I have at least 200 vinyl records from what my late parents had, and I
need to find a way to dispose of them..
I have at least 200 vinyl records from what my late parents had, and I
need to find a way to dispose of them..
A couple of tips/ideas sent you via netmail.
A couple of tips/ideas sent you via netmail.
I didn't see it in the email/netmail on the QWK packet. Maybe it'll be
in later. FIDONet 1:19/33 is the best netmail address for me.
From: August Abolins @ 2:221/1.58 (RBB, Ylojarvi)[...]
Subject: Netcall to 1:19/33
17:42:39 bad password
Re: vinyl resting place
By: August Abolins to Daryl Stout on Thu Feb 20 2020 11:26:00
From: August Abolins @ 2:221/1.58 (RBB, Ylojarvi)[...]
Subject: Netcall to 1:19/33
17:42:39 bad passwordthis happens to points a lot if their BOSS node has a secure session
with the remote... for some reason, a lot of mailers find and use the BOSS' password for the session... i don't know if that's the actual case in this instance, though... IREX can be weird at times and the above
could be due to something else...
Then I resorted to routed netmail, to your 1:19/33, leaving the path to AA>the fido elders.
this happens to points a lot if their BOSS node has a secure session with th ML>remote... for some reason, a lot of mailers find and use the BOSS' password ML>the session... i don't know if that's the actual case in this instance, ML>though... IREX can be weird at times and the above could be due to something ML>else...
Well, in this case the boss does not have a password with this node.
Irex indeed is buggy as hell... so... ;)
I have a secure session requirement. If folks want to set up a
connect, they can netmail me with a password, then I'll set it up
where they call poll virtually anytime (except when the BBS is down
for storms -- tornado season is here).
@MSGID: 342.fidonet-fidotest@1:19/33 22b46fc6
@REPLY: 2:221/1 5e4edd98
@PID: Synchronet 3.17c-Win32 Feb 11 2020 MSC 1924
@TZUTC: -0600
@TID: SBBSecho 3.10-Win32 r3.151 Feb 11 2020 MSC 1924
@CHRS: ASCII 1
Tommi,
Well, in this case the boss does not have a password with this node.
I just require a password for my connects.
Irex indeed is buggy as hell... so... ;)
I've rarely had a problem with it over here.
Daryl
* OLX 1.53 * Bad Restaurant: Hospital map on the back of the menu.
--- SBBSecho 3.10-Win32
* Origin: The Thunderbolt BBS - tbolt.synchro.net (1:19/33)
SEEN-BY: 19/25 33 103/705 106/101 124/5014 5016 5018 130/230 803 154/10 SEEN-BY: 203/0 221/0 229/426 240/5832 261/38 280/464 5003 5555 288/100 SEEN-BY: 310/31 387/21 25 26 27 396/45 423/120 712/848 770/1 2452/250 SEEN-BY: 31999/99
@PATH: 19/33 396/45 280/464
Tommi,
Well, in this case the boss does not have a password with this node.
I just require a password for my connects.
Daryl Stout wrote to AUGUST ABOLINS <=-
Then I resorted to routed netmail, to your 1:19/33, leaving the path to
the fido elders.
If you want a connect, netmail me with a password you want.
I've got it set to not allow connects from those not in my
connect list.
ththis happens to points a lot if their BOSS node has a secure session with
theyremote... for some reason, a lot of mailers find and use the BOSS' password
the session... i don't know if that's the actual case in this instance,
though... IREX can be weird at times and the above could be due to something
else...
I have a secure session requirement. If folks want to set up a connect,
can netmail me with a password, then I'll set it up where they call poll virtually anytime (except when the BBS is down for storms -- tornadoseason
is here).
flag inI have a secure session requirement. If folks want to set up a
connect, they can netmail me with a password, then I'll set it up
where they call poll virtually anytime (except when the BBS is down
for storms -- tornado season is here).
So you basically operate a Pvt node. So why does your node show the CM
the nodelist?
And btw a Pvt node can't be a RIN.
So you basically operate a Pvt node. So why does your node show the CM flag WVV>the nodelist?
