Gregory Deyss -> Bj”rn Felten skrev 2019-05-17 00:17:

This just doesnot happen in modern times with folks who fellow
Christianity to any degree.

preaching is still going strong, especially in the former slave states
of the USA.

You do see where I am located? right? Upstate New York...

Yeah, but I didn't see you differentiating between northern and southern branches of US Christianity.



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Can you quote the chapter and verse of the Koran that says that?

Not bloody likely. The Koran is mostly a verbatim copy of the Christian Bible. Unlike the Jewish ditto that only includes the Old Testament and leaves out all of the Jesus tales.

All three (Christianity, Islam and Judaism) are basically one and the same religion, the only three that are monotheistic and are based on the same fictive person called Abraham.



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Can you quote the chapter and verse of the Koran that says that?

Not bloody likely. The Koran is mostly a verbatim copy of the Christian Bible. Unlike the Jewish ditto that only includes the Old Testament and

leaves

out all of the Jesus tales.

All three (Christianity, Islam and Judaism) are basically one and

the same

religion, the only three that are monotheistic and are based on the same fictive person called Abraham.

Decades ago in POLITICS I made the point that by definition all
monotheistic religions are worshiping the same god. You wouldn't believe
the hatred that spewed my way
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Decades ago in POLITICS I made the point that by definition all monotheistic religions are worshiping the same god. You wouldn't believe the hatred that spewed my way

Oh, but I do Bob, I do!

That kind of insight takes many decades to acquire.

"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt."

-- Bertrand Russell



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On 05-18-19 22:12, Dan Clough <=-
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help? What will either of those actions get you? That's right...... dead. For someone (like me) who has a loaded pistol in my nightstand,
the outcome will likely be two dead thugs, and my family and property safe.

I wonder how many times your outcome is what really happens as opposed
to something else. E.g. one of the kids finds the gun and plays with
it.

Dale Shipp
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On 05-19-19 09:04, Dan Clough <=-
spoke to Paul Quinn about Re: Muslim Kids <=-

I see. Thankfully we don't need a license to own/possess a gun
here in the USA. Our Constitution guarantees us the absolute
RIGHT to do so.

In most states that is not true. One needs a license to purchase and in
many places needs to pass a gun safety course. You seem to be from
Florida, which has a more lenient set of rules.

Dale Shipp
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You seem to be from
Florida, which has a more lenient set of rules.

In January 1981 I was on a job in Miami. We were supposed to stay in a hotel
there, but our agent relocated us to Ft. Lauderdale for safety reasons.

There seemed to be too many happy gun owners running rampant all over Miami.
That sure didn't make them safe...

No guns -- no gun shot killings. The only purpose of a handgun is to kill people. It's as easy as that.


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I see. Thankfully we don't need a license to own/possess a gun
here in the USA. Our Constitution guarantees us the absolute
RIGHT to do so.

In most states that is not true. One needs a license to purchase and in many places needs to pass a gun safety course. You seem to be from Florida, which has a more lenient set of rules.

I just love Montana ...

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No guns -- no gun shot killings. The only purpose of a handgun is to
kill people. It's as easy as that.

How 'bout people with a small penis? They could just buy a BMW and kill people that way ... by speeding ...

The thing is the weapons industry in the USA is a multi-billion dollar business
... too much money involved ,,, protected by a constitutional amendment which was created with a totaly different thing in mind...

... to kill more British people.

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How 'bout people with a small penis? They could just buy a BMW and kill people that way ... by speeding ...

Hey! What's wrong with a Volvo? It beats any Beemer any day of the week and twice on Sundays. 8-)

Their success ratio is although far below that of the gun crazy people, including their police, anyway. And much more costly at that.

The thing is the weapons industry in the USA is a multi-billion dollar business ... too much money involved ,,, protected by a constitutional amendment which was created with a totaly different thing in mind...

BOC. The rest of the world knows that, but unfortunately the US people are still feeding the gun producer's wallets, hiding behind this stupid arms race of theirs.

.. to kill more British people.

I think it's more about killing as many people as possible, and just let their God sort them out. They *know* they are good Christians, so they *know* that they are the good guys.



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Hey! What's wrong with a Volvo? It beats any Beemer any day of the
week and twice on Sundays. 8-)

Well, since they are now a Chinese product ... I bought myself a hog of a Mercedes... Good German design.

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Well, since they are now a Chinese product ...

Sorry to disappoint you, but most Volvo cars are still manufactured at the Torslanda factory, some 5km from my home.

The Chinese ownership has had very little impact on the Volvo except for a major sales increase in China from Volvo cars manufactured there.

BTW, I hope you haven't missed that the Chinese cooperation has resulted in all Volvo cars after 2022 will be electric? Hybrid as well as all electric.

Suck on that Mercedes, good German antiquated and heavily overpriced design,
and all your Belgian customer suckers! 8-)



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Well, since they are now a Chinese product ...

Sorry to disappoint you, but most Volvo cars are still manufactured at
the Torslanda factory, some 5km from my home.

Sorry to correct you but there is not an unsignificant Volvo plant in Gent (Belgium),

YTD Volvo has manufactured 217,855 cars worldwide. Of these 57,391 were produced in Belgium. That's 26.34% of the world production. Volvo official figures.

I didn't look up the numbers for the production plant in Shah Alam, Malaysia nor Chengdu and Daqing in China or Berkeley County South Carolina USA. More in China under construction. It means Torslanda is less important than you want to
make us believe.

BTW, I hope you haven't missed that the Chinese cooperation has
resulted in all Volvo cars after 2022 will be electric? Hybrid as well as all electric.

There's hardly a market for that. The big problems in mainland Europe being the
effort to keep electric cars fueled. The electricity grid is already under continuous pressure and simply is unable to cater for 298.9 million cars in the
EU.

Suck on that Mercedes, good German antiquated and heavily overpriced design, and all your Belgian customer suckers! 8-)

Whatever turns you on. Over the years my family has traditionally bought Volvo and as the years went on we noticed the steel plates becoming thinner and thinner. Probably those cars are now full of plastic too.

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Dale Shipp wrote to Dan Clough <=-

help? What will either of those actions get you? That's right...... dead. For someone (like me) who has a loaded pistol in my nightstand,
the outcome will likely be two dead thugs, and my family and property safe.

I wonder how many times your outcome is what really happens as
opposed to something else. E.g. one of the kids finds the gun
and plays with it.

Anyone who allows the chance of a kid finding/playing with the gun
should be prosecuted and jailed. In my case, the kids are grown,
and even yet, the gun is in a locked (biometric quick-open) small
safe. All the other guns in the house are locked in a large safe
in another room. Zero chance of anyone accessing any of them
"accidently".



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Dale Shipp wrote to Dan Clough <=-

I see. Thankfully we don't need a license to own/possess a gun
here in the USA. Our Constitution guarantees us the absolute
RIGHT to do so.

In most states that is not true. One needs a license to purchase
and in many places needs to pass a gun safety course. You seem
to be from Florida, which has a more lenient set of rules.

I don't believe that is true. Perhaps in the few almost-communist
states like Kalifornia, NY, NJ, IL, MD, etc you need a license to
purchase, but not in nearly all other states.

You may be confusing the requirements to get a "concealed carry"
permit, which does require a license, safety course, etc (in most
but not all states).



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Hi Ward,

On 2019-05-20 14:49:17, you wrote to Bj”rn Felten:

The big problems in mainland Europe being the effort to keep electric
cars fueled. The electricity grid is already under continuous pressure
and simply is unable to cater for 298.9 million cars in the EU.

