Hello mark,

The one in my bedroom (locked in a biometric-lock small safe) - in
2-3 seconds. Probably less if I'm not fully asleep.

The thug has 2-3 seconds to block you from your gunsafe then....

that means they have to figure out the layout of the building, where the bedrooms are, and get there in that same 2-3 seconds... i think dan has
the advantage there if he is awakened by the sound of their entry...
yeah, that's a big "if" but depending on the setup, easily handled... especially if it is a two or three story building... we won't even
mention motion sensors and being able to tell where they are before they get too far in...

That can be passed by too ;-(.
In the south of France and in Spain there are troops that insert a gas into the ventilation holes of your caravan at the car parking on the highway routes to the south, so they can enter your mobile home and steal all the valuable things before you can get awake again. Because of that special gas they inserted in your (mobile) home you donot see, hear of feel them entering it.
The next morning you are flabbergasted at what happened that night ;-(.

The only solution to prevent this is a overpressured home in which no gases from outside can enter it without you knowing.
At the living on tankers they do the same, so never a gas from the (liquid) cargo hold will enter the steering house and living of the tank ship.
This technique is mandatory for inland tanker ships in Europe.
They are called the ADN rules.

Nautical greetings from Henri.

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Hello Dan,

The act of killing babies is NOT protected by the Constitution.
There. Pretty simple, isn't it?

"Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of
religion..." ALL of the anti-abortion arguments are based on
their religion

Bullshit. I'm anti-abortion and could not care less about
religion. Speaking for myself, I'm against it because I don't
think an innocent baby should be killed because the mother is irresponsible/stupid, or for any other reason for that matter.

So you are going to pay 20 years for rising up that baby,
because the very young mother has no job, no income and is very poor.
As you are against abortion, YOU should pay the grow up of that baby/child.
Oh you do not want that? Then let that girl get her abortion.
If you are not the father, it is NOT your business.
The world can not produce enough food for every human being.
So producing unlimited baby's is a very stupid thing.
It will give too much pain to everyone concerned in that area,
because many childs will die, because of too less amount of food,
and that is very bad for the menthal health of the parents.

Adoption is always a better option.

So you think a raped 11 yr old kid should full fill here pregnancy?
A very bad idea, because she is still a kid herself,
and the pregnancy will damage the health of her ungrown body too much.
Besides that, she is not mentally prepared to full fill such a pregnancy at that age.
Sorry but YOU are NOT responsable for what others do at this point,
so mind your own business.

In nature abortion happens too.
You know a female shark produces eggs to feed the baby shark growing in her. You call that abortion too, as in your eyes every egg should grow up.
So than immediately stop eating eggs from chicken, they should all be grown up. Even the most part of your own seed is not growing up, what a waste.
But in nature that is not waste, but food for others.

... Ignorance can be cured. Stupid is forever.

Ofcourse not.
If I decide to ignore you, no one can change that than only me.
So be nice to me, to prevent me from ignoring you ;-).

Greetings from Henri.

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Henri Derksen wrote to Dan Clough <=-

Bullshit. I'm anti-abortion and could not care less about
religion. Speaking for myself, I'm against it because I don't
think an innocent baby should be killed because the mother is irresponsible/stupid, or for any other reason for that matter.

So you are going to pay 20 years for rising up that baby,
because the very young mother has no job, no income and is very
poor. As you are against abortion, YOU should pay the grow up of
that baby/child. Oh you do not want that? Then let that girl get
her abortion.

No, I'm not going to pay for that. The family of the mother can
pay for that.

If you are not the father, it is NOT your business.

It is if my tax dollars are being used to pay/support (which they
are).

Adoption is always a better option.

So you think a raped 11 yr old kid should full fill here
pregnancy?

No, I don't. I would make exceptions for rape/incest pregnancies.

A very bad idea, because she is still a kid herself,
and the pregnancy will damage the health of her ungrown body too
much. Besides that, she is not mentally prepared to full fill
such a pregnancy at that age.
Sorry but YOU are NOT responsable for what others do at this
point, so mind your own business.

So..... if I'm not responsible (what you said right there above),
why should I have to pay for anything related to this?

If I decide to ignore you, no one can change that than only me.
So be nice to me, to prevent me from ignoring you ;-).

You're free to do whatever you like regarding that. Do you
actually think I care if you ignore me?


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Hello Henri,

The act of killing babies is NOT protected by the Constitution.
There. Pretty simple, isn't it?

"Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of
religion..." ALL of the anti-abortion arguments are based on
their religion

Bullshit. I'm anti-abortion and could not care less about
religion. Speaking for myself, I'm against it because I don't
think an innocent baby should be killed because the mother is
irresponsible/stupid, or for any other reason for that matter.

So you are going to pay 20 years for rising up that baby,
because the very young mother has no job, no income and is very poor.

Nah. The kid will put it up for adoption and let the state take
care of the rest. A legal form of kidnapping. Can't afford to raise
a kid? Put it up for adoption. The Trump administration has taken
this to a new level, separating parents from their children when
they cross the border. So why not separate the children from their
babies among those who are already here?

As you are against abortion, YOU should pay the grow up of that

baby/child.

But there are so many others who are willing to pay ...

Oh you do not want that? Then let that girl get her abortion.

Her parents won't let her do that. You see, parental consent
is required for children to get an abortion. Even if she was raped
by her own daddy.

If you are not the father, it is NOT your business.

