Sean,

Then we discovered that to get from Gibraltar to
Spain one had to go via Morocco since the border was closed due to SD>DS> some spat that Spain was having with England.

That was between 1969 and 1982 when the border was closed by order of Franco.

From what I understand, that happens a lot on that border.

In that case you probably understand wrong.

Good thing for forethought. I won't travel overseas (or even to Canada) without trip insurance anymore. It's cheap and if something does happen, it's worth every penny.

Same here.

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In that case you probably understand wrong.

I did some research and yes, I was quite wrong. I must have gotten my
messages mixed up somewhere.

Same here.

With my health, it'd behoove me to make sure that I was covered in any situation.

Later,
Sean


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In that case you probably understand wrong.

I did some research and yes, I was quite wrong. I must have gotten my messages mixed up somewhere.

To err is human and this is a special case.

There has been the time-span Gibraltar was locked-up by Spain, that is well-documented. But there are also the times when the border-guards went on strike over salary issues, opening times, adequate staffing. Hotel maids went on strike too. The thing is because the UK never was a Schengen-treaty country,
there is a hard border with Spain with customs and immigration stations. (just
as there always has been one with France)

The real funny detail is that the runway of the Gibraltar airport in fact lengthwise is also the border and it is intersected by a north-south road. When
a plane is about to land or take-off, the road is closed and cleared so that the runway becomes usable.

Years ago Spain mellowed a lot over border-issues because Gibraltar is a top tourist-site and thousands of Spaniards each day cross the border to work there.

Same here.

With my health, it'd behoove me to make sure that I was covered in any situation.

Traveling without health- and travel-insurance is inviting disaster. July 4th 1992 we got stuck in Washington DC with a 9 month baby having a viral attack of
the respiratory airways ... look at the date ... and the place.

Called the insurance number and instead of a day full of gloom we made the fireworks on the Mall that evening and had a story to tell years down the road.

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Hello Dale.

19 Feb 19 00:50, you wrote to Ward Dossche:

Then we discovered that to get from Gibraltar to
Spain one had to go via Morocco since the border was closed due to
some spat that Spain was having with England.

From what I understand, that happens a lot on that border.

Fortunately, we got out
of the reservation because of a medical event and trip insurance.

Good thing for forethought. I won't travel overseas (or even to Canada) without trip insurance anymore. It's cheap and if something does happen, it's worth every penny.

Later,
Sean

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If AoC can protest that "All latino people should be able to migrate freely >across the continent because they're indigenous to it," then I think it's not

I don't think that is really true. It is sort of like Elizabeth Warren
being native. She has some native in her somewhere, but she is also of a
lot of non-native desent. If a latino has a Spanish or Portugese last name, they are also somewhat of European desent. Just like in the US and Canada, there are not really that many folks in "Latin America" that are truly indigenous (i.e. "Native American," "First Nations," or "Indians").

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Both of these ladies are claiming native heritage, which they both probably have, but regardless of which part of the earth someone is native to, nobody should have the right to just cruise countries like they're migratory hummingbirds with no need for a passport, or any scrutiny.

I would never visit a country that does not protect its borders.

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I would never visit a country that does not protect its borders.

The Holy See doesn't protect its borders.

Neither does Monaco, Andorra, Liechtenstein, Spain, Portugal, France, Luxembourg, Belgium, Netherlands, Germany, Austria, Italy and a bunch of others...

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I would never visit a country that does not protect its borders.

Agreed. Countries that do that are usually full of illegal activities and
are not very safe.

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Neither does Monaco, Andorra, Liechtenstein, Spain, Portugal, France, Luxembourg, Belgium, Netherlands, Germany, Austria, Italy and a bunch of others...

Thankfully, many elected officials in the USA are interested in protecting human life.

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Hello Aaron,

Both of these ladies are claiming native heritage, which they both

probably

have, but regardless of which part of the earth someone is native to,

nobody

should have the right to just cruise countries like they're migratory hummingbirds with no need for a passport, or any scrutiny.

I would never visit a country that does not protect its borders.

Up until the GWB administration Americans could travel to and from
the US and Mexico without a passport, and children could travel
without any kind of documentation whatsoever. Mexicans could also
travel to and fro, many of them working in the USA and living in
Mexico.

El Paso has always been a safe city. For both Americans and
Mexicans. No high crime or anything even approaching criminal
activity by Mexicans. No wall was necessary. And yet we are
told that El Paso was, and is, a most dangerous place. What
more lies will we be told so that The Orange One can get his
own way?

Do you see Trump pontificating about needing a wall to protect
this country from Canadians? No money in that endeavor. Can't
buy forest land as cheap as desert land. And besides, nobody
in their right mind would want to move to the Frozen North in
the middle of winter.

Passports are a fairly new invention. Up until the early
part of the 20th century, people just went wherever they wanted
whenever they wanted, with nothing more than the clothes on
their backs being all they really needed.

Most Irish immigrants to the USA got here by crossing the
border between Canada and the USA. No papers needed, just
finding a place to cross. Usually open terrain.

This will all pass soon enough. 22 months left until
the presidential election. And then another 2 months for
the current resident to pack his bags.

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Hello Aaron,

Neither does Monaco, Andorra, Liechtenstein, Spain, Portugal, France,
Luxembourg, Belgium, Netherlands, Germany, Austria, Italy and a bunch
of others...

Thankfully, many elected officials in the USA are interested in protecting human life.

Former congressman Beto O'Roarke is advocating the existing wall
between the US and Mexico be torn down, due to the number of deaths
over the past ten years. IOW, he is claiming that over 4,000 people
(men, women and children) have died over the past ten years because
they had to travel through desolate terrain in order to get to the
USA so as to apply for asylum.

Much better to tear down the wall and let everybody in, then
decide if their case has merit. That way, everybody lives and
nobody dies. Even if nobody gets to stay forever.

Now that is a pro-life kind of politician!

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Ward Dossche wrote to aaron thomas <=-

I would never visit a country that does not protect its borders.

The Holy See doesn't protect its borders.

From:
https://tinyurl.com/yyler25r (vaticanstate.va)

"Vatican City covers a territory of 0.44 square kilometres, that is 44 hectares (roughly 100 acres). It is partly surrounded by walls and
stretches into St Peters Square as far as a strip of travertine stone
that corresponds with the furthest end of the colonnade. This marks the boundary of the State and the edge of the Square which is normally open
to everyone. Even though it is part of Vatican City, the Square is
usually patrolled by members of the Italian Police Force.

There are five entrances to Vatican City, each of them guarded by the Pontifical Swiss Guards and by the Gendarmes Corps of Vatican City
State. The entrance to the Vatican Museums is on Viale Vaticano, not far
from Piazza del Risorgimento."

So yes, the Holy See -does- protect its borders.

The rest of your list of countries all have militaries that are
charge for protecting each country's borders.

Later,
Sean

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Lee Lofaso wrote to aaron thomas <=-

Do you see Trump pontificating about needing a wall to protect
this country from Canadians?

Hey, if they're armed with hockey sticks and maple syrup, I think
Canadians can take care of themselves.

Seriously though, there's much less of a problem with illegal aliens
coming in from Canada to the US than Mexico to the US. Also, our
northern border is in many ways harder to breech than our southern one geographically.

I've been to El Paso a few times. A nice city to visit. Always enjoyed
going there.

Later,
Sean

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Sean,

So yes, the Holy See -does- protect its borders.

Next time you're in Rome, let me know so you can show this border protection. Let me put it this way, I've been there enough ... one just walks in there, unquestioned.

The rest of your list of countries all have militaries that are
charge for protecting each country's borders.

No, they are not. For example, I can drive from Belgium through Luxembourg into
NE France or western Germany at a steady speed of 140km/h and not slow down at
the border. I can continue through France or Germany into Italy and will not be stopped at the borders ... There simply are no guards. All these countries are Schengen-Treaty countries and as a result have dissolved border checks and customs. I understand that for some that is difficult to grasp, but it's the case anyway.

We do have military patroling Brussels airport (after the 2016 bombing there, but that's counter terrorism) but they're not involved in border protection, that's a special police-unit of border police ... and I already noticed they don't hire the brightest of the bright.

I drive into the seaport of Antwerp often, that's also a border ... never see any military there.

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Seriously though, there's much less of a problem with illegal aliens
coming in from Canada to the US than Mexico to the US. Also, our
northern border is in many ways harder to breech than our southern one geographically.

I would love it when people would start using "undocumented" instead of "illegal". The latter pushes them immediately into the criminal bracket while they're just looking for a better life ...

I've experienced the northern border in winter conditions and I fully concur. In the "sawth" they'll die of thirst, in the "nawth" they'll freeze their nuts off.

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Neither does Monaco, Andorra, Liechtenstein, Spain, Portugal, France, at>WD> Luxembourg, Belgium, Netherlands, Germany, Austria, Italy and a
bunch of others...

Thankfully, many elected officials in the USA are interested in
protecting human life.

I'm happy you're thankful ... BTW any idea about the death toll because of the wall?

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Hello Ward.

16 Feb 19 12:11, you wrote to me:

I would love it when people would start using "undocumented" instead
of "illegal". The latter pushes them immediately into the criminal
bracket while they're just looking for a better life ...

That's because in the US, Ward, sneaking in over the border is breaking the law, so yes, it is an illegal act. I'm not one to sugarcoat things to assuage people's political leanings. Breaking the law is breaking the law whether you're supposedly looking for a better life or not.

I've experienced the northern border in winter conditions and I fully concur. In the "sawth" they'll die of thirst, in the "nawth" they'll freeze their nuts off.

I had a friend who owns land along the Arizona/Mexico border. He's had several
illegals die on his land from thirst and starvation. He finally broke down and had to put up an electrified fence to keep border jumpers from trespassing on his land.

Sean

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If AoC can protest that "All latino people should be able to migrate

freely

across the continent because they're indigenous to it," then I think

it's not

I don't think that is really true.

That's because it isn't. All those Latinos who think the US stole the
entire western US from Mexico and should give it back ignore the fact that *they* stole Mexico from the Axtecs and Mayas. They also ignore the fact
that the California coast north of San Francisco was colonized by imperial Russia and was never part of Mexico.
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Seriously though, there's much less of a problem with illegal

aliens

coming in from Canada to the US than Mexico to the US. Also, our northern border is in many ways harder to breech than our southern

one

geographically.

I would love it when people would start using "undocumented" instead of "illegal". The latter pushes them immediately into the criminal bracket

while

they're just looking for a better life ...

I find it amusing that thousands of penniless, marginally literate
Central American peasants suddenly decided to up and move to the US. And
they aren't walking, as some have claimed, that last crowd arrived at the
US border in forty or so buses, I wonder who paid for that.

If someone crosses the border without permission - and a visa is
permission - he or she IS a criminal, and they are ILLEGAL immigrants.

The idea they are seeking political asylum is a new development, these illegals have been sneaking in for decades
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Lee Lofaso wrote to aaron thomas <=-

Former congressman Beto O'Roarke is advocating the existing wall
between the US and Mexico be torn down, due to the number of deaths
over the past ten years. IOW, he is claiming that over 4,000 people
(men, women and children) have died over the past ten years because
they had to travel through desolate terrain in order to get to the
USA so as to apply for asylum.

As far as I know, you need to travel through one of the border crossings in order to request assylum.

I don't have any answers for this, but seeing disregard for human life
doesn't suit us as a country. Watching ICE pouring out bottles of water
left for border crossers? Unconscionable. I couldn't imagine the mindset of someone who could do that.


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Ward Dossche wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

I would love it when people would start using "undocumented" instead of "illegal". The latter pushes them immediately into the criminal bracket while they're just looking for a better life ...

Undocumented border crossings are illegal, regardless of the intent.

Our border situation is a mess. We need more workers in California than we
let in legally, and everyone turns a blind eye to the thousands of farm
workers who work for lower wages than Americans would work for, and allow
Big Ag to sell produce competitively.

People want illegal immigration to stop, people complain about border
states going broke with welfare and human services expenses, but no one
wants to pay $10 for a head of lettuce.

I've heard horror stories about non-citizens applying for public
assistance, but most of the stories I've heard and seen are of people
trying to keep their heads down, keep off the radar and make some money to
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Neither does Monaco, Andorra, Liechtenstein, Spain, Portugal, France, Luxembourg, Belgium, Netherlands, Germany, Austria, Italy and a bunch of others...

Ummm... Spain protects some of its borders. Maybe not the ones with France
or Portugal, but they do the ones with Morocco. They had a caravan of sub-saharans charging those walls/barriers sometime within the last year or two.

That said, I think most of those countries you listed above are members of
the EU, only border other EU countries, and don't share borders with non-EU countries. Not real good examples.

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I would love it when people would start using "undocumented" instead KW>WD> of "illegal". The latter pushes them immediately into the criminal KW>WD> bracket while they're just looking for a better life ...

Undocumented border crossings are illegal, regardless of the intent.

But there are different ways to deal with it. As it now stands these people are
labeled as 'criminals' which 99.9999% are not.

Our border situation is a mess. We need more workers in California than
we
let in legally, and everyone turns a blind eye to the thousands of farm workers who work for lower wages than Americans would work for, and allow Big Ag to sell produce competitively.

It's even worse .... your (beautiful American) National Parks can only thrive because of the piles of foreign "students" with special "educational visas" to work inside park boundaries ... most of them cleaning toilets in park hotels/motels, works as room-maids, delivery-truck drivers, selling ice-cream, doing dishes, picking up garbage, you name it ... for the simple reason that American youngsters do not want to work for those wages anymore.

