Hello Alan!06 May 19 11:46, Alan Ianson schrieb an August Abolins: >> I can trigger an external editor, but I really doubt that's the source >> of the problem. rbb.bbs handles the BW packet fine. AI> If you don't mind please try that, either in here or a local area on The AI> Rusty MailBox. It may or may not provide some clarity.. I'm hoping for AI> clarity. :)I am writing this reply with GoldED+.To accomplish this, I copied the squish files from RustyMailbox to a known GoldED setup. Then I will copy back the resultant files so that I can export them with SemPoint's built-in BW packer.Not quite sure how this will look when I am done.Gruss,August--- FPD v2.9.040207 GoldED+/W32-MINGW 1.1.5-b20070116 * Origin: (2:221/1.59)

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Hi! August,

On 06 May 19 18:42, you wrote to Alan Ianson:

@MSGID: 1:153/757.0 f05da87d
@TZUTC: -0800
@CHARSET: LATIN-1
Hello Alan!06 May 19 11:46, Alan Ianson schrieb an August Abolins: >>
I can trigger an external editor, but I really doubt that's the source

of the problem. rbb.bbs handles the BW packet fine. AI> If you

don't mind please try that, either in here or a local area on The AI> Rusty MailBox. It may or may not provide some clarity.. I'm hoping for

clarity. :)I am writing this reply with GoldED+.To accomplish

this, I copied the squish files from RustyMailbox to a known GoldED
setup. Then I will copy back the resultant files so that I can export them with SemPoint's built-in BW packer.Not quite sure how this will
look when I am done.Gruss,August--- FPD v2.9.040207 GoldED+/W32-MINGW 1.1.5-b20070116 * Origin: (2:221/1.59)

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SEEN-BY: 153/105 135 250 757 6809 7715 154/10 203/0 221/0 1 6 360
240/1120
SEEN-BY: 267/67 280/464 5003 5555 290/10 320/119 219 640/1321 1384
712/848
SEEN-BY: 3634/12
@PATH: 153/757 221/6 1 640/1384

Oops. Something got boxed-up. Unpretty. :(

Cheers,
Paul.

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Hi Paul,
On <Tue, 07 May 19>, you wrote me:

Oops. Something got boxed-up. Unpretty. :(

Seems to be a little bit of trouble with BW packet uploads to Alan's BBBS system. The CRs are getting stripped. I looked inside the pre-uploaded resultant packet files and the original messages contain the proper "0A" chars for CRs. Further, Alan's system is stripping all kludges (except for one at the top "^BBS:" when building BW packets to me.

Maybe the problem is specific to BBBS systems?

(This BW packet is going via rbb.bbs. Should look "pretty".)


..A






* SeM. 2.26 * Astronauts are out to launch.

--- Concord/2/BW 001B30d (Reg.)
* Origin: - rbb - telnet://rbb.homeip.net - (2:221/360)

Hi! August,

On 07 May 19 03:04, you wrote to me:

@MSGID: 2:221/360 656dfcec
@PID: Concord 0.01 Beta-30d OS/2 ser#cc38c58d
@TID: GE/2 1.2
@CHARSET: LATIN-1
Hi Paul,
On <Tue, 07 May 19>, you wrote me:

Oops. Something got boxed-up. Unpretty. :(

Seems to be a little bit of trouble with BW packet uploads to Alan's
BBBS system. The CRs are getting stripped. I looked inside the pre-uploaded resultant packet files and the original messages contain
the proper "0A" chars for CRs. Further, Alan's system is stripping
all kludges (except for one at the top "^BBS:" when building BW
packets to me.

Maybe the problem is specific to BBBS systems?

(This BW packet is going via rbb.bbs. Should look "pretty".)

..A

* SeM. 2.26 * Astronauts are out to launch.

