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On 04-08-19 00:07, Fidonews Robot <=-
spoke to All about FidoNews 36:14 [02/09]: E <=-
We choose to change the Policy4.
1. The ZCs select an IC.
2. The 31 RCs agree on a new proposal, needing 16 to make up a
majority.
We had 19 active RCs in the recent FTSC election, so only
12 were dormant. Maybe the sysops in those regions <see below> can
wake up some of the dormant RCs even?
3. From thereon it's just to follow the steps in P4.8.2 to 8.6.
Here is my proposal for the new 4.08:
http://eljaco.se/FILES/POLICY4.08
FOOD FOR THOUGHT
I know not what weapons World War III will be fought with, but World
War IV will be fought with sticks and stones.
-- Albert Einstein --
EDITORIAL
We choose to change the Policy4.
With those words, I'd like to propose that we actually try to
change our policy with the smallest of steps. From 4.06 to 4.07 the
only change was a really minor one (adding "the statement above").
So from 4.07 to 4.08 could be equally minor.
The reason for a minor change is that 30 years ago, when the last change was made, there were many people around who knew how the change should be made. But 30 years later, almost nobody from that time is
with us anymore. Almost nobody knows anymore how it should be done.
Making a minor change to Policy4 may be the way to pick up the old knowledge of the proper procedure, so that we eventually can make
major, much needed, changes to the document.
Ergo, the steps involved would be like this:
1. The ZCs select an IC.
2. The 31 RCs agree on a new proposal, needing 16 to make up a majority. We had 19 active RCs in the recent FTSC election, so only
12 were dormant. Maybe the sysops in those regions <see below> can
wake up some of the dormant RCs even?
3. From thereon it's just to follow the steps in P4.8.2 to 8.6.
Here is my proposal for the new 4.08:
http://eljaco.se/FILES/POLICY4.08
(A 20yo gem, still valid -- Editor's note)
You don't see my point, do you? All you folks can talk about is the technical specifications of all that we are doing.
A parable:
Fred Fidonet is interested in cars. He has a car. He talks about the
car. He knows the technical specification of the car. He spends all
his spare time tinkering with the car and tuning the car. Fred loves
his car and would be completely lost if he had to sell his car.
While they are all busy arguing, Fred's wife, Angela, would love to go
out touring, to see some of the countryside and visit friends. After
all, she thought, that's what they got the car for. It should improve
Poor Fred! Do you think he will ever get Angela back?
* Any resemblance between the characters above and the readers of this echo is purely intentional!
We choose to change the Policy4.
1. The ZCs select an IC.
OK.
2. The 31 RCs agree on a new proposal, needing 16 to make up a
majority.
Actually, what you need is 16 to make a quorum, and then a majority of those voting to agree.
We had 19 active RCs in the recent FTSC election, so only
12 were dormant. Maybe the sysops in those regions <see below> can
wake up some of the dormant RCs even?
Is that called poking the bear? :-}}
3. From thereon it's just to follow the steps in P4.8.2 to 8.6.
Here is my proposal for the new 4.08:
http://eljaco.se/FILES/POLICY4.08
I downloaded it, and did a fc on the two files. I see that all you are changing is to correct the zone number info for Fidonews editor. That
is exactly what Frank Vest tried when he made you editor. It fell on
deaf ears and got no response at all so far as I could see.
Even if you stirred up enough to put it to a vote with the RCs and then with the *Cs, many of them may not bother to vote with the feeling of
"why bother -- this change fixes nothing."
In particular, even if it passes, it would not make any other future amendments / revision easier.
On 04-09-19 07:46, Bj”rn Felten <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about FidoNews 36:14 [02/0 <=-
correct the zone number info for Fidonews editor. That
is exactly what Frank Vest tried when he made you editor.
Did he now?
correct the zone number info for Fidonews editor. That
is exactly what Frank Vest tried when he made you editor.
Did he now?
That is what he did back then. As I said, it fell on deaf ears and went
no were.
Let me put it this way ... I never heard of that ... it must have been a very local / premature attempt.
When did you become editor, Bjorn ?
2. The 31 RCs agree on a new proposal, needing 16 to make up a
majority.
Actually, what you need is 16 to make a quorum, and then a majority of
those voting to agree.
Sorry, I was wrong -- Bj”rn stated it correctly. Majority of the RCs.
correct the zone number info for Fidonews editor. That
is exactly what Frank Vest tried when he made you editor.
On 04-08-19 02:27, Dale Shipp <=-
spoke to Fidonews Robot about Re: FidoNews 36:14 [02/0 <=-
2. The 31 RCs agree on a new proposal, needing 16 to make up a
majority.
Actually, what you need is 16 to make a quorum, and then a majority of those voting to agree.
Why not just start from scratch...
Any 2 ZCs can sabotage it by refusing to play.
Only 19 RCs are active.
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