Does anyone know where to find IRex and Argus for Linux? Google's links for it
are broken...

Argus is a Windows mailer. It was never released as a linux binary that I know of. The source is available so that might be doable, I'm not sure.

I have Irex here, at least version 2.29.

telnet trmb.ca:2030

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Alan Ianson wrote to Charles Stephenson <=-

Does anyone know where to find IRex and Argus for Linux? Google's links for

it

are broken...

Argus is a Windows mailer. It was never released as a linux binary that
I know of. The source is available so that might be doable, I'm not
sure.

I have Irex here, at least version 2.29.

Hmm, that wold be an interestig challenge. :)


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Argus is a Windows mailer. It was never released as a linux binary that
I know of. The source is available so that might be doable, I'm not
sure.

I have Irex here, at least version 2.29.

Hmm, that wold be an interestig challenge. :)

Yep, it would be. I suspect a non starter but you never know til you try.

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I have Irex here, at least version 2.29.

Hmm, that wold be an interestig challenge. :)

I have Irex 2.29 working for a couple of my bbs's. PcBoard and Wildcat
(Irex 2.31 for wildcat and 2.29 for my PCBoard)

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Alan Ianson wrote to Gaylen Hintz <=-

Argus is a Windows mailer. It was never released as a Linux binary that
I know of. The source is available so that might be doable, I'm not
sure.

I have Irex here, at least version 2.29.

Hmm, that wold be an interestig challenge. :)

Yep, it would be. I suspect a non starter but you never know til you
try.

As a non programmer and not at all familiar with linux syntax I would guess that it may be possible but it would almost be easier to create your own mailer
but that's just a guess on my part. :)



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Alan Ianson wrote to Charles Stephenson <=-

I have Irex here, at least version 2.29.

Is Charles Cruden even supporting IRex anymore?

Later,
Sean


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Yep, it would be. I suspect a non starter but you never know til you
try.

As a non programmer and not at all familiar with linux syntax I would guess that it may be possible but it would almost be easier to create your own mailer but that's just a guess on my part. :)

I'm not a programmer either but if I have a source package available I'll try anything.. :)

There's a few things that make me think it won't work on linux.

1. I don't know if Argus was designed to be cross platform (modems).
2. On linux, the source would need GTK or QT to create the GUI.
3. I don't have a pascal compiler available to me (it could be done though).

I suppose with enough interest by an interested programmer (or group) it could be done.

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I have Irex here, at least version 2.29.

Is Charles Cruden even supporting IRex anymore?

I'm not sure. I know Charles is still in Fidonet but I don't know if folks still register Irex or ask for support.

I registered and used Irex probably 20 years ago and at the time never had any reason to ask Charles for support but he was still releasing updates back then.

It seems quite today in the Irex realm.

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On 2019 May 23 12:28:42, you wrote to Gaylen Hintz:

There's a few things that make me think it won't work on linux.

1. I don't know if Argus was designed to be cross platform (modems).

Argus, Radius and Taurus are all derived frm the same Delphi source code... Delphi is pascal for the most part...

modem support has little to do with cross platform capability...

2. On linux, the source would need GTK or QT to create the GUI.

they're common enough... with the proper tool, pretty transparent, too...

3. I don't have a pascal compiler available to me (it could be done though).

freepascal is only a download away as is the lazarus RAD editor/environment... lazarus can even convert some delphi projects to FP/Laz projects... the first job of porting is to get FP/Laz to compile it... then one can work on porting to *nix...

I suppose with enough interest by an interested programmer (or group)
it could be done.

i started porting one of the above three mailers several years ago but RL got in the way... i started off by manually translating the russian comments to english first, one line at the time... i also have, somewhere around here, partially translated taurus help files using the same technique... at that time, babblefish was the translator to use...

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Re: Irex and Argue
By: Alan Ianson to Charles Stephenson on Wed May 22 2019 12:28 am

Argus is a Windows mailer. It was never released as a linux binary that I know of. The source is available so that might be doable, I'm not sure.

