Hundreds of Millions of dollars being provided to foreign countries.

Is that all? Belgium spends 2.3 billion (that's a "B") US$ annually on development in poor countries. Other countries do the same ... Promoting international trade, exporting education, helping people, globol cooperation is the only way to peace ... not the export of war and war materials as the US does.

If the U.S. did not get involved in WW2, today would of been vastly
different, and not in a good way.

. ______
_()_||__||
( Gregory |
/-OO-----OO'

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If the U.S. did not get involved in WW2, today would of been vastly different, and not in a good way.

1) Nazi Germany would have lost anyway. They lost the Battle of England and
the Battle of the Atlantic way before Pearl Harbor. After Stalingrad
the Russians had the Germans running full speed in a westerly direction.

2) After Pearl Harbor the US had no option but to become involved, at least
in the pacific.

\%/@rd

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On 31 Jan 2019, Ward Dossche said the following...

If the U.S. did not get involved in WW2, today would of been vastly different, and not in a good way.

1) Nazi Germany would have lost anyway. They lost the Battle of England and the Battle of the Atlantic way before Pearl Harbor. After Stalingrad
the Russians had the Germans running full speed in a westerly direction.
2) After Pearl Harbor the US had no option but to become involved, at least in the pacific.

I am not convinced Hitler would of lost, if he concentrated his efforts to
the east only, it is conceivable that he would of had a very different
outcome.

The Germans were and still are today technological advanced.
Several world firsts,
First Rocket, First Jet Engine. If only he listened more to his Generals, but another he had another German trait -stubbornness.

. ______
_()_||__||
( Gregory |
/-OO-----OO'

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I am not convinced Hitler would of lost, if he concentrated his efforts
to the east only, it is conceivable that he would of had a very different outcome.

Historical data contradict this.

Nazi Germany was successful in WW2 only then when they could move forward with short concentrated bursts of power, Blitzkrieg, but not sustained campaigns because from day-1 they had a shortage of resource ... mainly oil, minerals and
iron ore. Without capturing Great Britain thereby depriving its enemies from a
stronghold to mount an attack against Fortress Europe as he called it, the best thing for him to hope for was a negotiated truce ... which would never happen.

They had lost the war in the air for Britain and through some unfortunate mishaps saw their surface fleet reduced to "insignificant". Plus they lost the submarine war too.

The Germans were and still are today technological advanced.
Several world firsts,
First Rocket, First Jet Engine. If only he listened more to his Generals, but another he had another German trait -stubbornness.

You seem to think he was quite a guy ...

\%/@rd

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PATH: 292/854 280/464 770/1 393/68 229/426 292/854

And another blasted idiot with seen-by stripping ...

\%/@rd

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The Germans were and still are today technological advanced.
Several world firsts,
First Rocket, First Jet Engine. If only he listened more to his Genera but another he had another German trait -stubbornness.

You seem to think he was quite a guy ...

No not at all it is possible at least for me to have understanding for one's love of country and yet be critical of the wrong choices that were made.

. ______
_()_||__||
( Gregory |
/-OO-----OO'

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Hello Ward!

01 Feb 19 13:16, Ward Dossche wrote to Gregory Deyss:

They had lost the war in the air for Britain and through some
unfortunate mishaps saw their surface fleet reduced to
"insignificant". Plus they lost the submarine war too.

They also lost the North African scenario (partly because they "forgot" to capture Malta). If that hadn't happened, there would probably have been easy access to oil in the Middle East.


Regards,
Gerrit

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Hello Ward!

01 Feb 19 13:16, Ward Dossche wrote to Gregory Deyss:

You seem to think he was quite a guy ...

Hitler wasn't even German, and he was only able to acquire his citizenship in 1932 (in a very questionable way) after numerous failed attempts over several years... you may very well call him an illegal immigrant.


Regards,
Gerrit

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Hello Greg,

Hundreds of Millions of dollars being provided to foreign

countries.

Is that all? Belgium spends 2.3 billion (that's a "B") US$ annually

on

development in poor countries. Other countries do the same ...

Promoting

international trade, exporting education, helping people, globol
cooperation is the only way to peace ... not the export of war and

war

materials as the US does.

If the U.S. did not get involved in WW2, today would of been vastly different, and not in a good way.

What makes you think that?

Hitler would have left us alone.
Huey P. Long would have defeated FDR.
People in Louisiana would still be speaking French.
And Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson would be President of the US.

