• 2019 FTSC Standing Member Election - Time Frame

    From Andrew Leary@1:320/219 to All on Monday, November 04, 2019 19:54:25
    2019 FTSC standing member election, time frame
    ==============================================


    Submission of nominations:
    Sunday, 10 Nov 2019, 20:00 UTC - Sunday, 01 Dec 2019, 20:00 UTC

    Acceptance of nominations by candidates:
    Right after nomination - Sunday, 08 Dec 2019, 20:00 UTC

    Candidates MUST accept by posting a message in FTSC_PUBLIC in order
    to qualify, with the exception of self nominees. The message must
    originate from a node number that has the candidate listed as SysOp
    in NODELIST.305 as issued by the candidate's ZC.

    Candidates MAY campaign in FTSC_PUBLIC right after accepting their
    nomination. Everyone may challenge the candidates.

    Submission of votes:
    Sunday, 08 Dec 2019, 20:00 UTC - Sunday, 29 Dec 2019, 20:00 UTC

    Contesting of votes:
    Sunday, 29 Dec 2019, 20:00 UTC - Sunday, 05 Jan 2020, 20:00 UTC

    If no contest: installation of new members:
    Monday 06 Jan 2020.

    Andrew Leary
    FTSC Election Coordinator

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  • From Deon George@3:633/509 to Andrew Leary on Tuesday, November 05, 2019 14:54:48
    Re: 2019 FTSC Standing Member Election - Time Frame
    By: Andrew Leary to All on Mon Nov 04 2019 07:54 pm

    Candidates MUST accept by posting a message in FTSC_PUBLIC in order
    to qualify, with the exception of self nominees. The message must

    So self nomination is possible? If so, I'd like to nominate myself.
    ...

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  • From Terry Roati@3:640/1321 to Andrew Leary on Tuesday, November 05, 2019 15:34:40
    Hello Andrew,

    On Nov 04, 2019 07:59pm, Andrew Leary wrote to All:

    2019 FTSC standing member election, time frame
    ==============================================

    Does the FTSC put out a report on what they have done for say the past year
    and if so where is it posted?

    Thanks.


    Terry Roati

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  • From Andrew Leary@1:320/219 to Deon George on Tuesday, November 05, 2019 02:58:20
    Hello Deon!

    05 Nov 19 14:54, you wrote to me:

    So self nomination is possible? If so, I'd like to nominate myself. ...

    1. The nomination period opens on Sunday, November 10th, at 20:00 UTC.
    2. RCs and members of nominating committees (appointed by the FTSC or ZCC) are the only authorized parties to nominate a candidate for standing membership in the FTSC. The FTSC has not appointed a nominating committee, and to my knowledge, neither has the ZCC. Therefore, anyone interested in serving on the FTSC should solicit a nomination from an RC.

    Regards,

    Andrew
    FTSC Election Coordinator

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  • From Andrew Leary@1:320/219 to Terry Roati on Tuesday, November 05, 2019 03:05:55
    Hello Terry!

    05 Nov 19 15:34, you wrote to me:

    Does the FTSC put out a report on what they have done for say the past year and if so where is it posted?

    Historically, the FTSC has not done so. Any documents published by the FTSC are posted on the ftsc.org website, as well as being hatched in the FTSC fileecho.

    If the FidoNet community feels that such a report would be useful, I'm sure that we can come up with something going forward.

    Andrew
    FTSC Administrator

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  • From Alexey Vissarionov@2:5020/545 to Andrew Leary on Tuesday, November 05, 2019 12:34:56
    Good ${greeting_time}, Andrew!

    05 Nov 2019 02:58:20, you wrote to Deon George:

    So self nomination is possible? If so, I'd like to nominate myself.
    1. The nomination period opens on Sunday, November 10th, at 20:00
    UTC.
    2. RCs and members of nominating committees (appointed by the FTSC
    or ZCC) are the only authorized parties to nominate a candidate for standing membership in the FTSC. The FTSC has not appointed a
    nominating committee,

    Why? There was an excellent tradition to appoint it from the FTSC members who had their term expired, and they were the only people who were permitted to nominate themselves, as both RCs and ZCs _must_ _not_ (as in FTA-1006) be FTSC members.

    and to my knowledge, neither has the ZCC.