And btw a Pvt node can't be a RIN.
I just require a password for my connects.
Then you need to let your fidonet node number away.
ok so stupid question: how are they supposed to netmail you if your system ML>won't accept the connection because it is insecure?? if they send the reques ML>routed with the password then all systems in the route can see that password
you really shouldn't use that requirement because it prevents random ML>connections attempting to drop off mail and in networks where random ML>connections are the basis for most private comms, well...
Why? Doesn't really make much sense to prevent direct netmail.
Also probably violates Fidonet protocol, since you have the CM
flag in your nodelist entry. Not sure why you also have the MO
flag if there's a BBS running at that address.
ok so stupid question: how are they supposed to netmail you if your
system won't accept the connection because it is insecure?? if they
send the request routed with the password then all systems in the
route can see that password
you really shouldn't use that requirement because it prevents random connections attempting to drop off mail and in networks where random connections are the basis for most private comms, well...
My main hub is Marc Lewis at 1:396/45, but I'm a regional independent.
The Little Rock Area FIDONet Net 3821 disbanded long ago...and there
are no other BBS's in Little Rock.
Tommi,
I just require a password for my connects.
Then you need to let your fidonet node number away.
All of my netmail connects require a session password.
Tommi Koivula wrote to mark lewis <=-
Irex indeed is buggy as hell... so... ;)
i just wanted to point to the above once more...
anyway, that's all i have to say about it... it is your system and you can r ML>it however you like as long as it doesn't interfere with the operation of th ML>network ;)
All of my netmail connects require a session password.
If that is really the case, you DO NOT qualify as a fidonet node.
You should resign ASAP.
Daryl Stout wrote to MARK LEWIS <=-
ok so stupid question: how are they supposed to netmail you if your system
won't accept the connection because it is insecure?? if they send the reques
routed with the password then all systems in the route can see that password
you really shouldn't use that requirement because it prevents random
connections attempting to drop off mail and in networks where random
connections are the basis for most private comms, well...
My main hub is Marc Lewis at 1:396/45, but I'm a regional
independent. The Little Rock Area FIDONet Net 3821 disbanded long ago...and there are no other BBS's in Little Rock.
My main hub is Marc Lewis at 1:396/45, but I'm a regionalNone of that has anything to do with the issue at hand. If your
independent. The Little Rock Area FIDONet Net 3821 disbanded long
ago...and there are no other BBS's in Little Rock.
nodelist entry includes the CM (continuous mail) flag, you are
stating that your system can receive netmail at any time. If you
break that by requiring a password, you are not complying with Fidonet
standards.
Plus, it just doesn't make any sense. Why deny netmail?
Something else about Internet Rex that isn't well-known: it's case-sensitive when it comes to session passwords.
I changed the one setting in IREX to "allow non-listed connections",
but could not find the option for "unsecure connections".
First, you are NOT my network coordinator, and I do NOT have toAll of my netmail connects require a session password.If that is really the case, you DO NOT qualify as a fidonet node.
You should resign ASAP.
answer to you.
There are too many self righteous Sysops out there, who think they
can never do anything wrong with their BBS, and that everyone should answer to them. For these Sysops, the T-shirt "We'll all get along
just fine, when you come to realize I'm God" comes to mind.
I have sent a netmail to him for his assistance. Configurations can
get corrupted and changed with program upgrades, etc. All of us make mistakes...that's like saying "you never sinned"...well, by that statement, you just did.
Tommi,
All of my netmail connects require a session password.
If that is really the case, you DO NOT qualify as a fidonet node.
You should resign ASAP.
First, you are NOT my network coordinator,
and I do NOT have to answer to you.
First, you are NOT my network coordinator, and I do NOT have
to answer to you.
There are too many self righteous Sysops out there, who think
they can never do anything wrong with their BBS, and that
everyone should answer to them. For these Sysops, the T-shirt
"We'll all get along just fine, when you come to realize I'm
God" comes to mind. I have sent a netmail to him for his
assistance. Configurations can ??get corrupted and changed with
program upgrades, etc. All of us make mistakes...that's like
saying "you never sinned"...well, by that statement, you just
did. Daryl
All of my netmail connects require a session password.If that is really the case, you DO NOT qualify as a fidonet node.
