• FidoNews 36:19 [00/07]: The Front Page

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    The F I D O N E W S Volume 36, Number 19 13 May 2019 +--------------------------+-----------------------------------------+
    | |The newsletter of the | | |
    | | FidoNet community. | | Netmail attach to (POTS): |
    | | | | Editor @ 2:2/2 (+46-31-960447) |
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    | | / / \ | Editor @ 2:203/0 |
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    | |__U__| / \// | Editor: BjĒrn Felten |
    | ______ _//|| _\ / | |
    | / Fido \ (_/(_|(____/ | Newspapers should have no friends. |
    | (________) (jm) | -- JOSEPH PULITZER | +--------------------------+-----------------------------------------+


    Table of Contents
    1. GENERAL ARTICLES ......................................... 1
    The numbers .............................................. 1
    A new RC45 ............................................... 2
    2. LIST OF FIDONET IPV6 NODES ............................... 3
    List of IPv6 nodes ....................................... 3
    3. JAMNNTPD SERVERS LIST .................................... 6
    The Johan Billing JamNNTPd project ....................... 6
    4. FIDONEWS'S FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING ...................... 7
    5. SPECIAL INTEREST ......................................... 14
    Statistics from the Fidoweb .............................. 14
    Nodelist Stats ........................................... 15
    6. FIDONEWS INFORMATION ..................................... 17
    How to Submit an Article ................................. 17
    Credits, Legal Infomation, Availability .................. 19

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    GENERAL ARTICLES =================================================================

    The numbers
    Ward Dossche - 2:292/854

    Maybe time for some realism. The nodelist may be what it is but
    numbers donít lie.

    There were days when Fidonet eclipsed around 36.000 nodes in the
    mid-1990-ies but that is like 25 years ago.

    These are todayís numbers, 915 individual sysop-names. There may
    be some variation depending on how one looks at the nodelist but
    all administrative overhead, Down, Hold and vanity-numbers were
    removed and then that is the meager result.

    ZONE-1 302 33,01%
    ZONE-2 571 62,40%
    ZONE-3 24 2,26%
    ZONE-4 18 1,97%

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    A new RC45
    By Ward Dossche @ 2:292/854


    An election was held in R45 (Belarus) to find a new RC.

    The election was run by Avshalom Donskoi of 2:400/2992, the
    RC40 (Israel).

    The new RC45 is Alexey Korotkov of 2:455/19.

    Congratulations Alexey, you have a job to do as some will be
    quick to point out to you.

    And thank you Avshalom for running this.

    \%/@rd Dossche
    ZC2

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    LIST OF FIDONET IPV6 NODES =================================================================

    List of IPv6 nodes
    By Michiel van der Vlist, 2:280/5555

    Updated 29 Apr 2019


    Node Nr. Sysop Type Provider Remark

    1 2:280/464 Wilfred van Velzen Native Xs4All f
    2 2:280/5003 Kees van Eeten Native Xs4All f
    3 2:5019/40 Konstantin Kuzov T-6in4 he.net f PO4
    4 2:280/5555 Michiel van der Vlist Native Ziggo f
    5 1:320/219 Andrew Leary Native Comcast f
    6 2:221/1 Tommi Koivula T-6in4 he.net f
    7 2:221/6 Tommi Koivula T-6in4 he.net f
    8 2:5053/54 Denis Mikhlevich Native TTK-Volga
    9 2:5030/257 Vova Uralsky Native PCextreme
    10 1:154/10 Nicholas BoČl Native Spectrum f
    11 2:203/0 BjĒrn Felten T-6in4 he.net
    12 2:280/5006 Kees van Eeten Native Xs4All f INO4
    13 3:712/848 Scott Little T-6RD iiNet f IO
    14 2:5020/545 Alexey Vissarionov Native Hetzner f
    15 1:103/17 Stephen Hurd T-6in4 he.net
    16 2:5020/9696 Alexander Skovpen T-6to4 Westlan
    17 2:301/812 Benoit Panizzon Native IMPNET
    18 2:421/790 Viktor Cizek T-6in4 he.net
    19 2:222/2 Kim Heino Native TeliaSonera
    20 3:633/280 Stephen Walsh Native AusNetServers f
    21 2:463/877 Alex Shuman Native Nline f IO
    22 1:19/10 Matt Bedynek T-6in4 he.net
    23 3:770/1 Paul Hayton T-6in4 he.net
    24 2:5053/58 Alexander Kruglikov Native Aruba S.p.a f
    25 1:103/1 Stephen Hurd Native Choopa
    26 3:633/281 Stephen Walsh Native Internode
    27 2:310/31 Richard Menedetter Native DE-NETCUP f
    28 3:633/410 Tony Langdon Native IINET
    29 2:5005/33 Evgeny Zyatkov Native RUCITYCONNECT f 6DWN
    30 2:5020/329 Oleg Lukashin Native Comfortel f
    31 2:246/1305 Emil Schuster Native TAL.DE
    32 2:2448/4000 Tobias Burchhardt Native DTAG IO
    33 2:331/51 Marco d'Itri Native BOFH-IT
    34 1:214/22 Ray Quinn T-6to4 AT&T f 6DWN
    35 1:154/30 Mike Miller Native LINODE
    36 1:282/1031 Jeff Smith Native Qwest
    37 2:5083/444 Peter Khanin Native OVH 6DWN
    38 2:5001/100 Dmitry Protasoff Native Hetzner 6DWN
    39 2:5059/38 Andrey Mundirov T-6in4 he.net
    40 2:240/5853 Philipp Giebel Native Hetzner
    41 2:2452/413 Ingo Juergensmann Native RRBONE-COLO f
    42 1:123/10 Wayne Smith T-6in4 he.net
    43 2:5021/46 Dmitry Komissarov Native THEFIRST
    44 2:4500/1 Eugene Kozhuhovsky Native DATAHATA6 6DWN
    45 2:5080/102 Stas Degteff T-6to4 Novator 6DWN
    46 1:135/300 Eric Renfro Native Choopa
    47 1:135/371 Eric Renfro Native Cox Comm Down
    48 1:103/13 Stephen Hurd Native Choopa
    49 2:5020/1042 Michael Dukelsky Native FORPSI Ktis f
    50 2:5095/0 Sergey V. Efimoff T-6in4 he.net
    51 2:5095/20 Sergey V. Efimoff T-6in4 he.net
    52 4:902/26 Fernando Toledo T-6in4 he.net 6DWN
    53 2:400/2992 Avshalom Donskoi Native OVH f PM*1
    54 2:5019/400 Konstantin Kuzov Native LT-LT
    55 2:467/239 Mihail Kapitanov T-6in4 he.net f
    56 2:463/1331 Andrei Dzedolik Native DIGITALOCEAN
    57 2:5010/275 Evgeny Chevtaev T-6in4 TUNNELBROKER-0 f
    58 2:5020/736 Egor Glukhov Native VPSVILLE f
    59 2:280/2000 Michael Trip Native Xs4All
    60 2:230/38 Benny Pedersen Native Linode
    61 2:460/58 Stas Mishchenkov T-6in4 he.net f
    62 1 135/367 Antonio Rivera Native RRSW-V6
    63 2:5020/2123 Anton Samsonov T-6in4 he.net
    64 2:5020/2332 Andrey Ignatov Native ru.rtk
    65 1:340/201 Michael Pierce Native ComCast 6DWN
    66 2:5005/49 Victor Sudakov T-6in4 he.net
    67 2:5005/77 Valery Lutoshkin T-6in4 NTS f
    68 2:5005/106 Alexey Osiyuk T-6in4 he.net f
    69 1:153/757 Alan Ianson Native TELUS
    70 2:5057/53 Ivan Kovalenko T-6in4 he.net f
    71 2:5020/921 Andrew Savin Native Starlink
    72 2:5010/352 Dmitriy Smirnov Native EkranTV f
    73 2:292/854 Ward Dossche Native Belgacom OO
    74 2:469/122 Sergey Zabolotny Native ARUBA-NET f
    75 2:5053/400 Denis Mikhlevich Native TTK-Volga
    76 1:14/5 Jeff Smith Native Qwest