    They already have advisory voice as invited guests.

    Therefore, anyone interested in serving on the FTSC should solicit a nomination from an RC.

    I suspect this would leave some good candidates out-of-board. And instead pull in some real idiots (as F73 in ICD) without any option to vote them out.

    As usual.


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  • From Alexey Vissarionov@2:5020/545 to Andrew Leary on Tuesday, November 05, 2019 13:00:00
    Good ${greeting_time}, Andrew!

    05 Nov 2019 03:05:54, you wrote to Terry Roati:

    Does the FTSC put out a report on what they have done for say the
    past year and if so where is it posted?
    Historically, the FTSC has not done so. Any documents published by
    the FTSC are posted on the ftsc.org website, as well as being hatched
    in the FTSC fileecho.
    If the FidoNet community feels that such a report would be useful,
    I'm sure that we can come up with something going forward.

    Alas, we (FTSC) have almost nothing to be really proud of. In the recent 10 months we have only 230 messages in a private FTSC echoarea, which definitely are not to be called a "hot discussion" - that's normal _daily_ traffic for a really used echoarea.


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  • From Terry Roati@3:640/1321 to Andrew Leary on Tuesday, November 05, 2019 21:49:06
    On Nov 05, 2019 03:10am, Andrew Leary wrote to Terry Roati:

    Hello Terry!

    Historically, the FTSC has not done so. Any documents published by the FTSC are posted on the ftsc.org website, as well as being hatched in
    the FTSC fileecho.

    If the FidoNet community feels that such a report would be useful, I'm sure that we can come up with something going forward.

    A quick look at the FTSC website shows nothing for this year other than memeber vote documents.

    So it begs the question, what is being worked on and when can we expect a new document.

    This is not an attack, just trying to find out what's happening? With this informationn maybe more Sysops would be interested in the FTSC.

    Terry Roati

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  • From Andrew Leary@1:320/219 to Alexey Vissarionov on Tuesday, November 05, 2019 06:03:19
    Hello Alexey!

    05 Nov 19 12:34, you wrote to me:

    Why? There was an excellent tradition to appoint it from the FTSC
    members who had their term expired, and they were the only people who
    were permitted to nominate themselves, as both RCs and ZCs _must_
    _not_ (as in FTA-1006) be FTSC members.

    I haven't seen that done formally since I've been a member of the FTSC.

    and to my knowledge, neither has the ZCC.

    They already have advisory voice as invited guests.

    Therefore, anyone interested in serving on the FTSC should
    solicit a nomination from an RC.

    I suspect this would leave some good candidates out-of-board. And
    instead pull in some real idiots (as F73 in ICD) without any option to vote them out.

    Unfortunately, for years now the RCs have for the most part supported all candidates that were nominated. More often than not, expiring members end up being nominated again, just because they have been willing to serve in the past. Candidates are nominated in some cases for no reason other than to ensure that group <whatever> is represented.

    Andrew

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  • From Andrew Leary@1:320/219 to Alexey Vissarionov on Tuesday, November 05, 2019 06:29:14
    Hello Alexey!

    05 Nov 19 13:00, you wrote to me:

    Alas, we (FTSC) have almost nothing to be really proud of. In the
    recent 10 months we have only 230 messages in a private FTSC echoarea, which definitely are not to be called a "hot discussion" - that's
    normal _daily_ traffic for a really used echoarea.

    Agreed. Progress has been very slow. I'm hoping that after the election we will be able to move forward more quickly and get some of the backlog reviewed and updated.

    I also feel that the whole election/selection process for FTSC members needs an overhaul.

    Andrew


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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Alexey Vissarionov on Tuesday, November 05, 2019 06:19:40
    Therefore, anyone interested in serving on the FTSC should solicit a nomination from an RC.

    I suspect this would leave some good candidates out-of-board. And
    instead pull in some real idiots (as F73 in ICD) without any option to vote them out.

