Well, the citizens of the U.S Virgin Island are US citizens. Yet they
drive on the left side!
Isn't that a violation of the above Article 9?
Bj”rn Felten wrote to All <=-
I found this in the Geneva Convention:
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Geneva_Convention_on_Road_Traffic
Article 9
1. All vehicular traffic proceeding in the same direction on any
road shall keep to the same side of the road, which shall be
uniform in each country for all roads.
Well, the citizens of the U.S Virgin Island are US citizens.
Yet they drive on the left side!
Isn't that a violation of the above Article 9?
I found this in the Geneva Convention:shall
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Geneva_Convention_on_Road_Traffic
Article 9
1. All vehicular traffic proceeding in the same direction on any road
keep to the same side of the road, which shall be uniform in each country for all roads.drive
Well, the citizens of the U.S Virgin Island are US citizens. Yet they
on the left side!
Isn't that a violation of the above Article 9?
Can they vote in prez elections ?
Keep your USA-bashing to yourself, and stay on-topic for this
echo, if you don't mind.
I found this in the Geneva Convention:shall
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Geneva_Convention_on_Road_Traffic
Article 9
1. All vehicular traffic proceeding in the same direction on any road
keep to the same side of the road, which shall be uniform in each country for all roads.drive
Well, the citizens of the U.S Virgin Island are US citizens. Yet they
on the left side!
Isn't that a violation of the above Article 9?
I found this in the Geneva Convention:
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Geneva_Convention_on_Road_Traffic
Article 9
1. All vehicular traffic proceeding in the same direction on any
road shall keep to the same side of the road, which shall be
uniform in each country for all roads.
Well, the citizens of the U.S Virgin Island are US citizens.
Yet they drive on the left side!
Isn't that a violation of the above Article 9?
No, it isn't.
Keep your USA-bashing to yourself, and stay on-topic for this
echo, if you don't mind.
Well, the citizens of the U.S Virgin Island are US citizens. Yet they
drive on the left side!
Isn't that a violation of the above Article 9?
Can they vote in prez elections ?
Can they vote in prez elections ?
Yes. But only if they become a resident of a US state.
Bj”rn Felten wrote to Dan Clough <=-
Keep your USA-bashing to yourself, and stay on-topic for this
echo, if you don't mind.
Keep your paranoia to yourself. As the moderator *I* decide
what's allowed here, not you. If you don't like it, vote with
your feet.
Keep your USA-bashing to yourself, and stay on-topic for this
echo, if you don't mind.
Keep your paranoia to yourself. As the moderator *I* decide what's allowed here, not you. If you don't like it, vote with your feet.
..
To chime in with a earlier post in this echo: let's move this to the politics echo.
This has very little, if anything, to do with Fidonews.
AFAIK you allowing all kinds of political debate here may be in
violation of the rules of the echo itself?
Bj”rn Felten wrote to Joacim Melin <=-
To chime in with a earlier post in this echo: let's move this to the politics echo.
This is not about politics, it's about community information.
How many people -- even in the USA -- do you think know that
people in a US territory drives on the left side. How many do you
think even know where the Virgin Islands is located and how
things are there...?
This has very little, if anything, to do with Fidonews.
As long as nobody writes any articles to discuss, then there
would be very quiet in this echo, no?
Bj”rn Felten wrote to Joacim Melin <=-
AFAIK you allowing all kinds of political debate here may be in
violation of the rules of the echo itself?
You know wrong:
3. Discuss only articles printed in the Fidonews Publication. A
certain amount of straying from this is however expected and
encouraged.
I found this in the Geneva Convention:shall
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Geneva_Convention_on_Road_Traffic
Article 9
1. All vehicular traffic proceeding in the same direction on any road
keep to the same side of the road, which shall be uniform in eachcountry for
all roads.they drive
Well, the citizens of the U.S Virgin Island are US citizens. Yet
on the left side!
Isn't that a violation of the above Article 9?
Well, the citizens of the U.S Virgin Island are US citizens. Yet they drive on the left side!
Isn't that a violation of the above Article 9?
Can they vote in prez elections ?
A certain amount seems to be a helluva lot...
This has very little, if anything, to do with Fidonews.
As long as nobody writes any articles to discuss, then there would be
very quiet in this echo, no?
there are (or were) at least 4 or 5 political oriented echos that are available for that type of drivel...
toCan they vote in prez elections ?
