We choose to change the Policy4 before its 30th birthday at 9 June 2019 and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we
are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win, and the others, too.

Well if we could go to the moon, so why not? 8-)


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We choose to change the Policy4 before its 30th birthday at 9 June
2019 and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best
of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win, and the others, too.

Again, know your classics ... I belong to that generation...

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Hello Bj�rn,

We choose to change the Policy4 before its 30th birthday at 9 June 2019 and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard, because that goal will serve to organize and measure the best of our energies and skills, because that challenge is one that we are willing to accept, one we are unwilling to postpone, and one which we intend to win, and the others, too.

Well if we could go to the moon, so why not? 8-)

"Why does Rice play Texas?" ~JFK (in same speech, in Houston TX)

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Again, know your classics ... I belong to that generation...

As I'm sure you know that I do. I too belong to that generation...



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Hello Björn,

What will we find, if anything, if we ever do manage
to actually get there? Seems to be a big "if", given
Neil Armstrong's account as to what he had seen.

Well if we could go to the moon, so why not? 8-)

Neil Armstrong (allegedly the first man on the Moon) is
rumored to have disclosed his account of what he and "Buzz"
Aldrin saw to an unnamed college professor during a NASA
symposium.

Professor: What really happened out there with Apollo 11?

Armstrong: It was incredible … of course, we had always known there
was a possibility … the fact is, we were warned off. There was never
any questions then of a space station or a moon city.

Professor: How do you mean “warned off”?

Armstrong: I can’t go into details, except to say that their
ships were far superior to ours both in size and technology –
boy, where they big! … and menacing …. No, there is no question
of a space station.

Professor: But NASA had other missions after Apollo 11?

Armstrong: Naturally – NASA was committed at that time, and
couldn’t risk a panic on earth…. But it really was a quick scoop
and back again.

[multiple sources around the internet]

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Hi! Lee,

On 06 Apr 19 02:30, you wrote to Bj�rn Felten:

[multiple sources around the internet]

Nigerian scammers' source(s), with the same 92% spelling & grammatical error rate.

Cheers,
Paul.

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Well if we could go to the moon, so why not? 8-)

Neil Armstrong (allegedly the first man on the Moon) is
rumored to have disclosed his account of what he and "Buzz"
Aldrin saw to an unnamed college professor during a NASA
symposium.

When I say "we" I choose to regard the NASA accomplishment to be a universal
one, even though a lot of international scientists (including some nazi escapees) were involved.

But don't you ever forget that the entire planet took pride in what the US tax payers footed the bill for.

Without that huge bill, we would probably still barely be having pocket calculators and still be having rotary dial phones over copper wires.

All of the recent NASA adventures are still totally awesome. You should be proud of what your country has achieved rather than denying it!

http://tinyurl.com/ycj7we94


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Hi, Björn Felten!
I read your message from 11.04.2019 22:16

BF> Without that huge bill, we would probably still barely be
BF> having pocket calculators and still be having rotary dial
BF> phones over copper wires. All of the recent NASA
BF> adventures are still totally awesome. You should be proud of
BF> what your country has achieved rather than denying it!

IMHO is more correct to say - without an arm race "we would probably
still barely... etc" ;-) If a new technic was made then - it was the
rocket Saturn V and new materials to build it. Electronics had been
developed without great connection with space flights. B-52 made for electronics more than Appolo 11. ;)

Bye, Björn!
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B-52 made for electronics more than Appolo 11. ;)

You still have leftover weed from Afghanistan? That's good stuff you've been smoking.

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Hello Bj�rn,

Well if we could go to the moon, so why not? 8-)

Neil Armstrong (allegedly the first man on the Moon) is
rumored to have disclosed his account of what he and "Buzz"
Aldrin saw to an unnamed college professor during a NASA
symposium.

When I say "we" I choose to regard the NASA accomplishment to be a

universal

one, even though a lot of international scientists (including some nazi escapees) were involved.

Certainly, landing a man on the Moon and returning him safely
back to Earth would be a real accomplishment that all peoples
around the world should love and celebrate. But did it really
happen? Just because people want to believe Santa Claus is
real doesn't mean he really is.

When JFK made his famous speech at Rice University (open air
during a hot muggy day in the football stadium) in Houston,
Texas not many people in the stands were paying attention. Until
he asked the crowd "Why does Rice play Texas?" That woke them
up, and everybody cheered. Then he went on to talk about his
program to land a man on the Moon and return him safely back
to Earth before the end of the decade. This is what was known
as Project Camelot. However, it has since been revealed that
Project Camelot had a much different goal -

http://projectcamelot.org/jake_simpson.html

But don't you ever forget that the entire planet took pride in what the US tax payers footed the bill for.

People took pride in a fairy tale they had been led to believe
had come true. That it really happened. Today, not so many
people believe. In fact, a majority of people in the UK believe
it was all fake. If another poll is taken in the US, the same
here would be found that most folks today believe it was all
faked (the last poll taken in the US on the subject was decades
ago).

The majority of people on this planet were not even born when
astronauts alledgedly landed on the Moon. So who can blame them
for not believing? A claim with nothing to back it up is an
empty claim. Unless it is told by Donald Trump, who does not
believe in climate change, or that Barack Obama was born in
the USA.

Why did NASA claim to have landed a man on the Moon and to
have brought him safely back to Earth? The real reason was not
so people around the world would feel great pride that man had
landed on the Moon, but rather so that the US could show the
USSR it had nuclear missiles that were so accurate they could
hit a target a quarter million miles away on the Moon.

Without that huge bill, we would probably still barely be having pocket calculators and still be having rotary dial phones over copper wires.

How much does it cost to send a missile to the Moon, versus
the cost of sending astronauts to the Moon and return them
safely back to Earth? Stanley Kubrick had us all believe we
could fly to Jupiter. Along with building a giant space
station in orbit around the Earth. Perhaps that is why NASA
hired him to produce a series of short mini-movies. To have
folks believe it had sent astronauts to the Moon. Not that
any of them really got there.

What better place to film those movies than just outside
of Las Vegas? The astronauts could play the slots during
the day, and also have lots of other entertainment on the
side. Then at night they could play their parts as actors
directed by the great Stanley Kubrick.

NASA is quasi-military. The astronauts who supposedly went to
the Moon were test pilots, having served in the military. Why
put their own lives on the line when they didn't have to? All
the POTUS wanted to do was show the Soviets the US had nuclear
weapons that were super-accurate, and had a range that was truly
out of this world.

The funds saved by faking the Moon landings were used for other
things. Such as protecting the POTUS from Watergate ...

All of the recent NASA adventures are still totally awesome.

Astronauts, cosmonauts, taikonauts, all their adventures
are awesome. But none has ever walked on the surface of the
Moon. NASA has made a few claims, but none of those claims
have been independently verified.

One of the greatest accomplishments of NASA is the International
Space Station. It is actually an international endeavor, not just
something that has been funded and run by the USA. However, it
should be noted that China was not invited.

What will China do when it becomes the first nation on Earth
to successfully land a taikonaut on the Moon? And a lunar base
on the Moon? Do you think China will let the US or Russia share
in any of its glory?

Perpaps Sweden should have its own space program. That way,
it can be sure to get wherever it wants to go. And never be
denied the right to own even a small piece of the Moon.

Journalists and reporters should be allowed to join the next
crew of astronauts/cosmonauts/taikonauts who attempt such a
mad adventure. If they succeed, the entire world will know,
including those who still think climate change is a hoax and
Barack Obama was born in Kenya.

You should be proud of what your country has achieved rather than denying it!

Where is independent verification that man has ever set foot
on the Moon? Lack of proof is not denial. If I claim to be
Superman, would you believe me just because I say so? Or
if somebody else says so? Certainly you must be smarter than
that ...

http://tinyurl.com/ycj7we94

Awesome! Now please explain why Pluto is no longer considered
being a planet, while still having two moons ...