    It shouldn't as long as the RCs are awake.

    I know that our own RC here in R17 is awake and always asks the nodes in
    R17 for their thoughts and opinions. I'm not so sure about the situation
    in other regions.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Fabio Bizzi@2:335/364.1 to Alan Ianson on Tuesday, November 05, 2019 15:55:52
    Hello Alan!

    05 Nov 19 06:19, you wrote to Alexey Vissarionov:

    It shouldn't as long as the RCs are awake.

    I know that our own RC here in R17 is awake and always asks the nodes
    in R17 for their thoughts and opinions. I'm not so sure about the situation in other regions.

    At the moment in R33 we are only 3 nodes (the fourth node answers to binkd calls but it's abandoned to itself so I have to prune it) and I think that none
    of us have the willing to candidate, but this is a good hint, I'll ask to my sysops if someone would like to apply. :)

    Thank for the hint. ;)

    Ciao!
    Fabio

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Fabio Bizzi on Tuesday, November 05, 2019 08:16:30
    At the moment in R33 we are only 3 nodes (the fourth node answers to
    binkd calls but it's abandoned to itself so I have to prune it)

    That node may be busy with stuff (life can be that way) but it sounds
    like it is up and running. Maybe that node will wake up one day.

    and I think that none of u have the willing to candidate, but this
    is a good hint, I'll ask to my sysops f someone would like to
    apply. :)

    If you can find a willing candidate in your region we would like to hear
    about it.. :)

    I wish you and all the R33 nodes good wishes.


    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Alexey Vissarionov on Tuesday, November 05, 2019 17:03:42
    Alexey,

    I suspect this would leave some good candidates out-of-board. And instead pull in some real idiots (as F73 in ICD) without any option to vote them out.

    As usual.

    Correct. That is an ongoing head-ache.

    \%/@rd

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  • From Alexey Vissarionov@2:5020/545 to Andrew Leary on Wednesday, November 06, 2019 01:12:22
    Good ${greeting_time}, Andrew!

    05 Nov 2019 06:03:18, you wrote to me:

    Why? There was an excellent tradition to appoint it from the FTSC
    members who had their term expired, and they were the only people
    who were permitted to nominate themselves, as both RCs and ZCs
    _must_ _not_ (as in FTA-1006) be FTSC members.
    I haven't seen that done formally since I've been a member of the
    FTSC.

    Nice coincidence: it was last used in 2010, when you were first elected.

    Therefore, anyone interested in serving on the FTSC should
    solicit a nomination from an RC.
    I suspect this would leave some good candidates out-of-board.
    And instead pull in some real idiots (as F73 in ICD) without
    any option to vote them out.
    Unfortunately, for years now the RCs have for the most part
    supported all candidates that were nominated.

    Yes - mostly because they (in majority) don't really care.

    More often than not, expiring members end up being nominated
    again, just because they have been willing to serve in the past.

    And this produces the most destructive effect of populating the FTSC with mentally retarded^W^W ignoramii (is this the correct plural form for the "ignoramus"?) instead of technical experts.

    Candidates are nominated in some cases for no reason other than
    to ensure that group <whatever> is represented.

    We don't need disabled lesbian niggers or other "groups" here - we need technical experts who are able to collect, process and document the common technical practices.


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  • From Paul Quinn@1:1/0 to Alexey Vissarionov on Wednesday, November 06, 2019 08:40:28
    Hi! Alexey,

    On 11/06/2019 08:12 AM, you wrote to Andrew Leary:

    And this produces the most destructive effect of populating the FTSC
    with mentally retarded^W^W ignoramii (is this the correct plural form
    for the "ignoramus"?) instead of technical experts.

    Probably "...es", as in "ignoramuses". You're talking English not Vulgar Latin.

    Cheers,
    Paul.

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  • From Andrew Leary@1:320/219 to Alexey Vissarionov on Tuesday, November 05, 2019 17:29:35
    Hello Alexey!

