• 2019 FTSC Standing Member Election - Call for Nominations

    From Andrew Leary@1:320/219 to All on Monday, November 04, 2019 19:52:00
    2019 FTSC election, call for nominations
    ========================================


    An election for FTSC standing members starts on Sunday, 10th of
    November 2019 at 20:00 UTC.

    As per FTA-1000.002 the number of FTSC members should be no less than
    7 and no more than 30. Presently there are 14 FTSC members; 8 of those
    have terms expiring. That leaves room for a maximum of 30-(14-8)=24
    members to be elected.

    From FTA-1001.007

    3.2 FTSC Standing Members
    -------------------------

    FTSC members are appointed for a two year renewable term. [50 % of
    appointments on initial formation of the FTSC shall be for a 3 year
    renewable term, to ensure continuity of the Committee on expiry of
    the terms.]

    To be selected as a FTSC member, an individual must be a Fidonet
    node, and should be actively involved in Fidonet. Examples include
    having put out a Fidonet-related product or having updated a product
    in the preceding two years, or having experience as a Coordinator,
    Echomail Coordinator or mail or file Hub.

    Standing members may be nominated Fidonet-wide by all of the
    following methods:

    1. Any RC.
    2. A nominating committee established for the purpose by the FTSC.
    3. A nominating committee established for the purpose by the ZCC.

    A nominating committee may not consist of any current member or
    officer of the FTSC.

    Standing members are appointed on the basis of a vote by all RCs
    who are nodelisted as holding those positions at the time the
    nominations are published. A successful candidate must receive
    approval by a majority of votes.
    Publication of the nomination and the voting procedure, and posting
    of RC votes, shall take place openly in the FTSC_PUBLIC echo, and
    voting shall close three weeks after publication of the vote.

    The status of RC's will be determined by nodelist.305 of this year by
    the list as issued by the ZC in the zone where they reside.

    All RCs and members of a nominating committee are hereby
    invited to nominate members. Nominations must be posted in the
    FTSC_PUBLIC echo.

    Nominations start at Sunday, 10 November 2019, 20:00 UTC and end at
    Sunday, 1 December 2019, 20:00 UTC.

    Nominators are advised to sound out prospective nominees before
    filing a nomination. There is little or no point in nominating
    someone that has not shown interest and expressed willingness to
    accept.

    Note to candidates: The main task of the FTSC is to document current
    practise. Contrary to what the name suggests, the FTSC does not create standards out of the blue. Current Fidonet practise evolves and when
    it has stabilized, it may become a standard through FTSC documentation.
    Also, the FTSC is not an enforcement body. Those who wish to join the
    FTSC in order to "engineer Fidonet" may be in for a disappointment.
    Our main job is that of a clerk. We write the technical manual, we do
    not design the machine. To avoid disappointment, sysops interested in
    joining the FTSC are strongly advised to read the following documents:

    http://ftsc.org/docs/fta-1000.002
    http://ftsc.org/docs/fta-1001.007

    Andrew Leary
    FTSC Election Coordinator

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  • From Fabio Bizzi@2:335/364.1 to Michiel van der Vlist on Wednesday, November 13, 2019 07:54:34
    Hello Michiel!

    12 Nov 19 23:51, you wrote to Ward Dossche:

    [...]

    Case 2: The Z4 part of the nodelist was not properly distributed to
    all ZCs. The IC has failed his duty as laid out in P4, 1.2.7. So which
    is it? Case 1 or Case 2?

    Michiel the IC is in charge from 23 October 2019, now we're on 13 November, do you think that an issue like the Z4 nodelist would been worked out in less than
    a month?

    The IC is quite old, I've tryied to improve him with the Italian Extra Virgin Olive Oil but also that miraculos potion need time to work properly. :P

    But I think that this rust can't be lubed with that oil. :(

    Take it easy, life is too short to worry about rust and fidonet need your expertise. :)

    Ciao!
    Fabio

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  • From Oli@2:280/464.47 to Ward Dossche on Wednesday, November 13, 2019 07:55:12
    Michiel,

    2:2/0 is the node number of the ZC2. There is no mention anywhere
    that this is the master list published by the IC as mentioned in
    P4. Also the accompanying TIC file does not present it as
    originating from 2:2/1000.

    Are you dying? Are you sick in any way? Is there anything we can do
    for you?

    STFU and stop your digusting personal attacks.

    --- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20180707
    * Origin: * nigirO (2:280/464.47)
  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Oli on Wednesday, November 13, 2019 09:59:58
    STFU and stop your digusting personal attacks.

    Time for you to get a node-number and contribute something ... anything ... Looking forward to that novell concept.

    \%/@rd

    --- D'Bridge 3.99
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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Fabio Bizzi on Wednesday, November 13, 2019 10:02:26
    Fabio,

    Michiel the IC is in charge from 23 October 2019, now we're on 13
    November, do you think that an issue like the Z4 nodelist would been
    worked out in less than a month?