    T-6in4 Static 6in4
    T-AYIY Dynamic AYIYA
    T-6to4 6to4
    T-6RD 6RD

    Remarks:

    f Has a ::f1d0:<zone>:<net>:<node> style host address
    IO Incoming only (Node can not make outgoing IPv6 calls)
    OO Outgoing only (Node can not accept incoming IPv6 calls)
    INO4 No IPv4 (Node can not accept incoming IPv4 calls)
    PO4 Prefers Out on 4 (Node can make outgoing IPv6 calls,
    but is configured to try IPv4 first)
    6DWN The IPv6 connectivity of this node is temporarely down.
    DOWN This node is temporarely down for both IPv4 and IPv6
    PM Prospective Member. The node has demonstrated IPv6
    capability but is not listed or does not advertise an
    IPv6 address in the Fidonet nodelist yet.
    *1 IPv6 address: 2001:41d0:303:69c6:f1d0:2:400:2992


    Notes:

    To make an IPv6 connection to a node connected via 6to4 tunneling
    one may have to force the mailer into IPv6 (-6 option in binkd's
    node config for binkd up to 1.1a-96, -64 option for binkd 1.1a-97
    and up). If the destination address is a 6to4 tunnel address
    (2002::/16) many OSs default to IPv4 if an IPv4 address is present.

    Submitted on day 132

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    JAMNNTPD SERVERS LIST =================================================================

    The Johan Billing JamNNTPd project

    This is a list of known JamNNTPd servers working. They are essentially
    the modern version of Bulletin Board Systems.

    You connect to them using the newsreader of your choice and you don't
    need any other software installed on your computer -- regardless of
    operating system -- but that favourite mail client of yours.

    Even smart phones can handle this, giving you the opportunity to get
    your daily doses of fidonet on the bus, tram or train on the way to
    your job, school or whatever.


    Updated 2019-02-23


    URL news://eljaco.se
    Join http://fidonews.eu
    NETMAIL Yes, 2:203/2

    URL news://rbb.bbs.fi
    Join Info in group +GETACCESS+
    NETMAIL Yes, 2:221/360

    URL nntp://fidonews.mine.nu
    URL nntps://fidonews.mine.nu
    Join http://fidonews.mine.nu
    NETMAIL Yes, 2:221/6

    URL nntp://news.bytemuseum.org
    nntps://news.bytemuseum.org (secure)
    Join Info in group +ACCCESS&SUPPORT+
    NETMAIL Yes, 1:19/10

    URL nntp://news.pharcyde.org
    Join Info in group, +GETACCESS+
    NETMAIL Yes, 1:154/10

    URL: news.tequilamockingbirdonline.net
    Join mailto:sysop@tequilamockingbirdonline.net
    NETMAIL Yes, 1:266/404

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    FIDONEWS'S FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING =================================================================



    =================================================================
    FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING
    =================================================================

    BBS Software List

    Updated 2019-05-09

    Maintained by Andrew Leary (1:320/219)
    Editors Emeritus: Robert Couture, Janis Kracht,
    Sean Dennis

    M=Mailer T=Tosser B=BBS D=Door C=Comm/Terminal
    P=Points E=Editor I=Internet U=Utility #=Info
    F=TIC/SRIF Processor

    *=Software is available and may be registerable,
    but no longer supported or updated.

    @=Website is operating but is no longer updated.

    ?=Software's updating/support status is unknown.

    O=Software is open source.

    This list contains BBS-related software that is available
    for registration (not necessarily supported), open source
    software and actively developed/supported software by its
    author. Software listed may be available for DOS, Linux,
    OS/2 (eComStation), Windows (16 or 32 bit) and OSX.