    06 Nov 19 01:12, you wrote to me:

    Why? There was an excellent tradition to appoint it from the
    FTSC members who had their term expired, and they were the only
    people who were permitted to nominate themselves, as both RCs
    and ZCs _must_ _not_ (as in FTA-1006) be FTSC members.
    I haven't seen that done formally since I've been a member of the
    FTSC.

    Nice coincidence: it was last used in 2010, when you were first
    elected.

    That explains that. I'm certainly open to reviving that tradition, along with possibly making other changes to the nomination and voting process to address your other concerns.

    Therefore, anyone interested in serving on the FTSC should
    solicit a nomination from an RC.
    I suspect this would leave some good candidates out-of-board.
    And instead pull in some real idiots (as F73 in ICD) without
    any option to vote them out.
    Unfortunately, for years now the RCs have for the most part
    supported all candidates that were nominated.

    Yes - mostly because they (in majority) don't really care.

    Right.

    More often than not, expiring members end up being nominated
    again, just because they have been willing to serve in the past.

    And this produces the most destructive effect of populating the FTSC
    with mentally retarded^W^W ignoramii (is this the correct plural form
    for the "ignoramus"?) instead of technical experts.

    Unfortunately this will be difficult to counteract. As long as the RCs are both the primary source of nominations and the voters, we are at their mercy with regards to their selections.

    Candidates are nominated in some cases for no reason other than
    to ensure that group <whatever> is represented.

    We don't need disabled lesbian niggers or other "groups" here - we
    need technical experts who are able to collect, process and document
    the common technical practices.

    Exactly.

    Regards,

    Andrew

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Alexey Vissarionov on Tuesday, November 05, 2019 22:39:50
    More often than not, expiring members end up being nominated
    again, just because they have been willing to serve in the past.

    And this produces the most destructive effect of populating the FTSC
    with mentally retarded^W^W ignoramii (is this the correct plural form
    for the "ignoramus"?) instead of technical experts.

    I don't know what goes on in the FTSC.

    Is this really an issue within the FTSC, that causes disatrous effects?

    We don't need disabled lesbian niggers or other "groups" here - we need technical experts who are able to collect, process and document the
    common technical practices.

    A panel of experts would be most welcome regardless of sexual preferences
    or skin colour. I'd be happy with a group of people who care about
    fidonet, the publishing of standards and an ability and willingness to
    work with others who may be "different".

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Alan Ianson on Wednesday, November 06, 2019 08:54:50
    I don't know what goes on in the FTSC.

    I do.

    Is this really an issue within the FTSC, that causes disastrous effects?

    IMHO, yes.





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  • From Fabio Bizzi@2:335/364.1 to Alan Ianson on Wednesday, November 06, 2019 08:16:04
    Hello Alan!

    05 Nov 19 08:16, you wrote to me:

    At the moment in R33 we are only 3 nodes (the fourth node answers
    to binkd calls but it's abandoned to itself so I have to prune
    it)

    That node may be busy with stuff (life can be that way) but it sounds
    like it is up and running. Maybe that node will wake up one day.

    This is a long story, that node is the node of the former RC, with whom I and the present ZC had troubles in the past.
    Let me say that the node still present itself as 2:33/0 in the binkd sessions. :(

    I don't know why i'm waiting to prune it, maybe an afterthought and a new will to get into again, but the hope is vanishing.

    Technically the node is accepting mail, so I don't know if I can remove it from
    the nodelist only because the operator doesn't communicate or because he announce a wrong node number.

    If you can find a willing candidate in your region we would like to
    hear about it.. :)

    No doubt. ;)

    I wish you and all the R33 nodes good wishes.

    Many thanks, we need! :)

    Ciao!
    Fabio

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Fabio Bizzi on Wednesday, November 06, 2019 00:13:06
    This is a long story, that node is the node of the former RC, with whom
    I and the present ZC had troubles in the past.
    Let me say that the node still present itself as 2:33/0 in the binkd sessions. :(

    That is a critical error, a bad one. I would prune that node immediately
    and when and if that node presents a willingness and desire to configure
    his mailer properly can be reinstated if they want.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Oli@2:280/464.47 to Alexey Vissarionov on Wednesday, November 06, 2019 09:55:23
    And this produces the most destructive effect of populating the FTSC
    with mentally retarded^W^W ignoramii (is this the correct plural form
    for the "ignoramus"?) instead of technical experts.

