• Chernobyl II

    From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to All on Wednesday, August 14, 2019 03:17:10
    Hello Everybody,

    First there was Chernobyl.
    A stationary nuclear reactor explosion.
    The entire village being evacuated.

    Then on Thurday came Nenoska.
    A flying nuclear reactor explosion.
    The entire village being evacuated.

    The times they are a-changing.

    --Lee

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Lee Lofaso on Wednesday, August 14, 2019 04:23:43
    First there was Chernobyl.
    A stationary nuclear reactor explosion.
    The entire village being evacuated.

    Then on Thurday came Nenoska.
    A flying nuclear reactor explosion.
    The entire village being evacuated.

    And the US put 2 nuclear reactors on the ocean bottom when both the Thresher and the Scorpion sank.

    Wut? Only Russians have nuclear issues? Don't think so.

    \%/@rd

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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5020/2140.2 to Lee Lofaso on Wednesday, August 14, 2019 11:34:44
    Hi, Lee Lofaso!
    I read your message from 14.08.2019 02:17

    LL> First there was Chernobyl.
    LL> A stationary nuclear reactor explosion.
    LL> The entire village being evacuated.
    LL>
    LL> Then on Thurday came Nenoska.
    LL> A flying nuclear reactor explosion.
    LL> The entire village being evacuated.
    LL>
    LL> The times they are a-changing.

    That rocket had a small isotope generator (rocket weight is very
    important, it can't afford a big one). The main environment damage was
    caused by very toxic rocket fuel.

    Bye, Lee!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Ward Dossche on Wednesday, August 14, 2019 09:47:28
    And the US put 2 nuclear reactors on the ocean bottom when both the Thresher and the Scorpion sank.

    The USSR put one on Norway's doorstep, the Komsomolets, 30 years ago. It's leaking real good now.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-48949113



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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12 to alexander koryagin on Wednesday, August 14, 2019 04:22:33
    Re: Re: Chernobyl II
    By: alexander koryagin to Lee Lofaso on Wed Aug 14 2019 11:34:44

    That rocket had a small isotope generator (rocket weight is very
    important, it can't afford a big one). The main environment damage was caused by very toxic rocket fuel.

    rocket or missle? they're two very different things... some sources say it was a new type of cruise missle...


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  • From BOB ACKLEY@1:123/140 to WARD DOSSCHE on Wednesday, August 14, 2019 16:44:56
    First there was Chernobyl.
    A stationary nuclear reactor explosion.
    The entire village being evacuated.

    Then on Thurday came Nenoska.
    A flying nuclear reactor explosion.
    The entire village being evacuated.

    And the US put 2 nuclear reactors on the ocean bottom when both the
    Thresher
    and the Scorpion sank.

    Wut? Only Russians have nuclear issues? Don't think so.

    I don't know offhand how many nuclear powered ships/submarines have sunk,
    but I'm sure it's more than two
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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to BOB ACKLEY on Wednesday, August 14, 2019 23:12:08
    I don't know offhand how many nuclear powered ships/submarines have sunk, but I'm sure it's more than two

    America lost two, but it's not just the reactors. Also the nuclear warheads both in missiles and torpedoes.

    Who knows what Russia or any other nation lost labeled 'nuclear' ...

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to mark lewis on Thursday, August 15, 2019 03:11:22
    Hello mark,

    That rocket had a small isotope generator (rocket weight is very
    important, it can't afford a big one). The main environment damage was
    caused by very toxic rocket fuel.

    rocket or missle? they're two very different things... some sources say it was a new type of cruise missle...

    Bullwinkle told me it was a plane.
    Rocky told me the plane had no wings.
    But only Natasha knew the truth.
    Boris was a horrible pilot.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to alexander koryagin on Thursday, August 15, 2019 03:11:33
    Hello Alexander,

    First there was Chernobyl.
    A stationary nuclear reactor explosion.
    The entire village being evacuated.

    Then on Thurday came Nenoska.
    A flying nuclear reactor explosion.
    The entire village being evacuated.

    The times they are a-changing.

    That rocket had a small isotope generator (rocket weight is very important, it can't afford a big one). The main environment damage was caused by very toxic rocket fuel.