The USSR accomplished the same thing as NASA within a month.
Landed on the Moon. With all its cosmonauts remaining on Earth.
What this shows is that scientists and engineers around the
world are capable of doing many things. Not just those in the
US.

--Lee

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Perhaps Sweden should have its own space program.

We've had since 1964 and still doing well, thank you very much.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esrange





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Lee Lofaso -> Bj�rn Felten skrev 2019-04-14 14:22:

But did it really happen?

Of course it did.

I'm surprised that an intelligent person like you choose to join a hoax society like that when there's so many real hoaxes to focus on.

1. The Dag Hammarskj�ld assassination. Follow the money -- mining companies in Congo did exceptionally well after his death.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dag_Hammarskj%C3%B6ld

2. The JFK assassination. Follow the money -- the military industrial complex. Hint: Vietnam.

3. The Olof Palme assassination -- the South African Secret Service. Hint: Sweden funded more than 50% of the ANC and was the only country that supported them.

4. The World Trade Centre controlled demolition in 2001 -- once again the MIC plus of course the insurance money.

5. Climate change. As usual, follow the money -- the big oil companies. Just
like the tobacco companies in the 1950s.



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Why did NASA claim to have landed a man on the Moon and to
have brought him safely back to Earth? The real reason was not

It didn't. NASA sent 18 men to the moon, landed 12 of them, and return them
all safely to earth.

Where is independent verification that man has ever set foot
on the Moon? Lack of proof is not denial. If I claim to be

*YAWN*. There is a LOT of third-party verification. Independent
lunar missions including including the Japanese SELENE probe, India's Chandrayaan-1, and the lunar reconnaissance orbiter have photographed the Apollo sites and abandoned equipment, for starters. Even China claimed its Chang'e 2 lunar probe found traces of the Apollo landings.

Each Apollo mission a laser-tracking reflector at its landing site which are still in use by ground-based observatories today.

And the Apollo missions were tracked real-time by numerous sources around the world, including by the Soviet Union.

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On 04-14-19, BJ�RN FELTEN said to LEE LOFASO:

Perhaps Sweden should have its own space program.

We've had since 1964 and still doing well, thank you very much.

How many Swedish flags has Sweden's astronauts planted on the Moon? More than the United States? Or even as many?


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How many Swedish flags has Sweden's astronauts planted on the Moon? More than the United States? Or even as many?

Is that your definition of a space program? Putting flags on the moon? Jeeezzz...





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How many Swedish flags has Sweden's astronauts planted on the Moon? More than the United States? Or even as many?

It's easy to claim credit for something of which you basically only provide the
finances ... a lot of German, Polish, Belginese, Danish and other languages were spoken during the development of the Atlas, Saturn, Mercury, Gemini and Apollo programmes.

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Ward Dossche wrote to TIM RICHARDSON <=-

How many Swedish flags has Sweden's astronauts planted on the Moon? More than the United States? Or even as many?

It's easy to claim credit for something of which you basically
only provide the finances ... a lot of German, Polish, Belginese,
Danish and other languages were spoken during the development of
the Atlas, Saturn, Mercury, Gemini and Apollo programmes.

Ever heard the saying "Actions speak louder than words"?

Perhaps all those countries (and likely more) *contributed* to the
US space programs, but it was the *US* that had the programs. It
was the US who actually *DID* put men on the moon.

And we'll be the ones who do it again, sooner than you think.



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Perhaps all those countries (and likely more) *contributed* to the
US space programs, but it was the *US* that had the programs. It
was the US who actually *DID* put men on the moon.

Correct. But it was more of a joint-effort headed by a person who should have been tried at Nuremberg and hung. The US especially had the financial resources
... and a speech by Kennedy. It was a time of hope ... If a president were to make a similar statement now, it will be forgotten tomorrow.

And we'll be the ones who do it again, sooner than you think.

Doubtful, there are other priorities.

Think hard ... why hasn't there been anyone else on the Moon since Apollo? It's
been like 48 years now ... there must be a reason. Think hard.

Perhaps because Apollo cost 25 billion US$ back then, now about 115 for limited
additional space knowledge and a bag of rocks. All other gains did not need a flight to the Moon.

A Moon-shot, like Apollo, is now unthinkable. If it happens, it will be different, take 15 years to build-up and there's nothing in the already over-inflated US budget.

The ISS is way more usefull, but when it comes to the end of its term, also that is doubtful.

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Hello Bj�rn,

How many Swedish flags has Sweden's astronauts planted on the Moon?
More than the United States? Or even as many?

Is that your definition of a space program? Putting flags on the moon? Jeeezzz...

It is more than that. Much more. Neil Armstrong wanted to plant
the United Nations flag on the Moon. But President Richard Nixon
would not let him, ordering Armstrong to plant the US flag. As he
also ordered all other commander astronauts who flew to the Moon.

Do you honestly believe the Soviets would not have planted their
own flag had they succeeded in landing a man on the Moon?

Certainly the Swedes would have done the same, planting their own
flag. But as far as I know, no Swede has ever set foot on the Moon.

However, the truth is, we have all been had. Almost the entire
world. Except for those in the know.

Truth is, the US had a secret Moon base. And the Soviets did not
like it. So what did they do? They blew it up. That is the real
reason why President Nixon ordered Neil Armstrong to plant the US
flag in the lunar soil. He wanted Neil Armstrong to claim the
entire Moon as US territory, making it the 51st state.

Julian Assange has recently been arrested. This surprised me,
as I thought he would more likely have had a freakish accident,
thus putting him (permanently) out of commission. Nobody seems
to know the fate of his cat, merely 10 weeks old at the time
of his arrest (on frivolous charges).

What does this have to do with secret bases on the Moon? Quite
a lot, if you bother to read what others are claiming -

https://tinyurl.com/y3n2hd2l

Any questions? I may not have the answers, but it is a true story.

--Lee

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Hello Bj�rn,

How many Swedish flags has Sweden's astronauts planted on the Moon? More
than the United States? Or even as many?

Is that your definition of a space program? Putting flags on the moon? Jeeezzz...

Neil Armstrong wanted to plant a flag of the United Nations
on the Moon. But President Nixon wouldn't let him, making him
plant a US flag instead.

However, Armstrong had the last word, as he did the talking when
planting the US flag.

President Nixon grounded him after that comment.

Fortunately, "Buzz" Aldrin saved him from his fate on the Moon.

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Hello Tim,

Perhaps Sweden should have its own space program.

We've had since 1964 and still doing well, thank you very much.

How many Swedish flags has Sweden's astronauts planted on the Moon? More than the United States? Or even as many?

How many Swedish "astronauts" have even been to space?

The US has astronauts.
Russia has cosmonauts.
China has taikonauts.

But what the heck does Sweden have? Although it may have
a space program, how many Swedes have actually flown on a
Swedish rocketship? And what does one call a spacefaring
Swede? I am not sure there is any such word for it.

--Lee

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How many Swedish "astronauts" have even been to space?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christer_Fuglesang






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But what the heck does Sweden have? Although it may have
a space program, how many Swedes have actually flown on a
Swedish rocketship? And what does one call a spacefaring
Swede? I am not sure there is any such word for it.

I do not know about a Swedish space program, but their Swedish Fish,
sure are delicious.

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I do not know about a Swedish space program, but their Swedish Fish,
sure are delicious.

If you like fermented herring ... sure ... 8-)

They've got very good booze ...

And guns, and a variety of excellent military stuff including probably the best
fighter-bomber planes in the world. There's a reason why nobody gets into wars
with them anymore.

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Ward Dossche wrote to Gregory Deyss <=-

I do not know about a Swedish space program, but their Swedish Fish,
sure are delicious.

