• Demonstrations

    From BOB ACKLEY@1:123/140 to ALL on Tuesday, July 30, 2019 08:02:04
    The United States Constitution guarantees the right of the people to peacefully petition their government for redress of grievances. That
    right to peacefully petition the government has somehow grown into a
    right to harass, obstruct, disrupt and otherwise bother not only the government but private individuals and businesses.

    The right of the people to speak freely has also somehow become a right
    to occupy - and damage and destroy - private property and nonpublic
    areas of public buildings and offices, and to obstruct public streets
    and sidewalks. It has also become, at least in some jurists' minds, a
    right to force others to listen to them.

    The Constitution guarantees the right to speak freely, it does not
    guarantee an audience. Just as people have the right to speak freely,
    other people have the right to ignore them.

    Being ignored, however, drives these people to distraction and causes
    them to try to force others to pay attention to them, by yelling and
    screaming in people's faces, by using bullhorns, and sometimes by
    blocking building entrances, sidewalks and/or streets in order
    to make it impossible for others to ignore them. This sort of thing
    used to be called a riot and used to carry heavy civil and criminal
    penalties.

    Over the past half century people's behavior and respect for others has steadily deteriorated. In the 1960s civil rights "demonstrators"
    obstructed access to places that did things they objected to (or
    refused to do things the "demonstrators" wanted them to do), and
    federal judges ruled this to be a legitimate form of protest despite
    the fact that such behavior is quite literally trespassing.
    Those "demonstrations" escalated to attacks on abortion clinics and
    providers, up to and including several bombings and murders.

    Most people aren't old enough to remember the labor unrest in the 1970s
    and 1980s, but I am. Labor strikes used to involve picket lines around companies being struck, and other union members - and members of other
    unions - were expected to honor those lines and refuse to cross them.
    I remember trucks having to be convoyed by state police on rural
    highways because striking Teamsters would shoot at any lone trucks they
    came upon on those highways. In the middle of one dark night on I-80
    in rural western Nebraska a heroic Teamster standing on an isolated
    overpass put a bullet through the middle of the windshield of a non-
    striking trucker traveling on I-80; unfortunately the driver's wife
    was sitting on the engine cover (which is in the middle of the cab) and
    was killed by that bullet. That sort of thing - murder - is a
    legitimate labor action according to the federal courts; the killer, of course, was never caught.

    During the coal miners' strike in the late 1970s, striking miners fired bullets into non-union mines that were still trying to operate. I
    don't find it at all suprising that our heavily unionized "law
    enforcement" officers couldn't manage to find any of the gunmen,
    although I suspect that everybody in the area knew who they were.
    Those striking miners also spread caltrops (metal devices made of nails
    that resemble the jacks'that children play with) on highways to flatten
    the tires of trucks carrying coal - of course, they also flattened the
    tires of cars and trucks that weren't carrying coal and had the
    potential to cause numerous possibly fatal motor vehicle accidents,
    which obviously didn't bother the strikers at all; there was also a
    bomb found on a railroad bridge that carried coal trains from the
    (nonunion, mostly mechanized) Wyoming coal fields.

    Thirty years ago during the Detroit newspapers strike, strikers
    attacked workers trying to cross their picket lines. Strikers also
    hijacked trucks of newspapers and burned them, stole papers from news
    stands (which were owned by private individuals, not by the
    newspapers) and burned them, and attacked strike breakers and police
    with clubs, guns, rocks, bricks, and pieces of steel rebar. As far as
    I know no one was ever arrested, let alone charged, tried and
    convicted, of any of those crimes - they are, after all "legitimate
    union bargaining tactics."

    During a machinists' strike against Boeing in the Seattle area, one
    worker who crossed the union picket line had his rural vacation home
    torched (by persons unknown, of course), fortunately no one was hurt.

    This sort of thing isn't unique to this country. Back in about 1969
    there was an English language newspaper on Okinawa (at the time a US possession, it was returned to Japanese control in 1973) that had a
    dispute with its very left wing labor union. The union was not happy
    with the publisher's editorial opinions (I thought they were great) and threated to strike because of what he was writing. The publisher told
    the union if they went on strike he'd move the paper to Taiwan and ship
    copies in. The union went on strike and the publisher moved the
    paper. When the first papers arrived from Taiwan, union strikers
    attacked the newspaper employees receiving them, beat them badly, and
    burned the newspapers right on the airport tarmac. Of course, nobody
    was arrested, let alone charged; it was, after all, a "legitimate union tactic." Two years later the union's big and somewhat tattered and
    faded "struggle" banners were still hanging on the still closed
    newspaper building - which, of course, the union had illegally broken
    into and taken over (of course nobody was ever charged with trespass or vandalism) - and the paper was still being printed on Taiwan and
    distributed all over the Far East, except on Okinawa.

