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    From Jeffrey Brace@3:770/3 to Rber...@iglou.Com on Sunday, September 27, 2020 12:02:00
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    most crossposted crud I can think of. STOP IT.
    Moreover, it s a waste of time for you, because if I don't approve
    the post, or any of the other moderators, it won't appear in any of the other groups you've crossposted to either. And we're not going to strip the c.b.c group and and repost it for you. It's not our job.
    The problem is now of such an extent that c.b.c no longer accepts crossposts, even if they *are* on-topic. Sorry. See section 2.1.1.

    * Mass post or autopost. In the past six months or so I have had two incidences of nearly several hundred megabytes of warez end up in my mailbox with more on the way, to the point where I had to complain to the offender's ISP to get them to stop before my server's mail spool got overrun.
    Not only is this unspeakably rude and impossible to process in a
    timely fashion, but it also can cause denial of service problems for moderators' ISPs and systems. Do NOT load your programs into an autoposter
    and let your program blast us on autopilot. Do NOT pack everything into a gigantic archive and bolus us at 5 gigs a post. If we can't contact you to
    turn it off, we *will* make sure you're disconnected one way or another.
    Please don't forget there's a human being looking at every post you send,
    and that not everyone's hard disk is as big as yours.

    * Use a hopelessly munged address. We're a fairly astute bunch of
    guys, and most mail munges are creative enough to be bot-foolers but still humanly decipherable, and we have no problem with munging per se. (Heck, I
    used to regularly munge mine.) However, we have received submissions from "G@RT" (actual from address) that we needed more information on. Guess what, bucko? Into the bit bucket. If we can't contact you about your post, we will reject it.

    * Bite your nails. Don't do it, it's a nasty habit and you look funny gnawing on them like that.

    2. Talking to c.b.c

    2.1 How to post

    2.1.1 The anti-spam bot

    In days gone by, the c.b.c moderator job had become increasingly difficult because of large amounts of spam to both the group and to the submission addresses, as well as large and frequently lengthy and repeated crossposts
    to groups where things should not be crossposted. This has meant many mod mailbox overflows and many ruined keyboards bouncing on whatever delete
    key is defined.

    Seriously, it really has been a problem, and only because of the magnitude
    have more drastic options been applied.

    On August 1, 2005, this policy went into effect (which is also given in the mini-FAQ). To successfully submit a formal submission or a question through
    the request address, your post or E-mail:

    - MUST HAVE: either the words 'commodore' or 'comp.binaries.cbm',
    spelled correctly, in upper/lower case, in either your MESSAGE BODY,
    MESSAGE SUBJECT, or both. No other headers will qualify. Odds are
    your message contains these key terms already! If it doesn't, it
    will be silently DELETED.

    ** Simply having comp.binaries.cbm in the Newsgroups: header is not enough! **

    - MUST -NOT- HAVE: newsgroups *other* than comp.binaries.cbm in the
    Newsgroups: header, if one exists. If you crosspost, it will be
    silently DELETED. (If you do not have a Newsgroups: header, then
    the first rule applies.)

    I'm sorry about the onerousness of the requirements, but they are a needed measure to keep c.b.c running smoothly, and most legitimate submissions
    should not be affected by this policy. Please note that messages that are trapped by the anti-spam filter do not reach the moderator, so we will not
    see them if your post fails any of these conditions.

    2.1.2 How to post by newsreader (MOST preferred)

    Simply point your newsreader to comp.binaries.cbm and post your document.
    You should refer to your newsreader for the appropriate documentation. Make sure it is uuencoded -- raw binaries never make it, and yEnc or MIME may be eaten by our pre-processing bots.

    What will happen is that your post will be sent by UUnet to the moderators,
    who will then review it. This method is most preferred because mailreaders screw around with mail they send, particularly MIME-enabled mailers. Most newsreaders don't. See above for the rest of the process.

    Please remember that your posts are pre-filtered! Read section 2.1.1.

