that it was a bad idea, because of being dependent to Russia.
    It is a bad idea. And worse, when you think it out further.

    Don,'t think further, get some facts straight, first.

    Defending Donald Trump's POV is not easy. But somebody has to do it.
    Or at least try.

    The new pipeline is in addition to those that have been used for decades.

    Why the need for a new pipeline when there are others working now?

    Currently every pipeline being used is either using Belarus or the Ukraine
    for transit.

    Both Belarus and Ukraine border Russia. Where is the problem?

    Nordstream as well as South Stream would bypass 3rd-party countries and
    directly connect the EU to Russia.

    Directly connect Germany to Russia. Not necessarily EU to Russia.

    The Ukraine usually is "a bit behind schedule" when it comes to paying gas
    bills, so Russia is looking for a way of prividing gas to the ones who pay, but not to the Ukraine, which means it needs a new pipeline.

    Why not just shut off the flow of natural gas to Ukraine? Wouldn't
    that be the easiest way to collect on delinquint accounts? No need
    to build a new pipeline ...

    Because whenever they shut the pipeline to the Ukraine down, the EU got
    their gas from somewhere else.

    I do not believe Ukrainians like to freeze in wintertime. Better
    to pay the piper rather than become frozen popsicle.

    And of course, for the EU it's better to have a reliable source, so the idea
    is to bypass the Ukraine.

    Germans quite warm in wintertime, thanks to natural gas flowing
    in from wherever it comes from. Not sure Germans really cares where
    it comes from. If Ukraine was not reliable, as Russia suggests,
    then others most certainly would have noticed.

    I think Russia is not being totally honest about this.

    In 2014 Russia decided to invade Ukraine, illegally annexing
    Crimea as part of Russia. As a result, the US and EU imposed
    sanctions on Russia. These sanctions have cost Russia over
    $50 billion since then. In order to make up for the loss of
    revenue, Russia has to find new sources. Hence, selling
    natural gas to Germany. At bargain prices, of course.

    Since Ukraine will no longer be needed to transport natural gas
    to Germany, Russia will slowly but surly force Ukraine to give up
    more territory. Or take it outright, just as it did with Crimea.

    Which explains why England chose Brexit over the EU.

    England voted for Brexit because they cast the votes without thinking about
    the consequences.

    England knew full well what it was/is doing. It is going back
    to the days before. England vs The Continent. That is the way
    things were before WWII. It was only after the events of WWII
    that Bretton Wood came about. That has all become unraveled.

    Moreover, England does have very little oil and gas, it's Schottland that
    has it.

    Once the English install their new PM (most likely Boris Johnson),
    a new referendum will be passed, and Schottland will rise again.

    Once Brexit is complete, Schottland may join the EU on its own and England
    will then have to import natural gas and oil from the EU.

    This year will probably be the last The Open will ever be played
    in Ireland, as the northern part melts into the hole.

    With
    Germany dependent on Russia for keeping their houses warm in
    winter,

    Not really. The Netherlands and Denmark have no problem compensating for
    Russia shutting down the pipeline.

    Putin's daughter has been living with her Dutch boyfriend
    in the Netherlands. So he'd better be careful before shutting
    down the pipeline ...

    and the rest of Europe dependent on Germany for keeping
    their houses warm in winter, what do you think will happen when
    Russia turns off the tap to Germany? Lights out in Ukraine,
    hello Russian soldiers. Lights out in Poland, hello Russian
    soldiers. Lights out in the Baltics, hello Russian soldiers.
    Just like old times.

    Poland joined the NATO in 1999, the Baltics in 2004. I don't think Russia is
    considering invading NATO members to be a clever move.

    Article V of the NATO Charter has only been invoked one time -
    after the events of 9/11. Europe came to the aid of the US after
    it was attacked by a terrorist group known as al-Qaeda, by helping
    invade and maintain order in Afghanistan.

    In Kosovo, Europeans did nothing to stop ethnic cleansing by Serbia.
    The US had to act alone. This should have been a European problem
    to solve. Which it chose to ignore.

    NATO has become nothing more than an arm of the US military.
    That is what it is today. Not really a consortium of nations,
    working together, to defend the peace.

    Will NATO choose to directly confront Russian troops in the Baltics?
    Or in Poland? I doubt it. A new deal will be made. The leaders
    will smile for the cameras. And all will be well. Until next time.

