I made an attempt to create a more up to date Fidonet homepage. I actually created this almost a year ago with the intention of replacing the current fidonet.org page but the move of the domain never seems to happen and I got tired of the site just waiting.
Enjoy and please report any factual errors and/or suggestions.
The first problem is that by registering yet another Fidonet domain,
I made an attempt to create a more up to date Fidonet homepage. I
actually created this almost a year ago with the intention of replacing the current fidonet.org page but the move of the domain never seems to happen and I got tired of the site just waiting.
Enjoy and please report any factual errors and/or suggestions.
Thanks.
--- NiKom v2.5.0
* Origin: Delta City (deltacity.se, Vallentuna, Sweden) (2:201/120.0)
While I appreciate the effort, and understand that the current fidonet.org website may be obsolete - There are two big problems I see with this.
I made an attempt to create a more up to date Fidonet homepage. I actually created this almost a year ago with the intention of replacing the current fidonet.org page but the move of the domain never seems to happen and I got tired of the site just waiting.
Enjoy and please report any factual errors and/or suggestions.
yet it took me over 2 months
to track down CURRENT information on Fidonet to try and join.
The first problem is that by registering yet another Fidonet domain,
AFAIK, this is supposed to be a temporary domain, awaiting the
resolve of the fidonet.org problem -- whatever that may be.
As far as the fidonet.org problem goes, maybe you can enlighten us
in general and Joacim in particular? Who the hell is sitting on this domain and refuses to render it? What does it take to make him give
it up?
yet it took me over 2 months
to track down CURRENT information on Fidonet to try and join.
Well, don't you think that you should have started with our
magazine, the one that is posted each week in this very echo?
Many years back I looked after the Fidonet Philippines site which I have revived for Historical purposes only since Zone 6 is gone.
Bj”rn Felten wrote to Robert Stinnett <=-
yet it took me over 2 months
to track down CURRENT information on Fidonet to try and join.
Well, don't you think that you should have started with our
magazine, the one that is posted each week in this very echo?
Joacim Melin wrote to Björn Felten <=-
When I got my nodenumber from you a couple of years ago it took
me days to figure out who to contact and how. My goals with
fidonet.io was to explain how to make this easier because there
is no way in hell a Fidonet novice will understand that he or she
should somehow get access to the Fidonews echo and take it from
there. It's like the attitude is "If you want it you have to work
for it and figure it out yourself" and I find that very
unfortunate.
yet it took me over 2 months
to track down CURRENT information on Fidonet to try and join.
Well, don't you think that you should have started with our magazine, the one that is posted each week in this very echo?
yet it took me over 2 months
If someone from the real world wants to find out something about
fidonet, what does he do? Look for an echo called fidonews? No, he
googles for "fidonet".
yet it took me over 2 months
If someone from the real world wants to find out something about fidonet, what does he do? Look for an echo called fidonews? No, he googles for "fidonet".
For more than two months?
No. It's obscure and not even REMOTELY obvious to a newcomer that
they should look in there.
Even then, if they did, is there any
useful information in the magazine that would help a new
prospective Sysop get a node number?
yet it took me over 2 months
If someone from the real world wants to find out something about
fidonet, what does he do? Look for an echo called fidonews? No,
he googles for "fidonet".
For more than two months?
I agree with this completely. I was a Fidonet sysop back in the
early 90's, and left in 96 when I had to move and the internet was
taking over anyway. Recently came back, and although I certainly remembered the basics of how Fido works, I had some minor trouble contacting my prospective new NC because of simple things like the
proper addressing syntax of a Netmail. Is it
"first.last@<address>", or is it "first last@<address>", or.... ?
yet it took me over 2 months
If someone from the real world wants to find out something about
fidonet, what does he do? Look for an echo called fidonews? No, he
googles for "fidonet".
For more than two months?
yet it took me over 2 monthsWell, don't you think that you should have started with our
to track down CURRENT information on Fidonet to try and join.
magazine, the one that is posted each week in this very echo?
I assume that he has only access to this echo
I assume that he has only access to this echo
The echo is just an added bonus provided to you by the editor. The
actual magazine is distributed as a file by all coordinators that
abide to P4.
Do you really believe anyone actually reads the file? :-D
Do you really believe anyone actually reads the file? :-D
If not, why do you keep on distributing them?
But yes, I not only think, but I know that a lot of people read the
files.
Well, don't you think that you should have started with our magazine, the one that is posted each week in this very echo?