{just so you know, fish don't have a nationality ... cod is cod, irrespective if it was caught by a Swede, a Dane, a Norwegian, an Icelander, a Dutchman, a Canadian ...}

...WHOOOOOOSH!!!!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_Fish



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On 21/04/2019 22:44, Dan Clough -> Ward Dossche wrote:

I do not know about a Swedish space program, but their Swedish Fish,
sure are delicious.

{just so you know, fish don't have a nationality ... cod is cod,
irrespective if it was caught by a Swede, a Dane, a Norwegian, an
Icelander, a Dutchman, a Canadian ...}

..WHOOOOOOSH!!!!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_Fish

Do you recall the opening sentences of that page "...made for the US market..."

Some things are not known of outside the USofA.

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David Drummond wrote to Dan Clough <=-

I do not know about a Swedish space program, but their Swedish Fish,
sure are delicious.

{just so you know, fish don't have a nationality ... cod is cod,
irrespective if it was caught by a Swede, a Dane, a Norwegian, an
Icelander, a Dutchman, a Canadian ...}

..WHOOOOOOSH!!!!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_Fish

Do you recall the opening sentences of that page "...made for the
US market..."

Yeah, and it also says the product is made by a Swedish company,
and distributed in Sweden as well.

Some things are not known of outside the USofA.

Indeed. Including how to put a man on the moon. :)



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On 22/04/2019 12:48, Dan Clough -> David Drummond wrote:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_Fish

Do you recall the opening sentences of that page "...made for the
US market..."

Yeah, and it also says the product is made by a Swedish company,
and distributed in Sweden as well.

Ward does not live in Sweden last time I looked...

Some things are not known of outside the USofA.

Indeed. Including how to put a man on the moon. :)

The Chinese will have that done soon - they'll probably have a settlement there
before too long.

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On 22 Apr 2019, David Drummond said the following...

On 21/04/2019 22:44, Dan Clough -> Ward Dossche wrote:

I do not know about a Swedish space program, but their Swedish Fish,
sure are delicious.

{just so you know, fish don't have a nationality ... cod is cod,
irrespective if it was caught by a Swede, a Dane, a Norwegian, an
Icelander, a Dutchman, a Canadian ...}

..WHOOOOOOSH!!!!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_Fish

Do you recall the opening sentences of that page "...made for the US market..."

Some things are not known of outside the USofA.

If you want - send me a netmail, indicating your home address and I will send you a package of Swedish Fish candies.

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David Drummond wrote to Dan Clough <=-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_Fish

Do you recall the opening sentences of that page "...made for the
US market..."

Yeah, and it also says the product is made by a Swedish company,
and distributed in Sweden as well.

Ward does not live in Sweden last time I looked...

Yep, OK, so I guess I assumed that most folks (everybody?) knew of
that particular candy. Seems like it would be known, having been
around since the 1950's.

Some things are not known of outside the USofA.

Indeed. Including how to put a man on the moon. :)

The Chinese will have that done soon - they'll probably have a
settlement there before too long.

Projection. I'd say that is quite unlikely. They have other
priorities, too.

We (the USA) did it 50 years ago.



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Hello Greg,

But what the heck does Sweden have? Although it may have
a space program, how many Swedes have actually flown on a
Swedish rocketship? And what does one call a spacefaring
Swede? I am not sure there is any such word for it.

I do not know about a Swedish space program, but their Swedish Fish,
sure are delicious.

There are also a few other Swedish "delicacies" which some claim
are delightful. Including Swedish crawfish, celebrated in August,
in a few taverns. According to Bj�rn, Sweden has two kinds of
crawfish. Kind of like Louisiana. Except that one kind tastes
better than the other kind. Which means I am going to have to
travel to Sweden to find out which kind is best.

I hope Sweden has good beer (or whatever Swedes drink in Sweden)
to wash down those crawfish ...

--Lee

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Hello Ward,

How many Swedish flags has Sweden's astronauts planted on the Moon? More
than the United States? Or even as many?

It's easy to claim credit for something of which you basically only

provide

the finances ... a lot of German, Polish, Belginese, Danish and other languages were spoken during the development of the Atlas, Saturn,

Mercury,

Gemini and Apollo programmes.

That is one of the main reasons why Commander Neil Armstrong had
wanted to plant a flag of the United Nations on the Moon. But he
was over-ruled by his Commander-in-Chief, Richard M. Nixon, who
ordered him to plant the US flag instead.

The US flag was planted on the Moon not just once by Neil
Armstrong, but also by the commanding astronauts of the other
flights that allegedly went there.

How many of those US flags remain standing is unknown, as they
could have been blown away in the lunar atmosphere since then.

--Lee

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Hello Dan,

How many Swedish flags has Sweden's astronauts planted on the Moon? More
than the United States? Or even as many?

It's easy to claim credit for something of which you basically
only provide the finances ... a lot of German, Polish, Belginese,
Danish and other languages were spoken during the development of
the Atlas, Saturn, Mercury, Gemini and Apollo programmes.

Ever heard the saying "Actions speak louder than words"?

When the USSR launched Sputnik, the whole world noticed.
When the US tried to launch its own rockets, the whole world
laughed. That is how advanced the USSR was when compared
to the US at the time the space race began.

JFK's speech in 1962 was made in Houston, Texas on a hot muggy day.
Most people were bored, and not really paying any attention to
anything he said. Until his famous question "Why does Rice play
Texas?" That is what grabbed everybody's attention. After he
asked them, he gave his reason - the part about sending a man
to the Moon and back before the decade is out.

So. Now you know why we went there. And back. And Rice does
continue to play Texas. All because JFK made it so.

Perhaps all those countries (and likely more) *contributed* to the
US space programs, but it was the *US* that had the programs.

China did not contribute to the ISS. Russia and the EU did.
Which is why no Chinese taikonauts have ever been allowed to
board the ISS.

It was the US who actually *DID* put men on the moon.

That is only a claim by NASA, not proven fact.

And we'll be the ones who do it again, sooner than you think.

Stanley Kubrick is retired, and no longer making movies.
Except in his own heaven.

--Lee

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Hello Ward,

Perhaps all those countries (and likely more) *contributed* to the
US space programs, but it was the *US* that had the programs. It
was the US who actually *DID* put men on the moon.

Correct.

Claims do not mean actual facts.

But it was more of a joint-effort headed by a person who should have been tried at Nuremberg and hung.

Vernon von Braun was a good Nazi. A very good Nazi.
Even wrote a science fiction book. Before he started
building real science fiction toys.

The US especially had the financial resources ... and a speech by Kennedy.

The USSR had Sputnik. And a space hero named Gagarin.

It was a time of hope ..

It was a time of disaster for the US space program. The USSR
was winning everything, as rockets built by the US kept blowing
up, most of them on the launch pad.

If a president were to make a similar statement now, it will be forgotten tomorrow.

Mike Pence tried to do that, but he was laughed out of the room
by NASA scientists. What do you think would have happened had
Donald Trump made such a speech?

And we'll be the ones who do it again, sooner than you think.

Doubtful, there are other priorities.

Such as providing more tax cuts for gazillionaires.

Think hard ... why hasn't there been anyone else on the Moon since Apollo?

Just because NASA claims to have landed several men on the Moon
does not make it true.

It's been like 48 years now ... there must be a reason. Think hard.

It cannot be done. Not then. And not now.

Perhaps because Apollo cost 25 billion US$ back then, now about 115 for limited additional space knowledge and a bag of rocks.

We find non-terrestrial rocks all the time on Planet Earth.
Including some that may have come from the Moon itself.

All other gains did not need a flight to the Moon.

There was never any need for man to even try to go to the Moon.
Except to deceive folks into believing in such a fairy tale.

A Moon-shot, like Apollo, is now unthinkable.

Jules Verne had a very creative imagination.

If it happens, it will be different, take 15 years to build-up and there's nothing in the already over-inflated US budget.

