• 2019 FTSC Standing Member Election - Nominations Status

    From Andrew Leary@1:320/219 to All on Wednesday, November 20, 2019 23:31:54
    Candidate Node nr. Nmntd by Accepted
    Deon George 3:633/509 RC54 No

    Regards,

    Andrew
    FTSC Election Coordinator

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  • From Andrew Leary@1:320/219 to All on Thursday, November 21, 2019 11:25:24
    Candidate Node nr. Nmntd by Accepted
    Deon George 3:633/509 RC54 Yes

    Regards,

    Andrew
    FTSC Election Coordinator

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  • From Andrew Leary@1:320/219 to All on Saturday, November 30, 2019 23:00:38
    Hello everybody!

    There are just under 16 hours to go; to be considered timely nominations must be posted in FTSC_PUBLIC before 20:00 UTC on Sunday, 2019-12-01.

    === Cut ===
    Candidate Node nr. Nmntd by Accepted
    Deon George 3:633/509 RC54 Yes

    === Cut ===

    Regards,

    Andrew
    FTSC Election Coordinator

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to All on Sunday, December 01, 2019 23:03:30
    There are just under 16 hours to go; to be considered timely nominations must be posted in FTSC_PUBLIC before 20:00 UTC on Sunday, 2019-12-01.

    === Cut ===
    Candidate Node nr. Nmntd by Accepted
    Deon George 3:633/509 RC54 Yes

    A special situation is developing ...

    * The FTSC must consist of at least 7 nodelisted sysops
    * There are currently 14 people in the FTSC with 8 mandates expiring
    * 6 mandates remain occupied
    * There is only 1 properly nominated sysop, therefore we have a critical
    situation.

    I do need to point out that this election, more than electing (or not) Deon George, is about the continuity of the FTSC because in case of non-election this body falls below the quorum of 7 and there is an issue. The documents in the FTSC-library are not specific about it but not reaching the quorum of 7 could imply the disbanding of the FTSC.

    Everybody involved in this procedure ... please think twice before casting your
    vote and creating a situation which Fidonet does not need.

    \%/@rd

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  • From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to Ward Dossche on Sunday, December 01, 2019 23:34:53
    Hello Ward,

    On Sunday December 01 2019 23:03, you wrote to All:

    A special situation is developing ...

    * The FTSC must consist of at least 7 nodelisted sysops
    * There are currently 14 people in the FTSC with 8 mandates expiring
    * 6 mandates remain occupied

    I'd like to point out that one of those 6 is MIA and has been for some time.

    Ozz Nixon 1:275/362 11 Mar 2021

    There is no node 1:275/362 in the nodelist. Ozz Nixon is no longer an FTSC Member...


    Cheers, Michiel

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Michiel van der Vlist on Sunday, December 01, 2019 15:10:40
    Hello Michiel,

    I'd like to point out that one of those 6 is MIA and has been for some time.

    Ozz Nixon 1:275/362 11 Mar 2021

    Ozz Nixon's 275/362 node does seem to be gone. I know that Ozz was on the move recently although I don't know if he changed nets or is changing nets.

    There is no node 1:275/362 in the nodelist. Ozz Nixon is no longer an
    FTSC Member...

    Ozz Nixon is listed as 1:1/123, PCBoard Help. Does that count?

    I have chatted with Ozz recently although we never talked about this. I never knew there was an issue.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to Alan Ianson on Monday, December 02, 2019 00:28:17
    Hello Alan,

    On Sunday December 01 2019 15:10, you wrote to me:

    There is no node 1:275/362 in the nodelist. Ozz Nixon is no
    longer an FTSC Member...

    Ozz Nixon is listed as 1:1/123, PCBoard Help. Does that count?

    + 22:29 [3636] call to 1:1/123@fidonet
    22:29 [3636] trying f123.n1.z1.binkp.net [107.155.113.11]...
    ? 22:30 [3636] connection to 1:1/123@fidonet failed: {W32 API error
    10065} A socket operation was attempted to an unreachable host
    22:30 [188] the queue is empty, quitting...

    So... I don't think so...


    Cheers, Michiel

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  • From Alexey Vissarionov@2:5020/545 to Ward Dossche on Monday, December 02, 2019 02:20:00
    Good ${greeting_time}, Ward!

    01 Dec 2019 23:03:30, you wrote to All:

    nominations must be posted in FTSC_PUBLIC before 20:00 UTC on
    Sunday, 2019-12-01.

    Well, now the nomination time is over.

    Candidate Node nr. Nmntd by Accepted
    Deon George 3:633/509 RC54 Yes
    A special situation is developing ...
    * The FTSC must consist of at least 7 nodelisted sysops
    * There are currently 14 people in the FTSC with 8 mandates expiring
    * 6 mandates remain occupied

    Out of those six, four are occupying various coordinator positions.
    Out of those six, zero are known as FTN software developers.
    Out of those six, three have some real knowledge and two are heavily brain-damaged (hint: they would be first asking me "who are they?").

    Do anyone remember what the "T" in "FTSC" was expected to mean?

    * There is only 1 properly nominated sysop, therefore we have a
    critical situation.
    I do need to point out that this election, more than electing (or
    not) Deon George, is about the continuity of the FTSC because in
    case of non-election this body falls below the quorum of 7 and
    there is an issue. The documents in the FTSC-library are not
    specific about it but not reaching the quorum of 7 could imply
    the disbanding of the FTSC.

    Who cares?

    Everybody involved in this procedure ... please think twice before
    casting your vote and creating a situation which Fidonet does not
    need.

    I guess the Fidonet also does not need the FNTC (non-technical committee).


    --
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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Michiel van der Vlist on Monday, December 02, 2019 01:21:54
    Michiel,

    I'd like to point out that one of those 6 is MIA and has been for some time.

    Ozz Nixon 1:275/362 11 Mar 2021

    There is no node 1:275/362 in the nodelist. Ozz Nixon is no longer an
    FTSC Member...

    I was unaware, but you seem to be correct. So there "is" and issue.

    In that case it may be up to the FTSC-chairman to handle it ... like put the election on hold and extend the nomination-period?

    I know that changing the rules of the game while the game has started already is "not done" but I think the special situation this places on the FTSC deserves special attention.

    Preventing a crash-landing of the FTSC suddenly ranks high on the agenda.

    \%/@rd

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Alan Ianson on Monday, December 02, 2019 01:38:45
    Ozz Nixon is listed as 1:1/123, PCBoard Help. Does that count?

    + 02 Dec 01:32:40 [5508] call to 1:1/123@fidonet
    02 Dec 01:32:41 [5508] trying saltairbbs.com [107.155.113.11]...
    ? 02 Dec 01:33:02 [5508] connection to 1:1/123@fidonet failed: {W32 API error 10060} Connection timed out

    What do you think ?

    \%/@rd

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  • From Terry Roati@3:640/1321 to Michiel Van Der Vlist on Monday, December 02, 2019 13:37:16
    On Dec 02, 2019 12:27am, Michiel van der Vlist wrote to Alan Ianson:

    MvdV> + 22:29 [3636] call to 1:1/123@fidonet
    MvdV> 22:29 [3636] trying f123.n1.z1.binkp.net [107.155.113.11]...
    MvdV> ? 22:30 [3636] connection to 1:1/123@fidonet failed: {W32 API error
    MvdV> 10065} A socket operation was attempted to an
    MvdV> unreachable host 22:30 [188] the queue is empty,
    MvdV> quitting...

    MvdV> So... I don't think so...

    Doesn't the rule simply state that the person had to be nodelisted on a
    certain date (Nov 05 from memory).

    Terry

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  • From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to Alexey Vissarionov on Monday, December 02, 2019 10:15:14
    Hello Alexey,

    On Monday December 02 2019 02:20, you wrote to Ward Dossche:

    * The FTSC must consist of at least 7 nodelisted sysops
    * There are currently 14 people in the FTSC with 8 mandates
    expiring * 6 mandates remain occupied

    Out of those six, four are occupying various coordinator positions.
    Out of those six, zero are known as FTN software developers.
    Out of those six, three have some real knowledge and two are heavily brain-damaged (hint: they would be first asking me "who are they?").

    Noted...

    Do anyone remember what the "T" in "FTSC" was expected to mean?

    case of non-election this body falls below the quorum of 7 and
    there is an issue. The documents in the FTSC-library are not
    specific about it but not reaching the quorum of 7 could imply
    the disbanding of the FTSC.