    By weaponizing natural gas, Putin will be able to use that as
    leverage in order to get what he wants. Without having to resort
    to using Russian troops.

    Turn off the taps to Germany, nobody in the EU gets it either.

    England would not care, as it will not be part of the EU due
    to Brexit.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gregory Deyss on Monday, July 22, 2019 06:50:20
    Hello Greg,

    DS> GD> The left is becoming unhinged with their hate, AOC talking about Nazi
    DS> GD> concentration camps at the border,
    DS>
    DS> I do not know exactly what she might have said, nor what any one of
    the
    DS> media outlets claim that she said -- but what I have observed from
    DS> reporting on multiple outlets is that while the conditions under
    which
    DS> the migrants are being held are not as dire as the Nazi concentration
    DS> camps, they are quite bad. In fact, far worse than the camps where
    the
    DS> USA confined Japanese-Americans in the 1940's.

    Not as dire as Nazi concentration camps?

    Our guards spoke English rather than German.

    They are NOTHING like Nazi concentration camps,

    Our guards do not provide tattoo services ...

    migrants are not being transported by train then murdered in gas chambers,

    What we have are internment camps. A holding place, where nobody
    has any rights. A promise that a judge will hear their case is no
    guarantee for any of them will be able to stay.

    Nor are they working in slave labor camps.

    The conditions in these internment camps are dismal.

    The Democrats could fix this in 10 minutes if they would sit down with the >President. They refuse to do so, they would rather exploit them for
    political
    gain.

    The president created this mess. He can fix it by resigning from
    office. His sidekick, an evangelical Christian, will then know what
    to do ...

    I doubt that these facilities of today could be compared to the camps in the >1940's. Today's facilities issues are caused by over crowding because of the >number of people who were caught. No one asked for them to come here.

    We did not treat our own very well. Just because of the color of
    their skin. And that is the president's problem. He is a bona fide
    racist, and has blatantly exposed his views for all the world to see.
    He cannot explain any of this away, as there is no excuse for any of
    what he has done.

    "Hidden in Plain Sight: Japanese Internment in Louisiana", 64 Parishes,
    Summer 2019, pp. 26-33.

    DS> AOC may well have said something like that -- and so have other
    DS> observers included members of Congress. It was reported that in some of
    DS> the sites visited, there was no running water and that the migrants were
    DS> told by the guards to drink out of the toilets. I've seen nothing
    DS> disclaiming those reports.

    so wait, let me get this straight you have to see news reports or experience >other media to learn these alleged reports are erroneous, what about common >sense, when does that kick in?

    We know how we treated our own. That is something that all of us
    should be ashamed of. And yet, here we are, doing the very same thing.
    The only difference being rather than yellow, the skin of migrants is
    brown. And those four Congresswomen? All of them US citizens, and
    black, with one them being refugee from Somalia who is a naturalized
    US citizen.

    We have a president who is attacking US citizens and non-citizens
    alike, just because he does not like the color of their skin.

    That is what I call a racist. No different than George C. Wallace.

    No. I take that back. George C. Wallace was a far better man than
    what we have currently occupying the White House. After all, he did
    apologize to everybody for his antics, going on to win a fourth term
    as governor of Alabama.

    Bottled water is available.

    People die of heat stroke. Even people in their prime.
    An NFL player, age 32, keeled over from heat stroke the other
    day. And there was plenty of water available to him.

    The fact of the matter is these people are being held at
    various places under inhumane conditions. Some are force
    to spend their time in cages. Others denied cots or matts
    to sleep on, with only a concrete floor to lay their head.
    Without blankets.

    Guards are putting thousands on their credit cards because they are running
    out of things like diapers.

    The Congress provided all the funding that is needed. However,
    the president has misused his authority by choosing to re-allocate
    funding elsewhere, which the courts have ruled as unconstitutional.

    The president created this mess. The president can fix it.
    If he does not know how to do so, or want to do so, he should
    resign from office and let somebody else do the job.

    It is not anti-American to express criticism of government DS>practices
    in the USA.

    You should learn the difference between criticism of government and when it
    crosses the line into becoming anti-American.

    I don't mind calling the president a racist.
    I also don't mind if it hurts your feelings.

    --Lee

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Lee Lofaso on Monday, July 22, 2019 06:17:21
    The president created this mess. He can fix it by resigning from
    office. His sidekick, an evangelical Christian, will then know what
    to do ...

    The President did not create this mess, and you don't know what your talking about.

