• The history of R29.

    From Henri Derksen@2:280/1208 to Björn Felten on Thursday, May 30, 2019 04:13:00
    Hello Bjorn,

    In March 2002 R29 was merged into R28 in the ongoing effort in zone 2
    to reduce the number of regions.
    Then, 15 years later, October 2017 (almost exactly 30 years after
    it's original creation), R29 was once again it's own region.
    From the outside it sure looks like a civil war, where some were seeking independence from the 15yo union. Why? Please enlighten us...

    If I am informed well, R29 wantend to have MOB nodes in their segment,
    but the then current RC did not want to insert them as they were not connectable by others, so should have the PVT flag,
    or better moved to a point list, as they have the connectivity of a Point.
    To overcome this, a new RC29 was created to get the new MOB nodes listed. Strictly these MOB nodes are not official NodeList compliant to FTSC documents as someone wrote:
    -- non Pvt node has no connect info --
    That's the only reason this split took place, and every body happy again.
    A remarkably fact is that there are currently no R29 MOB nodes in the
    FidoNet NodeList.

    Henri.

    ---
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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Henri Derksen on Friday, May 31, 2019 10:52:13
    If I am informed well, R29 wantend to have MOB nodes in their segment,
    but the then current RC did not want to insert them as they were not connectable by others, so should have the PVT flag,
    or better moved to a point list, as they have the connectivity of a Point.

    To overcome this, a new RC29 was created to get the new MOB nodes listed. Strictly these MOB nodes are not official NodeList compliant to FTSC documents

    as someone wrote:
    -- non Pvt node has no connect info --
    That's the only reason this split took place, and every body happy again. A remarkably fact is that there are currently no R29 MOB nodes in the FidoNet NodeList.

    Thanks a million Henri for this information -- that Ward for some odd reason
    refused to give us.



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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Björn Felten on Friday, May 31, 2019 11:24:11
    Thanks a million Henri for this information -- that Ward for some odd reason refused to give us.

    And Henri was notoriously wrong ... hearing drums but missing a few beats...

    \%/@rd

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Ward Dossche on Friday, May 31, 2019 13:19:05
    Thanks a million Henri for this information -- that Ward for some odd
    reason refused to give us.

    And Henri was notoriously wrong ... hearing drums but missing a few beats...

    And as usual, feel free to enlighten us and correct Henri's version of it. Don't hold back, give it to us!

    Give us the true story about how the MOB listed nodes didn't make it into the R28 segment, but you had to revive the old R29 segment in order to get them
    included in the nodelist.




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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to Björn Felten on Saturday, June 01, 2019 10:56:50
    On 31/05/2019 21:19, 2:203/2 wrote:

    And Henri was notoriously wrong ... hearing drums but missing a few
    beats...

    And as usual, feel free to enlighten us and correct Henri's version
    of it. Don't hold back, give it to us!

    Give us the true story about how the MOB listed nodes didn't make it into the R28 segment, but you had to revive the old R29 segment in order to get them included in the nodelist.

    Please enlighten a confused colonial - WTF is a "MOB listed node"?

    --

    Gang warily
    David

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to David Drummond on Friday, May 31, 2019 23:43:24
    On 2019 Jun 01 10:56:50, you wrote to Bjrn Felten:

    Please enlighten a confused colonial - WTF is a "MOB listed node"?

    MOBile -- a node in a FTN that is operated from a MOBile device.

    )\/(ark

    Always Mount a Scratch Monkey
    Do you manage your own servers? If you are not running an IDS/IPS yer doin' it wrong...
    ... And now, the maraschino cherry fondue. Now, this is extremely nasty.
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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to mark lewis on Saturday, June 01, 2019 16:15:16
    On 1/06/2019 13:43, mark lewis -> David Drummond wrote:

    Please enlighten a confused colonial - WTF is a "MOB listed node"?

    MOBile -- a node in a FTN that is operated from a MOBile device.

    Oh! I didn't realise we entertained that method...

    --

    Gang warily
    David

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  • From Paul Quinn@1:1/0 to David Drummond on Saturday, June 01, 2019 17:52:00
    Hi! David,

    On 06/01/2019 04:15 PM, you wrote mark lewis:

    Please enlighten a confused colonial - WTF is a "MOB listed node"?