    We don't need disabled lesbian niggers or other "groups" here - we
    need technical experts who are able to collect, process and document
    the common technical practices.

    What drugs did you snort? Or is this your usual way of communicating? Insulting
    others for now reason.


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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Oli on Wednesday, November 06, 2019 10:55:43
    What drugs did you snort? Or is this your usual way of communicating? Insulting others for now reason.

    Pot ... Kettle ... Black

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  • From Alexey Vissarionov@2:5020/545 to Alan Ianson on Wednesday, November 06, 2019 14:44:44
    Good ${greeting_time}, Alan!

    05 Nov 2019 22:39:50, you wrote to me:

    And this produces the most destructive effect of populating the FTSC
    with mentally retarded^W^W ignoramii (is this the correct plural form
    for the "ignoramus"?) instead of technical experts.
    I don't know what goes on in the FTSC.

    In general: nothing.

    Is this really an issue within the FTSC, that causes disatrous
    effects?

    Unius pecudis scabies totum communiculat gregem (one scabby sheep will mar a whole flock).

    Alas, we have more than one.

    We don't need disabled lesbian niggers or other "groups" here -
    we need technical experts who are able to collect, process and
    document the common technical practices.
    A panel of experts would be most welcome regardless of sexual
    preferences or skin colour.

    Yes - that's what I mean answering to "ensure that group <whatever> is represented".

    I'd be happy with a group of people who care about fidonet, the
    publishing of standards and an ability and willingness to work with
    others who may be "different".

    I simply don't care. "When you are talking with someone over the net, just consider you are talking with a cat".

    And, of course: meow :-)


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  • From Carol Shenkenberger@1:275/100 to Alexey Vissarionov on Wednesday, November 06, 2019 17:41:20
    Re: 2019 FTSC Standing Member Election - self-nominees
    By: Alexey Vissarionov to Andrew Leary on Tue Nov 05 2019 12:34 pm

    Good ${greeting_time}, Andrew!

    05 Nov 2019 02:58:20, you wrote to Deon George:

    So self nomination is possible? If so, I'd like to nominate myself.
    1. The nomination period opens on Sunday, November 10th, at 20:00
    UTC.
    2. RCs and members of nominating committees (appointed by the FTSC
    or ZCC) are the only authorized parties to nominate a candidate for standing membership in the FTSC. The FTSC has not appointed a nominating committee,

    Why? There was an excellent tradition to appoint it from the FTSC members wh had their term expired, and they were the only people who were permitted to nominate themselves, as both RCs and ZCs _must_ _not_ (as in FTA-1006) be FT members.

    and to my knowledge, neither has the ZCC.

    They already have advisory voice as invited guests.

    Therefore, anyone interested in serving on the FTSC should solicit a nomination from an RC.

    I suspect this would leave some good candidates out-of-board. And instead pu in some real idiots (as F73 in ICD) without any option to vote them out.

    As usual.


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    Actually, we might need to revisit that document. I thought we fixed it but I guess not. We've allowed RC's for some time and allowed exceptions to the ZC situation as well.

    xxcarol
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  • From Carol Shenkenberger@1:275/100 to Deon George on Wednesday, November 06, 2019 17:42:51
    Re: 2019 FTSC Standing Member Election - Time Frame
    By: Deon George to Andrew Leary on Tue Nov 05 2019 02:54 pm

    Re: 2019 FTSC Standing Member Election - Time Frame
    By: Andrew Leary to All on Mon Nov 04 2019 07:54 pm

    Candidates MUST accept by posting a message in FTSC_PUBLIC in order
    to qualify, with the exception of self nominees. The message must

    So self nomination is possible? If so, I'd like to nominate myself.
    ...

    ... The nicest thing about growing older is that it takes such a long time.

