• Re: Impressive scientist from B.C

    From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Björn Felten on Tuesday, April 30, 2019 07:22:43
    Needless to say, obviously he was well aware of the fact that the Sun
    is the center of our solar system and the Earth is revolving around it, 2500 years before Copernicus "rediscovered" that fact.

    It's a bit like Columbus discovering the Americas.

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to David Drummond on Wednesday, May 01, 2019 09:06:02
    2500 years before Copernicus "rediscovered" that fact.

    It's a bit like Columbus discovering the Americas.

    ROFL - No-one knew the Americas were there before Columbus, not even the folks residing there?

    Columbus rediscovered after several largely undocumented crossings and discoveries were made.

    But he knew the Earth was round, had a compas, understood that it was 360 degrees around the globe and was able to roughly fix his position. He knew where he was, not just where he was going.

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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5020/2140.2 to Lee Lofaso on Wednesday, May 01, 2019 13:59:45
    Hi, Lee Lofaso!
    I read your message from 30.04.2019 20:25

    LL> Hello Ward,
    BF>>> Needless to say, obviously he was well aware of the
    BF>>> fact that the Sun is the center of our solar system and
    BF>>> the Earth is revolving around it, 2500 years before
    BF>>> Copernicus "rediscovered" that fact.
    WD>> It's a bit like Columbus discovering the Americas.
    LL> He was trying to get back home to China.

    It was a lie. The distance from Spain to New York is 5.5 thousand
    kilometers, and Columbus counted on the distance like that. The distance
    from New York to China is another 14 thousand kilometers. The errors is
    too much to be the mistake in calculations, taking into account that it
    is possible to calculate the sphericity of Earth using very simple
    tools. Columbus knew where China or India were to the west of Spain, and
    he searched for another land. It is interesting where he heard of it.
    The answer can probably explain why Columbus hid his source. ;-)

    Bye, Lee!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to David Drummond on Wednesday, May 01, 2019 16:42:16
    Hello David,

    Needless to say, obviously he was well aware of the fact that the Sun
    is the center of our solar system and the Earth is revolving around it,
    2500 years before Copernicus "rediscovered" that fact.

    It's a bit like Columbus discovering the Americas.

    ROFL - No-one knew the Americas were there before Columbus, not even the folks residing there?

    Injuns were not people.

    That's why Columbus brought a holy priest with him.

    Then he left. Taking one Injun with him to show King Ferdinand
    and Queen Isabella.

    When Columbus returned, no more Injuns were to be found.

    Nobody knows what happened to the settlers Columbus left behind.
    Or the Injuns. Or the holy priest.

    But at least they were saved before leaving everybody else behind.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to alexander koryagin on Wednesday, May 01, 2019 17:48:10
    Hello Alexander,

    Needless to say, obviously he was well aware of the
    fact that the Sun is the center of our solar system and
    the Earth is revolving around it, 2500 years before
    Copernicus "rediscovered" that fact.
    It's a bit like Columbus discovering the Americas.
    He was trying to get back home to China.

    It was a lie.

    We know very little about Columbus. Where he was from, what he
    looked like, and other details. All we can tell for sure is that
    he was raised by a couple in Genoa, Italy. Not that the couple
    was ever his parents. What they chose to call him is the name
    he was known by, not that he was who people thought he was.

    The distance from Spain to New York is 5.5 thousand
    kilometers, and Columbus counted on the distance like that.

    Columbus believed the Earth was shaped by a pear. Also, it should
    be realized he was brought up in Genoa around the same time that
    Marco Polo returned from China. It would only be natural that he
    would want to return to the land of his birth, given the chance.

    The distance
    from New York to China is another 14 thousand kilometers.

    Columbus was brought to Italy from the east, not the west.
    When he grew up, he wanted to continue westward, as he thought
    the distance would be shorter, and easier if he went by sea on
    a ship rather than on foot over mountains.

    The errors is too much to be the mistake in calculations, taking into account that it is possible to calculate the sphericity of Earth using
    very
    simple tools.

    Columbus was an excellent sailor, using dead reckoning to get
    where he wanted.

    Columbus knew where China or India were to the west of Spain, and
    he searched for another land.

    He had thought he had reached the West Indies, not far from China,
    until he found a native who was much different in appearance.

    It is interesting where he heard of it.
    The answer can probably explain why Columbus hid his source. ;-)

    The Piri Reis map is rumored to have been his source.
    Or a copy of it. But where did the Piri Reis map come from?