    MOBile -- a node in a FTN that is operated from a MOBile device.

    Oh! I didn't realise we entertained that method...

    I haven't followed this closely enough but I think it's being tested in Z2, only. As I think about it now, my mind is unraveling spirally in consideration
    of whether such nodes are points or private nodes. I forget how they're playing it.

    Cheers,
    Paul.

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854.1 to Paul Quinn on Saturday, June 01, 2019 10:32:29
    MOBile -- a node in a FTN that is operated from a MOBile device.

    Oh! I didn't realise we entertained that method...

    I haven't followed this closely enough but I think it's being tested in Z2, only. As I think about it now, my mind is unraveling spirally in consideration of whether such nodes are points or private nodes. I forget how they're playing it.

    It's mainly used by some, with now the zone wars gone, to fight some other type
    of war and failing to notice the potential. Mainly people with a poolitical axe to grind with me and grabbing every opportubity to do so...

    Ward
    --- AfterShock/Android 1.6.8
    * Origin: Baby-Glacier (2:292/854.1)
  • From Paul Quinn@3:640/1384.125 to Ward Dossche on Saturday, June 01, 2019 19:01:28
    Hi! Ward,

    On 06/01/2019 06:32 PM, yo wrote:
    MOBile -- a node in a FTN that is operated from a MOBile device.
    Oh! I didn't realise we entertained that method...

    I haven't followed this closely enough but I think it's being
    tested in Z2, only. As I think about it now, my mind is unraveling
    spirally in consideration of whether such nodes are points or
    private nodes. I forget how they're playing it.

    It's mainly used by some, with now the zone wars gone, to fight some
    other type of war and failing to notice the potential. Mainly people
    with a poolitical axe to grind with me and grabbing every opportubity to do so...

    My reply attempted two things: to allay his fear that there was something of import that had happened in zone 3 without him being aware; and, an expression of guilt that I didn't know enough to really help him.

    Is the explanation is in the Z2 nodelist version preamble?

    Cheers,
    Paul.

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Paul Quinn on Saturday, June 01, 2019 14:06:08
    Paul,

    Is the explanation is in the Z2 nodelist version preamble?

    Good question.

    There is at least one developer working on a true mobile package on an Android platform. The end idea somewhere is that nodes WILL be mobile, that in the not-forseeable future PC-type computers will be a thing of the past.

    The technology at this moment is immature still but I refuse to reject it.

    "MOB" is an idea that needs to grow and given the space to develop (or crash). We do have some people whom can be called the nodelist-police or the nitt-pickers, the comma-screwers, the keyboard warriors who know it all grabbing whatever excuse to sound important.

    It's because of them that I adopted my approach that I will reply twice in a thread and then drop it. After 2 cycles it serves no purpose to continue.

    Little known, many many moons ago when some people hesitantly mentioned "IP" there was a ZC vehemently arguing against, that Fido had to stay virgin-dedicated to PSTN... Bob Satti, he tried to strangle IP and I told him to go take a hike. Introduced it into the Z2-nodelist. I got tonnes of hate meaages because of that. Later when Pvt/Unpublished was entered (first in Z2 again) the mob called for my impeachment because it was not in-line with what the holy council had decided somewhere in the 1980-ies.

    Then I was dismayed to find a message by Moufarrege thanking Bob Satti for the wisdom to allow IP in the nodelist ... heck, he hated it and got the thing shoved down his throat kicking and screaming ...

    Paul, on the surface things are not always what they seem in reality.

    We've now got one of the most competent people in the ZC chair in Z1 ... you should've seen how he was tarred and feathered by someone in the closed FTSC conference ... Maybe it comes with the job ...

    One of the things which I practice when someone wants to push something across my desk is to deal with it in netmail. If you do it in echomail then you're just showing-off or wielding a political battle-axe and it is "no" from the start.

    \%/@rd

    --- D'Bridge 3.99
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  • From Henri Derksen@2:280/1208 to Ward Dossche on Sunday, June 02, 2019 01:53:00
    Hello Ward,

    There is at least one developer working on a true mobile package on an Android platform.