When I got my nodenumber from you a couple of years ago it took me days to figure out who to contact and how. My goals with fidonet.io was to explain how to make this easier because there is no way in hell a Fidonet novice will understand that he or she should somehow get access to the Fidonews echo and take it from there. It's like the attitude is "If you want it you have to work for it and figure it out yourself" and I find that very unfortunate.
I fully support this new website and screw the ass-draggers who
want to keep Fidonet back in the 20th century.
Well, maybe you haven't read any recent (as in the latest 500 or so) issue properly? You can for instance try fidonews.eu from where opens up a plethora of fidonet echoes to read before you start asking advice about how to go Full Fidonet Node.
Bj”rn Felten wrote to Dan Clough <=-
No. It's obscure and not even REMOTELY obvious to a newcomer that
they should look in there.
On top of the results from Google (for me -- YMMV) is the old,
defunct fidonet.org site. Even there it's a link to the likewise
defunct fidonews.org site. Doesn't that make you curious if you
are really into Fidonet? What better place to get information
about something than a dedicated magazine?
Even then, if they did, is there any
useful information in the magazine that would help a new
prospective Sysop get a node number?
Well, maybe you haven't read any recent (as in the latest 500
or so) issue properly? You can for instance try fidonews.eu from
where opens up a plethora of fidonet echoes to read before you
start asking advice about how to go Full Fidonet Node.
But rather than complaining, why don't you write an article
about it yourself? Don't always expect other people to do things
for you...
mark lewis wrote to Dan Clough <=-
I agree with this completely. I was a Fidonet sysop back in the
early 90's, and left in 96 when I had to move and the internet was
taking over anyway. Recently came back, and although I certainly remembered the basics of how Fido works, I had some minor trouble contacting my prospective new NC because of simple things like the
proper addressing syntax of a Netmail. Is it
"first.last@<address>", or is it "first last@<address>", or.... ?
to be fair, this is specifically related to the software being
used... most traditional FTN software has separate name and
address fields...
To: some user Addr: 1:0/0
sometimes that "Addr:" field is not even labeled... it is just
another field to be filled in manually or automatically after the
software has done a nodelist lookup on the name in the "To:"
field... it should also be noted that that traditional FTN
software only does FTN addressing and doesn't have to parse and
analyze the target address to determine if it is FTN, email, QWK
or some other supported-by-that-software private system-to-system
mail format...
Michiel van der Vlist wrote to Bj”rn Felten <=-
If someone from the real world wants to find out something about
fidonet, what does he do? Look for an echo called fidonews? No,
he googles for "fidonet".
For more than two months?
A lot has changed in Fidonet, but there is one constant factor.
We still use a nodelist. So.... If I had been away for no matter
how long and wanted to return and needed to find the nearest NC,
I would google for "fidonet nodelist".
Should not take two month...
This isn't 1997 -- it's 2019. I do not have time to spend every waking freeanyone
moment looking for information in a sea of dead links. Nor do I, or
else, have time to go "searching" for an elusive newsletter that might
or might
not contain information on a website that I don't even know exists.
Just for curiosity, I browsed to fidonews.eu, and
was presented with a "Login first" page. Most people won't do
that.
Re: www.fidonet.io
By: Björn Felten to Dan Clough on Sun Mar 10 2019 03:31 pm
Well, maybe you haven't read any recent (as in the latest 500 or so)
issue properly? You can for instance try fidonews.eu from where opens up a
plethora of fidonet echoes to read before you start asking advice about how
to go Full Fidonet Node.
And how in the HELL is someone who is new to Fidonet supposed to know
this and
find it?
This isn't 1997 -- it's 2019. I do not have time to spend every
waking free
moment looking for information in a sea of dead links. Nor do I, or anyone
else, have time to go "searching" for an elusive newsletter that
might or might
not contain information on a website that I don't even know exists.
I tried to help, do some good for the network,
and I will continue to do so, with or without your support.
Bj”rn Felten wrote to Dan Clough <=-
Just for curiosity, I browsed to fidonews.eu, and
was presented with a "Login first" page. Most people won't do
that.
Of course they do not. That's why there is a "Check it out
anonymously" link at the top left. What most people of yours
would not want that, if you are *really* interested in fidonet?
That link opens up a Usenet client, since it's a "news:<blah>"
The odds of that person knowing how to use/navigate a
Usenet client is pretty much ZERO. Do you seriously expect them
to jump through all those hoops?
sometimes that "Addr:" field is not even labeled... it is just
another field to be filled in manually or automatically after the
software has done a nodelist lookup on the name in the "To:" field...
it should also be noted that that traditional FTN software only does
FTN addressing and doesn't have to parse and analyze the target
address to determine if it is FTN, email, QWK or some other
supported-by-that-software private system-to-system mail format...