    I doubt that these facilities of today could be compared to the camps in >1940's. Today's facilities issues are caused by over crowding because of >number of people who were caught. No one asked for them to come here.
    We did not treat our own very well. Just because of the color of
    their skin.

    We were at War with Japan at the time. The radical idea of killing
    yourself by smashing your plane into the American ships, this was disturbing and was not seen before by the American's . The U.S. was protecting it's American citizens uncertain where the loyalty of the Japanese within the U.S. with their fellow American people or with the Japanese. Could they be they
    be trusted? Question of the day for the U.S. Government in those days.
    I am not condoning what was done to the Japanese-Americans. Nor do I support what was done.

    racist, and has blatantly exposed his views for all the world to see.
    He cannot explain any of this away, as there is no excuse for any of
    what he has done.

    Non-sense, you know what I see, bunch of people who want and very badly want
    to see the President in the way, they have been attacking him since day one. Truth is he never said ANYTHING about skin color.
    The democrats have been playing the RACE CARD when it suits them. It's worn
    out and tired and is also blatant, it also comes in many varieties such as nasty anti-American comments, that prove President is right about them.
    The democratic party needs misery and outrage, as we all need oxygen.

    People die of heat stroke. Even people in their prime.
    An NFL player, age 32, keeled over from heat stroke the other
    day. And there was plenty of water available to him.

    Yes I saw that. A previous member of the NY Giants.

    The president created this mess. The president can fix it.
    If he does not know how to do so, or want to do so, he should
    resign from office and let somebody else do the job.

    The President did not create this mess, but he did get Mexico to do more and
    in a very big way.

    I don't mind calling the president a racist.
    I also don't mind if it hurts your feelings.

    You are free to say these things, it does not make them factual.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Monday, July 22, 2019 06:40:37
    How do you know that they are lies? What direct evidence for that statement have you seen. I have seen the videos and photographs which depict the deplorable conditions as observed by our American representatives. I have no reason to believe that they are telling
    lies.

    You are free to believe whatever the American representatives are telling
    you, I choose not to. I am sure you are aware of the folk tale the boy who cried wolf.
    NO concentration camps
    NO one drinking out of toilets
    equals
    NO Trust in these American Representatives who by the way are Democrats

    It would seem that you are with the party that causes that misery and outrage.

    These are the laws on the books, Dale.
    The President is following the law. Obama deported more people then Trump. There are images on the internet that I could point out to you that are from Obama years which show conditions, people in cages. Where was the rage then.

    Spock
    "I object to intellect with discipline; I object to power with constructive purpose."

    I cannot believe that is an accurate quote. Spock was all about intellectual discipline and logic. And he was certainly not about power with disruptive purpose.

    True, just wanted to see if you were paying the attention.
    the correct quote is (along with another)

    I object to intellect without discipline; I object to power without constructive purpose.

    Here is another.
    Evil does seek to maintain power by suppressing the truth. Or by misleading
    the innocent.

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  • From Gerhard Strangar@2:240/2188.575 to Lee Lofaso on Monday, July 22, 2019 07:47:16
    Am 22 Jul 19 06:50:13 schrob Lee Lofaso an Gerhard Strangar zum Thema
    <War or Planefuls of>

    Currently every pipeline being used is either using Belarus or the
    Ukraine for transit.
    Both Belarus and Ukraine border Russia. Where is the problem?

    There's no wall between them. :-)

    The Ukraine usually is "a bit behind schedule" when it comes to paying
    gas bills, so Russia is looking for a way of prividing gas to the ones >>who pay, but not to the Ukraine, which means it needs a new pipeline.
    Why not just shut off the flow of natural gas to Ukraine? Wouldn't
    that be the easiest way to collect on delinquint accounts? No need
    to build a new pipeline ...

    Not selling the natural gas anymore isn't very business-minded. If your bordering countries can't pay, you sell it to someone who can.

    Because whenever they shut the pipeline to the Ukraine down, the EU got
    their gas from somewhere else.
    I do not believe Ukrainians like to freeze in wintertime.

    Do you believe Venezuelans or North Koreans like starving?

    it comes from. If Ukraine was not reliable, as Russia suggests,
    then others most certainly would have noticed.

    Others do have noticed. The Ukraine has to pay 7.75% interest for their bonds, Germany is currently issuing bonds at 0% interest rate.