--Lee

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Hello Ward,

If the U.S. did not get involved in WW2, today would of been vastly
different, and not in a good way.

1 )Nazi Germany would have lost anyway. They lost the Battle of England

and

the Battle of the Atlantic way before Pearl Harbor. After Stalingrad
the Russians had the Germans running full speed in a westerly

direction.

Wishful thinking. Germany came close, very close, to winning.
Winston Churchill expected England to fall. The siege of Stalingrad
was not successful only due to freakish weather saving the Soviets.
The US was only active along a 400 mile front in Europe, and was
not a major factor as it was late in the war.

2) After Pearl Harbor the US had no option but to become involved, at

least

in the pacific.

Again, the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor was a warning, as it
was only a small attack on a military base in a US territory, not
on the US mainland. The normal response would have been for the
US to do nothing, except accept Japan's wish to exert its own
influence in the western Pacific.

Could the US have chosen to do nothing, staying out of Europe
and the Pacific? That would have suited Charles Lindbergh and
others just fine. FDR could have run out of office, and some
other politician put in his place, such as Huey P. Long. The
US has a history of isolationism, and such was the case just
prior to WWII.

With events playing out in Syria and Venezuela, what do you
think US President Donald Trump will do? Whatever Russian
President Vladimir Putin wants him to do. How well do you think
that will go with the American voting public when Russia invades
Ukraine? Or the Baltic states? Or Scandinavia?

Donald Johann Drumpf is the real Euro socialist pacifist shit
pig pussy in the room. Remember, you heard it here first.

--Lee

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Re: Re: Those damn Euro socialist pacifist shit pig pussies
By: Gerrit Kuehn to Ward Dossche on Fri Feb 01 2019 02:09 pm

They also lost the North African scenario (partly because they "forgot" to capture Malta). If that hadn't happened, there would probably have been easy access to oil in the Middle East.

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Hi Ward,

On 2019-02-01 14:59:40, you wrote to All:

PATH: 292/854 280/464 770/1 393/68 229/426 292/854

And another blasted idiot with seen-by stripping ...

Why are you bringing this up again? This was recently discussed.

We already know:

- 770/1 strips seenby's
- He can't help it, because it's hard coded in fastecho.
- It doesn't cause any problems, just some extra redundancy in the fidoweb.
- d'Bridge isn't detecting these as dupes, otherwise you wouldn't have seen them. So get that fixed.


Bye, Wilfred.

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Gerrit,

They also lost the North African scenario (partly because they "forgot"
to capture Malta). If that hadn't happened, there would probably have
been easy access to oil in the Middle East.

Hmmm ... I think those supply lines would have been awfully long and tricky.

\%/@rd

--- D'Bridge 3.99 SR41
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Wilfred,

- 770/1 strips seenby's
- He can't help it, because it's hard coded in fastecho.

Amazing that we need to adapt our operations to squeaky software such as Fastecho. It should not be used in a system gating echoes across a zone border.

By linking to it, you are contributing to the issue.

- d'Bridge isn't detecting these as dupes, otherwise you wouldn't have
seen them. So get that fixed.

Your fixation of crapping on D'Bridge is reaching enormous proportions.

For your information, it has circular path detection built in, noy just activated here.

Paul Hayton should fix his system or get someone to fix Fastecho.

\%/@rd

--- D'Bridge 3.99 SR41
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02 Feb 19 07:13, Ward Dossche wrote to Wilfred van Velzen:

- d'Bridge isn't detecting these as dupes, otherwise you wouldn't have
seen them. So get that fixed.

For your information, it has circular path detection built in, noy just activated here.

Then turn CPD on, and stop whining about seenby stripping.

Fastecho is still a damn good tosser after 20 years. The only bad thing is the forced IZ seenby strip thing, but it only produces some dupes which can be taken care of the other fidoweb nodes.

'Tommi

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Hello Ward!

02 Feb 19 07:13, you wrote to Wilfred van Velzen:

- 770/1 strips seenby's
- He can't help it, because it's hard coded in fastecho.

Amazing that we need to adapt our operations to squeaky software such
as Fastecho. It should not be used in a system gating echoes across a
zone border.

That's why I adjusted my topology to handle cross-zone connections on my MBSE system, which I added the ability to disable seenby stripping to.

Andrew

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Then turn CPD on, and stop whining about seenby stripping.

Do you have relatives in the Netherlands?