    .- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -.
    |Software: Author |Type |URL, Contact, Ver, Notes Help Node|
    `- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -'

    ==> FRONT-END/INTERNET MAILERS

    Argus |MI*? |http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products
    | | /argus/
    | | v3.210 on 2001-03-29

    BinkleyTerm XE |MO* |http://btxe.sourceforge.net
    | | 2.60XE Beta-XH7 on 2000-10-22

    BinkD |MI? |http://binkd.grumbler.org
    | | gul@gul.kiev.ua 2:463/68
    | | v.1.0.4
    | | v.1.1a-99 (alpha)
    | | ftp://cvs.happy.kiev.ua/pub/fidosoft
    | | /mailer/binkd/
    | |http://www.filegate.net/r50/aftnbinkd/

    D'Bridge |MTCPE|http://www.dbridgemailer.com
    |I | support@dbridgemailer.com 1:1/130
    Nick Andre | | v3.99 SR 42 on 2019-04-20

    FIDO-Deluxe IP |MPUI |http://www.datenbahn.dd-dns.de/
    | | cdp/fp_deluxe/
    | | v2.4 on 2003-09-26

    FrontDoor, FD/APX: |MITPC|http://www.defsol.se 2:20/4609
    Definite Solutions |E | sales@defsol.se
    | | FD v2.33ml, FD/APX v1.15

    InterMail |MCPE |http://www.Intermail.net 1:220/60
    Dale Barnes | | dalebarnes42@majik.net
    | | IM v2.60 on 2017-08-28

    Husky Project |MTPUI|http://husky.sourceforge.net/
    |EO? | v1.9 RC2 on 2010-04-20

    Taurus |MI |http://www.fidotel.com/public/forums/
    (based on Radius) |? | taurus/index.htm
    | | v5.0 on 2006-06-12
    | |

    T-Mail |MI |http://www.tmail.spb.ru (Russian only)
    |? | v2608 on 2001-12-12

    AfterShock |MTEI |https://play.google.com/store/apps/
    Asvcorp | | details?id=com.asvcorp.aftershock
    Anatoly Vdovichev | | rudi.timmer@mail.ch 2:292/140
    Rudi Timmermans | | v1.6.7 on 2017-11-19

    HotDogEd |E |https://play.google.com/store/apps/
    Sergey Pushkin | | details?id=com.pushkin.hotdoged
    | | v2.13.5 on 2017-03-13 2:5020/2141

    HotDogEd FidoNet |MTI |https://play.google.com/store/apps/
    Provider | | details?id=com.pushkin.hotdoged.fido
    Sergey Pushkin | | v2.13.5 on 2017-03-13 2:5020/2141

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    MAIL TOSSERS

    Crashmail II |TO |http://ftnapps.sourceforge.net/
    | | crashmail.html

    FastEcho |T |http://www.softeq.de/old/Products
    | | /FastEcho/fastecho.html
    | | v1.46.1 on 2007-11-13
    | | Registration keys are free & available
    | | by request from the author

    Fidogate |TUI? |http://www.fidogate.org
    | | v4.4.10 on 2004-08-27
    | |

    FMail |TO |https://sourceforge.net/projects/fmail/
    | | v2.0.1.4 on 2017-04-21

    InterEcho |T |http://www.Intermail.net 1:220/60
    Dale Barnes | | dalebarnes42@majik.net
    | | IE 1.20 on 2017-08-28

    JetMail: JetSys |TU |
    (ATARI ST only) | | v1.01 on 2000-01-01

    Squish |T* |http://www.filegate.net/maximus_bbs/
    | | v1.11R2 on 2009-01-01
    | | Source code available in Maximus BBS
    | | archive: http://maximus.sourceforge.net


    WWIVToss |T |http://www.weather-station.org/wwiv/
    | | v1.51 on 2015-05-23

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    BBS SOFTWARE

    BBBS |BICTM|http://www.bbbs.net 2:22/222
    | | b@bbbs.net
    | | v4.01 on 2007-01-28

    EleBBS |BO*? |http://www.elebbs.com
    | | v0.10.RC1 on 2002-06-09

    Enthral BBS |B |http://enthralbbs.com 1:250/501
    Linux/BSD/OSX | | v0.429/Alpha on 2010-10-14
    | | Fidonet filebone SCENEENT

    Ezycom BBS |BT* |http://www.ezycom-bbs.com 3:690/682
    | | v2.15g2 on 2009-11-16

    GT Power |B |http://www.gtpowerbbs.com/
    | | v19.00

    Hermes II Project |BT |http://www.hermesbbs.com/
    Macintosh-based | | malyn@strangegizmo.com
    | | v3.5.10b3

    Maximus BBS |BO* |http://www.filegate.net/maximus_bbs/
    | | v3.03
    | | Source code available at:
    | | http://maximus.sourceforge.net/

    MBSE BBS |BMTFI|http://sourceforge.net/projects/mbsebbs
    |PO | ajleary@sourceforge.net
    | | v1.0.7.12 on 2019-03-15

    Meltdown BBS |UIO |http://meltdown-bbs.sourceforge.net/
    | | v1.0b on 2004-04-26

    Mystic BBS |BMTCE|http://www.mysticbbs.com
    |IO | v1.12 A43 on 2019-02-01

    NiKom BBS (Amiga) |BO |http://www.nikom.org
    | | v2.3.1 on 2017-07-01

    RemoteAccess BBS |B? |http://www.rapro.com 1:1/120
    | | bfmorse@rapro.com
    | | v2.62.2SW

    Renegade BBS |B |http://renegadebbs.info 1:129/305
    | | v1.10/DOS on 2009-10-03

    Spitfire BBS |B? |http://www.buffalocrk.com/
    | | mdwoltz@buffalocrk.com
    | | v3.7 on 2010-01-01

    Synchronet BBS |BMTIO|http://www.synchro.net 1:103/705
    | | v3.17b on 2019-01-01

    Telegard BBS |B* |
    | | v3.09g2-sp4/mL on 1999-12-19

    WildCat! Interactive |MTBEI|http://www.santronics.com
    Net Server, Platinum| | sales@santronics.com
    Xpress: Santronics | |
    Software, Inc. | | v7.0 AUP 454.5 on 2016-06-23

    WWIV BBS |B |http://www.wwivbbs.org
    | | v5.00 on 2015-12-14

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    TIC PROCESSORS/FILEFIX/SRIF

    Allfix |FIUT |http://www.allfix.com/ 1:140/12
    Bob Seaborn | | v6.0.22 on 2011-01-26

    NEF/pk |F |http://nefpk.8m.com/
    | | v2.45b2 on 2000-03-05

    TinyTIC |FO |http://ftnapps.sourceforge.net
    | | /tinytic.html
    | | 1:120/544

    VIReq |FO |http://ftnapps.sourceforge.net
    | | /vireq.html
    | | 1:120/544

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    BBS DOORS/UTILITIES

    Cheepware |DU |http://outpostbbs.net/cheepware.html
    Sean Dennis | | sysop@outpostbbs.net 1:18/200
    | | Fidonet filebone CH-WARE

    DDS (Doorware |D@ |http://www.doorgames.org
    Distribution System)| | ruth@doorgames.org
    Ruth Argust | |

