On 07-14-19 14:03, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: War or Planefuls of <=-

It is not worth the effort to attempt to reason with you anymore. It is
clear that you have not read the elements of obstruction of justice
that Mueller stated against Trump.

It is clear that you do not understand how Barr is doing exactly what
Trump is directing him to do, i.e. working as Trump's lawyer and not the people's lawyer. There are carefully laid out rules about how the
Whitehouse is not supposed to communicate with the Justice department
except through particular channels -- and those channels do not include
Trump telling Barr what to do, but that is what is happening.

The opinions you are spouting are so close to those issued by the far
right news outlets, that I wonder if you are capable of forming an
opinion of your own without hearing it from them first.

Why don't you tune in to Mueller's testimony in front of the House
committee to hear what the report really says from the source,
unfiltered by anyone.

Dale Shipp
fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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On 15 Jul 2019, Dale Shipp said the following...

On 07-14-19 14:03, Gregory Deyss <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: War or Planefuls of <=-

It is not worth the effort to attempt to reason with you anymore. It is clear that you have not read the elements of obstruction of justice
that Mueller stated against Trump.

I guess we will have to return to the old ways, of agreeing to disagree.
With me being on the right, I can a achieve this quite effectively.

It is clear that you do not understand how Barr is doing exactly what Trump is directing him to do, i.e. working as Trump's lawyer and not the people's lawyer. There are carefully laid out rules about how the Whitehouse is not supposed to communicate with the Justice department except through particular channels -- and those channels do not include Trump telling Barr what to do, but that is what is happening.

Don't you listen to your boss or used to listen to your boss if you are now retired. Anyway what I referring to is known as chain of command and it
happens everyday in every line of work. This is something that is not indigenous to The White House. It's called getting things done.

The Democrats are not use to a Republican President who will not quiver and crumble under their say so, Trump fights back at typically twice the
velocity of what was received. That is something that his father Fred Trump taught Donald at a very young age. It is also something that has been passed down from generation to generation within the Trump family.

The opinions you are spouting are so close to those issued by the far
right news outlets,

It's funny that you mention this, I was just explaining to my wife the other day of what happens when I see news headlines on the internet. I always be sure to look for the outlet of where the story originated; If the the story is from New York Times or the Washington Post, there are many that are biased. It has been seen time and time again that they don't give the truth at least not immediately it is buried within several paragraphs. Left leaning newspapers have printed more stories that force them to also print a statement of retraction. They also use from anonymous sources more times than I care to remember, which are nothing more then baseless statements that is not worth the paper that it's printed on.

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On 2019 Jul 15 07:10:32, you wrote to Dale Shipp:

It is not worth the effort to attempt to reason with you anymore. It
is clear that you have not read the elements of obstruction of
justice that Mueller stated against Trump.

I guess we will have to return to the old ways, of agreeing to
disagree. With me being on the right, I can a achieve this quite effectively.

with you being in the wrong, it is also achieved quite easily... that you cannot accept that is very telling...

It is clear that you do not understand how Barr is doing exactly what
Trump is directing him to do, i.e. working as Trump's lawyer and not
the people's lawyer. There are carefully laid out rules about how
the Whitehouse is not supposed to communicate with the Justice
department except through particular channels -- and those channels
do not include Trump telling Barr what to do, but that is what is
happening.

Don't you listen to your boss or used to listen to your boss if you
are now retired. Anyway what I referring to is known as chain of
command and it happens everyday in every line of work. This is
something that is not indigenous to The White House. It's called
getting things done.

trump is -=*/NOT/*=- barr's boss... the DOJ is a separate and distinct branch... you should be old enough to know how the US government is set up and operates...

The Democrats are not use to a Republican President who will not

trump is not a republican president... he is only wearing that classification like wearing dirty underwear...

The opinions you are spouting are so close to those issued by the far
right news outlets,

It's funny that you mention this, I was just explaining to my wife the other day of what happens when I see news headlines on the internet. I always be sure to look for the outlet of where the story originated;
If the the story is from New York Times or the Washington Post, there
are many that are biased.

without a doubt, every single one of them is biased... even your right-wing ones...