    The plane needed bigger wings.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Björn Felten on Thursday, August 15, 2019 03:11:58
    Hello Bjrn,

    And the US put 2 nuclear reactors on the ocean bottom when both the
    Thresher and the Scorpion sank.

    The USSR put one on Norway's doorstep, the Komsomolets, 30 years ago. It's leaking real good now.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-48949113


    I think the USA is still ahead in that contest as to which country
    has the most nuclear submarines on ocean floor. But there is no way
    of knowing for sure, as it is kind of embarrassing for participants
    to admit who might still be playing ...

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Ward Dossche on Thursday, August 15, 2019 03:12:10
    Hello Ward,

    First there was Chernobyl.
    A stationary nuclear reactor explosion.
    The entire village being evacuated.

    Then on Thurday came Nenoska.
    A flying nuclear reactor explosion.
    The entire village being evacuated.

    And the US put 2 nuclear reactors on the ocean bottom when both the
    Thresher
    and the Scorpion sank.

    Yes. That is true. We did it not just once, but twice.
    Showing the world we really are as stupid as everybody thinks.

    Wut? Only Russians have nuclear issues? Don't think so.

    You are right.
    Americans and Russians both have nuclear submarines on ocean floor.
    That is proven fact.
    But only Russians have managed to put nuclear airplane on ocean floor. Americans wisely choose to surrender that contest.

    --Lee

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  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to Ward Dossche on Wednesday, August 14, 2019 20:21:00
    Ward Dossche wrote to BOB ACKLEY <=-

    I don't know offhand how many nuclear powered ships/submarines have sunk, but I'm sure it's more than two

    America lost two, but it's not just the reactors. Also the
    nuclear warheads both in missiles and torpedoes.

    Neither of the two American subs had nuclear (or otherwise)
    missiles on them, as they were not that type of submarine. The
    USS Scorpion *might* have had nuclear torpedoes aboard, but almost
    certainly did not. The USS Thresher certainly did not, as it was
    lost during testing and was not loaded out for any operational
    mission at the time.

    Who knows what Russia or any other nation lost labeled 'nuclear'

    Russia might know, and they might not. Very likely more was
    lost than anyone outside of Russia will ever know about.


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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Alexander Koryagin on Thursday, August 15, 2019 01:53:06
    On 08-14-19 11:34, Alexander Koryagin <=-
    spoke to Lee Lofaso about Re: Chernobyl II <=-

    Then on Thurday came Nenoska.
    A flying nuclear reactor explosion.
    The entire village being evacuated.

    The times they are a-changing.

    That rocket had a small isotope generator (rocket weight is very important, it can't afford a big one). The main environment damage was caused by very toxic rocket fuel.

    It was not a rocket, but a nuclear powered cruise missle. Big
    difference. Also, why did the radiation monitors spike to ten times
    normal levels? I wonder if you are getting censored news.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5020/2140.2 to Mark lewis on Thursday, August 15, 2019 11:40:26
    Hi, Mark Lewis!
    I read your message from 14.08.2019 03:22

    ak>> That rocket had a small isotope generator (rocket weight is
    ak>> very important, it can't afford a big one). The main
    ak>> environment damage was caused by very toxic rocket fuel.

    ml> rocket or missle? they're two very different things... some
    ml> sources say it was a new type of cruise missle...

    I read there is no much difference between them
    -----Beginning of the citation-----
    A rocket is so called on the basis of its mode of self-propulsion. A
    missile is so called on the basis of its being propelled, by a rocket
    engine or otherwise, for the purpose of doing damage, as a weapon. The
    two categories overlap considerably, since rockets are commonly used as propulsion for missiles, with or without in-flight guidance systems. Put
    an explosive warhead on top of an Atlas rocket, and launch it at an
    enemy (or practice target), the whole assembly becomes a missile. Put a Mercury capsule on top with John Glenn inside, it is a rocket but not a missile.

    https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/185955/what-is-the-difference-betwe en-a-rocket-and-a-missile
    ----- The end of the citation -----

    According this definition it was a missile propelled by a
    liquid-propellant rocket (at least during first stage of the flight).

