• Code talkers

    From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Bob Ackley on Saturday, July 27, 2019 00:56:04
    On 07-26-19 10:43, Bob Ackley <=-
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    Many people don't know that during WW II, the US used Navajo tribesmen
    in its radio communications in the Pacific Theater. The Japanese
    didn't have ANYBODY that could speak or understand native American languages. Drove the Japanese nuts..

    It was not just the Navajo. Other nations were used in a similar
    manner. The Navajo just seem to have gotten the most exposure in recent
    years. I say recent because what they did was still considered
    classified for decades after the war ended.

    The USA owes them a lot.

    I might add that I have a book with descriptions of many of them (and
    photos). Also, I once had the opportunity to talk with one during a
    trip which included a stop at the Navajo nation. I also talked with his
    son, who did not know what his father did in WWII for decades after it
    was over.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From BOB ACKLEY@1:123/140 to DALE SHIPP on Monday, July 29, 2019 15:10:32
    Many people don't know that during WW II, the US used Navajo
    tribesmen
    in its radio communications in the Pacific Theater. The
    Japanese
    didn't have ANYBODY that could speak or understand native
    American
    languages. Drove the Japanese nuts..

    It was not just the Navajo. Other nations were used in a similar
    manner. The Navajo just seem to have gotten the most exposure in
    recent
    years. I say recent because what they did was still considered
    classified for decades after the war ended.

    The USA owes them a lot.

    I might add that I have a book with descriptions of many of them (and photos). Also, I once had the opportunity to talk with one during a
    trip which included a stop at the Navajo nation. I also talked with
    his
    son, who did not know what his father did in WWII for decades after it
    was over.

    If you're into this sort of thing, a fellow named David Kahn wrote a
    book on the subject back in the 1970s, updated in the 1990s,
    titled "The Codebreakers." I found it a very good read, but then I was
    into that sort of thing back then. Still have the books, though.
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Bob Ackley on Monday, July 29, 2019 23:40:00
    On 07-29-19 17:10, Bob Ackley <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Code talkers <=-

    If you're into this sort of thing, a fellow named David Kahn wrote a
    book on the subject back in the 1970s, updated in the 1990s,
    titled "The Codebreakers." I found it a very good read, but then I
    was into that sort of thing back then. Still have the books, though.

    Yes, I have that book. He has a few words about the codetalkers (pg.
    550 et al). Here is a bit more info on the subject:

    https://www.nsa.gov/about/cryptologic-heritage/museum/exhibits/#code_talkers

    World War 2: Native American Code Talkers

    This exhibit displays the critical work of Native American Code Talkers
    during World War II. Having suffered losses in the First World War as a
    result of the Germans listening to U.S. communications, the commander of
    the U.S. Army's 142nd Infantry Regiment found a solution. Captain
    Lawrence overheard two Choctaws speaking in their own language. He
    arranged for them to become radio communicators. They used common words
    to replace military terms and spoke Choctaw, thus becoming the first
    Code Talkers. On October 26, 1918, in northern France's Argonne Forest,
    the Choctaws' communications resulted in a completely successful
    surprise attack against the Germans. The Army continued the program and
    during World War II recruited Comanches, Choctaws, Kiowas, Winnebagos, Seminoles, Navajos, Hopis, Cherokees, and others. The Marine Corps took
    the Army work and codified, expanded, refined and perfected it into a
    true security discipline, using Navajos exclusively.


    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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