So the work-around is "educational visas" and fly-in Bulgarian kids, Romanian, Russian, Polish ... even with the cost of the interview to obtain the visa, the
plane ticket, other related travel, room and board with a salary determined by
the State Department they are still cheaper than Americans.

Don't say I'm bullshiting you because "been there, done that, got the T-shirt" ... the years was 2013 and the situation is unchanged.

People want illegal immigration to stop, people complain about border states going broke with welfare and human services expenses, but no one wants to pay $10 for a head of lettuce.

It's a worldwide thing. Here in Europe too.

I've heard horror stories about non-citizens applying for public assistance, but most of the stories I've heard and seen are of people trying to keep their heads down, keep off the radar and make some money
to send home.

Watch-out with stories you hear ... if they aren't verifiable then it didn't happen.

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Mike,

Ummm... Spain protects some of its borders. Maybe not the ones with
France or Portugal, but they do the ones with Morocco.

Please look at what that border is and where it is located. It's about the same
as claiming that Guantanamo also needs a wall to keep illegal immigrants out.

That said, I think most of those countries you listed above are members
of the EU, only border other EU countries, and don't share borders with non-EU countries. Not real good examples.

Irrelevant. the statement I reacted to was:

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The rest of your list of countries all have militaries that are
charge for protecting each country's borders. ****************************************************************************

Very good example therefor. Also because there is a difference between EU-countries, Schengen-Treaty countries and the ones that are not.

Norway is not a EU-country. Neither are the Holy See, Liechtenstein, Monaco, Andorra, Switzerland ... But Norway is a Schengen country, just as Liechtenstein and Switzerland.

Ireland is EU and not Schengen but nobody wants to go there anymore. And the UK
... well ... I hope they live happily ever after after Brexit.

FYI ... The Schengen Area is an area comprising 26 European states that have officially abolished passport and all other types of border control at their mutual borders. The area mostly functions as a single jurisdiction for international travel purposes, with a common visa policy

The borders are there, but no need of protecting the internal border. Most of the outside border is "water". Except the area to the east, mainly the southeast. There was a major influx of undocumented immigrants in the past but that has been stopped in part by making it more difficult to make the trip (to be honest, in winter it is hell), by keeping them and screening them close to their point of departure in Turkey (for which the EU pays). Rejected applicants
for immigration are transported back tot heir country of origin ... that screening is a process that can take years.

The only route still open is across the Mediterranean, the difficulty containing that is the political instability of Lybia.

But comparing our immigrant-scare wth yours is comparing oranges with apples.

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Re: Re: natives
By: Ward Dossche to Kurt Weiske on Sun Feb 17 2019 01:15 am

I've heard horror stories about non-citizens applying for public
assistance, but most of the stories I've heard and seen are of people
trying to keep their heads down, keep off the radar and make some
money to send home.

Watch-out with stories you hear ... if they aren't verifiable then it didn't happen.

Heard, and seen - first hand.
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Ummm... Spain protects some of its borders. Maybe not the ones with France or Portugal, but they do the ones with Morocco. They had a
caravan of sub-saharans charging those walls/barriers sometime within
the last year or two.

There is no border between Spain and Morocco. The path from Morocco to
Spain is open water. The southern border of Spain is with England
(Gibraltar). They have been known to put up a barrier at that border.

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Dale,

There is no border between Spain and Morocco.

I beg to differ.

Little known to many but there are 2 Spanish enclaves on the Maroccon coast.

You can google for "Melilla" and "Ceuta".

Mike was right. There's a gigantic high barrier with razor wire and some time ago African young men climbed it seriously injuring themselves thinking they would be sent to mainland Spain to get their injuries treated. That didn't go well, they got a band-aid and were kicked-out.

Back to Africa.

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Please look at what that border is and where it is located. It's about the same
as claiming that Guantanamo also needs a wall to keep illegal immigrants out.

No, I doubt anyone wants into Guantanamo. OTOH, you deleted the
part where I pointed out that it had recently been challenged by a caravan meaning that people DO want into that part of Spain.

Apples and Oranges... or maybe Apples and Red Meat... no relation
whatsoever.

That said, I think most of those countries you listed above are members of the EU, only border other EU countries, and don't share borders with non-EU countries. Not real good examples.

Irrelevant.

No, that is completely relevant. The EU has an open borders policy. The countries that share borders with non-EU contries have had issues keeping non-EU folks out in the past (you reference this below). The EU did not
really want them protecting their borders, but they did.

The EU countries that are most happy with open borders are the ones
surrounded by other EU countries which, I suspect, includes your country.

the statement I reacted to was:

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The rest of your list of countries all have militaries that are
charge for protecting each country's borders. ****************************************************************************

That can't be the one you reacted to because it references your list of countries, which did not exist yet when you posted it. :D I responded to
the same message that poster did... the one with the list.

Norway is not a EU-country. Neither are the Holy See, Liechtenstein, Monaco, Andorra, Switzerland ... But Norway is a Schengen country, just as Liechtenstein and Switzerland.

Still making my point.

FYI ... The Schengen Area is an area comprising 26 European states that have officially abolished passport and all other types of border control at their mutual borders. The area mostly functions as a single jurisdiction for international travel purposes, with a common visa policy

So they have no protection at their non-shared borders, which would be what
our left wants and would be an apples to apples comparison?

The borders are there, but no need of protecting the internal border. Most of >the outside border is "water". Except the area to the east, mainly the >southeast. There was a major influx of undocumented immigrants in the past but >that has been stopped in part by making it more difficult to make the trip (to >be honest, in winter it is hell), by keeping them and screening them close to >their point of departure in Turkey (for which the EU pays). Rejected applicants
for immigration are transported back tot heir country of origin ... that >screening is a process that can take years.

That sounds good. Our political left does not want walls or screenings or anything that stops everyone from coming in... so long as they are of an ethnicity that they take for granted as one who sees things their way.

So, if you are Mexican or Central American, come right on in! If you come across the sea from Haiti or the Dominican, come right on in! No criminal record, or a murderer, who cares?!?

But if you come across from Cuba, we are sending your ass right back!

comparing our immigrant-scare wth yours is comparing oranges with apples.

I agree, which makes me wonder what point your list of coutries without border protection was making in the first place. I sure missed it!

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There is no border between Spain and Morocco. The path from Morocco to
Spain is open water. The southern border of Spain is with England (Gibraltar). They have been known to put up a barrier at that border.

False. Look real careful at a map of Northern Africa.... Spain has two inclaves (or is it exclaves?) on the Southern side of the Mediterranean shore... i.e. in Africa. That is where they have had some issues with sub-saharran caravans.

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I agree, which makes me wonder what point your list of coutries without border protection was making in the first place. I sure missed it!

This kind of reasoning over the years became the hallmark of Roy Witt and it was called "Pulling a Witt". But Roy was the undisputed master.

Take care,

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Hello Sean,

I would never visit a country that does not protect its borders.

The Holy See doesn't protect its borders.

From:
https://tinyurl.com/yyler25r (vaticanstate.va)

"Vatican City covers a territory of 0.44 square kilometres, that is 44 hectares (roughly 100 acres). It is partly surrounded by walls and stretches into St Peters Square as far as a strip of travertine stone
that corresponds with the furthest end of the colonnade. This marks the boundary of the State and the edge of the Square which is normally open
to everyone. Even though it is part of Vatican City, the Square is
usually patrolled by members of the Italian Police Force.

There are five entrances to Vatican City, each of them guarded by the Pontifical Swiss Guards and by the Gendarmes Corps of Vatican City
State. The entrance to the Vatican Museums is on Viale Vaticano, not far from Piazza del Risorgimento."

A state within a city within a state.

So yes, the Holy See -does- protect its borders.

Adolf Hitler was Catholic.
Adolf Hitler invaded Vatican City.
Adolf Hitler allowed the pope to live.
Adolf Hitler was never excommunicated.

The Holy See does protect its own.

The rest of your list of countries all have militaries that are
charge for protecting each country's borders.

The Swiss Guard is assigned to defend the pope.
Nothing else. The US has contingency plans to invade
Vatican City. But regime change would be out of the
question.

Is the pope Catholic?

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Hello Sean,

Do you see Trump pontificating about needing a wall to protect
this country from Canadians?

Hey, if they're armed with hockey sticks and maple syrup, I think Canadians can take care of themselves.

The last time we invaded Canada (burning Toronto) things did
not turn out so well for Washington DC.

Seriously though, there's much less of a problem with illegal aliens coming in from Canada to the US than Mexico to the US. Also, our
northern border is in many ways harder to breech than our southern one geographically.

Nobody wants to freeze their nuts off. Or one would think.
Look at how many Muslims from Syria and Turkey have resettled
in Sweden and Germany, and other places in Europe. Seems
to me they are willing to dress the part.

I've been to El Paso a few times. A nice city to visit. Always enjoyed going there.

Very safe city. Not just for Americans, but also for tourists.
Like any major city, there is crime. But in relation to other
cities, the crime rate in El Paso is much lower. Just compare
stats.

The crime rate between Baton Rouge and New Orleans is probably
the highest in the US. Why? Drug trafficking corridor. When
the focus is on the US/Mexico border, drugs get here through
Florida. When the focus is on Florida, drugs get here through
the US/Mexico border.

Building a wall is not the answer. What is needed is hiring
more people (border patrol) and having better technology. That
means increased funding.

--Lee

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Hello Ward,

Neither does Monaco, Andorra, Liechtenstein, Spain, Portugal, France,
Luxembourg, Belgium, Netherlands, Germany, Austria, Italy and a
bunch of others...

Thankfully, many elected officials in the USA are interested in
protecting human life.

I'm happy you're thankful ... BTW any idea about the death toll because of the wall?

Beto O'Rourke says about 4,000 men, women and children have died
over the past ten years as a direct result of the wall.

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Hello Sean,

I would love it when people would start using "undocumented" instead
of "illegal". The latter pushes them immediately into the criminal
bracket while they're just looking for a better life ...

That's because in the US, Ward, sneaking in over the border is breaking

the

law, so yes, it is an illegal act.

Like jaywalking, it is nothing but a misdemeanor.

I'm not one to sugarcoat things to assuage people's political leanings.

Nobody ever went to prison for jaywalking or any other
misdemeanor of that nature. So why are you getting yourself
all worked up?

Breaking the law is breaking the law whether you're supposedly looking for

a

better life or not.

If we locked up everybody who committed a misdemeanor we would
not have anybody living at home.

I've experienced the northern border in winter conditions and I fully
concur. In the "sawth" they'll die of thirst, in the "nawth" they'll
freeze their nuts off.

I had a friend who owns land along the Arizona/Mexico border. He's had several illegals die on his land from thirst and starvation. He finally broke down and had to put up an electrified fence to keep border jumpers from trespassing on his land.

Your friend better hope and pray PETA never finds out about this.
Coyotes and possum and roadrunners and other critters have RIGHTS!

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Hello Kurt,

Former congressman Beto O'Roarke is advocating the existing wall
between the US and Mexico be torn down, due to the number of deaths
over the past ten years. IOW, he is claiming that over 4,000 people
(men, women and children) have died over the past ten years because
they had to travel through desolate terrain in order to get to the
USA so as to apply for asylum.

As far as I know, you need to travel through one of the border crossings

in

order to request assylum.

You have to cross the border. Not necessarily through one of the
border crossings, or port of entry. Once here, an individual can
request asylum.

I don't have any answers for this, but seeing disregard for human life doesn't suit us as a country. Watching ICE pouring out bottles of water left for border crossers? Unconscionable. I couldn't imagine the mindset

of

someone who could do that.

The Trump administration's "zero tolerance" policy is inhuman, and
should never have been implemented in the first place.

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Hello Kurt,

I would love it when people would start using "undocumented" instead of
"illegal". The latter pushes them immediately into the criminal bracket
while they're just looking for a better life ...

Undocumented border crossings are illegal, regardless of the intent.

Eskimos in Alaska and Siberia can freely travel between the US and
Russia without the need of a passport or any other documentation.

Cubans who made it to our shores could also do the same, until
Obama and Castro struck a deal normalizing relations between the
US and Cuba. Now Cubans who want to come here have to buy a
ticket and fly, rather than sneak across in a rickety boat.

Our border situation is a mess.

Seems pretty peaceful to me. What is causing a mess is not
having enough housing for those seeking asylum. And not enough
judges to hear their cases.

We need more workers in California than we let in legally, and everyone turns a blind eye to the thousands of farm workers who work for lower

wages

than Americans would work for, and allow
Big Ag to sell produce competitively.

We could send Mexico an economic package to develop their
agricultural programs. Then we could import the food grown
in Mexico so that Americans would have plenty to eat.

People want illegal immigration to stop, people complain about border states going broke with welfare and human services expenses, but no one wants to pay $10 for a head of lettuce.

It's all relative. If folks have the $10 for a head of lettuce,
folks will have lots of $$$ to pay for other stuff.

I've heard horror stories about non-citizens applying for public assistance, but most of the stories I've heard and seen are of people trying to keep their heads down, keep off the radar and make some money to send home.

Most immigrants get here legally, through ports of entry.
Most undocumented workers also get here legally, through ports
of entry. Many immigrants, including undocumented workers,
send remittances to their families, or loved ones.

While some undocumented workers try their best to stay off
the radar, others do not mind letting folks know who they are.
How many undocumeted workers apply for public assistance?
Only the dumbest of the dumb. Unless they are trying to get
a free bus ticket back home.

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Hello Ward,

I agree, which makes me wonder what point your list of coutries
without border protection was making in the first place. I sure

missed it!

This kind of reasoning over the years became the hallmark of Roy Witt and

it

was called "Pulling a Witt". But Roy was the undisputed master.

I miss him. Don't you? Sure wish he was here.
Just think of all the fun he could have with The Orange One.