OK, I get that there is some variation in the mechanics of things.
I think what I was meaning there above was that there could be a document/instruction that spells that kind of thing out, even give examples of how to Netmail your prospective NC with some of the
more commonly used software. A "How to Join Fidonet" document
with clear/concise directions, without extra fluff. It could be
available on any/all FidoNet BBS's, and <GASP> could even be a
regular feature in the FidoNews magazine!
I tried to help, do some good for the network, and I will continue to do so, with or without your support.
That link opens up a Usenet client, since it's a "news:<blah>"
Since it starts with "www",
I opened a browser window and typed "fidonet.io" -- full page opens
with all details as advertised.
mark lewis wrote to Dan Clough <=-
sometimes that "Addr:" field is not even labeled... it is just
another field to be filled in manually or automatically after the
software has done a nodelist lookup on the name in the "To:" field...
it should also be noted that that traditional FTN software only does
FTN addressing and doesn't have to parse and analyze the target
address to determine if it is FTN, email, QWK or some other
supported-by-that-software private system-to-system mail format...
OK, I get that there is some variation in the mechanics of things.
yeah, that was my main point... as a seasoned FTNer, i had to
learn new methods of addressing when looking at and working with
other software that does FTN is a different manner than
traditional FTN does... it was a huge eye opener... an eye opener
that some other well intentioned FTNers could use...
I think what I was meaning there above was that there could be a document/instruction that spells that kind of thing out, even give examples of how to Netmail your prospective NC with some of the
more commonly used software. A "How to Join Fidonet" document
with clear/concise directions, without extra fluff. It could be
available on any/all FidoNet BBS's, and <GASP> could even be a
regular feature in the FidoNews magazine!
i'm going to try to get my old fidonet related pages back
operational with the new server over here... it should be pretty
easy but i haven't tried yet... i don't know how they compare
with what folks are suggesting, though... i am/was quite happy
with them when i developed them but then i got sidetracked with
other things and real life... really, the only ones that needed
updating would be the links to other zones/regions/nets pages
when they change and the IC/ZC and RC lists... i think i had RC
lists but maybe not... i certainly remember the joy when i
finally got a clickable map working... that was a major PITA to
define the "click regions" of the image... especially to do it
without expending $$$ for a job that would be done only once or
maybe twice...
mark lewis wrote to Joacim Melin <=-
I tried to help, do some good for the network, and I will continue to do so, with or without your support.
ya done good, joacim! you have my support :)
Terry,
Many years back I looked after the Fidonet Philippines site which I have TR>> revived for Historical purposes only since Zone 6 is gone.
If enough nodes would pop-up wonderful things might be possible ...
Are you the onlyone left or are there other folks hiding in the
woodwork ?
\%/@rd
--- D'Bridge 3.99 SR41
* Origin: Ceci n'est pas un courriel (2:292/854)
No. It's obscure and not even REMOTELY obvious to a newcomer that
they should look in there.
On top of the results from Google (for me -- YMMV) is the old,
defunct fidonet.org site. Even there it's a link to the likewise
defunct fidonews.org site. Doesn't that make you curious if you are
really into Fidonet? What better place to get information about
something than a dedicated magazine?
Even then, if they did, is there any
useful information in the magazine that would help a new
prospective Sysop get a node number?
Well, maybe you haven't read any recent (as in the latest 500 or so)
issue properly? You can for instance try fidonews.eu from where
opens up a plethora of fidonet echoes to read before you start
asking advice about how to go Full Fidonet Node.
But rather than complaining, why don't you write an article about it yourself? Don't always expect other people to do things for you...
..
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Björn Felten wrote to Robert Stinnett <=-
Unless of course you expect to have it all served on a silver
platter, ready to go on an .msi or .msp installer file.
Unless of course you expect to have it all served on a silver platter, ready
to go on an .msi or .msp installer file.
I opened a browser window and typed "fidonet.io" -- full page opens
with all details as advertised.
that's the new site that joacim created :)
Unless of course you expect to have it all served on a silver
platter, ready to go on an .msi or .msp installer file.
And ... uh ... why not? Download, run the installer, enter your node
info and
everything comes up working. I fail to see how that would be a bad thing.
I tried to help, do some good for the network, and I will continue to do so, with or without your support.
And that "About Joining Fidonet" page is clear: "You wanna join Fidonet? We'd
rather you just go away, but if you insist go chase down this, search
for that,
and try not to bother us too much, 'K?"
