Ah well, CP 850 is the primary code page and default OEM code
page in many countries,
In case you didn't know it, Fidonet is and has always been a DOS
based network.
All you have to do is look at all the eight bit structures of all our
definitions. Ever since we got 16-bit
and then 32 and now 64-bit systems, I've been fighting with stuff like BF>> big vs. little endians and similar, I happen to know.
At this moment I donot like the UTF 8 circus.
So if contributing FidoNews is restricted to UTF8 only, it will sure
decrease your input.
I still prefer e.g. 'humour' over 'humor' though, but that's just me.
8-)
That is not completely sure.
In case you didn't know it, Fidonet is and has always been a DOS
based network.
Mine for instance ;-).
That is not completely sure.
Some guys of our othernet AcoNet wrote FTN BBCscan software for the 8
bit Acorn BBC B computers to communicatie with FidoNet systems.
That was at the end of the 80's start of the 90's.
and then 32 and now 64-bit systems, I've been fighting with stuff
like big vs. little endians and similar, I happen to know.
I have heard that terms before, and I neither understood it.
Hello Michiel,
You forget France.
That may be, but someone at the TV has explained why in the long run
the differences in languages will go away.
You already see it at universities here in The Netherlands. Many
studies are only available in Englisch, not even in Dutch any more.
Even for the Master Study of Dutch, there is a significant declining
in students. Some weeks ago someone warned us for that. The same will happen in Friesland in future. Learning a local language only a small
part speaks, is a kind of waste of energy.
In the same time you could study Englisch, German, Spanisch or French
to widen your horizon. You do the same to commnucate with many
Russians. There are also Russians who write perfectly Englisch, even
if it is not their native language.
At this moment I donot like the UTF 8 circus.
The complex use of apostrophes etc is only a way to distinguish from
other languages, and nothing more.
Yes because not al my systems can display all kinds of code pages.
I have at least 3 different ones.
First I have the UniCorn BBS system at Dos 5 with CP437
Second I have all the RISC OS machines (RiscPC's, Pi's) using Latin 1.
And third the Raspbian Stretch Linux at several other Raspberry Pi's.
The last one can both Latin 1 and UTF8 If I am right.
When I collect some text from a website, I can only save that textfile
If I choose UTF8. Whith the Default Latin 1 the saving gives an error,
and won't save the textfile at all ;-(.
So if contributing FidoNews is restricted to UTF8 only, it will
sure decrease your input.
Ok, thanks for the explanation.
Sorry, but that is zero.
At this moment I donot like the UTF 8 circus.
The complex use of apostrophes etc is only a way to distinguish from
other languages, and nothing more.
I have at least 3 different ones.
First I have the UniCorn BBS system at Dos 5 with CP437
Second I have all the RISC OS machines (RiscPC's, Pi's) using Latin 1.
And third the Raspbian Stretch Linux at several other Raspberry Pi's.
The last one can both Latin 1 and UTF8 If I am right.
When I collect some text from a website, I can only save that textfile HD>> If I choose UTF8. Whith the Default Latin 1 the saving gives an error, HD>> and won't save the textfile at all ;-(.
MvdV>>> Not any more.In case you didn't know it, Fidonet is and has always been a DOS
based network.
Mine for instance ;-).
MvdV> Note the "AFAIK".That is not completely sure.
Some guys of our othernet AcoNet wrote FTN BBCscan software for the 8
bit Acorn BBC B computers to communicatie with FidoNet systems.
I too wrote software for my 8 bit Flex system to "communicate with
Fidonet systems". I could use it to read and write messages posted on
BBS's participating in Fidonet. But it was not a Fidonet mailer. It
could not do FTS-1.
That was at the end of the 80's start of the 90's.
I do not know the Node numbers, but the first one was Evert Snel,
Once again thanks to Pavel Gulchouck 2:463/68
Once again thanks to Pavel Gulchouck 2:463/68
You definitely must have relatives in the Netherlands.
At this moment I donot like the UTF 8 circus.
That's not the problem,
but that it does not work at my favorite machine,
You can often read that from the context,
so accents not always necessarry.
Many people use them in the wrong way too, or do not use
them at all.
You can write e'e'n in stead, no special apostrophes needed ;-).
You can write Ro"el, no special apostrophes needed ;-).
At the basis school I learned that the trema means a split before the character it is placed on. So Ro"el is correct and Roe"l is
wrong.