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I would love it when people would start using "undocumented" instead of >"illegal". The latter pushes them immediately into the criminal bracket while >they're just looking for a better life ...

In the US if they are here "undocumented" then they are breaking the law,
with is "illegal" and does make them a criminal. Not of the same degree
as, say a terrorist, but they are still a criminal.

Mike

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I find it amusing that thousands of penniless, marginally literate
Central American peasants suddenly decided to up and move to the US. And they aren't walking, as some have claimed, that last crowd arrived at the
US border in forty or so buses, I wonder who paid for that.

They are being coached. US citizens travel to those countries and
encourage their behavior. I am related to one who does so.

Mike

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Our border situation is a mess. We need more workers in California than we let in legally, and everyone turns a blind eye to the thousands of farm workers who work for lower wages than Americans would work for, and allow
Big Ag to sell produce competitively.

I just wish that whoever is employing them would teach them that "Romaine Lettuce Patch" does not translate to "free toilet paper."

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It's even worse .... your (beautiful American) National Parks can only thrive >because of the piles of foreign "students" with special "educational visas" to >work inside park boundaries ... most of them cleaning toilets in park >hotels/motels, works as room-maids, delivery-truck drivers, selling ice-cream, >doing dishes, picking up garbage, you name it ... for the simple reason that >American youngsters do not want to work for those wages anymore.

If the folks we are discussing were here legally like the ones you describe above, I would not have a problem with them. I do have a problem with
paying the Americans who won't take the jobs not to work, though.

The area I live in there are some deadbeats but there are a lot of natives willing to do the work for whatever wage if they can get it. They are
proud enough not to want full-time hand-outs.

OTOH, there are a lot of young Americans out there that have been told that
a college education = a job. So, they go and find something "fun" to major
in that has no practical application. Then, when they get out and cannot
get a high-paying job in "basketweaving," they won't take one that is
"beneath them." So, they complain about how the government owes them
instead.

Back about 20 years ago I knew a kid near my age who pretty much did that, except he actually had a decent degree but wasn't really too motivated to
get out and get a job (living with the parents still helps, I guess). He
spent all his time complaining about Mexicans taking his job. I told him
that around here, they all worked shoveling manure on horse farms and not
in entry-level IT jobs. He thought that the Mexican taking the manure-shoveling job somehow freed up an American to take his.

He never put it together that, if it was a job he wasn't willing to take, neither were any other Americans qualified to work in the field he had got
a degree in.

Mike

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This kind of reasoning over the years became the hallmark of Roy
Witt and it
was called "Pulling a Witt". But Roy was the undisputed master.

I miss him. Don't you? Sure wish he was here.
Just think of all the fun he could have with The Orange One.

In a way, yes I do ... too many bland people left.

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In the US if they are here "undocumented" then they are breaking the law, with is "illegal" and does make them a criminal. Not of the same degree as, say a terrorist, but they are still a criminal.

That's more like it but still too strong.

In 1976 I had a speeding ticket on the interstate at Deer Lodge MT returning from Yellowstone to Missoula MT and i would like to repeat Nixon's words "I am not a crook". 8-)

\%/@rd

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I just wish that whoever is employing them would teach them that "Romaine Lettuce Patch" does not translate to "free toilet paper."

Into "Free Fertilizer" then perhaps ?? :-)

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On 02-17-19 11:36, Ward Dossche <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: natives <=-

Dale,

There is no border between Spain and Morocco.

I beg to differ.

Little known to many but there are 2 Spanish enclaves on the Maroccon coast.
You can google for "Melilla" and "Ceuta".

I never knew that. Thanks for the info.

Dale Shipp
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On 02-17-19 09:58, Mike Powell <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: natives <=-

There is no border between Spain and Morocco. The path from Morocco to
Spain is open water. The southern border of Spain is with England (Gibraltar). They have been known to put up a barrier at that border.

False. Look real careful at a map of Northern Africa.... Spain has
two inclaves (or is it exclaves?) on the Southern side of the Mediterranean shore... i.e. in Africa. That is where they have had
some issues with sub-saharran caravans.

As I said to Ward, thanks for the info. I did not know that.

Dale Shipp
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Dale,

You can google for "Melilla" and "Ceuta".

I never knew that. Thanks for the info.

These settlements pre-date the birth of Christ and was Roman in origin. The Romans called the Mediterranean "Mare Nostrum" ,,, "Our sea" and by controling the narrows between the southern tip of Europe and the northern tip of Africa they kept in check who went in and who went out.

Control and dominance was omni-prevalent.

Little known by many people is that the southern border of Italy is not Sicily but a small rock in the Mediterranean called "Lampedusa". That is the thing people in silly-small inflatable rafts try to reach because it is "Europe". Nobody really gave a shit about Lampedusa until people-traffickers discovered its usage and turned it to their advantage.

185 miles of open sea in a 25HP outboard engine with a raft holding 100 people ... no radio, no navigational fix, no whatever ... even if the engine works all
the way and weather is good, it's still a needle in a haystack.

There is no fence to scale but the open sea waters are way more dangerous. Tens
of thousands have perished. One thing you can say about the Mediterranean ... its fish are well fed.

What those poor refugees don't grasp however is that once they reach Melilla, Ceuta, Lampedusa, Mallorca, Menorca or whichever island they have not really landed in Europe. All of these place, because of their non-connection to the mainland, have special visa/customs rules because when you arrive from the sea,
it could be from anywhere, hence you need documentation. And you know what peope without proper documntation are ... even in Europe ...

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Up until the GWB administration Americans could travel to and from
the US and Mexico without a passport, and children could travel

GWB was good for something after all.

El Paso has always been a safe city. For both Americans and
Mexicans. No high crime or anything even approaching criminal
activity by Mexicans. No wall was necessary. And yet we are

But it's still an easy target for illegal crossers. All they have to do is
wade across the Rio Grande. Once they climb out of the river, they can
quickly move on to other cities (to terrorize.)

told that El Paso was, and is, a most dangerous place. What
more lies will we be told so that The Orange One can get his
own way?

But it's not just his own way; he won the election because there are millions of people like me who want the wall, coal energy, and a bunch of other great things.

Do you see Trump pontificating about needing a wall to protect
this country from Canadians? No money in that endeavor. Can't

Canada at least tries to protect their border too. They don't have 10,000 Guatemalans (and the like) walking in like they're Voltron.

Passports are a fairly new invention. Up until the early
part of the 20th century, people just went wherever they wanted
whenever they wanted, with nothing more than the clothes on
their backs being all they really needed.

This is what AoC wants; free-range humans. Then, when someone is wanted by
the cops in Mexico, all they gotta do is just flap their wings and fly over
to the USA - then Democrats will protect them in sanctuary cities. If they didn't murder 50 people here in the USA, then they didn't murder anybody at all.

Most Irish immigrants to the USA got here by crossing the
border between Canada and the USA. No papers needed, just
finding a place to cross. Usually open terrain.

Now the Irish migrate here legally. Some even become citizens. Back in the
old days, cars didn't have seatbelts. Now, they are required in almost all 50 states. We're learning ways to make stuff safer.

This will all pass soon enough. 22 months left until
the presidential election. And then another 2 months for
the current resident to pack his bags.

There's like 22 democrats who want to be president. Which one will make it in the primary? The most respectable, or the most extreme?

Also, Trump is doing an awesome job in the eyes of his supporters. Nothing
has been done to successfully tarnish his image for voters like me. The Trump voters are still alive and well - we're not letting him go anywhere!

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I would love it when people would start using "undocumented" instead of "illegal". The latter pushes them immediately into the criminal bracket while they're just looking for a better life ...

You would get along great with Barrack Obama! What about the guy with the 5 year old prostitutes? Or the lady with 1000 lbs of fentanyl? Looking for a better life?

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That's because it isn't. All those Latinos who think the US stole the entire western US from Mexico and should give it back ignore the fact

This is one of the many reasons why a white guy like me can't find work in Spanish colonies.

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left for border crossers? Unconscionable. I couldn't imagine the mindset of someone who could do that.

What about someone who shoots or injures border patrol agents because they
have no respect for law enforcement? What if bank robbers get hungry? Should
we leave some snacks in the vault?

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Hello Ward,

This kind of reasoning over the years became the hallmark of Roy
Witt and it
was called "Pulling a Witt". But Roy was the undisputed master.

I miss him. Don't you? Sure wish he was here.
Just think of all the fun he could have with The Orange One.

In a way, yes I do ... too many bland people left.

There was one character who I found to be better than Roy.
Used to reside in a religion echo on another network.
This dude was worse than Howard Cosell on a bad night.
He would get himself banned every few months and then
re-invited a few days later. He had a habit of getting
under people's skin. But not in a mean-spirited kind
of way. He was just being himself.

He did briefly enter a politics echo. He had the
same demeanor as in the religion echo, but it was a
far different crowd. His views were libertarian,
not really liberal or conservative. He did not stay
long there, as the folks in that echo were divided
amongst themselves - liberals talking with liberals,
and conservatives talking with conservatives. He
brought up a few talking points, and was castigated
by everybody.

--Lee

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On 02-18-19 08:57, Ward Dossche <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: natives <=-

There is no fence to scale but the open sea waters are way
more dangerous. Tens of thousands have perished. One thing
you can say about the Mediterranean ... its fish are well
fed.

I can add another personal observation about the Mediterranean. When I
lived in England in the early 1970s, we took a trip to the "Italian
Riviera". When we got there, we observed that the Med waters were
salty (no surprise) and muddy brown. We also observed that the water
that came out of the taps in the hotel looked and tasted exactly the
same. If you wanted fresh, clean water you needed to go to town center
at noon with a container which you could fill from the water truck that
came down from the mountains. Of course, the other alternative was to
buy the Italian wines.

During the same period of time, we made the mistake of booking a two
week vacation in a Gibraltar condo. Our plan was to rent a car and tour southern Spain. Then we discovered that to get from Gibraltar to Spain
one had to go via Morocco since the border was closed due to some spat
that Spain was having with England. Fortunately, we got out of the
reservation because of a medical event and trip insurance.

Dale Shipp
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Dale,

I can add another personal observation about the Mediterranean. When I lived in England in the early 1970s, we took a trip to the "Italian Riviera". When we got there, we observed that the Med waters were
salty (no surprise) and muddy brown. We also observed that the water
that came out of the taps in the hotel looked and tasted exactly the
same.

You will find that changed now, however I remember that once in the 80-ies while on a business trip into Valencia I went on a morning beach walk but quickly returned because the beach was full of human excrement and there were a
kind of big pooper-scooper trucks running over the beach cleaning the shit out
of it in the most litteral way. Then it was desinfected and they were ready for another day.

Because of the boost in Mediterranean holiday travel sewage treatment was just not enough ... they built the hotels, the roads, the airports but never factored-in all the rest that came with a big load of people. Whole vacation towns like Benidorm were built with no sewage treatment ... during the day it was collected in holding facilities and at night the sluices were opened and it
drained into the sea. The Mediterranean does not have a big tidal system but a
lot reached the beached anyway during the next high tide in the dark and then it needed to be cleaned before the tourists hit the beach in the morning. I agree, it was like putting the cart in front of the horse, but that is how it worked then ... no forward thinking.

Tap-water I consider a nono anyway anywhere ... too much diarhea, even if it looks pristine. Never drink from the tap when in unfamiliar surroundings.

During the same period of time, we made the mistake of booking a two
week vacation in a Gibraltar condo. Our plan was to rent a car and tour southern Spain. Then we discovered that to get from Gibraltar to Spain
one had to go via Morocco since the border was closed due to some spat
that Spain was having with England.

That has been a while now but may come back after Brexit because the EU was what stopped that nonsense.

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aaron thomas wrote to Kurt Weiske <=-

left for border crossers? Unconscionable. I couldn't imagine the mindset of someone who could do that.

What about someone who shoots or injures border patrol agents because
they have no respect for law enforcement?

That's a felony, and it would take a serious stretch to compare the two.

What if bank robbers get
hungry? Should we leave some snacks in the vault?

Are you claiming that undocument border crossers are getting locked in bank vaults?

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What if bank robbers get
hungry? Should we leave some snacks in the vault?

Are you claiming that undocument border crossers are getting locked in bank vaults?

There will be plenty of bologna sandwiches and water waiting for them in the detention facilities.

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Are you claiming that undocument border crossers are getting locked i bank vaults?

There will be plenty of bologna sandwiches and water waiting for them in the detention facilities.

Bologna sandwiches?
I also like Bologna sandwiches, but it has to be German Bologna,w/ spicy brown mustard and a slice of muenster cheese, if you please. Cut diagonally in half. To wash it all down a ice cold can of Coca~Cola.

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Ward Dossche wrote to Sean Dennis <=-

I would love it when people would start using "undocumented"

instead of

"illegal". The latter pushes them immediately into the criminal

bracket

while they're just looking for a better life ...

Undocumented border crossings are illegal, regardless of the intent.

Our border situation is a mess. We need more workers in California

than we

let in legally, and everyone turns a blind eye to the thousands of

farm

workers who work for lower wages than Americans would work for, and

allow

Big Ag to sell produce competitively.

People want illegal immigration to stop, people complain about border
states going broke with welfare and human services expenses, but no

one

wants to pay $10 for a head of lettuce.

I've heard horror stories about non-citizens applying for public
assistance, but most of the stories I've heard and seen are of people
trying to keep their heads down, keep off the radar and make some

money to

send home.

Not only do they get welfare, those non-citizens vote, too. Texas just
found some ninety thousand people on its voter rolls that aren't
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I would love it when people would start using "undocumented"

instead

of "illegal". The latter pushes them immediately into the

criminal

bracket while they're just looking for a better life ...