You should resign ASAP.
First, you are NOT my network coordinator, and I do NOT have to
answer to you.
You are not following minimum standards.
He does not need to be your network coordinator to point that out!
And he is right that you should downgrade to being a point if you
are incapable or unwilling to follow minimum standards!
Not being able to send you direct netmail is a HUGE issue!!
it is possible that he had the system down for storms in the area...
MvdV> There is no connection at all. So either your binkd is not
MvdV> running in daemon mode or your firewall is not passing incoming MvdV> on port 24554. (inclusive or)
it is possible that he had the system down for storms in the area... they
have a huge number of really nasty ones where he lives and he shuts down
when they are in the area...
time.it is possible that he had the system down for storms in the area... they
have a huge number of really nasty ones where he lives and he shuts down
when they are in the area...
His BBS is responding with a manual telnet login, at this time.
But a system call via OpenXP or WinPoint gets no response at all, at this
First, you are NOT my network coordinator, and I do NOT have to
answer to you.
You are not following minimum standards.On what do you base your conclusion?
He does not need to be your network coordinator to point that
out!
Not being able to send you direct netmail is a HUGE issue!!How so? What's wrong with Routed NetMail?
If that is really the case, you DO NOT qualify as a fidonet
node. You should resign ASAP.
Rubbish.
And he is right that you should downgrade to being a point if you
are incapable or unwilling to follow minimum standards!
To whose "minimum standards" do you refer? Yours?
As I see it, Daryl's system is up to spec.
If you want to send NetMail to him, do so; it gets routed through my system, which is according to P4.
[snip}
Not being able to send you direct netmail is a HUGE issue!!
How so? What's wrong with Routed NetMail?
SEEN-BY: 19/25 33 103/705 106/101 124/5014 5016 5018 130/230 803
154/10
SEEN-BY: 203/0 221/0 229/426 240/5832 261/38 280/464 5003 5555 288/100 SEEN-BY: 310/31 387/21 25 26 27 396/45 423/120 712/848 770/1 2452/250 SEEN-BY: 31999/99
@PATH: 396/45 280/464
Since this is the FIDOTEST area: where is that 31999/99 node
number coming from?
@PATH: 396/45 280/464
Since this is the FIDOTEST area: where is that 31999/99 node number coming from?
Where Daryl lives there is a great deal of really foul weather,
including abundant lightning storms and tornado activity. More than likely you were trying to connect during one of those storm cycles
when he takes the system off line for obvious reasons.
SEEN-BY: 310/31 387/21 25 26 27 396/45 423/120 712/848 770/1 2452/250 SEEN-BY: 31999/99
Since this is the FIDOTEST area: where is that 31999/99 node
number coming from?
Where Daryl lives there is a great deal of really foul weather,
including abundant lightning storms and tornado activity. More than likely you were trying to connect during one of those storm cycles
when he takes the system off line for obvious reasons.
None of that has anything to do with the issue at hand. If your
nodelist entry includes the CM (continuous mail) flag, you are
stating that your system can receive netmail at any time. If you break DC>that by requiring a password, you are not complying with Fidonet DC>standards.
Not being able to send you direct netmail is a HUGE issue!!
Any sysop can send complaint. Anyway, if you don't want to receive
mail from anyone but secured links, you should change your node status
to Pvt and fix the nodelist flags. And no problems if it was just ES>misconfiguration, is can be fixed too.
it is possible that he had the system down for storms in the area... they ha ML>a huge number of really nasty ones where he lives and he shuts down when the ML>are in the area... i don't blame him one bit, either... i do the same here b ML>we have much fewer lightning storms here than he has there...
To whose "minimum standards" do you refer? Yours? As I see it, Daryl's sys ML>is up to spec. If you want to send NetMail to him, do so; it gets routed ML>through my system, which is according to P4.
How so? What's wrong with Routed NetMail?
Maybe he is in the midst of further configuration for the CM, IBN parts to AA>work openly and accept mail.