Far easier, and cheaper, to hire a director to make a movie outside
of Las Vegas.

The ISS is way more usefull, but when it comes to the end of its term,

also

that is doubtful.

All things that have a beginning have a very definite end.
The ISS has been a work in progress from its inception. But
not all nations are on board. For example, China was left
out. On purpose. But Russia was allowed to participate.

The ISS is almost at the end of its days. At that point,
it will be abandoned. And then it will come tumbling out of
the sky and crash in various locations around the world.

What will be its replacement? For the past several years, US
astronauts have had to hitch a ride on Russian rockets to get
there. With no place to go, why even bother having a space
program?

--Lee

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Hello Nathanael,

Why did NASA claim to have landed a man on the Moon and to
have brought him safely back to Earth? The real reason was not

It didn't. NASA sent 18 men to the moon, landed 12 of them, and return

them

all safely to earth.

Those are merely claims, nothing that has been independently verified.

Where is independent verification that man has ever set foot
on the Moon? Lack of proof is not denial. If I claim to be

*YAWN*. There is a LOT of third-party verification. Independent
lunar missions including including the Japanese SELENE probe, India's Chandrayaan-1, and the lunar reconnaissance orbiter have photographed the Apollo sites and abandoned equipment, for starters. Even China claimed its Chang'e 2 lunar probe found traces of the Apollo landings.

Total BS. Claims are not independently verified facts. If I claim
to be Superman, does that make it true? Even if Donald Trump claims
I am Superman, does that make true? Of course not. Those who do
believe it are deluded, or would be, unless I truly am Superman.

Just because NASA says something is true does not make it true.
Just because somebody else says somthing is true does not make it
true. Claims have to be *independently* verified, otherwise there
would be no basis for anybody to believe anything that has been
claimed.

NASA made the claims. The burden of proof is on NASA to prove,
absolutely in some cases, that its claims are true.
It is not up to others to disprove a claim that has been made.
In this case, there is much reason to doubt the claims that
NASA has made, as there is no compelling evidence that clearly
shows or demonstrates that NASA's claims are true.

Each Apollo mission a laser-tracking reflector at its landing site which

are

still in use by ground-based observatories today.

Such reflectors could have been placed before and/or after the alleged
Moon landings took place, without the need for any human presence.

And the Apollo missions were tracked real-time by numerous sources around the world, including by the Soviet Union.

Missiles are still being tracked by various nations of the world.
That does not mean any humans are aboard those missiles.

--Lee

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That is one of the main reasons why Commander Neil Armstrong had
wanted to plant a flag of the United Nations on the Moon. But he
was over-ruled by his Commander-in-Chief, Richard M. Nixon, who
ordered him to plant the US flag instead.

Some years ago I spoke to Aldrin and he said "We went there for all mankind".

How many of those US flags remain standing is unknown, as they
could have been blown away in the lunar atmosphere since then.

The Moon has no atmosphere but an exosphere, Nothing of the kind that will make
a flag wave. But we do know that at least one toppled over when the Lunar Module blasted-off.

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Vernon von Braun was a good Nazi. A very good Nazi.

Who is Vernon von Braun?

It was a time of disaster for the US space program. The USSR
was winning everything, as rockets built by the US kept blowing
up, most of them on the launch pad.

Then they got a Belgian to head the Atlas-project and things changed.

Mike Pence tried to do that, but he was laughed out of the room
by NASA scientists. What do you think would have happened had
Donald Trump made such a speech?

Bush Minor made such a speech.

\%/@rd

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How many Swedish flags has Sweden's astronauts planted on the

Moon? More

than the United States? Or even as many?

Is that your definition of a space program? Putting flags on the

moon?

Jeeezzz...

The US is busily creating a Space Command, or whatever they're going to
call it, to control the US military off planet.

It seems to me that the US is a signatory to a treaty forbidding the militarization of space
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On 22/04/2019 20:56, Gregory Deyss -> David Drummond wrote:

Do you recall the opening sentences of that page "...made for the US
market..."

Some things are not known of outside the USofA.

If you want - send me a netmail, indicating your home address and I will send you a package of Swedish Fish candies.

No thank you - I try to steer clear of things with high sugar content.

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Lee Lofaso wrote to Dan Clough <=-

It was the US who actually *DID* put men on the moon.

That is only a claim by NASA, not proven fact.

You're an idiot.

Please stop responding to my messages, I'm not even remotely
interested in what you have to say.


... Ignorance can be cured. Stupid is forever.
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If you want - send me a netmail, indicating your home address and I w send you a package of Swedish Fish candies.

No thank you - I try to steer clear of things with high sugar content.

As you wish.
There are much worse things to consume then sugar.
Like saturated FAT,that you get from meat and cheese.

I eat primarily a plant based diet and never compromise on taste.

Maybe you as well as others did not know that
The American Diabetes Association
American Cancer Society
Susan G. Koman Organization
as well as other like organizations in the world suggest to their followers to consume things that the world health organization has classified as a carcinogen.

Meanwhile...
These organizations are getting Millions of Dollars from both the Beef Industry and Big Dairy.

Then Big Pharma works the other side of the street.

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Just because somebody else says somthing is true does not make it

Just because Lee Lofaso says the moon landings are a hoax doesn't make it
true.

Claims have to be *independently* verified, otherwise there

I'm pretty sure at this stage you wouldn't know an "*independently* verified" fact if someone rubbed your nose in it until your nostrils bled.

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Hello Bj�rn,

How many Swedish "astronauts" have even been to space?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christer_Fuglesang

Wow! Sweden sent its national champion Frisbee player
on two US space shuttle missions, and five spacewalks!
And while there, he established the Galactic Record
for longest Frisbee flight ever! Yes, it is recorded
in the Guinness Book of World Records, even though
his record is literally out of this world!

Truly an amazing guy, all jokes aside. Certified
by Russia to command Soyuz capsule to return to Earth.
Also certified by NASA for spacewalks, among other
things ...

--Lee

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Hello David,

[..]

Some things are not known of outside the USofA.

Indeed. Including how to put a man on the moon. :)

The Chinese will have that done soon - they'll probably have a settlement there before too long.

Wishful thinking. The Chinese space program is at about
the same stage as the US Gemini project. Although they do
have the capability to send taikonauts to near Earth orbit,
they have nowhere near the capability of landing a man on
the Moon, much less establishing a lunar colony.

China's one claim to fame in regards to their space program
is having taken a picture of the dark side of the Moon.
Something both the US and Russia had done a long time ago.

--Lee

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Hello Dan,

[..]

Do you recall the opening sentences of that page "...made for the
US market..."

Yeah, and it also says the product is made by a Swedish company,
and distributed in Sweden as well.

[..]

Some things are not known of outside the USofA.

Indeed. Including how to put a man on the moon. :)

Timothy Leary got there. The only man ever to do so.
And to think, he is still there. And will remain there.
The Man in the Moon is very real, not a figment of your
imagination ...

--Lee

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On 23/04/2019 08:23, Dan Clough -> Lee Lofaso wrote:

It was the US who actually *DID* put men on the moon.

That is only a claim by NASA, not proven fact.

You're an idiot.

Please stop responding to my messages, I'm not even remotely
interested in what you have to say.

Your message reader *does* have a next key, doesn't it?

There is no requirement in Policy that we must read all echo messages addressed
to us.

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Hello Nathanael,

Just because somebody else says somthing is true does not make it

Just because Lee Lofaso says the moon landings are a hoax doesn't make it true.

It is not the duty of others to disprove a claim, but rather
those who make the claim to show it as being credible.

While NASA has spun a tale that most folks would love to believe,
it is not established fact, as none of those claims have been
independently verified. Not by journalists or reporters, or by
any other credible source.

NASA's word is not good enough.