It has been seen time and time again that they don't give the truth at least not immediately it is buried within several paragraphs.

the right-wing ones do the same thing...

Left leaning newspapers have printed more stories that force them to
also print a statement of retraction. They also use from anonymous
sources more times than I care to remember, which are nothing more
then baseless statements that is not worth the paper that it's printed
on.

open your eyes, man... the right-wingers are equally biased and bad...

)\/(ark

And to this end they built themselves a stupendous super-computer which was
so amazingly intelligent that even before its data banks had been connected
up it had started from "I think therefore I am" and got as far as deducing
the existence of rice pudding and income tax before anyone managed to turn
it off.
... It is twice as hard to crush a half-truth as it is a whole lie.
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On 15 Jul 2019, mark lewis said the following...

with you being in the wrong, it is also achieved quite easily... that you cannot accept that is very telling...

I don't back down ever and specially for snowflakes who have nothing but
hatred for our President.
If Dale does not want to continue the conversation for whatever reason, I am more then ok with that.

But for the record, I am not wrong.

You libs are all the same you want to argue and debate and make
accusations. You are incapable of agreeing to disagree.

trump is not a republican president... he is only wearing that classification like wearing dirty underwear...

With his money? I don't think he has worn the same pair of sox twice the same with his underwear, but seriously your digging to the bottom of the insult bucket if you're discussing dirty underwear.

You got the Trump Derangement Syndrome real bad.

You see I do not need to go off and act all bat-shit crazy to get my point across. I am on the right, life is as good as cherry pie.

the right-wing ones do the same thing...

We don't need to make fake ass and bias stories We Won! & We will Win again! but don't worry I am sure there is a Wal*Mart near by where you can pick some kleenex, crayons & coloring books too, for when the time comes.

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On 2019 Jul 15 21:50:26, you wrote to me:

with you being in the wrong, it is also achieved quite easily... that
you cannot accept that is very telling...

I don't back down ever and specially for snowflakes who have nothing
but hatred for our President.

says he with his head firmly buried in the sand...

If Dale does not want to continue the conversation for whatever
reason, I am more then ok with that.

:shrug:

But for the record, I am not wrong.

hahaha...

You libs are all the same you want to argue and debate and make accusations. You are incapable of agreeing to disagree.

i do that all the time... i haven't in this case, though...

trump is not a republican president... he is only wearing that
classification like wearing dirty underwear...

With his money?

WHOOSH!

what money he may have doesn't have anything to do with it...

You got the Trump Derangement Syndrome real bad.

riiiiiiight...

You see I do not need to go off and act all bat-shit crazy to get my
point across.

i don't see anyone in here doing that...

I am on the right, life is as good as cherry pie.

with your head firmly buried in the sand...

the right-wing ones do the same thing...

We don't need to make fake ass and bias stories We Won! & We will Win again!

HAHAHAHAH! there you go again with that ignorant winning bullshit... wadda maroon!

)\/(ark

And to this end they built themselves a stupendous super-computer which was
so amazingly intelligent that even before its data banks had been connected
up it had started from "I think therefore I am" and got as far as deducing
the existence of rice pudding and income tax before anyone managed to turn
it off.
... Gratuitous acts of senseless violence are MY forte.
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On 16 Jul 2019, mark lewis said the following...

says he with his head firmly buried in the sand...

Believe me, my head is anything but buried in the sand, it can't be because it is aware of the nastiness from the left -the contempt and the vile hatred for this President.

What is wrong with you people?
You don't like better - superior - trade deals with other countries that no longer result with the U.S. getting screwed w/ unfair unequal deals.
Who cares if these items, are a few dollars for a label that says Made in
the U.S.A. if all you want is cheap goods that are manufactured with questionable and harmful chemicals and ingredients then you are a sellout as well as a fool. Of which leads into a perfect segue which also makes a lot of sense. Perhaps this is why you are upset because the United States has a leader that will not allow the U.S. to have negotiators in trade deals who don't have a clue what they are doing.

If you want the U.S. to fail, you clearly do not belong here.

