I used to dislike Democrats for their position on open borders & defunding legal immigration. <- That was clue #1 that something was up.

Then Andrew Cuomo happened, being in favor of not only illegal immigration & open borders, but also being in favor of legal aid for illegals, and
especially for him emptying the jails throughout the state. <- That's clue #2.

Now the Democrats are stirring up racial tensions by asking their pals in the media to turn the non-racial George Floyd case into a racial case. Anything
to make the USA look bad, just because they are unhappy with their lack of power in the White House, and perhaps they're also angry about the FBI &
Obama being exposed for their wrongdoings. <- Clue #3.

These clues are telling us that the Democrats want more and more crime, but why? How does crime benefit the Democrats? The crime kinda scares me; do the Democrats want people to be scared? So that we can be more easily manipulated?

"Tired of crime? Vote for Democrats!" <- Is that gonna be their slogan?
Because it never has been their slogan before! If I'm right about all this, then I hope all the destruction and all the crime victims are worth it. All this just to make Democrats sit comfortably behind 10' concrete walls while
the less fortunate Americans get slaughtered by all this "mandatory crime."

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Aaron Thomas wrote to All:

I used to dislike Democrats for their position on open borders & defunding legal immigration. <- That was clue #1 that something was up.

Right wing propaganda. Nothing is up there.

Then Andrew Cuomo happened, being in favor of not only illegal immigration

open borders, but also being in favor of legal aid for illegals, and especially for him emptying the jails throughout the state. <- That's clue

#2.

Cuomo never supported illegal immigration. You need to get your facts
straight.

Now the Democrats are stirring up racial tensions by asking their pals in the media to turn the non-racial George Floyd case into a racial case.

The Democrats (or the Republicans for that matter) do not have friends in
the media who stir up anything. You are presenting fake news.

Anything to make the USA look bad, just because they are unhappy with
their lack of power in the White House, and perhaps they're also angry about the FBI & Obama being exposed for their wrongdoings. <- Clue #3.

More fake news. You don't need CNN, MSNBC, Fox News or anything else. You
must be reading The Epoch Times.

These clues are telling us that the Democrats want more and more crime, but why? How does crime benefit the Democrats? The crime kinda scares
me; do the Democrats want people to be scared? So that we can be more easily manipulated?

That's ridiculous to think/say the Democrats want more crime.

The current crime spree the white house is on is very scary. Be afraid. Be
very afraid.

The good news is the is an election coming up shortly. The people of the USA can put a stop to that if they choose.

"Tired of crime? Vote for Democrats!" <- Is that gonna be their slogan? Because it never has been their slogan before! If I'm right about all this, then I hope all the destruction and all the crime victims are worth it.

Democrats and Republicans are both "Law & Order" parties. Law & order in the USA does not depend on either party.

All this just to make Democrats sit comfortably behind 10' concrete walls while the less fortunate Americans get slaughtered by all this "mandatory crime."

What concrete walls? What mandatory crime?

Ttyl :-),
Al

... 24 hours in a day, 24 beers in a case. Coincidence?

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Right wing propaganda. Nothing is up there.

Every 2020 Democrat for president candidate debated, each and every one of
them stated that they are in favor of open borders. And this includes
prominent Democrat members of the US Senate.

Cuomo never supported illegal immigration. You need to get your facts straight.

Al - you're missing some serious news! Andrew Cuomo has made drivers licenses available to illegal immigrants while at the same time making it illegal for the motor vehicle dept to report them to ice. It creates a pathway for their citizenship, while people who are trying to migrate legitimately are facing longer wait times than usual.

And this group includes people who waited their entire lives to come to
the USA, many for potentially life-saving medical care, but thousands of illegals are budging in line without respect for those who applied and are awaiting their approval letters. It's not fair and that creates a hell of a
lot of safety concerns.

Then what happened a little later, is Andy let all accused criminals out of jail within 26 hours or less.

It's like, "Hey criminals, is there anything else we can do for ya?"

So naturally, Andy does more for them yet - No more getting arrested and
having your photo in the news. Media can no longer show mugshots unless it's
a person at large.

And after all that? There's even more bending backwards for criminals. I know that the people in NY don't stand for this. It is totally f'd. And I haven't even told you about all the other things Cuomo does that doesn't involve hurting people.

The reason for all this - I suspect - is that our upstate Republican
committees are corrupt. We have a democrat assemblywoman in my district who
ran unopposed last election, and it looks like she's going to do it again
this election. She's part of the Cuomo army against law and order. I've
reached out to her and she responded that she wanted to help people who
didn't have money for bail. I'm like "Ok..."

I wouldn't BS you Al. You're a cool bbs dude, I know you are. I grew up in upstate NY and these changes are ridiculous. Ask any conservative from NY and they will tell you the same thing. The residents of NY are NOT spoken for!
All this bs happened after I bought a house here.