No, but they can vote in the presidential primary elections for delegates
the respective national conventions. It's a mess...
that would be better than wading through all the political shite posted
in here... there are (or were) at least 4 or 5 political oriented echos that are available for that type of drivel... you've let it go on for waaaaayyyy too long and it has not been ""fun"" for at least a decade+...
there are (or were) at least 4 or 5 political oriented echos that are available for that type of drivel...
And yet, so many prefer this echo. How do you explain that? Surely nobody is forced to participate here?
that would be better than wading through all the political shite poste in here... there are (or were) at least 4 or 5 political oriented echo that are available for that type of drivel... you've let it go on for waaaaayyyy too long and it has not been ""fun"" for at least a decade+
You know what? If I want to post political shite in an echo, I prefer it to be in one moderated by Bjorn Felten....
Why?
all meant to intimidate a person on the right or on the Conservative side of life.
toCan they vote in prez elections ?
Yes. But only if they become a resident of a US state.
OTOH, women could not vote either, just a century ago. But they still had
drive on the right side of the road. :)
Keep your USA-bashing to yourself, and stay on-topic for this
echo, if you don't mind.
Keep your paranoia to yourself. As the moderator *I* decide
what's allowed here, not you. If you don't like it, vote with
your feet.
Paranoia? Where'd you get that? Nothing "paranoid" about my statement/request. That's about all you post here, is negative
stuff about the US. Can you say "obsession"?
Yeah, I know you're the moderator. You're not doing your job.
To chime in with a earlier post in this echo: let's move this to the
politics echo.
This is not about politics, it's about community information.
How many people -- even in the USA -- do you think know that people in aUS
territory drives on the left side. How many do you think even know where the Virgin Islands is located and how things are there...?
This has very little, if anything, to do with Fidonews.
As long as nobody writes any articles to discuss, then there would be very quiet in this echo, no?
To chime in with a earlier post in this echo: let's move this to the politics echo. This has very little, if anything, to do with Fidonews.
But, to each his own and I guess it's up to the moderator to decide what's right here.
Keep your USA-bashing to yourself, and stay on-topic for this
echo, if you don't mind.
Keep your paranoia to yourself. As the moderator *I* decide what's
allowed here, not you. If you don't like it, vote with your feet.
..
Even though my and Dan's political views most likely does not align I have to say I agree - AFAIK you allowing all kinds of political debate here may be in violation of the rules of the echo itself? There is a politics echo - let's use it and focus this echo on Fidonews.
To chime in with a earlier post in this echo: let's move this to the
politics echo.
This is not about politics, it's about community information.
Well actually it's nearly all about politics, USA-bashing, and
Trump bashing. NOT "community information". Gimme a break.
How many people -- even in the USA -- do you think know that
people in a US territory drives on the left side. How many do you
think even know where the Virgin Islands is located and how
things are there...?
How many people.... do you think *CARE*? That's right....
This has very little, if anything, to do with Fidonews.
The actual term would be *NOTHING*.
As long as nobody writes any articles to discuss, then there
would be very quiet in this echo, no?
Yes, it would. You seem to think that is a problem, or wrong.
AFAIK you allowing all kinds of political debate here may be in
violation of the rules of the echo itself?
You know wrong:
3. Discuss only articles printed in the Fidonews Publication. A
certain amount of straying from this is however expected and
encouraged.
Come on man. A "certain amount of straying..." does NOT even
REMOTELY cover what goes on here. Don't be ridiculous.
Please stop violating the echo rules, and do your job as the
moderator.
Well, the citizens of the U.S Virgin Island are US citizens. Yet they
drive on the left side!
Isn't that a violation of the above Article 9?
Can they vote in prez elections ?
If they're US citizens they can
A certain amount seems to be a helluva lot...
It usually is when compared to zero.
A certain amount seems to be a helluva lot...
isthere are (or were) at least 4 or 5 political oriented echos that are
available for that type of drivel...
And yet, so many prefer this echo. How do you explain that? Surely nobody
forced to participate here?
waaaaayyyyThis has very little, if anything, to do with Fidonews.
As long as nobody writes any articles to discuss, then there would be
very quiet in this echo, no?
that would be better than wading through all the political shite posted in here... there are (or were) at least 4 or 5 political oriented echos that are available for that type of drivel... you've let it go on for
too long and it has not been ""fun"" for at least a decade+...
there are (or were) at least 4 or 5 political oriented
echos that are available for that type of drivel...
And yet, so many prefer this echo.
How do you explain that?
Surely nobody is forced to participate here?
all meant to intimidate a person on the right or on the Conservative s of life.
I think it is going to be very difficult to intimidate you.
the fact remains, though, that there's a major amount of off-topic political
garbage that should be in some other area or in private... not here in
one of
the "face of fidonet" echos...