SEEN-BY: 31999/99
Since this is the FIDOTEST area: where is that 31999/99 node
number coming from?
Private net. That's the BBS's "node" number since its message base is separate from the main message base. The BBS's messages are scanned for junk and curse words which are edited out with ######'s (GSAR.) Can't do that to EchoMail that gets distributed. Been that way for the last 24 years.
It shouldn't leak into the (fidonet) seen-by's.
Others might use the same private net,
in which case you are causing problems for them...
SEEN-BY: 31999/99
Since this is the FIDOTEST area: where is that 31999/99 node
number coming from?
Private net. That's the BBS's "node" number since its message base is separate from the main message base. The BBS's messages are scanned for junk and curse words which are edited out with ######'s (GSAR.) Can't do that to EchoMail that gets distributed. Been that way for the last 24 years.
It shouldn't leak into the (fidonet) seen-by's. Others might use
the same private net, in which case you are causing problems for
them...
Well, Internet Rex is now crashing in daemon mode
I will look at setting up BinkP with Synchronet, but right now,
I have medical and financial issues outside the BBS...
This "hobby" is also a moderately costly one, maintaining a fixed IP address (at commercial rate), equipment maintainence/replacment, electricity and so-on. (~ US$100.00/month.)
It shouldn't leak into the (fidonet) seen-by's.
they have always been in fidonet seenbys because they are fidonet...
Others might use the same private net,
incorrect... the IC assigns private net numbers based on some formula that i cannot find any more... they're also supposed to be listed in the nodelist but i forget the (user?) flag that was used for them... one only needed to search the nodelist for the number to figure out who's it was...
It shouldn't leak into the (fidonet) seen-by's.
they have always been in fidonet seenbys because they are fidonet...
If it's a private net it's not fidonet.
Others might use the same private net,
incorrect... the IC assigns private net numbers based on some formula that i cannot find any more... they're also supposed to be listed in the nodelist but i forget the (user?) flag that was used for them... one only
needed to search the nodelist for the number to figure out who's it was...
I've never heard about nor seen such a thing in the nodelist.
This "hobby" is also a moderately costly one, maintaining a fixed IP address (at commercial rate), equipment maintainence/replacement, electricity and so-on. (~ US$100.00/month.)
??? then you do something TERRIBLY wrong!
My fido node runs on my root server that I already have.
(some other things are running there as well like mail, web, etc.)
I pay 7.1 EUR which is less than 10 USD per month.
The current complaints, hassles, bru-ha-ha and nonsense over nothing is
becoming a bit much to deal with.
This "hobby" is quickly becoming a pain in the neck with a bunch of
self-righteous Policy know-it-alls and is no longer a friendly, enjoyable
place..
...Despite my best efforts to help promote a now feeble network
that's now roughly 10% its peak size, and the folks associated with it.
This "hobby" is also a moderately costly one, maintaining a fixed IP
address (at commercial rate), equipment maintainence/replacment,
electricity and so-on. (~ US$100.00/month.)
It is probably time for me to shut everything down, close the
BinkP/Mail/FTP and NewsGate machines, the file server, and turn off the
BBS/Fido<>Internet gateway machine.
they have always been in fidonet seenbys because they are fidonet...
If it's a private net it's not fidonet.
no, dude... it is one of the old 2D or 3D nets... it is fidonet
because the IC assigned those network addresses... they were done from
the other end of the numbering system, IIRC, though...
Others might use the same private net,
incorrect... the IC assigns private net numbers based on some
formula that i cannot find any more... they're also supposed to
be listed in the nodelist but i forget the (user?) flag that was
used for them... one only needed to search the nodelist for the
number to figure out who's it was...
I've never heard about nor seen such a thing in the nodelist.
Electricity is expensive here as is Internet service, particularly cable service with a fixed IP. They charge me US$128.00 a month and it only inclu the very basic non-premium TV channels. The Internet speed isn't all the fantastic either at 100Mbps down and ~20Mbps up.
The current complaints, hassles, bru-ha-ha and nonsense over nothing
is becoming a bit much to deal with.