    Bye, Mark!
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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5020/2140.2 to Dan Clough on Thursday, August 15, 2019 11:46:10
    Hi, Dan Clough!
    I read your message from 14.08.2019 19:21

    WD>> Who knows what Russia or any other nation lost labeled
    WD>> 'nuclear'
    DC>
    DC> Russia might know, and they might not. Very likely more was
    DC> lost than anyone outside of Russia will ever know about.

    During "perestroika" all such cases were declassified and everybody know
    about them.

    Bye, Dan!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5020/2140.2 to Dale Shipp on Thursday, August 15, 2019 11:51:27
    Hi, Dale Shipp!
    I read your message from 15.08.2019 00:53

    LL>> Then on Thurday came Nenoska. A flying nuclear reactor explosion.
    LL>> The entire village being evacuated.
    LL>> The times they are a-changing.

    AK>> That rocket had a small isotope generator (rocket weight is very
    AK>> important, it can't afford a big one). The main environment damage
    AK>> was caused by very toxic rocket fuel.

    DP> It was not a rocket, but a nuclear powered cruise missle. Big
    DP> difference. Also, why did the radiation monitors spike to ten times
    DP> normal levels? I wonder if you are getting censored news.

    This missile starts as a liquid-propellant rocket. The flame of the fuel
    burst was very high.

    Bye, Dale!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5020/2140.2 to Lee Lofaso on Thursday, August 15, 2019 11:59:50
    Hi, Lee Lofaso!
    I read your message from 15.08.2019 02:11


    LL>>> First there was Chernobyl. A stationary nuclear reactor
    LL>>> explosion. The entire village being evacuated.
    LL>>> Then on Thurday came Nenoska. A flying nuclear reactor explosion.
    LL>>> The entire village being evacuated.
    LL>>> The times they are a-changing.
    ak>> That rocket had a small isotope generator (rocket weight is very
    ak>> important, it can't afford a big one). The main environment damage
    ak>> was caused by very toxic rocket fuel.

    LL> The plane needed bigger wings.

    The first stage of the missile is for launching; after dispensing it the
    thing can be called a cruise missile.

    PS: Having looked at the flame of the disaster we have learned for sure
    that it indeed had the liquid first stage. ;)

    Bye, Lee!
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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5020/2140.2 to Lee Lofaso on Thursday, August 15, 2019 12:32:39
    Hi, Lee Lofaso!
    I read your message from 15.08.2019 02:12

    WD>> Wut? Only Russians have nuclear issues? Don't think so.
    LL>
    LL> You are right.
    LL> Americans and Russians both have nuclear submarines on ocean
    LL> floor. That is proven fact.
    LL> But only Russians have managed to put nuclear airplane on ocean
    LL> floor. Americans wisely choose to surrender that contest.

    Have you heard of the US bombers that lost nuclear bombs during drills?
    I heard. ;-)

    Bye, Lee!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to alexander koryagin on Thursday, August 15, 2019 13:10:03
    During "perestroika" all such cases were declassified and everybody know about them.

    Good.

    So what happened to Raoul Wallenberg ?

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Lee Lofaso on Thursday, August 15, 2019 13:30:49
    But only Russians have managed to put nuclear airplane on ocean floor. Americans wisely choose to surrender that contest.

    Instead they bombed Bikini to smithereens ... and, tempororily, had an H-bomb on the ocean floor near Spain and 3 on land contaminating soil beyond any reaonable use even 53 years later.

    For the young ones reading this, google for the "Palomares incident"

    And both the US and Russia lost a whole lot more on land and at sea, a bunch of
    it unrecoverable.

    All that and what some other nations have had happening should be enough to stop all that nuclear shit.

    \%/@rd

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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to Dale Shipp on Thursday, August 15, 2019 20:55:59
    On 15/08/2019 01:53, Dale Shipp -> Alexander Koryagin wrote:

    That rocket had a small isotope generator (rocket weight is very
    important, it can't afford a big one). The main environment damage was
    caused by very toxic rocket fuel.

    It was not a rocket, but a nuclear powered cruise missle. Big
    difference. Also, why did the radiation monitors spike to ten times normal levels? I wonder if you are getting censored news.