Even convicted rapists have their rights. And that includes
parental consent if their victim is a pregnant kid. But new laws
passed allow for no exceptions including rape and incest. So the
kid has no choice but to have the rapist's baby. Even if she
doesn't like it.

The world can not produce enough food for every human being.
So producing unlimited baby's is a very stupid thing.
It will give too much pain to everyone concerned in that area,
because many childs will die, because of too less amount of food,
and that is very bad for the menthal health of the parents.

Russia has an aging population, which is why Vladimir Putin is
forced to find new lands to conquer. Such as Crimea and Georgia
and who knows where else ...

Japan has an aging population, which is why it is thinking about
changing the constitution to allow for the military to conquer
other lands as it did before. Unfortunately, there are no new
lands to conquer, except for a few rocky islands that are not
yet underwater due to climate change.

Adoption is always a better option.

So you think a raped 11 yr old kid should full fill here pregnancy?
A very bad idea, because she is still a kid herself,
and the pregnancy will damage the health of her ungrown body too much.

There is nothing illegal about kids having kids with other kids.
The grown-ups are now insisting that kids having kids with other
kids actually have those kids, making it illegal for others to
keep that from happening.

There is no age of consent among kids. Only for adults.
But new laws passed make no distinction, thus forcing kids
to have kids with everybody, including grown-ups.

Even if a grown-up is a convicted rapist, his victim (regardless
of age) is forced to have the kid, as there are no exceptions for
rape or incest.

Besides that, she is not mentally prepared to full fill such a pregnancy

at

that age.

Kids have kids all the time. Everywhere around the world.

Sorry but YOU are NOT responsable for what others do at this point,
so mind your own business.

But he's a right-to-lifer! Gotta protect those unborn children!
No matter what the cost! But let's keep the death penalty machine
oiled and greased, ready for use!

In nature abortion happens too.
You know a female shark produces eggs to feed the baby shark growing in

her.

You call that abortion too, as in your eyes every egg should grow up.
So than immediately stop eating eggs from chicken, they should all be

grown

up.
Even the most part of your own seed is not growing up, what a waste.
But in nature that is not waste, but food for others.

Beans. You forgot the beans. Aborted plants. Know what I mean?
Gotta eat beans to expel the hot air. Lots and lots of beans ...

... Ignorance can be cured. Stupid is forever.

Ofcourse not.

Stupid is as stupid does. Is that fixable?

If I decide to ignore you, no one can change that than only me.
So be nice to me, to prevent me from ignoring you ;-).

I can't fix stupid.

Smashing the delete key without smashing my own finger
is much too dangerous for me. Best to keep my unbroken
finger rather than lose a key.

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Hello Dan,

No, I'm not going to pay for that. The family of the mother can
pay for that.

I think an abortion is much cheaper than paying 20 years for growing up a unwanted baby to a selfsupporting human.

If you are not the father, it is NOT your business.

It is if my tax dollars are being used to pay/support (which they
are).

If the baby is made by a rape, that boy should pay the abortion or the adoption.
If that boy is not found, the government should pay the abortion,
until the police finds the boy. After that the boy has to pay back afterwards.

Adoption is always a better option.

So you think a raped 11 yr old kid should full fill here
pregnancy?

No, I don't. I would make exceptions for rape/incest pregnancies.

Then donot use the words "always" or "never" !

So..... if I'm not responsible (what you said right there above),
why should I have to pay for anything related to this?

Indeed.
Both boy/man and girl/woman have to pay the abortion or adoption.

If I decide to ignore you, no one can change that than only me.
So be nice to me, to prevent me from ignoring you ;-).

You're free to do whatever you like regarding that.
Do you actually think I care if you ignore me?

Look at the much more friendly words Fabio used here.
You are a hardway man, not so nice to discuss with.

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persons.

Indeed ;-(.

Henri.

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On 2019 May 23 14:42:00, you wrote to Dan Clough:

It is if my tax dollars are being used to pay/support (which they
are).

If the baby is made by a rape, that boy should pay the abortion or the adoption. If that boy is not found, the government should pay the abortion, until the police finds the boy. After that the boy has to
pay back afterwards.

boy???

[quote]
An 11-year-old girl in Ohio was allegedly raped by a 26-year-old multiple times, leaving her pregnant, according to police reports. A state law passed in
April, but not yet in effect, says that victims like her won't have a choice to have an abortion -- they would have to carry and deliver their rapist's child.

The law prohibits women from obtaining an abortion after a fetal heartbeat is detected, about five or six weeks into a pregnancy, before most women even know
that they're pregnant.

The law provides no exceptions for rape or incest.
[/quote]

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ohio-abortion-heartbeat-bill-pregnant-11-year-old- rape-victim-barred-abortion-after-new-ohio-abortion- bill-2019-05-13/

or

https://tinyurl.com/yyq2vr3f
https://preview.tinyurl.com/yyq2vr3f

and the worst part? these states that are trying to pass these laws have no women on the committees doing this... there's no input from females that are affected by these laws... then there's the reports that these laws are being passed by these states with the specific intention of taking the cases to the supreme court... a supreme court now loaded with those not in favor of "roe vs wade"... one of the new justices has been accused of plagiarism (included other's work in a book without proper attribution) and the other accused of sexual assault and/or sexual misconduct by three women; also accused of lying to the judicial committee...