This "hobby" is quickly becoming a pain in the neck with a bunch of self-righteous Policy know-it-alls and is no longer a friendly,
enjoyable place...
This "hobby" is also a moderately costly one, maintaining a fixed IP address (at commercial rate),
equipment maintainence/replacment, electricity and so-on. (~ US$100.00/month.)
It is open on the firewall, but now, IREX is constantly crashing in Daemon mode...either because of an update with Microsoft Windows 10,
or because I didn't leave well enough alone.
So, I have SHUT DOWN the daemon mode, and will use Internet Rex ONLY during the BBS's nightly maintenance, just after 12 midnight US
Central Time.
Those wanting to netmail me, should send FIDONet Netmail
to 1:19/33, but route it through my hub,
I will look at implementing the BinkP deal with Synchronet,
If it's a private net it's not fidonet.
no, dude... it is one of the old 2D or 3D nets... it is fidonet
because the IC assigned those network addresses... they were done
from the other end of the numbering system, IIRC, though...
Others might use the same private net,
incorrect... the IC assigns private net numbers based on some
formula that i cannot find any more... they're also supposed
to be listed in the nodelist but i forget the (user?) flag
that was used for them... one only needed to search the
nodelist for the number to figure out who's it was...
I've never heard about nor seen such a thing in the nodelist.
incorrect... the IC assigns private net numbers based on some
formula that i cannot find any more... they're also supposed
to be listed in the nodelist but i forget the (user?) flag
that was used for them... one only needed to search the
nodelist for the number to figure out who's it was...
did i not just say that i lost the information i had?
bullshit...
there's still a lot of stuff in fidonet that isn't documented and
likely never will be because of death and information loss...
incorrect...
I've never heard about nor seen such a thing in the nodelist.
then you haven't been paying attention...
wait... didn't you just say that you didn't know anything about them?
make up your mind, please...
is that surprising?
Where Daryl lives there is a great deal of really foul weather, including ML>abundant lightning storms and tornado activity. More than likely you were ML>trying to connect during one of those storm cycles when he takes the system ML>line for obvious reasons.
Private net. That's the BBS's "node" number since its message base is separa ML>from the main message base. The BBS's messages are scanned for junk and curs ML>words which are edited out with ######'s (GSAR.) Can't do that to EchoMail t ML>gets distributed. Been that way for the last 24 years.
I have also been under 2 tornadic funnel clouds... within a mile
of an F-1 and an F-4 rain wrapped tornado... am a 2 time
lightning strike survivor... and nearly drowned in a flash flood
40 years ago. So, this time of year (Tornado Season, now getting
officially underway), I get very nervous, and know it means a lot
of downtime for the BBS... which can be several days at a time.
I pay 7.1 EUR which is less than 10 USD per month.You're fortunate to live in Europe.
Electricity is expensive here as is Internet service, particularly
cable service with a fixed IP. They charge me US$128.00 a month and it only includes the very basic non-premium TV channels. The Internet
speed isn't all the fantastic either at 100Mbps down and ~20Mbps up.
In short, your claim I'm falsifying the severe weather is nothing but rubbish.
Even my FIDONet hub, has had tornadoes in his area...so, he knows what
I'm talking about.
You are a RIN. You do not have a Fidonet hub.
You are a RIN. You do not have a Fidonet hub.
What is a RIN?
You are a RIN. You do not have a Fidonet hub.
What is a RIN?
Daryl is a regional independent node in region 19. He doesn't belong
to a net, probably because there isn't one in his area.
This "hobby" is also a moderately costly one, maintaining a fixed IP
address (at commercial rate), equipment maintainence/replacement,
electricity and so-on. (~ US$100.00/month.)
Is the $100/month the BBS portion? ..or does that include the other
personal/business uses you make with internet service? If it's
just for the BBS, that does seem quite a lot for just the BBS
hobby.
Virtual hosting (eg. Linode.com) seems practical starting at
$5/month. No extra equipment to worry about, fully 24/7, etc.