    Hi Deon, Could you tell me a bit about yourself? I see it's a little too early for nominations but that doesn't mean some others if they knew more about you, from recommending you to our RC's with a background on why.

    xxcarol
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  • From Carol Shenkenberger@1:275/100 to Andrew Leary on Wednesday, November 06, 2019 18:02:50
    Re: 2019 FTSC Standing Member Election - Time Frame
    By: Andrew Leary to Alexey Vissarionov on Tue Nov 05 2019 06:29 am

    Hello Alexey!

    05 Nov 19 13:00, you wrote to me:

    Alas, we (FTSC) have almost nothing to be really proud of. In the recent 10 months we have only 230 messages in a private FTSC echoarea, which definitely are not to be called a "hot discussion" - that's normal _daily_ traffic for a really used echoarea.

    Agreed. Progress has been very slow. I'm hoping that after the election we will be able to move forward more quickly and get some of the backlog review and updated.

    I also feel that the whole election/selection process for FTSC members needs an overhaul.

    Andrew



    I started some thoughts on a revision that codifies Guest Members. It used to be there very long ago but went away. Looks like it belongs in FTA-1000.2 (will be FTA-1000.3 on release if so).

    2.6 Guest Members
    ---------

    Guest members are invited either temporarily for expertise in a specific area or for wide ranging knowledge of zone operations. All sitting ZCs are automatically guest members. The IC position, when filled, is automatically a guest member. Guest members may be removed at need with a simple majority vote of the membership. The FTSC administrator is to assist all new guest members with obtaining a suitable feed to the FTSC echo.


    (workable for a start).

    xxcarol
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  • From Carol Shenkenberger@1:275/100 to Alan Ianson on Wednesday, November 06, 2019 18:36:34
    Re: Re: 2019 FTSC Standing Member Election - self-nominees
    By: Alan Ianson to Alexey Vissarionov on Tue Nov 05 2019 10:39 pm

    More often than not, expiring members end up being nominated
    again, just because they have been willing to serve in the past.

    And this produces the most destructive effect of populating the FTSC with mentally retarded^W^W ignoramii (is this the correct plural form for the "ignoramus"?) instead of technical experts.

    I don't know what goes on in the FTSC.

    Is this really an issue within the FTSC, that causes disatrous effects?

    We don't need disabled lesbian niggers or other "groups" here - we need technical experts who are able to collect, process and document the common technical practices.

    A panel of experts would be most welcome regardless of sexual preferences
    or skin colour. I'd be happy with a group of people who care about
    fidonet, the publishing of standards and an ability and willingness to
    work with others who may be "different".

    Ttyl :-),
    Al


    Hi Al, simple question and simple answer. No, it's not a problem that the members vary with what they are experienced at. In fact, it's has turned out to be a strength over all. It seems no matter what came up over the decades I've been there, someone had some level of knowledge to address it. Often several had it.

    That pertains today as well. Alexey speaks for example to areas not in my expertise area for the most part. He has 2-3 others whoever who can match and work out things. Mark and I often speak to nodelist issues with me adding bits on interzonal issues of potential changes. If a SQL problem comes up, I'm probably primary source there (SQL/PSQL/TSQL/SQL+/and Oracle BI). With Dallas, we even add Russian translation (grin).

    So, a lot of words to say: No, it's not a problem.

    xxcarol
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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Carol Shenkenberger on Wednesday, November 06, 2019 17:34:22
    Hi Al, simple question and simple answer. No, it's not a problem that
    the members vary with what they are experienced at. In fact, it's has turned out to be a strength over all. It seems no matter what came up over the decades I've been there, someone had some level of knowledge to address it. Often several had it.

    That pertains today as well. Alexey speaks for example to areas not in
    my expertise area for the most part. He has 2-3 others whoever who can match and work out things. Mark and I often speak to nodelist issues
    with me adding bits on interzonal issues of potential changes. If a SQL problem comes up, I'm probably primary source there (SQL/PSQL/TSQL/SQL+/and Oracle BI). With Dallas, we even add Russian translation (grin).