    There's nothing for an IC to do in the case of the Z4 segment/nodelist. It's totally left to the Z4-people to handle it and if they don't then they don't. As you and other people have said, this is a hobby. But for selected individuals at times it is more than that, it is promoted to a forum to show-off how good they really think they are. Whether the rest of the community
    shares that point of view becomes rather irrelevant.

    The IC is quite old, I've tryied to improve him with the Italian Extra Virgin Olive Oil but also that miraculos potion need time to work
    properly. :P

    I've run-out. There's just an empty bottle left staring at me now and cheap mixed Spanish olive oil from dubious sources. At times I still sniff at the bottle though. :-)

    On the subject of age ... I am not "quite old" ... The past summer I spent primitive camping in the Rockies and should you ever come this way you are invited to the sailboat which I bought last year.... Michiel is older than me, as are certain others.

    \%/@rd

    --- D'Bridge 3.99
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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Michiel van der Vlist on Wednesday, November 13, 2019 10:02:43
    Michiel,

    So which is it? Case 1 or Case 2?

    You have been on my back, at certain periods more than other times, since March
    2007 when you were not appointed RC28 after Jan Vermeulen resigned.

    12 years should be fairly enough to get over it.

    If you want to push something across my desk again, you have been informed on how to proceed.

    Try to enjoy the remainder of this day, it only lasts 24 hours.

    \%/@rd

    --- D'Bridge 3.99
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  • From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to Ward Dossche on Wednesday, November 13, 2019 11:17:44
    Hello Ward,

    On Wednesday November 13 2019 10:02, you wrote to me:

    So which is it? Case 1 or Case 2?

    I see no answer to my question...

    You have been on my back, at certain periods more than other times,
    since March 2007 when you were not appointed RC28 after Jan Vermeulen resigned.

    Rewriting history AND pulling a Witt. Two fleas in one stroke. Congratulations.

    If you want to push something across my desk again, you have been
    informed on how to proceed.

    I have come to the conclusion that life is too short to bother with your power games.

    On-topic is all that desires interaction between the FTSC and the
    Fidonet community. Off-topic is everything else.

    To avoid moderator intervention, I will leave it at that.

    EOT.


    Cheers, Michiel

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  • From Oli@2:280/464.47 to Ward Dossche on Wednesday, November 13, 2019 10:56:39
    Time for you to get a node-number and contribute something ...
    anything ... Looking forward to that novell concept.

    Enlighten me. What has a node number with your habbit to insult people? Fidonet
    was once created to connect users between BBSes. Nowadays certain individuals compulsivly making fun of users and points because of their status. Or is it just a convenient and silly ad hominem attack?

    It also reminds me of a quote an IC once quoted: "When someones starts correcting your spelling or grammar in an on-line discussion, it's like acknowledging defeat. You know you just won the argument". Just replace the spelling part by node status ...

    Just in case you have not recognized my contributions: everytime you try to insult people I call bullshit until you stop that rude conduct.

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  • From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to Fabio Bizzi on Wednesday, November 13, 2019 13:05:00
    Hello Fabio,

    On Wednesday November 13 2019 07:54, you wrote to me:

    Michiel the IC is in charge from 23 October 2019,

    He has been IC before. He knows what he got himself into...

    now we're on 13 November, do you think that an issue like the Z4
    nodelist would been worked out in less than a month?

    No, I don't think so. I think it can not be solved at all. Not if one wants to have the omelet without breaking the eggs that is...

    I am not the one to bring up the issue of RC88 am I? Ward is just making waves for the sake of making waves. During the 11 years of my turn of holding the FTSC chair, I have tried over and over again to get the attention of the Z4 RCs. I never got a response. Not a single one. Not even an ACK that my messages
    were received. Ward knows just as well that Z4 is a ghost zone and that the Z4
    part of the nodelist does not reflect reality.

    The IC is quite old,

    68 going on 69...

    Take it easy, life is too short to worry about rust and fidonet need
    your expertise. :)

    If Fidonet needs my expertise, the powers that be have a strange way of showing
    it. :(

    Sorry, the time that I enjoyed carrying coal to Newcastle is gone. See my article in Fidonews of 28 October.

    I will leave it at that and clear the area so that my successor can do his job of running the election.


    Cheers, Michiel

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  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to Ward Dossche on Wednesday, November 13, 2019 10:27:00
    Ward Dossche wrote to Oli <=-

    STFU and stop your digusting personal attacks.

    Time for you to get a node-number and contribute something ...
    anything ... Looking forward to that novell concept.

    Well, you'll have to look backwards to see much of novell these
    days. Same thing with banyan. ;-)



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  • From Tommi Koivula@2:221/0.1 to Ward Dossche on Wednesday, November 13, 2019 14:11:50
    Hi Ward.

    13 Nov 19 09:59:58, you wrote to Oli:

    Time for you to get a node-number and contribute something ... anything
    ... Looking forward to that novell
    concept.