Other point is the points on the i with a trema. There should
be three of them not two, because the letter i already has one of its
own. The trema is an extra 2 points, so in total 3. A good typewriter
does this write well, i.e. which all the three points.
That's why I am allways talking about the Point(s) on the i ;-).
The Duth "y with dots are mostly spelled as two characters "ij"
In Germany they do the same by placing a letter e behind
vowels with an Umlaut, nothing wrong with that.
That is a far from my bed show,
I have not the energy for to learn.
You can write UKP for it, no special sign needed ;-).
Yes.
Mine the same.
I have never learned about that special character at schools.
Yes, not every one will follow, we have here someone only writing in
lc. That's a choice others should also respect.
First I have the UniCorn BBS system at Dos 5 with CP437
I am aware of that.
In the fido software you could choose for one at a time only.
Changing after every message was and still is almost undoable.
For the next message you had to leave all the programs, than change codepage, en then start all programs up again,
Even a far from my bed show I have not the energy for.
I had no choice,
I still use it daily, I am writing on it now.
Only the transfer stopped (temporarely) because of a defective RS232
card.
Now I use the Raspberry Pi 1B2 with RISC OS and !ROSBink for that at
IP.
Then I move the received pkt's to it by floppy disk, and the sended
out ones back to the Pi. The Acorn RiscPC is the central machine in
the local net to do the transfers.
Yes.
That is not completely sure.
That's why I was explaining it here.
Some guys of our othernet AcoNet wrote FTN BBCscan software for
the 8 bit Acorn BBC B computers to communicatie with FidoNet
systems.
I too wrote software for my 8 bit Flex system to "communicate with
Fidonet systems". I could use it to read and write messages posted
on BBS's participating in Fidonet. But it was not a Fidonet
mailer. It could not do FTS-1.
Our Acorn BBC B's could do later on with BBCscan.
That was at the end of the 80's start of the 90's.
I donot know the Node numbers, but the first one was Evert Snel, he
later on moved from The Hague to Eindhoven area and transferred his
body to become a female, they call such people transgenders.
I do not know the Node numbers, but the first one was Evert Snel,
2:512/100 Evert Snel from Delft Holland 1988.01.08 -1989.06.16
2:285/810 Evert Snel from Delft 1993.02.19 - 1994.05.06
2:281/633 Evert Snel from Delft 1994.03.18 - 1996.08.02
Once again thanks to Pavel Gulchouck 2:463/68
Once again thanks to Pavel Gulchouck 2:463/68
You definitely must have relatives in the Netherlands.
Negatory.
Regarding
proving your point... You have thrown up so many smoke screens by now
that I have lost track of whatever your point was. Congratulations.
Regarding proving your point... You have thrown up so many smoke screens by now
that I have lost track of whatever your point was. Congratulations.
It is called "Pulling a Witt".
It is called "Pulling a Witt".
He whose name must not be mentioned......
Some guys of our othernet AcoNet wrote FTN BBCscan software for
the 8 bit Acorn BBC B computers to communicatie with FidoNet
systems.
Our Acorn BBC B's could do later on with BBCscan.
That was at the end of the 80's start of the 90's.
I donot know the Node numbers,
but the first one was Evert Snel, he later on moved from The Hague to
Eindhoven area and transferred his body to become a female,
they call such people transgenders.
Pavel Gulchouck's work can be accessed from the updated first page at fidonet.org, it's not something you unearthed.
Pavel Gulchouck's work can be accessed from the updated first page BF>WD> at fidonet.org, it's not something you unearthed.
Ahhhh, I see. So you want to think that *you* "unearthed" it 12 May
2019? Sorry, but I've known about it for many years before that.
including sysop names and phonenumbers, but today I could not find it anymore :-(. some time i'll see it later. Memory is a difficult matter ;-(.
but the first one was Evert Snel, he later on moved from The
Hague to Eindhoven area and transferred his body to become a
female, they call such people transgenders.
(S)he was for a long time our AcoNet host and also had a FidoNet node number. He wrote BBCscan for tossing and scanning mail from/to PKT for both AcoNet and FidoNet.
That's your coloured view.
I did not have the intention to hide something.
(S)he (Evelien) is still alive and kicking as you can see at her
website. You also know Simon Voortman. He can stand that he ran his
BBS at an Acorn BBC, including AcoNet, but I am unsure when he started being a member of FidoNet, or if he already changed his BBS to a 26
bit Acorn A5000 or Acorn RiscPC. He also used his R7500 for that task
some time. Now he uses a Linux system with Husky.
I'll send you some Dutch files to prove more.