    Who cares?

    Let's face reality. Let's stop kicking a dead horse. Time to close shop.


    Cheers, Michiel

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  • From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to Ward Dossche on Monday, December 02, 2019 11:20:48
    Hello Ward,

    On Monday December 02 2019 01:21, you wrote to me:

    I was unaware, but you seem to be correct. So there "is" and issue.

    In that case it may be up to the FTSC-chairman to handle it ... like
    put the election on hold and extend the nomination-period?

    No.

    I know that changing the rules of the game while the game has started already is "not done"

    Indeed not done, so let's not do it.

    but I think the special situation this places on the FTSC deserves
    special attention.

    I say it is time to face reality. From the 6 members that were elected last year, one has dived under the rader only to emerge today. He should never have been elected in the first place. Another one only comes crawling out of the woodwork at election time. She never wrote a single line of documentation. The third is a PITA that has been in the FTSC for ages, but never wrote a single line of documentation either. The fourth... need I go on?

    From the nine members that were elected two years ago, one has left Fidonet. He
    told me in private that the circumstances of my resignation as FTSC chairman were of influence. The eight members who's term expires next Wednesday could easely have made some noise and gotten themselves re-elected. In fact half of them could have nominated themselves. The other half could easely have found a nominator. But they choose to not to make noise.

    As regarding the prime task of the FTSC: documentating current practise: nothing much has happened since you bullied me out of the FTSC chair.

    I say the signal is clear. The FTSC is brain dead. Let's stop flogging a dead horse. Time to face reality. Time to close shop.


    Cheers, Michiel

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  • From Oli@2:280/464.47 to Ward Dossche on Monday, December 02, 2019 14:26:34
    On Sun, 1 Dec 2019 23:03:30 +0100
    "Ward Dossche -> All" <0@854.292.2> wrote:

    A special situation is developing ...

    * The FTSC must consist of at least 7 nodelisted sysops
    * There are currently 14 people in the FTSC with 8 mandates expiring
    * 6 mandates remain occupied
    * There is only 1 properly nominated sysop, therefore we have a
    critical situation.

    Who cares if there are 6 or 7 members? What difference does it make?

    I do need to point out that this election, more than electing (or
    not) Deon George, is about the continuity of the FTSC because in case
    of non-election this body falls below the quorum of 7 and there is an issue. The documents in the FTSC-library are not specific about it
    but not reaching the quorum of 7 could imply the disbanding of the
    FTSC.

    Everybody involved in this procedure ... please think twice before
    casting your vote and creating a situation which Fidonet does not
    need.

    What did you expect? You comment the resignation of a member with "another one bites the dust". You couldn't resist to be the first to piss over the first (and only) candidate who showed up. Now you urge everyone to ignore your rambling about the candidate, just because it could mean the end of the FTSC?

    One could get the impression you enjoy the destruction of Fidonet, but then tell everybody you did everything you could do to prevent it and it was everyone else's fault.

    Anyway, the FTSC is practically dead. You can try to keep it on live-support until March 2021, but it would not influence the development of fidonet software in any way. Lots of FTN software currently used has bugs and still violates or doesn't follow important standards that are decades old. Other good
    software is not maintained anymore.

    It would be nice if someone would write a specification for the undocumented binkp OPTs, but do we need a FTSC for that? We don't need an organization for its own sake. Anyone is free to write documentation and specifications, having an organization obviously doesn't magically create documentation. If people want to work on new standards, they can form a working group. Stuff can be discussed in FTSC_PUBLIC. People can implement stuff in their software. If this
    doesn't happen, why do we need an organization with 7 to 30 members for publishing nothing?

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Michiel van der Vlist on Monday, December 02, 2019 14:28:42
    Michiel,

    As regarding the prime task of the FTSC: documentating current practise: nothing much has happened since you bullied me out of the FTSC chair.

    While I regard your departure from the FTSC-chair as a serious loss, you
    should stop playing that old broken record ... you were done already with the FTSC-chair, just needed someone or something to blame it to.

    And maybe there is nothing to do really, other than "points and commas".

    \%/@rd

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Oli on Monday, December 02, 2019 17:40:30
    Oli,

    I was waiting for you to chime in ...

    Who cares if there are 6 or 7 members? What difference does it make?

    Rules have been invented in the past by people believing these were good rules.
    I didn't come up with 6 or 7 or 3 or 12 or whatever.

    What did you expect? You comment the resignation of a member with
    "another one bites the dust".

    Yes, and I was being very friendly even when putting it that way.

    Sean Dennis was announcing that he was the fall-back ZC1, the #2 at the controls claiming to people outside of Fidonet to possess knowledge that I had agreed to kick Bjorn Felten out of the nodelist, just like that. And I gave him
    my opinion, unsalted (I hope you read this Bjorn and remember it next time when you're hinting that I'm planning to remove you) where-upon the man announced he was packing up and leaving. He announced this more than once before and I still wait to see it happen.

    I not only welcome his resignation from the FTSC, where he was absolutely useless and only became elected during the last convulsions of the zone warz, but also to his disappearance from the nodelist <period>.

    You couldn't resist to be the first to piss
    over the first (and only) candidate who showed up.

    The election format states that ...

    "To be selected as a FTSC member, an individual must be a Fidonet
    node, and should be actively involved in Fidonet. Examples include
    having put out a Fidonet-related product or having updated a product
    in the preceding two years, or having experience as a Coordinator,
    Echomail Coordinator or mail or file Hub."

    I would say that my question(s) (and Alexei Vissarionov's) is/are warranted by the fact that Deon, without inferring anything about the person, has been active in Fidonet:

    Apr.16 1993 > Sept.16 1994 ... a whopping 17 months
    Aug.22 2018 > Now ............ a whopping 15 months

    No trace of experience as a coordinator, nor as an echomail coordinator, nor as
    a file-hub.

    I read something exciting though about videotex, which is a technology in my mind long abandoned, but sounds exciting enough, as I slightly worked on it while still gainfully employed by our telco, to learn what the plan is ... although it makes me think more of a BBS than a Fidonet-node.

    Just for you ... this is what I wrote that you are procastinating about ...

    ***************************************************************************** My concern is we do not need another person seeking a title or thinking it is important to have zonal representation ... there are absolutely incompetent people already in the FTSC. So if you qualify technically, I am eager to find out. *****************************************************************************

    Pls read "I am eager to find out" ...

    The chances of getting one's feet wet when one pisses on someone are way to high for even considering it.

    One could get the impression you enjoy the destruction of Fidonet, but
    then tell everybody you did everything you could do to prevent it and it
    was everyone else's fault.

    Wouldn't you think it is time for yourself meanwhile to do something ... anything ... other than your ramblings against me? You may make a lot of noise,
    but you fail to deliver something ... anything.

    \%/@rd

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Michiel van der Vlist on Monday, December 02, 2019 16:13:54
    Hello Michiel,

    I say the signal is clear.

    What signal?

    The FTSC is brain dead.

    That is just insulting to the FTSC members.

    Let's stop flogging a dead horse. Time to face reality. Time to close shop.

    You chose to step down and another administrator has been chosen. I think the FTSC has good strong leadership and can continue to document current practice.

    We are not going to change the world. We were never going to change the world but why should the FTSC just close up shop? I see no reason for that.

    You served the FTSC very well during your years as administrator and did Fidonet a fine service. I think you did your part. Why step on it now?

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Dan Clough@1:123/115 to Alan Ianson on Monday, December 02, 2019 19:39:00
    Alan Ianson wrote to Michiel van der Vlist <=-

    Let's stop flogging a dead horse. Time to face reality. Time to close shop.

    You chose to step down and another administrator has been chosen.
    I think the FTSC has good strong leadership and can continue to
    document current practice.

    We are not going to change the world. We were never going to
    change the world but why should the FTSC just close up shop? I
    see no reason for that.

    You served the FTSC very well during your years as administrator
    and did Fidonet a fine service. I think you did your part. Why
    step on it now?

    It sure sounds like he's got a bad case of 'sour grapes'.



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  • From Carol Shenkenberger@1:275/100 to Michiel van der Vlist on Monday, December 02, 2019 22:39:18
    Re: 2019 FTSC Standing Member Election - Nominations Status
    By: Michiel van der Vlist to Ward Dossche on Sun Dec 01 2019 11:34 pm

    Hello Ward,

    On Sunday December 01 2019 23:03, you wrote to All:

    A special situation is developing ...