After Gary Powers was captured by Soviets after his plane
crashed in USSR territory, US President Dwight Eisenhower had
to publicly admit the obvious. What do you think will happen
when a real lunar landing takes place by astronauts from a
country other than the US? When those astronauts find no
footprints or other evidence of US astronauts ever having
landed on the Moon, the US President is going to have a lot
of explaining to do.

Claims have to be *independently* verified, otherwise there

I'm pretty sure at this stage you wouldn't know an "*independently* verified" fact if someone rubbed your nose in it until your nostrils bled.

Russia is planning to verify the conspiracy theory concerning
the faked Moon landings. Keep in mind that 28% of Russians believe
all six manned landings were faked. And it is not just Russians,
but also 25% of Britons, and 20% of Americans.

The US does not have a monopoly on ignorance. Neither does
anyplace else. Perhaps we are all idiots. Sometimes that seems
to be the case, and maybe justly so.

An orbiter takes pictures of the flags planted on the Moon,
showing the flags and shadows. Conspiracy theorists claim the
pictures were faked. No way to prove it one way or another.

Any other "proof" that comes their way can also be questioned,
with no way to conclusively prove a thing.

Unless a feat can be duplicated by somebody else, it is extremely
difficult a claim as being absolute proof.

Kind of like a magician pulling a rabbit out of his hat.
Or sawing a woman in half while inside of a box. A magician
is performing an illusion, making something appear to be real,
that isn't really real. "How did he do that?" the audience
gasps. The magician never reveals his secrets ...

How many reporters/journalists have traveled to the Moon and back?
None that I know of.

Except for the fine folks in Jules Verne's story, no character that
I know of has ever been to the Moon, much less returned to Earth to
tell the tale.

We read a tale knowing it is fiction. We enjoy the tale, and
maybe even think of it as being real. But we know it is fiction,
and never really take it as being fact.

But what if we are told that something is real by those whom
we trust and believe are telling us truth? No matter how fake,
most will believe the lie, without ever questioning the lie
or those who told it.

Verne's story was fiction, where anything and everything is possible.
NASA's story is also fiction, except their story being backed by
government funds. People believed it because it was based on false
logic - an appeal to authority. But that does not mean such a lunar
venture was ever possible.

--Lee

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Hello Ward,

Vernon von Braun was a good Nazi. A very good Nazi.

Who is Vernon von Braun?

Americanized spelling of Wernher von Braun.

It was a time of disaster for the US space program. The USSR
was winning everything, as rockets built by the US kept blowing
up, most of them on the launch pad.

Then they got a Belgian to head the Atlas-project and things changed.

It took a few disasters before making the change.

Mike Pence tried to do that, but he was laughed out of the room
by NASA scientists. What do you think would have happened had
Donald Trump made such a speech?

Bush Minor made such a speech.

Pence's speech was shorter.

--Lee

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Hello Ward,

That is one of the main reasons why Commander Neil Armstrong had
wanted to plant a flag of the United Nations on the Moon. But he
was over-ruled by his Commander-in-Chief, Richard M. Nixon, who
ordered him to plant the US flag instead.

Some years ago I spoke to Aldrin and he said "We went there for all mankind".

From the astronauts' perspective, I would agree that was their intent.
However, the astronauts were ordered to plant US flags, and none other.

The reality is far different than what is believed.

Believing we went to the Moon is a conspiracy theory. Why would
anybody think that? Because the lies were used to extort and
misappropriate money (or funds) for false ends. IOW, the funding
was used for something other than going to the Moon.

Look at the budget during that time period. How much was
allocated to NASA, versus how much was allocated for defense.
Remember, the lunar landings occurred between 1969 and 1972.
Richard Nixon was president, his number one stated priority
being to end the war in Vietnam.

How much could be saved by faking a lunar landing, using those
funds for illegal activities in Indochina?

How many of those US flags remain standing is unknown, as they
could have been blown away in the lunar atmosphere since then.

The Moon has no atmosphere but an exosphere, Nothing of the kind that will make a flag wave. But we do know that at least one toppled over when the Lunar Module blasted-off.

The Moon is within the atmosphere of the Earth. It may not
be much of an atmosphere, but it is an atmosphere.

--Lee

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Hello Dan,

It was the US who actually *DID* put men on the moon.

That is only a claim by NASA, not proven fact.

You're an idiot.

Aren't we all?

The US does not have a monopoly on ignorance.
Neither does anyplace else.

Please stop responding to my messages, I'm not even remotely
interested in what you have to say.

According to Wikipedia, 28% of Americans believe that the
Moon landings were faked, along with 25% of Britons and 28%
of Russians.

But hey. You believe whatever you want to believe.
It is only your own imagination that stops you.

--Lee

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Hello Bob,

How many Swedish flags has Sweden's astronauts planted on the

Moon? More

than the United States? Or even as many?

Is that your definition of a space program? Putting flags on the

moon?

Jeeezzz...

The US is busily creating a Space Command, or whatever they're going to call it, to control the US military off planet.

Jointly controlled by the US, EU, and Russia.
That is what Trump and Putin were talking about,
in private, in Helsinki.

It seems to me that the US is a signatory to a treaty forbidding the militarization of space

US President Donald Trump is militarizing space.
So is Russian President Vladimir Putin.
Do you think Chinese President Xi is also doing the same?

--Lee

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Hello Greg,

If you want - send me a netmail, indicating your home address

and I w

send you a package of Swedish Fish candies.

No thank you - I try to steer clear of things with high sugar

content.

As you wish.
There are much worse things to consume then sugar.
Like saturated FAT,that you get from meat and cheese.

Fat is good. Including saturated fat. As well as trans-fats,
for those who love New Orleans foods.

I eat primarily a plant based diet and never compromise on taste.

Refined sugar can be a problem, if consumed like a glutton.
But in small amounts, or natural sugars in foods, are not really
problematic. Over-consumption of anything can make one look like
a pig, not just sugar.

Maybe you as well as others did not know that
The American Diabetes Association
American Cancer Society
Susan G. Koman Organization
as well as other like organizations in the world suggest to their

followers

to consume things that the world health organization has classified as a carcinogen.

If we all did that, nobody would be left alive.

Meanwhile...
These organizations are getting Millions of Dollars from both the Beef Industry and Big Dairy.

Lamb Chops and Goat Milk. Gelato for dessert.
That's the ticket for success!

Then Big Pharma works the other side of the street.

100 million Americans on statin drugs.
Including 73-year-old Donald Trump, who gets massive doses.
Big Pharma is killing us all. Both young and old alike.

The most commonly prescribed statin drug in the US.
Know how much the wholesale cost is? $1.30 for a 90-day supply,
made in India. Sometimes pulled by the FDA for having glass shards.
Know how much Big Pharma is charging customers? A hell of a lot
more than $1.30 for a 30-day supply ...

Ditto for the other six statin drugs prescribed in the US.

It is all scam, based on a discredited theory that cholesterol
is evil. Fact is, there is no "good" or "bad" cholesterol, as
both types of cholesterol are needed for human survival.

A $29 Billion Dollar industry. Money talks, people listen.
Doctors prescribe the drugs, getting a small kickback for their
sales. This is a lifetime prescription. Once they make it,
it is income for life. The more prescriptions, the more they
make. Even if it kills all the patients in their care.

"First, do not harm." ~Oath made by hypocrites

--Lee

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NASA's word is not good enough.

No, of course it's not. You will deny any and all evidence, no matter how compelling, to cling to your conspiracy theories.

all six manned landings were faked. And it is not just Russians,
but also 25% of Britons, and 20% of Americans.

MPAI.

It is not the duty of others to disprove a claim, but rather
those who make the claim to show it as being credible.

Nonsense. No one is asking you to prove a negative. You have made a claim. It is your job to support it. You claimed the moon landings are a fairy tale:

"People took pride in a fairy tale they had been led to believe had come
true."

