• 2FTSC Standianding Member Election - Nominations Status

    From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Ward Dossche on Sunday, December 01, 2019 17:00:32
    Hello Ward,

    Ozz Nixon is listed as 1:1/123, PCBoard Help. Does that count?

    + 02 Dec 01:32:40 [5508] call to 1:1/123@fidonet
    02 Dec 01:32:41 [5508] trying saltairbbs.com [107.155.113.11]...
    ? 02 Dec 01:33:02 [5508] connection to 1:1/123@fidonet failed: {W32
    API error 10060} Connection timed out

    What do you think ?

    I think that is an issue. I don't know how long that has been the case or why.

    I'll try to contact him and bring this to his attention although if saltairbbs.com is not answering that may be hard to do. I'll try to find a way.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Ward Dossche on Sunday, December 01, 2019 19:46:54
    Hello Ward,

    Ozz Nixon is listed as 1:1/123, PCBoard Help. Does that count?

    + 02 Dec 01:32:40 [5508] call to 1:1/123@fidonet
    02 Dec 01:32:41 [5508] trying saltairbbs.com [107.155.113.11]...
    ? 02 Dec 01:33:02 [5508] connection to 1:1/123@fidonet failed: {W32
    API error 10060} Connection timed out

    What do you think ?

    I heard back from Ozz. He is out of town and not able to restart his mailer until he gets back.

    Ttyl :-),
    Al

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  • From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to Alan Ianson on Monday, December 02, 2019 10:12:42
    Hello Alan,

    On Sunday December 01 2019 17:00, you wrote to Ward Dossche:

    [107.155.113.11]... ? 02 Dec 01:33:02 [5508] connection to
    1:1/123@fidonet failed: {W32 API error 10060} Connection timed
    out

    What do you think ?

    I think that is an issue. I don't know how long that has been the case
    or why.

    It has been the case for a long time. Almost a year. Ozz was elected last year and shortly after he dropped off the radar. His contribution to the FTSC hase been zero.


    Cheers, Michiel

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  • From Terry Roati@3:640/1321 to Michiel Van Der Vlist on Monday, December 02, 2019 19:57:46
    Hi Michiel,

    On Dec 02, 2019 10:11am, Michiel van der Vlist wrote to Alan Ianson:

    MvdV> It has been the case for a long time. Almost a year. Ozz was elected
    MvdV> last year and shortly after he dropped off the radar. His
    MvdV> contribution to the FTSC hase been zero.

    About the same as the rest of the FTSC then, there maybe discussions going on but no real output which is no necessarily a bad thing, however can someone tell me what has been documented in the last two years?

    Terry

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  • From Carol Shenkenberger@1:275/100 to Alan Ianson on Monday, December 02, 2019 22:43:54
    Re: 2FTSC Standianding Member Election - Nominations Status
    By: Alan Ianson to Ward Dossche on Sun Dec 01 2019 05:00 pm

    Hello Ward,

    Ozz Nixon is listed as 1:1/123, PCBoard Help. Does that count?

    + 02 Dec 01:32:40 [5508] call to 1:1/123@fidonet
    02 Dec 01:32:41 [5508] trying saltairbbs.com [107.155.113.11]...
    ? 02 Dec 01:33:02 [5508] connection to 1:1/123@fidonet failed: {W32
    API error 10060} Connection timed out

    What do you think ?

    I think that is an issue. I don't know how long that has been the case or wh

    I'll try to contact him and bring this to his attention although if saltairbbs.com is not answering that may be hard to do. I'll try to find a w

    Ttyl :-),
    Al


    Already did as soon as alerted. He's replying.
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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Carol Shenkenberger on Tuesday, December 03, 2019 10:19:22
    Carol,

    I'll try to contact him and bring this to his attention although if saltairbbs.com is not answering that may be hard to do. I'll try to
    find a w

    Already did as soon as alerted. He's replying.

    You're not "pulling a Janis here", are you ?

    \%/@rd

    From the dictionary "Pulling a Janis" ...