    Good idea.

    The end idea somewhere is that nodes WILL be mobile,
    that in the not-forseeable future PC-type computers will be a thing of
    the past.

    Also ok.

    The technology at this moment is immature still but I refuse to reject
    it.

    Of course new technology may have a chance.

    "MOB" is an idea that needs to grow and given the space to develop (or crash).

    I donot see what the flag U,MOB services as a purpose?
    With IP is does not matter where the system actually operates.
    I.e. the location does not matter anymore as once in de POTS time was.
    When there is no connect info,
    no one can drop Direct Crash NetMail at such MOB systems.
    I.e. it should be flagged and listed as PVT.
    If it has a diable phonenumber or an connectable ip-adres or hostname,
    it is reachable, and only then no PVT flag needed.
    Those connect info should be stable everywhere the system moves too.
    I.e. in a camper or on a ship moving around the world.
    It does not matter what kind of transmission (WiFi/3G/4G/satellite) is used. The only wish is, be contactable at least during ZMH.
    The fact that the system is Mobile does not schoove that ZMH duty away.
    It is de basis of all FTN sytems everywhere.

    We do have some people whom can be called the nodelist-police or
    the nitt-pickers, the comma-screwers, the keyboard warriors who know it
    all grabbing whatever excuse to sound important.

    The only point of those people is to keep de NodeList as clean as possible.
    Are you happy when you want to call someone and (s)he does not tell you the number changed?

    It's because of them that I adopted my approach that I will reply twice
    in a thread and then drop it. After 2 cycles it serves no purpose to continue.

    There is no reason why it should not be discussed in public.

    Little known, many many moons ago when some people hesitantly mentioned "IP" there was a ZC vehemently arguing against, that Fido had to stay virgin-dedicated to PSTN... Bob Satti, he tried to strangle IP and I
    told him to go take a hike. Introduced it into the Z2-nodelist. I got tonnes of hate meaages because of that. Later when Pvt/Unpublished was entered (first in Z2 again) the mob called for my impeachment because it was not in-line with what the holy council had decided somewhere in the 1980-ies.

    The same happened when ISDN was introduced.
    It is and always was an utopy to try to connect to every system in de NodeList, because there are often imcompatible connection methods.
    But why not try to get as much compatability as possible?

    Henri.

    ---
    * Origin: Computing Apart Together (2:280/1208)
  • From Henri Derksen@2:280/1208 to Ward Dossche on Sunday, June 02, 2019 01:53:00
    Hello Ward,

    MOBile -- a node in a FTN that is operated from a MOBile device.
    Oh! I didn't realise we entertained that method...

    @Paul; Look for the U,MOB flag.

    @Ward; What have I to do different than normal to connect to such a Node?
    Is there already a FTSC proposal?
    I am not against new techniques,
    but only want to know how to get in contact if I wanted to.
    Now the only way is routed NetMail, not Direct Crashable private mail.

    I haven't followed this closely enough but I think it's being tested in PQ>> Z2, only. As I think about it now, my mind is unraveling spirally in
    consideration of whether such nodes are points or private nodes.
    I forget how they're playing it.

    It seems a bit secret, because there is no connection info listed ;-(.

    It's mainly used by some, with now the zone wars gone, to fight some
    other type of war

    That's your coloured opinion.

    and failing to notice the potential.

    Of course it can have potential,
    but why are all that U,MOB nodes gone in R29?
    At least that gives daubts ;-(.

    Mainly people with a poolitical axe to grind with me

    It has nothing to do with politics or you personal,
    but only technical reasons.
    The pure technical remark from another sysop is very claer:
    -- Non Pvt node has no connect info --

    and grabbing every opportubity to do so...

    You are still too easyally annoyed, i.e. to long toes?

    --- AfterShock/Android 1.6.8

    Ah, you are using thet Mobile software too.
    Is it an idea to write something about it in the FidoNews?
    If you want to promote that new technic, it should be made more public.

    * Origin: Baby-Glacier (2:292/854.1)

    Thank you for answering a private netmail, while you were at your boat.
    That opens perspectives for others to start going FTN mobile too, I hope.
    There are more traveling sysops with a pointsystem.

    Henri.