That is not the denial of a claim; it is itself a claim for which you will
need to provide credible evidence. And no, "Neil Armstrong is rumored to have disclosed" something to some "unnamed professor" doesn't come close to credible.

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. You can deny all the evidence you like; none of that proves the moon landings did not happen. To make THAT claim requires evidence. You have none.

I won't call you an idiot, as others have done.

But that won't stop me thinking it.

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Fat is good. Including saturated fat. As well as trans-fats,
for those who love New Orleans foods.

Might taste to you but there is nothing sexy about being obese.

If we all did that, nobody would be left alive.

You say that but it remains just your opinion, it is far from a fact.
I am vegan and I very much alive.

I need not worry about being dependent on statin drugs or having those types
of operations of the heart.

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On 04-20-19, WARD DOSSCHE said to TIM RICHARDSON:

How many Swedish flags has Sweden's astronauts planted on the Moon? More than the United States? Or even as many?

It's easy to claim credit for something of which you basically only WD>provide the finances ... a lot of German, Polish, Belginese, Danish and WD>other languages were spoken during the development of the Atlas, Saturn, WD>Mercury, Gemini and Apollo programmes.

. It was Americans who went to the Moon! And planted an
American flag there. No Poles, Belgians, Danes or Germans were anywhere around in the rockets that went there. It was an American enterprise all the way!





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On 04-19-19, BJ�RN FELTEN said to TIM RICHARDSON:

How many Swedish flags has Sweden's astronauts planted on the Moon? More than the United States? Or even as many?

Is that your definition of a space program? Putting flags on the moon? BF>Jeeezzz...

So....your answer is `None!' `Zip!' `Zeeroo'! `Nada!'

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On 04-20-19, LEE LOFASO said to TIM RICHARDSON:

Hello Tim,

Perhaps Sweden should have its own space program.

We've had since 1964 and still doing well, thank you very much.

How many Swedish flags has Sweden's astronauts planted on the Moon? More than the United States? Or even as many?

How many Swedish "astronauts" have even been to space?

The US has astronauts.
Russia has cosmonauts.
China has taikonauts.

But what the heck does Sweden have? Although it may have
a space program, how many Swedes have actually flown on a
Swedish rocketship? And what does one call a spacefaring
Swede? I am not sure there is any such word for it.

Sweden built a Moon rocket. They trained astronauts. They're ready to go.


And go they will....just as soon as they finish winding the rubber band! Gotta get it good and tight.

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On 04-19-19, BJ�RN FELTEN said to TIM RICHARDSON:

How many Swedish flags has Sweden's astronauts planted on the Moon? More than the United States? Or even as many?

Is that your definition of a space program? Putting flags on the moon? BF>Jeeezzz...

BTW....in order to get *to* the Moon, you gotta go through *outer space*! That qualifies as a *space program*!



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Lee Lofaso wrote to Dan Clough <=-

It was the US who actually *DID* put men on the moon.

That is only a claim by NASA, not proven fact.

You're an idiot.

No, he's a troll, he's been a troll in Fidonet for well over 20 years.
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On 04-19-19, BJ�RN FELTEN said to TIM RICHARDSON:

How many Swedish flags has Sweden's astronauts planted on the

Moon? More

than the United States? Or even as many?

Is that your definition of a space program? Putting flags on the

moon?

Jeeezzz...

BTW....in order to get *to* the Moon, you gotta go through *outer

space*!

No you don't. "Outer space" is outside the solar system. "Space" is
outside this planet's atmosphere.
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BOB ACKLEY wrote to DAN CLOUGH <=-

It was the US who actually *DID* put men on the moon.

That is only a claim by NASA, not proven fact.

DC > You're an idiot.

No, he's a troll, he's been a troll in Fidonet for well over 20
years.

No doubt. He's both then.

Best cure for a troll is to ignore them.



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On 24/04/2019 10:59, TIM RICHARDSON -> WARD DOSSCHE wrote:

It's easy to claim credit for something of which you basically only
provide the finances ... a lot of German, Polish, Belginese, Danish and
other languages were spoken during the development of the Atlas, Saturn,
Mercury, Gemini and Apollo programmes.

. It was Americans who went to the Moon! And planted an
American flag there. No Poles, Belgians, Danes or Germans were anywhere around in the rockets that went there. It was an American enterprise all

the way!

The astronauts may have been USAmerican - the technology and scientists were imported. They even had to rely on Australian radio telescopes for telemetry.

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Hello Bob,

BTW....in order to get *to* the Moon, you gotta go through *outer

space*!

No you don't. "Outer space" is outside the solar system. "Space" is outside this planet's atmosphere.

The Moon is within Earth's atmosphere.

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Hello Bob,

It was the US who actually *DID* put men on the moon.

That is only a claim by NASA, not proven fact.

You're an idiot.

No, he's a troll, he's been a troll in Fidonet for well over 20 years.

That may be. But what kind of troll am I? That is the question ...

"Trolls just want to have fun." ~Anon

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Hello Lee!

25 Apr 19 14:13, Lee Lofaso wrote to BOB ACKLEY:

The Moon is within Earth's atmosphere.

Nope. The atmosphere of the Earth reaches up to about 10.000 km (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmosphere_of_Earth#Stratification) whereas the orbital distance of the moon is almost 400.000 km (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon).


Regards,
Gerrit

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Hello Gerrit,

The Moon is within Earth's atmosphere.

Nope. The atmosphere of the Earth reaches up to about 10.000 km (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmosphere_of_Earth#Stratification) whereas the orbital distance of the moon is almost 400.000 km (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon).

According to those in the know, mankind has never left Earth's
atmosphere, which means those Little Green Men from Mars might
really be from Mars -

https://apple.news/A8OgIHSfkRJK-UNdgWeaI3g


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Nope. The atmosphere of the Earth reaches up to about 10.000 km (see

There's a a recent study or two which claim the earth is surrounded by a
large hydrogen cloud (a geocrona) which extends out to about twice the radius of the moon's orbit. So if you count that as part of the earth's atmosphere, then the moon does indeed lie inside it.

This time, quite by accident, Lee may actually be right.

https://bigthink.com/surprising-science/the-moon-is-inside-earths-atmosphere-cl aims-study

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Hello Lee!

27 Apr 19 00:31, Lee Lofaso wrote to Gerrit Kuehn:

The Moon is within Earth's atmosphere.

Nope. The atmosphere of the Earth reaches up to about 10.000 km (see
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmosphere_of_Earth#Stratification)
whereas the orbital distance of the moon is almost 400.000 km (see
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon).

According to those in the know, mankind has never left Earth's
atmosphere, which means those Little Green Men from Mars might
really be from Mars -

Which has, true or not, nothing to do with the distance between Moon and Earth,
or the extension of Earth's atmosphere.


Regards,
Gerrit

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Hello nathanael!

27 Apr 19 13:32, nathanael culver wrote to Gerrit Kuehn:

This time, quite by accident, Lee may actually be right.

https://bigthink.com/surprising-science/the-moon-is-inside-earths-atm osphere-cl
aims-study

That's an interesting point, I do remember when SOHO was launched, and the great excitement its data brought to many scientists. The institute I was working for back then even had a tiny link to the radiometric calibration of SOHO's VUV telescope.

Anyway, ESA people now say (see https://www.esa.int/Our_Activities/Space_Science/Earth_s_atmosphere_stretches_ out_to_the_Moon_and_beyond)

---
The denser dayside region of hydrogen is still rather sparse, with just 70 atoms per cubic centimeter at 60 000 kilometers above Earths surface, and about
0.2 atoms at the Moons distance.
"On Earth we would call it vacuum, so this extra source of hydrogen is not significant enough to facilitate space exploration," says Igor.
---


So this rather sounds like a re-definition of atmosphere than anything else. ;-)


Regards,
Gerrit

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So this rather sounds like a re-definition of atmosphere than anything else. ;-)

Yeah. One's position on whether the moon is inside the earth's atmosphere rather depends on how one defines "atmosphere", and that seems to be the crux of the issue here.