    Crimea as part of Russia. As a result, the US and EU imposed
    sanctions on Russia. These sanctions have cost Russia over
    $50 billion since then. In order to make up for the loss of
    revenue, Russia has to find new sources.

    In 2017 Trump invaded the White house and imposed sanctions on the USA, calling
    them tariffs. Do you think the people like paying more for what they buy while
    at the same time getting less for what they sell?

    England knew full well what it was/is doing.

    Yeah, sure. They're discussing a second referendum despite the fact that everyone knew what they were voting for and would cast exactly the same vote again. This totally makes sense, doesn't it?

    In Kosovo, Europeans did nothing to stop ethnic cleansing by Serbia.
    The US had to act alone. This should have been a European problem
    to solve. Which it chose to ignore.

    Actually, this is a problem of the United Nations and they did not vote for a military intervention, which is what all the criticism about this NATO operation is about.




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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Gregory Deyss on Tuesday, July 23, 2019 06:42:03
    Hello Greg,

    The president created this mess. He can fix it by resigning from >LL>office. His sidekick, an evangelical Christian, will then know what
    to do ...

    The President did not create this mess, and you don't know what your talking
    about.

    Everything was fine when Barack Obama left office.

    I doubt that these facilities of today could be compared to the camps in >LL>>1940's. Today's facilities issues are caused by over crowding because of >LL>>number of people who were caught. No one asked for them to come here. >LL>We did not treat our own very well. Just because of the color of
    their skin.

    We were at War with Japan at the time.

    We put our own citizens in internment camps. Just because their
    skin was yellow rather than lily white.

    After the events of 9-11, another president chose to round up
    US citizens and put them in special places. Just because they
    held different religious beliefs (most of them were brown due
    to their arabic ancestry).

    Why does this president insist on doing the same racist things
    that some of his predecessors have done?

    The radical idea of killing
    yourself by smashing your plane into the American ships, this was disturbing >and was not seen before by the American's . The U.S. was protecting it's >American citizens uncertain where the loyalty of the Japanese within the
    U.S.
    with their fellow American people or with the Japanese. Could they be they
    be trusted? Question of the day for the U.S. Government in those days.
    I am not condoning what was done to the Japanese-Americans. Nor do I support >what was done.

    The job of the POTUS is to protect the US Constitution and the people
    of this country. FDR failed the test. GWB failed the test. And now,
    Trump is failing the test. Miserably.

    racist, and has blatantly exposed his views for all the world to see. >LL>He cannot explain any of this away, as there is no excuse for any of >LL>what he has done.

    Non-sense, you know what I see, bunch of people who want and very badly want >to see the President in the way, they have been attacking him since day one. >Truth is he never said ANYTHING about skin color.
    The democrats have been playing the RACE CARD when it suits them. It's worn >out and tired and is also blatant, it also comes in many varieties such as >nasty anti-American comments, that prove President is right about them.
    The democratic party needs misery and outrage, as we all need oxygen.

    Donald Trump made false claims about four black women, all of them
    US citizens. He claimed these black, Hispanic and Muslim congresswomen
    (all US citizens) "came from countries whose government are a complete
    and total catastrophye, the worst, most corrupt and inept anywhere in
    the world."

    Three of the four congresswomen were born in the USA, the other
    one being a naturalized US citizen, being a refugee from Somalia
    (she came here as a child with her family from Somalia).

    Trump continued his hateful rant - "Why don't they go back and help
    fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came,
    then come back and show us how it's done."

    People die of heat stroke. Even people in their prime.
    An NFL player, age 32, keeled over from heat stroke the other
    day. And there was plenty of water available to him.

    Yes I saw that. A previous member of the NY Giants.

    And what about those who are not athletes? Who are suffering
    of heat stroke and cannot get help in time? These are real people
    who are being locked up, for long periods of time, without access
    to proper health care or anything else. There have been at least
    seven children who have died as a result. This is shameful.

    The president created this mess. The president can fix it.
    If he does not know how to do so, or want to do so, he should
    resign from office and let somebody else do the job.

    The President did not create this mess,

    He can't blame it on Obama.
    He can't blame it on Hillary.
    He has only himself to blame.

    but he did get Mexico to do more and in a very big way.

    Mexico backed out. So did Guatemala.

    I don't mind calling the president a racist.
    I also don't mind if it hurts your feelings.

    You are free to say these things, it does not make them factual.

    When you disagree with the president, suddenly you're a bad person.
    That is what President Trump is telling those four congresswomen, and
    all who disagree with his worldview, no matter how wrong is or may be.