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legal aid especially for them: 1-844-955-3425.

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Then Andrew Cuomo happened, being in favor of not only illegal immigration & >open borders, but also being in favor of legal aid for illegals, and >especially for him emptying the jails throughout the state. <- That's clue #2.

While sending old folks with Wuhan Coronavirus back to the rest homes, who could not handle them properly, instead of to the nearly empty hospital ship docked in the harbor, then blaming the President for all of the deaths.

These clues are telling us that the Democrats want more and more crime, but >why? How does crime benefit the Democrats? The crime kinda scares me; do the >Democrats want people to be scared? So that we can be more easily manipulated?

Anarchist and those hoping to move us towards socialism/communism love
chaos. It causes confusion and brings them closer to their goal... totally destroying the current society and/or making us overly-reliant on the government.


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The Democrats (or the Republicans for that matter) do not have friends in
the media who stir up anything. You are presenting fake news.

I disagree with this statement. Watching some of the meltdowns that those
in the American media had on Election Night 2016 makes their bias pretty obvious. Going back in time beyond that, the soft ball questions that
Kattie Couric asked Hillary Clinton before the 2008 primaries, setting up
fake Town Halls by feeding the participants and Bill Clinton the scripted questions beforehand (the "Boxers or Briefs" question included), having
Bill and, later, Obama on the late night shows just to show they were one
of the boys...

Speaking of Couric... I can remember how she used to even say other
politicians names. She would "sing-song" Hillary's name while saying "President Bush" through clinched teeth.

There is a lot of fake news spread around, but the media bias is not a part
of it.

Democrats and Republicans are both "Law & Order" parties. Law & order in the USA does not depend on either party.

All this just to make Democrats sit comfortably behind 10' concrete walls while the less fortunate Americans get slaughtered by all this "mandatory crime."

What concrete walls? What mandatory crime?

I don't know about the politicians, but it is pretty common knowledge that
many of our Hollywood types, who are always speaking out against second amendment rights and backing Democratic candidates, live in gated communities or in walled-off estates complete with armed guards.


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Anarchist and those hoping to move us towards socialism/communism love chaos. It causes confusion and brings them closer to their goal... totally destroying the current society and/or making us overly-reliant
on the government.

Ok, thank you, I was just checking. I guess I'm not crazy and that all really is happening.

A great time to buy guns!

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Aaron Thomas wrote to Alan Ianson:

Every 2020 Democrat for president candidate debated, each and every one of them stated that they are in favor of open borders. And this includes prominent Democrat members of the US Senate.

What does that mean exactly, and it something you need to be worried about?

I agree that every nation needs secure borders. I don't think building a
wall will provide that at any cost. There will always be those who go over, under through or around it.

Al - you're missing some serious news! Andrew Cuomo has made drivers licenses available to illegal immigrants while at the same time making
it illegal for the motor vehicle dept to report them to ice. It creates
a pathway for their citizenship, while people who are trying to migrate legitimately are facing longer wait times than usual.

You're probably right. I don't follow Cuomo or any politicians closely but I know that Cuomo is a progressive. We need to make some real progress if we
hope to move forward in any real way.

I have hope that Democrat and Republican politicians can make some progress
if they can work together in spite of the current Democrat <-> Republican hatred that seems to exist.

And this group includes people who waited their entire lives to come to
the USA, many for potentially life-saving medical care, but thousands of illegals are budging in line without respect for those who applied and are awaiting their approval letters. It's not fair and that creates a hell of lot of safety concerns.

I suppose you can turn them away at the border if that will get you where
you need to go. Just turn them away, don't separate children from their
parents as is happening under the Trump administration.

Then what happened a little later, is Andy let all accused criminals out of jail within 26 hours or less.

What criminals, are your jails empty now?

And after all that? There's even more bending backwards for criminals. I know that the people in NY don't stand for this. It is totally f'd. And
I haven't even told you about all the other things Cuomo does that
doesn't involve hurting people.

I don't know what you mean about all that. Feel free to express yourself if
you need to.

I wouldn't BS you Al.

I didn't think you were BSing me and I wouldn't BS you either.

You're a cool bbs dude, I know you are. I grew up in upstate NY and these changes are ridiculous. Ask any conservative from NY and they will tell
you the same thing. The residents of NY are NOT spoken for!

There seems to be such a wide gap between left and right these days. I think both sides need to be part of the solutions that are needed.

All this bs happened after I bought a house here.

It can be like a pendulum, it swings this way and that way and it never
seems to stop.