FWIW and for those that do not know:

Roe v. Wade, 410 U.S. 113 (1973), was a landmark decision of the U.S. Supreme Court in which the Court ruled that the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution provides a fundamental "right to privacy" that protects a pregnant woman's liberty to choose whether or not to have an abortion. However, it ruled that this right is not absolute, and must be balanced against the government's interests in protecting women's health and protecting prenatal life. The Court resolved this balancing test by tying state
regulation of abortion to the three trimesters of pregnancy: the Court ruled that during the first trimester, governments could not prohibit abortions at all; during the second trimester, governments could require reasonable health regulations; during the third trimester, abortions could be prohibited entirely
so long as the laws contained exceptions for cases when abortion was necessary
to save the life of the mother. Because the Court classified the right to choose to have an abortion as "fundamental", the decision required courts to evaluate challenged abortion laws under the "strict scrutiny" standard, the highest level of judicial review in the United States.


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On 25/05/2019 04:22, mark lewis -> Henri Derksen wrote:

[quote]
An 11-year-old girl in Ohio was allegedly raped by a 26-year-old
multiple times, leaving her pregnant, according to police reports. A
state law passed in April, but not yet in effect, says that victims like her won't have a choice to have an abortion -- they would have to carry and deliver their rapist's child.

The law prohibits women from obtaining an abortion after a fetal
heartbeat is detected, about five or six weeks into a pregnancy, before most women even know that they're pregnant.

The law provides no exceptions for rape or incest.
[/quote]

Ah - they joys of "freedom".

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On 2019 May 25 09:37:38, you wrote to me:

The law prohibits women from obtaining an abortion after a fetal
heartbeat is detected, about five or six weeks into a pregnancy,
before most women even know that they're pregnant.

The law provides no exceptions for rape or incest.
[/quote]

Ah - they joys of "freedom".

even worse is when "they" have to legislate it...

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On 2019 May 29 01:49:00, you wrote to me:

i think you missed my point... the rapist is/was 26 years old...

That was in your story AFTER I mentioned mine version, not before. So
your guy was a man, mine could be a boy, both males indeed.

dude, damn... i posted a newspaper article about a very real and ongoing situation... it was the same article/situation that had already beein mentioned... it was not something i made up... seriously...

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Hi, Henri Derksen!
I read your message from 23.05.2019 00:29

HD> So you think a raped 11 yr old kid should full fill here
HD> pregnancy? A very bad idea, because she is still a kid herself,
HD> and the pregnancy will damage the health of her ungrown body
HD> too much. Besides that, she is not mentally prepared to full
HD> fill such a pregnancy at ??that age.

Would it be correct to issue a law, that a raped girl/woman should at
once visit a clinic to prevent her pregnancy? In this case she will not
have the dilemma "to kill or not to kill". I believe that every girl in
this world now knows that having sex may cause pregnancy.

Bye, Henri!
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On 31/05/2019 22:10, alexander koryagin -> Henri Derksen wrote:

Besides that, she is not mentally prepared to full
fill such a pregnancy at ??that age.

Would it be correct to issue a law, that a raped girl/woman should at
once visit a clinic to prevent her pregnancy? In this case she will not have the dilemma "to kill or not to kill". I believe that every girl in this world now knows that having sex may cause pregnancy.

Do men know that too, or that they (the men) are a required part of that pregnancy?

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Hi, David Drummond!
I read your message from 01.06.2019 05:16 HD>>> Besides that, she is not mentally prepared to full
HD>>> fill such a pregnancy at ??that age.
ak>> Would it be correct to issue a law, that a raped girl/woman
ak>> should at once visit a clinic to prevent her pregnancy? In
ak>> this case she will not have the dilemma "to kill or not to
ak>> kill". I believe that every girl in this world now knows
ak>> that having sex may cause pregnancy.
DD> Do men know that too, or that they (the men) are a required
DD> part of that pregnancy?

It is women, not men who abort babies.

PS: Besides, nowadays any sexual culprit can be traced by a DNA test.

Bye, David!
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PS: Besides, nowadays any sexual culprit can be traced by a DNA test.

Nevertheless ... no woman should ever be forcibly be committed to a child she did not willingly produce.

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On 2019 Jun 02 00:23:22, you wrote to alexander koryagin:

PS: Besides, nowadays any sexual culprit can be traced by a DNA test.

Nevertheless ... no woman should ever be forcibly be committed to a child she did not willingly produce.

exactly!

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Hello Alexander,

So you think a raped 11 yr old kid should full fill here
pregnancy? A very bad idea, because she is still a kid herself,
and the pregnancy will damage the health of her ungrown body
too much. Besides that, she is not mentally prepared to full
fill such a pregnancy at ??that age.

Would it be correct to issue a law, that a raped girl/woman should at
once visit a clinic to prevent her pregnancy? In this case she will not have the dilemma "to kill or not to kill". I believe that every girl in this world now knows that having sex may cause pregnancy.

A woman (or child) who has been raped is examined, evidence collected,
and given a spermicide of some kind that induces abortion. However,
not all women (or children) who have been raped have the opportunity
to get in touch with law enforcement (or go to a hospital), as they
are incarcerated at home by the perpetrator(s) who got them preggers.
And with new laws on the books making abortion illegal, with no
exceptions (even for rape and incest), the women (or children) who
are preggers are doomed.

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Hello Alexander,

Besides that, she is not mentally prepared to full fill such HD>>>a

pregnancy at ??that age.