    In recent days we have been "treated" to the spectacle of hundreds of
    supposed adults throwing massive temper tantrums because their
    candidate didn't win the 2016 election. Yet those same supposed adults
    claim to be proponents of "democracy" (which is just a fancy word that
    means "mob rule," this country is not and has never been a democracy,
    it is a constitutional republic). Of course, like most left wingers,
    they only support democracy when their candidates win. As an aside,
    during the Obama administration a fellow who lives just off L-31 north
    of US-34 had a big sign at his gate that said "Obama, America's first
    red president" (which is not correct, Roosevelt minor (1933-45) was
    America's first red president, and ther argument can be made that
    Thomas Wilson (1913-21) was), I thought that sign was a bit extreme;
    since the 2016 election somebody in Randolph has had a big sign on his
    front lawn that says "Not my president, never my president," some
    people have no problem displaying their own stupidity and blind hatred.

    I note that some of these "demonstrators," who call themselves
    the "Antifa" movement, wear uniforms of black hoodies, gloves, dark
    glasses and scarves covering the lower half of the face - hiding their identities just like the Ku Klux Klansmen of old did with their white
    robes, masks and (very appropriate) dunce hats. They must be very
    proud of their activities to want to hide their identities like that.
    In my view these "Antifa" people are far more dangerous to society and
    the country than the people they're supposedly protesting against.

    Another fairly recent development has been "counter-demonstrators" who
    show up uninvited at other peoples' demonstrations and functions, and
    there's a religious cult of kooks down in Kansas that shows up
    uninvited to spew their anti-gay hatred at funerals of military
    personnel who die on duty. These "counter-demonstrators" are usually
    of the left-wing persuasion, and continue the left wing's practice -
    perfected over the past half century on this country's college
    campuses - of shouting down speakers they don't like or disagree with.
    The presence of these "counter-demonstrators" practically guarantees a
    violent confrontation, particularly when those "counter-demonstrators"
    arrive armed with helmets, clubs, knives and guns. Stories in the very
    left wing mass media, of course, are written to make these "counter- demonstrators" out to be the good guys and the original demonstrators - usually pro-right wing or anti-left wing - are portrayed as the
    bad guys. When violent clashes - usually precipitated by the "counter- demonstrators" (remember those helmets, clubs and other paraphernalia) -
    occur they are universally blamed on the original demonstration.

    It's probably also necessary to note that a bit over a year ago a
    Republican congressman was shot while he was playing golf simply
    because he was a Republican. I don't know if the shooter was caught.

    Thus is the state of the American political system.
    Bob Ackley, 06/19


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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:221/360 to BOB ACKLEY on Tuesday, July 30, 2019 23:23:41
    Hello Bob,

    The United States Constitution guarantees the right of the people to >peacefully petition their government for redress of grievances. That
    right to peacefully petition the government has somehow grown into a
    right to harass, obstruct, disrupt and otherwise bother not only the >government but private individuals and businesses.

    Since when do NFL owners have the right to force NFL players
    to stand at obedience and honor the national anthem as it is played
    or sung before a game?

    The right of the people to speak freely has also somehow become a right
    to occupy - and damage and destroy - private property and nonpublic
    areas of public buildings and offices, and to obstruct public streets
    and sidewalks. It has also become, at least in some jurists' minds, a
    right to force others to listen to them.

    The right of NFL players to take a knee rather than be forced
    to stand in protest of police brutality shall not be infringed ...

    The Constitution guarantees the right to speak freely, it does not
    guarantee an audience. Just as people have the right to speak freely,
    other people have the right to ignore them.

    Yeah. Right. Tell that to those 100,000 fans standing in awe as
    their beloved NFL players take a knee ...

    Being ignored, however, drives these people to distraction and causes
    them to try to force others to pay attention to them, by yelling and >screaming in people's faces, by using bullhorns, and sometimes by
    blocking building entrances, sidewalks and/or streets in order
    to make it impossible for others to ignore them. This sort of thing
    used to be called a riot and used to carry heavy civil and criminal >penalties.

    NFL players taking a knee only irritates the president, who then
    takes to twitterville and writes volumes of stuff for his own fans
    to read ...

    Over the past half century people's behavior and respect for others has
    steadily deteriorated.

    Oh, I dunno about that. Earl K. Long was a much better name-caller
    than what we have now. And he was certified.

    --Lee

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  • From Gerhard Strangar@2:240/2188.575 to BOB ACKLEY on Thursday, August 01, 2019 04:35:05
    Am 30 Jul 19 10:02:04 schrob BOB ACKLEY an ALL zum Thema
    <Demonstrations>

    The United States Constitution guarantees the right of the people to peacefully petition their government for redress of grievances. That right to peacefully petition the government has somehow grown into a
    right to harass, obstruct, disrupt and otherwise bother not only the government but private individuals and businesses.

    I think the first amendment includes the right to peacefully assemble. If you don't like that, protest against it. :-)



    Tschoe mit Oe
    Gerhard
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