    Rather than you getting embellished news?

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  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to alexander koryagin on Thursday, August 15, 2019 07:45:00
    alexander koryagin wrote to Dan Clough <=-

    WD>> Who knows what Russia or any other nation lost labeled
    WD>> 'nuclear'

    DC> Russia might know, and they might not. Very likely more was
    DC> lost than anyone outside of Russia will ever know about.

    During "perestroika" all such cases were declassified and
    everybody know about them.

    Ummmmmm.... Okay. :-)



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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to alexander koryagin on Thursday, August 15, 2019 22:19:40
    Hello Alexander,

    That rocket had a small isotope generator (rocket weight is
    very important, it can't afford a big one). The main
    environment damage was caused by very toxic rocket fuel.

    rocket or missle? they're two very different things... some
    sources say it was a new type of cruise missle...

    I read there is no much difference between them
    -----Beginning of the citation-----
    A rocket is so called on the basis of its mode of self-propulsion. A missile is so called on the basis of its being propelled, by a rocket engine or otherwise, for the purpose of doing damage, as a weapon. The
    two categories overlap considerably, since rockets are commonly used as propulsion for missiles, with or without in-flight guidance systems. Put an explosive warhead on top of an Atlas rocket, and launch it at an
    enemy (or practice target), the whole assembly becomes a missile. Put a Mercury capsule on top with John Glenn inside, it is a rocket but not a missile.


    https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/185955/what-is-the-difference-betwe en-a-rocket-and-a-missile
    ----- The end of the citation -----

    According this definition it was a missile propelled by a liquid-propellant rocket (at least during first stage of the flight).

    Neil Armstrong flew on an ICBM right straight to the Moon.
    Good thing it wasn't loaded ...

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to alexander koryagin on Thursday, August 15, 2019 22:19:51
    Hello Alexander,

    Who knows what Russia or any other nation lost labeled
    'nuclear'

    Russia might know, and they might not. Very likely more was
    lost than anyone outside of Russia will ever know about.

    During "perestroika" all such cases were declassified and everybody know about them.

    Yes. That is how the world knows the Soviets faked Hitler's death,
    falsely claiming to have the charred bones of the deceased dictator.
    This also posed a significant problem for American intelligence,
    which had come upon evidence from other sources that Hitler had
    survived by moving to South America.

    However, to be honest, I really do not believe Hitler is alive.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to alexander koryagin on Thursday, August 15, 2019 22:20:03
    Hello Alexander,

    First there was Chernobyl. A stationary nuclear reactor
    explosion. The entire village being evacuated.
    Then on Thurday came Nenoska. A flying nuclear reactor explosion.
    The entire village being evacuated.
    The times they are a-changing.
    That rocket had a small isotope generator (rocket weight is very
    important, it can't afford a big one). The main environment damage
    was caused by very toxic rocket fuel.

    The plane needed bigger wings.

    The first stage of the missile is for launching; after dispensing it the thing can be called a cruise missile.

    PS: Having looked at the flame of the disaster we have learned for sure that it indeed had the liquid first stage. ;)

    It was an experimental craft of whatever name one wants to give it.
    Obviously, it did not work as planned, or expected. How much damage environmentally was done remains unknown. And how long it may take
    for cleanup.

    Accidents happen, not just in military experiments. Louisiana is
    still in recovery from an oil spill created by BPI. But since oil
    trumps seafood, drilling for oil continues onward ...

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to alexander koryagin on Thursday, August 15, 2019 22:20:28
    Hello Alexander,

    Wut? Only Russians have nuclear issues? Don't think so.

    You are right.
    Americans and Russians both have nuclear submarines on ocean
    floor. That is proven fact.
    But only Russians have managed to put nuclear airplane on ocean
    floor. Americans wisely choose to surrender that contest.

    Have you heard of the US bombers that lost nuclear bombs during drills?
    I heard. ;-)

    Just the bombs. Not the planes.

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to David Drummond on Friday, August 16, 2019 02:09:55
    Hello David,

    That rocket had a small isotope generator (rocket weight is very
    important, it can't afford a big one). The main environment damage was
    caused by very toxic rocket fuel.