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Ward Dossche on Wednesday, May 01, 2019 17:48:22
    Hello Ward,

    2500 years before Copernicus "rediscovered" that fact.

    It's a bit like Columbus discovering the Americas.

    ROFL - No-one knew the Americas were there before Columbus, not even the
    folks residing there?

    Columbus rediscovered after several largely undocumented crossings and discoveries were made.

    There was a Chinaman who is documented to have made it to the
    Americas, as well as to other places around the world. Long before
    the days of Columbus and Magellan.

    But he knew the Earth was round,

    Columbus thought the Earth was shaped like a pear.

    had a compas,

    Columbus used dead reckoning, the compass had only recently been
    invented and not widely in use, and he had no means of calculating
    longitude.

    understood that it was 360 degrees around the globe

    His "globe" was not a sphere, but a pear. The circumference
    at the top being far smaller than the circumference at the bottom.
    And twice as long the other way around.

    and was able to roughly fix his position.

    He was far off his mark, by many thousands of miles.

    He knew where he was,

    He had absolutely no idea where he was. And neither did his crew.

    not just where he was going.

    Nobody knew where they were going, including Columbus.

    --Lee

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Lee Lofaso on Wednesday, May 01, 2019 22:41:00

    He knew where he was,

    He had absolutely no idea where he was. And neither did his crew.

    If he didn't know where he was, there was no way for him to make it back either. But he did. And when doing so, found the Azores spot on ... and his Spanish home port.

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Gerrit Kuehn on Thursday, May 02, 2019 01:39:10
    No verifiable reference, no science, no argument.

    Kinda like "I believe in this deity because I *know* that it exists".

    But I wrote about this impressive scientist FYI not to start a debate. I'm sorry that your school doesn't inform you about him. Maybe he was one of many ripped out of your history books by the Church?



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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Ward Dossche on Thursday, May 02, 2019 02:01:37
    Hello Ward,

    He knew where he was,

    He had absolutely no idea where he was. And neither did his crew.

    If he didn't know where he was, there was no way for him to make it back either. But he did.

    He never made it back to China, the land of his birth.
    He did manage to return to Spain, after landing in some
    far-off land he never knew existed. Rather than using
    a compass, which was a very new invention, Columbus
    used dead reckoning as his means of navigation.

    And when doing so, found the Azores spot on ... and his Spanish home port.

    Of course he did, as he had been there before.

    --Lee

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Lee Lofaso on Thursday, May 02, 2019 07:25:16
    And when doing so, found the Azores spot on ... and his Spanish home
    port.

    Of course he did, as he had been there before.

    Of course, he just had to follow the breadcrum he dropped while on the outbound
    voyage.

    \%/@rd

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  • From nathanael culver@3:712/886 to Björn Felten on Wednesday, May 01, 2019 11:46:32
    Almost nobody recognises the name Yajnavalkya. He was an astronomer who lived in India 3000 years ago.

    He was a Hindu Vedic sage. I'll take this as your admission that it is
    possible for a religious person to be a good scientist.

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to nathanael culver on Thursday, May 02, 2019 13:19:15
    He was a Hindu Vedic sage. I'll take this as your admission that it is possible for a religious person to be a good scientist.

    I've never questioned that. They were one group of people who had all the time in the world. What I objected to was that *most* scientists were religious.



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  • From nathanael culver@3:712/886 to Björn Felten on Thursday, May 02, 2019 23:20:37
    What I objected to was that *most* scientists were religious.

    That you oject to the fact is obvious. The question is, why would anyone care what you object to?

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to nathanael culver on Thursday, May 02, 2019 17:26:54
    The question is, why would anyone care
    what you object to?

    Good question. Why do you?



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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to nathanael culver on Friday, May 03, 2019 11:06:18
    On 3/05/2019 01:20, 3:712/886 wrote:
    What I objected to was that *most* scientists were religious.

    That you oject to the fact is obvious. The question is, why would anyone care what you object to?

    For the same reason they might care what you object to or believe.