And there is already beginning to be a shortage in some of the raw matererials that are needed to build the batteries...

Bye, Wilfred.

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Hello Ward!

20 May 19 13:03, you wrote to Bj”rn Felten:

Hey! What's wrong with a Volvo? It beats any Beemer any day of the
week and twice on Sundays. 8-)

Well, since they are now a Chinese product ... I bought myself a hog
of a Mercedes... Good German design.

Yes, with a modern Renault engine. :P

Ward Volvo and BMW are the state of the art of Cars! Mercedes is running on the
sunset lane, poor overall quality and mediocre engines are qualifying modern mercedes products.

I own two BMW's a 1983 320i E30 and a 1998 320i E46 and I'd like to own also a great Volvo 240 Polar Station Wagon. Obviusly I don't like modern cars. ;)

Ciao!
Fabio

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Hello Bj”rn!

20 May 19 13:27, you wrote to Ward Dossche:

BTW, I hope you haven't missed that the Chinese cooperation has resulted in all Volvo cars after 2022 will be electric? Hybrid as well
as all electric.

Yes, Volvo and BMW are the only european car manufaturers that are really investing on electric motion.

Suck on that Mercedes, good German antiquated and heavily
overpriced design, and all your Belgian customer suckers! 8-)

Ward is a Barbarian, he use butter instead of Italian Extra Virgin Olive Oil, you can figure out his taste about cars. :P :P :P

Ciao!
Fabio

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Well, since they are now a Chinese product ...

Sorry to correct you but there is not an unsignificant Volvo plant in
Gent (Belgium),

Last time I looked, that was not located in China and therefore their products can not be labelled as Chinese products as per the above?

But yes, the Gent factory has always -- throughout various owners -- always been a pride of the Volvo family ever since it's foundation in 1965.

My BIL worked there for a couple of years assisting in updating the factory in the 1980s so I have some inside information about the Gent plant.

And yes, I'm well aware of the fact that Volvo has manufacturing plants all around the world -- as has all major car manufacturers.

What I objected to was that Volvo should be a Chinese product.



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Ward is a Barbarian, he use butter instead of Italian Extra Virgin Olive Oil, you can figure out his taste about cars. :P :P :P

Well, when cooking I never waste such an extraordinary product as Extra Virgin Olive Oil. I only use butter and/or Rape Seed oil for cooking.

The only time I use my valuable Extra Virgin Oil is when dripping it onto a salad, pasta, pizza, making mayonnaise or something similar. Heating it in a frying pan reduces it to Ordinary Olive Oil.



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Ward is a Barbarian, he use butter instead of Italian Extra Virgin Olive Oil, you can figure out his taste about cars. :P :P :P

In my previous comment I mentioned a few of my uses of this wonderful product that nature has given us.

I deliberately left out the most important use of mine.

And here I suggest that all the prudish US readers skip to the next message,
because this is about sex, something that you obviously does not want to read or hear about -- unless it involves a lot of violence.

My wife and I first came in contact with the use of EVOO in our bedroom some
30 years ago. After that first encounter, she always kept a small bottle of EVOO handy in our bedroom.

Many seriously erotic encounters later I still remember every one of them. I
remember the massage I gave her with the EVOO, I remember the poignant taste of her salty sweat in combination with the fantastic olive oil. All over her body.

And I still miss her like hell, more than three years after her untimely demise... :(

If you really want to give your loved one the erotic experience of his or her life, I suggest that you take a small bottle of Extra Virgin Olive Oil (it surely doesn't have to be Italian) into your bedroom and surprise her.


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Ward is a Barbarian, he use butter instead of Italian Extra Virgin Olive Oil, you can figure out his taste about cars. :P :P :P

I use olive oil to fight ants.

When summer arrives and an ant-colony digs itself out of the ground, I always pour olive oil in it. A lot. Cheap Spanish olive oil, but still olive oil.

It doesn't kill the ants but it messes with the larvae gluing their breathing holes shut and they die.

It's a perfectly biological way to wipe-out an ant nest and leaves only a greasy stain which eventually dries out.

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I see. Thankfully we don't need a license to own/possess a gun
here in the USA. Our Constitution guarantees us the absolute
RIGHT to do so.

In most states that is not true. One needs a license to purchase

and in

many places needs to pass a gun safety course. You seem to be from Florida, which has a more lenient set of rules.

I just love Montana ...

It's too COLD up there. Shucks, it's too cold HERE, and Montana is a
couple of hundred miles farther north
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How 'bout people with a small penis? They could just buy a BMW and

kill

people that way ... by speeding ...

Hey! What's wrong with a Volvo? It beats any Beemer any day of the

week and

twice on Sundays. 8-)

I've noticed a large number of Volvo semi tractors on the highways around
here. Used to be they were all Freightliners, Peterbilts and
Internationals
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Bob,

I just love Montana ...

It's too COLD up there. Shucks, it's too cold HERE, and Montana is a couple of hundred miles farther north

Montana in winter gorgeous ... also no Californians.

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On 20/05/2019 01:21, Dale Shipp -> Dan Clough wrote:

help? What will either of those actions get you? That's right......
dead. For someone (like me) who has a loaded pistol in my nightstand,
the outcome will likely be two dead thugs, and my family and property
safe.

I wonder how many times your outcome is what really happens as opposed
to something else. E.g. one of the kids finds the gun and plays with
it.

For a country with such firearm saturation it is surprising that so many citizens die from overexposure to firearms. All of these defensive weapons on the night-stand don't seem to help much.


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On 20/05/2019 01:34, Dale Shipp -> Dan Clough wrote:

I see. Thankfully we don't need a license to own/possess a gun
here in the USA. Our Constitution guarantees us the absolute
RIGHT to do so.

In most states that is not true. One needs a license to purchase and in many places needs to pass a gun safety course. You seem to be from Florida, which has a more lenient set of rules.

How do their firearm related fatalities per capita compare with other states?

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On 20/05/2019 20:39, 2:203/2 wrote:

How 'bout people with a small penis? They could just buy a BMW and kill
people that way ... by speeding ...

Hey! What's wrong with a Volvo? It beats any Beemer any day of the week and twice on Sundays. 8-)

But... a Volvo will not let you run over pedestrians. The car kicks up quite a fuss if you get too close.

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On 20/05/2019 22:55, Dan Clough -> Dale Shipp wrote:

I wonder how many times your outcome is what really happens as
opposed to something else. E.g. one of the kids finds the gun
and plays with it.

Anyone who allows the chance of a kid finding/playing with the gun
should be prosecuted and jailed. In my case, the kids are grown,
and even yet, the gun is in a locked (biometric quick-open) small
safe. All the other guns in the house are locked in a large safe
in another room. Zero chance of anyone accessing any of them "accidently".

How quickly can you access the firearms when the armed thugs break in?

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On 21/05/2019 06:53, BOB ACKLEY -> BJfRN FELTEN wrote:

Hey! What's wrong with a Volvo? It beats any Beemer any day of the week and
twice on Sundays. 8-)

I've noticed a large number of Volvo semi tractors on the highways around here. Used to be they were all Freightliners, Peterbilts and Internationals

Mack trucks sold in Australia now come with Volvo engines.

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help? What will either of those actions get you? That's right...... dead. For someone (like me) who has a loaded pistol in my nightstand, the outcome will likely be two dead thugs, and my family and property safe.

I agree with Dan here, you want intruders coming through a window or through the frontdoor. or not at all, it is imperative to protect home and family at any cost necessary.

I wonder how many times your outcome is what really happens as opposed
to something else. E.g. one of the kids finds the gun and plays with
it.