--- Concord/2/BW 001B30d (Reg.)
* Origin: - rbb - telnet://rbb.homeip.net - (2:221/360)
SEEN-BY: 19/10 203/0 221/0 1 6 360 240/1120 280/464 5003 5555 320/119 SEEN-BY: 320/219 640/1321 1384 712/848 3634/12
@PATH: 221/360 1 640/1384

Yes! Much better. Simply sublime. mate. It makes me want to revive my SemPoint in the wreckage of my original Fido node.

Cheers,
Paul.

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August Abolins wrote to Paul Quinn <=-

Oops. Something got boxed-up. Unpretty. :(

Seems to be a little bit of trouble with BW packet uploads to Alan's
BBBS system. The CRs are getting stripped. I looked inside the pre-uploaded resultant packet files and the original messages contain
the proper "0A" chars for CRs.

What do you mean by proper "0A"?

I recieved the uploaded reply packet you sent, thanks for that. I've only had a
quick look so far and I have more questions that answers after looking at it.

I see the message text does contain ^M characters but it is all on one line. There is no formatting in the input.

I am replying to you now using BW so I can compare your uploaded reply packet with my own to see what's different.

Further, Alan's system is stripping all kludges (except for one at the
top "^BBS:" when building BW packets to me.

What kludges are being stripped? I am not aware of my system stripping any kludges.

Maybe the problem is specific to BBBS systems?

If it turns out to be a BBBS problem, I will report it to the author and hopefully it can be fixed.

(This BW packet is going via rbb.bbs. Should look "pretty".)

Yes, your messages look fine when uploaded to Concord.

Ttyl :-),
Al

... I strive for perfection, what I get is reality.

--- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Toy-4
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Hi August!

Very strange.
Quoting looked terrible.
There was a quote marker in the middle of the text. AI>)
Usually Golded is very good with that ... so I assume something else fucked it up.

06 May 2019 18:42, from August Abolins -> Alan Ianson:

@MSGID: 1:153/757.0 f05da87d
@TZUTC: -0800
@CHARSET: LATIN-1
Hello Alan!06 May 19 11:46, Alan Ianson schrieb an August Abolins: >>
I can trigger an external editor, but I really doubt that's the source

of the problem. rbb.bbs handles the BW packet fine. AI> If you

don't mind please try that, either in here or a local area on The AI> Rusty MailBox. It may or may not provide some clarity.. I'm hoping for

clarity. :)I am writing this reply with GoldED+.To accomplish

this, I copied the squish files from RustyMailbox to a known GoldED
setup. Then I will copy back the resultant files so that I can export them with SemPoint's built-in BW packer.Not quite sure how this will
look when I am done.Gruss,August--- FPD v2.9.040207 GoldED+/W32-MINGW 1.1.5-b20070116 * Origin: (2:221/1.59)

SEEN-BY: 103/705 153/105 135 250 757 6809 7715 154/10 203/0 221/0 1 6 SEEN-BY: 221/360 229/426 240/1120 5832 267/67 280/464 5003 5555 290/10 SEEN-BY: 310/31 396/45 423/120 712/848 770/1 2452/250
@PATH: 153/757 221/6 1 280/464

CU, Ricsi

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Further, Alan's system is stripping all kludges (except for one at
the top "^BBS:" when building BW packets to me.

The ^BBS: line you are seeing is likely added by sempoint. There is no such kludge in FTN that I know of.

Are you speaking of kludges being stripped in offline mail packets?

Kludges are not normaly included in offline mail packets. You can turn kludge support on in BBBS if you like, then kludges will be seen when viewing messages
online and will be available in your offline mail reader. I press x in multimail to view the kludges if I want to see them.

To turn on kludge support in BBBS enter "u set kludges" from the main menu, then when it asks for a value enter "t". Do that again and blank the value if you want to turn kludge support off.

--- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Toy-4
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Hi Alan,On <Tue, 07 May 19>, you wrote me: >> Further, Alan's system is stripping all kludges (except for one at >> the top "^BBS:" when building BW packets to me. AI> The ^BBS: line you are seeing is likely added by sempoint. There is AI> no such kludge in FTN that I know of.True. But I never "configured" the string "The Rusty Mailbox" anywhere in SemPoint. It must come
along in the BW packet, perhaps? AI> Are you speaking of kludges being stripped in offline mail packets?Yes. AI> Kludges are not normaly included in offline mail packets. You can AI> turn kludge support on in BBBS if you like..Oh, excellent! AI> To turn on kludge support in BBBS enter "u set kludges" from the main AI> menu, then when it asks for a value enter "t". Do that again and AI> blank the value if you want to turn kludge support off.That
seems to have worked. Thank you! I see all the kludgyness glory now.But I wonder if we
still have the stripped-CRs problem with this upload, as soon as i finish writing this message...A * SeM. 2.26 * Ehi,guarda,hoaggiustatolabarraspaziatri
ce...maporc..

--- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Toy-4
* Origin: The Rusty MailBox - Penticton, BC Canada (1:153/757)

Hi! August,

On 07 May 19 15:24, you wrote to Alan Ianson:

@MSGID: 1:153/757.0 7b656a8d
@TZUTC: -0800
@CHARSET: LATIN-1
Hi Alan,On <Tue, 07 May 19>, you wrote me: >> Further, Alan's system
is stripping all kludges (except for one at >> the top "^BBS:" when building BW packets to me. AI> The ^BBS: line you are seeing is likely added by sempoint. There is AI> no such kludge in FTN that I know
of.True. But I never "configured" the string "The Rusty Mailbox"
anywhere in SemPoint. It must come along in the BW packet, perhaps?

Are you speaking of kludges being stripped in offline mail

packets?Yes. AI> Kludges are not normaly included in offline mail
packets. You can AI> turn kludge support on in BBBS if you like..Oh, excellent! AI> To turn on kludge support in BBBS enter "u set kludges" from the main AI> menu, then when it asks for a value enter "t". Do
that again and AI> blank the value if you want to turn kludge support off.That seems to have worked. Thank you! I see all the kludgyness
glory now.But I wonder if we still have the stripped-CRs problem with
this upload, as soon as i finish writing this message...A * SeM. 2.26
* Ehi,guarda,hoaggiustatolabarraspaziatri ce...maporc..

--- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Toy-4
* Origin: The Rusty MailBox - Penticton, BC Canada (1:153/757)
SEEN-BY: 153/105 135 250 757 6809 7715 154/10 203/0 221/0 1 6 360
240/1120
SEEN-BY: 267/67 280/464 5003 5555 290/10 320/119 219 640/1321 1384
712/848
SEEN-BY: 3634/12
@PATH: 153/757 221/6 1 640/1384

Nup. I'm sorry to have to report another mess. Ahmm... it's not your only option, I hope?

Cheers,
Paul.

... Warning! High level radiation detected! Suspect: CPU Meltdown.
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Hi Paul,
On <Wed, 08 May 19>, you wrote me:

...That seems to have worked. Thank you! I see all the kludgyness
glory now.But I wonder if we still have the stripped-CRs problem with
this upload, as soon as i finish writing this message...A * SeM. 2.26
* Ehi,guarda,hoaggiustatolabarraspaziatri ce...maporc..
--- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Toy-4
* Origin: The Rusty MailBox - Penticton, BC Canada (1:153/757)

Nup. I'm sorry to have to report another mess. Ahmm... it's not
your only option, I hope?

Not at all. I am just exploring options. SemPoint has been a favourite
during dialup years. Today, it would need a little help with BinkD to bring it up to date for transfers. Meanwhile, I was just revisiting its offline BlueWave support. Next to FleetStreet, SemPoint was among the best in storing messages in a database manner using Squish, JAM, Hudson, MSG, and even with BlueWave and QWK ..all concurrently.