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    David

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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5020/2140.2 to Lee Lofaso on Friday, May 03, 2019 22:53:28
    Hi, Lee Lofaso!
    I read your message from 01.05.2019 16:48

    BF>>>>> Needless to say, obviously he was well aware of the fact that
    BF>>>>> the Sun is the center of our solar system and the Earth is
    BF>>>>> revolving around it, 2500 years before
    BF>>>>> Copernicus "rediscovered" that fact.
    WD>>>> It's a bit like Columbus discovering the Americas.
    LL>>> He was trying to get back home to China.

    ak>> It was a lie.
    LL> We know very little about Columbus. Where he was from, what he
    LL> looked like, and other details. All we can tell for sure is that he
    LL> was raised by a couple in Genoa, Italy. Not that the couple was
    LL> ever his parents. What they chose to call him is the name he was
    LL> known by, not that he was who people thought he was.

    ak>> The distance from Spain to New York is 5.5 thousand kilometers,
    ak>> and Columbus counted on the distance like that.

    LL> Columbus believed the Earth was shaped by a pear. Also, it should
    LL> be realized he was brought up in Genoa around the same time that
    LL> Marco Polo returned from China. It would only be natural that he
    LL> would want to return to the land of his birth, given the chance.

    The size of the Earth was calculated 2000 years before Columbus, by
    ancient Greeks. I repeat, that it is a trivial task.

    Bye, Lee!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From Gerrit Kuehn@2:240/12 to Bj÷rn Felten on Friday, May 03, 2019 20:28:44
    Hello Bjrn!

    02 May 19 01:39, Bjrn Felten wrote to Gerrit Kuehn:

    No verifiable reference, no science, no argument.

    Kinda like "I believe in this deity because I *know* that it
    exists".

    Not at all, as we're not talking about any deity here, but a human being whose astronomical works you claimed to have studied at your university.

    But I wrote about this impressive scientist FYI not to start a
    debate. I'm sorry that your school doesn't inform you about him.
    Maybe he was one of many ripped out of your history books by the
    Church?

    Well, looks more like you're trying to run some kind of social experiment here.
    So I won't be part of any further discussion (that you didn't want to start, anyway) then, either.


    Regards,
    Gerrit

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Ward Dossche on Saturday, May 04, 2019 02:23:59
    Hello Ward,

    And when doing so, found the Azores spot on ... and his Spanish home
    port.

    Of course he did, as he had been there before.

    Of course, he just had to follow the breadcrum he dropped while on the outbound voyage.

    Marco Polo took the land route.
    Columbus took the sea route.
    With lots of noodles from China in tow.

    Which is how Magellan was able to make
    it (almost) to where he wanted to go.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Ward Dossche on Tuesday, April 30, 2019 21:25:59
    Hello Ward,

    Needless to say, obviously he was well aware of the fact that the Sun
    is the center of our solar system and the Earth is revolving around it,
    2500 years before Copernicus "rediscovered" that fact.

    It's a bit like Columbus discovering the Americas.

    He was trying to get back home to China.

    --Lee

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  • From Gerrit Kuehn@2:240/12 to Bj÷rn Felten on Tuesday, April 30, 2019 20:54:00
    Hello Bjrn!

    30 Apr 19 03:54, Bjrn Felten wrote to All:

    Almost nobody recognises the name Yajnavalkya. He was an astronomer
    who lived in India 3000 years ago.

    Indeed, I never heard the name. Got any citations? Are you sure you didn't confuse him with Aryabhata (who lived around 500)? I very much doubt that any human being living 3000 years ago had the mathmatical tools at hand to calculate what you claimed.


    Regards,
    Gerrit

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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to Ward Dossche on Wednesday, May 01, 2019 10:49:21
    On 30/04/2019 07:22, 2:292/854 wrote:

    Needless to say, obviously he was well aware of the fact that the Sun
    is the center of our solar system and the Earth is revolving around it,
    2500 years before Copernicus "rediscovered" that fact.

    It's a bit like Columbus discovering the Americas.

    ROFL - No-one knew the Americas were there before Columbus, not even the folks residing there?

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    David

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to All on Tuesday, April 30, 2019 03:54:44
    Almost nobody recognises the name Yajnavalkya. He was an astronomer who lived in India 3000 years ago.

    Not only did he calculate a 95 year cycle for synchronizing the movements of
    the Moon and the Sun in time, but based on his calculations he came up with a mean value of 365.2467 days for the Earth's tropical year.

    That my friends is only six minutes(!) longer than the actual value that we know of today. It might even have been more accurate 3000 years ago. Knowing this, we wouldn't have to keep up with Julian vs. Gregorian calender changes.

    Needless to say, obviously he was well aware of the fact that the Sun is the
    center of our solar system and the Earth is revolving around it, 2500 years before Copernicus "rediscovered" that fact.



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