Hi! Martin,

On 30 Nov 19 10:45, you wrote to All:

@MSGID: 2:310/31.3@fidonet deea59b5
@PID: OpenXP/5.0.41 (Linux) (x86_64)
@CHRS: ASCII 1
@TZUTC: 0000
Greetings All!

Would somebody please confirm that there is *NO* TZUTC kludge in the message header, thanks.

Regards,
Martin

--- OpenXP 5.0.41
* Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)
SEEN-BY: 103/705 154/10 203/0 221/0 1 6 360 229/426 240/1120 5832
280/464
SEEN-BY: 280/5003 5555 310/31 313/41 320/119 219 396/45 423/81 120 640/1138
SEEN-BY: 640/1321 1384 712/848 770/1 2452/250 3634/12
@PATH: 310/31 280/464 221/1 640/1384

Looks sparklin', Martin. ;)

Cheers,
Paul.

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Hello Martin,

@MSGID: 2:310/31.3@fidonet deea59b5
@PID: OpenXP/5.0.41 (Linux) (x86_64)
@CHRS: ASCII 1
@TZUTC: 0000
Greetings All!

Would somebody please confirm that there is *NO* TZUTC kludge in the message header, thanks.

It is still there but that is not a problem.. :)

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Greetings All!

Would somebody please confirm that there is *NO* TZUTC kludge in the
message header, thanks.

Regards,
Martin

--- OpenXP 5.0.41
* Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)

Hi Martin!

Not confirmed.
Still 0000

30 Nov 2019 10:45, from Martin Foster -> All:

@MSGID: 2:310/31.3@fidonet deea59b5
@PID: OpenXP/5.0.41 (Linux) (x86_64)
@CHRS: ASCII 1
@TZUTC: 0000
Greetings All!

Would somebody please confirm that there is *NO* TZUTC kludge in the message header, thanks.

Regards,
Martin

SEEN-BY: 310/31

CU, Ricsi

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Hello Paul!

* 30.11.19 at 20:54, Paul Quinn wrote to Martin Foster:

@MSGID: 2:310/31.3@fidonet deea59b5
@PID: OpenXP/5.0.41 (Linux) (x86_64)
@CHRS: ASCII 1
@TZUTC: 0000

^^^^^^^^^^^^

Greetings All!

Would somebody please confirm that there is *NO* TZUTC kludge in the

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

message header, thanks.

[snip]

Looks sparklin', Martin. ;)

Thanks but the kludge should *not* have been there. I suspect that
this was "operator error" on my part, sorry.

I've tweaked my config and the kludge should *not* be present in the
message header in this reply. Please confirm, thanks.

Regards,
Martin

--- OpenXP 5.0.41
* Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)

Hello Richard!

* 30.11.19 at 17:57, Richard Menedetter wrote to Martin Foster:

Not confirmed.
Still 0000

30 Nov 2019 10:45, from Martin Foster -> All:

@MSGID: 2:310/31.3@fidonet deea59b5
@PID: OpenXP/5.0.41 (Linux) (x86_64)
@CHRS: ASCII 1
@TZUTC: 0000
Greetings All!

Would somebody please confirm that there is *NO* TZUTC kludge in the
message header, thanks.

Please see my reply to Paul Quinn, thanks.

Regards,
Martin

--- OpenXP 5.0.41
* Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)

Hello Alan!

* 30.11.19 at 13:05, Alan Ianson wrote to Martin Foster:

@MSGID: 2:310/31.3@fidonet deea59b5
@PID: OpenXP/5.0.41 (Linux) (x86_64)
@CHRS: ASCII 1
@TZUTC: 0000
Greetings All!

Would somebody please confirm that there is *NO* TZUTC kludge in the
message header, thanks.

It is still there but that is not a problem.. :)

Please see my reply to Paul Quinn, thanks.

Regards,
Martin

--- OpenXP 5.0.41
* Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)

Hello Martin,

Would somebody please confirm that there is *NO* TZUTC kludge in
the message header, thanks.

It is still there but that is not a problem.. :)

Please see my reply to Paul Quinn, thanks.

It's not there now. Is it reporting the wrong TZ or is there a reason why you don't want it?

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Hello Martin,

On Sunday December 01 2019 09:39, you wrote to Paul Quinn:

@MSGID: 2:310/31.3@fidonet df025d5f
@REPLY: 3:640/1384 5de24a91
@PID: OpenXP/5.0.41 (Linux) (x86_64)
@CHRS: ASCII 1

No TZUTC kludge...

Would somebody please confirm that there is *NO* TZUTC kludge in

See above.


Cheers, Michiel

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Hi! Martin,

On 01 Dec 19 09:39, you wrote to me:

@MSGID: 2:310/31.3@fidonet df025d5f
@REPLY: 3:640/1384 5de24a91
@PID: OpenXP/5.0.41 (Linux) (x86_64)
@CHRS: ASCII 1
Hello Paul!

