• Shortcomings of a human editor

    From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Björn Felten on Wednesday, May 29, 2019 18:18:02
    Hello Bjrn,

    MvdV>> What rushed against my feathers is that your Pavlov reflex was to
    go in
    MvdV>> denial mode and start shooting at the messenger by declaring my
    MvdV>> technical analysis as "totally wrong", where in fact is was 95%
    spot on.

    As a scientist I'm very much dedicated to the GIGO (Garbage In,
    Garbage
    Out) principle in any form of analysis.

    If you use the GI (i.e. the assumption that it was one and the same program that "failed") in your analysis, my "Pavlov reflex" made me classify the outcome as 100% GO.

    To one of my students from yesteryears I would have said "do again, do right".

    Chuck Mangione had a saying to all musicians aspiring to perform
    in public - "Play it right."

    No explanation needed for musicians to get the point.

    There is one exception.

    A band I once heard at a casino that was so bad I wish i could
    forget the band's name. Had their own groupies that would follow
    them wherever they performed. I asked people at the casino what
    they thought of the band. Everybody said the band was "horrible"
    and "terrible" and other words that cannot be said in public.

    This horrible band was so bad it had somehow managed to find gigs
    every weekend at various places in the region. I made sure I never
    went to see them anywhere they performed in public on purpose.

    One day I was at a book fair where old books and stuff is sold
    for cheap. Really cheap. And there, on a table of records and
    cd's, was a new recording of this band. I forget what I paid
    for it, but it was less than a dollar.

    Boot Leg Joe.

    If ever you find a bar owner in Sweden who wants to hire the
    worst band in the civilized world, tell him/her to call them up.

    --Lee

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Michiel van der Vlist on Tuesday, May 28, 2019 13:47:12
    MvdV> You claim you actually do "editing". So you should have noticed the
    MvdV> deviation and "edited" it.

    Of course I should have. But when it comes to contributions from some of the
    major ones, I tend to just take a short glance at it. It usually is perfectly done so I trust it to be perfect as usual.

    Just as I missed your automated contribution, in the midst of one new every week, not so long ago, where in an ideal world, I should have noticed the longer than 70 chars/line error.

    I'm just a human being, performing a job without pay (and very little appreciation) for soon to be 20 years. If you want a perfect editor on the job,
    you probably have to pay up big time. In the meantime you'll have to accept a total catastrophe like the one with a few miscoded apostrophises.



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  • From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to Björn Felten on Tuesday, May 28, 2019 14:11:26
    Hello Bjrn,

    On Tuesday May 28 2019 13:47, you wrote to me:

    I'm just a human being, performing a job without pay (and very
    little appreciation) for soon to be 20 years. If you want a perfect
    editor on the job, you probably have to pay up big time. In the
    meantime you'll have to accept a total catastrophe like the one with a
    few miscoded apostrophises.

    Of course. As a human and unpaid volunteer you are entitled to a fair share of errors. And yes, shit happens. And indeed, two miscoded apostrophes are no big deal.

    What rushed against my feathers is that your Pavlov reflex was to go in denial mode and start shooting at the messenger by declaring my technical analysis as "totally wrong", where in fact is was 95% spot on.

    Cheers, Michiel

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Michiel van der Vlist on Tuesday, May 28, 2019 15:00:48
    MvdV> What rushed against my feathers is that your Pavlov reflex was to go in
    MvdV> denial mode and start shooting at the messenger by declaring my
    MvdV> technical analysis as "totally wrong", where in fact is was 95% spot on.

    As a scientist I'm very much dedicated to the GIGO (Garbage In, Garbage Out)
    principle in any form of analysis.

    If you use the GI (i.e. the assumption that it was one and the same program that "failed") in your analysis, my "Pavlov reflex" made me classify the outcome as 100% GO.

    To one of my students from yesteryears I would have said "do again, do right".



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  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to Björn Felten on Tuesday, May 28, 2019 07:43:00
    Bjrn Felten wrote to Michiel van der Vlist <=-

    MvdV> You claim you actually do "editing". So you should have
    MvdV> noticed the deviation and "edited" it.