    'Masquerading inbound calls by an otherwise unreachable party as your
    own legitimate outbound-calls suggesting the other node is reachable
    without actually saying so'

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  • From Carol Shenkenberger@1:275/100 to Ward Dossche on Tuesday, December 03, 2019 23:06:25
    Re: Re: 2FTSC Standianding Member Election - Nominations Status
    By: Ward Dossche to Carol Shenkenberger on Tue Dec 03 2019 10:19 am

    Carol,

    I'll try to contact him and bring this to his attention although if saltairbbs.com is not answering that may be hard to do. I'll try to
    find a w

    Already did as soon as alerted. He's replying.

    You're not "pulling a Janis here", are you ?

    \%/@rd

    From the dictionary "Pulling a Janis" ...

    'Masquerading inbound calls by an otherwise unreachable party as your
    own legitimate outbound-calls suggesting the other node is reachable
    without actually saying so'


    Grin, ask Andrew.

    xxcarol
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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Alexey Vissarionov on Wednesday, December 04, 2019 06:50:33
    good feature request may be almost a half of all work.

    That does not fare well with the FTSC job description.



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  • From Alexey Vissarionov@2:5020/545 to Björn Felten on Wednesday, December 04, 2019 16:44:00
    Good ${greeting_time}, Bjrn!

    04 Dec 2019 06:50:32, you wrote to me:

    good feature request may be almost a half of all work.
    That does not fare well with the FTSC job description.

    Ward never was a member of FTSC - only invited guest, being ZC.


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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Ward Dossche on Friday, December 06, 2019 01:32:06
    On 12-05-19 07:37, Kurt Weiske <=-
    spoke to Ward Dossche about Re: 2019 FTSC Standing Me <=-


    Ward Dossche wrote to Dan Richter <=-

    Never been to New Mexico ... give me an excuse to go there ... please?

    Taos. Beautiful town high up in the mountains in NM, the touristy
    section looked like it fell out of 1880. Great skiing.

    Kurt overlooked a mention of the Philmont Scout ranch which is about 60
    miles from Taos. Do a google search for their web page. Maybe you
    might like to go there instead of where you have been going? I went
    there as a new Explorer scout 65 years ago, and still have fond
    memories.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Dale Shipp on Friday, December 06, 2019 10:46:38
    Hi Dale,

    Kurt overlooked a mention of the Philmont Scout ranch which is about 60 miles from Taos. Do a google search for their web page. Maybe you
    might like to go there instead of where you have been going? I went
    there as a new Explorer scout 65 years ago, and still have fond
    memories.

    Thank you for remembering that aspect of me. It is something that shapes a person.

    You will be not amused learning how it is going. Not a theme for this conference but I'll go ahead anyway.

    When former Secretary of Defense Gates became the chairman of the BSA a period of change manifested itself. He started the process which eventually allowed gay youth to become a member (which in itself is ridiculous because how many 10yr olds have outed themselves already ... the BSA has always had gay youngsters. Even my former camp director was) openly and the LDS-church was not
    amused.

    Then like 2 years or so ago the decision was made to open the organisation for girls as well, the BSA-programme was very appealing to them and the Girl Scouts
    was ... very girlly ... remember the girl-scout cookies versus the popcorn (actually, I like that minted chocolate). And the name of the organisation was chenged to reflect that.

    The LDS-church, which is the main financial backer, decided they could accepts gays ... but girls?? <shudder> ... "Oh no" ... and the quorum of the 12 decided
    they were pulling all their youth out of scouting and were starting up their own youth programme without any idea what they were getting theirselves into ... a worldwide organisation of bible-chompers, scripture-devourers (the LDS-scriptures are a set of books different to what other Christians would call
    'scriptures') and lecturers about the book of Mormon ... a gigantic brainwash operation.

    That is going to happen on February 1st 2020 when the re-chartering occurs and the LDS-chuch will not re-charter their groups. Troops can seek a different re-charter but the pressure by the church and its structures through their bisshops is enormous. A lot of kids will leave a valuable programme and go to a
    brainwash.

    It also means the LDS-church will not be pouring the hundreds of millions of US$ anymore in the scouting organisation which has become so dependant on it that a financial heart-attack is threatening the organisation. They will be losing about 40% of their annual income in one blow, impossible to hide it in the books.