    The allegiance of those four congresswomen is not to the president,
    but to the Constitution of the United States of America and to the
    American people.

    The same applies to every member of Congress, regardless of party.

    Where is your allegiance?

    --Lee

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  • From BOB ACKLEY@1:123/140 to MARK LEWIS on Wednesday, July 24, 2019 16:06:34
    On 2019 Jul 19 07:22:20, you wrote to aaron thomas:

    The left is becoming unhinged with their hate, AOC talking about
    Nazi
    concentration camps at the border, migrants drinking out of
    toilets, and
    the rest of the anti-American, anti-Semitic comments as well as
    the
    unwillingness to walk ANY of those comments back.

    wait, what?!? are you really saying tht having concentration camps is
    being an
    American? not giving people in those camps water and making them
    drink from the
    toilets is being American? are you really that much of a scum-sucking
    garbage
    human?????

    Frankly, Mark, I don't believe a word of that scum sucking garbage
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  • From BOB ACKLEY@1:123/140 to GREGORY DEYSS on Wednesday, July 24, 2019 16:11:42
    On 21 Jul 2019, Dale Shipp said the following...

    so wait, let me get this straight you have to see news
    reports or
    experience other media to learn these alleged reports are
    erroneous,
    what about common sense, when does that kick in?

    A. They are not "alleged" reports. They are reports of direct observations by multiple people based on what they saw and were
    told by
    the guards.

    They are lies designed to drive a wedge and nothing more.

    If that is true, it is criminal neglect on the part of the administration for not fixing the problem and forcing the guards
    pay out
    of their own pockets. It should not fall to the guards to do
    that, it
    should be done by the administration.

    The executive branch does not make laws.

    Uh, yes, it does. They're called "regulations" and there are rooms
    full of them, none of which were passed by congress. They are laws in everything but name.
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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to BOB ACKLEY on Wednesday, July 24, 2019 18:19:11
    On 24 Jul 2019, BOB ACKLEY said the following...

    The executive branch does not make laws.

    Uh, yes, it does. They're called "regulations" and there are rooms
    full of them, none of which were passed by congress. They are laws in everything but name.

    Laws and Regulations. Federal laws are bills that have passed both houses of Congress, been signed by the president, passed over the president's veto, or allowed to become law without the president's signature. Individual laws,
    also called acts, are arranged by subject in the United States Code.

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  • From BOB ACKLEY@1:123/140 to GREGORY DEYSS on Friday, July 26, 2019 10:37:28
    On 24 Jul 2019, BOB ACKLEY said the following...

    The executive branch does not make laws.

    Uh, yes, it does. They're called "regulations" and there are
    rooms
    full of them, none of which were passed by congress. They are
    laws in
    everything but name.

    Laws and Regulations. Federal laws are bills that have passed both
    houses of
    Congress, been signed by the president, passed over the president's
    veto, or
    allowed to become law without the president's signature. Individual
    laws,
    also called acts, are arranged by subject in the United States Code.

    My point obviously sailed right over your head.

    IMO the entire Code of Federal Regulations is unConstitutional, as are
    every Executive Order ever written.

    Back when the Supremes shot down the 'line item veto' (at the
    Corruptocrats behest, BTW) it stated in part that '... the congress
    cannot delegate its Constitutional responsibilities.' That sentence,
    if the courts were consistent - and they're not - invalidates every
    regulation on the books and every Executive Order ever written
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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to BOB ACKLEY on Saturday, July 27, 2019 02:04:10
    Hello Bob,

    My point obviously sailed right over your head.

    Point? What point?

    IMO the entire Code of Federal Regulations is unConstitutional, as are every
    Executive Order ever written.

    So, we are a nation of men, and not of laws?

    Back when the Supremes shot down the 'line item veto' (at the
    Corruptocrats behest, BTW) it stated in part that '... the congress
    cannot delegate its Constitutional responsibilities.' That sentence,
    if the courts were consistent - and they're not - invalidates every >regulation on the books and every Executive Order ever written

    The Framers of the Constitution wrote a document with the idea
    of "separation of powers" being paramount, with three clear branches
    of government - executive, legislative, and judicial. That means
    under Article II the POTUS cannot do whatever the hell he wants.

    --Lee

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Tuesday, July 23, 2019 02:15:00
    On 07-22-19 06:40, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: War or Planefuls of <=-

    <<SNIP>>

    Evil does seek to maintain power by suppressing the truth. Or by misleading the innocent.