Fastecho is still a damn good tosser after 20 years. The only bad thing
is the forced IZ seenby strip thing, but it only produces some dupes
which can be taken care of the other fidoweb nodes.

Forced seen-by stripping lands it immediately into the "khrap"-category.

I take the liberty to moan whenever I see the need to it as I daily need to deal with:

* Ghost-entries from long-time ago expired nodes
* Entries which are being left in the nodelist as a monument to an expired
sysop
* RCs who cannot handle "any" region-segment producing tool
* RCs who simply do not respond and can only be reached by LinkedIn
* RCs who send in the region-segment by Facebook attach
* RCs who only write in their native language ("thank you" Google Translate)
* A totally absent ZC and his zone is not dealing with it (so I've kept his
segment up-to-date instead)
* Moronic entries in the nodelist
* An RC who constantly thinks he's at war
* An RC who probably is senile, but because I don't know him personally I
cannot confirm.

And if you think it's better elsewhere, just talk to ZC1 and he'll also tell you some horror-stories.

So, yes, I'll keep moaning because not enough people still care to keep this thing moving.

Enjoy the week-end,

\%/@rd

--- D'Bridge 3.99 SR41
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Hi Ward,

On 2019-02-02 07:13:37, you wrote to me:

- 770/1 strips seenby's
- He can't help it, because it's hard coded in fastecho.

Amazing that we need to adapt our operations to squeaky software such as Fastecho. It should not be used in a system gating echoes across a zone border.

By linking to it, you are contributing to the issue.

There is no issue. It only creates a few dupes. We want dupes in the fidoweb, and most systems have no problem dealing with them.

Bye, Wilfred.

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On 01 Feb 2019, Gerrit Kuehn said the following...

Hello Ward!

01 Feb 19 13:16, Ward Dossche wrote to Gregory Deyss:

You seem to think he was quite a guy ...

Hitler wasn't even German, and he was only able to acquire his
citizenship in 1932 (in a very questionable way) after numerous failed attempts over several years... you may very well call him an illegal immigrant.

Right, he was Austrian.

. ______
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( Gregory |
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Ward Dossche wrote to Wilfred van Velzen <=-

- d'Bridge isn't detecting these as dupes, otherwise you wouldn't have seen them. So get that fixed.

Your fixation of crapping on D'Bridge is reaching enormous
proportions.

You mean, kinda like your obsession/fixation with bashing the USA and
it's President? Like that?

For your information, it has circular path detection built in,
noy just activated here.

Well, that ("not activated") seems like a pretty dumb mistake, eh?

The REAL question here is what does either D'Bridge or USA/Trump
have to do with this echo's topic of *FIDONEWS*?


... Ignorance can be cured. Stupid is forever.
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Hi Ward.

02 Feb 19 11:00, you wrote to me:

Then turn CPD on, and stop whining about seenby stripping.

Do you have relatives in the Netherlands?

Did you turn the CPD on?

'Tommi

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Hello Gregory!

02 Feb 19 09:43, Gregory Deyss wrote to Gerrit Kuehn:

Hitler wasn't even German, and he was only able to acquire his
citizenship in 1932 (in a very questionable way) after numerous
failed attempts over several years... you may very well call him an
illegal immigrant.

Right, he was Austrian.

Not at that time. He gave up his Austrian citizenship in 1925. From there on he
was stateless.


Regards,
Gerrit

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On 2019 Feb 02 07:13:36, you wrote to Wilfred van Velzen:

- 770/1 strips seenby's
- He can't help it, because it's hard coded in fastecho.

Amazing that we need to adapt our operations to squeaky software such as Fastecho. It should not be used in a system gating echoes across a zone border.

bite your tongue... FE has been used in fidonet for decades and there was never
a problem with it following standard practise... in fact, FE is/was not the only tosser to specifically strip seenbys on zone-crossing messages... that stripping was absolutely needed for full propogation because nets could easily be duplicated between zones... the fido-web breaking long-standing fidonet practise is a whole other discussion...

)\/(ark

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On 2019 Feb 02 11:00:30, you wrote to Tommi Koivula:

Fastecho is still a damn good tosser after 20 years. The only bad thing
is the forced IZ seenby strip thing, but it only produces some dupes
which can be taken care of the other fidoweb nodes.

Forced seen-by stripping lands it immediately into the "khrap"-category.

that's your opinion and we all know what that means ;)

)\/(ark

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Wilfred,

By linking to it, you are contributing to the issue.

There is no issue. It only creates a few dupes. We want dupes in the fidoweb, and most systems have no problem dealing with them.