    ---
    * Origin: Computing Apart Together (2:280/1208)
  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to Paul Quinn on Sunday, June 02, 2019 13:28:41
    On 1/06/2019 19:01, Paul Quinn -> Ward Dossche wrote:

    It's mainly used by some, with now the zone wars gone, to fight some
    other type of war and failing to notice the potential. Mainly people
    with a poolitical axe to grind with me and grabbing every opportubity to
    do so...

    My reply attempted two things: to allay his fear that there was
    something of import that had happened in zone 3 without him being aware; and, an expression of guilt that I didn't know enough to really help him.

    I wasn't afraid that I'd missed out on something (I don't have the mobile bandwidth/volume to support a node, and no plan to increase it) rather I just hadn't thought of doing FIDONET by mobile.

    --

    Gang warily
    David

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  • From Paul Quinn@3:640/1384 to Henri Derksen on Sunday, June 02, 2019 15:09:39
    Hi! Henri,

    On 02 Jun 19 01:53, you wrote to Ward Dossche:

    _ml_>>>>> MOBile -- a node in a FTN that is operated from a MOBile
    device.
    Oh! I didn't realise we entertained that method...

    @Paul; Look for the U,MOB flag.

    I already had an saw nothing. At your prompting I tried again on this morning's Z2 daily: 2x nodes & 2x 'pvt' listings. No apparent contact info... it could be hiding. Thank you.

    Cheers,
    Paul.

    ... I don't work here. I'm a consultant.
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  • From Paul Quinn@3:640/1384 to David Drummond on Sunday, June 02, 2019 15:14:00
    Hi! David,

    On 02 Jun 19 13:28, you wrote to me:

    I wasn't afraid that I'd missed out on something (I don't have the
    mobile bandwidth/volume to support a node, and no plan to increase it) rather I just hadn't thought of doing FIDONET by mobile.

    Weird shit, hey.

    Cheers,
    Paul.

    ... Shiny. Let's be bad guys...
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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to David Drummond on Sunday, June 02, 2019 11:00:14
    I just hadn't thought of doing FIDONET by mobile.

    It's limited in possibilities at the moment but possible. There are 2 packages that run on Android doing the trick. My 2:292/854.1 is one on a tablet. It also
    runs from a phone but I guess the screens are very tiny then.

    \%/@rd

    --- D'Bridge 3.99
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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Paul Quinn on Sunday, June 02, 2019 11:02:04
    Paul,

    I already had an saw nothing. At your prompting I tried again on this morning's Z2 daily: 2x nodes & 2x 'pvt' listings. No apparent contact info... it could be hiding. Thank you.

    Kees Van Eeten has an interesting story about nodes in the nodelist ... "with" contact info ... which collapsed years ago, still in the nodelist, cannot be contacted. Nobody seems to care ... Henri Derksen doesn't get upset.

    He only gets upset about a node without contact info, whom he didn't know about
    in the first place until someone else with an axe to grind started stirring shit, a node Henri never would poll direct in the first place.
    When netmailing me even Henri also routes via his host at 2:280/5003 ...

    Politics, Paul .... and the desire to pee against a tall enough tree. He's not the only one. In the meantime Fidonet keeps fading because of fundamentalism.

    Hot day today. I'm making myself scarce.

    \%/@rd

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Ward Dossche on Sunday, June 02, 2019 11:17:15
    Politics, Paul .... and the desire to pee against a tall enough tree.
    He's not the only one. In the meantime Fidonet keeps fading because of fundamentalism.

    You are *not* paranoid, Ward. They really *are* out there to get you.



    ..

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  • From Paul Quinn@3:640/1384 to Ward Dossche on Sunday, June 02, 2019 21:37:31
    Hi! Ward,

    On 02 Jun 19 11:02, you wrote to me:

    Hot day today. I'm making myself scarce.

    We had a warmer than usual day. Late autumn/early winter, so temps still fluctuate. 21C max; morning forecast for 12C. Tue, Wed AM temps forecast for single digit. Yikes!

    Cheers,
    Paul.

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  • From TERRY ROATI@3:640/1321 to Ward Dossche on Sunday, June 02, 2019 20:42:26
    Ward,

    Are there any real benefits to running it on a tablet other than convience?