Undocumented border crossings are illegal, regardless of the

intent.

But there are different ways to deal with it. As it now stands these

people are

labeled as 'criminals' which 99.9999% are not.

Actually, Ward, 100% of them ARE criminals. The simple fact that they ILLEGALLY crossed the border makes them so. And a LOT of
these "undocumented immigrants" commit crimes here. Omaha is still
looking for a Honduran illegal who killed a lady while he was driving
drunk. There are hundreds if not thousands of similar situations.

This illegal immigration has been going on for at least thirty years,
and preceding administrations - particularly Obama's - refused to do
anything about it.
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Adolf Hitler was Catholic.

Are you sure about that?

Mike

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This kind of reasoning over the years became the hallmark of Roy Witt and it was called "Pulling a Witt". But Roy was the undisputed master.

I am probably about to ask a dumb question, but is Roy no longer with us,
as in no longer on FIDO, or no longer with us at all?

I have not seen that name in a while but do remember it.

Mike

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That's more like it but still too strong.

In 1976 I had a speeding ticket on the interstate at Deer Lodge MT returning >from Yellowstone to Missoula MT and i would like to repeat Nixon's words "I am >not a crook". 8-)

Yeah, I have had a few of those also. :) I felt like a criminal at the moment, but I don't feel like a life-long criminal now. Maybe because I
paid the fines. :)

Mike

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I just wish that whoever is employing them would teach them that "Romaine Lettuce Patch" does not translate to "free toilet paper."

Into "Free Fertilizer" then perhaps ?? :-)

That North Korean style fertilizer is not too good for the intestines.
Would rather not have it! LOL.

Mike

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As I said to Ward, thanks for the info. I did not know that.

You're welcome. I think his spelling was more correct that mine also. :)

Mike

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In the US if they are here "undocumented" then they are breaking

the law,

with is "illegal" and does make them a criminal. Not of the same

degree

as, say a terrorist, but they are still a criminal.

That's more like it but still too strong.

In 1976 I had a speeding ticket on the interstate at Deer Lodge MT

returning

from Yellowstone to Missoula MT and i would like to repeat Nixon's

words "I am

not a crook". 8-)

I thought Montana didn't have a speed limit - or it's something
like 'as fast as conditions allow.
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Up until the GWB administration Americans could travel to and

from

the US and Mexico without a passport, and children could travel

GWB was good for something after all.

Actually, people could travel to and from Mexico and Canada from this
country without a passport or visa. Ten or fifteen years ago that
policy changed and US citizens need a passport to leave the county. US citizens can still GO to Mexico and Canada without a passport, but they
can't get back into the US.
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In 1976 I had a speeding ticket on the interstate at Deer Lodge MT

returning

from Yellowstone to Missoula MT and i would like to repeat Nixon's

words "I am

not a crook". 8-)

I thought Montana didn't have a speed limit - or it's something
like 'as fast as conditions allow.

In 1976 the speed-limit on the interstate was was 55mph. I'm not shitting you ... with the vast distances of Montana you never got where you were getting if you didn't speed. Even today distances in MT are not determined in miles, but in "hours of driving" plus the number of pee-stops.

Interstate speed limit for cars now is 85 I think, trucks 70... you still need hours and hours to get anywhere.

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Bologna sandwiches?
I also like Bologna sandwiches, but it has to be German Bologna,w/ spicy

It's typical jail food. Lots of bologna; breakfast, lunch, and dinner. I
don't mind buying it for thousands of illegals to eat while they sit in a detention facility waiting to get depoerted.

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Hello Mike,

This kind of reasoning over the years became the hallmark of Roy Witt and
it
was called "Pulling a Witt". But Roy was the undisputed master.

I am probably about to ask a dumb question, but is Roy no longer with us, as in no longer on FIDO, or no longer with us at all?

I have not seen that name in a while but do remember it.

He'll be back.

--Lee

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Hello Mike,

Adolf Hitler was Catholic.

Are you sure about that?

He was baptized Catholic. His bastard father was Catholic,
who ensured he was raised Catholic. He was a choir boy in the
Catholic Church he attended. He always considered himself a
Catholic throughout his life. He was never excommunicated by
the pope. Is that convincing enough?

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Hello Bob,

Up until the GWB administration Americans could travel to and

from

the US and Mexico without a passport, and children could travel

GWB was good for something after all.

Actually, people could travel to and from Mexico and Canada from this country without a passport or visa. Ten or fifteen years ago that
policy changed and US citizens need a passport to leave the county.

In order for US citizens to travel to and from Mexico, or Canada,
having a passport is required.

US citizens can still GO to Mexico and Canada without a passport, but they can't get back into the US.

It is true that being in a Mexican jail does make it very difficult
to get back into the US ...

Canadians are a bit nicer, as air conditioning is provided.

--Lee

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Adolf Hitler was Catholic.

Are you sure about that?

He was baptized Catholic. His bastard father was Catholic,

OMG this means that Trump is a nazi!!

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What those poor refugees don't grasp however is that once they reach Melilla, >Ceuta, Lampedusa, Mallorca, Menorca or whichever island they have not really >landed in Europe. All of these place, because of their non-connection to the >mainland, have special visa/customs rules because when you arrive from the sea,
it could be from anywhere, hence you need documentation. And you know what >peope without proper documntation are ... even in Europe ...

I heard, or read, from some news source once that many of them
intentionally come with no documents because they believe that, without documents, the country they land in will not know where to send them back
to. It does not sound like that always works.

Mike

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During the same period of time, we made the mistake of booking a two
week vacation in a Gibraltar condo. Our plan was to rent a car and tour southern Spain. Then we discovered that to get from Gibraltar to Spain
one had to go via Morocco since the border was closed due to some spat
that Spain was having with England. Fortunately, we got out of the reservation because of a medical event and trip insurance.

I think the spat is usually over who really owns Gilbraltar. It really
says something that a "medical event" was more fortunate than having to
keep the reservation. :)

Mike

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Mike,

I heard, or read, from some news source once that many of them intentionally come with no documents because they believe that, without documents, the country they land in will not know where to send them back to. It does not sound like that always works.

The rule is that they need to apply for asylum in the country where they enter the EU. For example if they land in Italy and wiggle their way into France they
automatically forfeit asylum in France.

A great number of people are shipped back and the number of asylum seekers is dramatically going down.

Asylum is one thing, and contributing to the system which provides the asylum is a totally different other thing.

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UC citizens can still GO to Mexico and Canada without a passport, but they can't get back into the US.

This is correct, at least at the Canadian border.

Mike

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The rule is that they need to apply for asylum in the country where they enter >the EU. For example if they land in Italy and wiggle their way into France they
automatically forfeit asylum in France.

We tried applying that logic here to folks who entered Mexico illegally and then continued Northward after Mexico offered them asylum. IMHO, that
should have negated any chance of them getting asylum here but, so far, I
don't think it has been decided.

Mike

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He was baptized Catholic. His bastard father was Catholic,
who ensured he was raised Catholic. He was a choir boy in the
Catholic Church he attended. He always considered himself a
Catholic throughout his life. He was never excommunicated by
the pope. Is that convincing enough?

His Mother was Jewish, though, right?

Mike

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Gregory Deyss wrote to aaron thomas <=-

I also like Bologna sandwiches, but it has to be German Bologna,w/
spicy brown mustard and a slice of muenster cheese, if you please. Cut diagonally in half. To wash it all down a ice cold can of Coca~Cola.

I like my boloney fried, Southern style.

Though I prefer SPAM sandwiches. Yum. That's from my time in the Army.

I'm not a fan of Coke. Prefer Pepsi products though Dr. Pepper (which
is not a Pepsi product) is my favorite.

Later,
Sean

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Not only do they get welfare, those non-citizens vote, too. Texas just found some ninety thousand people on its voter rolls that aren't
citizens

As I've said before: death doesn't scare me, the thought of my voting Democratic does. ;)

(Just a little humor there, people.)

Later,
Sean

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This illegal immigration has been going on for at least thirty years,
and preceding administrations - particularly Obama's - refused to do anything about it.

The Democrats wanted the illegals for votes and the Republicans wanted
the illegals for cheap labor. Both sides are to blame equally in this
but now it's the entire country who is paying for this, literally and figuratively.

Later,
Sean

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Mike Powell wrote to WARD DOSSCHE <=-

I have not seen that name in a while but do remember it.

Roy passed away quite some time ago. He'd asked me to take over HAM for
him before he passed.

Later,
Sean

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I thought Montana didn't have a speed limit - or it's something
like 'as fast as conditions allow.

They used to but too many people in poorly-maintained cars driving too
fast caused the state to recind that decision IIRC.

Later,
Sean

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Actually, people could travel to and from Mexico and Canada from this country without a passport or visa. Ten or fifteen years ago that
policy changed and US citizens need a passport to leave the county. US citizens can still GO to Mexico and Canada without a passport, but they can't get back into the US.

No, you have to have a passport to go to Canada if you are traveling by
air or sea. If driving, you can get a NEXUS card (looks like a driver's license; meant for those who go over the border often) or use a
passport, but you are required to have one or the other. You cannot go
into Canada without one.

From:
https://tinyurl.com/y8epch74

"Entry into Canada: Canadian law requires that all persons entering
Canada carry both proof of citizenship and proof of identity. A valid
U.S. passport, passport card, or NEXUS card satisfies these requirements
for U.S. citizens."

My previous employer, who is based out of Quebec City, Quebec, paid for
a passport for me and I had to study up on US and Canadian laws
regarding border crossings. Unfortunately, I never did get to go to
Quebec during my employment there but I am considering visiting Nick
Andre up in Toronto in the early fall later this year. Toronto's about
a 13 hour drive from here which isn't bad.

Later,
Sean

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We tried applying that logic here to folks who entered Mexico illegally
and
then continued Northward after Mexico offered them asylum. IMHO, that should have negated any chance of them getting asylum here but, so far, I don't think it has been decided.

That is exactly what is being tried here ... with just a moderate success-rate.

Also the North-American immigration situation is totally different.

People in Europe need to realize at certain locations here there is a wall too.
Countries like Hungaria, Romania, Bulgaria physically sealing-off their eastern border (which is the outside border of the EU).

Another problem is that certain countries are bothered more by the asylum-seekers than others. Greece, Italy and Spain for example. The deal is that it is considered a common problem and will be dealt with that way meaning that the ones who aren't bothered share in the burder and the cost anyway.

Overland migration from Turkey to Greece seems now well contained and Italy has
also said it is done with the numbers it already took. Spain is getting there as well but they're still bothered by the narrows near Gibraltar which can be negotiated on a good day.

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Also the North-American immigration situation is totally different.

How so? Isn't everyone supposedly trying to get away from some repressive regime or crisis and to make their lives better? That is what we are told here.

Mike

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The Democrats wanted the illegals for votes and the Republicans wanted
the illegals for cheap labor. Both sides are to blame equally in this
but now it's the entire country who is paying for this, literally and figuratively.

I think it was probably both that wanted the latter. I cannot imagine that
all of the Hollywood stars back in the 1980-90's that had illegal help were Republicans, for example.

Mike

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They used to but too many people in poorly-maintained cars driving too
fast caused the state to recind that decision IIRC.

There are also Federal highway dollars. Back during various times in our history, while the states set their speed limits, the Feds would tell them
that setting them too high would result in loss of funding.

IIRC, that is pretty much where the national standard of 55 MPH came from.

Mike

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No, you have to have a passport to go to Canada if you are traveling by
air or sea. If driving, you can get a NEXUS card (looks like a driver's license; meant for those who go over the border often) or use a
passport, but you are required to have one or the other. You cannot go
into Canada without one.

That has changed in the past 1.5 years then... or the info that Canada was posting on their official website 1.5 years ago was not up to date. :) I
had a passport, so I did not test it, LOL.

Mike

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Hello Aaron,

Adolf Hitler was Catholic.

Are you sure about that?

He was baptized Catholic. His bastard father was Catholic,

OMG this means that Trump is a nazi!!

I will not say it...I will not say it...I will not say it...

--Lee

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Hello Mike,

He was baptized Catholic. His bastard father was Catholic,
who ensured he was raised Catholic. He was a choir boy in the
Catholic Church he attended. He always considered himself a
Catholic throughout his life. He was never excommunicated by
the pope. Is that convincing enough?

His Mother was Jewish, though, right?

No. His grandmother was rumored to have been Jewish since
she had worked doing housework for a wealthy Jew. But she
had a child out of wedlock, and never named who the daddy
was. That led to speculation that one of the men who lived
at the house where she worked at was Jewish and had gotten
her pregnant. And since nobody knows who Hitler's grandfather
was, it cannot be proven that Hitler had Jewish blood.

Hitler's father changed his name so that nobody would
confuse him as being a Jew, which would have put an end
to him. Since he was not raised Jewish, his mother could
not have been a Jewess. Even if his father was Jewish.

I am getting all this from the Jewish archives. I cannot
make this stuff up, even if I tried.

It is also rumored that Hitler was part African. This
rumor is based on DNA analysis of some of Hitler's reputed
remains, which show a marker that was of African descent
(Russians allowed US scientists to examine them). However,
many people claim that this DNA research was flawed, as
whatever remains were examined may not have been Hitler's
at all. This was because Russians claimed to have the only
remains that existed of Adolf Hitler after he had allegedly
committed suicide by dousing himself with gasoline, shooting
himself in the mouth, and then burning himself alive.

--Lee

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Hello Sean,

I also like Bologna sandwiches, but it has to be German Bologna,w/
spicy brown mustard and a slice of muenster cheese, if you please. Cut
diagonally in half. To wash it all down a ice cold can of Coca~Cola.