Imagine all the nice articles you could have written in the meantime instead of just pissing around.
As opposed to your claim that there never was an FTN mailer running
on an 8-bit system, you mean?
In case you didn't know it, Fidonet is and has always been a DOS
based network.
It *does* fail you. The question was what character encoding to use
if you want your article to show as you want it to in the echo -- not
in the actual Fidonews.
Your IPv6 list seems to show OK in both versions every week, no...?
Look here:
<http://eveliensnel.com/bbs>
you unbelievable Thomas.
And also here:
<http://evelinsnel.com/cv>
<http://eveliensnel.com/bbs>
<http://evelinsnel.com/cv>
Since the first server obviously was found, can it be that the
second link was misspelled and should be:
http://eveliensnel.com/bbs/
Since the first server obviously was found, can it be that
the second link was misspelled and should be:
http://eveliensnel.com/bbs/
I meant http://eveliensnel.com/cv/ obviously.
<http://evelinsnel.com/cv>
<http://eveliensnel.com/cv>
No it wasn't. It was a permanent "glitch" caused by a missing E in
the URL.
<http://evelinsnel.com/cv>
... rather than the proper
<http://eveliensnel.com/cv>
And you should have been able to detect that, just as I did,
How? If not the way I did it?
Are you doing a Ward now? Never publicly admit that you made a
mistake?
Michiel van der Vlist wrote to Bj”rn Felten <=-
And you should have been able to detect that, just as I did,
And you could have told me right away instead of wasting my time
over a spelling error.
Congratulations for once again winnig a pissing contest.
Look here:
<http://eveliensnel.com/bbs>
How? If not the way I did it?mistake?
Are you doing a Ward now? Never publicly admit that you made a
On 06-03-19 11:54, David Drummond wrote to Michiel van der Vlist <=-
30C is just balmy.
On 06-03-19 11:54, David Drummond wrote to Michiel van der Vlist <=-
30C is just balmy.
Yep, 30C is just a pleasant day.:)
On 06-03-19 11:33, Kees van Eeten wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
It was a nice spring day. Yesterday I returned from a three day
meeting with
R24 Fidonutters. Almost the whole trip from Frankfurt over Hannover to my
place, the car thermometer indicated 33 deg C.
Hello Bjÿrn,Running
On Sunday June 02 2019 11:20, you wrote to me:
MvdV>> Sidetracking into the question if there ever were Fidonet nodes
MvdV>> running on 8 bit systems is just a smoke screen.
As opposed to your claim that there never was an FTN mailer running on an 8-bit system, you mean?
I made no such claim. What I stated was that I did not KNOW of any such systems.
Henri has provided the information that showed such systems DID exist.
on an Acorn system. Thereby disproving your claim:
In case you didn't know it, Fidonet is and has always been a DOS based network.
Which claim was a smoke screen.
MvdV> Sidetracking into the question if there ever were Fidonet nodesrunning
MvdV> on 8 bit systems is just a smoke screen.on an
As opposed to your claim that there never was an FTN mailer running
8-bit system, you mean?
30C is "too hot"?
I spent some weeks this last (southern hemisphere) summer enjoying 44C
day after day.
30C is just balmy.
Yep, 30C is just a pleasant day.:)
It was a nice spring day. Yesterday I returned from a three day
meeting with R24 Fidonutters. Almost the whole trip from Frankfurt
over Hannover to my place, the car thermometer indicated 33 deg C.
30C is "too hot"?
I spent some weeks this last (southern hemisphere) summer enjoying 44C
day after day.
30C is just balmy.
You can write e'e'n in stead, no special apostrophes needed ;-).
You can write Ro"el, no special apostrophes needed ;-).
At the basis school I learned that the trema means a split before the character it is placed on. So Ro"el is correct and Roe"l is
wrong.
Other point is the points on the i with a trema. There should
be three of them not two, because the letter i already has one of its
own. The trema is an extra 2 points, so in total 3. A good typewriter
does this write well, i.e. which all the three points.
That's why I am allways talking about the Point(s) on the i ;-).
The Duth "y with dots are mostly spelled as two characters "ij"
I have not the energy for to learn.
You can write UKP for it, no special sign needed ;-).
The problem with thse acronyms is that they are seldom unique.
Yes, not every one will follow, we have here someone only writing in
lc. That's a choice others should also respect.
Even a far from my bed show I have not the energy for.MvdV> Just downloading the program and typing CYRILLIC at the DOS prompt did MvdV> the trick.