    Terry

    On Jun 02, 2019 11:00am, Ward Dossche wrote to David Drummond:

    I just hadn't thought of doing FIDONET by mobile.

    It's limited in possibilities at the moment but possible. There are 2 packages that run on Android doing the trick. My 2:292/854.1 is one on
    a tablet. It also runs from a phone but I guess the screens are very
    tiny then.

    \%/@rd

    --- D'Bridge 3.99
    * Origin: Do not meddle in the affairs of wizards (2:292/854)

    Terry - 3:640/1231 (tfb-bbs.org)

    ... Platinum Xpress & Wildcat!..... Nice!!!!
    --- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v7.0
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  • From Rudi Timmermans@2:292/140 to TERRY ROATI on Sunday, June 02, 2019 15:19:20
    Hi Terry,

    Are there any real benefits to running it on a tablet other than convience?

    I run it on my phone for some time now, i found it a lot easy to run it on a phone then on a PC as almost everthing works now on a phone and i use my PC less and less then before....

    Greetings,

    Rudi

    --- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Toy-4
    * Origin: X-TReMe BBS (2:292/140)
  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to TERRY ROATI on Sunday, June 02, 2019 22:10:45
    Terry,

    Are there any real benefits to running it on a tablet other than
    convience?

    The size of the screen ... readability.

    \%/@rd

    --- D'Bridge 3.99
    * Origin: Do not meddle in the affairs of wizards (2:292/854)
  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Rudi Timmermans on Sunday, June 02, 2019 22:11:18
    Rudi,

    I run it on my phone for some time now, i found it a lot easy to run it
    on a phone then on a PC as almost everthing works now on a phone and i
    use my PC less and less then before....

    You cannot run Aftershock on a PC.

    \%/@rd

    --- D'Bridge 3.99
    * Origin: Do not meddle in the affairs of wizards (2:292/854)
  • From TERRY ROATI@3:640/1321 to Rudi Timmermans on Monday, June 03, 2019 09:08:36
    Hi Rudi,

    I should have been more specific.

    1. So does it connect to a hub and download mail?

    2. If so, is mail stored on the phone?

    3. What doesn't work?

    I run a Wildcat BBS and using a tablet (android or apple) to login and read / reply mail is fine but it's not so good with a smart phone due to the screen resolution. If there were specific screens for phones it would help.

    Thanks,

    Terry

    On Jun 02, 2019 03:18pm, Rudi Timmermans wrote to TERRY ROATI:

    Hi Terry,

    Are there any real benefits to running it on a tablet other than
    convience?

    I run it on my phone for some time now, i found it a lot easy to run it
    on a phone then on a PC as almost everthing works now on a phone and i
    use my PC less and less then before....

    Greetings,

    Rudi

    --- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Toy-4
    * Origin: X-TReMe BBS (2:292/140)

    Terry - 3:640/1231 (tfb-bbs.org)

    ... Platinum Xpress & Wildcat!..... Nice!!!!
    --- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v7.0
    * Origin: The File Bank BBS! (3:640/1321)
  • From Rudi Timmermans@2:292/140 to Ward Dossche on Monday, June 03, 2019 06:53:24
    Hi Ward,

    You cannot run Aftershock on a PC.

    You are wrong you can run it with an Android emulator on a PC there are emulators. Like for example Anbox....

    I dont mean on a PC i mean i use my PC less and use my Phone more then my PC.

    Rudi

    --- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Toy-4
    * Origin: X-TReMe BBS (2:292/140)
  • From Rudi Timmermans@2:292/140 to TERRY ROATI on Monday, June 03, 2019 06:58:10
    Hi Terry,

    1. So does it connect to a hub and download mail?

    Yes it do.

    2. If so, is mail stored on the phone?

    Yes it store the echomail/netmail into a sql database on your phone or sd card.

    3. What doesn't work?

    For now the incomming part is limit as for example incomming would not toss automatic but only on next poll, but this would be change after new updates comming out.

    You can not add shedule poll and need to poll manual on your hub.

    This are the 2 main stuff that's not completed yet.

    When you poll manual everything works like it should be.