I like my boloney fried, Southern style.

Champagne & fried chicken is a much better combo, especially
in the South, where fried chicken was invented.

Raw oysters are my favorite. Best swallowed whole.
Fried oysters, on po-boy buns, are also good. Or any
way they are prepared. Oysters are one thing folks in
New Orleans can thank Croatians for.

Hot sauce & cauliflower make for great snacks. Eat like
popcorn while watching movies or television shows. Really
good for you. So much better than all that junk food
folks shove down their throats.

Though I prefer SPAM sandwiches. Yum. That's from my time in the Army.

Texas A&M students prefer Oreo cookie and sardine sandwiches.
You know, oreo cookies stuffed with sardines.

For desserts, I like olive oil & ice cream. Best with vanilla,
but chocolate is also good.

I'm not a fan of Coke. Prefer Pepsi products though Dr. Pepper (which is not a Pepsi product) is my favorite.

Orange juice & Dr. Pepper go great together.
Bourbon & pickle juice if you want some kick.

--Lee

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Hello Sean,

Not only do they get welfare, those non-citizens vote, too. Texas just
found some ninety thousand people on its voter rolls that aren't
citizens

As I've said before: death doesn't scare me, the thought of my voting Democratic does. ;)

(Just a little humor there, people.)

Given the probable choice for president in 2020 being -

* A Russian agent who calls himself a Republican

* A Socialist wannabe who calls himself a Democrat

Would make everybody wish they could vote for Hillary Clinton,
who says she would *love* to be president.

--Lee

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Hello Sean,

This illegal immigration has been going on for at least thirty years,
and preceding administrations - particularly Obama's - refused to do
anything about it.

The Democrats wanted the illegals for votes and the Republicans wanted
the illegals for cheap labor. Both sides are to blame equally in this
but now it's the entire country who is paying for this, literally and figuratively.

JFK didn't care if they were dead or alive.
Thank goodness he had help from Mayor Daley
in Chicago to help him find them.

--Lee

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Hello Sean,

I thought Montana didn't have a speed limit - or it's something
like 'as fast as conditions allow.

They used to but too many people in poorly-maintained cars driving too fast caused the state to recind that decision IIRC.

Montanans need another "cash for clunkers" program.

However, Californians love the idea. Which is why a state
legislator introduced legislation to do away with speed limits
completely. Hope it passes. Best way to get rid of those
old cars without having to have government subsidize the cost
of buying a new one.

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Hello Mike,

The Democrats wanted the illegals for votes and the Republicans wanted
the illegals for cheap labor. Both sides are to blame equally in this
but now it's the entire country who is paying for this, literally and
figuratively.

I think it was probably both that wanted the latter. I cannot imagine

that

all of the Hollywood stars back in the 1980-90's that had illegal help

were

Republicans, for example.

Sonny Bono had Cher.
No.
Wait a minute.
She was the Native American.
Not Sonny.

--Lee

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Hello Mike,

They used to but too many people in poorly-maintained cars driving too
fast caused the state to recind that decision IIRC.

There are also Federal highway dollars. Back during various times in our history, while the states set their speed limits, the Feds would tell them that setting them too high would result in loss of funding.

IIRC, that is pretty much where the national standard of 55 MPH came from.

There is a 41-mile stretch on I-130 between Austin and San Antonio
that has a posted speed limit of 85 mph. A legislator in California
has introduced legislation to do away with speed limits entirely.

--Lee

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Also the North-American immigration situation is totally different.

How so? Isn't everyone supposedly trying to get away from some
repressive
regime or crisis and to make their lives better? That is what we are
told here.

I have rather the impression that the large majority of the people trying to get into the USA are economic refugees rather than political ones ...

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Hello Mike.

23 Feb 19 10:00, you wrote to me:

That has changed in the past 1.5 years then... or the info that Canada
was posting on their official website 1.5 years ago was not up to
date. :) I had a passport, so I did not test it, LOL.

Yeah, they recently got tougher on border crossings. Nothing I have to worry about of course. :)

Later,
Sean

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I think it was probably both that wanted the latter. I cannot imagine

that

all of the Hollywood stars back in the 1980-90's that had illegal help

were

Republicans, for example.

Sonny Bono had Cher.
No.
Wait a minute.
She was the Native American.
Not Sonny.

Sonny didn't have Cher by the time 1980 rolled around, did he? I thought
they had split before that, and that she'd already been involved with Greg Allman by then.

Mike

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I have rather the impression that the large majority of the people trying to >get into the USA are economic refugees rather than political ones ...

I think it is both... bad politics led to bad economies which led to
refugees.

Some of the bad politics was encouraged by a certain former US Secretary of State who used to take credit for it, until it caused the country in
question to colapse.

Mike

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Hello Lee.

23 Feb 19 22:15, you wrote to me:

JFK didn't care if they were dead or alive.
Thank goodness he had help from Mayor Daley
in Chicago to help him find them.

It's a fine tradition that continues on to this very day.

Later,
Sean

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Hello Lee.

23 Feb 19 22:16, you wrote to Mike Powell:

A legislator in California has introduced legislation to do away with speed limits entirely.

I doubt that will happen. Can you imagine how many small-town police departments would close down due to the lack of funding because they can't put up speed traps? I'm not being sardonic about this; a lot of these police departments are heavily dependent on speeding tickets.

Later,
Sean

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Hello, Lee!

Replying to a message of Lee Lofaso to Sean Dennis:

* A Russian agent who calls himself a Republican

You don't really believe that garbage do you? The US has been meddling in elections all over the world for quite a while. Turnabout is fair play and it'd not surprise me that the Russians, Chinese, Norks, who-have-you were all in on trying to sway the election. I mean, after all, Putin is saber-rattling with another Cuban missle crisis already. I don't think that the Russkies were
really in on any of this in any significant part. Now the Democrats^H^H^H^H^HSocialists^H^H^H^H^HCommunists here in the US? I think they
were heavy-handed in trying to toss the election Hillary's way.

* A Socialist wannabe who calls himself a Democrat

Isn't that most of them these days? I mean I can remember when a Democrat and a Republican (both capital letters here) could agree to disagree.

Would make everybody wish they could vote for Hillary Clinton,
who says she would *love* to be president.

I saw a meme this President's Day on Facebook that showed a picture of Hillary speaking at an outside podium and Bill leaning in. Someone had put a caption on Bill saying "Happy Presidents' Day, love." Hillary's caption? "Fuck off, Bill."

Later,
Sean

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I'm not a fan of Coke. Prefer Pepsi products though Dr. Pepper

(which

is not a Pepsi product) is my favorite.

I'm on Dr. Pepper, too. I usedtawas a Pepsi addict, but after I took a
2 liter bottle to a BYOB party and got only one drink out of it -
everybody else used it as a mixer - I switched to Dr. Pepper, it
doesn't mix with anything.
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They used to but too many people in poorly-maintained cars driving

too

fast caused the state to recind that decision IIRC.

There are also Federal highway dollars. Back during various times in

our

history, while the states set their speed limits, the Feds would tell

them

that setting them too high would result in loss of funding.

IIRC, that is pretty much where the national standard of 55 MPH came

from.

Many years ago in this very echo tbe discussion was about just that
threat of withholding federal highway dollars from states that wouldn't
kowtow to the federal bureaucracy. I said at the time that if I were Nebraska's governor (I was living in Nebraska at the time) and the feds
shut off the highway money, I wouldn't patrol, maintain or plow I-80 -
which would effectively cut off east-west motor vehicle traffic north
of Kansas City. Were that the situation now, I-80 would be under about
six feet of snow for a distance of about 300 miles
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Also the North-American immigration situation is totally

different.

How so? Isn't everyone supposedly trying to get away from some repressive
regime or crisis and to make their lives better? That is what we

are

told here.

I have rather the impression that the large majority of the people

trying to

get into the USA are economic refugees rather than political ones ...

Which means, of course, that they aren't eligible for POLITICAL asylum.

Apparently these caravans of "refugees" are being organized by leftist
US citizens who are going down to Central America and convincing people
they need to move here. Those US citizens are also apparently paying
for buses to move those people to the US border; the last group arrived
at the US border a couple of weeks ago in a convoy of about fifty
chartered buses - those penniless, destitute "refugees" didn't pay for
that
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Hello Lee.

23 Feb 19 22:16, you wrote to Mike Powell:

A legislator in California has introduced legislation to do away

with

speed limits entirely.

I doubt that will happen. Can you imagine how many small-town police departments would close down due to the lack of funding because they

can't put

up speed traps? I'm not being sardonic about this; a lot of these

police

departments are heavily dependent on speeding tickets.

That's analogous to cities and towns that levy a hefty room tax on
hotels and motels - it screws travelers and not locals
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Hello, Lee!

Replying to a message of Lee Lofaso to Sean Dennis:

* A Russian agent who calls himself a Republican

You don't really believe that garbage do you?

I'm sure he does. He also believes that Abraham Lincoln was a woman
named 'Babe,' and that Bill Clinton could be elected to a third term.

The US has been meddling in

elections all over the world for quite a while.

True (most notably Iraq). Other countries have been meddling in the US elections and government for decades. Roosevelt minor's administration
was riddled with Russian agents from Harry Hopkins (who had no official position but lived in the White House and was effectively the #2 man
running the country) on down; those agents weren't rooted out until a
very nasty congressional investigation in the late 1940s.

Turnabout is fair play and

it'd not surprise me that the Russians, Chinese, Norks, who-have-you

were all

in on trying to sway the election. I mean, after all, Putin is saber-

rattling

with another Cuban missle crisis already. I don't think that the

Russkies were

really in on any of this in any significant part. Now the Democrats^H^H^H^H^HSocialists^H^H^H^H^HCommunists here in the US? I

think they

were heavy-handed in trying to toss the election Hillary's way.

Calla them what they are: Corruptocrats. Their opposition is the Republicrooks.

* A Socialist wannabe who calls himself a Democrat

Isn't that most of them these days? I mean I can remember when a

Democrat and

a Republican (both capital letters here) could agree to disagree.

Would make everybody wish they could vote for Hillary Clinton,
who says she would *love* to be president.

I saw a meme this President's Day on Facebook that showed a picture

of Hillary

speaking at an outside podium and Bill leaning in. Someone had put a

caption

on Bill saying "Happy Presidents' Day, love." Hillary's

caption? "Fuck off,

Bill."

I started dialysis treatments twice a week in January. Four hours of
sitting in a recliner hooked up to an artificial kidney. The worst
part of it is having to watch daytime television - I turned my TV off
35 years ago and there STILL isn't anything worth watching, but I'm a
captive audience.

Anyhow, I had the dubious pleasure of watching the Corruptocrat
wannabees promising everything to everybody if only people will vote
for them. Somebody needs to explain to Bernie that a legitimate right
does not place a debt, duty or obligation on anyone else. Basically
the Corruptocrats' platform boils down to they'll take the money from
the people who earned it ang give it to those who didn't - they've
raised that sort of thing to an art form
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Apparently these caravans of "refugees" are being organized by leftist
US citizens who are going down to Central America and convincing people they need to move here. Those US citizens are also apparently paying
for buses to move those people to the US border; the last group arrived
at the US border a couple of weeks ago in a convoy of about fifty
chartered buses - those penniless, destitute "refugees" didn't pay for
that

I was thinking about the logistics of it all and the speed by which they were moving ... people need to be fed, they need to sleep, poop, pee, drink, health care ... It didn't happen just out of the blue, which I guess is what you are saying.

On the other hand, and this is kicking-in an open door, the USA (and Canada) is
a nation mostly founded on immigration ...

I always wonder how bad it must be for people to leave their home turf well knowing they will never return... Today New York is just 8 hours away across the Atlantic, but that has been different. It was like a mountain range you only crossed once.

An uncle of mine emigrated by freighter vessel in 1959, with his wife and son. In 1972 on passing-through I visited him in Detroit, in 1974 my dad saw him there too. My uncle never ventured back for a visit to his family, sisters, parents.

I vividly remember our deceased colleague-sysop Joe Delahaye who emigrated with
his familiy to Canada and came back with his aging mother a couple of times to
visit her family. Once he told me "This is going to be her last time but she doesn't know it" ... I'm a family person and things like that just tear me up ...

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BOB ACKLEY wrote to MIKE POWELL <=-

Many years ago in this very echo tbe discussion was about just that
threat of withholding federal highway dollars from states that wouldn't kowtow to the federal bureaucracy. I said at the time that if I were Nebraska's governor (I was living in Nebraska at the time) and the feds shut off the highway money, I wouldn't patrol, maintain or plow I-80 - which would effectively cut off east-west motor vehicle traffic north
of Kansas City. Were that the situation now, I-80 would be under about six feet of snow for a distance of about 300 miles

Yeah, the last time they made that threat to Kentucky, I was not happy with
it, either. However, Kentucky is usually a concubine state of DC so they
are not likely to throw up much of a fuss. If they did not get the federal dollars, they'd have been in deep do-do for a while now.

I think your idea is a good one. KY has a couple of major Interstates
running north-south (I75 & I-65), and will soon be a full-part of the I-69 corridor. They could make some havok not maintaining or worrying-with
those highways (especially 75) but, as I said, they would never do anything like that.

Mike


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Yeah, the last time they made that threat to Kentucky, I was not happy
with
it, either. However, Kentucky is usually a concubine state of DC so they are not likely to throw up much of a fuss. If they did not get the
federal dollars, they'd have been in deep do-do for a while now.

Kentucky knows how to make a good buck.

They stretched the runway of Lexington Bluegrass Airport so that Arabs could fly-in with wide-body airplanes to come check on their horses. It's got full customs and immigration facilities just for that purpose.

