• Commander-In-Chief

    From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to All on Saturday, February 02, 2019 03:04:00
    Hello Everybody,

    Anybody watch Star Trek? Every Captain of a starship has to obey
    Federation law. Or at least recite the Captain's Oath, swearing to
    do so. But what happens if the Captain goes nuts and gives an
    illegal order? What then? Is the crew obliged to follow and do
    as the good Captain has ordered?

    "That's civilian law, not military law. Military law is enforced by
    all personnel. On a starship, if the Captain says, "I feel like bombing
    this planet from orbit, charge weapons.", their number one can say
    "Captain, you're nuts, I'm relieving you of command as per [insert
    directive]. We aren't bombing this planet." The captain is then
    detained by the crew and the planet is not bombed. Personally, I think
    it would make a lot more sense if every ship computer had protocols
    preventing it from breaking the general orders, but that would require
    the Federation to do something sensible." ~Star Trek fan

    As you know, the term Commander-in-Chief is a military term, or
    designation. He/she is the chief officer, with everybody else being
    under his/her command.

    Although the Congress has the right to impeach and remove a
    president from office, that is a political decision. The military
    does not have to listen to anytning the Congress says or does.

    If a president decides to declare a state of emergency, he/she
    can do so on his/her own authority. If a president decides to
    declare martial law, he/she can do so on his/her own authority.
    If a president decides to suspend elections, he/she can do so
    on his/her own authority.

    With no elections, what is keeping a president from remaining
    president for life?

    There is the 25th amendment, which allows the vice president
    and a majority of the cabinet to stage a coup d'etat, thus removing
    a president from office. But what kind of a foolish president
    would allow that sort of thing to happen?

    The Special Counsel is still conducting his investigation as to
    whether Donald Trump is guilty of anything. Maybe the president
    is a Russian agent, and doing the work of Vladimir Putin. I can
    only guess, the same as everybody else.

    What if the Special Counsel's report shows that Donald Trump
    is guilty as sin? Since he is president, he cannot be indicted.
    Since he is commander-in-chief, he is not obliged to listen to
    anything the Congress says or does. Well, he might choose to
    do like Bill Clinton and allow the House to impeach him, and
    the Senate to try him on whatever charges the House decides
    to charge him with. But there is nothing that says he has to
    leave. Even if convicted on all counts by the Senate.

    Since Mike Pence is inept, he will choose to do nothing. Much
    better to allow Donald Trump to remain in office. Like, forever.
    Or at least long enough for Trump's 12-year-old son to take over.

    Oh, Mike Pence is making me (and everybody else) pray.
    Not just Christians, but also Muslims, Jews, and Atheists.

    Remember the Prime Directive. Every Starfleet officer, both
    commissioned and non-commissioned, are obliged to protect, not
    to destroy ...

    --Lee

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    Nobody Beats Our Meat

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Lee Lofaso on Saturday, February 02, 2019 10:25:01
    Anybody watch Star Trek? Every Captain of a starship has to obey Federation law. Or at least recite the Captain's Oath, swearing to
    do so. But what happens if the Captain goes nuts and gives an
    illegal order? What then? Is the crew obliged to follow and do
    as the good Captain has ordered?

    Then you have some paper pusher come in known as a Commodore where as they claim to know everything, but when put to the test, they fail miserably.

    As you know, the term Commander-in-Chief is a military term, or designation. He/she is the chief officer, with everybody else being
    under his/her command.

    You also didn't have crew members lurking around thinking up ways to be deceitful, to do so would of been mutinous. (unless it's the alternate universe) That would get you a court-martial as well as being thrown into the brig, at least until the ship reached a star base.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Gregory Deyss on Monday, February 04, 2019 18:39:25
    Hello Greg,

    Anybody watch Star Trek? Every Captain of a starship has to obey
    Federation law. Or at least recite the Captain's Oath, swearing to
    do so. But what happens if the Captain goes nuts and gives an
    illegal order? What then? Is the crew obliged to follow and do
    as the good Captain has ordered?

    Then you have some paper pusher come in known as a Commodore where as they claim to know everything, but when put to the test, they fail miserably.

    What's that again, crewman third class Dreyss?

    As you know, the term Commander-in-Chief is a military term, or
    designation. He/she is the chief officer, with everybody else being
    under his/her command.

    You also didn't have crew members lurking around thinking up ways to be deceitful, to do so would of been mutinous. (unless it's the alternate universe) That would get you a court-martial as well as being thrown into the brig, at least until the ship reached a star base.

    Mr Spock managed to get himself promoted to Captain.
    So did Scotty. Not sure if either of them two were human.
    What did James T. Kirk do to them? Have them flogged?

    --Lee

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