• I'm leaving Fidonews

    From Joacim Melin@2:201/120 to All on Wednesday, March 13, 2019 06:34:17
    After the moderator of this echo sent me a very nasty netmail accusing me of various things, I have decided to give up this echo. I am leaving it effective immediatly and will remove the feed from my BBS later today, CET.

    To you who supported me and fidonet.io: thank you. I mean it.

    To you who didn't, I have nothing to say.

    Good luck.


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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Joacim Melin on Wednesday, March 13, 2019 07:46:03
    After the moderator of this echo sent me a very nasty netmail accusing
    me of various things,

    What nasty things? I only asked you why you are using a false name (Joacim and not your real name Joakim) and why your phone number at 2:201/120 is the number to a company exchange (as can be seen from the double zero at the end) where there is no modem answering. That's part of my job as your RC when your NC may have missed it.

    Sorry if I offended you, but at least I didn't "moderate" you in the way that e.g. common mark seems to expect, openly in the echo. Until now, that is...



    ..

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Robert Stinnett on Wednesday, March 13, 2019 19:25:43
    Hello Robert,

    What nasty things? I only asked you why you are using a false name
    (Joacim and not your real name Joakim) and why your phone number at

    What bullshit is this? Don't you have anything to do with your miserable life than jump on people? You have done nothing but attack, attack, attack. You seem to think you OWN this network, well buddy you don't.

    Feel free to change your name to Screamin' Jesus.
    Our editor is not stopping you. Nobody else is, either.
    Certainly not me. So go ahead. Do it! Make my day!
    Show Fidonet as Screamin' Jesus you own the world!

    Your days of dictating to people what is going to happen and when are
    over.

    Quit pouting and do it! Go ahead! You are Screamin' Jesus!
    Or just another pussy, shooting his mouth off having nothing
    better to do ...

    You can post whatever bullshit you want, whenever you want, but the rest
    of
    us are moving forward and doing so at lightning speed. You are
    contributing
    zero and in this case are chasing away the very people who want to try and breath new life into this decaying network.

    Instead of ranting in an echo that few people bother reading, it
    would be much more productive for Screamin' Jesus to send in his own contributions to the editor of the Fidonews newsletter. All it would
    take is a bit of his time, the guidelines for doing so included in
    every edition. So what is stopping him? Only Screamin' Jesus himself.

    I don't care who you are, what you did or how often you did it. So you
    can
    throw your moderator badge around until the cows come home. Only a dictator needs to throw around his imaginary powers to begin with.

    Dictators and dictator wannabes have to strut their stuff in order
    make themselves appear to be tough. But they are all just talking to themselves, with few (if anybody) listening.

    A good moderator is rarely, if ever, seen or heard from in public.
    He/she is there to help facilitate, not to hinder, discussion.
    A far cry from what dictators and dictator wannabes do or want to do.

    You are just sad, pathetic and just so far out of touch with reality it isn't funny.

    And also the most successful editor the Fidonews has ever had.
    A true gift for the entire Fidonet community. Including Screamin'
    Jesus.

    --Lee

    --
    Laying Pipe Since '88

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  • From Robert Stinnett@1:290/10 to Joacim Melin on Wednesday, March 13, 2019 11:27:54
    Re: I'm leaving Fidonews
    By: Joacim Melin to All on Wed Mar 13 2019 06:34 am

    After the moderator of this echo sent me a very nasty netmail accusing me of various things, I have decided to give up this echo. I am leaving it effective immediatly and will remove the feed from my BBS later today, CET.

    Great. So we lose another guy who is eager to participate and move things forward because some asshole thinks he is the supreme lord ruler.


    To you who supported me and fidonet.io: thank you. I mean it.

    The battle has only just yet started. I've seen more movement in modernizing this network than I ever had. Your website is the beginning, and it won't be the end!
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Linux
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  • From Robert Stinnett@1:290/10 to Björn Felten on Wednesday, March 13, 2019 11:34:55
    Re: I'm leaving Fidonews
    By: Bjrn Felten to Joacim Melin on Wed Mar 13 2019 07:46 am

    What nasty things? I only asked you why you are using a false name (Joacim and not your real name Joakim) and why your phone number at

    What bullshit is this? Don't you have anything to do with your miserable life than jump on people? You have done nothing but attack, attack, attack. You seem to think you OWN this network, well buddy you don't.

    Your days of dictating to people what is going to happen and when are over.
    You can post whatever bullshit you want, whenever you want, but the rest of us are moving forward and doing so at lightning speed. You are contributing zero and in this case are chasing away the very people who want to try and breath new life into this decaying network.

    I don't care who you are, what you did or how often you did it. So you can throw your moderator badge around until the cows come home. Only a dictator needs to throw around his imaginary powers to begin with.