I have Irex here, at least version 2.29.

telnet trmb.ca:2030

Ahh, ok. I'll be over to do some downloading :)

Thanks! :)
Regards,
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Is Charles Cruden even supporting IRex anymore?

Later,
Sean

I would love to upgrade it to the 1k node edition if he accepts money
and ships codes within a week.
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Alan Ianson wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

It seems quite today in the Irex realm.

Charles' system may be in Fidonet but he's not.

Internet Red, like Telegard, died the minute its author graduated college
and started making money. However, Charles can be found if needed. Tim Strike, the author of Telegard, actively avoids his BBSing past. A few
years ago, I tracked down Tim and called him at his work. As soon as I identified myself, Tim hung up on me.

I have heard a bunch of bullshit excuses from both authors about not
releasing their code. Charles, at least, had a good reason: the use of commercial libraries (though that code could be rewritten). Tim bleated
about copyright issues and other trivial things that were, to me, an obvious attempt at pinning the blame on everyone but himself.

So that's why I dropped both products. At least now, if something breaks, I can fix it.

Years ago, in the IREX echo when Charles was still active, I was complaining about a lack of support. He angrily replied to me, offering to give me my registration fee back. I informed him the money was not the point. He immediately disappeared into the ether after that.

I have been supporting my own programs for 21 years now without any issue
but it's never been about the money for me.

Charles' and Tim's actions pointed out where their loyalty lies and it's not with their users.

If I were you, I'd use something else than IRex. Its BinkD and FTP server
are both buggy as hell.

Later,
Sean


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Matthew Munson wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

I would love to upgrade it to the 1k node edition if he accepts money
and ships codes within a week.

Both Internet Rex's BinkD and FTP server are buggy as hell. You'd be better off using something else.

Later,
Sean


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Alan Ianson wrote to Gaylen Hintz <=-

2. On linux, the source would need GTK or QT to create the GUI.

Not unless you used Lazarus (Free Pascal's RAD/GUI environment) to program
it in. Would run under Linux/Win/OS X just fine.

Later,
Sean

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Internet Red, like Telegard, died the minute its author graduated college
and started making money.

Maximus comes to mind too. Thankfully the source for Maximus was released so anyone interested could move that product forward if they could/wanted to.

However, Charles can be found if needed. Tim Strike, the author of
Telegard, actively avoids his BBSing past. A few years ago, I tracked down Tim and called him at his work. As soon as I identified myself, Tim hung up on me.

Tim did what he did with Telegard freely. He never asked anyone for anything. I
think he did awesome things with Telegard and gave it to anyone who wanted to use it.

I have heard a bunch of bullshit excuses from both authors about not releasing their code. Charles, at least, had a good reason: the use of commercial libraries (though that code could be rewritten). Tim bleated about copyright issues and other trivial things that were, to me, an obvious attempt at pinning the blame on everyone but himself.

Those were not trivial issues to Tim. Telegard was a full system when Tim started work on it, it was full of code that was not his and he didn't have the
right or permission to release it.

I don't think the source for Internet Rex or Telegard was ever on the table. It
would be nice if it was but not all software is open source.

So that's why I dropped both products. At least now, if something breaks, I can fix it.

You are in a different boat than I am. I am not a programmer so if I have a problem with software I can only report it. If the software is to be upgraded further it needs to be done by the author of the software whether the source is
available or not.

Years ago, in the IREX echo when Charles was still active, I was complaining about a lack of support. He angrily replied to me, offering to give me my registration fee back. I informed him the money was not the point. He immediately disappeared into the ether after that.

I don't think those who write and support BBS software can ever make enough $$$
from it to make their living supporting it.

In every case of active authors of BBS related software today they do it because they love it. I have and do support authors of shareware and opensource
software.

I have been supporting my own programs for 21 years now without any issue
but it's never been about the money for me.

That is great, it really is. There are few BBS software authors active today so
I encourage you to continue.

Charles' and Tim's actions pointed out where their loyalty lies and it's not with their users.

I hold Charles and Tim in high regard and I think both of them did the best they could.