I've tweaked my config and the kludge should *not* be present in the message header in this reply. Please confirm, thanks.

True, yes. OTOH the first was properly formed per format and informational content.

Cheers,
Paul.

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--- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20130515
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On 01/12/2019 2:39 a.m., Martin Foster : Paul Quinn wrote:

Thanks but the kludge should *not* have been there. I suspect
that this was "operator error" on my part, sorry.

I've tweaked my config and the kludge should *not* be present
in the message header in this reply. Please confirm, thanks.

Stupid question coming..

Why would anyone need to turn TZUTC off and on? ..or, is this an exclusive/temporary developer feature to make sure things don't break going up the chain and so that you can continue to use the same program with TZUTC=off in 5.0.41 without having to keep swapping the previous version? If so, nice!

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Hi! August,

On 12/02/2019 05:36 AM, you wrote to Martin Foster:

Stupid question coming..

Not really.

Why would anyone need to turn TZUTC off and on? ..or, is this an exclusive/temporary developer feature to make sure things don't break going up the chain and so that you can continue to use the same program with in 5.0.41 without having to keep swapping the previous
version? If so, nice!

I appreciated such a facility with my Win32 JamNNTPd server which ran on my dear-departed Win98se node. Without fail, every summer it would indicate DST incorrectly. We don't 'do' DST in this locale; never have, besides stoopid trials. So I turned its TZUTC=off permanently. Sweet. :)

Cheers,
Paul.

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In a post between "Paul Quinn - August Abolins", on 12/2/2019 1:02 AM

AA> Why would anyone need to turn TZUTC off and on?

I appreciated such a facility with my Win32 JamNNTPd server
which ran on my dear-departed Win98se node. Without fail,
every summer it would indicate DST incorrectly. We
don't 'do' DST in this locale; never have, besides stoopid
trials. So I turned its TZUTC=off permanently. Sweet. :)

Ah.. then maybe a similar senario is considered in the next OpenXP.

But couldn't you have just adjusted to the correct time in the Win98se? I think
there was a little TZ fix program for Win98 available.

I never ran Win98se for BBS operations. I started with OS/2 2.1 and used the built-in Win support for launching win-specific bbs programs. I never seemed to
have a problem honouring ZMH that I recall.

But speaking of switching between DST and standard time, it's like sudden jet-lag with no opportunity to compensate; life continues on the same numbers of the clock, on schedule, while the body still "feels" like operating on the old schedule.

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Hi! August,

On 12/02/2019 01:13 PM, you wrote:

Why would anyone need to turn TZUTC off and on?

I appreciated such a facility with my Win32 JamNNTPd server

I never ran Win98se for BBS operations. I started with OS/2 2.1 and used the built-in Win support for launching win-specific bbs programs. I
never seemed to have a problem honouring ZMH that I recall.

Nor did I, with anything else on the BBS: GoldEd, SemPoint, BinkleyTerm, Mystic, binkD, Argus or Radius. Windows itself was fine. (I was not aware of the fix.)

Only JamNNTPd had a problem... and a fix. :)

Cheers,
Paul.

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Hello Paul!

* 01.12.19 at 20:32, Paul Quinn wrote to Martin Foster:

@MSGID: 2:310/31.3@fidonet df025d5f
@REPLY: 3:640/1384 5de24a91
@PID: OpenXP/5.0.41 (Linux) (x86_64)
@CHRS: ASCII 1
Hello Paul!

I've tweaked my config and the kludge should *not* be present in the
message header in this reply. Please confirm, thanks.

True, yes. OTOH the first was properly formed per format and informational content.

OK, thanks for confirming and for the heads-up :)

BTW ... TZUTC kludge is now back on ;)

Regards,
Martin

--- OpenXP 5.0.41
* Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)

Hello Alan!

* 01.12.19 at 01:51, Alan Ianson wrote to Martin Foster:

Would somebody please confirm that there is *NO* TZUTC kludge in
the message header, thanks.

It is still there but that is not a problem.. :)

Please see my reply to Paul Quinn, thanks.

It's not there now.

Thanks for confirming.

Is it reporting the wrong TZ or is there a reason why you don't
want it?

Although the TZUTC kludge is not new, it's a newly implemented feature
in OpenXP. The developer decided to give the user the option to enable/disable the feature at their own discretion. Now why anyone
would want to disable the TZUTC kludge eludes me?

Regards,
Martin

--- OpenXP 5.0.41
* Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)

Hello Michiel!

* 01.12.19 at 11:11, Michiel van der Vlist wrote to Martin Foster:

@MSGID: 2:310/31.3@fidonet df025d5f
@REPLY: 3:640/1384 5de24a91
@PID: OpenXP/5.0.41 (Linux) (x86_64)
@CHRS: ASCII 1

MvdV> No TZUTC kludge...

Would somebody please confirm that there is *NO* TZUTC kludge in

MvdV> See above.

Thanks for confirming.