<http://eveliensnel.com/bbs>
<http://evelinsnel.com/cv>
Since the first server obviously was found, can it be that the second
link was misspelled and should be:
http://eveliensnel.com/bbs/
Look here:
<http://eveliensnel.com/bbs>
you unbelievable Thomas.
And also here:
<http://evelinsnel.com/cv>
BF > Just asking, without really being interested...
I can not ask you to read only Dutch texts.
you unbelievable Thomas.
And also here:
<http://evelinsnel.com/cv>
you unbelievable Thomas.
That may be, my English is not as good as that from mr. Timmermans.
Normallyn that is a good point of view.
Yes.
But in this case I was very sure,
because I have seen that software tunning at de Acorn BBC computer of
Simon Voortman at the AcoNet Sysop Meeting in 1992 at his home in Ouddorp.ZH.NL.
And also here:
<http://evelinsnel.com/cv>
Sorry, that should be: eveliensnel.com
You can write e'e'n in stead, no special apostrophes needed ;-).
I donot care for that very few occasion.
Why should it be enclosed in quotes?
You can write Ro"el, no special apostrophes needed ;-).
And I have problems to find the right keys for that High ASCII
character I seldom use.
Besides that, on many machines it is something else for that
character, no thanks. Almost no keyboard is the same ;-(.
That's just a much better privacy lock ;-).
You opposed not te be found by Google.
At the basis school I learned that the trema means a split before
the character it is placed on. So Ro"el is correct and Roe"l is
wrong.
It was explicitely explained where the word should be splitted,
i.e. before the letter with the trema on it.
That has nothing to do with it. The trema is needed to split the pronounciation between the two vowels, you normally speach out as one sound.
Of course no one wrote the trema before a letter, but just above.
The Duth "y with dots are mostly spelled as two characters "ij"
I have never seen that at our schools.
We also learned to write the y in two letters without lifting the pen
from the paper.
I only saw that single character after I left my 5 schools I have been
on.
My Swiss made typewriter Hermes 3000 from 1975 indeed does not have.
I have not the energy for to learn.
You are also going to learn at least the 2000 characters in Chinese or Japanes, Thay etc.?
You can write UKP for it, no special sign needed ;-).
The problem with thse acronyms is that they are seldom unique.
Every body will understand the term: this costs UKP 2.000,00
You can not ask everyone to learn everything.
According to the Weather buro the minimum temerature was -0.1 deg C
and the max was 5.2 deg C
If there is something in my blood it is ethylene-glycol, as not all
rooms were heated.
Your turn. ;)
I know when and where I was born. I am not nosy enough to spend time to find out what the weather was then and there.
Then you did not read the right links:
http://www.eveliensnel.com/bbs/bulletin/bull_3.html
http://www.eveliensnel.com/bbs/bulletin/bull_5.html
http://www.eveliensnel.com/bbs/bulletin/bull_6.html
These 3 tell you the whole story.
From writing FTS1 software PC systems who did not keep to the official standard en he had to bypass that with his self written software
to exhange mail with FidoNet nodes. I think that is much enough proof
of it.
The point was you did not know about the existence of 8 bit fido
systems.
Then you did not read the right links:
http://www.eveliensnel.com/bbs/bulletin/bull_3.html
http://www.eveliensnel.com/bbs/bulletin/bull_5.html
http://www.eveliensnel.com/bbs/bulletin/bull_6.html
These 3 tell you the whole story.
From writing FTS1 software PC systems who did not keep to the official HD>> standard en he had to bypass that with his self written software
to exhange mail with FidoNet nodes. I think that is much enough proof
of it.
It was a nice spring day. Yesterday I returned from a three day
meeting with R24 Fidonutters. Almost the whole trip from Frankfurt
over Hannover to my place, the car thermometer indicated 33 deg C.
I was born 52.071857 N 4.272893 E near the end of the year.
According to the Weather buro the minimum temerature was -0.1 deg C
and the max was 5.2 deg C
If there is something in my blood it is ethylene-glycol, as not all
rooms were heated.
Your turn. ;)
I was born 52.071857 N 4.272893 E near the end of the year.
According to the Weather buro the minimum temerature was -0.1 deg C
and the max was 5.2 deg C
I was born 52.071857 N 4.272893 E near the end of the year.
Yeah, right. That would surely increase the number of contributions.
At this moment I donot like the UTF 8 circus.
So if contributing FidoNews is restricted to UTF8 only, it will sure decrease your input.
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