    * The FTSC must consist of at least 7 nodelisted sysops
    * There are currently 14 people in the FTSC with 8 mandates expiring
    * 6 mandates remain occupied

    I'd like to point out that one of those 6 is MIA and has been for some time.

    Ozz Nixon 1:275/362 11 Mar 2021

    There is no node 1:275/362 in the nodelist. Ozz Nixon is no longer an FTSC Member...


    Cheers, Michiel


    Ozz was elected as a 275 member but moved.

    xxcaarol
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  • From Carol Shenkenberger@1:275/100 to Michiel van der Vlist on Monday, December 02, 2019 22:42:18
    Re: 2019 FTSC Standing Member Election - Nominations Status
    By: Michiel van der Vlist to Alan Ianson on Mon Dec 02 2019 12:28 am

    Hello Alan,

    On Sunday December 01 2019 15:10, you wrote to me:

    There is no node 1:275/362 in the nodelist. Ozz Nixon is no
    longer an FTSC Member...

    Ozz Nixon is listed as 1:1/123, PCBoard Help. Does that count?

    + 22:29 [3636] call to 1:1/123@fidonet
    22:29 [3636] trying f123.n1.z1.binkp.net [107.155.113.11]...
    ? 22:30 [3636] connection to 1:1/123@fidonet failed: {W32 API error
    10065} A socket operation was attempted to an unreachable hos
    22:30 [188] the queue is empty, quitting...

    So... I don't think so...


    Cheers, Michiel


    Umm, have you tried his actual URL?

    xxcarol
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  • From Carol Shenkenberger@1:275/100 to Michiel van der Vlist on Monday, December 02, 2019 22:49:02
    Re: 2019 FTSC Standing Member Election - Nominations Status
    By: Michiel van der Vlist to Ward Dossche on Mon Dec 02 2019 11:20 am

    Hello Ward,

    On Monday December 02 2019 01:21, you wrote to me:

    I was unaware, but you seem to be correct. So there "is" and issue.

    In that case it may be up to the FTSC-chairman to handle it ... like put the election on hold and extend the nomination-period?

    No.

    I know that changing the rules of the game while the game has started already is "not done"

    Indeed not done, so let's not do it.

    but I think the special situation this places on the FTSC deserves special attention.

    I say it is time to face reality. From the 6 members that were elected last year, one has dived under the rader only to emerge today. He should never ha been elected in the first place. Another one only comes crawling out of the woodwork at election time. She never wrote a single line of documentation. T third is a PITA that has been in the FTSC for ages, but never wrote a single line of documentation either. The fourth... need I go on?

    From the nine members that were elected two years ago, one has left Fidonet. told me in private that the circumstances of my resignation as FTSC chairman were of influence. The eight members who's term expires next Wednesday could easely have made some noise and gotten themselves re-elected. In fact half o them could have nominated themselves. The other half could easely have found nominator. But they choose to not to make noise.

    As regarding the prime task of the FTSC: documentating current practise: nothing much has happened since you bullied me out of the FTSC chair.

    I say the signal is clear. The FTSC is brain dead. Let's stop flogging a dea horse. Time to face reality. Time to close shop.


    Cheers, Michiel


    If you feel that way, then leave and stop obstructing movement.


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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Carol Shenkenberger on Tuesday, December 03, 2019 10:14:32
    Carol,

    + 22:29 [3636] call to 1:1/123@fidonet
    22:29 [3636] trying f123.n1.z1.binkp.net [107.155.113.11]...
    ? 22:30 [3636] connection to 1:1/123@fidonet failed: {W32 API error
    10065} A socket operation was attempted to an
    unreachable hos
    22:30 [188] the queue is empty, quitting...

    So... I don't think so...

    Umm, have you tried his actual URL?

    I have a bundle for Ozz's 1:1/123 which the system is trying to deliver, but to
    no avail.

    Ozz simply has no functional contact info in the nodelist at this time.

    His previous (until yesterday) saltairbbs.com entry yielded this information...

    + 03 Dec 09:52:28 [4444] call to 1:1/123@fidonet
    03 Dec 09:52:28 [4444] trying saltairbbs.com [107.155.113.11]...
    ? 03 Dec 09:52:49 [4444] connection to 1:1/123@fidonet failed: {W32 API error 10060} Connection timed out

    ... and his current exchangebbs.com entry isn't available either, not on IPv6 (which he has, Michiel will be pleased) nor on IPv4 (see below).

    + 03 Dec 10:01:28 [8024] call to 1:1/123@fidonet
    03 Dec 10:01:28 [8024] trying exchangebbs.com [2001:470:1f18:12d::2]...
    ? 03 Dec 10:01:49 [8024] connection to 1:1/123@fidonet failed: {W32 API error 10060} Connection timed out
    03 Dec 10:01:49 [8024] trying exchangebbs.com [107.155.113.50]:24554...
    ? 03 Dec 10:02:10 [8024] connection to 1:1/123@fidonet failed: {W32 API error 10060} Connection timed out

    I understand you have some affinity to him, but the fact for the moment remains
    ... he is unreachable. And he does not have a regular nodenumber in a net somewhere.

    Maybe he is getting it sorted out ...

    Take care,

    \%/@rd

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  • From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to Carol Shenkenberger on Tuesday, December 03, 2019 10:45:01
    Hello Carol,

    On Monday December 02 2019 22:39, you wrote to me:

    I'd like to point out that one of those 6 is MIA and has been for
    some time.

    Ozz Nixon 1:275/362 11 Mar 2021

    There is no node 1:275/362 in the nodelist. Ozz Nixon is no longer
    an FTSC Member...

    Ozz was elected as a 275 member but moved.

    Into a black hole...


    Cheers, Michiel

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  • From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to Ward Dossche on Tuesday, December 03, 2019 10:56:31
    Hello Ward,

    On Monday December 02 2019 14:28, you wrote to me:

    While I regard your departure from the FTSC-chair as a serious loss,

    You should have thought about that /before/ you sidetracked me with your political games.

    you should stop playing that old broken record ... you were done
    already with the FTSC-chair, just needed someone or something to blame
    it to.

    Fake news alert: I was not done already with the FTSC chair. I still enjoyed it
    until you made me choose between acting in violation of FTS-5000 or agreeing to have Belgium split off from R28 and have R29 reinstated. It was your political games that spoiled the fun for me. And yes, I blame you for that!

    You spoiled my fun. Spreading fake news and rewriting history will not undo that.

    Cheers, Michiel

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  • From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to Carol Shenkenberger on Tuesday, December 03, 2019 12:32:35
    Hello Carol,

    On Monday December 02 2019 22:49, you wrote to me:

    If you feel that way, then leave and stop obstructing movement.

    You may not have noticed but I /am/ leaving. My term expires tomorrow. I choose
    not to go for another term. In fact I declined an offer for nomination by a fellow RC.

    Enjoy being an FTSC member without me obstructing you.


    Cheers, Michiel

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  • From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to Alan Ianson on Tuesday, December 03, 2019 14:12:32
    Hello Alan,

    On Monday December 02 2019 16:13, you wrote to me:

    I say the signal is clear.

    What signal?

    None of the members who's term expires having ambition for another term? The FTSC's number of members dropping below the required minimum tomorrow?

    The FTSC is brain dead.

    That is just insulting to the FTSC members.

    Just saying it as I see it. It was meant to describe the FTSC as a whole, not individual members.

    But now that you mention it: Four of the six members that do not have their term expire tomorrow should never have been in the FTSC to begin with. See my Fidonews article of 25 March this year titled "Why R28 did not vote".

    Let's stop flogging a dead horse. Time to face reality. Time to
    close shop.

    You chose to step down and another administrator has been chosen. I
    think the FTSC has good strong leadership and can continue to document current practice.

    Documenting current practise has been demonstrated to be an exercise in futility.

    We are not going to change the world. We were never going to change
    the world but why should the FTSC just close up shop? I see no reason
    for that.

    You served the FTSC very well during your years as administrator and
    did Fidonet a fine service.

    Thank you. But I am afraid I failed in protecting the FSTC and Fidonet from the
    political games played by the top. The FTSC is a toothless tiger and I failed in doing something about it.

    I think you did your part. Why step on it now?

    I am not stepping on it. I am just facing reality as I see it.


    Cheers, Michiel

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Michiel van der Vlist on Tuesday, December 03, 2019 17:38:03
    Michiel,

    Fake news alert: I was not done already with the FTSC chair. I still enjoyed it until you made me choose between acting in violation of
    FTS-5000 or agreeing to have Belgium split off from R28 and have R29 reinstated. It was your political games that spoiled the fun for me. And yes, I blame you for that!