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Hello Ward,

Yeah, the last time they made that threat to Kentucky, I was not MP>happy

with it, either. However, Kentucky is usually a concubine MP>state of DC so they are not likely to throw up much of a fuss. MP>If they did not get the federal dollars, they'd have been in deep MP>do-do for a while now.

Kentucky knows how to make a good buck.

After bleeding their grass blue, they need something to replenish
it with. So why not greenbacks?

They stretched the runway of Lexington Bluegrass Airport so that Arabs

could

fly-in with wide-body airplanes to come check on their horses. It's got full customs and immigration facilities just for that purpose.

And camels. Don't forget the camels. Arabs are really big
on camel racing. Now if only Kentuckians can figure out how
to build a track for camels, rather than horses ...

Mint juleps at the Kentucky Derby.
What would Arabs drink at the Camel Derby?

Oh, yeah. Julab is Arabic for julep. Gotta keep the ladies
happy with that sweetwater stuff. And the hats. Let's not forget
about the hats. Also invented by Arabs ...

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it, either. However, Kentucky is usually a concubine state of DC so they >MP> are not likely to throw up much of a fuss. If they did not get the
federal dollars, they'd have been in deep do-do for a while now.

Kentucky knows how to make a good buck.

Yes, but they also know how to spend two bucks for every one they make. :)

They stretched the runway of Lexington Bluegrass Airport so that Arabs could fly-in with wide-body airplanes to come check on their horses. It's got full customs and immigration facilities just for that purpose.

This is true, I believe. That said, they also had a plane crash there
about 10 years ago when a commercial flight accidentally took off on the
short runway. Only one person survived. I believe they may have
lengthened the short runway after that... but I do believe the correct runway was lengthened for the reason you state.

Mike

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This is true, I believe. That said, they also had a plane crash there about 10 years ago when a commercial flight accidentally took off on the short runway. Only one person survived. I believe they may have lengthened the short runway after that... but I do believe the correct runway was lengthened for the reason you state.

I have used that airport many times to visit a friend of mine who is professor of Microbiology at UKY.

That crash was a noteworthy one, Some taxiway had been closed and the cockpit crew completely went wrong, looking at the lay-out it is absolutely a mistery how the ended up at the wrong runway. Nice facility though.

I tried to get into some basketball games of the university, but it seems they sell-out ahead of season.

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Hello Bob,

I'm not a fan of Coke. Prefer Pepsi products though Dr. Pepper

(which

is not a Pepsi product) is my favorite.

I'm on Dr. Pepper, too. I usedtawas a Pepsi addict, but after I took a
2 liter bottle to a BYOB party and got only one drink out of it - everybody else used it as a mixer - I switched to Dr. Pepper, it
doesn't mix with anything.

That is not entirely true.

Hot Dr Pepper is the best thing in the whole wide world.
Just leave it out in the sun until there are no more bubbles,
add a slice of lemon, and drink up!

If it is too cold outside, put the Dr Pepper in a stovetop saucepan,
heat at 180 degrees until there are no more bubbles, pour it over a
thin slice of lemon, and drink up.

Of course, the lemon is optional.

Dr Pepper and Mountain Dew also go great together ...

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Hello Bob,

* A Russian agent who calls himself a Republican

You don't really believe that garbage do you?

I'm sure he does. He also believes that Abraham Lincoln was a woman
named 'Babe,' and that Bill Clinton could be elected to a third term.

The person known as Abraham Lincoln may have been a woman rather
than a man, according to some historians. What some people forget
is that Lincoln had a twin brother, who died in childbirth. But
women did not have the same rights and privileges as men. So why
not impersonate herself as a he rather than a she? And honor her
dead brother by taking his name?

Look at early pictures of Lincoln with a beard. It was clearly
a fake beard, with nothing real about it. It was only after she
met the actor, John Wilkes Booth, who showed her how to dress in
costume with make-up and beard, that she was able to look the
part. Also, keep in mind her voice was high-pitched and shrill,
that of a woman rather than a man.

Pictures of Lincoln always show her with no adam's apple. Which
should be expected, as Lincoln was a she, rather than a he. She
disliked anybody who referred to her as "Abe", clearly preferring
"Abraham" - for obvious reasons. Politics, being a blood sport,
is ripe with name-calling, her political opponents/enemies mocking
her by calling her "Babe".

She was a gifted athlete. Tall for a woman, and stronger than
most. Probably would have bested Jesse Ventura in the ring.
That is how good a wrestler she was. Only lost one bout.

John Wilkes Booth was an actor who had given at least two
private performances for President Lincoln. He also taught
her how to dress, and use make-up and fake beards properly.
I am sure he was well-paid for his services, and had no
reason to off his main source of income. Especially if the
two of them were lovers, as some historians claim.

Trust me. I know. I read it in Weekly World News. So it
has to be true. Unnerstan'?

Now, as far as Bill Clinton, I never claimed he could be
elected to a third term. Although he could have, had he chosen
to do so. He probably would have won, too. My original claim
was that he could be elected to a new first term. You see,
a third term would mean consecutive term. A new first term
would mean it could be followed by a second term.

Barack Obama cleared it all up late in his second term, by
telling the news media he could run for a third term, and win.
Furthermore saying that the courts would agree with his view,
so as not to go against the will of the people. Had he run
for a third consecutive term, there is no doubt he would
have won. Hillary Clinton would have been nothing but a foot
note in history, and Donald Trump something even less.

If Democrats find themselves in a pickle, with no credible
candidate to nominate for the next presidential election, they
really should consider nominating Barack Obama for a new first
term. I am sure he would be more than happy to save them, and
the world, from any further damage The Orange One might cause.

The US has been meddling in

elections all over the world for quite a while.

True (most notably Iraq).

When Clinton lied, nobody died. When Bush lied, thousands died.

Other countries have been meddling in the US elections and government for decades.

Barack Obama was right for imposing sanctions on Russia for having
meddled in our elections.

Roosevelt minor's administration
was riddled with Russian agents from Harry Hopkins (who had no official position but lived in the White House and was effectively the #2 man running the country) on down; those agents weren't rooted out until a
very nasty congressional investigation in the late 1940s.

Joe McCarthy is no longer a US Senator.

Turnabout is fair play and

it'd not surprise me that the Russians, Chinese, Norks, who-have-you

were all

in on trying to sway the election. I mean, after all, Putin is saber-

rattling

with another Cuban missle crisis already. I don't think that the

Russkies were

really in on any of this in any significant part. Now the
Democrats^H^H^H^H^HSocialists^H^H^H^H^HCommunists here in the US? I

think they

were heavy-handed in trying to toss the election Hillary's way.

Calla them what they are: Corruptocrats. Their opposition is the Republicrooks.

* A Socialist wannabe who calls himself a Democrat

Isn't that most of them these days? I mean I can remember when a

Democrat and

a Republican (both capital letters here) could agree to disagree.

Would make everybody wish they could vote for Hillary Clinton,
who says she would *love* to be president.

I saw a meme this President's Day on Facebook that showed a picture

of Hillary

speaking at an outside podium and Bill leaning in. Someone had put a

caption

on Bill saying "Happy Presidents' Day, love." Hillary's

caption? "Fuck off,

Bill."

I started dialysis treatments twice a week in January. Four hours of sitting in a recliner hooked up to an artificial kidney. The worst
part of it is having to watch daytime television - I turned my TV off
35 years ago and there STILL isn't anything worth watching, but I'm a captive audience.

Sounds like fun.

Anyhow, I had the dubious pleasure of watching the Corruptocrat
wannabees promising everything to everybody if only people will vote
for them. Somebody needs to explain to Bernie that a legitimate right does not place a debt, duty or obligation on anyone else. Basically
the Corruptocrats' platform boils down to they'll take the money from
the people who earned it ang give it to those who didn't - they've
raised that sort of thing to an art form

Huey P. Long had envisioned enacting a "share the wealth" program,
but got short-circuited by a doctor who shot him in the dick when he
found his daughter leaving an office at the Louisiana State Capital
that Huey was in. The bullet holes are still in the wall.

The doctor was then shot dead by Louisiana state police.
FBI Director Herbert Hoover decided not to prosecute anybody,
since the murder was a state crime, and not federal.

Given the number of holes in the doctor (from rounds fired by
Long's bodyguards) it could not be determined which bullets hit
Long. The evidence the state had (the doctor's loaded gun, with
one bullet in the chamber) was of no use, as some nitwit decided
to test the gun to see if it worked, leaving no evidence.

Which is why the doctor was recently exonerated.

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Apparently these caravans of "refugees" are being organized by

leftist

US citizens who are going down to Central America and convincing

people

they need to move here. Those US citizens are also apparently

paying

for buses to move those people to the US border; the last group

arrived

at the US border a couple of weeks ago in a convoy of about fifty chartered buses - those penniless, destitute "refugees" didn't

pay for

that

I was thinking about the logistics of it all and the speed by which

they were

moving ... people need to be fed, they need to sleep, poop, pee,

drink, health

care ... It didn't happen just out of the blue, which I guess is what

you are

saying.

A while back some people in this country were claiming that those
people were *walking* from Central America to the US border.

On the other hand, and this is kicking-in an open door, the USA (and

Canada) is

a nation mostly founded on immigration ...

I always wonder how bad it must be for people to leave their home

turf well

knowing they will never return... Today New York is just 8 hours away

across

the Atlantic, but that has been different. It was like a mountain

range you

only crossed once.

An uncle of mine emigrated by freighter vessel in 1959, with his wife

and son.

In 1972 on passing-through I visited him in Detroit, in 1974 my dad

saw him

there too. My uncle never ventured back for a visit to his family,

sisters,

parents.

My great-grandmother was supposed to sail from Britain to the US in
1912. Aboard RMS Titanic. She got on board, then turned around and
marched back down the gangplank, saying "This ship isn't going to make
it." It didn't, and she sailed on another ship later on
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They stretched the runway of Lexington Bluegrass Airport so that

Arabs could

fly-in with wide-body airplanes to come check on their horses. It's

got full

customs and immigration facilities just for that purpose.

This is true, I believe. That said, they also had a plane crash there
about 10 years ago when a commercial flight accidentally took off on

the

short runway.

They've had several crashes at or near Offutt AFB - although none
lately. When I got here in 1972 there was nothing but empty farmland
for several miles off each end of the Offutt runway. In about 1973 an
RC-135 lost power on takeoff headed west and bellied into the Papio
Creek basin west of the west end of the runway. Also in the 1970s a
couple of National Guard B-57s needed to refuel, but the powers that
were ordered them to get government gas (at Offutt) rather than pay for civilian gas where they were (Des Moines). On the way to Offutt -
which was socked in - one of the B-57s lost his radios. They tried to
let down slowly in close formation until they got under the cloud
cover - unfortunately they had a mid-air collision in the cloud and
both aircraft pranged in in the aforementioned creek basin (all 4
crewmen survived).

Now that creek basin is solid wall-to-wall housing up to within about
1/2 mile of the end of the runway. Another 'oopsie' is going to do a
lot of very expen$ive damage.
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Now that creek basin is solid wall-to-wall housing up to within about
1/2 mile of the end of the runway. Another 'oopsie' is going to do a
lot of very expen$ive damage.

Yeah, real e$tate developer$ $ee dollar$ and don't really care what happen$ once they have $old all of the lot$.

Of course, being right off the end of a runway would be something the
person who bought a home there should have also thought about.

Mike

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On 03-04-19 19:36, Mike Powell <=-
spoke to Bob Ackley about natives <=-

Now that creek basin is solid wall-to-wall housing up to within about
1/2 mile of the end of the runway. Another 'oopsie' is going to do a
lot of very expen$ive damage.

Yeah, real e$tate developer$ $ee dollar$ and don't really care what happen$ once they have $old all of the lot$.

Of course, being right off the end of a runway would be something the person who bought a home there should have also thought about.

A. they didn't and
B. they will now start complaining about the airplane noise.

Dale Shipp
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On 03-05-19 07:06, Kurt Weiske <=-
spoke to Mike Powell about Re: natives <=-

One corner of the building faced the runways, my first red flag was
when the company directors who had their pilots' licenses refused to
sit on that side of the building... :(

I later found out that the building was built in the former "Oh,
crikey, my engine's gone out on takeoff!" designated ditch space.

And I once worked in a building that was 600 feet off of a main flight
path at BWI airport.

Dale Shipp
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Now that creek basin is solid wall-to-wall housing up to within

about

1/2 mile of the end of the runway. Another 'oopsie' is going to do

a

lot of very expen$ive damage.

Yeah, real e$tate developer$ $ee dollar$ and don't really care what

happen$

once they have $old all of the lot$.

Of course, being right off the end of a runway would be something the
person who bought a home there should have also thought about.

IIRC a zillion years ago developers built houses right up to the
airport fence all the way around LAX. People bought those houses and
in a very short time were complaining about the noise (DUH!). People
vote, airports don't, so the local politicians (read: taxpayers) bought
those houses from the complainers and, presumably, tore them down
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On 03-04-19 19:36, Mike Powell <=-
spoke to Bob Ackley about natives <=-

Now that creek basin is solid wall-to-wall housing up to within

about

1/2 mile of the end of the runway. Another 'oopsie' is going to

do a

lot of very expen$ive damage.

Yeah, real e$tate developer$ $ee dollar$ and don't really care

what

happen$ once they have $old all of the lot$.

Of course, being right off the end of a runway would be

something the

person who bought a home there should have also thought about.