    It was not a rocket, but a nuclear powered cruise missle. Big
    difference. Also, why did the radiation monitors spike to ten times
    normal levels? I wonder if you are getting censored news.

    Rather than you getting embellished news?

    What them Russkies needed was a Cajun pilot -

    http://www.corkeyfornof.com/


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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5020/2140.2 to Ward Dossche on Friday, August 16, 2019 10:20:05
    Hi, Ward Dossche!
    I read your message from 15.08.2019 12:10

    ak>> During "perestroika" all such cases were declassified and
    ak>> everybody know about them.
    WD> Good.
    WD> So what happened to Raoul Wallenberg ?

    I heard that he was arrested in 1945 in Budapest by soviet military counterintelligence service and accused of spying. In the USSR of
    30s-40s such a sentence was given to millions common innocent people,
    and Wallenberg, according to some sources, indeed was the US agent. He
    died in 1947 of heart attack in prison.

    IMHO, it is hardly possible to imagine any reason why they hide the
    truth about Wallenberg after Stalin regime repressions had been
    disclosed and condemned.

    Bye, Ward!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5020/2140.2 to Dan Clough on Friday, August 16, 2019 10:28:50
    Hi, Dan Clough!
    I read your message from 15.08.2019 06:45

    WD>>> Who knows what Russia or any other nation lost labeled
    WD>>> 'nuclear'
    DC>> Russia might know, and they might not. Very likely more was
    DC>> lost than anyone outside of Russia will ever know about.
    ak>> During "perestroika" all such cases were declassified and
    ak>> everybody know about them.

    DC> Ummmmmm.... Okay. :-)

    Yeah, rumors about communists and KGB agents in Yeltsin government were exaggerated. It is very hardly possible that those people who renamed Leningrad could hide communist regime sins and flops. There is no reason
    for that.

    Bye, Dan!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5020/2140.2 to Lee Lofaso on Friday, August 16, 2019 10:40:13
    Hi, Lee Lofaso!
    I read your message from 15.08.2019 21:19

    WD>>>> Who knows what Russia or any other nation lost
    WD>>>> labeled 'nuclear'

    DC>>> Russia might know, and they might not. Very likely
    DC>>> more was lost than anyone outside of Russia will ever
    DC>>> know about.
    ak>> During "perestroika" all such cases were declassified and
    ak>> everybody know about them.

    LL> Yes. That is how the world knows the Soviets faked Hitler's
    LL> death, falsely claiming to have the charred bones of the
    LL> deceased dictator.

    They faked? You mean Stalin spared his life and let him go?

    LL> This also posed a significant problem for
    LL> American intelligence, which had come upon evidence from other
    LL> sources that Hitler had survived by moving to South America.

    LL> However, to be honest, I really do not believe Hitler is alive.

    It is useless to fight with such rumors. There are many of them, some
    even told us that Nazi now hide themselves under antarctic ice. ;-)

    Bye, Lee!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From alexander koryagin@2:5020/2140.2 to Lee Lofaso on Friday, August 16, 2019 10:54:46
    Hi, Lee Lofaso!
    I read your message from 15.08.2019 21:20

    WD>>>> Wut? Only Russians have nuclear issues? Don't think
    WD>>>> so.
    LL>>> You are right.
    LL>>> Americans and Russians both have nuclear submarines on
    LL>>> ocean floor. That is proven fact.
    LL>>> But only Russians have managed to put nuclear airplane
    LL>>> on ocean floor. Americans wisely choose to surrender
    LL>>> that contest.
    LL>
    ak>> Have you heard of the US bombers that lost nuclear bombs
    ak>> during drills? I heard. ;-)

    LL> Just the bombs. Not the planes.

    If I were a Spanish would have preferred their losing empty planes, not
    real hydrogen bombs. ;=)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1966_Palomares_B-52_crash

    Bye, Lee!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to alexander koryagin on Friday, August 16, 2019 11:08:38
    Alexander,

    So what happened to Raoul Wallenberg ?

    I heard that he was arrested in 1945 in Budapest by soviet military counterintelligence service and accused of spying. In the USSR of
    30s-40s such a sentence was given to millions common innocent people,
    and Wallenberg, according to some sources, indeed was the US agent. He
    died in 1947 of heart attack in prison.