Regards,
Martin

--- OpenXP 5.0.41
* Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)

Hello August!

* 01.12.19 at 21:36, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

Thanks but the kludge should *not* have been there. I suspect
that this was "operator error" on my part, sorry.

I've tweaked my config and the kludge should *not* be present
in the message header in this reply. Please confirm, thanks.

Stupid question coming..

Not really :)

Why would anyone need to turn TZUTC off and on?

Absolutely no idea.

..or, is this an exclusive/temporary developer feature to make
sure things don't break going up the chain and so that you can
continue to use the same program with TZUTC=off in 5.0.41 without
having to keep swapping the previous version? If so, nice!

No, it's the way the developer decided to implement it, thus giving
the user the option to enable/disable it.

Regards,
Martin

--- OpenXP 5.0.41
* Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)

Hi! Martin,

On 02 Dec 19 08:55, you wrote to me:

@TZUTC: 0000

OK, thanks for confirming and for the heads-up :)

Okay. 28-day settlement on accounts. ;)

BTW ... TZUTC kludge is now back on ;)

Yes! It's worth framing.

Cheers,
Paul.

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Hello Martin,

On Monday December 02 2019 08:55, you wrote to Paul Quinn:

@MSGID: 2:310/31.3@fidonet df0a5e88
@REPLY: 3:640/1384 5de39795
@PID: OpenXP/5.0.41 (Linux) (x86_64)
@CHRS: ASCII 1
@TZUTC: 0000

[..]

BTW ... TZUTC kludge is now back on ;)

It is indeed. But are you sure it is correct? You reside UTC+0 ?

Cheers, Michiel

--- GoldED+/W32-MSVC 1.1.5-b20170303
* Origin: http://www.vlist.eu (2:280/5555)

Hi Michiel!

02 Dec 2019 11:13, from Michiel van der Vlist -> Martin Foster:

BTW ... TZUTC kludge is now back on ;)

It is indeed. But are you sure it is correct? You reside UTC+0 ?

UK Winter time ... should be OK

CU, Ricsi

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//Hallo Martin, //

am *02.12.19* um *9:04:00* schriebst an *August Abolins*:

Why would anyone need to turn TZUTC off and on?

..it's the way the developer decided to implement it, thus giving the user the option to enable/disable it.

Is the TZUTC coming from the OSes setting? ..or will we be able to override/tweak it in OXP to mess with people's minds? <BWG>

..AA



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Hello Michiel!

* 02.12.19 at 11:13, Michiel van der Vlist wrote to Martin Foster:

@MSGID: 2:310/31.3@fidonet df0a5e88
@REPLY: 3:640/1384 5de39795
@PID: OpenXP/5.0.41 (Linux) (x86_64)
@CHRS: ASCII 1
@TZUTC: 0000

MvdV> [..]

BTW ... TZUTC kludge is now back on ;)

MvdV> It is indeed.

Thanks for confirming.

MvdV> But are you sure it is correct?

Yes :)

MvdV> You reside UTC+0 ?

Although I point off Richard's system in Austria(CET(UTC+1)), I live
in the UK(GMT(UTC+0)) :)

Regards,
Martin

--- OpenXP 5.0.41
* Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)

Hello Richard!

* 02.12.19 at 16:28, Richard Menedetter wrote to Michiel van der Vlist:

BTW ... TZUTC kludge is now back on ;)

It is indeed. But are you sure it is correct? You reside UTC+0 ?

UK Winter time ... should be OK

Yep, that's correct :)

Regards,
Martin

--- OpenXP 5.0.41
* Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)

Hello August!

* 02.12.19 at 19:48, August Abolins wrote to Martin Foster:

Why would anyone need to turn TZUTC off and on?

..it's the way the developer decided to implement it, thus giving the
user the option to enable/disable it.

Is the TZUTC coming from the OSes setting?

That's something I've been wondering about so I'll ask the developer.

..or will we be able to override/tweak it in OXP to mess with
people's minds? <BWG>

Nope =8)

Regards,
Martin

--- OpenXP 5.0.41
* Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)

Hello Martin,

On Tuesday December 03 2019 09:05, you wrote to me:

MvdV>> You reside UTC+0 ?

Although I point off Richard's system in Austria(CET(UTC+1)), I live
in the UK(GMT(UTC+0)) :)

Yes, of course. In the age of Fido over IP, points can be anywhere in the world
instead of in the same local call areas as their Boss node. ;-)


Cheers, Michiel

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Hello August!

* 03.12.19 at 09:12, Martin Foster wrote to August Abolins:

Why would anyone need to turn TZUTC off and on?

..it's the way the developer decided to implement it, thus giving the
user the option to enable/disable it.

Is the TZUTC coming from the OSes setting?

That's something I've been wondering about so I'll ask the developer.

Replied to this in the POINTS echo.

Regards,
Martin

--- OpenXP 5.0.41
* Origin: Bitz-Box - Bradford - UK (2:310/31.3)