Sure it is sad when a child plays with a gun and is killed by it, But that is no reason to eliminate them nor is it segway for the anti-gun people to start pointing fingers offering a lot air which does not do anything constructive.

The real question has to be about accountability, is the gun not where
children can reach it but accessible enough in case it is need for home defense.

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I see. Thankfully we don't need a license to own/possess a gun
here in the USA. Our Constitution guarantees us the absolute
RIGHT to do so.

In most states that is not true. One needs a license to purchase and in many places needs to pass a gun safety course. You seem to be from Florida, which has a more lenient set of rules.

To hell with lefty democrats telling us what we should and shouldn't do. Andrew Cuomo one of many stupid remarks....
"you don't need 10 shots to shoot a deer."

He thinks of himself to much and must of been rather proud of himself
when he made this self-proculamation on guns in New York.
What is allowed and not allowed. He can jump off the highest bridge as far as
I am concerned. Maybe the new one called Mario M. Cuomo bridge that he named from his daddy at the tax payers expense.

As far I am concerned these Gun Rights are Federal Rights, that can not be taken away by any state.

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On 20 May 2019, Bj”rn Felten said the following...

You seem to be from
Florida, which has a more lenient set of rules.

In January 1981 I was on a job in Miami. We were supposed to stay in
a hotel there, but our agent relocated us to Ft. Lauderdale for safety reasons.

There seemed to be too many happy gun owners running rampant all over Miami. That sure didn't make them safe...

No guns -- no gun shot killings. The only purpose of a handgun is to kill people. It's as easy as that.

Get real...
Criminals do not obey laws, that is why, they are called criminals...
They also do not follow gun restrictions.

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Hello Fabio,

Hey! What's wrong with a Volvo? It beats any Beemer any day of the
week and twice on Sundays. 8-)

Well, since they are now a Chinese product ... I bought myself a hog
of a Mercedes... Good German design.

Yes, with a modern Renault engine. :P

Nothing like a Jaguar, which prowls the streets of London ...

Ward Volvo and BMW are the state of the art of Cars! Mercedes is running

on

the sunset lane, poor overall quality and mediocre engines are qualifying modern mercedes products.

Italian motorcycles are much better than anything Mercedes has.

I own two BMW's a 1983 320i E30 and a 1998 320i E46 and I'd like to own

also

a great Volvo 240 Polar Station Wagon. Obviusly I don't like modern cars. ;)

Wha'? And leave out the greatest of them all? Surely, you jest!

Fiat! The one and only car that could ever rival the Yugo!
And what a great car was the Yugo! Based on the 1969 Fiat!
In fact, it *was* a 1969 Fiat! Same parts, anyway ...

--Lee

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David Drummond wrote to Dan Clough <=-

I wonder how many times your outcome is what really happens as
opposed to something else. E.g. one of the kids finds the gun
and plays with it.

Anyone who allows the chance of a kid finding/playing with the gun
should be prosecuted and jailed. In my case, the kids are grown,
and even yet, the gun is in a locked (biometric quick-open) small
safe. All the other guns in the house are locked in a large safe
in another room. Zero chance of anyone accessing any of them "accidently".

How quickly can you access the firearms when the armed thugs
break in?

Are you thinking of trying? ;-)

The one in my bedroom (locked in a biometric-lock small safe) - in
2-3 seconds. Probably less if I'm not fully asleep.

The others, in the other room, are not relevant in this scenario.


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On 05-21-19 08:50, Ward Dossche <=-
spoke to Dan Clough about Re: Guns <=-

The one in my bedroom (locked in a biometric-lock small safe) - in
2-3 seconds. Probably less if I'm not fully asleep.

'Biometric" as in how? Fingerprint? Eye-scan? Bettery
powered or on the grid? If I enter your house illegally and
shut-off the power first, is the safe still safe? Can it
still be opened?

Good question, I look forward to seeing the answer.

Another question is how does he distinguish between the noise that a
burglar makes versus the noise that one of his adult children dropping
in unannounced because of a bad break up with their
girlfriend/wife/husband?

Dale Shipp
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Another question is how does he distinguish between the noise that a burglar makes versus the noise that one of his adult children dropping
in unannounced because of a bad break up with their girlfriend/wife/husband?

Ask Pistorius.

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Dale Shipp wrote to Ward Dossche <=-

The one in my bedroom (locked in a biometric-lock small safe) - in
2-3 seconds. Probably less if I'm not fully asleep.

'Biometric" as in how? Fingerprint? Eye-scan? Bettery
powered or on the grid? If I enter your house illegally and
shut-off the power first, is the safe still safe? Can it
still be opened?

Good question, I look forward to seeing the answer.

It was answered a couple of days ago.

Another question is how does he distinguish between the noise
that a burglar makes versus the noise that one of his adult
children dropping in unannounced because of a bad break up with
their girlfriend/wife/husband?

Well, considering that they are not living anywhere near me, and
don't have a key to the house anyway, that possibility is zero.

Do you always speak in the third party? Why hide behind Ward if
you have a question for me?



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Fabio Bizzi wrote to Ward Dossche <=-

Hey! What's wrong with a Volvo? It beats any Beemer any day of the
week and twice on Sundays. 8-)

Well, since they are now a Chinese product ... I bought myself a hog
of a Mercedes... Good German design.

Yes, with a modern Renault engine. :P

I had a 2001 V70 wagon, the plain old model - and loved it. I still
want to get a 2004 XC70 if I can find a well-maintained one - that was
the last purely Volvo (designed and built by Volvo) if memory serves.
I think the next year was the year they came out with that Ford Taurus
world platform.





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On 22 May 2019, David Drummond said the following...

Right and wrong are a matter of personal opinion.

It's more about choices and morality, rather than right or wrong.
People do things knowing in advance that they are wrong, but they do them anyway.

The Truth is that there are people from both sides of
the isle that are at odds with the abortion issue. So your attempt to this a righty conservative issue, is yet another example of your fail

Anti-abortion is a conservative outlook, regardless of which political persuasion one is aligned to

It's more about pro-life vs pro-choice. and less about being
Conservative vs being Liberal. To have what your saying make any sense it
would have to mean that liberals do not love their children and that is
simply NOT true.

A foetus cannot be murdered - unless they make abortion illegal. If it
is legal it is not murder.

It's much more complicated then that?
What is a fetus?
When does life begin?
Is it a fetus still when born at the end of a full term pregnancy.
At what point does it become immoral?

Why is it acceptable to kill someone entering a home uninvited, but not for a woman who has an unwanted conception?

Choices leads to intent which leads the criminal act which leads to
judgment and then punishment.

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On 2019 May 21 08:50:44, you wrote to Dan Clough:

Personally I don't get excited about gun-ownership but if I'd live in Montana, I'd have one.

i was wishing i had my rifle the other day... i removed it from the premises when a convicted felon (son) was staying here for a few months... glad that's over... but i was wishing for my rifle the other day when a pack of coyotes came through and decimated my chickens... they got 10 of them (out of 12) and removed one of my meager sources of food (eggs)... i'm still angry and sad about that...

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On 2019 May 22 09:12:38, you wrote to Dan Clough:

The one in my bedroom (locked in a biometric-lock small safe) - in
2-3 seconds. Probably less if I'm not fully asleep.

The thug has 2-3 seconds to block you from your gunsafe then....

that means they have to figure out the layout of the building, where the bedrooms are, and get there in that same 2-3 seconds... i think dan has the advantage there if he is awakened by the sound of their entry... yeah, that's a
big "if" but depending on the setup, easily handled... especially if it is a two or three story building... we won't even mention motion sensors and being able to tell where they are before they get too far in...