    Has this ever been disclosed with reports, autopsy reports? What happened to the remains? Has Russia appologized for killing one of the greatest humanitarians ever?

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to alexander koryagin on Friday, August 16, 2019 11:10:38
    Alexander,

    It is useless to fight with such rumors. There are many of them, some
    even told us that Nazi now hide themselves under antarctic ice. ;-)

    In which case global warming is finally going to expose the truth.

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  • From Alexander Koryagin@2:221/6 to Ward Dossche on Saturday, August 17, 2019 20:44:14
    Hi, Ward Dossche!
    I read your message from 16.08.2019 10:08

    So what happened to Raoul Wallenberg ?
    I heard that he was arrested in 1945 in Budapest by soviet
    military counterintelligence service and accused of spying.
    In the USSR of 30s-40s such a sentence was given to
    millions common innocent people, and Wallenberg, according
    to some sources, indeed was the US agent. He died in 1947
    of heart attack in prison.

    Has this ever been disclosed with reports, autopsy reports?
    What happened to the remains? Has Russia appologized for
    killing one of the greatest humanitarians ever?

    Wallenberg is considered as a greatest humanitarian now. But very likely the soviet counterintelligence service didn't know much about this man and his humanitarian activity, and he was not treated as "a greatest humanitarian". Very likely it is the reason why there is no many documents of his detention and death. If they existed I am sure they would be declassified.

    In 1991-2000 a joint Russia-Sweden working group was set up to clarify his destiny. The final report is on the site of the Russian foreign affairs ministry: http://www.mid.ru/web/guest/maps/se/-/asset_publisher/Nr26tJIotl7z/content/id/5 97240
    The document it is in Russian, but surely there is the Swedish version of it, it is better than Wikipedia rumors.

    It said that the rumors that Wallenberg was alive after 1947 have no ground. Wallenberg either died himself or was executed by shooting without trial and all direct documents on the issue were destroyed.

    Should the new Russia authority take responsibility for all numerous Stalin crimes is the issue for discussion. Russia was as Georgia, for instance, one of
    the USSR republics. Stalin and Beria were Georgians, BTW. Should Georgia now apologize for their crimes?

    But the destiny of Wallenberg is now clear.

    Bye, Ward!
    Alexander Koryagin
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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to alexander koryagin on Saturday, August 17, 2019 22:40:40
    Hello Alexander,

    Who knows what Russia or any other nation lost
    labeled 'nuclear'

    Russia might know, and they might not. Very likely
    more was lost than anyone outside of Russia will ever
    know about.
    During "perestroika" all such cases were declassified and
    everybody know about them.

    Yes. That is how the world knows the Soviets faked Hitler's
    death, falsely claiming to have the charred bones of the
    deceased dictator.

    They faked? You mean Stalin spared his life and let him go?

    The Company will neither confirm nor deny ...

    This also posed a significant problem for
    American intelligence, which had come upon evidence from other
    sources that Hitler had survived by moving to South America.

    However, to be honest, I really do not believe Hitler is alive.

    It is useless to fight with such rumors. There are many of them, some
    even told us that Nazi now hide themselves under antarctic ice. ;-)

    Das ist true! With help from ancient astronauts!
    Erich von Dniken told me so!

    --Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to alexander koryagin on Saturday, August 17, 2019 22:40:52
    Hello Alexander,

    Wut? Only Russians have nuclear issues? Don't think
    so.
    You are right.
    Americans and Russians both have nuclear submarines on
    ocean floor. That is proven fact.
    But only Russians have managed to put nuclear airplane
    on ocean floor. Americans wisely choose to surrender
    that contest.

    Have you heard of the US bombers that lost nuclear bombs
    during drills? I heard. ;-)

    Just the bombs. Not the planes.

    If I were a Spanish would have preferred their losing empty planes, not real hydrogen bombs. ;=)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1966_Palomares_B-52_crash


    If I were an Eskimo in Greenland I would have preferred their losing
    whales, rather than crashing B-52 bombers. Or maybe it was the whales
    that caused the crash ...

    --Lee

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    Your Hole Is Our Goal

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