A. they didn't and
B. they will now start complaining about the airplane noise.

Maybe. Offutt has a strange setup, the west end of the runway is about
100 feet higher than the surrounding terrain (which makes landing short
very inadvisable) and departing aircraft are about 1000 feet high by
the time they're over the populated area. The east end of the runway
is farmland for several miles
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On 03-05-19 07:06, Kurt Weiske <=-
spoke to Mike Powell about Re: natives <=-

One corner of the building faced the runways, my first red flag

was

when the company directors who had their pilots' licenses

refused to

sit on that side of the building... :(

I later found out that the building was built in the former "Oh,
crikey, my engine's gone out on takeoff!" designated ditch space.

And I once worked in a building that was 600 feet off of a main flight
path at BWI airport.

Friendship Annes? Up until 1974 I worked for those people, blue suit
and all
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Mike Powell wrote to BOB ACKLEY <=-

Of course, being right off the end of a runway would be something the person who bought a home there should have also thought about.

Back in the '90s, I was involved in the cabling project on a building my company built adjacent to a small airport. I spent a lot of time with a
hard hat talking to the contractors, the cabling guys, the architects, and
the head of operations for my company.

One corner of the building faced the runways, my first red flag was when
the company directors who had their pilots' licenses refused to sit on that side of the building... :(

I later found out that the building was built in the former "Oh, crikey, my engine's gone out on takeoff!" designated ditch space.







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Hello Mike,

Now that creek basin is solid wall-to-wall housing up to within about
1/2 mile of the end of the runway. Another 'oopsie' is going to do a
lot of very expen$ive damage.

Yeah, real e$tate developer$ $ee dollar$ and don't really care what

happen$

once they have $old all of the lot$.

Of course, being right off the end of a runway would be something the person who bought a home there should have also thought about.

Years ago a passenger airplane took off at Moisant Field in
New Orleans, crashing in a neighborhood in Kenner, right across
the highway from the airport. There were no survivors. The
planes would take off in a direct path towards Kenner, and on
this particular morning it was terribly bad weather. Well,
we all know what happens in a very bad thunderstorm ...

My next door neighbor's daughter was on that flight. She
and her husband were looking forward to spending quality time
in Las Vegas. Talk about a short trip.

My neighbor was never the same after that. Lost his will
to live. Came as a shock to nobody when he passed away later
that same year.

The powers that be decided to shut down that runway after
that airplane crash. Since then, all airplanes take off in
the other direction.

Moisant Field (LAX) is shutting down in a few weeks, as a
new airport has been built and is ready to open. Hopefully,
the powers that be remember the crash that happened in Kenner
and have aligned the runways so that airplanes take off over
Lake Pontchartrain rather than flying into neighboroods.

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Hello Mike,

I think it was probably both that wanted the latter. I cannot

imagine
that

all of the Hollywood stars back in the 1980-90's that had illegal

help
were

Republicans, for example.

Sonny Bono had Cher.
No.
Wait a minute.
She was the Native American.
Not Sonny.

Sonny didn't have Cher by the time 1980 rolled around, did he?

Yes, he did. He was the brains, she was the talent. They did
the night club circuit for years, long before their tv days.

I thought they had split before that,

Part of their act was being split or threatening to split.
But they were very much together, at least in their early years.
Before fame and fortune got to Cher. But then, she always liked
guys. Which can't be a bad thing.

and that she'd already been involved with Greg Allman by then.

She always loved Sonny, even long after the two of them
officially split. Whatever issues she may have had with
him, given her public statements she never hated him a
day in her life. Seems she was always more of a free spirit
than someone with a controlling personality. Look at the
support she showed for her son (Chaz), who used to be a
she (Chastity). Not all parents can do that.

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Hello Sean,

JFK didn't care if they were dead or alive.
Thank goodness he had help from Mayor Daley
in Chicago to help him find them.

It's a fine tradition that continues on to this very day.

Just gotta know where to find 'em.
And then have someone go get 'em.

--Lee

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Hello Sean,

A legislator in California has introduced legislation to do away with
speed limits entirely.

I doubt that will happen. Can you imagine how many small-town police departments would close down due to the lack of funding because they can't put up speed traps? I'm not being sardonic about this; a lot of these police departments are heavily dependent on speeding tickets.

Most of the roads in South Louisiana run alongside bayous.
Imagine how many cars would have be raised out of the water
if there were no speed limits. And bodies. Don't forget
about the bodies.

In the Netherlands, people keep a small mallet inside their cars.
Just in case they run off the road and find their car immersed in
water. You know, break window if needed. Cajuns should do the
same in Louisiana.

--Lee

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Hello Sean,

* A Russian agent who calls himself a Republican

You don't really believe that garbage do you?

https://endtimesand2019.wordpress.com/2019/02/25/the-failed-coup-
of-fake-news/

I'll let the author of the cited page spell it out for you.
Read the entire article, as he really does spell it all out.
Then ask yourself if he is more correct that not.

Most folks are more intelligent than the news media give them
credit for. Given all the facts, most people are fair-minded and
figure out what is really going on.

The US has been meddling in elections all over the world for quite a

while.

Turnabout is fair play and it'd not surprise me that the Russians,

Chinese,

Norks, who-have-you were all in on trying to sway the election.

It is established fact Russians meddled in our elections. But it
is even more than that. It was an attack on democracy, not just
our elections. Russia has also been active doing the same in France,
Germany, and elsewhere.

AFAIK, the US has never acted in this way towards any country.
Although there are other things the US has done of which none of
us should be proud of.

I mean, after all, Putin is saber-rattling with another Cuban missle

crisis

already.

The former Soviet Union was a poor country. The leaders of that
poor state did lots of saber-rattling. Including one of those
leaders (Kruschev) who gave Fidel Castro some nukes to play with.
Fortunately, we had JFK who was able to convince the Soviets
to remove them.

Russia is a poor country. The leader of that poor state does
a lot of saber-rattling. And sometimes more. Such as invading
part of Georgia. And illegally annexing part of Ukraine.
Fortunately, we had Obama who was able to convince the Russkies
that sanctions are not fun.

I don't think that the Russkies were really in on any of this in any significant part.

Trump's campaign manager certainly was in leagues with them.

Now the Democrats^H^H^H^H^HSocialists^H^H^H^H^HCommunists here in the US?

I

think they were heavy-handed in trying to toss the election Hillary's way.

Hillary Clinton was an exceptionally weak candidate. Had a helluva
time winning the Democratic nomination, just barely surviving a hard
challenge from a self-described socialist running as a Democrat.

* A Socialist wannabe who calls himself a Democrat

Isn't that most of them these days?

Not at all. FDR was all over the ideological map. Nobody knew
where he was coming from, or where he was going, during his day.
It was up to a real socialist, Norman Thomas, who showed Americans
what every president should do or should be doing. In fact, he
wanted the gig himself ...

I mean I can remember when a Democrat and a Republican (both capital

letters

here) could agree to disagree.

Ronald Reagan and Tip O'Neil got on great together. But only
after 5 p.m., preferably at an Irish pub ...

Would make everybody wish they could vote for Hillary Clinton,
who says she would *love* to be president.

I saw a meme this President's Day on Facebook that showed a picture of Hillary speaking at an outside podium and Bill leaning in. Someone had

put

a caption on Bill saying "Happy Presidents' Day, love." Hillary's

caption?

"Fuck off, Bill."

After her days (or nights) with Bill Clinton, Gennifer Flowers
moved to New Orleans and did a show in the French Quarter. Unlike
that other woman (who Clinton claims he did not have sex with),
there was never denying what they did together.

The Clintons have talked a lot about their marriage, and how
proud they are for having stayed together all these years.
But when Bill Clinton was governor of Arkansas, the two of them
briefly separated. No reason(s) given. Then Bill Clinton
announced he was running for president and the two of them
were back together again.

What the Clintons do in their bedroom is up to them. Maybe
Hillary lets Bill do whatever he likes, with whoever he likes.
Maybe Bill lets Hillary do whatever she likes, with whoever
she likes. Maybe the both of them get together with others
and everybody does whatever they like, with whoever they like.

If a president is doing a good job, then why should anybody
care what he/she does in their own bedroom? Should that be an
issue? Why, or why not?

Suppose we had an openly gay president. There is one running
for the Democratic nomination. Just think how much fun it
would be watching him debate Donald Trump on national tv ...

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Of course, being right off the end of a runway would be something the person who bought a home there should have also thought about.

A. they didn't and
B. they will now start complaining about the airplane noise.

That is something that has bothered me about people who move into
neighborhoods next to auto racing tracks. Well, duh, it will be a little noisy! :)

Mike

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Mike Powell wrote to DALE SHIPP <=-

That is something that has bothered me about people who move into neighborhoods next to auto racing tracks. Well, duh, it will be a
little noisy! :)

In San Francisco back in the 90s, people started moving into Live-Work
lofts in the SOMA neighborhood. While they were intended for mixed-use,
lots of people moved into them intending to use them primarily as
residences.

WHat came next was predictable - people complaining about the noise near
their homes at night. The clubs didn't get much reprieve, and no one
criticized the people for moving into a commercially-zoned neighborhood and expecting a suburban environment.



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WHat came next was predictable - people complaining about the noise near their homes at night. The clubs didn't get much reprieve, and no one criticized the people for moving into a commercially-zoned neighborhood and expecting a suburban environment.

Sometimes I think municipalities allow this because they can then use those complaints to get rid of certain things. Like, maybe the clubs don't cater
to the "higher-dollar" customers that they want to draw to the city, so
they side with the residents.

I used to notice similar things on the Louisville news.

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Of course, being right off the end of a runway would be

something the

person who bought a home there should have also thought about.

A. they didn't and
B. they will now start complaining about the airplane noise.

That is something that has bothered me about people who move into neighborhoods next to auto racing tracks. Well, duh, it will be a

little

noisy! :)

Some people down in Shenandoah, IA, are complaining about the noise
made by BNSF freight trains. Shenandoah is at the end of a 20 mile
spur, and there's about one train a day (maybe) that mainly services
the city's ethanol plant. That spur was once a thru line that went to
BNSF's north/south main at Hamburg, IA, but that 20 mile stretch of
track was abandoned and pulled up decades ago. The Wabash also used to
run through Shenandoah on its way to Council Bluffs, but that whole
railroad shut down and was torn out decades ago. I don't hear the
people in Emerson complaining about the hoise - and that's about 3 coal
drags every hour, each way, plus the occasional local and long-distance freights
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On 02-20-19, BOB ACKLEY said to KURT WEISKE:

Not only do they get welfare, those non-citizens vote, too. Texas just BA>found some ninety thousand people on its voter rolls that aren't BA>citizens.

A couple of things.....


By either sneaking across our borders or forcing their way into our country by rushing our Border Patrol agents in a large group, these foreign `invaders' demonstrate their utter disdain for our laws in general, and respect for America period.


Many (if not all) put the lie to the democrat claim that `they only want to assimilate into America' when you see news video of huge crowds of foreigners massed at our border demanding entry as a `right'....while waving the flags of foreign countries!


People who wish to be accepted as `citizens' of this nation, or `legal' residents here, do not present themselves in a very good light when they begin their application for entry by forcing their way through the door, and then demanding benefits and services as their `right'!


BTW.....notice how, when the tear gas and pepper spray is used to attempt to repel them, they somehow alway manage to place women and very young children
at the forefront to absorb the brunt of such tactics. Such images always play well with the leftie main stream media who feed such tripe to the mindless lefty masses. The people behind these massive `caravans' that are beginning to become a regular thing on our southern border will probably turn out to be well-known names of those who regularly advocate `open border' policies.


BTW....ever wonder how vast numbers of people who are supposed to be so `poor, down-trodden and put-upon' in whatever third-world socialist failure of a country they hail from, can suddenly end up on buses and large trucks to make
a journey of a thousand miles or more?


If they're so `poor'....where did they suddenly come up with bus fare?


Who pays the owners of the trucks you see them hanging on to drive them north?


And who organizes them into a group to `rush' the border guards?

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On 02-20-19, MIKE POWELL said to WARD DOSSCHE:

This kind of reasoning over the years became the hallmark of Roy Witt and

it > was called "Pulling a Witt". But Roy was the undisputed master.

I am probably about to ask a dumb question, but is Roy no longer with us, MP>as in no longer on FIDO, or no longer with us at all?

I have not seen that name in a while but do remember it.

Roy Witt died some time ago.

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On 02-20-19, MIKE POWELL said to LEE LOFASO:

Adolf Hitler was Catholic.

Are you sure about that?

Hitler's mother was a Catholic who went to mass pretty regularly. He was confirmed a Catholic in Austria in the early 1900's. After he no longer lived at home he stopped attending mass.

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On 02-21-19, WARD DOSSCHE said to BOB ACKLEY:

In 1976 I had a speeding ticket on the interstate at Deer Lodge MT

returning

from Yellowstone to Missoula MT and i would like to repeat Nixon's

words "I am

not a crook". 8-)

I thought Montana didn't have a speed limit - or it's something
like 'as fast as conditions allow.

In 1976 the speed-limit on the interstate was was 55mph. I'm not shitting WD>you ... with the vast distances of Montana you never got where you were WD>getting if you didn't speed. Even today distances in MT are not determined WD>in miles, but in "hours of driving" plus the number of pee-stops.

Interstate speed limit for cars now is 85 I think, trucks 70... you still WD>need hours and hours to get anywhere.

True story:


Back in the late 1970's and 1980's I was working as a long haul trucker.


I had enter Montana and was on my way to pick up a loaded trailer in some forgotten place. Had an empty trailer at the time and was suppesed to drop the empty I had and hook onto a loaded one.


Was on some secondary road driving along and approaching a place where I had
to turn left. As I neared the turn I saw a sign that said "Scale Ahead"!