    Please stop the whining about you having to agree that Belgium could split-off from R28 and have R29 re-instated.

    The request of the net292-sysops (Belgium) was unanymous {minus myself} for the
    simple reason no-one wanted to work with you anymore.

    You're still cross because you were not appointed RC yet in 2007 when Jan Vermeulen stepped down. Ever since you seek the confrontation.

    Take care,

    \%/@rd

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  • From Torsten Bamberg@2:240/5832 to Ward Dossche on Wednesday, December 04, 2019 00:49:17
    Hallo Ward!

    03.12.2019 17:38, Ward Dossche schrieb an Michiel van der Vlist:

    You're still cross because you were not appointed RC yet in 2007 when
    Jan Vermeulen stepped down. Ever since you seek the confrontation.
    Aha... have _you_ ever done something tecnical represantive for fido?

    Written some software?

    Written some patches?

    Anyway, because of snooty and posh stupidish anounces, I'get rid of you never ending blaming stuff..... feel free to impress yourself with ftsc, your political ignorness...
    We do our own thing in germany/austria/swiss and also the netherland with fidonet, and we work together with our friends in other zones. Stay tuned in the ftsc, and barking around.

    We beware of your alternative 'facts'.

    \%/@rd
    Bye/2 Torsten, RC24

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  • From Alexey Vissarionov@2:5020/545 to Torsten Bamberg on Wednesday, December 04, 2019 03:44:44
    Good ${greeting_time}, Torsten!

    04 Dec 2019 00:49:16, you wrote to Ward Dossche:

    You're still cross because you were not appointed RC yet in
    2007 when Jan Vermeulen stepped down. Ever since you seek the
    confrontation.
    Aha... have _you_ ever done something tecnical represantive
    for fido?

    Being mostly a nodelist clerk, does he really need to?

    Written some software?

    Same question here.

    Written some patches?

    According to my memories: only proposed. However, good feature request may be almost a half of all work.

    Anyway, because of snooty and posh stupidish anounces, I'get rid of
    you never ending blaming stuff..... feel free to impress yourself
    with ftsc, your political ignorness... We do our own thing in germany/austria/swiss and also the netherland with fidonet,

    We do our own things too. But nobody cares.

    and we work together with our friends in other zones.

    Now here goes the most important question: git clone what?


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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Alexey Vissarionov on Tuesday, December 03, 2019 17:30:18
    Hello Alexey,

    Now here goes the most important question: git clone what?

    I just did..

    git clone git://github.com/ioquake3/ioq3.git

    Ttyl ;-),
    Al

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  • From Maurice Kinal@1:261/38 to Alexey Vissarionov on Tuesday, December 03, 2019 21:27:48
    Hey Alexey!

    Now here goes the most important question: git clone what?

    git clone git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/git/git.git

    Nothing else matters. :-)

    Life is good,
    Maurice

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  • From Carol Shenkenberger@1:275/100 to Ward Dossche on Tuesday, December 03, 2019 23:05:25
    Re: Re: 2019 FTSC Standing Member Election - Nominations Status
    By: Ward Dossche to Carol Shenkenberger on Tue Dec 03 2019 10:14 am

    Carol,

    + 22:29 [3636] call to 1:1/123@fidonet
    22:29 [3636] trying f123.n1.z1.binkp.net [107.155.113.11]...
    ? 22:30 [3636] connection to 1:1/123@fidonet failed: {W32 API error
    10065} A socket operation was attempted to an
    unreachable hos
    22:30 [188] the queue is empty, quitting...

    So... I don't think so...

    Umm, have you tried his actual URL?

    I have a bundle for Ozz's 1:1/123 which the system is trying to deliver, but no avail.

    Ozz simply has no functional contact info in the nodelist at this time.

    His previous (until yesterday) saltairbbs.com entry yielded this information

    + 03 Dec 09:52:28 [4444] call to 1:1/123@fidonet
    03 Dec 09:52:28 [4444] trying saltairbbs.com [107.155.113.11]...
    ? 03 Dec 09:52:49 [4444] connection to 1:1/123@fidonet failed: {W32 API erro 10060} Connection timed out

    ... and his current exchangebbs.com entry isn't available either, not on IPv (which he has, Michiel will be pleased) nor on IPv4 (see below).

    + 03 Dec 10:01:28 [8024] call to 1:1/123@fidonet
    03 Dec 10:01:28 [8024] trying exchangebbs.com [2001:470:1f18:12d::2]...
    ? 03 Dec 10:01:49 [8024] connection to 1:1/123@fidonet failed: {W32 API erro 10060} Connection timed out
    03 Dec 10:01:49 [8024] trying exchangebbs.com [107.155.113.50]:24554...
    ? 03 Dec 10:02:10 [8024] connection to 1:1/123@fidonet failed: {W32 API erro 10060} Connection timed out

    I understand you have some affinity to him, but the fact for the moment rema ... he is unreachable. And he does not have a regular nodenumber in a net somewhere.

    Maybe he is getting it sorted out ...

    Take care,

    \%/@rd


    Ozz is now contacting Andrew fine.
    xxcarol
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  • From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to Ward Dossche on Wednesday, December 04, 2019 08:55:11
    Hello Ward,

    On Tuesday December 03 2019 17:38, you wrote to me:

    You're still cross because you were not appointed RC yet in 2007 when
    Jan Vermeulen stepped down. Ever since you seek the confrontation.

    You are the one who keeps digging up this decade+ old quarter truth. So who is the one that can't let go? Who is the one that seeks constant confrontation?


    Cheers, Michiel

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Carol Shenkenberger on Wednesday, December 04, 2019 09:47:51
    Carol,

    Ozz is now contacting Andrew fine.

    Maybe you should tell him for getting a nodenumber in a net he should be contacting (lower case) mark lewis instead, he deals with Florida. Not Andrew.

    \%/@rd

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Torsten Bamberg on Wednesday, December 04, 2019 10:00:14
    Torsten,

    Aha... have _you_ ever done something tecnical represantive for fido? Written some software?
    Written some patches?

    I have a mandate, which I try to fullfill to the best of my abilities ... it is
    the job of a nodelist clerc, a bit like your mandate.

    In the past I was nominated for the FTSC and I declined, just so you are aware.

    We do our own thing in germany/austria/swiss and also the netherland with fidonet, and we work together with our friends in other zones. Stay tuned in the ftsc, and barking around.

    You are aware then, I hope, there is no Switzerland in the nodelist plus for the moment there's only 1 node in Austria responding? So I'm not exactly certain what your (plural) "thing" is.

    We beware of your alternative 'facts'.

    If you doubt the facts, questioning them is OK. The whole 280/292-matter which Michiel regurgitated is documented in Dutch language-echoes. Have you verified?
    May I guess 'not' ?

    Plus the NC292 (2:292/789) is linked into this echo. You may want to question him too for verification reasons and if his words do not confirn your pre-conceived opinions you could call it "a plot" or NC292 being crushed under my dictatorship. You can also question RC29 ... you haven't done that either ... always check facts.

    ... and we work together with our friends in other zones.

    Are you implying I don't ?

    Again "check facts" ... ask the other ZCs.

    \%/@rd

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Alexey Vissarionov on Wednesday, December 04, 2019 10:02:28
    Alexey,

    Aha... have _you_ ever done something tecnical represantive
    for fido?

    Being mostly a nodelist clerk, does he really need to?

    That is 100" correct.

    Written some patches?

    According to my memories: only proposed. However, good feature request
    may be almost a half of all work.

    Let me think about some of the things which I did ...