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Hello, Kurt Weiske.
On 22/05/19 06:13 you wrote:

I had a 2001 V70 wagon, the plain old model - and loved it. I
still want to get a 2004 XC70 if I can find a well-maintained one
- that was the last purely Volvo (designed and built by Volvo) if
memory serves. I think the next year was the year they came out
with that Ford Taurus world platform.

The V70 wagon was a great car!!! I loved and still love it! :)
XC is a SUV and it's also too modern for me, I don't like SUV and modern cars. ;)


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On 21 May 2019, Gregory Deyss said the following...

On 22 May 2019, David Drummond said the following...

On 21/05/2019 09:30, Gregory Deyss -> Dale Shipp wrote:

Let me not be coy as you were, in the circumstance of a rape or in
danger of the mothers life, then of course, it is the carrying a child
to full term delivering the child normally then making the child comfortable before it's murdered, that is not only wrong but it is also inconceivability evil.

I don't think anyone on either side of the conversation has EVER suggested carrying a child to full term, deliver normally and then murder it. I'm not aware of any proposed legislation for such a thing.

Mr. Trump has described some current abortion legislation as above, but
I would hope people are smart enough to realize, his statement is just not true.

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Bob,

I just love Montana ...

It's too COLD up there. Shucks, it's too cold HERE, and Montana is a couple of hundred miles farther north

Montana in winter gorgeous ... also no Californians.

More than you think, I suspect. Southern Idaho is thoroughly
Californicated, as is the Seattle area and western Nevada between Reno
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I see. Thankfully we don't need a license to own/possess a gun here in the USA. Our Constitution guarantees us the absolute RIGHT to do so.

In most states that is not true. One needs a license to purchase

and in

many places needs to pass a gun safety course. You seem to be from Florida, which has a more lenient set of rules.

To hell with lefty democrats telling us what we should and shouldn't do. Andrew Cuomo one of many stupid remarks....
"you don't need 10 shots to shoot a deer."

I live in rural Iowa. For several years a poacher used to pull his
pickup into a minimum-maintenance road and "hunt" deer. I watched the
b*s*tard fire at LEAST ten shots at one terrified deer before he finally
killed it. Unfortunately the sheriff and the fish-and-game people are
never around when you need them (using a rifle in the shotgun season). I haven't seen the guy for the past few years, so maybe they caught him.

He thinks of himself to much and must of been rather proud of himself
when he made this self-proculamation on guns in New York.
What is allowed and not allowed. He can jump off the highest bridge as

far as

I am concerned. Maybe the new one called Mario M. Cuomo bridge that he

named

from his daddy at the tax payers expense.

As far I am concerned these Gun Rights are Federal Rights, that can not be taken away by any state.

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David Drummond wrote to Gregory Deyss <=-

many places needs to pass a gun safety course. You seem to be from
Florida, which has a more lenient set of rules.

To hell with lefty democrats telling us what we should and

shouldn't do.

Is that any less acceptable than "righty" conservatives telling
women what they can do with THEIR bodies?

Yes, it is. Here's why:

Gun rights are GUARANTEED by the US Constitution.

The act of killing babies is NOT protected by the Constitution.

There. Pretty simple, isn't it?

"Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion..."
ALL of the anti-abortion arguments are based on their religion
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I had a 2001 V70 wagon, the plain old model - and loved it.

I have 2010 V70 and I still love it. I first fell in love with it when my wife and I borrowed it from the original owner, my BIL, for the round trip to and from our daughter who lives 1250km from here. Watching the fuel consumption
on 120km/h highway speed going down to around 5 litres/100 km was something amazing. The Mercedes we left behind barely made it below 10 litres.

We instantly decided that we wanted to buy that car from the BIL, who worked
at Volvo and had special employee deals, when he decided to upgrade to a newer
model. And we got it in 2015 and I still hang on to it.

I still
want to get a 2004 XC70 if I can find a well-maintained one - that was
the last purely Volvo (designed and built by Volvo) if memory serves.
I think the next year was the year they came out with that Ford Taurus world platform.

Of that I've never heard. Volvo never used any Ford technology. On the contrary, Ford copied the Volvo platform and tried to make Ford cars that would
match the well known Volvo reputation. And failed miserably.

Volvo cars has always been developed in G”teborg, Sweden ever since 1927, and Volvo will proudly continue to do so. The Ford years 1999-2009 were not good for Volvo, but they continued to build high quality cars despite Ford's wishes. The 2002 XC90 for instance was a formidable sale success.

Fortunately those years were even worse for Ford, that didn't know how to properly use what they bought (Volvo, Aston Martin, Land Rover and Jaguar). So in 2009 they finally gave up.


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BOB ACKLEY wrote to DAN CLOUGH <=-

To hell with lefty democrats telling us what we should and
shouldn't do.

Is that any less acceptable than "righty" conservatives telling
women what they can do with THEIR bodies?

Yes, it is. Here's why:
Gun rights are GUARANTEED by the US Constitution.
The act of killing babies is NOT protected by the Constitution.
There. Pretty simple, isn't it?

"Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of
religion..." ALL of the anti-abortion arguments are based on
their religion

Bullshit. I'm anti-abortion and could not care less about
religion. Speaking for myself, I'm against it because I don't
think an innocent baby should be killed because the mother is irresponsible/stupid, or for any other reason for that matter.

Adoption is always a better option.


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On 22/05/2019 23:21, Dan Clough -> Dale Shipp wrote:

Another question is how does he distinguish between the noise
that a burglar makes versus the noise that one of his adult
children dropping in unannounced because of a bad break up with
their girlfriend/wife/husband?

Well, considering that they are not living anywhere near me, and
don't have a key to the house anyway, that possibility is zero.

Do you always speak in the third party? Why hide behind Ward if
you have a question for me?

So your scenario of the thug accessing your house and the bedroom of your teen aged daughter was a furphy, no more realistic than my suggested use of magic to
expel him?

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On 23/05/2019 00:15, Gregory Deyss -> David Drummond wrote:

Right and wrong are a matter of personal opinion.

It's more about choices and morality, rather than right or wrong.
People do things knowing in advance that they are wrong, but they do them anyway.

Then they are not all that convinced about the "wrongness" of the act.

The Truth is that there are people from both sides of
the isle that are at odds with the abortion issue. So your attempt to
this a righty conservative issue, is yet another example of your fail

Anti-abortion is a conservative outlook, regardless of which political
persuasion one is aligned to

It's more about pro-life vs pro-choice. and less about being
Conservative vs being Liberal. To have what your saying make any sense it would have to mean that liberals do not love their children and that is simply NOT true.

A foetus is NOT a child. A woman wanting to expel a foetus obviously does not have a lot of love for it.

A foetus cannot be murdered - unless they make abortion illegal. If it
is legal it is not murder.

It's much more complicated then that?
What is a fetus?

noun: foetus
an unborn or unhatched offspring of a mammal, in particular an unborn human more than eight weeks after conception.

When does life begin?

That is the $64,000 question. If it is immoral to "kill" a foetus why is it acceptable to kill an 18yo soldier or civilian children?

Is it a fetus still when born at the end of a full term pregnancy.

The moment of birth it becomes a baby. A foetus is "unborn"

At what point does it become immoral?

As with right and wrong, morality is a matter of personal choice (like abortion
should be)

Why is it acceptable to kill someone entering a home uninvited, but not
for a woman who has an unwanted conception?

Choices leads to intent which leads the criminal act which leads to judgment and then punishment.