It is probably time for me to shut everything down, close the
BinkP/Mail/FTP and NewsGate machines, the file server, and turn off the
BBS/Fido<>Internet gateway machine.
Sounds like you are juggling several physical "machines" to move
fido data. Kudos to you!
I pay 7.1 EUR which is less than 10 USD per month.You're fortunate to live in Europe.
Yes ... I agree.
Fortunate on multiple levels.
But the good news is that you can easily participate.
You buy the service anywhere in the world for the same conditions I
get. So for less than 10 USD you get a full root server.
Electricity is expensive here as is Internet service, particularly
cable service with a fixed IP. They charge me US$128.00 a month and it only includes the very basic non-premium TV channels. The Internet
speed isn't all the fantastic either at 100Mbps down and ~20Mbps up.
Electricity cost is slightly below 20 eurocents per kWh.
Internet service seems to be indeed expensive.
I pay 45 EUR for 100/20 MBit/s and DVB-C TV service.
May I ask where you live?
Rural area or bigger city?
As I mentioned in another reply to August Abolins, regrettably thatI virtualized my very old running OS/2 computer about year or two ago. It is running under VMWare now, and it is very stable. No phone lines, no special hardware, so it was quite painless conversion. Might be possible to run it in a
won't work for me running OS/2... An ancient system that has, for the
*most* part been very stable.
I virtualized my very old running OS/2 computer about year or two ago. It is
running under VMWare now, and it is very stable. No phone lines, no special hardware, so it was quite painless conversion. Might be possible to run it i
VPS too, but I haven't tried.
Local nets are based on "areas of convenient telephone calling". In
the POTS age this usually meant an area where all could call each
other by making a local call. Derived from the "prime directive" of
not "imposing undue cost on others".
http://www.vlist.eu/downloads/policys/POLICY4.TXT
In the age of Fido over IP, it no longer makes sense to limit nets to
the relatively small area of a classic local POTS call. Nets can now
cover a much larger geographical area without violating the prime directive of not imposing undue cost on others.
The logical thing to do is to blow up the existing local nets so that together they cover the entire region.
No more need for RINs.
Local nets are based on "areas of convenient telephone calling".
In the POTS age this usually meant an area where all could call
each other by making a local call. Derived from the "prime
directive" of not "imposing undue cost on others".
That was an essential thing back in the '90s.
http://www.vlist.eu/downloads/policys/POLICY4.TXT
In the age of Fido over IP, it no longer makes sense to limit
nets to the relatively small area of a classic local POTS call.
Nets can now cover a much larger geographical area without
violating the prime directive of not imposing undue cost on
others.
That's true from a technical point of view. Region 10 has net 218 that looks like a catch all net for nodes from all over the region.
The logical thing to do is to blow up the existing local nets so
that together they cover the entire region.
Technically we could do that.. but why?
I like to be part of a network. If we blow up the existing nets we all become RINs or perhaps form one single net in the region. I see no
reason to do that.
No more need for RINs.
I don't know how or why some nodes are RIN. At the end of the day I
don't think it matters much if those nodes are RIN or part of a net.
If that works for them and their RC more power to them.
But the good news is that you can easily participate.As I mentioned in another reply to August Abolins, regrettably that
You buy the service anywhere in the world for the same conditions
I get. So for less than 10 USD you get a full root server.
won't work for me running OS/2... An ancient system that has, for the *most* part been very stable.
AT&T high speed service which wants full commercial business rate
to provide a fixed IP address (as does my cable company.)
I like to be part of a network. If we blow up the existing nets we all become RINs or perhaps form one single net in the region. I see no
I think he meant blow up as in, increase in size physical size. So
that there's no "empty space" between them
The logical thing to do is to blow up the existing local nets so
that together they cover the entire region.
Technically we could do that.. but why?
To avoid the situation that "all sysops are equal, but some are more
equal than others".
That is not what I had in mind. I did not mean to blow up the nets
until each of them covers the Region. I meant blowing them up so that
the empty spaces bewteen the nets are filled and the nets together
cover the region. (without overlap).
I don't know how or why some nodes are RIN. At the end of the day
I don't think it matters much if those nodes are RIN or part of a
net.