    * Ending the R24-schism. Torsten only joined Fidonet in 1996 so he wouldn't
    be aware of that
    * Introducing IP into the nodelist (mark my words, no claim of inventing it)
    against the express wishes of IC and ZC1 Bob Satti who, for political
    reasons during an election, was credited for it by David Moufarrege.
    Bob wanted to keep Fidonet PSTN-pure.
    * Introducing/allowing Pvt for IP-only nodes when nothing else was possible
    (and getting a lot of flak for it by the fundis)
    * Introducing INA against the express wishes of Michiel
    * Introducing daily-nodelists
    * Introducing an UTF8-nodelist by request of Michiel, which I think no-one
    uses
    * Whenever I could, meet people, have a beer, eat something ... it is remar-
    kable how one's perception of another person can change after that ...
    RC20, RC24, RC25, RC26, RC28, RC29, RC30, RC37, RC41 ... ZC1 (David
    Moufarrege, Janis Kracht, Nick Andre), ZC2 (Henk Wevers, Ron Dwight,
    Alexander Holy, Felix Kasza), ZC4 (Pablo Kleinman, Gamey Garcia) and I hope
    next year to visit a former ZC6 (Carol)
    * I also wish some of the Russian sysops would remind me in a timely manner
    of the annual impromptu beer-meeting in a Moscow park.
    * Introducton of PING. That is nothing major but I do get several PING
    requests, so it must serve a purpose...
    * Auto-converting old ISDN-flags
    * Implement IBN IFC ITN IVM IMI ISE ITX IUC IEM IFT ETX EVY EMA RPK NPK SDS
    SMH CDP ENC ...
    * Adding a CRC in REGION-segments where one is missing or incorrect prior to
    processing

    ... and a lot more but alas it doesn't fall under the Torsten guideline of doing "something tecnical represantive" "write software" "write patches".

    and we work together with our friends in other zones.

    Now here goes the most important question: git clone what?

    :-)

    \%/@rd

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Michiel van der Vlist on Wednesday, December 04, 2019 11:55:03
    Michiel,

    You're still cross because you were not appointed RC yet in 2007 when Mv>WD> Jan Vermeulen stepped down. Ever since you seek the confrontation.

    You are the one who keeps digging up this decade+ old quarter truth. So
    who is the one that can't let go? Who is the one that seeks constant confrontation?

    You, sir, because when publishing a very denigrating article in Fidonews, the whole story deserves exposing, not just the sub-section which fits your text and fuels the groupies.

    Take care,

    \%/@rd

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  • From Alexey Vissarionov@2:5020/545 to Alan Ianson on Wednesday, December 04, 2019 17:16:20
    Good ${greeting_time}, Alan!

    03 Dec 2019 17:30:18, you wrote to me:

    Now here goes the most important question: git clone what?
    I just did.. git clone git://github.com/ioquake3/ioq3.git

    Cloning into 'ioq3'...
    fatal: remote error:
    Repository not found.

    GitHub site says there's only https://github.com/ioquake3/codepad-chrome-app


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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Alexey Vissarionov on Wednesday, December 04, 2019 09:55:50
    Hello Alexey,

    Now here goes the most important question: git clone what?
    I just did.. git clone git://github.com/ioquake3/ioq3.git

    Cloning into 'ioq3'...
    fatal: remote error:
    Repository not found.

    GitHub site says there's only https://github.com/ioquake3/codepad-chrome-app


    Apologies, there is an out of place 3 in the path. It should be..

    git clone git://github.com/ioquake/ioq3.git

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Ward Dossche on Wednesday, December 04, 2019 19:19:33
    the whole story deserves exposing, not just the sub-section which fits your text and fuels the groupies.

    Feel free to rebut. There's even a dedicated section for rebuttals. The file
    extension is .REB as you can see:

    section reb Rebuttals to Previous Articles





    ..

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Björn Felten on Wednesday, December 04, 2019 22:58:42
    Feel free to rebut. There's even a dedicated section for rebuttals.
    The file extension is .REB as you can see:

    section reb Rebuttals to Previous Articles

    I know about that but life is too short and full of other challenges ... my sailboat, my granddaughter, COP25 ...

    We're in the same age bracket ...

    \%/@rd

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  • From Dan Richter@1:317/3 to Ward Dossche on Wednesday, December 04, 2019 18:40:04
    On 04 Dec 2019, Ward Dossche said the following...

    * Whenever I could, meet people, have a beer, eat something ... it is remar- kable how one's perception of another person can change after
    that ... RC20, RC24, RC25, RC26, RC28, RC29, RC30, RC37, RC41 ... ZC1 (David Moufarrege, Janis Kracht, Nick Andre), ZC2 (Henk Wevers, Ron Dwight, Alexander Holy, Felix Kasza), ZC4 (Pablo Kleinman, Gamey Garcia) and I hope next year to visit a former ZC6 (Carol)

    I hope the next time your in the states, you take a bit of time to stop in
    New Mexico. I could probably get a few of us Sysops to get together with you and have a beer, and introduce you to green chile. :)


    ---

    Black Panther(RCS)
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  • From Dale Barnes@1:106/201 to Dan Richter on Wednesday, December 04, 2019 21:22:36
    I hope the next time your in the states, you take a bit of
    time to stop in
    New Mexico. I could probably get a few of us Sysops to get
    together with you
    and have a beer, and introduce you to green chile. :)

    Let me know when that party is. Just a hop away from Texas.


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  • From Carol Shenkenberger@1:275/100 to Ward Dossche on Wednesday, December 04, 2019 23:07:25
    Re: Re: 2019 FTSC Standing Member Election - Nominations Status
    By: Ward Dossche to Carol Shenkenberger on Wed Dec 04 2019 09:47 am

    Carol,

    Ozz is now contacting Andrew fine.

    Maybe you should tell him for getting a nodenumber in a net he should be contacting (lower case) mark lewis instead, he deals with Florida. Not Andre

    \%/@rd


    He has a feed with Andrew for FTSC which was what was asked. He's probably fine with Mark lewis too but would not know directly as he doesn't connect here.
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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Dan Richter on Thursday, December 05, 2019 09:39:57
    I hope the next time your in the states, you take a bit of time to stop
    in New Mexico. I could probably get a few of us Sysops to get together
    with you and have a beer, and introduce you to green chile. :)

    Never been to New Mexico ... give me an excuse to go there ... please?

    \%/@rd

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  • From Alexey Vissarionov@2:5020/545 to Ward Dossche on Thursday, December 05, 2019 14:10:00
    Good ${greeting_time}, Ward!

    04 Dec 2019 10:02:28, you wrote to me:

    Aha... have _you_ ever done something tecnical represantive
    for fido?
    ^^^^^^^^^(1)
    Being mostly a nodelist clerk, does he really need to?
    ^(2)
    That is 100" correct.

    Was, before being touched(1) by your old smelly editor :-)

    FSC-0032 is just a proposal, but it is based on a much older rules, requiring adding quote sign _before_ existing quote signs, but _after_ initials (which obviously are optional). Given that, I've marked(2) the quote sign added by my editor.

    Written some patches?
    According to my memories: only proposed. However, good feature
    request may be almost a half of all work.
    Let me think about some of the things which I did ...
    * Ending the R24-schism. Torsten only joined Fidonet in 1996 so
    he wouldn't be aware of that

    /me too.

    * Introducing IP into the nodelist (mark my words, no claim of
    inventing it)
    * Introducing/allowing Pvt for IP-only nodes when nothing else
    was possible
    * Introducing INA against the express wishes of Michiel
    * Introducing daily-nodelists

    Good.

    * Introducing an UTF8-nodelist by request of Michiel, which I
    think no-one uses

    We (here in R50) could use it, but the others would unlikely be able to read it... Also, there once was a Z6 :-)

    * Whenever I could, meet people, have a beer , eat something ...
    it is remarkable how one's perception of another person can change
    after that

    The BEER nodelist flag (FSP-1041) also was introduced for that purpose,

    * I also wish some of the Russian sysops would remind me in a timely manner of the annual impromptu beer-meeting in a Moscow park.

    Next would be 2020-03-28 in a beer pub at 55.7424 N 37.6523 E :-)

    * Introducton of PING. That is nothing major but I do get several
    PING requests, so it must serve a purpose...

    I couldn't expect this stupid robot to become so popular...

    * Auto-converting old ISDN-flags
    * Implement IBN IFC ITN IVM IMI ISE ITX IUC IEM IFT ETX EVY EMA
    RPK NPK SDS SMH CDP ENC ...

    s/Implement/Introduce/ ?

    * Adding a CRC in REGION-segments where one is missing or incorrect
    prior to processing

    Generally, you had to check them first...

    Also, the CRC appears to be too weak for these days... The SHA-2 should be considered an absolute minimum, and Skein or Streebog are recommended.

    ... and a lot more but alas it doesn't fall under the Torsten
    guideline of doing "something tecnical represantive" "write
    software" "write patches".

    That's what we expect from FTSC members, not from nodelist clerks.