    Jibben Software |D* |http://www.jibbensoftware.com/
    | | bbs-door-games.cfm
    | | scott@jibben.com
    | | 1995-99 Release dates

    John Dailey Software |DU |http://www.johndaileysoftware.com

    Shining Star |D* |http://www.shiningstar.net/bbsdoors/
    | | nannette@shiningstar.net
    | | Doors are registerable via website

    Sunrise Doors: |D |http://www.sunrisedoors.com
    Al Lawrence | | al@sunrisedoors.com
    | | Tel: (404) 256-9518

    T1ny's Software |DU |http://www.tinysbbs.com/files/tsoft/
    Shawn Highfield | | shighfield@gmail.com 1:229/452
    | | Fidonet filebone CH-WARE

    The Brainex System |D |http://www.brainex.com/brainex_system/
    | | stanley@brainex.com
    | | 1994-99 Releases

    Trade Wars |D* |http://www.eisonline.com/tradewars/
    | | jpritch@eisonline.com
    | | v3.09 (DOS-32) in 2002

    Vagabond Software |DU* |http://vbsoft.dhakota.org
    | | d@dhakota.org
    | | Last update: 2008-04-11

    WWIVEdit |DE |http://www.weather-station.org/wwiv/
    | | v3.0 on 2011-06-27

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    POINT SOFTWARE

    CrossPoint (XP) |P? |http://www.crosspoint.de (German only)
    | | pm@crosspoint.de
    | | v3.12d on 1999-12-22

    FreeXP |P |http://www.freexp.de (German only)
    | | support@freexp.de
    | | v3.42 on 2010-06-27

    FidoIP |PO |http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki
    | | /fidoip/
    | | v.1.0.5 on 2010-12

    OpenXP |PIO |https://sourceforge.net/projects
    | | /openxp5/ 2:240/2188.31
    | |http://openxp.uk Windows/Linux
    | | dev@openxp.uk English/German
    | | v5.0.28 on 2016-09-10

    WinPoint |P? |http://www.winpoint.org
    | | English/German/Spanish
    | | v5 (Beta Release) on 2017-03-17
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    SYSOP MAIL EDITORS

    GoldEd+ |EO |http://golded-plus.sourceforge.net/
    | | v1.1.5 (Snapshot) on 2015-11-30
    | | NOTE: Unstable versions released often

    SqEd32 |E |http://www.sqed.de 2:2476/493
    | | v1.15 on 1999-12-15
    | | Website is in German and English

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    INTERNET UTILITIES

    Ifmail |UIO |http://ifmail.sourceforge.net
    | | crosser@average.org

    Internet Rex |UI? |http://members.shaw.ca/InternetRex/
    | | telnet://xanadubbs.ca 1:342/806
    | | v2.29 on 2001-10-21

    JamNNTPd |UIO |http://ftnapps.sourceforge.net
    | | /jamnntpd.html
    | | 1:120/544

    Luckygate |UO | ftp://happy.kiev.ua/pub/fidosoft/gate
    | | /lgate
    | | gul@gul.kiev.ua

    MakeNL |UO |http://makenl.sourceforge.net
    | | v3.4.6 on 2016-12-01

    RNtrack |U |http://sourceforge.net/projects
    | | /ftrack-as 2:5080/102
    | |stas_degteff@users.sourceforge.net
    | | v1.32 on 2011-04-29

    TransNet |UIO? |http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mressl/
    | | transnet/index.html
    | | transnet@ressl.com.ar
    | | v2.11 on 2007-09-13

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    INFORMATIONAL WEBSITES/BBS LISTS

    Telnet/Dialup BBS |# |http://www.telnetbbsguide.com 1:275/89
    Guide | | Maintained by Dave Perrussel
    | | This is probably the most updated BBS
    | | list on the Internet for a general
    | | BBS list.

    Synchronet BBS List |# |http://www.synchro.net/sbbslist.html
    | | Maintained automatically
    | | This list is specifically for
    | | Synchronet-based BBS systems and is
    | | automatically updated nightly.

    The BBS Corner |# |http://www.bbscorner.com
    | | This website is more than just files,
    | | it's an encyclopedia of knowledge for
    | | BBS sysops and people who want to
    | | become sysops. This site is run by
    | | the same person who does the Telnet
    | | BBS Guide.

    BBS Nexus |# |https://bbsnexus.com
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    Last week's statistics from the Fidoweb
    By EchoTime, 2:203/0

    (Some nets may have lost their last
    digit for technical reasons)

    pkt (toss-toss) msg (write-toss)
    nodes mean dev no mean dev no

    154/* 5.1m 4.6m 247 1.0h 2.7h 246
    201/* 1.1m 0.5m 6 16.0h 8.2h 6
    221/* 0.7m 0.3m 280 5.6h 9.2h 280
    240/* 0.2m 0.2m 5 35.6h 47.6h 5
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    320/* 2.0m 1.0m 294 2.2h 6.5h 293
    502/* 0.8m 0.2m 5 5.7h 7.2h 5

    Sigma 2.0m 3.9m 1283 4.3h 8.4h 1280

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    Nodelist Stats

    Input nodelist nodelist.130
    size 182.7kb
    date 2019-05-10

    The nodelist has 976 nodes in it
    and a total of 1445 non-comment entries

    including 4 zones
    31 regions
    170 hosts
    73 hubs
    admin overhead 278 ( 28.48 %)

    and 109 private nodes
    32 nodes down
    50 nodes on hold
    off line overhead 191 ( 19.57 %)


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    1200 = 0 ( 0.00 %)
    300 = 705 ( 72.23 %)

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    IBN Binkp 743 ( 76.13 %) ----------------------------------
    IFC Raw ifcico 84 ( 8.61 %) ----------------------------------
    IFT FTP 63 ( 6.45 %) ----------------------------------
    ITN Telnet 154 ( 15.78 %) ----------------------------------
    IVM Vmodem 10 ( 1.02 %) ----------------------------------
    IP Other 5 ( 0.51 %) ----------------------------------
    INO4 IPv6 only 1 ( 0.10 %) ----------------------------------

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    MailOnly nodes = 308 ( 31.56 %)
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  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to FidoNews Robot on Sunday, May 12, 2019 21:55:00
    The numbers
    Ward Dossche - 2:292/854

    Maybe time for some realism. The nodelist may be what it is but
    numbers don't lie.