    2.1.3 How to post by mail

    While we don't really encourage this, people do have trouble posting through Usenet, especially if your only access is through Google Groups or the like.
    If you really can't post by news, send your document to:


    which is a mail alias maintained by Cameron Kaiser. If you use a
    MIME-enabled mailer, DO NOT UUENCODE IT BECAUSE THE MAILER EATS IT! In this case, and this case only, SEND IT AS AN ATTACHMENT. If the mailer is not MIME-enabled, like mailx or many Elm versions, send uuencoded files as

    | Even if you subscribe to Spiro's mailing list (1.1.4), you can't submit
    | through it as posts do not enter the c.b.c moderation stream (and the
    | list is configured to block posts except from administrators anyway). Use
    | the submission address above instead.

    As a point of clarity, if you intend to send your program as an attachment,
    do NOT uuencode the program and send the *uucode* as the attachment. SEND
    THE BINARY ITSELF! Also, try to give the attachment a semi-descriptive name.
    We often strip out attachments in one big bunch, and a whole lot of similar looking files makes it tough to match files with posts.

    CompuServe seems to be problematic with uuencoded attachments. If you can
    use 'NewMail', please do so. If you can't, please alert the moderators in
    the message body that you're using CompuServe OldMail and we will try to
    rescue the post. (Thanks to John Iannetta.)

    Please remember that your posts are pre-filtered! Read section 2.1.1.

    2.2 Contacts

    As mentioned, it is better to mail the moderators collectively. Posting
    will have the same effect as mailing, but it's better to mail because we
    can differentiate between the two.

    The alias


    will send to all members of the moderation team, including me.

    If you wish to contact me personally regarding the FAQ or the large check you'll send me or the attractive, unmarried sister you have, send mail to


    and I promise to ignore it for as long as I can, unless I really like your sister or the check is good.

    John Iannetta has promised me an attractive sister, but I think someone at
    | Federal Express routed the crate to the Sultan of Brunei. Spiro Trikaliotis
    | has not sent me one yet.

    2.3 Troubleshooting

    2.3.1 'My post was approved, but it hasn't appeared yet'

    If you know that we approved your post, there are several reasons why it
    hasn't appeared yet. The only reason under our control is that we simply haven't injected it into the Usenet stream yet.

    Normally, we post things as soon as we approve them, just to get them out of our hair, so most of the time these reasons below apply. In such cases,
    there's no one you can blame, unless you have contacts at WorldCom. Usenet
    is a very haphazard mishmash, so patience is a true virtue. Consider:

    * Your ISP's newsfeed is behind. If your ISP does not have a 24/7 NNTP
    connection, it could take up to a few days for it to percolate your way.

    * Bad Usenet routing. Some computer between us and you burped or did a nasty
    thing. Either way, the post is the immediate victim. Have patience -- it
    should start propagating with the computer's imminent resurrection.

    * Our ISP stream is queuing up. I use Newscene, which is a pretty reliable
    Usenet injection point. Some moderators might use smaller ISPs that don't
    have a 24/7 NNTP feed, and so the actual injection step might be delayed. 'I post over and over, but you say my post never gets to you'

    If you are crossposting your message, it will be deleted by our
    pre-processor bot long before it ever gets to us. Furthermore, if you do
    not include certain keywords in your messagebody or subject, the bot will
    also eat them. Read section 2.1.1. It's not very hard, and a single tweak
    will fix it. Sorry. Blame the spammers and bot posters for that.

    If you've already done that and it still won't work, another issue is that certain news sites with semi-morons for news administrators do not properly mark comp.binaries.cbm as a moderated newsgroup. When your news server is not aware that c.b.c is moderated, it will post the message as if it were an unmoderated group, and pass it to another server. When it gets to a server
    that knows c.b.c is moderated and this server sees that your message doesn't have the proper credentials, it will silently drop it. End result: the moderators don't get your post, and your post goes to the great bitbucket in the sky.

    There are two (well, two and a half) ways to fix this:

    * Mail your post all the time. Easier, but gets annoying.

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