    --
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  • From Will Milberger@1:106/101 to Dale Barnes on Thursday, December 05, 2019 10:58:17
    Re: 2019 FTSC Standing Member Election - Nominations Status
    By: Dale Barnes to Dan Richter on Wed Dec 04 2019 09:22 pm

    Let me know when that party is. Just a hop away from Texas.

    I live in the B-CS area. Nothing is just a hop away in Texas. :D Just going to the store is 18 miles one way.

    Grease
    darmatt.synchro.net

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  • From Kurt Weiske@1:218/700 to Ward Dossche on Thursday, December 05, 2019 07:37:00
    Ward Dossche wrote to Dan Richter <=-

    Never been to New Mexico ... give me an excuse to go there ... please?

    Taos. Beautiful town high up in the mountains in NM, the touristy section looked like it fell out of 1880. Great skiing.

    Many years back, I flew from the San Francisco bay area to Las Vegas,
    spending 3 days on the strip. Ate steak frites at a "french" brasserie with
    an incredible wine list right on the strip. Rented a full-sized land barge
    and drove through Nevada and Arizona on route 666 to the Grand Canyon, spent some time on the south rim, toured an airport museum in the middle of
    nowhere, then drove through New Mexico, Albuquerque for the balloon
    festival, through indian territories, visited a couple of old indian
    villages, then up to Taos for a night. Narrowly missed going to Los Alamos
    and Roswell before committing a high-speed non-stop burn back to Vegas for
    the flight home, the rental guys happy to take posession of a cooler full of the remaining beers and sodas we'd had left.

    ... Retrace your steps
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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Will Milberger on Thursday, December 05, 2019 23:01:10
    I live in the B-CS area. Nothing is just a hop away in Texas. :D Just
    going to the store is 18 miles one way.

    You haven't been to Alaska yet...

    \%/@rd

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  • From Will Milberger@1:106/101 to Ward Dossche on Thursday, December 05, 2019 16:38:17
    Re: Re: 2019 FTSC Standing Member Election - Nominations Status
    By: Ward Dossche to Will Milberger on Thu Dec 05 2019 11:01 pm

    You haven't been to Alaska yet...

    I thought the planes flew into you. That, or two days on a snow mobile. I watch
    Discovery too much.

    Grease
    darmatt.synchro.net

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Will Milberger on Friday, December 06, 2019 00:20:36
    You haven't been to Alaska yet...

    I thought the planes flew into you. That, or two days on a snow mobile. I watch Discovery too much.

    Actually, It's a nice state ... weird people ,,, nice scenery. Good seafood. Really hot in summer. Killer mosquitos. Roaming grizzlies in downtown Anchorage.

    Vistas to die for ... and a lot of what you see on Discovery is a hoax.

    \%/@rd

    --- D'Bridge 3.99
    * Origin: Do not meddle in the affairs of wizards (2:292/854)
  • From Dan Richter@1:317/3 to Ward Dossche on Thursday, December 05, 2019 18:57:56
    On 05 Dec 2019, Ward Dossche said the following...

    I hope the next time your in the states, you take a bit of time to sto in New Mexico. I could probably get a few of us Sysops to get together with you and have a beer, and introduce you to green chile. :)

    Never been to New Mexico ... give me an excuse to go there ... please?

    * Albuquerque International Balloon Fiesta
    * Carlsbad Caverns
    * A sysop who will buy you a few beers :)


    ---

    Black Panther(RCS)
    Castle Rock BBS

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A43 2019/03/02 (Linux/64)
    * Origin: Castle Rock BBS - bbs.castlerockbbs.com (1:317/3)
  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Dan Richter on Friday, December 06, 2019 07:59:16
    * Albuquerque International Balloon Fiesta

    We have that here too ...

    * Carlsbad Caverns

    Heard about it ...

    * A sysop who will buy you a few beers :)

    But 'now' you're talking .... just need to find $1500 to fly there ... :-)

    \%/@rd

    --- D'Bridge 3.99
    * Origin: Do not meddle in the affairs of wizards (2:292/854)
  • From Oli@2:280/464.47 to Ward Dossche on Friday, December 06, 2019 16:22:13
    On Wed, 4 Dec 2019 10:02:28 +0100
    "Ward Dossche -> Alexey Vissarionov" <0@854.292.2> wrote:

    * Introducing an UTF8-nodelist by request of Michiel, which I think
    no-one uses

    I use it.

    * Implement IBN IFC ITN IVM ...

    Btw, the "IP Flags" section in the Epilog does not cover all options that are defined in FTS-5001. Most nodes use a hostname instead of an IP address. Also this paragraph ...

    ;S | Note: the optional non-standard port for IBN, IFC, IFT, ITN and IVN can
    |
    ;S | ===== be substituted by an IP-address, in which case the syntax is as
    |
    ;S | follows:
    |

    .... is a bit misleading, when something like IBN:example.com:1234 is also valid.

    Why not just use the text from FTS-5001?

    * Introducing INA against the express wishes of Michiel

    I'm not sure why it was introduced at the time. Maybe there were good reason, but nowadays it's mostly useless and could be deprecated for simplification.

    ---
    * Origin: (2:280/464.47)
  • From Will Milberger@1:106/101 to Ward Dossche on Friday, December 06, 2019 10:24:41
    Re: Re: 2019 FTSC Standing Member Election - Nominations Status
    By: Ward Dossche to Will Milberger on Fri Dec 06 2019 12:20 am

    Actually, It's a nice state ... weird people ,,, nice scenery. Good seafood. Really hot in summer. Killer mosquitos. Roaming grizzlies in downtown Anchorage.

    Depends on what you call real hot. ;) But compared to the cold, it would seem an extreme. It'll be almost 80 this weekend, before the cold front hits and we'll get highs in the 60's. It's on my bucket list to go.

    Grease
    darmatt.synchro.net

    --- SBBSecho 3.10-Linux
    * Origin: Dark Matter BBS * darkmatt.synchro.net * Howdy! (1:106/101)
  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Oli on Friday, December 06, 2019 18:54:20
    * Introducing INA against the express wishes of Michiel

    I'm not sure why it was introduced at the time. Maybe there were good reason, but nowadays it's mostly useless and could be deprecated for simplification.

    It was a stupid and worthless flag idea from day one. We still don't know of
    any FTN software that makes any use of it, so it should never have been included in FTS-5001.




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  • From Fabio Bizzi@2:335/364.3 to Will Milberger on Friday, December 06, 2019 19:51:52
    Hello, Will Milberger.
    On 06/12/19 10:24 you wrote:

    Depends on what you call real hot. ;) But compared to the cold, it
    would seem an extreme. It'll be almost 80 this weekend, before the
    cold front hits and we'll get highs in the 60's. It's on my bucket
    list to go.

    For us here the cold starts at 14 or less celsius. ;)

    --
    Ciao! :)
    Fabio.
    --- Hotdoged/2.13.5/Android
    * Origin: ]\/[imac boss android point (2:335/364.3)
  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Will Milberger on Friday, December 06, 2019 20:21:18
    Actually, It's a nice state ... weird people ,,, nice scenery. Good
    seafood.
    Really hot in summer. Killer mosquitos. Roaming grizzlies in downtown Anchorage.

    Depends on what you call real hot. ;)

    35C 95F ... Good nuff?

    Use good sun-block and lots of mosquito-repellant.

    \%/@rd

    --- D'Bridge 3.99
    * Origin: Do not meddle in the affairs of wizards (2:292/854)
  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Fabio Bizzi on Friday, December 06, 2019 20:22:54
    Fabio,

    For us here the cold starts at 14 or less celsius. ;)

    That's still T-shirt and shorts for me.

    \%/@rd

    --- D'Bridge 3.99
    * Origin: Do not meddle in the affairs of wizards (2:292/854)
  • From Fabio Bizzi@2:335/364.3 to Ward Dossche on Friday, December 06, 2019 20:46:01
    Hello, Ward Dossche.
    On 06/12/19 20:22 you wrote:

    @TZUTC: 0100 Fabio,
    For us here the cold starts at 14 or less celsius. ;)
    That's still T-shirt and shorts for me.

    Don't forget your horned helmet! :P
    --
    Ciao! :)
    Fabio.
    --- Hotdoged/2.13.5/Android
    * Origin: ]\/[imac boss android point (2:335/364.3)
  • From Paul Quinn@3:640/1384.125 to Björn Felten on Saturday, December 07, 2019 08:02:01
    Hi! Björn,

    On 12/07/2019 03:54 AM, you wrote:

    * Introducing INA against the express wishes of Michiel

    I'm not sure why it was introduced at the time. Maybe there were good
    reason, but nowadays it's mostly useless and could be deprecated for
    simplification.