Lee Lofaso wrote to Dan Clough <=-
Keep your paranoia to yourself. As the moderator *I* decide
what's allowed here, not you. If you don't like it, vote with
your feet.
Paranoia? Where'd you get that? Nothing "paranoid" about my statement/request. That's about all you post here, is negative
stuff about the US. Can you say "obsession"?
Yeah, I know you're the moderator. You're not doing your job.
Job? What job is that?
Oh, yeah. He's the editor of the Fidonews.
You want to give him something to do.
Best way to do that is contribute an article.
Or recipe. Or puzzle. Or whatever else
floats your boat.
As per this echo, the participants make it what it is.
Not really up to the moderator to decide what anybody should,
or should not, post. After all, the participants themselves
are responsible for their own actions. Whatever that might
be.
Job? What job is that?
The *moderator* job. That wasn't obvious?
Bj”rn Felten wrote to Dan Clough <=-
Job? What job is that?
The *moderator* job. That wasn't obvious?
You're out of luck there. In your zone there is no such thing
as a moderator, and therefore no related job. It's defined in a
policy document that your zone has not ratified (e.g. Echopol1).
Maybe if you lobby your new ZC you eventually can join the
rest of the Fido world on this matter...
tothat would be better than wading through all the political shite posted
in here... there are (or were) at least 4 or 5 political oriented echos
that are available for that type of drivel... you've let it go on for
waaaaayyyy too long and it has not been ""fun"" for at least a decade+...
You know what? If I want to post political shite in an echo, I prefer it
be in one moderated by Bjorn Felten....that
Why?
Have you ever seen him flex his muscle re: moderation? Some people need
though and then become moderator of 40-50 echoes ... not Bjorn.
tothe fact remains, though, that there's a major amount of off-topic
political
garbage that should be in some other area or in private... not here in
one of
the "face of fidonet" echos...
That's your opinion.
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right
say it."
-- Voltair
I guess it can, on my behalf, be contributed to the fact that Sweden wasthe
first country in the world to constitutionalize Freedom of Speech (1766).
Conservative sall meant to intimidate a person on the right or on the
of life.
I think it is going to be very difficult to intimidate you.
True, but the difficulty for me to be intimidated partly comes from being that I am Conservative. Additionally there are also facts which history provides.
Answer that simple question, if you don't mind.
Answer that simple question, if you don't mind.
I *do* mind! Come back when you have learned how to behave amongst grown-ups.
In the meantime you can read what Lee wrote about it. He's got it spot
on.
FidoJob? What job is that?
The *moderator* job. That wasn't obvious?
You're out of luck there. In your zone there is no such thing as a moderator, and therefore no related job. It's defined in a policy document that your zone has not ratified (e.g. Echopol1).
Maybe if you lobby your new ZC you eventually can join the rest of the
world on this matter...
# This echo does not recognize any local or regional echomail
policies such as EP1. This echo originates in Zone 1 and follows
Zone 1 policies concerning the "echolist".
# The moderator is the sole person authorized to correct off-topic SD>behavior publically in the echo. You are encouraged to contact the SD>moderator via netmail (preferred) or email privately first.
Keep your paranoia to yourself. As the moderator *I* decide
what's allowed here, not you. If you don't like it, vote with
your feet.
Paranoia? Where'd you get that? Nothing "paranoid" about my
statement/request. That's about all you post here, is negative
stuff about the US. Can you say "obsession"?
Yeah, I know you're the moderator. You're not doing your job.
Job? What job is that?
The *moderator* job. That wasn't obvious?
Oh, yeah. He's the editor of the Fidonews.
You want to give him something to do.
Best way to do that is contribute an article.
Or recipe. Or puzzle. Or whatever else
floats your boat.
Distraction attempt noted.
I'm not talking about him being the editor of Fidonews. I'm talking about him NOT DOING the job of moderator.
As per this echo, the participants make it what it is.
Not really up to the moderator to decide what anybody should,
or should not, post. After all, the participants themselves
are responsible for their own actions. Whatever that might
be.
It is *EXACTLY* up to the moderator to decide what is posted, or
to be more clear, to inform others when they post off-topic and/or unacceptable things. What other *POSSIBLE* definition of a
Fidonet moderator could there be?
Instead of attempting to distract/divert, why not address the
actual problem?
In case you still don't understand the problem, it is that this echo isfull
of garbage posts that don't belong here and have *NOTHING* to do with FidoNews.