And..I just happened to pick Al's Rusty Mailbox (fellow Canadian..) for this re-exploration.

I am now just wondering if the CRs stripping is particular to BBBS. Just need to find another BBBS system that offers BlueWave.

'til Later..
../|ug


* SeM. 2.26 * Modem not found: (A)bort, (R)etry, (G)oto bed?

--- Concord/2/BW 001B30d (Reg.)
* Origin: - rbb - telnet://rbb.homeip.net - (2:221/360)

Hi Paul,
On <Tue, 07 May 19>, you wrote me:

@BBS: The Rusty MailBox
@TZUTC: 1000
@CHRS: UTF-8 2
@MSGID: 3:640/1384 5cd118fb
@REPLY: 2:221/360 656dfcec

Yay.. the kludges are back. (But I'm posting this via RBB's Concord system to avoid the stripped CR problem)

Hi! August,

* SeM. 2.26 * Astronauts are out to launch.

Yes! Much better. Simply sublime. mate. It makes me want to revive
my SemPoint in the wreckage of my original Fido node.

SemPoint is a very nice program for a BBS-esque experience (extensive tagline options/stealing, etc; many other configurable options, all in a nice GUI
style to look great in Windows, a mix of Squish, JAM, Hudson, MSG messages in different areas, etc..). Albiet, it is _16bit._ I am using it here with WinXP.

To bring it up do date (that is, tcp/ip), it would need a little help with BinkD. The manual method with BW or QWK is not my preference. But it could work for a n00bie getting aquainted with retro BBSing.

../|ug


* SeM. 2.26 * Nothing is so smiple that it can't get screwed up.

--- Concord/2/BW 001B30d (Reg.)
* Origin: - rbb - telnet://rbb.homeip.net - (2:221/360)

Hi August!

07 May 2019 15:24, from August Abolins -> Alan Ianson:

Hi Alan,On <Tue, 07 May 19>, you wrote me: >> Further, Alan's system
is stripping all kludges (except for one at >> the top "^BBS:" when building BW packets to me. AI> The ^BBS: line you are seeing is likely added by sempoint. There is AI> no such kludge in FTN that I know
of.True. But I never "configured" the string "The Rusty Mailbox"
anywhere in SemPoint. It must come along in the BW packet, perhaps?

Are you speaking of kludges being stripped in offline mail

packets?Yes. AI> Kludges are not normaly included in offline mail
packets. You can AI> turn kludge support on in BBBS if you like..Oh, excellent! AI> To turn on kludge support in BBBS enter "u set kludges" from the main AI> menu, then when it asks for a value enter "t". Do
that again and AI> blank the value if you want to turn kludge support off.That seems to have worked. Thank you! I see all the kludgyness
glory now.But I wonder if we still have the stripped-CRs problem with
this upload, as soon as i finish writing this message...A * SeM. 2.26
* Ehi,guarda,hoaggiustatolabarraspaziatri ce...maporc..

Again everything in one ugly blob :(

CU, Ricsi

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Hi Alan,On <Tue, 07 May 19>, you wrote me: >> Further, Alan's system is stripping all kludges (except for one at >> the top "^BBS:" when building BW packets to me. AI> The ^BBS: line you are seeing is likely added by sempoint. There is AI> no such kludge in FTN that I know of.True. But I never
"configured" the string "The Rusty Mailbox" anywhere in SemPoint. It must com >along in the BW packet, perhaps? AI> Are you speaking of kludges being strippe
in offline mail packets?Yes. AI> Kludges are not normaly included in offline mail packets. You can AI> turn kludge support on in BBBS if you like..Oh,
excellent! AI> To turn on kludge support in BBBS enter "u set kludges" from th >main AI> menu, then when it asks for a value enter "t". Do that again and AI>
blank the value if you want to turn kludge support off.That seems to have worked. Thank you! I see all the kludgyness glory now.But I wonder if we still have the stripped-CRs problem with this upload, as soon as i finish
writing this message...A * SeM. 2.26 * Ehi,guarda,hoaggiustatolabarraspaziatr
ce...maporc..

