While Fidonet doesn't _need_ multiple zones, we have them, and mail is flowing, so "fixing" this is low on the priority list.
Today's RCs are nothing but nodelist clerks not even needed, our ZCs can easily handle net segments.
Removing all regions save for a single place-holder for our nodelist would be a big step forward. Today's RCs are nothing but nodelist clerks not even needed, our ZCs can easily handle net segments.
That's all RCs are supposed to be.
While Fidonet doesn't _need_ multiple zones, we have them, and mail is
flowing, so "fixing" this is low on the priority list.
What we don't need is regions (except for the archaic nodelist format). Nowadays the RINs are obsolete, so they are no longer needed.
Removing all regions save for a single place-holder for our nodelist would
be a big step forward. Today's RCs are nothing but nodelist clerks not even needed, our ZCs can easily handle net segments.
But we (yes, that includes me, RC20) still have an unreasonable power to influence not only important elections, but, even worse, such things as veto any changes to our policy documents.
Yes, they could, but the ZC getting good segments from RCs who in turn
get good segments from NCs makes their jobs easier and their are more
eyes on it.
It's important for the smooth operation of Fidonet that we have
all the NC/RC/ZC positions filled with people who understand that and
are willing to work together for the common good of Fidonet.
It's the ZCs that ignores RCs that does not perform properly ...
On 03-20-19 20:17, Bj”rn Felten wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
While Fidonet doesn't _need_ multiple zones, we have them, and mail is flowing, so "fixing" this is low on the priority list.
What we don't need is regions (except for the archaic nodelist
format). Nowadays the RINs are obsolete, so they are no longer needed.
The original idea was that each zone should have ten regions e.g.
10-19 in zone 1, 20-29 in zone 2 and so on. Each zone should have a hundred nets e.g. 100-1099 in region 10, 110-1199 in region 1:11 and so on.
But it didn't take long before net 1:202 was created. The net where
I first got my nodenumber was 2:202. By then I often got netmail
addressed to my node intended for the duplicate 1:202 node.
Removing all regions save for a single place-holder for our nodelist would be a big step forward. Today's RCs are nothing but nodelist
clerks not even needed, our ZCs can easily handle net segments.
But we (yes, that includes me, RC20) still have an unreasonable
power to influence not only important elections, but, even worse, such things as veto any changes to our policy documents.
On 03-20-19 20:32, Bj”rn Felten wrote to Bj”rn Felten <=-
Bj”rn Felten -> Tony Langdon skrev 2019-03-20 20:17:
Today's RCs are nothing but nodelist clerks not even needed, our ZCs can easily handle net segments.
OK, I didn't think this through properly. In some zones that would probably a way to hard a task. So maybe keep the RC job as netsegment collector and processor but deprive us of the Mickey Mouse hats.
So which ZCs (plural, as in your claim) are malfuntioning
Or is there any way to "thin the herd" and merge regions to spread the load,
And now over to zone 1, and how they have managed to reduce the number
of regions from ten (with 25,000 nodes 20 years ago) to ten with a couple of hundreds now. 8-)
Yeah, I know, those Mickey Mouse hats *do* sit nicely...
Yeah, I know, those Mickey Mouse hats *do* sit nicely...
Could you please talk to the guy?
The Zone Warz are over ...
On 03-20-19 23:08, Bj”rn Felten wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
Or is there any way to "thin the herd" and merge regions to spread the load,
Oh yes, no problem at all.
In zone 2 we've managed several such mergers. One such was the
merger of R20, R21, R22 and R23 into R20. The merger went without any problems (AFAIK). All it takes is the cooperation with the RCs and
their ZC. And that's only the latest here.
And now over to zone 1, and how they have managed to reduce the
number of regions from ten (with 25,000 nodes 20 years ago) to ten with
a couple of hundreds now. 8-)
Yeah, I know, those Mickey Mouse hats *do* sit nicely...
The Zone Warz are over ...
So, a "doable" option, with the right cooperation . :)
On 03-20-19 21:12, Bj”rn Felten <=-
spoke to Kurt Weiske about Fidonet => region free <=-
If you read P4 you'll see that we are given far more
than that. And we are not even supposed to route netmail:
We are the only ones that can vote for a policy change.
The Zone Warz are over ...
As I've already said, the future looks bright -- compared to the past.
We are the only ones that can vote for a policy change.
Not so -- The RCs are the only ones who can put a proposed policy change
on the table for referendum. It is then voted on by all *Cs.
On 03-21-19 06:02, Bj”rn Felten wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
So, a "doable" option, with the right cooperation . :)
Absolutely. The nodes need not even change a thing in their set-up. It's all made between RCs and NCs.
Tony Langdon wrote to Björn Felten <=-
Or is there any way to "thin the herd" and merge regions to spread the load, while reducing the number of hat wearers?
On 03-21-19 09:40, Kurt Weiske wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
I'm willing to entertain cash offers for Region 10. The bidding will
start at 50 Quatloos.
... DON'T EAT CABBAGE
allSo, a "doable" option, with the right cooperation . :)
Absolutely. The nodes need not even change a thing in their set-up. It's
made between RCs and NCs.
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