I got to the turn and as I went around the corner I saw a small structure the size of a single occupant outhouse and a pickup truck in a small dirt area on the right hand corner. But no `scale'.


After completing the turn I speeded back up to around 65 or so when suddenly the pickup I'd seen back where I'd turned was coming up behind me flashing
it's headlights and sounding a siren (of all things!). I pulled over and this old man in some sort of uniform shirt (wearing levis and wornout work boots) climbs out, walks up the side of the rig and tells me I'd passed the scale without stopping like I was supposed to.


When I told him I hadn't seen any `scale' he got indignant; `well it's right there! turn around and follow my back and I'll show you!' A nearby ranch road allowed room to swing around, so I swung back and followed him. Turns out that little `outhouse' sized shack was his `office' and he had a one-axle-only
scale set up a truck had to drive up on....wait for the scale to `settle'... the old man wrote the weight of that axle...singled you to move another axle onto the scale....


It took almost thirty minutes for the whole procedure.


Luckily I was the only truck....it was a Saturday...and no other trucks ahead of me!


To my relief...that was the one and only time I was on any secondary roads in Montana with a semi.

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On 02-27-19, LEE LOFASO said to SEAN DENNIS:

Hello Sean,

A legislator in California has introduced legislation to do away with
speed limits entirely.

I doubt that will happen. Can you imagine how many small-town police departments would close down due to the lack of funding because they

can't SD> put up speed traps? I'm not being sardonic about this; a lot of LL>these SD> police departments are heavily dependent on speeding tickets.

Most of the roads in South Louisiana run alongside bayous.
Imagine how many cars would have be raised out of the water
if there were no speed limits.

Thats what tow truck drivers are for!

And bodies. Don't forget about the bodies.

Thats what alligators are for!


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Some people down in Shenandoah, IA, are complaining about the noise
made by BNSF freight trains. Shenandoah is at the end of a 20 mile
spur, and there's about one train a day (maybe) that mainly services
the city's ethanol plant. That spur was once a thru line that went to

I like trains. There is a train track behind the street a block away from
my home. Sometimes, it wakes me up at night but I am, for the most part,
used to it. Having the trains makes the roads safer to travel (fewer
trucks) so I am all for them.

Mike

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On 03-11-19 08:36, Tim Richardson <=-
spoke to Bob Ackley about Re: natives <=-

By either sneaking across our borders or forcing their way into our country by rushing our Border Patrol agents in a large group, these foreign `invaders' demonstrate their utter disdain for our laws in general, and respect for America period.

And what do you have to say about those who walk across and immediately
seek out a border patrol agent to surrender to, asking for asylum?

Many (if not all) put the lie to the democrat claim that `they only
want to assimilate into America' when you see news video of huge crowds
of foreigners massed at our border demanding entry as a
`right'....while waving the flags of foreign countries!

Actually, they do have a right according to USA law to ask for asylum.

Dale Shipp
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On 02-20-19, MIKE POWELL said to WARD DOSSCHE:

This kind of reasoning over the years became the hallmark of Roy Witt and

it > was called "Pulling a Witt". But Roy was the undisputed master.

I am probably about to ask a dumb question, but is Roy no longer

with us,

as in no longer on FIDO, or no longer with us at all?

I have not seen that name in a while but do remember it.

Roy Witt died some time ago.

I think his system is still in the nodelist.
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On 03-11-19 08:36, Tim Richardson <=-
spoke to Bob Ackley about Re: natives <=-

By either sneaking across our borders or forcing their way into our country by rushing our Border Patrol agents in a large group, these foreign `invaders' demonstrate their utter disdain for our laws in general, and respect for America period.

And what do you have to say about those who walk across and immediately
seek out a border patrol agent to surrender to, asking for asylum?

IMO people who walk/sneak/whatever across the border at unauthorized
crossing points should be shot, and the body left to rot. Yes, even
little kids. The illegal border crossings would stop pretty quickly
after the word got out
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And what do you have to say about those who walk across and immediately
seek out a border patrol agent to surrender to, asking for asylum?

It depends. If they are from Mexico, I have no problem with that because
they do have the right to ask, just as it is the right of the USA to decide they are not eligible.

If they are not from Mexico, and entered Mexico illegally, I have some problem with it... even more so if Mexico offered them asylum and they did not take it.

Actually, they do have a right according to USA law to ask for asylum.

See above. Maybe it is fake news, but I seem to remember reading that once
you cross one country and you do not accept asylum there when offered, you are no longer legally considered an asylum seeker.

That makes perfect sense to me.

Mike

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On 03-13-19 16:54, Bob Ackley <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: natives <=-

And what do you have to say about those who walk across and immediately
seek out a border patrol agent to surrender to, asking for asylum?

IMO people who walk/sneak/whatever across the border at unauthorized crossing points should be shot, and the body left to rot. Yes, even little kids. The illegal border crossings would stop pretty quickly
after the word got out

SO, you would shoot people and children for something that is the legal equivalent of jay walking? And do so without affording them any of the
rights and procedures guaranteed to them under USA law?

Dale Shipp
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On 03-13-19 16:54, Bob Ackley <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: natives <=-

And what do you have to say about those who walk across and

immediately

seek out a border patrol agent to surrender to, asking for asylum?

IMO people who walk/sneak/whatever across the border at

unauthorized

crossing points should be shot, and the body left to rot. Yes,

even

little kids. The illegal border crossings would stop pretty

quickly

after the word got out

SO, you would shoot people and children for something that is the

legal

equivalent of jay walking? And do so without affording them any of

the

rights and procedures guaranteed to them under USA law?

Yes and yes.

And in your opinion it's the equivalent of jaywalking, in my opinion
it's a felony deserving of capital punishment. As I noted, it wouldn't
have to be done often
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begin their application for entry by forcing their way through the door, and then demanding benefits and services as their `right'!

They are claiming to be refugees, but many were offered residency by Mexico & they turned it down. If someone had a knife in my back, I'd take refuge in
the first decent country to offer it. But the evil side of me would say "No Aaron, keep going north.. there's money in it for you!"

BTW.....notice how, when the tear gas and pepper spray is used to
attempt to repel them, they somehow alway manage to place women and very young children at the forefront to absorb the brunt of such tactics.

Women and children are murdered daily right here in the USA. I know this
isn't where you wanted to take the conversation, but the most brutal killings in the USA (in my opinion) occur near the Mexico border in states like New Mexico & Texas. New Mexico's laws are influenced by those of it's latino neighbors to the south. If you murder a child (a person under 18) in New Mexico, murder charges are out of the question. Instead, you'll get charged with "Child Abuse Resulting in Death," which carries like a mandatory 5 day jail sentence.

I used to work with a lady who murdered her husband, served her short
sentence, and then got hired by my employer.

Using women & children as shields? That's childs play.

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Hitler's mother was a Catholic who went to mass pretty regularly. He was confirmed a Catholic in Austria in the early 1900's. After he no longer lived at home he stopped attending mass.

But they don't preach genocide at mass. That's only taught in muslim religion.

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But they don't preach genocide at mass. That's only taught in muslim religion.

You need to study the history of the Catholic church more ...

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On 03-16-19 10:42, Bob Ackley <=-
spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: natives <=-

SO, you would shoot people and children for something that is the

legal

equivalent of jay walking? And do so without affording them any of

the

rights and procedures guaranteed to them under USA law?

Yes and yes.

And in your opinion it's the equivalent of jaywalking, in my opinion
it's a felony deserving of capital punishment. As I noted, it
wouldn't have to be done often

It is not my opinion -- it is the law. It is not a felony, but a
misdemeanor. Your opinion is totally wrong, and putting yourself up as
judge, jury and executioner is repugnant to anyone of decent morals.

Dale Shipp
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Hello Bob,

And what do you have to say about those who walk across and
immediately seek out a border patrol agent to surrender to, asking for
asylum?

The state of California has places along the border to do just that.

IMO people who walk/sneak/whatever across the border at
unauthorized crossing points should be shot, and the body BA>left to

rot. Yes, even little kids. The illegal border BA>crossings would stop
pretty quickly after the word got out

SO, you would shoot people and children for something that is the
legal equivalent of jay walking? And do so without affording them any of
the rights and procedures guaranteed to them under USA law?

Yes and yes.

And in your opinion it's the equivalent of jaywalking, in my opinion
it's a felony deserving of capital punishment. As I noted, it wouldn't have to be done often

How many people get shot crossing the border into Russia?
How many people get shot crossing the border into China?
How many people get shot crossing the border into North Korea?

Of those countries, only China has a wall. And that wall
is used as a tourist attraction. Works like a giant magnet,
getting people with lots of money to spend to come to China
rather than go someplace else.

Maybe that is what Trump wants to do. Compete with China
by making a Great Wall. Not the Great Wall of China, but the
Greater Wall of America.

Let's do the math.

The US/Mexico border is 1,954 miles long.
The Great Wall of China is 5,000 miles long.
By extending the Wall of America to Hawaii,
Trump can create the Greater Wall of America
much longer than the Great Wall of China.

There is also the US/Canada wall that comes to mind ...

--Lee

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Hello Aaron,

[..]

I used to work with a lady who murdered her husband, served her short sentence, and then got hired by my employer.

Years ago, a ladyfriend used to come over and make a delicious
lasagna for me. Of course, I was happy to share. Best lasagna
in the whole world. A bandmate then insulted her, thinking to
make a joke about her making lasagna.

She pretended not to hear him, as it was not a very nice thing
to say. Especially since her lasagna was the very best in the
whole wide world.

I put my arm around the neck of the bandmate, and asked him
if he really had intended to insult a lady who shot her husband,
in cold blood, in the back. His jaw dropped, with his eyes
bigger than the moon, his entire face turning white as a ghost.

Biggest laugh me and Liz ever had.

After she had offed her husband, she was charged with first
degree murder. Her godfather then hired a lawyer from NYC to
represent her. She was found innocent of all charges.

Lesson to be learned - never insult a lady who is packing.

--Lee

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Hello Aaron,

Hitler's mother was a Catholic who went to mass pretty regularly. TR>He

was confirmed a Catholic in Austria in the early 1900's. After TR>he no longer lived at home he stopped attending mass.

But they don't preach genocide at mass. That's only taught in muslim religion.

Hitler always considered himself as being cultural Catholic.
IOW, attending Mass has nothing to do with the fact he was born
and raised Catholic. He was never excommunicated by the RCC,
and he never officially left the RCC. Same as most Catholics
today who no longer attend Mass.

Eugenics was a philosophy created in the good ol' US of A.
And later adopted by Germany and other nations. Hitler and
his National Socialists loved it.

Before eugenics, the way to treat patients was "talk therapy".
With these new ideas, other means of treating patients became all
the rage. Such as lobotomies. And drug therapy. Not so much
talk therapy, as that was way too time-consuming. And also
not many success stories, even after all that talk.

We still use eugenics today. Although we no longer call it that.
Genetic engineering, gene-splicing, etc., is what gives us the
edge in treating patients. Or rather, preventing future patients
by curing diseases before they happen.

Yes, we can thank the Nazis for giving us prozac. And viagra.

--Lee

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Hello Dale,

SO, you would shoot people and children for something that is the

legal

equivalent of jay walking? And do so without affording them any of

the

rights and procedures guaranteed to them under USA law?

Yes and yes.

And in your opinion it's the equivalent of jaywalking, in my opinion
it's a felony deserving of capital punishment. As I noted, it
wouldn't have to be done often

It is not my opinion -- it is the law. It is not a felony, but a misdemeanor. Your opinion is totally wrong, and putting yourself up as judge, jury and executioner is repugnant to anyone of decent morals.

It used to be that black folks were only three-fifths of a person.
By law. Not even Abraham Lincoln was able to rid this country of
slavery. In fact, he was in favor of it.

People of his day did not consider black folks as being human.
Before he became president, Lincoln wanted to round up all the
black folks in the US and send them to Guatemala so they could
have their own country. This was mentioned in the Republican
convention of 1856.

The US Constitution had to be amended, after Lincoln's death,
in order to get rid of slavery. And even then, slavery still
exists in the form of prisoners being paid slave wages.

Black folks did not become real people until the US Constitution
was amended to give them that right.

How long will it take before Americans begin to realize that
folks from outside the USA are also real people?

--Lee

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Hello Ward,

But they don't preach genocide at mass. That's only taught in muslim
religion.

You need to study the history of the Catholic church more ...

The Catholic church never tortured or killed anybody
during the Inquisition. It may have been somebody else
who did it for them. But they did't do it ...

--Lee

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But they don't preach genocide at mass. That's only taught in muslim religion.

You need to study the history of the Catholic church more ...

I can study the history of anything and bend it into something it's not.

Despite any possible history of Catholics participating in genocide, it's not being taught at mass.

We're being taught to offer each other a sign of peace.

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I put my arm around the neck of the bandmate, and asked him
if he really had intended to insult a lady who shot her husband,

That's funny! The same sort of thing happened to me with this lady I worked with. Her name is Evelyn, and although I got along with her good, other
people couldn't stand her, and called her "Evil-Lynn."

One day, someone brought up the "Evil-Lynn" thing to her, and I was like "Oh yea, we were just joking," and she gave me an angry "I'm going to kill you!" look. :)

I made peace with her and tried to stay on her good side the best I could.

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and raised Catholic. He was never excommunicated by the RCC,

Do they do that to anyone? I don't think so - that would be counterproductive to one of our doctrines.

We still use eugenics today. Although we no longer call it that.

That's an interesting subject - but what made you think of it now?

Yes, we can thank the Nazis for giving us prozac. And viagra.

I can thank Ilhan Omar for Viagara? :)

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