Would it be correct to issue a law, that a raped girl/woman
should at once visit a clinic to prevent her pregnancy? In
this case she will not have the dilemma "to kill or not to
kill". I believe that every girl in this world now knows
that having sex may cause pregnancy.

Do men know that too, or that they (the men) are a required
part of that pregnancy?

It is women, not men who abort babies.

Most women need some help. Usually from a guy. But not always,
as sometimes another woman is available. However, a small handful
are do-it-yourselfers. You know who I am talking about. The ones
who find a coathanger lying around ...

PS: Besides, nowadays any sexual culprit can be traced by a DNA test.

I know a woman who never knew she was pregnant until she had one.
Not really sure she knew who knocked her up, or that it mattered.
Not even sure she wanted to know. Not that it mattered.

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Hello Alexander,

So you think a raped 11 yr old kid should full fill here
pregnancy? A very bad idea, because she is still a kid herself,
and the pregnancy will damage the health of her ungrown body
too much. Besides that, she is not mentally prepared to full
fill such a pregnancy at ??that age.

Would it be correct to issue a law, that a raped girl/woman should at
once visit a clinic to prevent her pregnancy?

So you think it is her fault, that she is raped or got incest?

In this case she will not have the dilemma "to kill or not to kill".

She got pregnant against her will !

I believe that every girl in this world now knows that having sex
may cause pregnancy.

First: Many girls in poor countries donot get sexual education at school.
So they even donot know how live works,
and got pregnant before they realise that,
after missing one or two monthly periods.
Second: Rape or incest is not sex at free will for the girl/woman.
She could not prevent that unwanted conception against a strong man. Third: In case of rape or incest, the man should be punished,
not the girl/woman.

In nature there is also abortion bacause of a bad health,
you can not always prevent that, sometimes unluckily.
Would you bring a woman to court if she got a natural unforced abortion?
Sorry but it is her body,
and not any man has the right to tell her what to do or not, period.
Hopefully no women got pregnant against their will by you.
Good luck.

Henri.

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On 1/06/2019 19:11, alexander koryagin -> David Drummond wrote:
[...]

kill". I believe that every girl in this world now knows
that having sex may cause pregnancy.

Do men know that too, or that they (the men) are a required
part of that pregnancy?

It is women, not men who abort babies.

I wonder haw hard abortions would be to get if it was the males that carried the foetus...

PS: Besides, nowadays any sexual culprit can be traced by a DNA test.

Does that make an unwanted pregnancy any easier for the woman?

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On 06-02-19 00:23, Ward Dossche <=-
spoke to Alexander Koryagin about Re: Guns. <=-

PS: Besides, nowadays any sexual culprit can be traced by a DNA test.

Nevertheless ... no woman should ever be forcibly be
committed to a child she did not willingly produce.

Not to mention that AKs statement is not true. He assumes that a DNA
was left behind that a rape kit could recover (often not), or that a DNA
test could be made on the fetus (not until later in the term), *AND*
that the DNA of the culprite is on file someplace -- also not always
true.

Dale Shipp
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Hello Henri,

So you think a raped 11 yr old kid should full fill here
pregnancy? A very bad idea, because she is still a kid herself,
and the pregnancy will damage the health of her ungrown body
too much. Besides that, she is not mentally prepared to full
fill such a pregnancy at ??that age.

Would it be correct to issue a law, that a raped girl/woman should at
once visit a clinic to prevent her pregnancy?

So you think it is her fault, that she is raped or got incest?

Doesn't matter. Right-to-lifers got their laws passed mandating
that all abortions are illegal, no exceptions, even for victims of
rape and incest.

In this case she will not have the dilemma "to kill or not to kill".

She got pregnant against her will !

Doesn't matter. Right-to-lifers gotta protect those unborn children, regardless of the health and welfare of mommy dearest.

I believe that every girl in this world now knows that having sex
may cause pregnancy.

First: Many girls in poor countries do not get sexual education at

school.

So they even do not know how live works, and got pregnant before they realise that, after missing one or two monthly periods.

Girls (presumably under age 18) are ignorant, therefore it is all
their fault. That is no excuse for getting an abortion. Especially
since condoms are freely available for those who can afford them.
Oh. That's right. Right-to-lifers want to ban the use of concoms
since using condoms would amount to being pre-emptive abortions.

Second: Rape or incest is not sex at free will for the girl/woman.
She could not prevent that unwanted conception against a strong man.

Which is why right-to-lifers insist on no exceptions for women
who are victims of rape and/or incest. Gotta protect the unborn
child at all costs, including if it kills the mother.

Third: In case of rape or incest, the man should be punished,
not the girl/woman.

Then why do right-to-lifers insist on no exceptions, forcing
women who are victims of rape and/or incest to carry the unborn
child to term?

In nature there is also abortion bacause of a bad health,
you can not always prevent that, sometimes unluckily.

A queen bee feeds her eggs to her own young to survive, and then
gets eaten when they grow up.

Would you bring a woman to court if she got a natural unforced abortion?

Only if I was a mullah in Iran.

Sorry but it is her body, and not any man has the right to tell her what

to

do or not, period.

A mullah in Iran can order a woman to get herself stoned by a mob.

Hopefully no women got pregnant against their will by you.
Good luck.

No woman would ever want to get pregnant by a mullah in Iran.

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Hello David,

It is women, not men who abort babies.

I wonder haw hard abortions would be to get if it was the males that

carried

the foetus...

Do you? Do you really?

