Hello Bj”rn,

MvdV>> What rushed against my feathers is that your Pavlov reflex was to

go in

MvdV>> denial mode and start shooting at the messenger by declaring my
MvdV>> technical analysis as "totally wrong", where in fact is was 95%

spot on.

As a scientist I'm very much dedicated to the GIGO (Garbage In,

Garbage

Out) principle in any form of analysis.

If you use the GI (i.e. the assumption that it was one and the same program that "failed") in your analysis, my "Pavlov reflex" made me classify the outcome as 100% GO.

To one of my students from yesteryears I would have said "do again, do right".

Chuck Mangione had a saying to all musicians aspiring to perform
in public - "Play it right."

No explanation needed for musicians to get the point.

There is one exception.

A band I once heard at a casino that was so bad I wish i could
forget the band's name. Had their own groupies that would follow
them wherever they performed. I asked people at the casino what
they thought of the band. Everybody said the band was "horrible"
and "terrible" and other words that cannot be said in public.

This horrible band was so bad it had somehow managed to find gigs
every weekend at various places in the region. I made sure I never
went to see them anywhere they performed in public on purpose.

One day I was at a book fair where old books and stuff is sold
for cheap. Really cheap. And there, on a table of records and
cd's, was a new recording of this band. I forget what I paid
for it, but it was less than a dollar.

Boot Leg Joe.

If ever you find a bar owner in Sweden who wants to hire the
worst band in the civilized world, tell him/her to call them up.

--Lee

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MvdV> You claim you actually do "editing". So you should have noticed the
MvdV> deviation and "edited" it.

Of course I should have. But when it comes to contributions from some of the
major ones, I tend to just take a short glance at it. It usually is perfectly done so I trust it to be perfect as usual.

Just as I missed your automated contribution, in the midst of one new every week, not so long ago, where in an ideal world, I should have noticed the longer than 70 chars/line error.

I'm just a human being, performing a job without pay (and very little appreciation) for soon to be 20 years. If you want a perfect editor on the job,
you probably have to pay up big time. In the meantime you'll have to accept a total catastrophe like the one with a few miscoded apostrophises.



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Hello Bj”rn,

On Tuesday May 28 2019 13:47, you wrote to me:

I'm just a human being, performing a job without pay (and very
little appreciation) for soon to be 20 years. If you want a perfect
editor on the job, you probably have to pay up big time. In the
meantime you'll have to accept a total catastrophe like the one with a
few miscoded apostrophises.

Of course. As a human and unpaid volunteer you are entitled to a fair share of errors. And yes, shit happens. And indeed, two miscoded apostrophes are no big deal.

What rushed against my feathers is that your Pavlov reflex was to go in denial mode and start shooting at the messenger by declaring my technical analysis as "totally wrong", where in fact is was 95% spot on.

Cheers, Michiel

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MvdV> What rushed against my feathers is that your Pavlov reflex was to go in
MvdV> denial mode and start shooting at the messenger by declaring my
MvdV> technical analysis as "totally wrong", where in fact is was 95% spot on.

As a scientist I'm very much dedicated to the GIGO (Garbage In, Garbage Out)
principle in any form of analysis.

If you use the GI (i.e. the assumption that it was one and the same program that "failed") in your analysis, my "Pavlov reflex" made me classify the outcome as 100% GO.

To one of my students from yesteryears I would have said "do again, do right".



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Bj”rn Felten wrote to Michiel van der Vlist <=-

MvdV> You claim you actually do "editing". So you should have
MvdV> noticed the deviation and "edited" it.

Of course I should have. But when it comes to contributions
from some of the major ones, I tend to just take a short glance
at it. It usually is perfectly done so I trust it to be perfect
as usual.

So you just ASSumed that it was correct. Usually a mistake.

Just as I missed your automated contribution, in the midst of
one new every week, not so long ago, where in an ideal world, I
should have noticed the longer than 70 chars/line error.

Seems like long line(s) would have been quite obvious.

I'm just a human being, performing a job without pay (and very
little appreciation) for soon to be 20 years. If you want a
perfect editor on the job, you probably have to pay up big time.
In the meantime you'll have to accept a total catastrophe like
the one with a few miscoded apostrophises.

But are you really "editing" anything? Or do you just do a couple
of clicks on your Windows system and various utilities/scripts
cobble together what passes for the FidoNews? No real human
interaction required.



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But are you really "editing" anything?

Have you ever made a contribution, or are you just happy standing there in the Peanut Gallery complaining?

If you had, you would know...


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Hello Dan,

On Tuesday May 28 2019 07:43, you wrote to Bj”rn Felten:

Just as I missed your automated contribution, in the midst of
one new every week, not so long ago, where in an ideal world, I
should have noticed the longer than 70 chars/line error.

Seems like long line(s) would have been quite obvious.

It is not. If it were obvious *I* would have noticed it myself when editing the
table that was part of the submission. While I still wonder why in this day and age Bj”rn's softwae is so harsh and dumb that it totally rejects an article
if a single line exceeds 70 characters, instead of dealing with it in a more intelligent and relaxed way, I fully accept that the error was mine. And so I have taken steps to make sure it does not happen again.


Cheers, Michiel

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MvdV> it totally rejects an article

It does not! That's simply not true.

Every submitted article is included as the original file in the INPU*.* files found on the fidonews.eu as well as the eljaco.se sites. No matter if it violated the archaic MAKENEWS rules or not.

Those file has also, since about 15 years ago, been distributed in the file echo SNOOZE for the benefit of originally the producer of the fidonews.org echo, but also in order to facilitate other projects like that.

Alas, this is what I got for trying to assist in making the Fidonews available in various different forms...



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Hello Bj”rn,

On Tuesday May 28 2019 15:00, you wrote to me:

If you use the GI (i.e. the assumption that it was one and the same program that "failed") in your analysis, my "Pavlov reflex" made me classify the outcome as 100% GO.

I made no such assumption.


Cheers, Michiel

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Hello Bj”rn,

On Tuesday May 28 2019 15:50, you wrote to me:

MvdV>> it totally rejects an article

It does not! That's simply not true.

Hmmm... Not so long ago you referred to the file distributed in the file echo as the "final authority", The article was missing in the file...

Every submitted article is included as the original file in the
INPU*.* files found on the fidonews.eu as well as the eljaco.se sites.
No matter if it violated the archaic MAKENEWS rules or not.

The article was rejected for inclusion in the file and the echo.

OK, OK, I will make the following correction:

It totally rejects an article from the version in the file distribution ands the version as published in the echo.

Happy now?

Those file has also, since about 15 years ago, been distributed in
the file echo SNOOZE for the benefit of originally the producer of the fidonews.org echo, but also in order to facilitate other projects like that.

Note that I also added that the error was mine amnd that I had taken steps to prevent it from happening again.

Alas, this is what I got for trying to assist in making the
Fidonews available in various different forms...

No, this is what you get for acting like an asshole that has to turn everything
into a pissing contest. Next time make sure you have your back turned into the wind.


Cheers, Michiel

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