    There were days when Fidonet eclipsed around 36.000 nodes in the
    mid-1990-ies but that is like 25 years ago.

    These are today's numbers, 915 individual sysop-names. There may
    be some variation depending on how one looks at the nodelist but
    all administrative overhead, Down, Hold and vanity-numbers were
    removed and then that is the meager result.

    ZONE-1 302 33,01%
    ZONE-2 571 62,40%
    ZONE-3 24 2,26%
    ZONE-4 18 1,97%


    Thanks for those numbers, Ward. Very interesting how much things
    have changed.

    Not sure what the comment on "realism" means... I think we all
    know that Fidonet is not what it was 25 years ago.

    At least it's still around, right?



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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Dan Clough on Monday, May 13, 2019 08:01:50
    Dan,

    Thanks for those numbers, Ward. Very interesting how much things
    have changed.

    Thank you sir.

    The interesting thing is ... there is growth. Mot much but I have noticed it in
    the entries running BBS\Fidonet-systems.

    My intention is to run this again in a few months and see where we get. There still is dead wood ...

    Not sure what the comment on "realism" means... I think we all
    know that Fidonet is not what it was 25 years ago.

    "realism" .... good point ... I would say, but I'm going to use the wrong words, the relative unimportance of what we're doing, the relative unimportance
    of the Elflords (including myself) and let's not be too serious about ourselves.

    On the other hand, I still learn every week by following some of the technical platforms hence Fidonet has been a tremendous learning experience that could not have been offered by the internet.

    There was a lot of good in Fidonet ... still is.

    At least it's still around, right?

    Absolutely ... I love some of the stuff that is being handed around here ...

    \%/@rd

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  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to Ward Dossche on Monday, May 13, 2019 08:10:00
    Ward Dossche wrote to Dan Clough <=-

    Thanks for those numbers, Ward. Very interesting how much things
    have changed.

    Thank you sir.

    The interesting thing is ... there is growth. Mot much but I have
    noticed it in the entries running BBS\Fidonet-systems.

    Excellent news.

    My intention is to run this again in a few months and see where
    we get. There still is dead wood ...

    Great idea, and please post your results. No doubt about the dead
    wood, there is quite a bit of it. I'm assuming that is the job of
    the RCs to trim that, but if they don't do it, can a ZC step in
    and clean it up?

    Not sure what the comment on "realism" means... I think we all
    know that Fidonet is not what it was 25 years ago.

    "realism" .... good point ... I would say, but I'm going to use
    the wrong words, the relative unimportance of what we're doing,
    the relative unimportance of the Elflords (including myself) and
    let's not be too serious about ourselves.

    Ahhh, OK. I get what you meant there, and agree completely.

    On the other hand, I still learn every week by following some of
    the technical platforms hence Fidonet has been a tremendous
    learning experience that could not have been offered by the
    internet.

    Agreed again!

    There was a lot of good in Fidonet ... still is.

    At least it's still around, right?

    Absolutely ... I love some of the stuff that is being handed
    around here ...

    Me too. Thanks for the civilized reply.



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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Dan Clough on Monday, May 13, 2019 23:46:56
    Me too. Thanks for the civilized reply.

    Ehr ... am I not always civilized? 8-)

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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to Gerrit Kuehn on Wednesday, May 15, 2019 15:44:45
    On 14/05/2019 19:56, Gerrit Kuehn -> David Drummond wrote:

    https://media.titanbooks.com/catalog/products/4202/hagar1974.jpg

    I thought Ward's beard was white, and I don't think those from
    Belgium are known for the horned hats.

    Actually, not even Vikings had these, it's more like a modern myth
    (maybe introduced by Wagner's Ring opera stage design).

    Yes - I think I knew that already....

    --

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  • From Gerrit Kuehn@2:240/12 to Lee Lofaso on Wednesday, May 15, 2019 08:24:52
    Hello Lee!

    15 May 19 01:08, Lee Lofaso wrote to Gerrit Kuehn:


    Fake news! Wagner did not include "wings on helmets" as any part
    of his opera.

    Weren't we talking about horns? Well, anyway, of course there are wings, too:

    http://www.wagneroperas.com/1876ringproductiontop1.jpg

    Easy enough to see?

    And he did write four parts, not just one.

    Yeah, it's a cycle. I was talking about the "Ring" as this is the common German
    short name for the whole cycle (full name "Der Ring des Nibelungen"). Looking into the Wikipedia page I referenced, this is the common abbreviation in English, too). Maybe you can stop trying to create a sensation?


    Regards,
    Gerrit

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to David Drummond on Wednesday, May 15, 2019 20:56:16
    Hello David,

    https://media.titanbooks.com/catalog/products/4202/hagar1974.jpg

    I thought Ward's beard was white, and I don't think those from

    Belgium are known for the horned hats.

    Actually, not even Vikings had these, it's more like a modern myth
    (maybe introduced by Wagner's Ring opera stage design).

    Yes - I think I knew that already....

    Carl Emil Doepler designed winged helmets for Richard Wagner's opera.
    In 1882 he added horns in a book on Germanic gods and heroes.

    That is what confuses people. Wagner was the composer who wrote
    the opera series. Doepler was a costume designer who created the
    vision people saw. Hitler was a politician who gave the world
    his own warped interpretation.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Gerrit Kuehn on Wednesday, May 15, 2019 20:56:41
    Hello Gerrit,

    Fake news! Wagner did not include "wings on helmets" as any part
    of his opera.

    Weren't we talking about horns? Well, anyway, of course there are wings, too:

    http://www.wagneroperas.com/1876ringproductiontop1.jpg

    Easy enough to see?

    The 18th century Zombie Cultural Symbol is an old trope of Wagner,
    which he used for religious ceremonial or ritual purposes.

    And he did write four parts, not just one.

    Yeah, it's a cycle. I was talking about the "Ring" as this is the common German short name for the whole cycle (full name "Der Ring des Nibelungen").

    Wagner was a composer, not a costume designer. It was Carl Emil
    Doepler who designed winged helmets for Wagner's opera, and later
    adding horns in an 1882 book on Germanic gods and heroes.

    Looking into the Wikipedia page I referenced, this is the common abbreviation in English, too). Maybe you can stop trying to create a sensation?

    Adolf Hitler created a sensation by using Wagner's work, not me.