PS: Besides, nowadays any sexual culprit can be traced by ak>a DNA test.

Does that make an unwanted pregnancy any easier for the woman?

If she is forced to carry it to term, what does it matter?

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On 3/06/2019 00:43, Lee Lofaso -> David Drummond wrote:

It is women, not men who abort babies.

I wonder how hard abortions would be to get if it was the males that carried
the foetus...

Do you? Do you really?

Yes - only casually of course, it is not keeping me up at night worrying.

PS: Besides, nowadays any sexual culprit can be traced by a > DNA test.

Does that make an unwanted pregnancy any easier for the woman?

If she is forced to carry it to term, what does it matter?

Indeed.

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Hi, Dale Shipp!
I read your message from 01.06.2019 23:01

ak>> PS: Besides, nowadays any sexual culprit can be traced by a
ak>> DNA test.
WD>> Nevertheless ... no woman should ever be forcibly be
WD>> committed to a child she did not willingly produce.

DS> Not to mention that AKs statement is not true. He assumes that
DS> a DNA was left behind that a rape kit could recover (often
DS> not), or that a DNA ??test could be made on the fetus (not
DS> until later in the term), *AND* ??that the DNA of the culprite
DS> is on file someplace -- also not always ??true.

Well, that part of my message was not essential. The main thing is not
how to punish the man - the main thing is the dilemma what to do with
the baby who appeared as the result of rape. The age of the baby IMHO is
not important very much. Well, let't take it as the age when all organs
are formed and the heart is beating.

Bye, Dale!
Alexander Koryagin
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Hi, Ward Dossche!
I read your message from 01.06.2019 23:23

ak>> PS: Besides, nowadays any sexual culprit can be traced by a
ak>> DNA test.

WD> Nevertheless ... no woman should ever be forcibly be committed
WD> to a child she did not willingly produce.

You better say, she wants to produce a dead child instead of a living
one. She probably thinks that child's live belongs to her.

Bye, Ward!
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Hi, Lee Lofaso!
I read your message from 02.06.2019 02:57

HD>>> So you think a raped 11 yr old kid should full fill here
HD>>> pregnancy? A very bad idea, because she is still a kid herself,
HD>>> and the pregnancy will damage the health of her ungrown body too
HD>>> much. Besides that, she is not mentally prepared to full fill
HD>>> such a pregnancy at?? that age.

ak>> Would it be correct to issue a law, that a raped girl/woman should
ak>> at once visit a clinic to prevent her pregnancy? In this case she
ak>> will not have the dilemma "to kill or not to kill". I believe that
ak>> every girl in this world now knows that having sex may cause
ak>> pregnancy.

LL> A woman (or child) who has been raped is examined, evidence
LL> collected, and given a spermicide of some kind that induces
LL> abortion. However, not all women (or children) who have been raped
LL> have the opportunity to get in touch with law enforcement (or go to
LL> a hospital), as they are incarcerated at home by the perpetrator(s)
LL> who got them preggers.

Well in this case there is no question about abortion according her
will. If afterwards she become free she will decide and refuse from the
child, but not kill him. If she kills it means she replaces one crime
for another.

Bye, Lee!
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Hi, Lee Lofaso!
I read your message from 02.06.2019 02:57

LL> I know a woman who never knew she was pregnant until she had
LL> one.

I know none women who didn't know that they had been raped. ;-)

Bye, Lee!
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Alexander,

Nevertheless ... no woman should ever be forcibly be committed
to a child she did not willingly produce.

You better say, she wants to produce a dead child instead of a living
one. She probably thinks that child's live belongs to her.

Men should also have no say what goes on in a woman's belly until they are biologically capable of carrying a baby to term and push it out trough a hole between their legs.

\%/@rd

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Hi, Henri Derksen!
I read your message from 02.06.2019 03:16

HD>> So you think a raped 11 yr old kid should full fill here
HD>>> pregnancy? A very bad idea, because she is still a kid herself,
HD>>> and the pregnancy will damage the health of her ungrown body too
HD>>> much. Besides that, she is not mentally prepared to full fill
HD>>> such a pregnancy at?? that age.
AK>> Would it be correct to issue a law, that a raped girl/woman should
AK>> at once visit a clinic to prevent her pregnancy?

HD> So you think it is her fault, that she is raped or got incest?

Not of course, but a raped woman IMHO has to do all she can to prevent
her unwanted pregnancy. Another situation begins when a child had
developed inside her womb, his heart beating etc.

AK>> In this case she will not have the dilemma "to kill or not to
AK>> kill".

HD> She got pregnant against her will!

Have you read what I wrote? If she goes to a medical clinic after rape
they can make her a procedure to prevent her pregnancy from scratch. She should not think that the case will be resolved by doing nothing. She
should think of her unwanted pregnancy right after rape. It is not the Binomial theorem.

AK>> I believe that every girl in this world now knows that having sex
AK>> may cause pregnancy.

HD> First: Many girls in poor countries donot get sexual
HD> education at school. So they even donot know how
HD> live works, and got pregnant before they realise
HD> that, after missing one or two monthly periods.

Well, let's talk about such countries as the USA, the EU, or Russia.

HD> Second: Rape or incest is not sex at free will for
HD> the girl/woman. She could not prevent that unwanted
HD> conception against a strong man.

I repeat, that if a woman can do things according her will, she must
think that the rape will lead to pregnancy, and she must not wait for it developing.