Then don't legislate against abortion and it will not be a criminal act.

I doubt that many women who seek an abortion "chose" to become pregnant.

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On 23/05/2019 00:42, mark lewis -> David Drummond wrote:

The one in my bedroom (locked in a biometric-lock small safe) - in
2-3 seconds. Probably less if I'm not fully asleep.

The thug has 2-3 seconds to block you from your gunsafe then....

that means they have to figure out the layout of the building, where the bedrooms are, and get there in that same 2-3 seconds... i think dan has the advantage there if he is awakened by the sound of their entry...
yeah, that's a big "if" but depending on the setup, easily handled... especially if it is a two or three story building... we won't even
mention motion sensors and being able to tell where they are before they get too far in...

If one was breaking into a residence bearing arms, and suspecting that the occupants may also be arms, surely one would lead with one's weapon?

I guess if there is an alarm system then the resident may well be wide awake and alert...

I don't really know - the whole concept is just so alien to me....

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On 23/05/2019 00:49, mark lewis -> Ward Dossche wrote:

Personally I don't get excited about gun-ownership but if I'd live in
Montana, I'd have one.

i was wishing i had my rifle the other day... i removed it from the premises when a convicted felon (son) was staying here for a few
months... glad that's over... but i was wishing for my rifle the other
day when a pack of coyotes came through and decimated my chickens...
they got 10 of them (out of 12) and removed one of my meager sources of food (eggs)... i'm still angry and sad about that...

There I see a use for a firearm (doesn't need to be a military weapon though).

I too have chooks, but no coyotes here (or any other wild dogs/dingoes that I can tell). There are foxes but so far nothing has bothered our fowls.

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On 23/05/2019 04:45, Ernest J Gainey III -> Gregory Deyss wrote:

to full term delivering the child normally then making the child
comfortable before it's murdered, that is not only wrong but it is also
inconceivability evil.

EJGI> I don't think anyone on either side of the conversation has EVER suggested
EJGI> carrying a child to full term, deliver normally and then murder it. I'm not
EJGI> aware of any proposed legislation for such a thing.

The news media out of the USA reaching here does seem fixated on "late term abortion", not something I'm aware of in Australia (doesn't mean it isn't happening though).

I suppose that with abortion being legal here the women get it over and done with early instead of having to fight tooth and nail until late in the pregnancy to have the procedure.

Of course the emphasis on late term abortion may just be the mandate of an anti
abortion editorial policy...

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On 23/05/2019 06:56, BOB ACKLEY -> DAN CLOUGH wrote:

Is that any less acceptable than "righty" conservatives telling
women what they can do with THEIR bodies?

Yes, it is. Here's why:

Gun rights are GUARANTEED by the US Constitution.

The act of killing babies is NOT protected by the Constitution.

There. Pretty simple, isn't it?

"Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion..."

ALL of the anti-abortion arguments are based on their religion

Can anyone quote for me the part of the US constitution that legalises deadly force in the protection of one's homes/teen aged daughter?

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they got 10 of them (out of 12) and removed one of my meager sources of
food (eggs)... i'm still angry and sad about that...

There I see a use for a firearm (doesn't need to be a military weapon though).

Then of course, a properly maintained fence could work equally well, without
the need for any guns, no?

At least it seems to work for my neighbours, with a lot of foxes, wolves and
stray dogs running around here.


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On 2019 May 23 08:20:20, you wrote to me:

The one in my bedroom (locked in a biometric-lock small safe) - in
2-3 seconds. Probably less if I'm not fully asleep.

The thug has 2-3 seconds to block you from your gunsafe then....

that means they have to figure out the layout of the building, where
the bedrooms are, and get there in that same 2-3 seconds... i think
dan has the advantage there if he is awakened by the sound of their
entry... yeah, that's a big "if" but depending on the setup, easily
handled... especially if it is a two or three story building... we
won't even mention motion sensors and being able to tell where they
are before they get too far in...

If one was breaking into a residence bearing arms,

they may not know... especially if they are simple thugs out to steal whatever they can or to try to take anything of value from someone in the middle of the night...

and suspecting that the occupants may also be arms,

one never knows but that's based on both party's OPSEC and what they allow to be known... some of us don't tell everything ;)

surely one would lead with one's weapon?

if one has such... some thugs don't; prefer muscle and intimidation... especially if they could be charged with a weapon violation that they are not willing to take...

I guess if there is an alarm system then the resident may well be wide awake and alert...

that depends on the intrusion system but yes... there are some that are quite quiet and subtle...

I don't really know - the whole concept is just so alien to me....

it is to many, too...

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On 2019 May 23 01:20:56, you wrote to David Drummond:

they got 10 of them (out of 12) and removed one of my meager sources
of food (eggs)... i'm still angry and sad about that...

There I see a use for a firearm (doesn't need to be a military weapon
though).

Then of course, a properly maintained fence could work equally well, without the need for any guns, no?

no... it is not possible to fence over creeks and streams, for one thing...

At least it seems to work for my neighbours, with a lot of foxes,
wolves and stray dogs running around here.

that's them over there... they're not here, left behind, with no funds...

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On 22 May 2019, Ernest J Gainey III said the following...

On 21 May 2019, Gregory Deyss said the following...

On 22 May 2019, David Drummond said the following...

On 21/05/2019 09:30, Gregory Deyss -> Dale Shipp wrote:

Let me not be coy as you were, in the circumstance of a rape or in danger of the mothers life, then of course, it is the carrying a chil to full term delivering the child normally then making the child comfortable before it's murdered, that is not only wrong but it is al inconceivability evil.

I don't think anyone on either side of the conversation has EVER
suggested carrying a child to full term, deliver normally and then
murder it. I'm not aware of any proposed legislation for such a thing.

Sad but very true... Unfortunately

Mr. Trump has described some current abortion legislation as above, but
I would hope people are smart enough to realize, his statement is just
not true.

Why what was it? that was "alleged" that he said.

You will learn at a very quick pace that people in here do not care if the President said it, in their minds he said it.
- with certain absolute conviction...

Thankfully I stand apart from the collective.

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On 23/05/2019 07:32, Dan Clough -> BOB ACKLEY wrote:

"Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of
religion..." ALL of the anti-abortion arguments are based on
their religion

Bullshit. I'm anti-abortion and could not care less about
religion. Speaking for myself, I'm against it because I don't
think an innocent baby should be killed because the mother is irresponsible/stupid, or for any other reason for that matter.

So... it's always the female's fault? The bloke has never coerced her into opening her legs?

Adoption is always a better option.

Yeah - sure.

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On 23/05/2019 09:20, 2:203/2 wrote:

they got 10 of them (out of 12) and removed one of my meager sources of
food (eggs)... i'm still angry and sad about that...

There I see a use for a firearm (doesn't need to be a military weapon
though).

Then of course, a properly maintained fence could work equally well, without the need for any guns, no?

Foxes at least can burrow under the fences. My brother had a female dog here for a while. We found a number of places where the local male dogs had got under the fence.

The bitch is now gone (cancer) and the fence is undergoing a rebuild with barbed wire top and bottom of the netting before he gets another.

At least it seems to work for my neighbours, with a lot of foxes, wolves and stray dogs running around here.

The dogs entering this property were more interested in the company of the brother's bitch than bothering our chooks. The chook pen has netting buried some distance down and out from the wall but the chooks roam free during the daytime within the greater fenced property (2.16ha).


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On 05-22-19 11:06, Ward Dossche <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Guns <=-

Another question is how does he distinguish between the noise that a burglar makes versus the noise that one of his adult children dropping
in unannounced because of a bad break up with their girlfriend/wife/husband?