    You are just sad, pathetic and just so far out of touch with reality it isn't funny.
    --- SBBSecho 3.06-Linux
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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to BOB ACKLEY on Wednesday, March 13, 2019 23:09:26

    ... it's nearly impossible for a moderator to control his or
    her echo because feed-cuts just won't work any more

    We kow that already from 2002 when Roy Witt tried to remove me from some echo.

    \%/@rd

    --- D'Bridge 3.99 SR41
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  • From BOB ACKLEY@1:123/140 to ROBERT STINNETT on Wednesday, March 13, 2019 16:30:58
    Re: I'm leaving Fidonews
    By: Bjrn Felten to Joacim Melin on Wed Mar 13 2019 07:46 am

    What nasty things? I only asked you why you are using a false name (Joacim and not your real name Joakim) and why your phone number at

    What bullshit is this? Don't you have anything to do with your
    miserable life
    than jump on people? You have done nothing but attack, attack, attack.
    You
    seem to think you OWN this network, well buddy you don't.

    Actually, he does. This echo, anyway.

    That's the problem I have with anybody being able to connect with Fidonet
    from anyplace, it's nearly impossible for a moderator to control his or
    her echo because feed-cuts just won't work any more
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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Joacim Melin on Thursday, March 14, 2019 16:01:31
    Hello Joacim,

    After the moderator of this echo sent me a very nasty netmail accusing me
    of
    various things,

    Prove it.

    Post it here, publicly, in this echo, for all to read.

    Really quite simple to do.

    Assuming you really did receive such a netmail.

    I have decided to give up this echo.

    Make an accusation and run away? How sporting.

    But that's okay. Since you have no such netmail, or any
    evidence to support your wild claim, we can all ignore the
    taunt, as we would a small child for saying such things.

    The effort you have shown to make fidonet a better place for all,
    as well as inviting others to join, is commendable. Your page is
    more than most have done, and I hope you continue your efforts to
    make fidonet great again. Building a future takes time, and lots
    of effort. Not just by one person, but many.

    I am leaving it effective immediatly and will remove the feed from my BBS later today, CET.

    You got mad and made a false allegation without showing any
    evidence to support or substantiate your claim. I understand
    that. And so do most others. Thing is, sometimes it is best
    to sit on your hands before you type.

    I hope you decide to stick around in this echo. Or come back
    in a few days after this thread dies down. This is a friendly
    community, not the type where old friends snipe at each other
    forever until the end of time. Even though sometimes it may
    seem that way.

    To you who supported me and fidonet.io: thank you. I mean it.

    Good luck with your endeavor.

    To you who didn't, I have nothing to say.

    You have plenty to say. And most (if not all) are willing to
    listen. And hopefully learn.

    Good luck.

    Lady Luck is always with me.

    --Lee

    --
    Make Sure Your Next Erection Is In Safe Hands

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Björn Felten on Thursday, March 14, 2019 16:01:47
    Hello Bjrn,

    After the moderator of this echo sent me a very nasty netmail accusing
    me of various things,

    What nasty things?

    Hell if I know.

    I only asked you why you are using a false name (Joacim and not your real name Joakim) and why your phone number at 2:201/120 is the number to a company exchange (as can be seen from the double zero at the end) where there is no modem answering. That's part of my job as your RC when your NC may have missed it.

    What you wrote publicly was not his beef.

    He claims you sent him a "very nasty netmail". Without revealing
    whatever the heck was in that "very nasty netmail".

    Since he did not produce any evidence of you having sent such
    a netmail, and your inability to remember having sent such a netmail,
    we should all assume there was no such netmail sent or received.

    There.

    Joacim is forgiven for having temporarilly lost his cool.

    You are forgiven for not moderating Joacim for having made
    a false accusation, understanding debating issues can be tough
    at times.

    Besides, Odin has taught Thor to play nice with us mere mortals.

    Now if only I can find Wonder Woman to protect me from evil ...

    Sorry if I offended you, but at least I didn't "moderate" you in the way that e.g. common mark seems to expect, openly in the echo. Until now, that is...

    You cannot moderate someone who has left the building.
    But you can welcome him back to answer for his crimes.
    Oh. That's right. Free speech is not a crime ...

    --Lee

    --
    Every Bottom Needs A Top

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to BOB ACKLEY on Thursday, March 14, 2019 16:03:43
    Hello Bob,

    What nasty things? I only asked you why you are using a false name
    (Joacim and not your real name Joakim) and why your phone number at

    What bullshit is this? Don't you have anything to do with your
    miserable life
    than jump on people? You have done nothing but attack, attack, attack.
    You
    seem to think you OWN this network, well buddy you don't.

    Actually, he does. This echo, anyway.

    In what way?

    That's the problem I have with anybody being able to connect with Fidonet from anyplace, it's nearly impossible for a moderator to control his or her echo because feed-cuts just won't work any more

    While that might be a problem for kontrol freaks, it is not
    a problem for anybody else. Except perhaps for other kontrol
    freaks.

