• Are all fidonetters ignorant?

    From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Dan Cross on Thursday, March 21, 2019 19:49:49
    Meanwhile, everyone else could standardize on zone 0, net 0,
    region 0, with just the node number being significant. All
    the relevant software could be modified to accept zeros in
    the appropriate positions. Or, if that were impractical, then
    pick an arbitrary zone number: 1, 4, or 6 (the latter two
    being isomorphic to IP version numbers).

    Your zero zone/region/net proposal will not further the future of Fidonet at
    all. Yes, if we could take our DeLorean back 30 years we could make a lot of things better. But who could see the birth of the WWW and subsequent demise of the Fidonet ten years before it happened?

    And your future vision seems to miss the fact that IP numbers soon will be as archaic as the technology that you so obviously despise.

    Maybe you haven't read the magazine that this echo is all about? ATM there are e.g. 77 systems connected via IPv6, 31 of them has a ::f1d0:<zone>:<net>:<node> style host address. So we are not all as ignorant as
    you think.

    I think you owe all the Fidonet programmers a little more respect. Especially those who came after the WWW. Binkp, binkd, Argus and JamNNTPd springs to mind.


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  • From Dan Cross@1:123/115 to Björn Felten on Thursday, March 21, 2019 15:17:16
    Re: Are all fidonetters ignorant?
    By: Bjrn Felten to Dan Cross on Thu Mar 21 2019 07:49 pm

    Meanwhile, everyone else could standardize on zone 0, net 0,
    region 0, with just the node number being significant. All
    the relevant software could be modified to accept zeros in
    the appropriate positions. Or, if that were impractical, then
    pick an arbitrary zone number: 1, 4, or 6 (the latter two
    being isomorphic to IP version numbers).

    Your zero zone/region/net proposal will not further the future of Fidonet at all.

    It would make getting a node number trivial and clear out the
    dead wood.

    Yes, if we could take our DeLorean back 30 years we could make a lot of things better. But who could see the birth of the WWW and subsequent demise of the Fidonet ten years before it happened?

    It was obvious if you were part of the technical community that
    did it. I hate to burst your bubble, but Fidonet was never more
    than a hobbyist footnote. Now hobbyists would like to advance
    it because hey, that's what hobbyists do, but any energy around
    doing so is squashed by people who can't let go of the status
    quo. Poppycock. Lead, follow, or get out of the way.

    And your future vision seems to miss the fact that IP numbers soon will be as archaic as the technology that you so obviously despise.

    I'm pretty sure you must be confused about something.

    Maybe you haven't read the magazine that this echo is all about? ATM there are e.g. 77 systems connected via IPv6, 31 of them has a ::f1d0:<zone>:<net>:<node> style host address. So we are not all as ignorant as you think.

    Weren't you the guy talking about the WWW on the ARPANET the
    other day?

    I think you owe all the Fidonet programmers a little more respect. Especially those who came after the WWW. Binkp, binkd, Argus and JamNNTPd springs to mind.

    Perhaps you should give the Internet some more respect. All
    of those things were built on the technology that basically
    killed Fidonet as you knew it. UUCP was far more technically
    advanced and predated Fidonet.

    There's a reason Fidonet did not attract the professional and
    research crowds; perhaps you wondered at one point what it was?
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  • From TERRY ROATI@3:640/1321 to Dan Cross on Friday, March 22, 2019 10:05:28
    There's a reason Fidonet did not attract the professional and
    research crowds; perhaps you wondered at one point what it was?
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    Main one I can think of is, no more market therefore no money to made. We are all very lucky for the few developers still around.

    Terry

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