The fact that the "moderator" is one of the worst offenders of the rules makes it something which is probably not fixable.
Job? What job is that?
The *moderator* job. That wasn't obvious?
You're out of luck there. In your zone there is no such thing
as a moderator, and therefore no related job. It's defined in a
policy document that your zone has not ratified (e.g. Echopol1).
Irrelevant to whether or not the moderator is doing his job.
Another weak attempt at diversion/deflection.
# This echo does not recognize any local or regional echomail
policies such as EP1. This echo originates in Zone 1 and follows
Zone 1 policies concerning the "echolist".
Maybe if you lobby your new ZC you eventually can join the
rest of the Fido world on this matter...
Whether Z1 defines/agrees with it does not change the fact that
you, as the moderator, are not doing the job as defined in policy.
If you were, I wouldn't be seeing the political crap in the echo, regardless of what zone I'm in. Right?
Answer that simple question, if you don't mind.
For a moment, ignore Z1. Are you doing the job as defined in
policy that Z2,3,4 *DID* ratify?
Again, answer the simple question, please.
If your answer is "no", then you are *NOT* doing your job.
Bj”rn Felten wrote to Dan Clough <=-
Answer that simple question, if you don't mind.
I *do* mind! Come back when you have learned how to behave
amongst grown-ups.
In the meantime you can read what Lee wrote about it. He's got
it spot on.
Lee Lofaso wrote to Dan Clough <=-
Hello Dan,
Job? What job is that?
The *moderator* job. That wasn't obvious?
You're out of luck there. In your zone there is no such thing
as a moderator, and therefore no related job. It's defined in a
policy document that your zone has not ratified (e.g. Echopol1).
Irrelevant to whether or not the moderator is doing his job.
Another weak attempt at diversion/deflection.
# This echo does not recognize any local or regional echomail
policies such as EP1. This echo originates in Zone 1 and follows
Zone 1 policies concerning the "echolist".
The pretender rejects EP1 and all other Fidonet
documents/policies. As an excuse for his actions, he writes
something about the "echolist." Here is a little something for
your big brain to figure out -
No private elist has any official status in Fidonet.
Now think about what that means.
That is not only Zone 1 policy, but also Zone 2 policy,
and Zone 3 policy, and Zone 4 policy.
IOW, the pretender's claim to fame is based on nothing but
his own imagination.
And that makes it all very, very relevant to this discussion.
Maybe if you lobby your new ZC you eventually can join the
rest of the Fido world on this matter...
Whether Z1 defines/agrees with it does not change the fact that
you, as the moderator, are not doing the job as defined in policy.
If you were, I wouldn't be seeing the political crap in the echo, regardless of what zone I'm in. Right?
By rejecting EP1, the pretender is admitting he has no legitimacy
to act in any capacity as a "moderator". The pretender further
undermines his legitmacy by publicly admitting he is a liar,
falsely claiming a private elisting has an official status in
Zone 1.
Answer that simple question, if you don't mind.
I did. Clearly and concisely.
For a moment, ignore Z1. Are you doing the job as defined in
policy that Z2,3,4 *DID* ratify?
Yes, he is. As defined by EP1.
Again, answer the simple question, please.
I did. Clearly and concisely.
If your answer is "no", then you are *NOT* doing your job.
The pretender has no job, for two reasons. First, the pretender
rejects EP1. Second, Zone 1 also rejects EP1. Which means, in a nutshell, there are no moderators in Zone 1.
you don't know dan's age but you treat him like a child?
you don't know dan's age but you treat him like a child?
If it's one thing I've learned during my 70 years, it's that age can't always be counted in years. A certain POTUS springs to mind...
If it's one thing I've learned during my 70 years, it's that agecan't
always be counted in years. A certain POTUS springs to mind...
as does a certain FIDONEWS moderator ;)
If it's one thing I've learned during my 70 years, it's that age
can't always be counted in years. A certain POTUS springs to mind...
as does a certain FIDONEWS moderator ;)
People who nominate themselves for a certain position (out of fear that no-one else might be willing),
self-accept the self-nomination
and then most likely will vote for oneself ...
there must be a name for that ...
Desperate ??
in your case, it might fit... not mine, though... i'm not desperate for anything other than the weather to clear so i can get back to work
instead of starving in the cold wet...
in your case, it might fit... not mine, though... i'm not desperate
for anything other than the weather to clear so i can get back to
work instead of starving in the cold wet...
You talk too much.
Job? What job is that?
The *moderator* job. That wasn't obvious?