Ask Pistorius.

I had to look it up, but that is one famous case that I now recall.

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On 05-22-19 08:21, Dan Clough <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Guns <=-

'Biometric" as in how? Fingerprint? Eye-scan? Bettery
powered or on the grid? If I enter your house illegally and
shut-off the power first, is the safe still safe? Can it
still be opened?

Good question, I look forward to seeing the answer.

It was answered a couple of days ago.

I had not seen an answer when I wrote that.

Another question is how does he distinguish between the noise
that a burglar makes versus the noise that one of his adult
children dropping in unannounced because of a bad break up with
their girlfriend/wife/husband?

Well, considering that they are not living anywhere near me, and
don't have a key to the house anyway, that possibility is zero.

I.e. they would just have to sit outside your house making a lot of
noise until you came to investigate?

Do you always speak in the third party? Why hide behind Ward if
you have a question for me?

I do not hide behind anyone. Obviously you saw the question which was a natural follow up to a comment/question Ward made.

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On 05-23-19 08:46, David Drummond <=-
spoke to Bob Ackley about Guns <=-

Can anyone quote for me the part of the US constitution
that legalises deadly force in the protection of one's
homes/teen aged daughter?

No, but the various states have laws which vary on that topic. There
was a fairly famous case in Florida a few years back when a young man
was walking back from a store and was shot and killed for WWB (walking
while black). The man who shot him was a "neighbor hood watch guard"
(i.e. self appointed patrol). He got free because the law in Florida
included what was called "stand your ground" implying that even on a
public street you had the option to use deadly force if you felt
threatened. That was not even a case of shooting a suspected home
invader.

Other states do not have such a law. Hard to define what is legally
justified across the nation.

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David Drummond wrote to Dan Clough <=-

"Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of
religion..." ALL of the anti-abortion arguments are based on
their religion

Bullshit. I'm anti-abortion and could not care less about
religion. Speaking for myself, I'm against it because I don't
think an innocent baby should be killed because the mother is irresponsible/stupid, or for any other reason for that matter.

So... it's always the female's fault? The bloke has never coerced
her into opening her legs?

I see you have poor reading comprehension skills, among your other shortcomings. See above where it says "or for any other reason
for that matter".

Adoption is always a better option.

Yeah - sure.

Yep. I'm done responding to you. FOAD.


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Dale Shipp wrote to Dan Clough <=-

Another question is how does he distinguish between the noise
that a burglar makes versus the noise that one of his adult
children dropping in unannounced because of a bad break up with
their girlfriend/wife/husband?

Well, considering that they are not living anywhere near me, and
don't have a key to the house anyway, that possibility is zero.

I.e. they would just have to sit outside your house making a lot
of noise until you came to investigate?

Apparently you're as stupid as Drummond. Stop wasting my time.


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On 23/05/2019 23:01, Dan Clough -> David Drummond wrote:

Yep. I'm done responding to you. FOAD.

With all of the firearms in your area the likelihood is that you will proceed me.

Some while back another USAmerican Fidonetter (whose name we do not mention) made all sorts of boasts regarding his prowess with firearms...

He is no longer with us.

Thank you for your participation.

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On 23/05/2019 23:02, Dan Clough -> Dale Shipp wrote:

Well, considering that they are not living anywhere near me, and
don't have a key to the house anyway, that possibility is zero.

I.e. they would just have to sit outside your house making a lot
of noise until you came to investigate?

Apparently you're as stupid as Drummond. Stop wasting my time.

ROFL - Anyone who does not see eye to eye with Dan Clough is obviously stupid.

Are you related to the Orange Man?

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Hello David,

Yep. I'm done responding to you. FOAD.

With all of the firearms in your area the likelihood is that you will proceed me.

Is that like processing cheese?

Some while back another USAmerican Fidonetter (whose name we do not

mention)

made all sorts of boasts regarding his prowess with firearms...

I remember him.

He is no longer with us.

He'll be back.

Thank you for your participation.

He is still on the nodelist ...

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Hello David,

Well, considering that they are not living anywhere near me, and
don't have a key to the house anyway, that possibility is zero.

I.e. they would just have to sit outside your house making a lot
of noise until you came to investigate?

Apparently you're as stupid as Drummond. Stop wasting my time.

ROFL - Anyone who does not see eye to eye with Dan Clough is obviously stupid.

Are you related to the Orange Man?

Name a word that rhymes with orange.
Can't do it?
Nobody else can, either.
That means there can be only one.
The world is so lucky. :)

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On 25/05/2019 10:06, Lee Lofaso -> David Drummond wrote:

Some while back another USAmerican Fidonetter (whose name we do not mention)
made all sorts of boasts regarding his prowess with firearms...

I remember him.

He is no longer with us.

He'll be back.

Thank you for your participation.

He is still on the nodelist ...

But just a lurker nowadays....

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Hi! Lee,

On 25 May 19 02:06, you wrote to David Drummond:

Are you related to the Orange Man?

Name a word that rhymes with orange.
Can't do it?
Nobody else can, either.
That means there can be only one.
The world is so lucky. :)

A close fit: menage - members of the household, of the orange beast of the WH.

Cheers,
Paul.

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Hello David,

Some while back another USAmerican Fidonetter (whose name we do not

mention)

made all sorts of boasts regarding his prowess with firearms...

I remember him.

He is no longer with us.

He'll be back.

Thank you for your participation.

He is still on the nodelist ...

But just a lurker nowadays....

And waiting for just the right moment to jump back in ...

--Lee

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Björn Felten wrote to Kurt Weiske <=-

I think the next year was the year they came out with that Ford Taurus world platform.

Of that I've never heard. Volvo never used any Ford technology. On
the contrary, Ford copied the Volvo platform and tried to make Ford
cars that would match the well known Volvo reputation. And failed miserably.

Actually, it was 2007, the 3rd generation. The Ford Galaxy, S-Max,
Mondeo and Land Rover Freelander all used the same platform and shared
aroud half of the parts with each other.

Volvos have gotten too expensive, I should have gotten an XC70 in 2004
and taken a trip to the factory to pick it up. I have family in Lund
and Copenhagen I could have visited in the process.



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On 05-20-19 07:55, Dan Clough <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Guns <=-

help? What will either of those actions get you? That's right...... dead. For someone (like me) who has a loaded pistol in my nightstand,
the outcome will likely be two dead thugs, and my family and property safe.

I wonder how many times your outcome is what really happens as
opposed to something else. E.g. one of the kids finds the gun
and plays with it.

Anyone who allows the chance of a kid finding/playing with the gun
should be prosecuted and jailed. In my case, the kids are grown,

I completely agree -- but I was reacting to your statement "who has a
loaded pistol in my nightstand".

and even yet, the gun is in a locked (biometric quick-open) small
safe. All the other guns in the house are locked in a large safe
in another room. Zero chance of anyone accessing any of them "accidently".

You did not say that you had a safe in your nightstand. That is much
more responsible than your orignal statement implied.

Dale Shipp
fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
(1:261/1466)

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On 05-20-19 07:57, Dan Clough <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: Guns <=-

I see. Thankfully we don't need a license to own/possess a gun
here in the USA. Our Constitution guarantees us the absolute
RIGHT to do so.

In most states that is not true. One needs a license to purchase
and in many places needs to pass a gun safety course. You seem
to be from Florida, which has a more lenient set of rules.

I don't believe that is true. Perhaps in the few almost-communist
states like Kalifornia, NY, NJ, IL, MD, etc you need a license to purchase, but not in nearly all other states.