We rise together, like or not and I know many of you don't.
lowest unemployment rates - some are 50 year lows. So why be upset with this? unless once again you have a problem with this as well because once again we have leader that understands far better then a community organizer who couldn't organize a backyard barbecue to say nothing about charting a course to bring the country back with the unemployment numbers of today.
(before someone says that Obama started this you can also explain why Obama himself said these jobs are gone and are not coming back.)

Stock Market is doing great breaking new records never ever seen in the
United States. (yes, it does matter, because this means jobs.)

If you love America you should be very happy that Trump won, the positives
that are happening now wouldn't even be in the pre-planning stages if Hillary had won, the country would be in the same dismal death spiral as it was at
the end of Obama's Presidency.

All you want to talk about in non-existant Collusion and Obstruction, it is
not good enough that the Mueller Report has concluded there is no collusion
or obstruction by Donald Trump, the fact that you people on the left were hoping it would of been the final nail in his coffin, explains much about your character. You just won't let it die, you want to talk about how the charges will return when Donald Trump is no longer the President, how retarded is that when there was no indictment in the first place and I do not give a rat's ass what one thousand law professionals are saying because they are just as irrelevant as many as you are on the left, not to mention cut from the same cast.

When Obama was in office I was not rooting for his demise or hoping that he would fail, in-fact I voted for him the first time he ran, it had nothing to
do with the color of his skin, or being that he was the first African-American President. I voted for him for because I thought he would be bring forth what he said which was hope and change, and I liked what the man had to say. However I was disappointed and not impressed with what we got out of his Presidency after 8 long years.

I am far from the one w/ blinders on.

Just as I am not the one who needs to wake up.

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On 2019 Jul 16 13:07:32, you wrote to me:

says he with his head firmly buried in the sand...

Believe me, my head is anything but buried in the sand,

willful ignorance: A decision in bad faith to avoid becoming informed about something so as to avoid having to make undesirable decisions that such information might prompt.

invincible ignorance: the fallacy of insisting on the legitimacy of one's position in the face of contradictory facts.

in other words, burying your head in the sand...

)\/(ark

And to this end they built themselves a stupendous super-computer which was
so amazingly intelligent that even before its data banks had been connected
up it had started from "I think therefore I am" and got as far as deducing
the existence of rice pudding and income tax before anyone managed to turn
it off.
... It is by coffee alone I set my mind in motion.
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On 16 Jul 2019, mark lewis said the following...

On 2019 Jul 16 13:07:32, you wrote to me:

says he with his head firmly buried in the sand...

Believe me, my head is anything but buried in the sand,

willful ignorance: A decision in bad faith to avoid becoming informed about something so as to avoid having to make undesirable decisions that such information might prompt.

invincible ignorance: the fallacy of insisting on the legitimacy of one's position in the face of contradictory facts.

Your inability to refute what I have indicated show that your side has no
facts contradictory or otherwise.

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On 2019 Jul 16 15:47:48, you wrote to me:

Your inability to refute what I have indicated show that your side has no facts contradictory or otherwise.

no, it shows that you are simply not worth the effort any more ;)

willful ignorance: A decision in bad faith to avoid becoming informed
about something so as to avoid having to make undesirable decisions
that such information might prompt.

invincible ignorance: the fallacy of insisting on the legitimacy of
one's position in the face of contradictory facts.


)\/(ark

And to this end they built themselves a stupendous super-computer which was
so amazingly intelligent that even before its data banks had been connected
up it had started from "I think therefore I am" and got as far as deducing
the existence of rice pudding and income tax before anyone managed to turn
it off.
... God's retirement plan is out of this world.
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Hello mark,

says he with his head firmly buried in the sand...

Believe me, my head is anything but buried in the sand,

willful ignorance: A decision in bad faith to avoid becoming informed about
something so as to avoid having to make undesirable decisions that such information might prompt.

invincible ignorance: the fallacy of insisting on the legitimacy of one's
position in the face of contradictory facts.

in other words, burying your head in the sand...

Willful ignorance - something that can be denied.

Invincible ignorance - something that cannot be denied.

One can be very informed and be willfully ignorant.
Which is why most members of Congress have not chosen
to read the public version of the Mueller report, and
still deny the president has committed a crime or has
obstructed justice.

But invincible ignorance is a far different matter.
For example, the headline in a North Carolina newspaper
asked - "Are you okay with a racist president, Republicans?"