    Of course I should have. But when it comes to contributions
    from some of the major ones, I tend to just take a short glance
    at it. It usually is perfectly done so I trust it to be perfect
    as usual.

    So you just ASSumed that it was correct. Usually a mistake.

    Just as I missed your automated contribution, in the midst of
    one new every week, not so long ago, where in an ideal world, I
    should have noticed the longer than 70 chars/line error.

    Seems like long line(s) would have been quite obvious.

    I'm just a human being, performing a job without pay (and very
    little appreciation) for soon to be 20 years. If you want a
    perfect editor on the job, you probably have to pay up big time.
    In the meantime you'll have to accept a total catastrophe like
    the one with a few miscoded apostrophises.

    But are you really "editing" anything? Or do you just do a couple
    of clicks on your Windows system and various utilities/scripts
    cobble together what passes for the FidoNews? No real human
    interaction required.



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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Dan Clough on Tuesday, May 28, 2019 15:13:09
    But are you really "editing" anything?

    Have you ever made a contribution, or are you just happy standing there in the Peanut Gallery complaining?

    If you had, you would know...


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  • From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to Dan Clough on Tuesday, May 28, 2019 15:10:36
    Hello Dan,

    On Tuesday May 28 2019 07:43, you wrote to Bjrn Felten:

    Just as I missed your automated contribution, in the midst of
    one new every week, not so long ago, where in an ideal world, I
    should have noticed the longer than 70 chars/line error.

    Seems like long line(s) would have been quite obvious.

    It is not. If it were obvious *I* would have noticed it myself when editing the
    table that was part of the submission. While I still wonder why in this day and age Bjrn's softwae is so harsh and dumb that it totally rejects an article
    if a single line exceeds 70 characters, instead of dealing with it in a more intelligent and relaxed way, I fully accept that the error was mine. And so I have taken steps to make sure it does not happen again.


    Cheers, Michiel

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Michiel van der Vlist on Tuesday, May 28, 2019 15:50:15
    MvdV> it totally rejects an article

    It does not! That's simply not true.

    Every submitted article is included as the original file in the INPU*.* files found on the fidonews.eu as well as the eljaco.se sites. No matter if it violated the archaic MAKENEWS rules or not.

    Those file has also, since about 15 years ago, been distributed in the file echo SNOOZE for the benefit of originally the producer of the fidonews.org echo, but also in order to facilitate other projects like that.

    Alas, this is what I got for trying to assist in making the Fidonews available in various different forms...



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  • From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to Björn Felten on Tuesday, May 28, 2019 23:12:12
    Hello Bjrn,

    On Tuesday May 28 2019 15:00, you wrote to me:

    If you use the GI (i.e. the assumption that it was one and the same program that "failed") in your analysis, my "Pavlov reflex" made me classify the outcome as 100% GO.

    I made no such assumption.


    Cheers, Michiel

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  • From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to Björn Felten on Tuesday, May 28, 2019 23:16:01
    Hello Bjrn,

    On Tuesday May 28 2019 15:50, you wrote to me:

    MvdV>> it totally rejects an article

    It does not! That's simply not true.

    Hmmm... Not so long ago you referred to the file distributed in the file echo as the "final authority", The article was missing in the file...

    Every submitted article is included as the original file in the
    INPU*.* files found on the fidonews.eu as well as the eljaco.se sites.
    No matter if it violated the archaic MAKENEWS rules or not.

    The article was rejected for inclusion in the file and the echo.

    OK, OK, I will make the following correction:

    It totally rejects an article from the version in the file distribution ands the version as published in the echo.

    Happy now?

    Those file has also, since about 15 years ago, been distributed in
    the file echo SNOOZE for the benefit of originally the producer of the fidonews.org echo, but also in order to facilitate other projects like that.

    Note that I also added that the error was mine amnd that I had taken steps to prevent it from happening again.

    Alas, this is what I got for trying to assist in making the
    Fidonews available in various different forms...

    No, this is what you get for acting like an asshole that has to turn everything
    into a pissing contest. Next time make sure you have your back turned into the wind.


    Cheers, Michiel

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