    That is a perfect description of what the current administration is
    trying to do. Glad that you could express it so succinctly.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Lee Lofaso on Tuesday, July 23, 2019 06:11:34
    On 23 Jul 2019, Lee Lofaso said the following...

    Everything was fine when Barack Obama left office.

    Says the turtle in his shell.

    I would describe this time with many words but *fine* would not be one of
    those words.
    high Unemployment, even Barack Obama said "The the jobs are gone and not coming back." Standing up for thugs like Trayvon Martin - Barack even said "If I had
    a Son he would like Trayvon. Let's not forget the thug Michael Brown.

    The corruption ran deep with his choice for top cop
    Attorney General Loretta Lynch
    Her stoic demeanor throughout the proceedings betrayed the thought-process of
    a well-connected, high-level law enforcement official who thought she was
    above the law. Nevertheless the new and troubling revelations provided by the former FBI director in his testimony before the Intelligence Committee have provided committee members with specific, concrete information and not just innuendo. There is now evidence of actual impropriety and not merely the appearance of impropriety. In light of this tangible evidence, it will be interesting to see how the former attorney general will attempt slither her
    way out of the corrupted hole she dug herself into.

    I doubt that these facilities of today could be compared to the camps >LL>>1940's. Today's facilities issues are caused by over crowding because >LL>>number of people who were caught. No one asked for them to come here. >LL>We did not treat our own very well. Just because of the color of >LL>their skin.

    It's called War.

    After the events of 9-11, another president chose to round up
    US citizens and put them in special places. Just because they
    held different religious beliefs (most of them were brown due
    to their arabic ancestry).

    I think this is shear fantasy on your part, I do not remember any such facilities or any event of holding arabics.
    I remember 9/11 very well, I will not forget, nor will I ever forgive.

    The job of the POTUS is to protect the US Constitution and the people
    of this country. FDR failed the test. GWB failed the test. And now, Trump is failing the test. Miserably.

    What standard of measure are you using to make that statement?
    Look at the economy, unemployment, stock market - which means jobs, trade deals. Energy independence.

    That Democratic play book is tired and worn out and has become obsolete.

    And what about those who are not athletes? Who are suffering
    of heat stroke and cannot get help in time? These are real people
    who are being locked up, for long periods of time, without access
    to proper health care or anything else. There have been at least
    seven children who have died as a result. This is shameful.

    The parents hold no responsibility for their children's deaths, perhaps they shouldn't be parents, they should of had their children taken away, to foster care and perhaps they shouldn't have dragged them across the desert.

    The allegiance of those four congresswomen is not to the president,
    but to the Constitution of the United States of America and to the American people.

    Then it would be beyond the time to behave like it, I heard reports of
    the left even attacking Thomas Jefferson...
    Where does this end?
    With every hateful statement, every outlandish shocking sound-byte, they are dismantling the Democratic Party piece by piece.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Dale Shipp on Tuesday, July 23, 2019 06:19:46
    On 23 Jul 2019, Dale Shipp said the following...

    On 07-22-19 06:40, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: War or Planefuls of <=-

    <<SNIP>>

    Evil does seek to maintain power by suppressing the truth. Or by misleading the innocent.

    That is a perfect description of what the current administration is
    trying to do. Glad that you could express it so succinctly.

    There lays the heart of the problem, we see things through a different lens.

    Spock
    In critical moments men sometimes see exactly what they wish to see.

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  • From aaron thomas@1:123/525 to Lee Lofaso on Tuesday, July 23, 2019 11:19:55
    Everything was fine when Barack Obama left office.

    Except for Americans not being able to afford health insurance, or the fines that Obama imposed on people who couldn't afford health insurance, the
    ignored warning signs from North Korea, and the continuation of NAFTA and
    other unfair economic policies, yes, Obama left everything else just fine.

    What was that thing that Obama was offering during his campaigns? I can't remember, but I'm sure he delivered on it because that's what democrats do.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to Dale Shipp on Wednesday, July 24, 2019 04:57:43
    Hello Dale,

    <<SNIP>>

    GD> Evil does seek to maintain power by suppressing the truth. Or by
    GD> misleading the innocent.

    That is a perfect description of what the current administration is
    trying to do. Glad that you could express it so succinctly.

    +1

    --Lee

    --
    We Put Big Loads In Tight Places

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