Also Scott Dudley. I think he was a master of what he was doing. I've hoped over the years that he would find free time to continue to update Maximus and Squish but it never happened.

If I were you, I'd use something else than IRex. Its BinkD and FTP server are both buggy as hell.

I don't use IRex anymore but there are two links here who still use it so I guess it works for them.

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2. On linux, the source would need GTK or QT to create the GUI.

Not unless you used Lazarus (Free Pascal's RAD/GUI environment) to program
it in. Would run under Linux/Win/OS X just fine.

That's cool. I've never heard of RAD/GUI. If that's the case then we can scratch point number 2.

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On 5/26/2019 12:26 PM, Sean Dennis wrote to Matthew Munson:

I would love to upgrade it to the 1k node edition if he accepts money and ships codes within a week.

Both Internet Rex's BinkD and FTP server are buggy as hell. You'd be better off using something else.

Sadly It works well with my bbs software. Im trying to bribe Hector by saying i'll upgrade
my node increase if he made a binkp server for PX.

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Alan Ianson spoke thus to Sean Dennis <=-

If I were you, I'd use something else than IRex. Its BinkD and FTP server are both buggy as hell.

I don't use IRex anymore but there are two links here who still use it
so I guess it works for them.

FWIW, I used Irex for many years with my ProBoard setup and never had any real issues with it for most of my links. I have to admit that some of my linux downlinks though did have problems with it occasionally. I don't know why it was just the linux systems but it was. :(


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Matthew Munson spoke thus to Sean Dennis <=-

-> Both Internet Rex's BinkD and FTP server are buggy as hell. You'd be better

off using something else.

Sadly It works well with my bbs software. Im trying to bribe Hector by saying i'll upgrade
my node increase if he made a binkp server for PX.

I haven't run a board now for over a year but I have to agree with you. Irex worked
fine on my system and as a mail hub I did have a number of nodes to deal with
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On 2019 May 27 14:34:00, you wrote to Alan Ianson:

FWIW, I used Irex for many years with my ProBoard setup and never had
any real issues with it for most of my links. I have to admit that
some of my linux downlinks though did have problems with it
occasionally. I don't know why it was just the linux systems but it
was. :(

the main thing on linux systems was that DNS lookup stuff changed and IREX did not come out with an update to fix that... as a result, IREX on *nix cannot perform DNS lookups on today's *nix systems... that made it a lot harder for operators because they had to manually look up a node's domain in the DNS and put the IP number in the IREX record for that node... when the IP changes, they
have to dance that dance again...

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Alan Ianson wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

Maximus comes to mind too. Thankfully the source for Maximus was
released so anyone interested could move that product forward if they could/wanted to.

Yes and for that Scott is to be lauded. Max was and is a great BBS software
(I might have some bias in that statement).

Tim did what he did with Telegard freely. He never asked anyone for anything.
think he did awesome things with Telegard and gave it to anyone who wanted to use it.

He did give TG a lot of work but there were a lot of things that needed to
be fixed but he refused to fix them. That's why I dropped TG and moved to Maximus.

Those were not trivial issues to Tim. Telegard was a full system when
Tim started work on it, it was full of code that was not his and he
didn't have the right or permission to release it.

If he'd opened the source, a lot of issues could have been fixed
and code could have been rewritten. It was a single person that was complaining about copyright and I think that person is no longer alive.

I don't think the source for Internet Rex or Telegard was ever on the table. It would be nice if it was but not all software is open source.

I agree but it'd be nice if they can fix buggy code. It says something
about one's personal views and standards when they release known buggy code
and then refuse to fix it.

You are in a different boat than I am. I am not a programmer so if I
have a problem with software I can only report it.

I'm not really a programmer when it comes to C. I'm more of a hacker in the traditional sense.

AI >If the software is

to be upgraded further it needs to be done by the author of the
software whether the source is available or not.

Thank you for agreeing with me. :)

I don't think those who write and support BBS software can ever make enough $$$ from it to make their living supporting it.