    Why on earth should everyone get a node number? Isn't it nice to have users in fidonet?

    'Tommi

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  • From Fabio Bizzi@2:335/364.3 to Dan Clough on Wednesday, November 13, 2019 19:30:42
    Hello, Dan Clough.
    On 13/11/19 10:27 you wrote:

    Well, you'll have to look backwards to see much of novell these
    days. Same thing with banyan. ;-)
    Banyan Vines, a jump into the past!

    Not too lucky for a net o.s.

    --
    Ciao! :)
    Fabio.
    --- Hotdoged/2.13.5/Android
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  • From Dale Barnes@1:106/201 to Dan Clough on Wednesday, November 13, 2019 17:29:38
    anything ... Looking forward to that novell concept.

    Well, you'll have to look backwards to see much of novell
    these
    days. Same thing with banyan. ;-)


    Banyan? I loved it when it came out. Very $$ but the company I worked for was
    installing it at utility companies. Was pretty nice.


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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Michiel van der Vlist on Thursday, November 14, 2019 22:13:42
    Michiel,

    On Tuesday November 12 2019 15:52, you wrote to me:
    ^^^^^
    What time zone? Thers is no TZUTC kludge in your mesaages.

    I hope it is now to your liking. Nick Andre was kind enough to tell me how to set it.

    Quite a relief, I expect, now that you know my timezone. We live some 113km (70
    miles) from eachother in a NE-axis so there was no way for you to know my timezone.

    \%/@rd

    --- D'Bridge 3.99
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  • From Paul Quinn@3:640/1384 to Coordinator on Thursday, November 21, 2019 11:03:16
    Hi! Andrew,

    On 11 Nov 19 03:12, Andrew Leary wrote to All:

    2019 FTSC election, call for nominations

    I wish to nominate: Deon George, sysop 3:633/509, as a candidate.


    NOTE:
    ----

    To current members of the FTSC whose tenures are expiring in December 2019, and
    who would seek re-election, please netmail me -before- the end of the nomination period. Or else...

    Cheers,
    Paul.

    ... May your sails be dry and blade slick with blood! =B^)
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  • From Andrew Leary@1:320/219 to Paul Quinn on Wednesday, November 20, 2019 23:29:53
    Hello Paul!

    21 Nov 19 11:03, you wrote to Coordinator:

    I wish to nominate: Deon George, sysop 3:633/509, as a candidate.

    ACK.

    Andrew
    FTSC Election Coordinator

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  • From Deon George@3:633/509 to Andrew Leary on Thursday, November 21, 2019 16:47:18
    Re: 2019 FTSC Standing Member Election - Call for Nominations
    By: Paul Quinn to Coordinator on Thu Nov 21 2019 11:03 am

    I wish to nominate: Deon George, sysop 3:633/509, as a candidate.

    I accept :)
    ...

    ... The older you get, the more important is is not to act your age.
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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Deon George on Thursday, November 21, 2019 08:59:20
    Deon,

    I wish to nominate: Deon George, sysop 3:633/509, as a candidate.

    I accept :)

    Interesting.

    You have been present in Fidonet for a year and 5 months 1993.04.16->1994.09.16, that's like 25 years ago, and then again from 2018.08.22 till now. That's also about one year and 5 months.

    In the election rules Andrew Leary wrote:

    "To be selected as a FTSC member, an individual must be a Fidonet
    node, and should be actively involved in Fidonet. Examples include
    having put out a Fidonet-related product or having updated a product
    in the preceding two years, or having experience as a Coordinator,
    Echomail Coordinator or mail or file Hub."

    I am very interested to learn where this all fits in. Undoubtedly you will post
    something of that nature real soon.

    My concern is we do not need another person seeking a title or thinking it is important to have zonal representation ... there are absolutely incompetent people already in the FTSC. So if you qualify technically, I am eager to find out.

    Take care,

    \%/@rd

    --- D'Bridge 3.99
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  • From Alexey Vissarionov@2:5020/545 to Deon George on Thursday, November 21, 2019 12:21:12
    Good ${greeting_time}, Deon!

    21 Nov 2019 16:47:18, you wrote to Andrew Leary:

    I wish to nominate: Deon George, sysop 3:633/509, as a candidate.
    I accept :)

    Now here comes first question to a candidate: what Fidonet software have you developed (or even contributed to) recently? git clone what?

    ...




    --
    Alexey V. Vissarionov aka Gremlin from Kremlin
    gremlin.ru!gremlin; +vii-cmiii-ccxxix-lxxix-xlii

    ... that's why I really dislike fools.
    --- /bin/vi
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  • From Andrew Leary@1:320/219 to Deon George on Thursday, November 21, 2019 11:18:01
    Hello Deon!

    21 Nov 19 16:47, you wrote to me:

    I wish to nominate: Deon George, sysop 3:633/509, as a candidate.

    I accept :)

    ACK.

    Andrew
    FTSC Election Coordinator

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