    It was a stupid and worthless flag idea from day one. We still don't know of any FTN software that makes any use of it, so it should never
    have been included in FTS-5001.

    The most advanced piece of FTN software, Radius, used to use it. It is a belief of mine -only- that the follow-on project, Taurus, would also.

    Cheers,
    Paul.

    --- Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.4.0
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  • From Torsten Bamberg@2:240/5832 to Alexey Vissarionov on Saturday, December 07, 2019 00:26:14
    Hallo Alexey!

    04.12.2019 03:44, Alexey Vissarionov schrieb an Torsten Bamberg:

    yourself with ftsc, your political ignorness... We do our own
    thing in germany/austria/swiss and also the netherland with
    fidonet,
    We do our own things too. But nobody cares.
    Ahm, I think, even this is the core of the problem. Coordinators have to care of all nodes their area.

    and we work together with our friends in other zones.
    Now here goes the most important question: git clone what?
    Most of my stuff is OS/2-Ecomstation-ArcaOS only and not upped to github. It is
    licencesed in gnu-gpl an announced on GFD-Net, an ftn-file Network.
    Other stuff from me, you find on freebsd portstree. I do not support linux at all.

    Alexey V. Vissarionov aka Gremlin from Kremlin
    Bye/2 Torsten

    ... MAILBOX01 on OS2: up 24d 5h 46m load: 36 proc, 129 threads (tbupv1.1)
    --- GoldED+ 1.1.5-19
    * Origin: DatenBahn BBS Hamburg (2:240/5832)
  • From Dale Barnes@1:106/201 to Ward Dossche on Friday, December 06, 2019 10:16:34
    * Albuquerque International Balloon Fiesta

    We have that here too ...

    * Carlsbad Caverns

    Heard about it ...

    * A sysop who will buy you a few beers :)

    But 'now' you're talking .... just need to find $1500 to
    fly there ... :-)


    If this happens, give me a heads up as I would like to meet others from fidonet.


    --- InterEcho 1.21
    * Origin: Home Of InterMail/InterEcho (1:106/201)
  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Torsten Bamberg on Monday, December 09, 2019 00:56:00
    Torsten,

    Aha... have _you_ ever done something tecnical represantive for fido?

    How 'bout some 18 years ago when your fellow-citizen and ex-R24 node Helmut Hullen sued me, as ZC, over his removal from the nodelist and it became a fully-fledged court-case for which I needed to appear 4 times in front of a judge and where P4 was tested in a legal framework?

    You were in the nodelist at the time, it was heavily debated in R24 no doubt. How was that for representation ? Did you contribute?

    \%/@rd

    --- D'Bridge 4
    * Origin: Do not meddle in the affairs of wizards (2:292/854)
  • From Alexey Vissarionov@2:5020/545 to Björn Felten on Monday, December 09, 2019 07:14:44
    Good ${greeting_time}, Bjrn!

    06 Dec 2019 18:54:20, you wrote to Oli:

    * Introducing INA against the express wishes of Michiel
    I'm not sure why it was introduced at the time. Maybe there
    were good reason, but nowadays it's mostly useless and could
    be deprecated for simplification.
    It was a stupid and worthless flag idea from day one. We still
    don't know of any FTN software that makes any use of it,

    binkd.
    Or, more exactly, its' nodelist parser module (written in perl).

    so it should never have been included in FTS-5001.

    FOAD.

    % egrep -c ',IBN' ~/fido/etc/nodelist.ndl
    1080
    % egrep -v ,INA: ~/fido/etc/nodelist.ndl | egrep -c ',IBN'
    168
    % echo 1080-168 | bc
    912

    That means, out of all nodes with declared binkp capability:
    * 912 do use INA and
    * 168 don't.


    --
    Alexey V. Vissarionov aka Gremlin from Kremlin
    gremlin.ru!gremlin; +vii-cmiii-ccxxix-lxxix-xlii

    ... god@universe:~ # cvs up && make world
    --- /bin/vi
    * Origin: http://openwall.com/Owl (2:5020/545)
  • From Alexey Vissarionov@2:5020/545 to Fabio Bizzi on Monday, December 09, 2019 07:39:00
    Good ${greeting_time}, Fabio!

    06 Dec 2019 19:51:52, you wrote to Will Milberger:

    Depends on what you call real hot. ;) But compared to the cold, it
    would seem an extreme. It'll be almost 80 this weekend, before the
    cold front hits and we'll get highs in the 60's. It's on my bucket
    list to go.
    For us here the cold starts at 14 or less celsius. ;)

    -14, you want to say? :-)


    --
    Alexey V. Vissarionov aka Gremlin from Kremlin
    gremlin.ru!gremlin; +vii-cmiii-ccxxix-lxxix-xlii

    ... :wq!
    --- /bin/vi
    * Origin: http://openwall.com/Owl (2:5020/545)
  • From Fabio Bizzi@2:335/364.1 to Alexey Vissarionov on Monday, December 09, 2019 09:11:26
    Hello Alexey!

    09 Dec 19 07:39, you wrote to me:

    06 Dec 2019 19:51:52, you wrote to Will Milberger:

    Depends on what you call real hot. ;) But compared to the cold,
    it would seem an extreme. It'll be almost 80 this weekend,
    before the cold front hits and we'll get highs in the 60's. It's
    on my bucket list to go.
    For us here the cold starts at 14 or less celsius. ;)

    -14, you want to say? :-)

    No,no, 14! :)

    Ciao!
    Fabio

    --- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20180707
    * Origin: ]\/[imac Rebirth Boss Point (2:335/364.1)
  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Carol Shenkenberger on Tuesday, December 10, 2019 15:35:30
    On 2019 Dec 04 23:07:24, you wrote to Ward Dossche:

    Ozz is now contacting Andrew fine.

    Maybe you should tell him for getting a nodenumber in a net he should
    be contacting (lower case) mark lewis instead, he deals with Florida.
    Not Andre

    He has a feed with Andrew for FTSC which was what was asked. He's probably fine with Mark lewis too but would not know directly as he doesn't connect here.

    if ozz wants/needs a regional independent node number, he may contact me... otherwise, if he is in florida, he should be in contact with the NC for florida, eric renfro, 1:135/0...

    )\/(ark

    Once men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set
    them free. But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them. ... That's the way the veal cutlets.
    ---
    * Origin: (1:3634/12.73)
  • From Alexey Vissarionov@2:5020/545 to Fabio Bizzi on Wednesday, December 11, 2019 19:16:20
    Good ${greeting_time}, Fabio!

    09 Dec 2019 09:11:26, you wrote to me:

    Depends on what you call real hot. ;) But compared to the cold,
    it would seem an extreme. It'll be almost 80 this weekend,
    before the cold front hits and we'll get highs in the 60's. It's
    on my bucket list to go.
    For us here the cold starts at 14 or less celsius. ;)
    -14, you want to say? :-)
    No,no, 14! :)

    14! == 87178291200


    --
    Alexey V. Vissarionov aka Gremlin from Kremlin
    gremlin.ru!gremlin; +vii-cmiii-ccxxix-lxxix-xlii

    ... that's why I really dislike fools.
    --- /bin/vi
    * Origin: http://openwall.com/Owl (2:5020/545)
  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Alexey Vissarionov on Wednesday, December 11, 2019 22:45:35
    Alexey,

    We (here in R50) could use it, but the others would unlikely be able to read it... Also, there once was a Z6 :-)

    You mean Z7 ?

    Who cares if people cannot read it. Isn't the purpose for it to be machine readable and to facilitate mailer calls ?

    * I also wish some of the Russian sysops would remind me in a timely AV>WD> manner of the annual impromptu beer-meeting in a Moscow park.

    Next would be 2020-03-28 in a beer pub at 55.7424 N 37.6523 E :-)

    I could make it ... with a little help ...

    s/Implement/Introduce/ ?

    Yes, you're right.

    * Adding a CRC in REGION-segments where one is missing or incorrect AV>WD> prior to processing

    Generally, you had to check them first...

    There are segments arriving without CRC or with a bad CRC. If that's the case the system computes the correct CRC qnd inserts.

    \%/@rd

    --- D'Bridge 3.99
    * Origin: Do not meddle in the affairs of wizards (2:292/854)
  • From Alexey Vissarionov@2:5020/545 to Ward Dossche on Thursday, December 12, 2019 04:24:42
    Good ${greeting_time}, Ward!