Yes but when you charge people a fee to use your software they expect a
modicum of service to include bugfixing. I don't charge for my software but
I will immediately fix any bugs if they're found.

In every case of active authors of BBS related software today they do
it because they love it. I have and do support authors of shareware and opensource software.

I have been supporting my own programs for 21 years now without any issue but it's never been about the money for me.

That is great, it really is. There are few BBS software authors active today so I encourage you to continue.

I tend to rattle the bushes sometimes and suddenly a BBS software author
shows back up in the scene...

I hold Charles and Tim in high regard and I think both of them did the best they could.

I did however after private conversations with them, I can't say the same.

Also Scott Dudley. I think he was a master of what he was doing. I've hoped over the years that he would find free time to continue to update Maximus and Squish but it never happened.

I do believe Scott works with Rob Swindell as a device driver developer at Broadcom. I remember Rob saying something about this years (like 20!) ago
but I don't know if it's true anymore.

I don't use IRex anymore but there are two links here who still use it
so I guess it works for them.

MBSE has a special switch in the mail node configuration that will allow me
to force BinkP/1.0 on a node. I do this with Internet Rex and Mystic
systems and it seems to alleviate the issue for me.

One thing that IRex did do quite well was its email server setup for email packet delivery. I haven't use that for years as I prefer to use FTP if a
node can't use BinkP (though MBSE supports ifcico also).

On a side note, you made me think about working on a few new BBS-related programs I've been thinking about. I need to install the Linux subsystem in W10 and install Debian into it. Just finding time to get all of the stuff
done I want...

Later,
Sean


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Alan Ianson wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

Not unless you used Lazarus (Free Pascal's RAD/GUI environment) to program it in. Would run under Linux/Win/OS X just fine.

That's cool. I've never heard of RAD/GUI. If that's the case then we
can scratch point number 2.

RAD: Rapid Application Deployment
GUI: Graphical User Interface

I don't use Lazarus that much because a lot of the software I write I port
to DOS and OS/2 (on which Lazarus can't run) so I've not used it much but there's a lot of good software that uses Lazarus.

Fun fact: Skype was originally written in Delphi (object-oriented Pascal for Windows, like Lazarus/Free Pascal). Microsoft's since ported it to C# after purchasing Skype.

Later,
Sean

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Matthew Munson wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

Sadly It works well with my bbs software. Im trying to bribe Hector by saying i'll upgrade my node increase if he made a binkp server for PX.

It shouldn't be too hard for him to do since the original BinkD is open
source.

Later,
Sean


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mark lewis wrote to Gaylen Hintz <=-

the main thing on linux systems was that DNS lookup stuff changed and
IREX did not come out with an update to fix that... as a result, IREX
on *nix cannot perform DNS lookups on today's *nix systems... that made
it a lot harder for operators because they had to manually look up a node's domain in the DNS and put the IP number in the IREX record for
that node... when the IP changes, they have to dance that dance
again...

I remember that issue now.

You could also get around that using resolv.conf too.

Later,
Sean


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Re: Re: Irex and Argue
By: Sean Dennis to Alan Ianson on Wed May 29 2019 03:44 pm

I do believe Scott works with Rob Swindell as a device driver developer at Broadcom. I remember Rob saying something about this years (like 20!) ago but I don't know if it's true anymore.

Neither of us work at Broadcom any more (to my knowledge). Scott wasn't there very long after I met him back in 2001 (?).

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mark lewis spoke thus to Gaylen Hintz <=-

the main thing on linux systems was that DNS lookup stuff changed and
IREX did not come out with an update to fix that... as a result, IREX

ah yes, that would create problems for Irex users and connections with those linux systems.

on *nix cannot perform DNS lookups on today's *nix systems... that made
it a lot harder for operators because they had to manually look up a node's domain in the DNS and put the IP number in the IREX record for
that node... when the IP changes, they have to dance that dance
again...

bummer! Maybe I got out at the right time. :) Well to be honest I was running Mystic the last year of two that I actually had a board.


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Does anyone know where to find IRex and Argus for Linux? Google's links for it are broken...
Regards,
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