HD> Third: In case of rape or incest, the man should be
HD> punished, not the girl/woman.

At least must not be killed an innocent child.

HD> In nature there is also abortion bacause of a bad health, you can

Well, in this case it should be an terrible choice of her.

HD> not always prevent that, sometimes unluckily. Would you bring a
HD> woman to court if she got a natural unforced abortion? Sorry but it
HD> is her body, and not any man has the right to tell her what to do

To be exactly, there are two bodies, period.

Bye, Henri!
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Hi, David Drummond!
I read your message from 02.06.2019 07:16

ak>>>> kill". I believe that every girl in this world now
ak>>>> knows that having sex may cause pregnancy.
DD>>> Do men know that too, or that they (the men) are a
DD>>> required part of that pregnancy?
ak>> It is women, not men who abort babies.

DD> I wonder haw hard abortions would be to get if it was the males
DD> that carried the foetus...

Well, suppose somebody kicks a pregnant woman on her stomach and made
her foetus dead. Should it be treated as homicide or a just scuffle? If
a featus is not a human, why we should persecute somebody?

ak>> PS: Besides, nowadays any sexual culprit can be traced by a
ak>> DNA test.

DD> Does that make an unwanted pregnancy any easier for the woman?

I repeat that every woman knows that as a result of rape she can be
pregnant, and she has time to prevent pregnancy from starting.

Bye, David!
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Hello David,

It is women, not men who abort babies.

I wonder how hard abortions would be to get if it was the males that

carried

the foetus...

Do you? Do you really?

Yes - only casually of course, it is not keeping me up at night worrying.

Well, with three Chinese warships in Sydney harbor ... with hundreds
of horny Chinese sailors on board ...

PS: Besides, nowadays any sexual culprit can be traced by a > DNA test.

Does that make an unwanted pregnancy any easier for the woman?

If she is forced to carry it to term, what does it matter?

Indeed.

Just imagine the bondings those Aussie gals could make with those
dashing young men from China ...

--Lee

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On 4/06/2019 00:42, Lee Lofaso -> David Drummond wrote:

I wonder how hard abortions would be to get if it was the males that carried
the foetus...

Do you? Do you really?

Yes - only casually of course, it is not keeping me up at night

worrying.

Well, with three Chinese warships in Sydney harbor ... with hundreds
of horny Chinese sailors on board ...

That's nearly 1000 miles from here. I won't see any of such behaviour.
[...]

If she is forced to carry it to term, what does it matter?

Indeed.

Just imagine the bondings those Aussie gals could make with those
dashing young men from China ...

There are already a lot of people of Chinese origin living/studying in Australia. From my observations they don't tend to "bond" outside of their culture.

As I am not an "Aussie gal" I guess it doesn't affect me at all. I won't be legally forced to carry an unwanted pregnancy to term. Then again nor will the Aussie gals, abortion is quite legal in all Australian states.

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Gang warily
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"Some scientist ..." ... I can probably compile an interesting

catalogue

of nonsense which has been spread by scientists, including the world DD>WD> being flat.

Are you suggesting that it is not????

Of course it is not. We're living on the back of a turtle.

\%/@rd

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Hi, Michiel Van Der Vlist!
I read your message from 04.06.2019 10:37

ak>> Today many women bear via a cesarean section. Very
ak>> convenient. You take a pill, got asleep, got a baby -- good
ak>> morning, here you are! ;-) Some scientists say that in
ak>> future all women will do this procedure.
MV> Male scientists or female scientists?

I think both parts see the reasons why women use it more and more
frequently. And in general - if you have a possibility to avoid pain -
why you should refuse from it?

Bye, Michiel!
Alexander Koryagin
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Hi, Ward Dossche!
I read your message from 05.06.2019 01:58

ak>> Today many women bear via a cesarean section. Very convenient. You
ak>> take a pill, got asleep, got a baby -- good morning, here you are!
ak>> Some scientists say that in future all women will do this
ak>> procedure.

WD> My daughter runs the delivery ward of a major hospital. She
WD> says "bullshit".

WD> 1) The natural way for childbirth, vaginal. is the healthiest and
WD> is by far to be prefered.

I also heard that a shock therapy often helps. ;-) It should be
preferred by men or by women?

WD> 2) A Ceasarian section is a major abdominal operation with all the
WD> possible consequences. You make it sound like a game, it is not.
WD> Opt-in or opt-out, forget it. This is not a TV-show.

IMHO, the main feature of a Cesarean section is that everything is under
full control during the operation. Actually, this operation a nice
candidate for future robotic operations.

WD> "Some scientist..."... I can probably compile an interesting
WD> catalog of nonsense which has been spread by scientists, inclusing
WD> the world being flat.

But there is statistics that speaks of steady increasing of the number
such operations. The main reason - a woman can choose it by herself.

Bye, Ward!
Alexander Koryagin
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Alexander,

IMHO, the main feature of a Cesarean section is that everything is under full control during the operation. Actually, this operation a nice candidate for future robotic operations.

Everything is not under full control during the operation. There's very little talk about the times things go wrong ... my daughter can tell stories about incompetent gynaecologists...

But there is statistics that speaks of steady increasing of the number
such operations. The main reason - a woman can choose it by herself.

Hogwash.

Because of good medical care babies carried to full term are now bigger and bigger, there's just so much that can go through the pelvic opening.

Second reason is that docters can charge more for a Ceasarian section.

