Just a test to make sure I am communicating again... nothing import... otherwise someone else would have spoken here.

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On 2019-04-19 02:00:13 +0000, Ozz Nixon -> All said:

Just a test to make sure I am communicating again... nothing import... otherwise someone else would have spoken here.

* Fixed base MSGID (test).

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Hi Ozz,

On 2019-04-19 02:00:13, you wrote to All:

@MSGID: user-agent

You've fixed that already. ;)

@X-RFC-Mime: 1.0

Is that a usefull kludge in fidonet?

Bye, Wilfred.

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On 2019-04-19 10:13:50 +0000, Wilfred van Velzen -> Ozz Nixon said:

Hi Ozz,

On 2019-04-19 02:00:13, you wrote to All:

@MSGID: user-agent

You've fixed that already. ;)

@X-RFC-Mime: 1.0

Is that a usefull kludge in fidonet?

Bye, Wilfred.

Only for those of us who are using GUI clients. Especially for the FTN
clones that are more agressive on evolving the readers with ANSI, MCI, PipeCodes, and now MIME embedded attachments.

Like the discussion of ^aCOLS:, where I could see it being useful for
those of use with GUI knowing to do:
(a) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
(b) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed

*If* it becomes too much for people to handle in their readers, I will
add logic to my tosser to filer it out of @fidonet stream. ;-)

O.



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Hi Ozz,

On 2019-04-19 07:20:59, you wrote to me:

@X-RFC-Mime: 1.0

Is that a usefull kludge in fidonet?

Only for those of us who are using GUI clients. Especially for the FTN clones that are more agressive on evolving the readers with ANSI, MCI, PipeCodes, and now MIME embedded attachments.

Like the discussion of ^aCOLS:, where I could see it being useful for those of use with GUI knowing to do:
(a) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
(b) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed

*If* it becomes too much for people to handle in their readers, I will
add logic to my tosser to filer it out of @fidonet stream. ;-)

So the short answer is: No ? ;)

Bye, Wilfred.

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On 2019 Apr 19 02:00:12, you wrote to All:

@X-RFC-Mime: 1.0
@REPLYADDR: ozznixon@gmail.com
@MSGID: user-agent
@PID: ExchangeBBS NNTP Server v3.1/Linux64
@TID: ExchangeBBS FTN Tosser/JAM v1.19.04 (Beta 4.09)
Just a test to make sure I am communicating again... nothing import... otherwise someone else would have spoken here.

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On 2019 Apr 19 10:13:50, you wrote to Ozz Nixon:

@X-RFC-Mime: 1.0

Is that a usefull kludge in fidonet?

@RFC-X-No-Archive: Yes

it is just as useful as your's is in fidonet... or any other FTN for that matter...

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Hi mark,

On 2019-04-19 10:29:40, you wrote to me:

@X-RFC-Mime: 1.0

Is that a usefull kludge in fidonet?

@RFC-X-No-Archive: Yes

it is just as useful as your's is in fidonet... or any other FTN for that matter...

It's an opinion expressed as kludge... ;-)

Bye, Wilfred.

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On 2019 Apr 19 17:28:06, you wrote to me:

@X-RFC-Mime: 1.0

Is that a usefull kludge in fidonet?

@RFC-X-No-Archive: Yes

it is just as useful as your's is in fidonet... or any other FTN for
that matter...

It's an opinion expressed as kludge... ;-)

like i said, it is just as useful...

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On 2019-04-19 12:53:03 +0000, Wilfred van Velzen -> Ozz Nixon said:

So the short answer is: No ? ;)

Never said that - it is useful to this client.

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.... Since 1983 BBS Developer

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This is a multi-part message in MIME format.

----------------21371104481383949680
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

On 2019-04-19 12:53:03 +0000, Wilfred van Velzen -> Ozz Nixon said:

On 2019-04-19 07:20:59, you wrote to me:

@X-RFC-Mime: 1.0

Is that a usefull kludge in fidonet?

*If* it becomes too much for people to handle in their readers, I will add logic to my tosser to filer it out of @fidonet stream. ;-)

So the short answer is: No ? ;)

Bye, Wilfred.

This is an example of when it is USEFUL - this renders perfectly on my
side! And it will for others who are using non-TELNET clients.