It "is" an issue.

People should not go out of their way to circumvent it.

If there's someone with the code, it can be solved.

If the code is a goner, too bad then. It's obsolete ...

\%/@rd

--- D'Bridge 3.99 SR41
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You mean, kinda like your obsession/fixation with bashing the USA and
it's President? Like that?

Me? Bashing the USA? On which planet have you been living?

The REAL question here is what does either D'Bridge or USA/Trump
have to do with this echo's topic of *FIDONEWS*?

Neither of these were brought here into the equation by me. The former was by Wilfred, the latter by you.

\%/@rd

--- D'Bridge 3.99 SR41
* Origin: Ceci n'est pas un courriel (2:292/854)

Mark,

Forced seen-by stripping lands it immediately into the

"khrap"-category.

that's your opinion and we all know what that means ;)

From my Montana friends I learned the phrase "Everyone has an opinion, just like they do have an arse".

\%/@rd

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Re: Re: Those damn Euro socialist pacifist shit pig pussies
By: Ward Dossche to mark lewis on Sat Feb 02 2019 21:38:20

Forced seen-by stripping lands it immediately into the
"khrap"-category.

that's your opinion and we all know what that means ;)

From my Montana friends I learned the phrase "Everyone has an
opinion, just like they do have an arse".

exactly what i'm saying...


)\/(ark
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Ward Dossche wrote to Dan Clough <=-

You mean, kinda like your obsession/fixation with bashing the USA and
it's President? Like that?

Me? Bashing the USA? On which planet have you been living?

Oh, please. That's about the ONLY thing you write about in here. Just
go back and look at the last 200 messages or so, and see how many times
you do it. Did you forget? Or...are you just trying to divert/distract
from something you know is exactly true? Gimme a break.

The REAL question here is what does either D'Bridge or USA/Trump
have to do with this echo's topic of *FIDONEWS*?

Neither of these were brought here into the equation by me. The
former was by Wilfred, the latter by you.

The issue isn't who brought them here. It's how you *KEEP* *ON* replying, incessantly, to them, basically repeating the same old tired bullshit over
and over again.

Go back and look. Just about every message you write has something bad to
say about how we do things here in the USA, and/or about Trump.

Why do you care? You're not a US citizen, right? Why are you so obsessed
with how we do things here? How about you mind your own business, and your
own country's issues. We'll take care of ourselves just fine.


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Dan,

You mean, kinda like your obsession/fixation with bashing the USA
and it's President? Like that?

Me? Bashing the USA? On which planet have you been living?

Oh, please. That's about the ONLY thing you write about in here. Just
go back and look at the last 200 messages or so, and see how many times
you do it.

I went back 200 messages as you suggested and didn't find a single USA-bashing from my pen.

Why do you care? You're not a US citizen, right?

Because when the USA farts, it affects the rest of the world.

We'll take care of ourselves just fine.

Well, even on that I'll entertain different views ... at least until perhaps Jan.20th 2021.

Enjoy the remainder of the week-end.

\%/@rd

--- D'Bridge 3.99 SR41
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Hello mark,

bite your tongue... FE has been used in fidonet for decades and there
was never a problem with it following standard practise... in fact, FE is/was not the only tosser to specifically strip seenbys on zone-
crossing messages... that stripping was absolutely needed for full propogation because nets could easily be duplicated between zones...

That was necessarry until some years ago.
Nowadays there are no duplicated Node numbers in more Zones,
they are all unique, so SeenBye stripping is not needed anymore.

With the FidoWeb every node should stop stripping SeenBye's,
because of the multiple links, that's current practise for years now.

the fido-web breaking long-standing fidonet practise is a whole other discussion...

When the tide changes (i.e. BackBone versus FidoWeb),
the deepsea markers are moved too *).
So patch FE, or start using an other mail-tosser/scanner.
Or if you do not want that, use only one UpLink for specific echo's.

*) In The Netherlands we build and distribute a new ECDIS chart every week
for the sea- and inland waters in the province of Zeeland between
Rotterdam and Antwerp in Belgium.

Henri.

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Hello Gregory!

30 Jan 19 22:44, you wrote to me:

I admit, I was somewhat excited when I first heard about that,
until I heard that Buzzfeed broke the story. At that point I
stressed caution to my more liberal, outspoken friends, as I
didn't really trust a "news organization" built on the backs of
people clicking "Which Harry Potter Character Should You Marry?"
quizzes.