    Rudi

    --- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Toy-4
    * Origin: X-TReMe BBS (2:292/140)
  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Rudi Timmermans on Monday, June 03, 2019 07:49:40
    Rudi,

    You are wrong you can run it with an Android emulator on a PC there are emulators. Like for example Anbox....

    I was under the distinct impression it couldn't be done, but when you say so, I'll believe it.

    \%/@rd

    --- D'Bridge 3.99
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  • From TERRY ROATI@3:640/1321 to Rudi Timmermans on Monday, June 03, 2019 17:19:04
    Appreciate the update, sounds perfect for points and countries / people who can't afford a PC.

    On Jun 03, 2019 06:57am, Rudi Timmermans wrote to TERRY ROATI:

    Hi Terry,

    1. So does it connect to a hub and download mail?

    Yes it do.

    2. If so, is mail stored on the phone?

    Yes it store the echomail/netmail into a sql database on your phone or
    sd card.

    3. What doesn't work?

    For now the incomming part is limit as for example incomming would not toss automatic but only on next poll, but this would be change after
    new updates comming out.

    You can not add shedule poll and need to poll manual on your hub.

    This are the 2 main stuff that's not completed yet.

    When you poll manual everything works like it should be.

    Rudi

    --- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Toy-4
    * Origin: X-TReMe BBS (2:292/140)

    ... Platinum Xpress & Wildcat!..... Nice!!!!
    --- Platinum Xpress/Win/WINServer v7.0
    * Origin: The File Bank BBS! (3:640/1321)
  • From Rudi Timmermans@2:292/140 to TERRY ROATI on Monday, June 03, 2019 11:48:32
    HI Terry,

    Appreciate the update, sounds perfect for points and countries / people who can't afford a PC.

    Well it can also use as a node like i do for example.

    But it's indeed a verry nice app. ;)

    Rudi

    --- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Toy-4
    * Origin: X-TReMe BBS (2:292/140)
  • From TERRY ROATI@3:640/1321 to Rudi Timmermans on Monday, June 03, 2019 21:34:42
    Rudi,

    What is the minimum version of android it requires?

    I think I have an old android tablet I may try it on.

    Where do I get the App.

    Thanks.

    Terry

    On Jun 03, 2019 11:47am, Rudi Timmermans wrote to TERRY ROATI:

    HI Terry,

    Appreciate the update, sounds perfect for points and countries / people
    who
    can't afford a PC.

    Well it can also use as a node like i do for example.

    But it's indeed a verry nice app. ;)

    Rudi

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  • From Rudi Timmermans@2:292/140 to TERRY ROATI on Monday, June 03, 2019 15:11:54
    Hi Terry,

    I'm Anatoly his beta tester of AfterShock app.

    What is the minimum version of android it requires?

    Well it should work from 2.3 and up ...

    I think I have an old android tablet I may try it on.

    Cool ;)

    Where do I get the App.

    Here:

    https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.asvcorp.aftershock&hl=en

    Greetings,

    Rudi

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  • From Henri Derksen@2:280/1208 to Ward Dossche on Monday, June 03, 2019 01:12:00
    Hello Ward,

    I already had an saw nothing. At your prompting I tried again on this PQ>> morning's Z2 daily: 2x nodes & 2x 'pvt' listings. No apparent contact PQ>> info... it could be hiding. Thank you.

    Kees Van Eeten has an interesting story about nodes in the nodelist ... "with" contact info ... which collapsed years ago, still in the
    nodelist, cannot be contacted.

    I follow all these messages about that subject.

    Nobody seems to care ...

    The ones who care, are not the *C's who have the power to correct it.

    Henri Derksen doesn't get upset.

    Of course I do not like that garbage in de NodeList.
    It does not help when I write about it, because I am just a leaf node,
    and the words from a host like Kees van Eeten have more power.
    And besides that, there are at least 2 more participants wining about it.
    Why should I also write about it? It does not give new info already present.

    He only gets upset about a node without contact info,

    Your horizon about what I get upset of is to small.
    I donot tell you all the items I do not like, or are against the rules.
    Trying to get everything corrected at the same time does not get place.

    whom he didn't know about in the first place

    Wrong assumption.

    until someone else with an axe to grind started stirring shit,

    Violation NodeList rules is indeed shit, not the messenger who reports it.
    And the name of that messenger should not make a difference.

    a node Henri never would poll direct in the first place.