    --Lee

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  • From Gerrit Kuehn@2:240/12 to Lee Lofaso on Wednesday, May 15, 2019 21:14:16
    Hello Lee!

    15 May 19 20:56, Lee Lofaso wrote to Gerrit Kuehn:

    http://www.wagneroperas.com/1876ringproductiontop1.jpg

    Easy enough to see?

    The 18th century Zombie Cultural Symbol is an old trope of Wagner,
    which he used for religious ceremonial or ritual purposes.

    I'll take this as a "YES".

    Wagner was a composer, not a costume designer. It was Carl Emil
    Doepler who designed winged helmets for Wagner's opera,

    I never said Wagner designed the costumes himself. Anyway, you'll certainly admit that he worked together closely with the designer and had a huge say on the outcome.
    The winged helmets as well as the horned helmets were part of the premiere plays in 1876, see (including photo) here: https://thornews.com/2018/01/11/the-confusing-horned-helmets-depicted-in-the-o seberg-viking-age-tapestries/

    Maybe you can stop trying to create a
    sensation?

    Adolf Hitler created a sensation by using Wagner's work, not me.

    I'll take this as a "NO", and there'll be no further comment from me on this topic.


    Regards,
    Gerrit

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Gerrit Kuehn on Thursday, May 16, 2019 02:20:40
    Hello Gerrit,

    http://www.wagneroperas.com/1876ringproductiontop1.jpg

    Easy enough to see?

    The 18th century Zombie Cultural Symbol is an old trope of Wagner,
    which he used for religious ceremonial or ritual purposes.

    I'll take this as a "YES".

    Woltan's magic helmet - the Tarnhelm - had no wings or horns.

    Wagner was a composer, not a costume designer. It was Carl Emil
    Doepler who designed winged helmets for Wagner's opera,

    I never said Wagner designed the costumes himself.

    Horns and helmets are not authentic! Wagner never included any
    such nonsense in any of his compositions!

    Anyway, you'll certainly admit that he worked together closely with the designer and had a huge say on the outcome.

    You know nothing about Wagner or his writings.

    Wagner treated opera as drama. His compositions was theatre as
    a form of social, political, and sexual debate - to the society in
    which he lived. Doepler's visual interpretation was his own, not
    necessarly anything that Wagner envisioned.

    The winged helmets as well as the horned helmets were part of the premiere plays in 1876, see (including photo) here: https://thornews.com/2018/01/11/the-confusing-horned-helmets- depicted-in-the-oseberg-viking-age-tapestries/

    Nowhere in Wagner's compositions are winged or horned helmets found.
    Whatever visual interpretations of others are their own.

    Maybe you can stop trying to create a
    sensation?

    Adolf Hitler created a sensation by using Wagner's work, not me.

    I'll take this as a "NO", and there'll be no further comment from me on
    this
    topic.

    Playing the same chord for the first 136 bars of the opera gets
    you nowhere quick. Especially when the entire cycle is 18 hours
    long.

    --Lee

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  • From Gerrit Kuehn@2:240/12 to Lee Lofaso on Thursday, May 16, 2019 09:36:22
    Hello Lee!

    16 May 19 02:20, Lee Lofaso wrote to Gerrit Kuehn:

    Anyway, you'll certainly admit that he worked together closely with
    the designer and had a huge say on the outcome.

    You know nothing about Wagner or his writings.

    But you certainly do?
    I said I've never seen a full opera by him, but in Germany it's hard to pass school without spending several lessons over his works.

    Wagner treated opera as drama. His compositions was theatre as
    a form of social, political, and sexual debate - to the society in
    which he lived. Doepler's visual interpretation was his own, not necessarly anything that Wagner envisioned.

    The Ring's premiere in 1876 took place in Bayreuth, in Wagner's own festival hall (that he had built specifically for showing the premiere of the Ring and other operas by him), the staging/production was done by Wagner himself, and he
    personally hired Carl Emil Doepler for doing costumes and stage design. He always envisioned his "musical dramas" as unification of music, words and looks
    into a single artwork.
    We know that Wagner didn't particulary like the "old-fashioned" look of the stage set to start with, but he certainly had all the keys in his hand to change this if he really wanted, and it's really strange to assume he didn't care at all.


    Regards,
    Gerrit

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  • From Fabio Bizzi@2:335/364.1 to Ward Dossche on Tuesday, May 14, 2019 07:36:28
    Hello Ward!

    13 May 19 23:46, you wrote to Dan Clough:

    Me too. Thanks for the civilized reply.

    Ehr ... am I not always civilized? 8-)

    You're a BARBARIAN! :P :P :P

    This is a real snapshot of Ward:

    https://media.titanbooks.com/catalog/products/4202/hagar1974.jpg

    :P :P :P :P

    Ciao!
    Fabio

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Fabio Bizzi on Tuesday, May 14, 2019 08:12:10
    Fabio,

    Me too. Thanks for the civilized reply.

    Ehr ... am I not always civilized? 8-)

    You're a BARBARIAN! :P :P :P

    C'mon, I've only used butter "once" during the preparation of Linguine with smoked salmonm diced Christmas tomatoes, brocoli and sundried tomatoes...

    \%/@rd

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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to Fabio Bizzi on Tuesday, May 14, 2019 16:27:10
    On 14/05/2019 15:36, Fabio Bizzi -> Ward Dossche wrote:

    This is a real snapshot of Ward:

    https://media.titanbooks.com/catalog/products/4202/hagar1974.jpg

    I thought Ward's beard was white, and I don't think those from Belgium are known for the horned hats. The beer tankard strikes some truth though.

    --

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    David

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to David Drummond on Tuesday, May 14, 2019 09:23:22
    I thought Ward's beard was white, and I don't think those from Belgium
    are known for the horned hats. The beer tankard strikes some truth
    though.

    Please be gentle on Fabio. I think he has true Roman blood in his veins and hasn't come to terms yet with the fact that the Barbarians overran the West-Roman empire in 406 after the latter substituted butter for Olive oil ... extra virgin Roman olive oil.

    \%/@rd

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  • From Bj√∂rn Felten@2:203/2 to Ward Dossche on Tuesday, May 14, 2019 10:14:13
    with smoked salmonm

    Speaking of salmon, you often comment on the disgusting habit the northernmost Swedes have with fermenting their herring. The procedure actually is quite similar to the making of Asian fish sauce, BTW, but that's another story...