It creates situations where "some are more equal than others"...
If that works for them and their RC more power to them.
Fidonet was designes as a peer to peer network. Things should work for all, not just for some.
No more need for RINs.
I don't know how or why some nodes are RIN. At the end of the day I don't think it matters much if those nodes are RIN or part of a net.
It creates situations where "some are more equal than others"...
Mike Powell wrote to MICHIEL VAN DER VLIST <=-
What is a RIN?
Why do you need a fixed IP??
You can always use DynDNS.
Or even better outsource those tasks to your root server with a
fixed IPv4 and IPv6 address!
Absolutely no need for a fixed IP!
Absolutely no need for a fixed IP!
Why do you need a fixed IP??Explain how to run a mail server and an FTP server without a fixed IP.
You can always use DynDNS.
Or even better outsource those tasks to your root server with a
fixed IPv4 and IPv6 address!
Keep in mind I'm in the USofA where most internet providers are
draconian with their rules about running *any* kind of server on their consumer grade variable IP "lines". Particularly SMTP and FTP.
Technically we could do that.. but why?
To avoid the situation that "all sysops are equal, but some are
more equal than others".
We are all equal. We are all nodes.
We are all equal. We are all nodes.
Alas, the facts do not support that presumption. Nodes in a local
network and RINs do not enjoy the same lever of equalness. :-(
o P4 imposes restrictions on RINs and ZINs. Mail to them may not be default routed f.e.
o In a PC against a RIN, there is one level of appeal less than in a
PC against an member of a local network. This makes RINs unequal to members of a local network.
o Some seem to consider it a status symbol. OTOH, some sysops are
forced into RIN or ZIN status because no one wants them in their
network. Both occasions do not help maintain the fiction that all are equal.
o In a PC against a RIN, there is one level of appeal less than
in a PC against an member of a local network. This makes RINs
unequal to members of a local network.
This is a shortcoming of P4. If we can ever get back to policy perhaps
we can address some of these weaknesses so all nodes will in fact be equal.
This is only true if the node agrees to move, the RC shouldn't force a node, he should only encourage a node.
So because we have RINs doesn't mean the RC has failed,
The phrase is "require if necessary" so ONLY the RC can decide if it's necessary,
On the contrary, P4 covers it. The unequality is a result of
coordinators FAILING to properly follow P4. Look at this:
* Origin: The File Bank BBS! https://tfb-bbs.org (3:640/1321)^^^^^^^^^^^^
On 06 Mar 2020, Terry Roati said the following...
* Origin: The File Bank BBS! https://tfb-bbs.org (3:640/1321)^^^^^^^^^^^^
Just an FYI, PX puts this in for your automatically. You don't need
to type this into your origin line. :)
--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A46 2020/03/04 (Linux/64)
* Origin: New Mystic BBS (1:261/20)
He knows as much about severe weather as you do. Don't waste your time.
Daryl Stout wrote to SEAN DENNIS <=-
We've had nearly nonstop days of thunderstorms and severe weather
here lately...although compared to Louisiana, Mississippi, and Alabama, we've only got "a glancing blow" as it were. But, with a constant
threat of thunderstorms, it made no sense to do any BBS work. Florida
may be the lightning capitol of the world, but Arkansas has to be a
close second.
The dachshund Janice and I had would wrap
himself around her head, like a wig, when thunderstorms were in the
area.
I think my problem with Internet Rex is fixed (I got with my FIDONet hub, Marc Lewis, last night), and since bringing the BBS up last night, daemon mode hasn't crashed out. I suspect Microsoft Windows Update is
to blame.
And, speaking of which, it's the "second Tuesday" as I type
this...but mail won't go out until Friday on the FTN side, so the nodelists can be updated, with removing the CM flag for me. With all
this rain, we don't have to worry about water rationing or fire danger.
Sysop: | Zazz |
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Location: | Mesquite, Tx |
Users: | 7 |
Nodes: | 4 (0 / 4) |
Uptime: | 81:54:06 |
Calls: | 157 |
Files: | 2,110 |
Messages: | 145,592 |