You left out CT, DC, HI, IO, MA, MN, NB, NC, and RI from your list of
states where one needs a permit to purchase a handgun. That makes 14
and so I will amend my statement from most to many. There are other
states where one does not need a permit to purchase, but must register.
Even Florida requires a 3 day waiting period for a records check.

You may be confusing the requirements to get a "concealed carry"
permit, which does require a license, safety course, etc (in most
but not all states).

No -- I looked up the states I was most familiar with, including the
state where I live and have the most knowledge.

Dale Shipp
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Hello Björn!

20 May 19 16:25, you wrote to me:

Well, when cooking I never waste such an extraordinary product as
Extra Virgin Olive Oil. I only use butter and/or Rape Seed oil for cooking.

In Italy the butter is used mainly only for cakes and for "Risotto".

I Think it's mainly a cultural and geographical matter, in past times the commercial exchanges was less than now and countries that don't have the rigth climate to grow Olive Tree used animal fat like butter and lard.

We use Extra Virgin Olive oil for everything, mainly for raw food like salads or tomatoes but also on grilled meat or grilled vegetables but also when we prepare sauces, for example in Ragu' alla bolognese, Amatriciana, Carbonara and
so on we only use EVOO.

The only time I use my valuable Extra Virgin Oil is when dripping
it onto a salad, pasta, pizza, making mayonnaise or something similar. Heating it in a frying pan reduces it to Ordinary Olive Oil.

Mayonnaise with EVOO gets a bit stronger taste, if you like it so it's ok, otherwise we use seeds oil for a bit smoother taste.

In the last times the price for *REALLY* IEVOO (a lot of frauds happened in Italy) has raised a lot so we use EU EVOO for coocking and IEVOO for raw food.

Ciao!
Fabio

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Hello Björn!

20 May 19 17:41, you wrote to me:

In my previous comment I mentioned a few of my uses of this
wonderful product that nature has given us.

I deliberately left out the most important use of mine.

[...]

If you really want to give your loved one the erotic experience of
his or her life, I suggest that you take a small bottle of Extra
Virgin Olive Oil (it surely doesn't have to be Italian) into your
bedroom and surprise her.

I'm sorry for your lost, I'm married since 2001 and I love my wife so I can only try to understand your miss. :(

I'm honest, I never thinked about this use of EVOO, in "Last Tango in Paris" Bernardo Bertolucci teached us to use the butter to help some kind of practices. :P

I'll try... ;)

Ciao!
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Hello Ward!

20 May 19 20:38, you wrote to me:

Ward is a Barbarian, he use butter instead of Italian Extra Virgin
Olive Oil, you can figure out his taste about cars. :P :P :P

I use olive oil to fight ants.

Sir, you surprise me every time!
I don't want to say if it's a good or a bad suprise, but damn, you surprise me every time! :D :D :D

Ciao!
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The one in my bedroom (locked in a biometric-lock small safe) - in
2-3 seconds. Probably less if I'm not fully asleep.

'Biometric" as in how? Fingerprint? Eye-scan? Bettery powered or on the grid? If I enter your house illegally and shut-off the power first, is the safe still
safe? Can it still be opened?

Just curious.

Personally I don't get excited about gun-ownership but if I'd live in Montana, I'd have one.

I've had one break-in attempt many years ago, young kids (like in their 20s) trying to get in via the garage. Now I still have my grandfather's WW1 bayonet sheathed. These were not small things but long heavy things, like a small sword. Slammed-on the lights, stood there, unsheathed the bayonet/sword in plain sight and I swear I've never seen anyone run as fast as these kids to the
get-away car.

Ever since, I also have baseball bats at strategic locations, out of sight, but
where I know they are.

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Dale Shipp wrote to Dan Clough <=-

I see. Thankfully we don't need a license to own/possess a gun
here in the USA. Our Constitution guarantees us the absolute
RIGHT to do so.

In most states that is not true. One needs a license to purchase
and in many places needs to pass a gun safety course. You seem
to be from Florida, which has a more lenient set of rules.

I don't believe that is true. Perhaps in the few almost-communist
states like Kalifornia, NY, NJ, IL, MD, etc you need a license to purchase, but not in nearly all other states.

You left out CT, DC, HI, IO, MA, MN, NB, NC, and RI from your
list of states where one needs a permit to purchase a handgun.
That makes 14 and so I will amend my statement from most to many.

I'll take your word on the 14, but to put that into percentages,
that's about 28%. Not sure that even qualifies for the "many"
category. Perhaps "some". I would also argue that those 14
states may have un-Constitutional requirements in place.

There are other states where one does not need a permit to
purchase, but must register. Even Florida requires a 3 day
waiting period for a records check.

There are many details... In Florida the 3-day waiting period is
waived for people who possess Concealed Carry Permits, which are
fairly easy to get. Does require fingerprinting, background
check, proof of safety training, etc. Also, the 3-day thing is
only for handguns - long guns have no waiting period.


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Ward Dossche wrote to Dan Clough <=-

The one in my bedroom (locked in a biometric-lock small safe) - in
2-3 seconds. Probably less if I'm not fully asleep.

'Biometric" as in how? Fingerprint? Eye-scan? Bettery powered or
on the grid? If I enter your house illegally and shut-off the
power first, is the safe still safe? Can it still be opened?

Yes, fingerprint, powered by battery. The safe and it's ability
to be opened are not affected by power/grid.

Just curious.

Personally I don't get excited about gun-ownership but if I'd
live in Montana, I'd have one.

I think it may be a requirement for citizenship in Montana. ;-)

I've had one break-in attempt many years ago, young kids (like in
their 20s) trying to get in via the garage. Now I still have my grandfather's WW1 bayonet sheathed. These were not small things
but long heavy things, like a small sword. Slammed-on the lights,
stood there, unsheathed the bayonet/sword in plain sight and I
swear I've never seen anyone run as fast as these kids to the
get-away car.

Very nice.

Ever since, I also have baseball bats at strategic locations, out
of sight, but where I know they are.

A great idea. I have a similar setup.


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Hello Bj”rn,

Ward is a Barbarian, he use butter instead of Italian Extra Virgin Olive

Oil, you can figure out his taste about cars. :P :P :P

In my previous comment I mentioned a few of my uses of this wonderful product that nature has given us.

Thanks to Casanova, who taught us how to use it.

I deliberately left out the most important use of mine.

Jesus' first miracle was turning water into wine. He did it
because his mother asked him to. If you read the gospel account,
you'll know what really happened, and why.

Jesus' friends had crashed a wedding reception, and drank all
the wine in storage. Jesus' mother was desperate, and asked him
to do something, as his friends were passed out drunk with no wine
left in the caskets.

At first, he refused, saying it was not yet his time. Now, in
order to understand this, realize that Jewish men do not start
growing a beard until they get married. And Jesus was still a
very happy single guy, with no beard at all.

However, his mother insisted. And continued to insist. Until
finally Jesus gave up and told her he would take care of it.

Rather than waking up his friends, as he knew what they would do,
Jesus instructed one of workers at the reception to fill up one
of the caskets with water. Then, he waved his magic hands and
turned the water into erotic oil.

The bride and groom then entered the room, and were totally
amazed. Dipping his finger into the casket, the groom instantly
knew he and his bride were going to have loads of fun after the
party.

There is some question as to whether Jesus was a he or a she.
In my opinion, Jesus was a true hermaphodite, as the gospel
accounts clearly show his lover Judas Iscariot kissing him on
the lips in an olive garden.

Why else would Roman soldiers need a guy to point out Jesus,
unless Jesus was a woman? All the married guys had beards, but
no women. Therefore, it stands to reason ...