    That doesnot matter, every listed node should be contactable during ZMH, excepted the ones who are listed Hold or Down.

    But at this moment I have some technical issues about connecting, routing and crashing, because my POTS is not usable with a defect RS232 card inn the PC, and at the IP machine, I only have a mailer, not a maileditor, tosser, scanner etc. Both systems are under construction now, that's why I routed that private netmail in stead of direct crashing.

    When netmailing me even Henri also routes via his host at 2:280/5003 ...

    I did not know crashing was mandatory?
    The writer declares how the message will be delivered,
    i.e. direct, crash, routed, or only during ZMH, or even on hold.
    The receiver has no say in it, simple he?
    If you really wanted it crash, you also could have asked it.
    But I am fairly sure my Host does not read netmail from and to others he is not
    part of the sender or receiver.

    Politics,

    Keeping the nodelist clean and conform the rules has nothing to do with politics, but are only technical.

    Hot day today. I'm making myself scarce.

    Indeed hot outside.
    In my home it is relatively cool, i.e. 25.7 oC in this computerroom.
    Only when it is more than 3 day above 30 oC, inside temps are the same as outside. So good isolation makes getting the same temp much slower.

    I went outside with a hat to make a walk alongside inland tugs in Vianen.
    It's not good to stay the whole day inside the house, before or behind computers ;-).
    Nowadays I have to walk or cycle at least 30 minutes every day.

    Henri.

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  • From Henri Derksen@2:280/1208 to David Drummond on Monday, June 03, 2019 01:28:00
    Hello David,

    I wasn't afraid that I'd missed out on something (I don't have the
    mobile bandwidth/volume to support a node, and no plan to increase it)

    Let's count.
    What I got in 24h at june 2 2019 was only 80 kB EchoMail.
    That's very little for both a fixed or a mobile system.

    rather I just hadn't thought of doing FIDONET by mobile.

    You could think about it when on the move with your lovely pickup camper.
    I have choosen to not be connectable on the move when I am sailing,
    so no InterNet and no FidoNet on board the ships I sail with and sleep at.

    With the information I now have, U,MOB is only possible as a PVT Node
    or a Point.
    You may think about it.
    The package is called AfterShock, but donot ask me the details, as I donot have
    them. A good search engine can be your friend.

    Henri.

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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to Henri Derksen on Thursday, June 06, 2019 08:13:31
    On 3/06/2019 01:28, Henri Derksen -> David Drummond wrote:

    I wasn't afraid that I'd missed out on something (I don't have the
    mobile bandwidth/volume to support a node, and no plan to increase it)

    Let's count.
    What I got in 24h at june 2 2019 was only 80 kB EchoMail.
    That's very little for both a fixed or a mobile system.

    Much of Australia is NOT covered by mobile connections - and I am inclined to tour those places.

    Even here where I live the reception is very poor.

    rather I just hadn't thought of doing FIDONET by mobile.

    You could think about it when on the move with your lovely pickup camper. I have choosen to not be connectable on the move when I am sailing,
    so no InterNet and no FidoNet on board the ships I sail with and sleep at.

    With the information I now have, U,MOB is only possible as a PVT Node
    or a Point.
    You may think about it.
    The package is called AfterShock, but donot ask me the details, as I
    donot have them. A good search engine can be your friend.

    I had the impression that Aftershock was a message reader, not a full blown FTN
    node.


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    Gang warily
    David

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to David Drummond on Thursday, June 06, 2019 01:50:53
    Even here where I live the reception is very poor.

    Receptions without alcohol are not my thing anyway.

    \%/@rd

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  • From David Drummond@3:640/305 to Ward Dossche on Thursday, June 06, 2019 14:54:50
    On 6/06/2019 01:50, Ward Dossche -> David Drummond wrote:

    Even here where I live the reception is very poor.

    Receptions without alcohol are not my thing anyway.

    Not been consuming alcohol of late - but I don't think that affects the 4G reception.