O

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... Author ExchangeBBS (suite)
.... Since 1983 BBS Developer
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Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" "http://www.w3.org TR/html4/strict.dtd">
<html>
<head>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">
<meta http-equiv="Content-Style-Type" content="text/css">
<title></title>
<meta name="Generator" content="Cocoa HTML Writer">
<meta name="CocoaVersion" content="1561.6">
<style type="text/css">
p.p1 {margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; line-height: 15.0px; font: 18.0px 'Andale Mono'}
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<p class="p1">On 2019-04-19 12:53:03 +0000, Wilfred van Velzen -&gt; Ozz Nixon said:</p>
<p class="p2">On 2019-04-19 07:20:59, you wrote to me:</p>
<p class="p3"><br></p>
<p class="p2"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>&gt;&gt;<span class="Apple-converted-space">  </span>ON&gt; @X-RFC-Mime: 1.0</p>
<p class="p2"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>&gt;&gt;</p>
<p class="p2"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>&gt;&gt; Is that a usefull kludge in fidonet?</p>
<p class="p3"><br></p>
<p class="p2"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>ON&gt; *If* it becomes too much for people to handle in their readers, I will</p>
<p class="p2"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>ON&gt; add logic to my tosser to filer it out of @fidonet stream. ;-)</p>
<p class="p3"><br></p>
<p class="p2">So the short answer is: No ? ;)</p>
<p class="p3"><br></p>
<p class="p2">Bye, Wilfred.</p>
<p class="p4"><br></p>
<p class="p5">This is an example of when it is USEFUL - this renders perfectly on my side! And it will for others who are using non-TELNET clients.</p>
<p class="p4"><br></p>
<p class="p5">O</p>
<p class="p6"><br></p>
<p class="p7">--<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></p>
<p class="p7">. Ozz Nixon</p>
<p class="p7">.. Author ExchangeBBS (suite)</p>
<p class="p7">... Since 1983 BBS Developer</p>
</body>
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Hi! Ozz,

On 04/20/2019 03:30 PM, you wrote to Wilfred van Velzen:

This is a multi-part message in MIME format.

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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

On 2019-04-19 12:53:03 +0000, Wilfred van Velzen -> Ozz Nixon said:

On 2019-04-19 07:20:59, you wrote to me:

@X-RFC-Mime: 1.0

Is that a usefull kludge in fidonet?

*If* it becomes too much for people to handle in their readers, I

will

add logic to my tosser to filer it out of @fidonet stream. ;-)

So the short answer is: No ? ;)

Bye, Wilfred.

This is an example of when it is USEFUL - this renders perfectly on my side! And it will for others who are using non-TELNET clients.

O

I'm still waiting for the bombastic music & go-go girls, mate. What's supposed
to happen? Your second-last sentence looks stunted in (a local) GoldEd and in
this reader, BTW.

Cheers,
Paul.

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On 2019 Apr 20 15:30:38, you wrote to Wilfred van Velzen:

This is a multi-part message in MIME format.

ugh :(

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On 2019-04-19 12:53:03 +0000, Wilfred van Velzen -> Ozz Nixon said:

On 2019-04-19 07:20:59, you wrote to me:

@X-RFC-Mime: 1.0

Is that a usefull kludge in fidonet?

*If* it becomes too much for people to handle in their readers, I

will

add logic to my tosser to filer it out of @fidonet stream. ;-)

So the short answer is: No ? ;)

Bye, Wilfred.

This is an example of when it is USEFUL - this renders perfectly on my side! And it will for others who are using non-TELNET clients.

it'll also work for those that do use telnet clients that can read and handle the format... but there's few of those in the world...