And here I suggest that all the prudish US readers skip to the next

message,

because this is about sex, something that you obviously does not want to read or hear about -- unless it involves a lot of violence.

Vikings. The race that conquered the world. Violent? With horns
on helmets, you betcha!

My wife and I first came in contact with the use of EVOO in our bedroom

some

30 years ago. After that first encounter, she always kept a small bottle

of

EVOO handy in our bedroom.

Olive oil has been used for thousands of years, especially noted
by Italians, Greeks, and Mediterranean peoples. There are other
natural personal lubricants, but olive oil is the nectar of the
gods (in a manner of speaking).

Many seriously erotic encounters later I still remember every one of them.

I

remember the massage I gave her with the EVOO, I remember the poignant taste of her salty sweat in combination with the fantastic olive oil. All over her body.

It's even better when you spice it up. Black pepper, geranium,
ylang ylang ...

And I still miss her like hell, more than three years after her untimely demise... :(

I was at a casino the other day, and overheard an elderly lady
who was playing the slots "I hope there are slot machines in heaven."

Mormons hold the view that there is sex in heaven, with those
they were with on this planet. Now, I do not know how different
Mormon heaven is from other heavens. Nor do I care to find out.

Point is, once an individual has completed his/her task on this
plane of existence, then that individual moves on to his/her next
plane of existence, whatever that may be.

Are there slot machines in heaven?
Is there sex in heaven?

Longing for something that once existed is looking backward.
It is a hope imagined, but nothing real.

And yet, we must imagine for anything to be real.

If you really want to give your loved one the erotic experience of his or her life, I suggest that you take a small bottle of Extra Virgin Olive Oil (it surely doesn't have to be Italian) into your bedroom and surprise her.

Adding black pepper gives it a warming sensation.
Adding peppermint gives it a cooling sensation.
Adding cinnamon oil gives it a very warm sensation.

Really fun combos to experiment with. Not limited
to those mentioned. Best in small doses before going
whole hog.

Oil-based personal lubricants (such as olive oil) won't work
with condoms. Or anything else made of latex. Better to ask
David D. for some sheep.

Rapeseed oil a definite no-no.
Remember, you have been warned.

Olive oil + coconut oil + (essential oils of choice) = workable combo

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On 21/05/2019 09:30, Gregory Deyss -> Dale Shipp wrote:
[...]

many places needs to pass a gun safety course. You seem to be from
Florida, which has a more lenient set of rules.

To hell with lefty democrats telling us what we should and shouldn't do.

Is that any less acceptable than "righty" conservatives telling women what they
can do with THEIR bodies?

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On 21/05/2019 12:26, Dan Clough -> David Drummond wrote:

How quickly can you access the firearms when the armed thugs
break in?

Are you thinking of trying? ;-)

The likelihood of me visiting the "Great Satan" is less than you being recognised as the second coming of Jesus, so no, I will not be appearing in your bedroom (nor that of your teenaged daughter).

The one in my bedroom (locked in a biometric-lock small safe) - in
2-3 seconds. Probably less if I'm not fully asleep.

The thug has 2-3 seconds to block you from your gunsafe then....

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David Drummond wrote to Gregory Deyss <=-

many places needs to pass a gun safety course. You seem to be from
Florida, which has a more lenient set of rules.

To hell with lefty democrats telling us what we should and shouldn't do.

Is that any less acceptable than "righty" conservatives telling
women what they can do with THEIR bodies?

Yes, it is. Here's why:

Gun rights are GUARANTEED by the US Constitution.

The act of killing babies is NOT protected by the Constitution.

There. Pretty simple, isn't it?


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David Drummond wrote to Dan Clough <=-

How quickly can you access the firearms when the armed thugs
break in?

The one in my bedroom (locked in a biometric-lock small safe) - in
2-3 seconds. Probably less if I'm not fully asleep.

The thug has 2-3 seconds to block you from your gunsafe then....

Nope. The house alarm systems and the dogs would alert me LONG
before anyone made it into the bedroom.


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On 22 May 2019, David Drummond said the following...

On 21/05/2019 09:30, Gregory Deyss -> Dale Shipp wrote:
[...]

many places needs to pass a gun safety course. You seem to be from
Florida, which has a more lenient set of rules.

To hell with lefty democrats telling us what we should and shouldn't

Is that any less acceptable than "righty" conservatives telling women
what they can do with THEIR bodies?

You think of your self as snarky and snappy, attempting to toss this back in my lap, such as you have. Remember, I live in New York, where the Democrats know not, right from wrong. The Truth is that there are people from both sides of the isle that are at odds with the abortion issue. So your attempt to call
this a righty conservative issue, is yet another example of your failure.

I know where I stand on the issue and that is all that matters to me and the people that I choose to associate with. They believe as I do.
I guess it is true what they say, Great minds think alike.

Let me not be coy as you were, in the circumstance of a rape or in danger of the mothers life, then of course, it is the carrying a child to full term delivering the child normally then making the child comfortable before it's murdered, that is not only wrong but it is also inconceivability evil.

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On 22/05/2019 09:28, Dan Clough -> David Drummond wrote:

To hell with lefty democrats telling us what we should and

shouldn't do.

Is that any less acceptable than "righty" conservatives telling
women what they can do with THEIR bodies?

Yes, it is. Here's why:

Gun rights are GUARANTEED by the US Constitution.

Only in so far as joining a militia to ward off a rambuncious government

The act of killing babies is NOT protected by the Constitution.

A foetus is not a baby. There is no prohibition in the US constitution outlawing the expelling of unwanted foetuses. Or maybe there is - can you reference the appropriate part please?

There. Pretty simple, isn't it?

Not so, no

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On 22/05/2019 10:30, Dan Clough -> David Drummond wrote:

The one in my bedroom (locked in a biometric-lock small safe) - in
2-3 seconds. Probably less if I'm not fully asleep.

The thug has 2-3 seconds to block you from your gunsafe then....

Nope. The house alarm systems and the dogs would alert me LONG
before anyone made it into the bedroom.

FUCK! You really are scared.

I live here with no alarm, no dogs and no firearms. I do NOT feel unsafe.

Of course I do not live within the USAMerican culture.

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On 22/05/2019 11:22, Gregory Deyss -> David Drummond wrote:

To hell with lefty democrats telling us what we should and shouldn't

Is that any less acceptable than "righty" conservatives telling women
what they can do with THEIR bodies?

You think of your self as snarky and snappy, attempting to toss this back

in my

lap, such as you have. Remember, I live in New York, where the Democrats

know

not, right from wrong.

Right and wrong are a matter of personal opinion.

The Truth is that there are people from both sides of
the isle that are at odds with the abortion issue. So your attempt to call this a righty conservative issue, is yet another example of your failure.

Anti-abortion is a conservative outlook, regardless of which political persuasion one is aligned to

I know where I stand on the issue and that is all that matters to me and

the

people that I choose to associate with. They believe as I do.

Has anyone ever tried to force an abortion upon you? Why do you should force your abortion views on them?

I guess it is true what they say, Great minds think alike.

I guess you'll never know if you mix with such oppressive paople.

Let me not be coy as you were, in the circumstance of a rape or in danger

of

the mothers life, then of course, it is the carrying a child to full term delivering the child normally then making the child comfortable before

it's

murdered, that is not only wrong but it is also inconceivability evil.

A foetus cannot be murdered - unless they make abortion illegal. If it is legal
it is not murder.

Why is it acceptable to kill someone entering a home uninvited, but not for a woman who has an unwanted conception?

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