What did your liberal friends have to say once it was discovered that
the story was wrong?

Most acknowledged it with a "damn you, Buzzfeed" and moved on.

Trump had 2 years of a republican house and a republican senate
and managed to pass tax cuts for the wealthy and ... what else?
He had little to do with the economy, as that was on an upward
trend already (and by all indications is starting to taper off
due to tarrifs, trade wars and uncertainty due to his reactionary
nature).

Unemployment is far better now than it has been in 50+ years.

False. Unemployment was around the same in 2000. It was lower 1967-69.

For a full robust list of the Presidents accomplishments / for your viewing pleasure you can visit magapill.com

I just perused that page. most of those are not "accomplishments".

Tariffs are necessary, unbalanced and unfair trade needs to be
corrected. Previous administrations did nearly nothing to fix this,
until now.

You believe this becasue Trump told you, right? It's not true. Tarrifs are immediately passed on to consumers. They're devistating to the local economy when placed on the most basic of products and neccisities.

The democrats are becoming irreverent, just stay tuned as to what
happens next.

Many things that Republicans consider "important" deserve irreverance, because
they're just plain stupid.

It's just payback for the last 6 years of Obama's Presidency,
when the Republicans refused to do anything at all. At least the
Democrats are trying to work with Trump by offering him real
border security solutions.

Payback? Are these children? Nic Nak poly wak give the dog a bone.
It's time to work together instead of finding new ways of opposing one another. This is what created Trump and this is why he won.

Congress has under a 20% approval rating, and has since the Republicans became
the party of obstruction in 2010. So yes, I'd bet 80% of the people in the Legislative branch are petulant children. Now, because you have a Republican president you need to "work together" but during the last 6 years of Obama's presidency it was "obstruction above all else", right?

How can you have real border security solutions without a wall. If
there is any logic to this, then these nay sayers can and should begin
at once to eliminate the walls that currently exist around their
lavish homes. To do otherwise is hypocritical.

I have a nice home. I have a privacy fence. It's not to keep people out, it's
to keep my dogs in. most people I know that fence their yards are doing so to
either keep pets in, or becasue they want privacy in their yard. Most "Lavish
houses" don't actually have walls, and if they do, they're not full barriers because the owners know what the rest of us do: They don't work to keep people out.


Mike


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Trump had 2 years of a republican house and a republican senate
and managed to pass tax cuts for the wealthy and ... what else?
He had little to do with the economy, as that was on an upward
trend already (and by all indications is starting to taper off
due to tarrifs, trade wars and uncertainty due to his reactionary
nature).

Most believe as I do he has played a bigger then folks on the left care to admit.

I Remember the Obama years too, I actually voted for him the first time.
The second time - not so much. Things were pretty dismal, but don't take my word on it. President Obama conveyed this with his statement.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=DuhXkCF-L2E

punchline 0:58 seconds into the video

Dignity restored on multiple fronts, with the election of Donald J. Trump.

Unemployment is far better now than it has been in 50+ years.

False. Unemployment was around the same in 2000. It was lower 1967-69.

If that was the case the Johnson Administration and every one since would of used this as accomplishment, none have. Until now.

For a full robust list of the Presidents accomplishments / for your viewing pleasure you can visit magapill.com

I just perused that page. most of those are not "accomplishments".

Obama years of shame
Lou Dobbs says it best.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sr0Tee0YA4s

Tariffs are necessary, unbalanced and unfair trade needs to be corrected. Previous administrations did nearly nothing to fix this, until now.

You believe this becasue Trump told you, right? It's not true. Tarrifs are immediately passed on to consumers. They're devistating to the local economy when placed on the most basic of products and neccisities.

I believe it because it's true, as it is all connected, trade, manufacturing and those American Jobs that are lost due to unfair trade practices.
Trump was also talking about talking about currency manipulations which is
not good in the realm of fairness.

It's just payback for the last 6 years of Obama's Presidency,
when the Republicans refused to do anything at all. At least the
Democrats are trying to work with Trump by offering him real
border security solutions.

Republicans controlled the purse strings and did not do very much with it.

How can you have real border security solutions without a wall. If there is any logic to this, then these nay sayers can and should begi at once to eliminate the walls that currently exist around their lavish homes. To do otherwise is hypocritical.

I have a nice home. I have a privacy fence. It's not to keep people
out, it's to keep my dogs in.

Additionally, it doubles from people, who do not belong from being eaten.

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