    Several councils are going to take a serious hit in membership ... Montana between 40 and 60%, Arizona 80%, Washington state 80% ... that's what's being projected...

    Councils will go bankrupt or merge with other councils to remain viable ... camps will need to close because the critical mass of campers to keep them affordable will not be reached anymore. The organisation seems to fail to understand that the 400 resident camps will now need to scramble to get campers
    from a mass up to 60% smaller to stay with their nose above the water and keep
    breathing.

    Also, the organisation seems to be suffering from several lawsuits for sex-abuse by leaders of small boys. All that information has stayed under the radar because it involved minors and was kept out of the press. Impressive sums
    have been awarded by courts and in other cases councils have been able to settle out of court ...

    It's a little bit like the catholic church ... older men playing with the willies of little boys and everything remains hushed-up.

    So ... a lot of money is needed to keep the organisation afloat, some people in
    Irving TX (the head office) are making 7-digit salaries ... on scouting ?? Plus all the law suits and settlements.

    Therefor, and here my story joins your words, the national scouting organisation mortgaged the Philmont ranch without any guarantee they'll ever be
    able to repay it but hoping the banks will never call in their markers because
    ... these are the scouts.

    My last summer camp, Camp Fife in WA, is folding for next summer, only 25 kids.
    The other camp of that same council is still open, but only 16 kids entered so
    far.

    It's not looking good, Dale.

    \%/@rd

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Ward Dossche on Saturday, December 07, 2019 00:49:00
    On 12-06-19 10:46, Ward Dossche <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: 2019 FTSC Standing M <=-

    It's not looking good, Dale.

    Thanks for that. I knew some of it from other sources, and some of it
    from you in other posts -- but you laid out a lot that I did not know
    about. It does not sound good.

    Dale Shipp
    fido_261_1466 (at) verizon (dot) net
    (1:261/1466)


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  • From Bjrn Felten@2:203/2 to Paul Quinn on Monday, December 09, 2019 13:45:33
    The most advanced piece of FTN software, Radius, used to use it.

    I've been working a lot with the Radius source code, and I can assure you that it does NOT use the INA flag for any useful information.

    It tries to resort to that flag if every other internet flag is failing (usually failing that too), but then I don't think you can call it actually using it?

    Maybe I should ask how many nodes have just the INA flag and no other IP related flag?



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  • From Paul Quinn@3:640/1384 to Bjrn Felten on Monday, December 09, 2019 22:56:38
    Hi! Bjrn,

    On 09 Dec 19 13:45, you wrote to me:

    The most advanced piece of FTN software, Radius, used to use it.

    I've been working a lot with the Radius source code, and I can
    assure you that it does NOT use the INA flag for any useful
    information.

    Keep looking. I sent _many_ off-the-cuff 'direct' netmails to people I'd never
    done so in the past, which succeeded when the only address flag was an INA entry. Imagine my (genuine!) surprise. I tell you this from first-hand experience; not hearsay.

    It tries to resort to that flag if every other internet flag is
    failing (usually failing that too), but then I don't think you can
    call it actually using it?

    A fall-through? And, this is a bad thing? Really? 8-)

    Maybe I should ask how many nodes have just the INA flag and no
    other IP related flag?

    I am not that sort of Linux whiz. Wrong guy.

    Cheers,
    Paul.

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  • From Bjrn Felten@2:203/2 to Paul Quinn on Monday, December 09, 2019 16:07:02
    A fall-through? And, this is a bad thing? Really? 8-)

    If you have an FTN compliant server connected via internet, and you don't know what protocol(s) your server is using? Yes, I think that is a bad thing.



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  • From Paul Quinn@3:640/1384.125 to Björn Felten on Tuesday, December 10, 2019 07:44:13
    Hi! Björn,

    On 12/10/2019 01:07 AM, you wrote:

    A fall-through? And, this is a bad thing? Really? 8-)

    If you have an FTN compliant server connected via internet, and you don't know what protocol(s) your server is using? Yes, I think that is a bad thing.

    Protocols. Mmm... well, if POTS is out of the question or FTP is not your thing and you have a hate on binkP, and TELnet gives you the shits, then, I guess IFCico is your goto protocol. Radius can do it (with an override).

    Cheers,
    Paul.

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