You're out of luck there. In your zone there is no such thing
as a moderator, and therefore no related job. It's defined in a
policy document that your zone has not ratified (e.g. Echopol1).
Irrelevant to whether or not the moderator is doing his job.
Another weak attempt at diversion/deflection.
Maybe if you lobby your new ZC you eventually can join the
rest of the Fido world on this matter...
Whether Z1 defines/agrees with it does not change the fact that
you, as the moderator, are not doing the job as defined in policy.
If you were, I wouldn't be seeing the political crap in the echo,
regardless of what zone I'm in. Right?
Answer that simple question, if you don't mind.
For a moment, ignore Z1. Are you doing the job as defined in
policy that Z2,3,4 *DID* ratify?
Again, answer the simple question, please.
If your answer is "no", then you are *NOT* doing your job.
... So as a preconceptual scientist, you reach a conclusion
to a theory *first*, then just ignore all evidence that proves
you're wrong?
Yep.
So you believe you're always right?
Well, since we don't hear anything to prove us wrong, logic
dictates we must be right!
Yeah... But... Just because you won't listen doesn't mean ...
La-la-la-la-la-la ...
I give up ...
See how easy it is?
Job? What job is that?
The *moderator* job. That wasn't obvious?
You're out of luck there. In your zone there is no such thing
as a moderator, and therefore no related job. It's defined in a
policy document that your zone has not ratified (e.g. Echopol1).
Irrelevant to whether or not the moderator is doing his job.
Another weak attempt at diversion/deflection.
# This echo does not recognize any local or regional echomail
policies such as EP1. This echo originates in Zone 1 and follows
Zone 1 policies concerning the "echolist".
The pretender rejects EP1 and all other Fidonet
documents/policies. As an excuse for his actions, he writes
something about the "echolist." Here is a little something for
your big brain to figure out -
No private elist has any official status in Fidonet.
Now think about what that means.
That is not only Zone 1 policy, but also Zone 2 policy,
and Zone 3 policy, and Zone 4 policy.
IOW, the pretender's claim to fame is based on nothing but
his own imagination.
And that makes it all very, very relevant to this discussion.
Maybe if you lobby your new ZC you eventually can join the
rest of the Fido world on this matter...
Whether Z1 defines/agrees with it does not change the fact that
you, as the moderator, are not doing the job as defined in policy.
If you were, I wouldn't be seeing the political crap in the echo,
regardless of what zone I'm in. Right?
By rejecting EP1, the pretender is admitting he has no legitimacy
to act in any capacity as a "moderator". The pretender further
undermines his legitmacy by publicly admitting he is a liar,
falsely claiming a private elisting has an official status in
Zone 1.
Answer that simple question, if you don't mind.
I did. Clearly and concisely.
For a moment, ignore Z1. Are you doing the job as defined in
policy that Z2,3,4 *DID* ratify?
Yes, he is. As defined by EP1.
Again, answer the simple question, please.
I did. Clearly and concisely.
If your answer is "no", then you are *NOT* doing your job.
The pretender has no job, for two reasons. First, the pretender
rejects EP1. Second, Zone 1 also rejects EP1. Which means, in a
nutshell, there are no moderators in Zone 1.
I'll not respond to you again, as you make less sense than the
"moderator" and ramble on incessantly about mumbo-jumbo.
Stop wasting my time (and yours).
you don't know dan's age but you treat him like a child?
If it's one thing I've learned during my 70 years, it's that age can't always be counted in years. A certain POTUS springs to mind...
If it's one thing I've learned during my 70 years, it's that age can't
always be counted in years. A certain POTUS springs to mind...
Maybe we should start counting people in dog years.
I mean, this is Fidonet ...
If it's one thing I've learned during my 70 years, it's that age can't
always be counted in years. A certain POTUS springs to mind...
as does a certain FIDONEWS moderator ;)
I pay no attention to what Lee writes. He appears to be just
another of your lackeys.
Lee is posting in an echo, and from a BBS, legally covered by
Swedish law. In Sweden we still allow a lot of leniency regarding BF>>freedom of speech.
But hi is off topic.
We have nothing, yet, in Swedish law that limits the freedom of
speech based on being on topic or not. I usually tell him when he's
too far off limit, and he always respects my request. Good enough
for me.
Freedom of speech is a binary freedom, like every other freedom.
Either you have it or you don't. As soon as you apply even a minor BF>restriction, that binary goes into NOT -- hey presto, you no longer
have it at all.
The same goes for every freedom you can think of. Either you
have it or you don't. There is no middle way here, you only are BF>manipulated to think so...
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