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On 27/04/2019 08:31, Lee Lofaso -> Gerrit Kuehn wrote:

Nope. The atmosphere of the Earth reaches up to about 10.000 km (see
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmosphere_of_Earth#Stratification) whereas
the orbital distance of the moon is almost 400.000 km (see
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon).

According to those in the know, mankind has never left Earth's
atmosphere, [...]

Which suggests that "those in the know" don't know at all.

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Hello nathanael!

28 Apr 19 08:25, nathanael culver wrote to Gerrit Kuehn:

So this rather sounds like a re-definition of atmosphere than
anything else. ;-)

Yeah. One's position on whether the moon is inside the earth's
atmosphere
rather depends on how one defines "atmosphere", and that seems to be
the crux
of the issue here.

Well, why should we care, after all? It is certainly an interesting thing to see, but as ESA folks already wrote, there is not much impact on anything else.


Regards,
Gerrit

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thing to see, but as ESA folks already wrote, there is not much impact
on anything else.

No, there isn't. But I find such things interesting from a philosophical aspect, I suppose.

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Hello nathanael!

28 Apr 19 22:47, nathanael culver wrote to Gerrit Kuehn:

No, there isn't. But I find such things interesting from a
philosophical
aspect, I suppose.

Yeah, you can always ask for the "best" definition of the term "atmosphere". We
all have a clear picture in mind when we hear the word, I guess. However, as always there are corner cases that might lead to funny results.


Regards,
Gerrit

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Hello Gerrit,

The Moon is within Earth's atmosphere.

Nope. The atmosphere of the Earth reaches up to about 10.000 km (see
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmosphere_of_Earth#Stratification)
whereas the orbital distance of the moon is almost 400.000 km (see
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon).

According to those in the know, mankind has never left Earth's
atmosphere, which means those Little Green Men from Mars might
really be from Mars -

Which has, true or not, nothing to do with the distance between Moon and Earth, or the extension of Earth's atmosphere.

It is possible the Moon has been colonized by Little Green Men
from Mars. Pictures of spheres on the surface of the Moon have
been taken by Apollo astronauts. Nobody has a clue who built
them, or if the Moon itself is populated.

--Lee

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Hello David,

Nope. The atmosphere of the Earth reaches up to about 10.000 km (see
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmosphere_of_Earth#Stratification)

whereas

the orbital distance of the moon is almost 400.000 km (see
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon).

According to those in the know, mankind has never left Earth's
atmosphere, [...]

Which suggests that "those in the know" don't know at all.

Well, since nobody has ever been there, that leaves only Little
Green Men from Mars ...

--Lee

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Hi, Lee Lofaso!
I read your message from 30.04.2019 22:09

nc>>> https://bigthink.com/surprising-science/the-moon-is-insi
nc>>> de-earth s-atmosphere-cl aims-study
ak>> In this case we can also say that the Earth goes through
ak>> the Sun atmosphere which is spread by the Solar wind. ;)
LL> https://youtu.be/yIor3JgQCr8
LL> How about a galactic wave hitting the Earth, and then the Sun,
LL> reflected back, with the Sun going mini-nova, leaving the Earth
LL> in cinders?

We know little indeed. For instance, the scientists cannot guarantee
that the Earth itself will not be a lava inferno in 2022. They know well
that periodically the Earth gets twisted bowels, and its all volcanoes
begin erupting across the planet. Why? Nobody knows how these bows
constructed and what we can expect.

LL> It has happened before, according to the mad scientist, noted
LL> above, who claims we are due for an encore performance sometime
LL> around 2020 to 2022.



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Hello David,

According to those in the know, mankind has never left Earth's
atmosphere, [...]

Which suggests that "those in the know" don't know at all.

Well, since nobody has ever been there, that leaves only Little
Green Men from Mars ...

You know this for sure?

H.G. Wells did.

His Martians were big tall fuckers....

The machines the Martians rode around in were big tall fuckers.
The Martians themselves were tiny, but deadly.

Which is why we can all thank Tom Cruise for having saved mankind.

The War of the Worlds
The War of the Worlds 2
The War of the Worlds 3

Okay, Tom Cruise only saved the world once in that series.

Edge of Tomorrow - Tom Cruise saves the world. And himself.
Again, and again, and again, and again ...

Edge of Tomorrow 2 - Tom Cruise saves the world. And himself.
Again, and again, and again, and again ...

Edge of Tomorrow 3 -

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Hello Alexander,

https://bigthink.com/surprising-science/the-moon-is-insi
de-earth s-atmosphere-cl aims-study

In this case we can also say that the Earth goes through
the Sun atmosphere which is spread by the Solar wind. ;)

https://youtu.be/yIor3JgQCr8
How about a galactic wave hitting the Earth, and then the Sun,
reflected back, with the Sun going mini-nova, leaving the Earth
in cinders?

We know little indeed.

We do know a cloud of cosmic dust is headed this way. What will
happen when it gets here is anybody's guess, but we do know what
happened in times past.

For instance, the scientists cannot guarantee that the Earth itself will

not

be a lava inferno in 2022.

The Earth could get smacked by an asteroid several miles in diameter
like in the movie "Sudden Impact", or any of a number of other
end of the world scenarios. But nobody seems to worry about those
kind of things. Except for chronic worry-warts.

They know well that periodically the Earth gets twisted bowels, and its

all

volcanoes begin erupting across the planet. Why? Nobody knows how these bows constructed and what we can expect.

Actually, volcano eruptions can be rated on a scale called the
volcanic explosivity index. It works kind of like the Richter
scale for volcanos.

The volcanic explosivity index is an eight-point gauge of the
amount of lava and ash they produce. This gives us an idea of
what we can expect.

Of course, if all the volcanoes in the world erupt at the same
time, all bets are off. In which case we can all safely say we
are doomed.

Anyway, this index measures the height to which the ash flies,
the duration of the eruption, and a number of other factors.

Here are some examples -

Nevada del Ruiz 3
Soufri�re Hill 3
Pel�e 4
Eyjafjallaj�kull 4
Vesuvius 5
St. Helens 5
Krakatoa 6
Tambora 7

That leaves us the 8s.

Coming soon, to your neighborhood, and mine, and everybody else's.

It has happened before, according to the mad scientist, noted
above, who claims we are due for an encore performance sometime
around 2020 to 2022.

"We're lucky we are in a period where the world hasn't seen
a `large' volcano." ~Kent

Yellowstone is a bigger threat to us than an asteroid impact.
And what do you think we can do to stop it from happening?
Capping a geyser like Old Faithful might actually trigger the
event rather than keep it from destoying us.

--Lee

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Neil Armstrong (allegedly the first man on the Moon) is
rumored to have disclosed his account of what he and "Buzz"
Aldrin saw to an unnamed college professor during a NASA
symposium.

Just to remind everybody what verified scientific proof Lee has.

'rumoured to have'

'unnamed collage professor'

Can we now please stop feeding the troll?





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Hello Bj�rn!

01 May 19 17:58, Bj�rn Felten wrote to Lee Lofaso:

Just to remind everybody what verified scientific proof Lee has.

'rumoured to have'
'unnamed collage professor'

Sounds just like "I heard it at University 50 years ago" to me.

Can we now please stop feeding the troll?

Sure.


Regards,
Gerrit

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On 2019 May 01 17:58:48, you wrote to Lee Lofaso:

Can we now please stop feeding the troll?

do you want to borrow my sign? :lol:

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Hello Bj�rn,

Neil Armstrong (allegedly the first man on the Moon) is
rumored to have disclosed his account of what he and "Buzz"
Aldrin saw to an unnamed college professor during a NASA
symposium.

Just to remind everybody what verified scientific proof Lee has.