Third is it is becoming fashionable for women ... no scar tissue etc ... but the baby is missing out on some hormones and special vitamins essential for infants. For example Vitamin-K.

The statistical proof to make that statement is largely absent.

\%/@rd

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On 5/06/2019 11:40, Ward Dossche -> David Drummond wrote:

"Some scientist ..." ... I can probably compile an interesting catalogue
of nonsense which has been spread by scientists, including the world
being flat.

Are you suggesting that it is not????

Of course it is not. We're living on the back of a turtle.

The "Great Flat Backed Turtle"?

--

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of nonsense which has been spread by scientists, including the DD>WD>>> world being flat.

Are you suggesting that it is not????

Of course it is not. We're living on the back of a turtle.

The "Great Flat Backed Turtle"?

No, the world is the back of a turtle, which itself sits on another turtle, which itself ...

\%/@rd

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Hi, Ward Dossche!
I read your message from 05.06.2019 21:36

WD> The statistical proof to make that statement is largely absent.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/oct/11/use-of-caesarean-sections-growi ng-at-alarming-rate

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"In Brazil, there's a belief that normal childbirth is something the
poor do"
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Bye, Ward!
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Hi, Ward Dossche!
I read your message from 06.06.2019 00:49

DD>>WD> Of course it is not. We're living on the back of a
DD>> turtle.
WD>
DD>> The "Great Flat Backed Turtle"?
WD>
WD> No, the world is the back of a turtle, which itself sits on
WD> another turtle, which itself ...

The blame is on the aliens who tried to tell people about tectonic
plates too graphically, using things around. ;-)

Bye, Ward!
Alexander Koryagin
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Alexander,

"In Brazil, there's a belief that normal childbirth is something the
poor do"

Believing is something you do in a church. People 'believe' because of a 'lack of facts'.

\%/@rd

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Hello Ward,

Nevertheless ... no woman should ever be forcibly be committed to a child she did not willingly produce.

I would have to agree. As a rule I am against abortion except in cases where there was rape, incest, or where the result would likely end in the death of the mother. I do think though that unborn children should not be punished simply because they were unexpected, or inconvenient.

Jeff

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Hello Jeff,

On Saturday June 01 2019 17:11, you wrote to Ward Dossche:

I would have to agree. As a rule I am against abortion except in cases

Then by all means refrain from having an abortion except in those cases.

But do not tell others that they should not have an abortion either.

I do think though that unborn children should not be punished simply because they were unexpected, or inconvenient.

You are free to have your beliefs. But do not force them on others.


Cheers, Michiel

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Hello Ward,

"In Brazil, there's a belief that normal childbirth is something the
poor do"

Believing is something you do in a church. People 'believe' because of a 'lack of facts'.

That is complete and unadulterated bullsh*t -

https://www.winton.com/davids-views/august-2017/why-do-we-believe-things


People believe whatever they want to believe. Even with no basis
at all in fact (or fiction).

We must doubt in order to believe.
Without doubt there can be no belief.

Now do you believe?

--Lee

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Hello Michiel,

On Saturday June 01 2019 17:11, you wrote to Ward Dossche:

I would have to agree. As a rule I am against abortion except in cases

Then by all means refrain from having an abortion except in those cases.
But do not tell others that they should not have an abortion either.

I do think though that unborn children should not be punished simply
because they were unexpected, or inconvenient.

You are free to have your beliefs. But do not force them on others.

There is a difference between expressing an opinion or belief and forcing that opinion on others.

I wasn't aware that I suggested or expected anyone else to agree or abide by my opinion or belief.

Jeff


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Hello Michiel,

On Thursday June 06 2019 08:46, you wrote to me:

Contrary to opinons, beliefs are often based on religion and religious
believers usually have an urge to "convert" non believers. In the past not onl
by word, but also by the sword. Nowadays what we see now in the US is that
instead of the sword, the law is used to impose beliefs on others. Many states
are adopting laws that make abortion almost impossible. By democratically elected lawmakers...

Yes... Religion, and big company America. Not to mention the mainstream US media. IMHO,the current push is from the politicians that feed and pay the media to tell the public what they are supposed to think happened, what they are supposed to believe, and who they are suppose to blame for it all.

Sadly, as many have stated over the years. America will not be defeated by force. The way to defeat America is from within. That I fear has been slowly happening for awhile now.

If I used too wide a brush and you are not in that categorie, I apologize.

No apology necessary Michiel.

Jeff

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Hi, Ward Dossche!
I read your message from 03.06.2019 07:03

ak>> Nevertheless ... no woman should ever be forcibly be
ak>> committed to a child she did not willingly produce.

ak>> You better say, she wants to produce a dead child instead
ak>> of a living one. She probably thinks that child's live
ak>> belongs to her.

WD> Men should also have no say what goes on in a woman's belly
WD> until they are biologically capable of carrying a baby to term
WD> and push it out trough a hole between their legs.

Today many women bear via a cesarean section. Very convenient. You take
a pill, got asleep, got a baby -- good morning, here you are! ;-) Some scientists say that in future all women will do this procedure.

Bye, Ward!
Alexander Koryagin
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Hello alexander,

On Tuesday June 04 2019 13:23, you wrote to Ward Dossche:

Today many women bear via a cesarean section. Very convenient. You
take a pill, got asleep, got a baby -- good morning, here you are! ;-) Some scientists say that in future all women will do this procedure.

Male scientists or female scientists?