All they need to do, if the bulletins are what they want, is to
*CLICK* on (and yes, if you are using a modern FTN editor, you can click on a link) e.g. the link in my origin line.
It's not. Not at all. But we are discussing how to make the new generations to discover fidonet.
They don't want bulletins, they want to join Fidonet.
Nah, I think that you and several others are on a dead end if you try to attract new users to fidonet with 30yo BBS programs. Sorry...
nathanael culver wrote to Bj”rn Felten <=-
Unless of course you expect to have it all served on a silver
platter, ready to go on an .msi or .msp installer file.
And ... uh ... why not? Download, run the installer, enter your
node info and everything comes up working. I fail to see how that
would be a bad thing.
Bj”rn Felten wrote to nathanael culver <=-
They don't want bulletins, they want to join Fidonet.
Why? If not for the bulletins, then what?
The file areas? http://eljaco.se/FILES/
On line games? How can ANSI-only games compete with WoW and
other modern games?
Nah, I think that you and several others are on a dead end if
you try to attract new users to fidonet with 30yo BBS programs.
Sorry...
It isn't a bad thing. It's just that Beorn wouldn't feel like he
had any control over that, and therefore is against it. ...
Nah, I think that you and several others are on a dead end if you try to attract new users to fidonet with 30yo BBS programs. Sorry...
Huh? I'm a new fidonet user.
Ignore him and let's keep moving Fidonet forward.
Björn Felten wrote to nathanael culver <=-
Nah, I think that you and several others are on a dead end if you
try to attract new users to fidonet with 30yo BBS programs. Sorry...
Fidonet?And that "About Joining Fidonet" page is clear: "You wanna join
We'd
rather you just go away, but if you insist go chase down this, search for that,
and try not to bother us too much, 'K?"
Yes Nathanael, that is a total disaster!
And that "About Joining Fidonet" page is clear: "You wanna join Fidonet?
We'd
rather you just go away, but if you insist go chase down this, search
for that,
and try not to bother us too much, 'K?"
Yes Nathanael, that is a total disaster!
The simple fact, that it is so easy to join fidonet when it comes to the original idea, the bulletins, is even to someone that's been connected to the fidonet BBS network for more than three decades like me, totally incomprehensible.
Alas, we have all those self-appointed powers that will struggle to their death before they give up their private little fiefdoms. But the more bulletin users we can attract, the sooner we can make fidonet great again. At least that's what I believe.
They don't want bulletins, they want to join Fidonet.
Why? If not for the bulletins, then what?
The file areas? http://eljaco.se/FILES/
On line games? How can ANSI-only games compete with WoW and other modern games?
Nah, I think that you and several others are on a dead end if you try to attract new users to fidonet with 30yo BBS programs. Sorry...
All they need to do, if the bulletins are what they want, is toclick
*CLICK* on (and yes, if you are using a modern FTN editor, you can
on a link) e.g. the link in my origin line.
They don't want bulletins, they want to join Fidonet.
And don't you already have to be connected to Fidonet to see your origin line?
I think that's part of the point the others are making here: you have a totally different prospective audience in mind.
For you it's folks already familiar with the BBS scene and have a working acquaintance with its vocabulary and technology. For them it's people who have heard of FidoNet, but maybe not a BBS, and have no familiarity with the BBS scene.
I know you keep insisting FidoNet is and always has been a BBS network,but
"because the Policy says so," is not a good argument.
Fidonet?And that "About Joining Fidonet" page is clear: "You wanna join
We'd
rather you just go away, but if you insist go chase down this, search
for that,
and try not to bother us too much, 'K?"
Yes Nathanael, that is a total disaster!
15 years ago when I set up my BBS (which was formerly a point) I had the only system in what used to be Net 285 (Omaha NE area), but there were probably 20 systems still listed in the nodelist. I think what happened in that case is that the NC dropped out of Fidonet and didn't bother to find someone else to take over or tell anybody upstream
On line games? How can ANSI-only games compete with WoW and other modern
games?
You would be surprised.
They don't want bulletins, they want to join Fidonet.
Why? If not for the bulletins, then what?
The file areas? http://eljaco.se/FILES/
On line games? How can ANSI-only games compete with WoW and
other modern games?
Nah, I think that you and several others are on a dead end if
you try to attract new users to fidonet with 30yo BBS programs.
Sorry...
Will you please moderate yourself, and shut up and go away?
You're babbling incoherently, and don't even realize it.
Even though it is, and always has been, a BBS network.
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