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    From Alexander Koryagin@2:221/360 to All on Saturday, July 27, 2019 11:22:16
    Hi, ALL!

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49134585
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    Kam McLeod, 19, and Bryer Schmegelsky, 18, were last seen near the remote northern community of Gillam, Manitoba.

    More than three dozen officers descended onto the tiny town, believing they were hiding in the woods.

    Police now say the pair may have been helped by a civilian who did not recognise them to leave the area.
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    I somehow don't understand the last sentence.

    "The pair may have been helped by a civilian who did not recognise them to leave the area".

    Bye, ALL!
    Alexander Koryagin

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  • From Anton Shepelev@2:221/360 to Alexander Koryagin on Saturday, July 27, 2019 14:32:06
    Alexander Koryagin:

    I somehow don't understand the last sentence.

    "The pair may have been helped by a civilian who did not
    recognise them to leave the area".

    It is possible that a civillian who did not recognise them
    (as criminals) has helpled them to leave the area
    (unnoticed).

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  • From Anton Shepelev@2:221/360 to Mike Powell on Sunday, July 28, 2019 13:47:34
    Mike Powell to Alexander Koryagin:

    "The pair may have been helped by a civilian who did
    not recognise them to leave the area".

    It is very oddly worded. It would make more sense as:

    "The pair may have been helped by a civilian, who did
    not recognise them, to leave the area." (OK)

    I agree that the lack of commas is confusing, but there
    presense is even worse, for it turns a restrictive clause
    into a parenthetical one.

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  • From Anton Shepelev@2:221/360 to Anton Shepelev on Sunday, July 28, 2019 16:47:34
    I wrote:

    I agree that the lack of commas is confusing, but there
    presense is even worse,

    their presence.

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  • From Alexander Koryagin@2:221/360 to Mike Powell on Sunday, July 28, 2019 19:56:38
    Hi, Mike Powell!
    I read your message from 28.07.2019 03:22

    I somehow don't understand the last sentence.

    "The pair may have been helped by a civilian who did not recognise
    them to leave the area".

    It is very oddly worded. It would make more sense as:

    "The pair may have been helped by a civilian, who did not recognise
    them, to leave the area." (OK)

    Although, as I read it in a punctuation textbook, we can embrace words with commas only in case if the words are not necessary for understanding of the sentence (they are nonessential elements). But in this case the words "who did not recognise them" are essential.

    "The pair may have been helped to leave the area by a civilian who
    did not recognise them." (better, in my opinion)

    Yeah, and I think any Russian would write it like this. :)


    PS: Anton, thanks to you, too.

    Bye, Mike!
    Alexander Koryagin
    english_tutor 2019

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ALEXANDER KORYAGIN on Sunday, July 28, 2019 19:17:00
    "The pair may have been helped to leave the area by a civilian who
    did not recognise them." (better, in my opinion)

    Yeah, and I think any Russian would write it like this. :)


    I am not a Russian and I would write it like that also. :)

    Mike

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ANTON SHEPELEV on Sunday, July 28, 2019 19:20:00
    I agree that the lack of commas is confusing, but there
    presense is even worse, for it turns a restrictive clause
    into a parenthetical one.

    I preferred my second phrasing of it for sure. Thanks!

    Mike

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ALEXANDER KORYAGIN on Saturday, July 27, 2019 20:22:00
    I somehow don't understand the last sentence.

    "The pair may have been helped by a civilian who did not recognise them to leave the area".

    It is very oddly worded. It would make more sense as:

    "The pair may have been helped by a civilian, who did not recognise them,
    to leave the area." (OK)

    "The pair may have been helped to leave the area by a civilian who did not recognise them." (better, in my opinion)

    Their photos have been all over reports here in the states, so I assume
    there have also been plenty of photos with Canadian reports also. Whoever helped them was likely innocent of knowning they were fugatives from the
    law.

    Mike

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