Cheers, Michiel

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Alexander,

Today many women bear via a cesarean section. Very convenient. You take
a pill, got asleep, got a baby -- good morning, here you are! ;-) Some scientists say that in future all women will do this procedure.

My daughter runs the delivery ward :-) of a major hospital. She says "bullshit".

1) The natural way for childbirth, vaginal. is the healthiest and is by far
to be prefered.

2) A Ceasarian section is a major abdominal operation with all the possible
consequences. You make it sound like a game, it is not. Opt-in or opt-out,
forget it. This is not a TV-show.

"Some scientist ..." ... I can probably compile an interesting catalog of nonsense which has been spread by scientists, inclusing the world being flat.

\%/@rd

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On 5/06/2019 02:58, Ward Dossche -> alexander koryagin wrote:

"Some scientist ..." ... I can probably compile an interesting catalogue of nonsense which has been spread by scientists, including the world
being flat.

Are you suggesting that it is not????

--

Gang warily
David

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Hello Jeff,

On Thursday June 06 2019 08:46, you wrote to me:

I do think though that unborn children should not be punished
simply because they were unexpected, or inconvenient.

You are free to have your beliefs. But do not force them on others.

There is a difference between expressing an opinion or belief and
forcing that opinion on others.

Yes, there is, but it is a fine line.

I wasn't aware that I suggested or expected anyone else to agree or
abide by my opinion or belief.

Contrary to opinons, beliefs are often based on religion and religious believers usually have an urge to "convert" non believers. In the past not only
by word, but also by the sword. Nowadays what we see now in the US is that instead of the sword, the law is used to impose beliefs on others. Many states are adopting laws that make abortion almost impossible. By democratically elected lawmakers...

If I used too wide a brush and you are not in that categorie, I apologize.


Cheers, Michiel

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Hello mark,

It is if my tax dollars are being used to pay/support (which they
are).

If the baby is made by a rape, that boy should pay the abortion or the HD>> adoption. If that boy is not found, the government should pay the
abortion, until the police finds the boy. After that the boy has to
pay back afterwards.

boy???

Yes, the one who made her pregnant.

[quote]
An 11-year-old girl in Ohio was allegedly raped by a 26-year-old
multiple times, leaving her pregnant, according to police reports. A
state law passed in April, but not yet in effect, says that victims like her won't have a choice to have an abortion -- they would have to carry
and deliver their rapist's child.

The safety of the mother weights more than the unborn feutus.

The law prohibits women from obtaining an abortion after a fetal
heartbeat is detected, about five or six weeks into a pregnancy, before most women even know that they're pregnant.

If I was that girl, then I would try everything to get that foetus removed.

The law provides no exceptions for rape or incest.
[/quote]

Never heard about the "morning after pill"
And second it was not her fault in that kind of cases.

Skipped the rest of your mail which is luckily not the carried out here in Europe that you describe.
Never heard about a ship, called "Women on waves" at with abortions took
place for countries which a too restrictive anti abortion law.
So in the long term, the most havy anti abortion laws will be removed.

Henri.

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On 2019 May 28 02:07:00, you wrote to me:

If the baby is made by a rape, that boy should pay the abortion or
the adoption. If that boy is not found, the government should pay
the abortion, until the police finds the boy. After that the boy has
to pay back afterwards.

boy???

Yes, the one who made her pregnant.

i think you missed my point... the rapist is/was 26 years old... that's not a "boy" by any standard ;) is he a male? sure... is he a man? that's questionable...

[quote]
An 11-year-old girl in Ohio was allegedly raped by a 26-year-old
multiple times, leaving her pregnant, according to police reports. A
state law passed in April, but not yet in effect, says that victims
like her won't have a choice to have an abortion -- they would have to
carry and deliver their rapist's child.

The safety of the mother weights more than the unborn feutus.

i know this... i'm on the side of the females... it is their body and no one else has any say in what they do with it, period...

The law prohibits women from obtaining an abortion after a fetal
heartbeat is detected, about five or six weeks into a pregnancy, before
most women even know that they're pregnant.

If I was that girl, then I would try everything to get that foetus

removed.

The law provides no exceptions for rape or incest.
[/quote]

Never heard about the "morning after pill"

i only quoted the article... i have heard of that medicine but i rather doubt that an 11 years old girl has... in this day in time, that may be an erroneous doubt, though...

And second it was not her fault in that kind of cases.

of course...

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Hello mark,

If the baby is made by a rape, that boy should pay the abortion or HD>>>> the adoption. If that boy is not found, the government should pay
the abortion, until the police finds the boy. After that the boy has HD>>>> to pay back afterwards.

boy???

Yes, the one who made her pregnant.

i think you missed my point... the rapist is/was 26 years old...

That was in your story AFTER I mentioned mine version, not before.
So your guy was a man, mine could be a boy, both males indeed.

that's not a "boy" by any standard ;) is he a male? sure... is he a man? that's questionable...

It sure is a man, but nog a gentle man ;-(.

i know this... i'm on the side of the females... it is their body and no one else has any say in what they do with it, period...

Yes.

Never heard about the "morning after pill"

i only quoted the article... i have heard of that medicine but i rather doubt that an 11 years old girl has... in this day in time, that may be
an erroneous doubt, though...

Today's kids know about internet and google ;-).

And second it was not her fault in that kind of cases.

of course...

ok, we agree here.
now the rest of your nation should learn about it.

Henri.

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