    So, a lot of words to say: No, it's not a problem.

    Thank you Carol, that sounds more real world and doable.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Deon George@3:633/509 to Carol Shenkenberger on Thursday, November 07, 2019 12:38:07
    Re: 2019 FTSC Standing Member Election - Time Frame
    By: Carol Shenkenberger to Deon George on Wed Nov 06 2019 05:42 pm

    Hi Deon, Could you tell me a bit about yourself? I see it's a little too
    early for nominations but that doesn't mean some others if they knew more about
    you, from recommending you to our RC's with a
    background on why.

    Hi Carol,

    I was a BBS sysop in the 90's for a couple of years, and while over the last 10
    years I've often "reminisced" about it I only discovered that it actually still existed about 18 months ago. So I've been back online for the last 18 months or so.

    While I actually like the technology and I think its pretty awesome what was achieved back in the day - I'd like to see it progress taking advantage of today's available technologies (while keeping the legacy aspect of it). I also like the fact, that is kinda working alongside today's world - without the invasion (of commerical ads, spam, etc).

    As an example, I'm bringing back "videotex", but with ANSI, interBBS capable, so that a "network of BBSes" can be logically one large BBS, but still have its
    own personalisaiton on a part of it.

    (If you know/knew videotex - it was "Interactive Teletex", "page" based where pages were owned by service providers. I'm enabling BBSes to own a page prefix,
    so if you connect to any videotex enabled BBS, you could see all pages from that single location. I'm dont know if others will want to use what I'm creating, but I'm having fun reliving it and creating it.)

    Anyway, back to the topic - I know how to be a Hub, Host (was in the 90's for other networks, am today for other networks), I'm a nerd, I like solving problems with technical solutions. I can code, and have provided (not many) fixes and found problems in various BBS programs (MBSE, Synchronet mainly).

    So why am I putting my hat in to join the FTSC? I like to understand things from many angles before coming up with enhancements/improvements or another way
    of doing things. I dont know the FTSC, but I'm enjoying this technology and I would like to see it live on. I also know its a dying art, but at the moment I'm enthusiastic, so I'm keen to learn and help.
    ...

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  • From August Abolins@2:221/360 to Deon George on Thursday, November 07, 2019 20:32:13
    On 06/11/2019 8:38 p.m., Deon George : Carol Shenkenberger wrote
    ...in FTSC_PUBLIC:


    As an example, I'm bringing back "videotex", but with ANSI, interBBS
    capable, so that a "network of BBSes" can be logically one large BBS,
    but still have its own personalisaiton on a part of it.

    Hello Deon!

    Can I quote you on the matters of your videotex project in the FUTURE4FIDO echo? It sounds very interesting.

    Also, ..please drop by FUTURE4FIDO and feel free to provide more news about your project. It would be a perfect fit.

    Thanks!
    ...August

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  • From Deon George@3:633/509 to August Abolins on Friday, November 08, 2019 07:52:32
    Re: I'm bringing back "videotex"
    By: August Abolins to Deon George on Thu Nov 07 2019 08:32 pm

    Can I quote you on the matters of your videotex project in the FUTURE4FIDO
    echo? It sounds very interesting.

    Yes, for sure.

    Also, ..please drop by FUTURE4FIDO and feel free to provide more news
    about your project. It would be a perfect fit.

    OK, will do. I just want to improve a couple of things before I release it to the masses, but I have it basically working. You can see it in action on my BBS
    telnet://alterant.leenooks.net - you'll notice I'm running Synchronet, and when you get the option change the shell to Ansitex.
    ...

    ... Prepositions are not good words to end sentences with.
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  • From August Abolins@2:221/360 to Deon George on Saturday, November 09, 2019 02:00:38
    In a post between "Deon George : August Abolins", on 11/7/2019 3:52 PM

    You can see it in action on my BBS telnet:
    //alterant.leenooks.net - you'll notice I'm running Synchronet,
    and when you get the option change the shell to Ansitex....????

    For a second there I thought I would have to commit to antisex. That would not be so good.


    ..AA

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