    But have you tried one of our real fish delicatessens -- that even sells at enormous prices on The Posh Street of many cities around the world. I'm of course talking about Swedish Gravlax.

    Recipes posted and reposted here in FidoNews.

    http://eljaco.se/FILES/FNEWS/FNEWSY10.ZIP



    ..

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  • From Fabio Bizzi@2:335/364.1 to Ward Dossche on Tuesday, May 14, 2019 10:21:38
    Hello Ward!

    14 May 19 09:23, you wrote to David Drummond:


    Please be gentle on Fabio. I think he has true Roman blood in his
    veins and hasn't come to terms yet with the fact that the Barbarians overran the West-Roman empire in 406 after the latter substituted
    butter for Olive oil ... extra virgin Roman olive oil.

    ROTFL!!! :D :D :D

    Are you still angry because you was conquer by Caesar? :P :P :P

    BTW: The "Roman" Olive Oil was nevere existed. The Capital of the Empire was (still now) served from the Sabine area. ;)

    As I wrote before, you're a Barbarian, gentle and polite but always a barabarian! :P :P :P :P

    Ciao!
    Fabio

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  • From Fabio Bizzi@2:335/364.1 to David Drummond on Tuesday, May 14, 2019 10:32:28
    Hello David!

    14 May 19 16:27, you wrote to me:

    I thought Ward's beard was white, and I don't think those from Belgium
    are known for the horned hats. The beer tankard strikes some truth
    though.

    Details, the matter is that he use BUTTER in place of the Italian Extra Virgin Olive Oil!

    What else can be him? A true Barbarian! :P

    Ciao!
    Fabio

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  • From Gerrit Kuehn@2:240/12 to David Drummond on Tuesday, May 14, 2019 11:56:48
    Hello David!

    14 May 19 16:27, David Drummond wrote to Fabio Bizzi:


    https://media.titanbooks.com/catalog/products/4202/hagar1974.jpg

    I thought Ward's beard was white, and I don't think those from
    Belgium are known for the horned hats.

    Actually, not even Vikings had these, it's more like a modern myth (maybe introduced by Wagner's Ring opera stage design).


    Regards,
    Gerrit

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Bj√∂rn Felten on Tuesday, May 14, 2019 12:47:09
    Speaking of salmon, you often comment on the disgusting habit the northernmost Swedes have with fermenting their herring. The procedure actually is quite similar to the making of Asian fish sauce, BTW, but that's another story...

    I am now outing myself .. I buy the fermented stuff whenever I can. Really good.

    http://eljaco.se/FILES/FNEWS/FNEWSY10.ZIP

    Read it ... started drooling instantly.

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Fabio Bizzi on Tuesday, May 14, 2019 13:02:20
    Fabio,

    Are you still angry because you was conquer by Caesar? :P :P :P

    There are only 2 things Ceasar is famous for. One is a salad named after him, and that we owe even to Las Vegas and a hotel owned by the Maffia.

    The otherone is some play by an English playwright which you, defeated Romans, even cheatingly attribute to a mythological Italian named Michelangelo Crollalanza.

    Shame on you. You should read Ceasar's works, especially "De Bello Callico" ...
    my wars in Gaul (also depicted in the comic strip "Asterix") where he sheds some light upon the truth ... he wrote:

    "Horum omnium fortissimi sunt Belgae."

    Of all these, the Belgians are the bravest/strongest.

    Caesar suffered his greatest military defeat at the hands of the Belgians, the humiliation reaching Rome, and infuriating the man who then set out on one of Rome's biggest campaigns to crush the Republic's most feared rebels once and for all.

    This proves Ceasar, after all, was a bad loser.

    But, he also liked good food. Little known by the masses but he was famous for a cooking blog which he kept during his days

    "Coquendo cum Caesar, L retentare legiones iubebatur sanus mixturis"

    "Cooking with the emperor, 50 recipes to keep the legions healthy"

    In the opening sentences, he writes:

    "Est arcanum quod non est verum archimagirus oleum et oliva usum realis
    butyrum"

    "The secret of a real kitchen chef is not to use olive oil but real butter"

    The final battle against the Belgians was postponed because the legions refused
    to eat, not enough garlic. So they had to throw everything away and start again ... it took about a day. The Belgians already were not too fond of that Roman garlic breath but basically got bored and just went home.

    And you guys call this "victory" ?

    As I wrote before, you're a Barbarian, gentle and polite but always a barabarian! :P :P :P :P

    Take Dries Mertens, another Belgian, away from Napoli and Italian football collapses. The Barbarians are saving you ...

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Gerrit Kuehn on Tuesday, May 14, 2019 13:04:30
    I thought Ward's beard was white, and I don't think those from
    Belgium are known for the horned hats.

    Actually, not even Vikings had these, it's more like a modern myth (maybe introduced by Wagner's Ring opera stage design).

    Excavations from early Viking settlements confirm that too.

    Someone told me the horned hat was a Hollywood invention.

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  • From Bj√∂rn Felten@2:203/2 to Ward Dossche on Tuesday, May 14, 2019 14:19:56
    Someone told me the horned hat was a Hollywood invention.

    Most likely. Who else would be so ignorant about life on a sailing ship? With all those ropes going all around the place, wearing a horned hat can not be recommended.



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  • From Gerrit Kuehn@2:240/12 to Ward Dossche on Tuesday, May 14, 2019 13:23:14
    Hello Ward!

    14 May 19 13:04, Ward Dossche wrote to Gerrit Kuehn:

    Actually, not even Vikings had these, it's more like a modern myth
    (maybe introduced by Wagner's Ring opera stage design).

    Excavations from early Viking settlements confirm that too.

    Well, it's kind of a negative confirmation in that case: no such helment has even been found.

    Someone told me the horned hat was a Hollywood invention.

    Wagner's "Ring" premiered in 1876 and featured nordic warriors wearing such helmets, certainly predating any Hollywood activities. As the operas became quite popular, it is probably safe to assume that it spread from there.


    Regards,
    Gerrit

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  • From Bj√∂rn Felten@2:203/2 to Gerrit Kuehn on Tuesday, May 14, 2019 15:48:37
    Wagner's "Ring" premiered in 1876 and featured nordic warriors wearing such helmets

    Was there any Viking ships portrayed in that opera? Or was it only blond, clean-shaved, blue-eyed, land-based Arian type of warriors?

    I.e. as far from a Viking type that you can get?