    --Lee

    --
    Your Hole Is Our Goal

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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to Joacim Melin on Friday, March 15, 2019 07:23:37
    On 13/03/2019 06:34, Joacim Melin -> All wrote:
    After the moderator of this echo sent me a very nasty netmail accusing
    me of various things, I have decided to give up this echo. I am leaving
    it effective immediatly and will remove the feed from my BBS later
    today, CET.

    To you who supported me and fidonet.io: thank you. I mean it.

    To you who didn't, I have nothing to say.

    Bye.


    --

    Regards
    David

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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to Robert Stinnett on Friday, March 15, 2019 07:43:55
    On 14/03/2019 02:27, Robert Stinnett -> Joacim Melin wrote:

    After the moderator of this echo sent me a very nasty netmail accusing me of
    various things, I have decided to give up this echo. I am leaving it
    effective immediatly and will remove the feed from my BBS later today, CET.

    Great. So we lose another guy who is eager to participate and move things forward because some asshole thinks he is the supreme lord ruler.

    You don't seem to understand - only certain parties in Z1 ever have had this delusion regarding their power in Fidonet. The rest of us realise that we are a
    peer oriented cooperative network. Each of us is only supreme lord ruler of our own system.

    --

    Regards
    David

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to David Drummond on Saturday, March 16, 2019 00:45:20
    Hello David,

    [..]

    Each of us is only supreme lord ruler of our own system.

    By George, I think you've got it!

    --Lee

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    Get Her Wet Here

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to David Drummond on Saturday, March 16, 2019 00:45:31
    Hello David,

    After the moderator of this echo sent me a very nasty netmail accusing
    me of
    various things, I have decided to give up this echo. I am leaving it
    effective immediatly and will remove the feed from my BBS later
    today, CET.

    Great. So we lose another guy who is eager to participate and move
    things
    forward because some asshole thinks he is the supreme lord ruler.

    You don't seem to understand - only certain parties in Z1 ever have had this delusion regarding their power in Fidonet. The rest of us realise
    that
    we are a peer oriented cooperative network. Each of us is only supreme
    lord
    ruler of our own system.

    https://tinyurl.com/yxvv4r5f

    Oops.

    Forgot where that came from.

    Must have been my system.

    It coughed and gagged on something.

    No telling what.

    --Lee

    --
    Change Is Cumming

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  • From BOB ACKLEY@1:123/140 to ROBERT STINNETT on Saturday, March 16, 2019 10:27:42
    Re: I'm leaving Fidonews
    By: Lee Lofaso to BOB ACKLEY on Thu Mar 14 2019 04:03 pm

    That's the problem I have with anybody being able to connect
    with
    Fidonet from anyplace, it's nearly impossible for a moderator
    to
    control his or her echo because feed-cuts just won't work any
    more

    While that might be a problem for kontrol freaks, it is not
    a problem for anybody else. Except perhaps for other kontrol
    freaks.

    I've never had a problem with "control freaks" in moderated echoes.
    Usually if a rule was broken the moderator issued a warning to the
    poster, if the poster continued to flout the rules he or she got a
    vacation, if he or she didn't abide by the vacation the moderator would
    ask the poster's sysop to cut his or her echo feed. Since anybody can
    connect to any system on the planet that sort of enforcement is no
    longer practical - as Ward pointed out.

    Our favorite troll here actually ran the moderator of DEBATE out of his
    own echo some years back
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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/700 to BOB ACKLEY on Sunday, March 17, 2019 08:42:00
    BOB ACKLEY wrote to ROBERT STINNETT <=-

    Our favorite troll here actually ran the moderator of DEBATE out of his own echo some years back

    Semantics are interesting. *His* echo? IMO, the echo is a product of
    the contributions by the people involved in the echo, and that's where
    I have a problem with Fido moderation.

    A moderator doesn't own an echo, he or she is a representative of the collective tasked with keeping the collective aligned with the topic.
    If they can't do that, they don't have the backing of the collective
    and it's time for someone else to take on the role.



    ... Would you like to wake up from this dream?
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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to Kurt Weiske on Monday, March 18, 2019 19:11:16
    On 18/03/2019 01:42, Kurt Weiske -> BOB ACKLEY wrote:

    Our favorite troll here actually ran the moderator of DEBATE out of his
    own echo some years back

    Semantics are interesting. *His* echo? IMO, the echo is a product of
    the contributions by the people involved in the echo, and that's where
    I have a problem with Fido moderation.

    A moderator doesn't own an echo, he or she is a representative of the collective tasked with keeping the collective aligned with the topic.
    If they can't do that, they don't have the backing of the collective
    and it's time for someone else to take on the role.

    Or phase the role out as redundant.

    --

    Regards
    David

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