Only 4 Republicans in the House have condemned the president's
words as being racist. Only 1 Republican in the Senate has
condemmed the president's words as being racist. And 1 former
Republican in the House.

We all know the Democrats are not okay with a racist president.
The House of Representives easily passed a resolution condemning
his actions as being racist, in effect calling him a racist.

That would be 235 Democrats, plus 4 Republicans, and 1 former
Republican who agree the president is a racist.

Talk about invincible ignorance.

--Lee

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Hello Greg,

ml> ml>> says he with his head firmly buried in the sand...
ml>
ml> GD> Believe me, my head is anything but buried in the sand,
ml>
ml> willful ignorance: A decision in bad faith to avoid becoming informed
ml> about something so as to avoid having to make undesirable decisions that
ml> such information might prompt.
ml>
ml> invincible ignorance: the fallacy of insisting on the legitimacy of one's
ml> position in the face of contradictory facts.

Your inability to refute what I have indicated show that your side has no >facts contradictory or otherwise.

Willful ignorance - something that can be denied.

Invincible ignorance - something that cannot be denied.

Well, now that we all know which one is which ...

--Lee

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On 2019 Jul 17 22:00:50, you wrote to me:

Willful ignorance - something that can be denied.

Invincible ignorance - something that cannot be denied.

incorrect... they have specific meanings... look them up and learn something ;)

)\/(ark

And to this end they built themselves a stupendous super-computer which was
so amazingly intelligent that even before its data banks had been connected
up it had started from "I think therefore I am" and got as far as deducing
the existence of rice pudding and income tax before anyone managed to turn
it off.
... For some reason the little weinerheads make us laugh.
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On 17 Jul 2019, Lee Lofaso said the following...

Hello Greg,

ml> ml>> says he with his head firmly buried in the sand...
ml>
ml> GD> Believe me, my head is anything but buried in the sand,
ml>
ml> willful ignorance: A decision in bad faith to avoid becoming infor
ml> about something so as to avoid having to make undesirable decision that
ml> such information might prompt.
ml>
ml> invincible ignorance: the fallacy of insisting on the legitimacy o one's
ml> position in the face of contradictory facts.

Your inability to refute what I have indicated show that your side has no >facts contradictory or otherwise.

Willful ignorance - something that can be denied.

Invincible ignorance - something that cannot be denied.

Well, now that we all know which one is which ...

Don't about value- getting his money's worth out of the pocket dictionary
that he picked up at the local Wal*Mart.

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Only 4 Republicans in the House have condemned the president's
words as being racist. Only 1 Republican in the Senate has

Republicans typically have bigger worries than racism analysis. Democrats don't. Nothing more important going on in their lives, or in their
constituents lives.

Is it racist for a conservative nationalist to say that each of those four women should go back to the country they're loyal to? Even if they've never been to their country of loyalty - they still "need to go back there." Sorry, this is the way some people talk. Never come to liberal New York if you don't like it.

Meanwhile, back on earth:

What about Alexandria's border jumpers? They're tired of being forced to drink urine from human skulls in the detention centers, and we need to close the loophole that's forcing them into that predicament. But wait - before we give
a crap about that - The President Might Be Racist! Let's act fast on a vote
on whether or not the president is racist! Nothing better to do!

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On 07-18-19 00:40, Aaron Thomas <=-
spoke to Lee Lofaso about Re: What is wrong with yo <=-

Is it racist for a conservative nationalist to say that each of those
four women should go back to the country they're loyal to? Even if

How can they "go back to the country they're loyal to"? They are in it,
and they have have sworn an oath to support and defend against all
enemies, foreign and domestic. The USA is the country they are loyal
to.

Dale Shipp
fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
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Hello mark,

Willful ignorance - something that can be denied.

Invincible ignorance - something that cannot be denied.

incorrect... they have specific meanings... look them up and learn something
;)

We are largely ignorant. Ignorant and unknowing.
There are times when we do not know we are ignorant.
There are times when we recognize our ignorance.
But most of the time, we are both ignorant and unknowing.

This is only important if the expected consequences
of our actions are significant. Otherwise, we can be
ignorant and unknowing all we want, without any real
consequence at all.