    Yes, we up here in the Nordic countries are well aware of the romantic picture of the Arian warrior that was popular in the mid 1800s -- it was even up here, not only in the former Prussia.



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  • From Gerrit Kuehn@2:240/12 to Bj√∑rn Felten on Tuesday, May 14, 2019 17:46:42
    Hello BjŲrn!

    14 May 19 15:48, BjŲrn Felten wrote to Gerrit Kuehn:

    Wagner's "Ring" premiered in 1876 and featured nordic warriors
    wearing such helmets

    Was there any Viking ships portrayed in that opera? Or was it only blond, clean-shaved, blue-eyed, land-based Arian type of warriors?

    We are talking about a 4-opera set with an overall playtime of about 16h: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Der_Ring_des_Nibelungen

    I don't remember any particular ships (this is not the Flying Dutchman ;-), but
    my memory is vague anyway, and I never saw one of the operas. Also, photographs from that time appear hard to be had. However, I found a few sketches that were apparently used to design the costumes:

    https://altevolkstrachten.de/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/ring_des_nibelungen_ko stuem_design_knechte.jpg https://altevolkstrachten.de/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/ring_des_nibelungen_ko stuem_design_ritter.jpg https://altevolkstrachten.de/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/ring_des_nibelungen_ko stuem_design_ritter_germane.jpg

    I.e. as far from a Viking type that you can get?

    Well, the Ring saga is based on various myths, mainly from the nordic Edda (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edda) and the German Nibelungenlied (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nibelungenlied). Don't know how much "Viking" that is for you.

    Yes, we up here in the Nordic countries are well aware of the
    romantic picture of the Arian warrior that was popular in the mid
    1800s -- it was even up here, not only in the former Prussia.

    I think the helmets with horns were invented for stage use.
    A bit similar are helmets with wings (also intensively used with the Ring operas). There are no historic sources that show them on Germans, Vikings or Gallics, but lots of pictures starting in 19th century. German wikipedia has it
    that they were "stolen" for nordic gods by Swedish nationalists like the GŲtiska FŲrbundet to make them appear to be of at least equal value compared to
    the "classic" ones from the Mediterranian (Roman/Greek).

    Here is a link to the German version of the article: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fl%C3%BCgelhelm
    The English one appears to be much less informative.


    Regards,
    Gerrit

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  • From Fabio Bizzi@2:335/364.3 to Ward Dossche on Tuesday, May 14, 2019 21:37:07
    Hello, Ward Dossche.
    On 14/05/19 13:02 you wrote:

    Fabio,
    Are you still angry because you was conquer by Caesar? :P :P :P
    There are only 2 things Ceasar is famous for. One is a salad named
    after him, and that we owe even to Las Vegas and a hotel owned by
    the Maffia.

    Oh dear, please dont't hide the relevant facts.
    De Bello Gallico Liber I:

    Horum omnium fortissimi sunt Belgae, propterea quod a cultu atque humanitate provinciae longissime absunt, minimeque ad eos mercatores saepe commeant atque ea quae ad effeminandos animos pertinent

    So Belgians are a lot away from a civilized Roman citizen. :P

    You're definitely a barbarian! :P :P :P

    The skill with which the veteran Roman legions executed their well practiced pilum barrage and gladius and scutum counter-attacks together with the prudent use of missile weapons was instrumental in defeating the skillful and daring Nervii and associated Belgae.

    The Belgae suffered heavy losses and eventually surrendered when faced with the
    destruction of their towns. The Nervii were severely mauled and forced to flee; thereby all former client tribes surrendered to Caesar or likewise fled. Their absence gave Caesar control of most of what is now Belgium.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallic_Wars

    The story tells another story... ;)

    At last you were conquered, no way! :P

    Civis Romanus Sum! ;)

    (Please leave me this, If I think what we are now I'd start to cry) ;)

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    Fabio.
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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Bj√∂rn Felten on Wednesday, May 15, 2019 01:08:36
    Hello BjĒrn,

    Wagner's "Ring" premiered in 1876 and featured nordic warriors wearing
    such helmets

    Was there any Viking ships portrayed in that opera? Or was it only blond, clean-shaved, blue-eyed, land-based Arian type of warriors?

    Richard Wagner composed his opera series `The Ring of the Nibelung'
    in 1876. This was not his first composition, and his inclusion of
    the 18th century Zombie Cultural Symbol is found throughout most of
    his works. That is not the same thing as Viking helmets with large
    wings or horns.

    I.e. as far from a Viking type that you can get?

    As far as I know, Vikings were not that stupid. Helmets are
    used to deflect the blows of swords and other pointed/edged objects.
    Horns or knobs would stop the blows, thus making it possible for
    the sword or other pointed/edged object to enter the skull.

    Yes, we up here in the Nordic countries are well aware of the romantic picture of the Arian warrior that was popular in the mid 1800s -- it was even up here, not only in the former Prussia.

    Mussolini wanted to present his people Roman deities of old.
    Hitler wanted to present his people a Germanic version of the
    same. That is why he [Hitler] used Wagner's opera, twisting
    Wagner's meaning to his own vision of the reich.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Gerrit Kuehn on Wednesday, May 15, 2019 01:08:48
    Hello Gerrit,

    Actually, not even Vikings had these, it's more like a modern myth
    (maybe introduced by Wagner's Ring opera stage design).

    Excavations from early Viking settlements confirm that too.

    Well, it's kind of a negative confirmation in that case: no such helment
    has
    even been found.

    Someone told me the horned hat was a Hollywood invention.

    Wagner's "Ring" premiered in 1876 and featured nordic warriors wearing
    such
    helmets, certainly predating any Hollywood activities. As the operas
    became
    quite popular, it is probably safe to assume that it spread from there.

    Fake news! Wagner did not include "wings on helmets" as any part
    of his opera. And he did write four parts, not just one.

    https://www.vikings.com/news/the-truth-behind-the-horned-helmet-17914366


    "The costume designer Carol Emil Doepler designed winged helmets
    for Wagner's opera series [1876], adding horns in an 1882 book on
    Germanic gods and heroes."

    From there, folks in Minnesota USA decided to call their
    football team the Minnesota Vikings, sporting horns on helmets
    as their logo.

    Made it to the Super Bowl four times.
    Lost in the Super Bowl four times.

    A nightmare for Minnesotans and Scandinavians alike.

    --Lee

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