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    Gang warily
    David

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  • From andrew clarke@3:633/267 to Ward Dossche on Sunday, June 09, 2019 23:22:30
    02 Jun 19 11:00, you wrote to David Drummond:

    I just hadn't thought of doing FIDONET by mobile.

    It's limited in possibilities at the moment but possible. There are 2 packages that run on Android doing the trick. My 2:292/854.1 is one on a tablet. It also runs from a phone but I guess the screens are very tiny then.

    I've been experimenting with Termux over the weekend. It's a free Ubuntu-like terminal for Android devices, where "apt install" command familiar to Debian and Ubuntu users can be used.

    https://termux.com/

    "apt install build-essential" will then allow you to build C/C++ programs on your tablet or phone.

    You can also run Python 3.7, Python 2.7 and Ruby apps.

    apt install python
    apt install python2
    apt install ruby

    "apt install dropbear" then "dropbear" will run an SSH server on the device (listening on port 8022) allowing you to connect to the Termux shell remotely.

    With Git and Subversion clients available it's possible to do a source checkout
    of various common Fido apps.

    It turns out BinkD will compile from source in Termux without much trouble.

    Building the Husky programs (HPT primarily) takes a bit of patching, but they will eventually build.

    Despite its complexity, GoldED+ also builds, though I've not tried running it yet.

    With a small patch, timEd will also build.

    Whether any of the above is actually usable on a tablet or phone on a daily basis remains to be seen, but it's interesting and fairly remarkable that any of it works at all.

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  • From Rudi Timmermans@2:292/140 to andrew clarke on Sunday, June 09, 2019 17:13:56
    Hi David,

    I've been experimenting with Termux over the weekend. It's a free Ubuntu-like terminal for Android devices, where "apt install" command familiar to Debian and Ubuntu users can be used.

    https://termux.com/

    Nice work ;) But i would prefer to stay with AfterShock for now as this do the thing...

    Greetings,

    Rudi

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  • From Kees van Eeten@2:280/5003.4 to andrew clarke on Sunday, June 09, 2019 17:00:44
    Hello andrew!

    09 Jun 19 23:22, you wrote to Ward Dossche:

    I've been experimenting with Termux over the weekend. It's a free Ubuntu-like terminal for Android devices, where "apt install" command familiar to Debian and Ubuntu users can be used.

    https://termux.com/

    "apt install build-essential" will then allow you to build C/C++ programs on your tablet or phone.

    Sounds good. My phone is to old ;( Recent Androids seen to have access to
    a Linux like development mode as well.

    I am still not shure what to do. Buy a Tablet or a new netbook and
    dump Win10 in favour of Linux.

    Running Linux apps on Windos, as MS is getting ready for, is out of the
    question, as a matter of principle.

    Kees

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  • From Tony Langdon@3:633/410 to andrew clarke on Monday, June 10, 2019 09:31:00
    On 06-09-19 23:22, andrew clarke wrote to Ward Dossche <=-

    I've been experimenting with Termux over the weekend. It's a free Ubuntu-like terminal for Android devices, where "apt install" command familiar to Debian and Ubuntu users can be used.

    https://termux.com/

    That's pretty cool. Will be interesting to see what installs and what doesn't.

    "apt install build-essential" will then allow you to build C/C++
    programs on your tablet or phone.

    You can also run Python 3.7, Python 2.7 and Ruby apps.

    apt install python
    apt install python2
    apt install ruby

    "apt install dropbear" then "dropbear" will run an SSH server on the device (listening on port 8022) allowing you to connect to the Termux shell remotely.

    That will simplify things in some ways.

    With Git and Subversion clients available it's possible to do a source checkout of various common Fido apps.

    It turns out BinkD will compile from source in Termux without much trouble.

    Building the Husky programs (HPT primarily) takes a bit of patching,
    but they will eventually build.

    Despite its complexity, GoldED+ also builds, though I've not tried
    running it yet.

    Would be good to have a library of what builds and what doesn't, as well as any needed patches.

    With a small patch, timEd will also build.

    Whether any of the above is actually usable on a tablet or phone on a daily basis remains to be seen, but it's interesting and fairly
    remarkable that any of it works at all.

    Time will tell, but certainly interesting.


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