    11 Dec 2019 22:45:34, you wrote to me:

    We (here in R50) could use it, but the others would unlikely be able
    to read it... Also, there once was a Z6 :-)
    You mean Z7 ?

    No: Z6. With hieroglyphs.

    Who cares if people cannot read it. Isn't the purpose for it to be
    machine readable and to facilitate mailer calls ?

    Once that's the case, who cares of 26-letters limit for the text fields?

    * I also wish some of the Russian sysops would remind me in a
    timely manner of the annual impromptu beer-meeting in a Moscow
    park.
    Next would be 2020-03-28 in a beer pub at 55.7424 N 37.6523 E :-)
    I could make it ... with a little help ...

    You are welcome.

    There are segments arriving without CRC or with a bad CRC.

    When the checksum is bad, you have to check whether the contents weren't damaged.

    If that's the case the system computes the correct CRC qnd inserts.

    I'd prefer these files to be properly signed...


    --
    Alexey V. Vissarionov aka Gremlin from Kremlin
    gremlin.ru!gremlin; +vii-cmiii-ccxxix-lxxix-xlii

    ... :wq!
    --- /bin/vi
    * Origin: http://openwall.com/Owl (2:5020/545)
  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Carol Shenkenberger on Sunday, December 22, 2019 10:35:16
    Carol,

    He has a feed with Andrew for FTSC which was what was asked. He's
    probably fine with Mark lewis too but would not know directly as he
    doesn't connect here.

    Just so everybody's aware ... 3 weeks later there still is no nodenumber for Ozz and the zone-independant 1:1/123 with which he's listed does not function, not even after his symbolic DNS-address in it had been updated.

    \%/@rd

    --- D'Bridge 3.99
    * Origin: Do not meddle in the affairs of wizards (2:292/854)
  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Ward Dossche on Sunday, December 22, 2019 11:08:53
    Just so everybody's aware ... 3 weeks later there still is no nodenumber for Ozz and the zone-independant 1:1/123 with which he's listed does not function, not even after his symbolic DNS-address in it had been updated.

    Nemas problemas Ward! We in R20 did explain it all in our vote -- no?



    ..

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  • From Ozz Nixon@1:1/123 to Ward Dossche on Friday, February 07, 2020 17:47:11
    + 03 Dec 09:52:28 [4444] call to 1:1/123@fidonet
    03 Dec 09:52:28 [4444] trying saltairbbs.com [107.155.113.11]...
    ? 03 Dec 09:52:49 [4444] connection to 1:1/123@fidonet failed: {W32 API error >10060} Connection timed out

    Inbound connections are not supported in the current Alpha builds. I am incorporating EMSI support in my mailer, and while it is in testing, I
    pulled the listener down. I still receive my routed netmails via Nick's system... and of course email works.

    I just released a new build Tuesday... all of us our testing.

    Best Regards,
    Ozz
    --- Legacy/X FTN Tosser/JAM v1-Alpha3
    * Origin: Legacy/X WHQ (Legacy ANSI at Today's Speed) (1:1/123)
  • From Alexey Vissarionov@2:5020/545 to Ozz Nixon on Sunday, February 09, 2020 01:11:00
    Good ${greeting_time}, Ozz!

    07 Feb 2020 17:47:10, you wrote to Ward Dossche:

    + 03 Dec 09:52:28 [4444] call to 1:1/123@fidonet
    03 Dec 09:52:28 [4444] trying saltairbbs.com [107.155.113.11]...
    ? 03 Dec 09:52:49 [4444] connection to 1:1/123@fidonet failed
    Inbound connections are not supported in the current Alpha builds.

    Who cares? The node is either capable of receiving incoming connections or leaving the nodelist in a month (2 weeks with "Hold" prefix, 2 weeks with "Down", then deleted).

    I am incorporating EMSI support in my mailer, and while it is in
    testing, I pulled the listener down.

    Thinking seems to be a heavy task for you... Otherwise you'd perform the development and testing in a separate dedicated environment.

    I still receive my routed netmails via Nick's system...
    and of course email works.

    Who cares of that? Listed node _must_ (as in FTA-1006) accept incoming connections from outer world.

    I just released a new build Tuesday... all of us our testing.

    You'd rather become a sysop (of a running node) first.


    --
    Alexey V. Vissarionov aka Gremlin from Kremlin
    gremlin.ru!gremlin; +vii-cmiii-ccxxix-lxxix-xlii

    ... god@universe:~ # cvs up && make world
    --- /bin/vi
    * Origin: http://openwall.com/Owl (2:5020/545)
  • From Ozz Nixon@1:1/123 to Alexey Vissarionov on Sunday, February 09, 2020 01:26:59
    Thinking seems to be a heavy task for you... Otherwise you'd perform the >development and testing in a separate dedicated environment.

    Fuck off!
    --- Legacy/X FTN Tosser/JAM v1-Alpha3
    * Origin: Legacy/X WHQ (Legacy ANSI at Today's Speed) (1:1/123)
  • From Alexey Vissarionov@2:5020/545 to Ozz Nixon on Tuesday, February 11, 2020 02:04:00
    Good ${greeting_time}, Ozz!

    09 Feb 2020 01:26:58, you wrote to me:

    Thinking seems to be a heavy task for you... Otherwise you'd perform
    the development and testing in a separate dedicated environment.
    Fuck off!

    You just squeezed out from your ganglion both words it was able to hold... Having nothing to say now?


    --
    Alexey V. Vissarionov aka Gremlin from Kremlin
    gremlin.ru!gremlin; +vii-cmiii-ccxxix-lxxix-xlii

    ... GPG: 8832FE9FA791F7968AC96E4E909DAC45EF3B1FA8 @ hkp://keys.gnupg.net
    --- /bin/vi
    * Origin: http://openwall.com/Owl (2:5020/545)
  • From Oli@2:280/464.47 to Alexey Vissarionov on Tuesday, February 11, 2020 11:33:45
    11 Feb 20 02:04, you wrote to Ozz Nixon:

    Thinking seems to be a heavy task for you... Otherwise you'd perform
    the development and testing in a separate dedicated environment.
    Fuck off!

    You just squeezed out from your ganglion both words it was able to hold... Having nothing to say now?

    What is this? Psychopathic word salad?

    --- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20180707
    * Origin: kakistocracy (2:280/464.47)
  • From Richard Menedetter@2:310/31 to Ozz Nixon on Tuesday, February 11, 2020 15:56:10
    Hi Ozz!

    09 Feb 2020 01:26, from Ozz Nixon -> Alexey Vissarionov:

    Thinking seems to be a heavy task for you... Otherwise you'd perform
    the development and testing in a separate dedicated environment.
    Fuck off!

    Guys ... come on!

    And BTW i agree with what he said ... but one could phrase it a little nicer. But using a life network for testing purposes is NOT a good idea.
    Actually it is a VERY, VERY BAD idea!

    CU, Ricsi

    ... When people agree with me I always feel that I must be wrong.
    --- GoldED+/LNX
    * Origin: Not to know is bad, but not to wish to know is worse. (2:310/31)
  • From Ozz Nixon@1:1/123 to Alexey Vissarionov on Wednesday, February 12, 2020 23:36:09
    Who cares? The node is either capable of receiving incoming connections or >leaving the nodelist in a month (2 weeks with "Hold" prefix, 2 weeks with >"Down", then deleted).

    Exactly... WHO CARES?!
    --- Legacy/X FTN Tosser/JAM v1-Alpha3
    * Origin: Legacy/X WHQ (Legacy ANSI at Today's Speed) (1:1/123)
  • From Ozz Nixon@1:1/123 to Richard Menedetter on Wednesday, February 12, 2020 23:38:26
    Guys ... come on!

    Well, at least it shows the mail flows... only one system I have not successfully communicated with now... Wards. 5 ther softwares have
    worked fine.
    --- Legacy/X FTN Tosser/JAM v1-Alpha3
    * Origin: Legacy/X WHQ (Legacy ANSI at Today's Speed) (1:1/123)
  • From Ozz Nixon@1:1/123 to Oli on Wednesday, February 12, 2020 23:41:19
    What is this? Psychopathic word salad?

    Well, your reply shows me my filter in the tosser works great, no
    Alexey.
    --- Legacy/X FTN Tosser/JAM v1-Alpha3
    * Origin: Legacy/X WHQ (Legacy ANSI at Today's Speed) (1:1/123)