'rumoured to have'

'unnamed collage professor'

Can we now please stop feeding the troll?

Feed the trolls. It's important.

Trolls are good. And necessary for the survival of Fidonet.
As such, we should thank them. And help them. By nourishing
them with by all that helps them flourish in our community.

Remember, there are many different kinds of trolls. Each
with his/her own flavor. We know who they are. Especially
the most common types, many in this very forum.

While I will not name names, I am sure you will recognize
them by a description of who they are. Here are some of the
most loveable, or despicable (depending on POV) of the lot -

The insult trolls. These trolls like to imitate the late
Don Rickles, who was a true performance artist, known as the
king of insult. These guys (and dolls) are pure haters, no
doubt about it. They have taken the art of insult to new
levels, even beyond what Don Rickles could do. They pick on
everyone and anyone - without exception - having absolutely
no morals or ethics of their own. Yes, you know who they
are. And you tolerate them, although nobody knows why.
I mean, these trolls accuse people of certain things, call
them names, anything they can do to get a negative emotional
response - or better yet to cause them to have a mental
breakdown. This type of trolling can become so severe that
these trolls should be sent back to reform school - or
wherever they came from - to that they can be cured of their
illness. Which I doubt can be cured.

The debate trolls are different. Much different. These
trolls love to debate. About anything and everything. Makes
no difference if they know what they are talking about. They
just like to debate. Persistently and forever. Without end.
Some of them put in lots of time to research what they are
talking about, and know more than those who brought up whatever
subject that has been brought up. Of course, their message is
always to challenge the message, regardless of what that message
is. These trolls know they are right, and everybody else is
wrong. That is their reason for being. These trolls are so
determined they are right that they continue ranting about
what they are saying well after everybody else has quit.

Then there are the nazi police. You know the kind. Always
correcting folks about their poor use of grammar and spelling.
So please. Make sure you always dot your i's and cross your
t's so as never to run across these trolls.

Some trolls are offended. By everything. Doesn't matter what.
They are forever offended by something. Whatever is discussed,
they are offended. Including jokes. And then they light up
the fireworks and let them fly. Thank goodness it is all digital
fireworks and not the other kind. These trolls are so good at
what they do that nobody can match them. Taking humorous pieces
of content and turning them into an argument by playing the victim.
Now that is more than good, or very good. Some call it pure genius.

The blabbermouth troll is something else. Always showing off
while knowing absolutely nothing about anything. Kind of like
the persistent debate troll, perhaps cousins. Not sure if I
would call them brothers or sisters, as that would be an insult
to other trolls. Unlike like most trolls, the blabbermouth
troll does not like to participate in arguments, preferring to
tell his/her opinion in extreme detail, even if his/her opinion
has absolutely nothing to do with the topic under discussion.
Kind of like a family member or friend who likes to hear the
sound of his/her own voice at the dinner table. They don't
care if anybody else hears them or not. They just keep on
going. And going. And going.

Apart from the intelligent trolls, noted earlier, there is the
profanity and all-caps troll. You know the kind. Having nothing
better to do with one's time, these trolls type in F-bombs and
other curse words - always with their all-caps key locked on.

There are other kinds of trolls, usually found only on Facebook,
but sometimes here when they get lost, such as the one word only
troll. These trolls are far more limited in ability, and rarely
type in anything more than "lol" or "what" or "k" or "yes" or
"no". Far from the worst kind of troll you meet online, but
still ...

We have all met the exaggeration trolls. These trolls are
kind of a combination of other kinds of trolls, not all of them
one and the same. They just like to exaggerate. About everything.
Just give them a topic they want to talk about. And off they go.
These trolls blow everything totally out of proportion. I am
not exactly sure as to how they do it, but they do. And believe
me, they are very good at what they do. Sometimes they do it
to be funny. Sometimes they succeed in making others believe
they know what they are talking about. Others do it for no other
reason than to be annoying.

We have all met the off topic troll. You know the kind. The
troll who never knows what he/she is talking about. Always
bringing up an off-topic message, having absolutely nothing to
do about whatever is being discussed. When this troll succeeds
in shifting the topic and everyone ends up talking about whatever
irrelevant thing the troll has posted, it really makes his/her
day. Even if the troll has left the scene. You see this all
the time in Facebook posts, threaded YouTube comments, on
Twitter and anywhere else there are active discussions going on.

And then there are the greedy spammer trolls. We all know who
they are. Impossible to get rid of, no matter how hard we try.
This is the kind of troll who could care less about your post
or discussion and is only there to benefit himself/herself.
You know the kind. Wants you to check out his/her page. Buy
from his/her link. Use his/her coupon code. Download his/her
free ebook. You see them all the time on social media with
their "follow me!!!" posts.

So. There you go. And these are just some of the most
common types of trolls. There are more. Many more ...

"Trolls just want to have fun." ~Anon

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Hello mark,

Can we now please stop feeding the troll?

do you want to borrow my sign? :lol:

I like mine better, thankyouberrymuch. :)

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Sounds just like "I heard it at University 50 years ago" to me.

I never said that. I *studied* him and his work at uni 50 years ago. Big difference.



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Hello Bj�rn!

02 May 19 03:09, Bj�rn Felten wrote to Gerrit Kuehn:

Sounds just like "I heard it at University 50 years ago" to me.

I never said that.

No, that's just me summing up what you said.

I *studied* him and his work at uni 50 years ago.

You didn't say that before, either.
If you did study him as you claim, it should be easy enough for you to come up with some verifiable reference. Been reading Sagan's essay meanwhile?

Big difference.

Yeah, makes your claim even more unbelievable.


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If you did study him as you claim, it should be easy enough for you to come up with some verifiable reference.

http://tinyurl.com/2rfwr




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Hi, Nathanael Culver!
I read your message from 27.04.2019 06:17

nc> https://bigthink.com/surprising-science/the-moon-is-inside-earth
nc> s-atmosphere-cl aims-study

In this case we can also say that the Earth goes through the Sun
atmosphere which is spread by the Solar wind. ;)

Bye, Nathanael!
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Hello David,

According to those in the know, mankind has never left Earth's
atmosphere, [...]

Which suggests that "those in the know" don't know at all.

Well, since nobody has ever been there, that leaves only Little
Green Men from Mars ...

You know this for sure?

H.G. Wells did.

How does one prove that mankind has never been there - lack of footprints? Of course someone would have to go there to not see the footprints...

Tom Cruise fought them off on Earth so nobody would have to go there.

--Lee

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Hello Alexander,

https://bigthink.com/surprising-science/the-moon-is-inside-earth
s-atmosphere-cl aims-study

In this case we can also say that the Earth goes through the Sun atmosphere which is spread by the Solar wind. ;)

https://youtu.be/yIor3JgQCr8

How about a galactic wave hitting the Earth, and then the Sun,
reflected back, with the Sun going mini-nova, leaving the Earth
in cinders?

It has happened before, according to the mad scientist, noted
above, who claims we are due for an encore performance sometime
around 2020 to 2022.

--Lee

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On 1/05/2019 05:25, Lee Lofaso -> David Drummond wrote:

Hello David,

According to those in the know, mankind has never left Earth's
atmosphere, [...]

Which suggests that "those in the know" don't know at all.

Well, since nobody has ever been there, that leaves only Little
Green Men from Mars ...

You know this for sure?

H.G. Wells did.

His Martians were big tall fuckers....

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Gang warily
David

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On 30/04/2019 03:17, Lee Lofaso -> David Drummond wrote:

According to those in the know, mankind has never left Earth's
atmosphere, [...]

Which suggests that "those in the know" don't know at all.

Well, since nobody has ever been there, that leaves only Little
Green Men from Mars ...

You know this for sure?

How does one prove that mankind has never been there - lack of footprints? Of course someone would have to go there to not see the footprints...

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Gang warily
David

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