O

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.... Since 1983 BBS Developer
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Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01//EN" "http://www.w3.org TR/html4/strict.dtd">
<html>
<head>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <meta http-equiv="Content-Style-Type" content="text/css">
<title></title>
<meta name="Generator" content="Cocoa HTML Writer">
<meta name="CocoaVersion" content="1561.6">
<style type="text/css">
p.p1 {margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; line-height: 15.0px; font: 18.0px 'Andale Mono'}
p.p2 {margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 12.0px; line-height: 20.0px; font: 18.0px 'Andale Mono'; color: #011892}
p.p3 {margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 12.0px; line-height: 20.0px; font: 18.0px 'Andale Mono'; color: #011892; min-height: 20.0px}
p.p4 {margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; line-height: 20.0px; font: 18.0px 'Andale Mono'; min-height: 20.0px}
p.p5 {margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; line-height: 20.0px; font: 18.0px 'Andale Mono'}
p.p6 {margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 18.0px 'Andale Mono'; min-height: 20.0px} p.p7 {margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 18.0px 'Andale Mono'; color: #929292} </style> </head> <body> <p class="p1">On 2019-04-19 12:53:03 +0000, Wilfred van Velzen -&gt; Ozz Nixon
said:</p>
<p class="p2">On 2019-04-19 07:20:59, you wrote to me:</p>
<p class="p3"><br></p>
<p class="p2"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>&gt;&gt;<span class="Apple-converted-space">  </span>ON&gt; @X-RFC-Mime: 1.0</p>
<p class="p2"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>&gt;&gt;</p>
<p class="p2"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>&gt;&gt; Is that a usefull kludge in fidonet?</p> <p class="p3"><br></p> <p

class="p2"><span

class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>ON&gt; *If* it becomes too much for people to handle in their readers, I will</p> <p class="p2"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>ON&gt; add logic to my tosser to filer it out of @fidonet stream. ;-)</p> <p class="p3"><br></p> <p class="p2">So the short answer is: No ? ;)</p> <p class="p3"><br></p> <p class="p2">Bye, Wilfred.</p> <p class="p4"><br></p> <p class="p5">This is an example of when it is USEFUL - this renders perfectly on my side! And

it

will for others who are using non-TELNET clients.</p> <p class="p4"><br></p> <p class="p5">O</p> <p class="p6"><br></p> <p class="p7">--<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></p> <p class="p7">. Ozz Nixon</p> <p class="p7">.. Author ExchangeBBS (suite)</p> <p class="p7">... Since 1983 BBS Developer</p> </body> </html> ----------------21371104481383949680--

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On 2019-04-21 06:05:42 +0000, mark lewis -> Ozz Nixon said:

On 2019 Apr 20 15:30:38, you wrote to Wilfred van Velzen:

This is a multi-part message in MIME format.

ugh :(

Just clarifying why my software is denoting the MIME version. ;-p

Of course, I have never seen anyone talking about improving MIME, so
v1.0 statement is kinda useless until there is a 1.1 or 2.0.

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On 2019 Apr 21 11:08:50, you wrote to me:

On 2019-04-21 06:05:42 +0000, mark lewis -> Ozz Nixon said:

you running on UTC time?

This is a multi-part message in MIME format.

ugh :(

Just clarifying why my software is denoting the MIME version. ;-p

possibly but it is ugly in plain text having to see that stuff... i'd suggest to maybe hide them behind ^A... leave the ascii text alone and ^A all the rest... that'll hide it from most folk's view... GoldED users, at least, may see them because GoldED doesn't know them... the new ^ACols control line is displayed because it is unknown... i haven't looked to adding it to my local copy of GED, yet...

Of course, I have never seen anyone talking about improving MIME, so
v1.0 statement is kinda useless until there is a 1.1 or 2.0.

until MIME is recognized and used in FTNs, well...

there is documentation in the FTSC libraries that talks about MIME... check the
Type 3 and Type 10 packet proposals... there may be other docs that mention MIME as well... if you don't have it yet, i'd get the whole library to local media and then it is a lot easier to grep and look over...

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On 2019-04-21 12:20:56 +0000, mark lewis -> Ozz Nixon said:

there is documentation in the FTSC libraries that talks about MIME... check the Type 3 and Type 10 packet proposals... there may be other docs that mention MIME as well... if you don't have it yet, i'd get the whole library

to

local media and then it is a lot easier to grep and look over...

Great minds think a like - with all the pre-election stuff, I now
download ftscall into my linux drive, and grep when I want to find
something - really helpful when I was coding my tosser. It is how I
found other tossers are:

setting prodcode = 0x00 (FIDO Tom Jennings)
putting between kludges = 0x0d 0x0a instead of 0x0d
ocassionally getting end of pkt = 0x0d 0x00 instead of 0x0d 0x00 0x00 0x00

and found that ^aSEEN-BY: is acceptable (per spec being flexible
because someone was doing it wrong)

Now I am just testing to make sure I clear variables from PKTmsg to
PKTmsg - just found REPLY was repeating when a NEW MSG was generated
out there.

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.... Since 1983 BBS Developer

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