Of course, if those expected consequences are unexpected ...

--Lee

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Hello Greg,

LL> > ml> ml>> says he with his head firmly buried in the sand...
LL> > ml>
LL> > ml> GD> Believe me, my head is anything but buried in the sand,
LL> > ml>
LL> > ml> willful ignorance: A decision in bad faith to avoid becoming infor
LL> > ml> about something so as to avoid having to make undesirable decision
LL> > that
LL> > ml> such information might prompt.
LL> > ml>
LL> > ml> invincible ignorance: the fallacy of insisting on the legitimacy o
LL> > one's
LL> > ml> position in the face of contradictory facts.
LL> >
LL> >Your inability to refute what I have indicated show that your side
has no
LL> >facts contradictory or otherwise.
LL>
LL> Willful ignorance - something that can be denied.
LL>
LL> Invincible ignorance - something that cannot be denied.
LL>
LL> Well, now that we all know which one is which ...

Don't about value- getting his money's worth out of the pocket dictionary
that he picked up at the local Wal*Mart.

It is true that we are all largely ignorant. Ignorant and unknowing.

There are times when we do not know we are ignorant. And there are
times when we recognize our ignorance. Usually, it makes no difference
whether we know we are ignorant, or if we recognize our ignorace.
Unless the expected consequences are significant. In which case, we
can do whatever we want without consequence.

OTOH, if those expected consequences are unexpected ...

--Lee

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Hello Aaron,

Only 4 Republicans in the House have condemned the president's
words as being racist. Only 1 Republican in the Senate has

Republicans typically have bigger worries than racism analysis. Democrats
don't. Nothing more important going on in their lives, or in their constituents lives.

Racism has no place in this country. The failure of Republicans
to call out the president on his words of hate have been noted.
The failure of their racist president to call out those who yelled
hateful chants towards one of those women has also been noted.

Those four women the president targeted are one of us. Not a bunch
of undesirables who should be sent away to some other place far away.
The president owes an apology not only to those four women, but also
to each and every one of us.

His failure to do so has been duly noted.

Is it racist for a conservative nationalist to say that each of those four
women should go back to the country they're loyal to?

Yes. It is also racist for anybody else to say the same thing.

Even if they've never been to their country of loyalty - they still "need to
go back there."

We are all in this together. One nation, united and indivisible.
Those who seek to break us apart by words of hatred and division are
hardly what I would call patriotic.

Sorry, this is the way some people talk.

George C. Wallace was very good at that kind of talk. Without
ever resorting to saying the "N" word in public.

Never come to liberal New York if you don't like it.

Come to Louisiana. Leave different.

Meanwhile, back on earth:

What about Alexandria's border jumpers? They're tired of being forced to
drink urine from human skulls in the detention centers,

President Trump admitted he made that up. Called it fake news.

and we need to close the loophole that's forcing them into that predicament.

The officers who told that tale have been detained, and will be
reassigned to other matters.

But wait - before we give a crap about that - The President Might Be Racist!

No, no, no, no, no! You've got it all wrong!
The President *Is* A Racist! The House of Representatives
passed a resolution condemning him as a racist president!
It is all a matter of the official record! And cannot be
deleted!

Let's act fast on a vote on whether or not the president is racist!

How many times will the House of Representatives have to do this?
Seems to me the president is a repeat offender and rarely learns from
his mistakes.

Nothing better to do!

First there was "Lock her up!"
That was when Trump was still a candidate running for office.

Hillary Clinton has yet to be charged with any crime.

Must be because Trump never had a case to begin with.
And still doesn't.

Now there is "Send her back!"
That is when Trump is in office playing to a crowd.

All four Americans have spent their time, and our tax dollars,
well as they continue to represent their constituents in our nation's
capital.

And they are just getting started ...

--Lee

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There are times when we do not know we are ignorant. And there are
times when we recognize our ignorance. Usually, it makes no difference whether we know we are ignorant, or if we recognize our ignorace.
Unless the expected consequences are significant. In which case, we
can do whatever we want without consequence.

OTOH, if those expected consequences are unexpected ...

Right as was indicated by Hillary Clinton when she said that she did not
intend to willingly break the law.

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