Well,

Sorry to say that is one ugly mess..

I am evaluating options now and awaiting feedback.

--- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Toy-4
* Origin: The Rusty MailBox - Penticton, BC Canada (1:153/757)

Hi Paul,
On <Tue, 07 May 19>, you wrote me:

@BBS: The Rusty MailBox
@TZUTC: 1000
@CHRS: UTF-8 2
@MSGID: 3:640/1384 5cd118fb
@REPLY: 2:221/360 656dfcec

Hi! August,

* SeM. 2.26 * Astronauts are out to launch.

Yes! Much better. Simply sublime. mate. It makes me want to revive
my SemPoint in the wreckage of my original Fido node.

SemPoint is a very nice program for a BBS-esque experience (extensive tagline options/stealing, etc; many other configurable options, all in a nice GUI style
to look great in Windows). Albiet, it is _16bit._ I am using it here with WinXP.

To bring it up do date (that is, tcp/ip), it would need a little help with BinkD. The manual method with BW or QWK is not my preference. But it could work for a n00bie getting aquainted with bbsing.


../|ug


* SeM. 2.26 * Malicious error. Desqview found on drive.

--- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Toy-4
* Origin: The Rusty MailBox - Penticton, BC Canada (1:153/757)

Hi! August,

On 18 May 19 20:16, you wrote to me:

SemPoint is a very nice program for a BBS-esque experience (extensive tagline options/stealing, etc; many other configurable options, all in
a nice GUI style to look great in Windows). Albiet, it is _16bit._ I
am using it here with WinXP.

I am secretly working on this task. So far the left side of my brain is unaware of my evil plot. It's the thought of running Windows again that needs justifying.

To bring it up do date (that is, tcp/ip), it would need a little help
with BinkD. The manual method with BW or QWK is not my preference.
But it could work for a n00bie getting aquainted with bbsing.

In a sysop (or point operator) situation it performs extremely well using binkD, with a good tosser.

Cheers,
Paul.

... "Using yesterday's software to create tomorrow's problems today..."
--- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20130515
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SemPoint is a very nice program for a BBS-esque experience (extensive
tagline options/stealing, etc; many other configurable options, all in
a nice GUI style to look great in Windows). Albiet, it is _16bit._ I
am using it here with WinXP.

I am secretly working on this task. So far the left side of my brain is
unaware of my evil plot. It's the thought of running Windows again that needs
justifying.

Remember that mess that was all smooshed together when August uploaded BW packets to BBBS here a week or three ago?

Kim pointed me to an updated BBBS that hopefully supports the BW rep packets with simply CR instead of CR/LF or LF EOL.

If his reply looked OK to you (and others) I'll let Kim know that that update has successfully overcome that situation.

--- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Toy-4
* Origin: The Rusty MailBox - Penticton, BC Canada (1:153/757)

Hi! Alan,

On 18 May 19 22:49, you wrote to me:

Remember that mess that was all smooshed together when August uploaded
BW packets to BBBS here a week or three ago?

Although I knew it was a dupe, I've had a sleep since then.

Kim pointed me to an updated BBBS that hopefully supports the BW rep packets with simply CR instead of CR/LF or LF EOL.

Sweet.

If his reply looked OK to you (and others) I'll let Kim know that that update has successfully overcome that situation.

Okay, it was well-formed enough to have fun with. If it was good for you then it was good for me too. ;)

Cheers,
Paul.

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If his reply looked OK to you (and others) I'll let Kim know that that
update has successfully overcome that situation.

Okay, it was well-formed enough to have fun with. If it was good for you then
it was good for me too. ;)

It was good for me.. I just needed to be sure I wasn't just enjoying myself again.. ;)

--- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Toy-4
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