Green Light Law:

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w%20York,)%2C%20Acting%20Secretary%20Chad%20F.&text=The%20law%20prohibits%2

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And in case these fine folks have any trouble at all, he's offering free legal aid especially for them: 1-844-955-3425.

I don't know whay the green light law is but I'll look into that.

It's the same in Canada. If you are arrested you don't have to say anything without a lawyer present. If you don't have a lawyer or can't afford one
they give you one. May not be the best lawyer but they'll give you one. ;)

Ttyl :-),
Al

... There's always one more bug.

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Mike Powell wrote to ALAN IANSON:

The Democrats (or the Republicans for that matter) do not have friends in the media who stir up anything. You are presenting fake news.

I disagree with this statement.

I stand by that statement. The whole fake news thing is just another
Trumpism.

Folks may not like what they see on the news, that doesn't make it fake.

Watching some of the meltdowns that those in the American media had on Election Night 2016 makes their bias pretty obvious.

I never watched the news on election night so I dunno what went down. Some folks had trouble with a Donald Trump presidency?

Hows that Donald trump presidency today?

Going back in time beyond that, the soft ball questions that Kattie
Couric asked Hillary Clinton before the 2008 primaries, setting up
fake Town Halls by feeding the participants and Bill Clinton the
scripted questions beforehand (the "Boxers or Briefs" question
included), having Bill and, later, Obama on the late night shows just
to show they were one of the boys...

I don't know who Kattie Couric is but it sounds like Donald Trump on the fox entertainment network the other night when he said Biden would be president because poeple didn't love him (Trump) or something.

Speaking of Couric... I can remember how she used to even say other politicians names. She would "sing-song" Hillary's name while saying "President Bush" through clinched teeth.

That's the way it goes. That happens on Fox these days. It's not fake, it's real.. such as it is.

There is a lot of fake news spread around, but the media bias is not a part of it.

Ever person has their own bias. I have mine and you have yours. That doesn't mean something is fake or untrue.

So much of what Donald Trump says is a lie it is hard to separate the truth from the lies.

Democrats and Republicans are both "Law & Order" parties. Law & order in

the USA does not depend on either party.

All this just to make Democrats sit comfortably behind 10' concrete walls while the less fortunate Americans get slaughtered by all
this "mandatory crime."

What concrete walls? What mandatory crime?

I don't know about the politicians, but it is pretty common knowledge that many of our Hollywood types, who are always speaking out against second amendment rights and backing Democratic candidates, live in gated communities or in walled-off estates complete with armed guards.

Yeah, this just gets more and more complicated.

I saw on the news yesterday some protesters were marching down a street and
a man and his wife came outside their house with guns! No you read that
right, this is happening in America right now!

The wife had a handgun and the man had an automatic rifle, some military
type weapon I think. It seems like this was a gated community perhaps and
this street was privately owned?

The protesters were unarmed and making their way down the street peacefully.

Ttyl :-),
Al

... ASCII stupid question, get a stupid ANSI.

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Aaron Thomas wrote to Mike Powell:

Ok, thank you, I was just checking. I guess I'm not crazy and that all really is happening.

A great time to buy guns!

There are a lot of guns already, do you think more will make you safe? Is
your life or property in danger?

Ttyl :-),
Al

... Why do we say something is out of whack? What is a whack?

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What does that mean exactly, and it something you need to be worried about?

For us, "open borders" means that anyone can enter the USA unnanounced, from anywhere, Canada, Mexico, no passport needed, no driver's license needed, certainly no visa needed.

People can come and go as they please - the people who work in the border booths ("How long will you be staying in the states? Are you bringing any alcohol or tobacco?") will have their job duty change to "Welcome to the USA! No questions asked! Get the hell in here!"

That's something I worry about because I like things better the way they are now; people are required to enter through a port of entry, they need to
show ID, and their cargo is subject to inspection. If they're wanted by
police in the USA, Canada, or Mexico, they're busted right there on the border. Democrats are thrill-seekers, I guess.

I have hope that Democrat and Republican politicians can make some progress if they can work together in spite of the current Democrat <-> Republican

I hope so too. Democrats obviously want liberal stuff, and Republicans obviously want safety stuff, so there is a conflict of interest in
budgeting, but I'm in favor of striking some deals; we do some liberal crap if they do some conservative crap. I wish Trump would put it like that.

I suppose you can turn them away at the border if that will get you where you need to go. Just turn them away, don't separate children from their

If we turn them away, that sounds nice. "Sorry guys, but you got to turn around and go back home!" It won't work; they will look for alternative
routes if there's a roadblock.

As far as I know, separating children from parents is due to the parents being arrested and detained for committing illegal immigration. In the USA, when parents go to jail, the authorities make arrangements for the children they leave behind.

If I go rob a bank, with my kid, and I get busted on my way out the door, the police will not let me take my kid to jail with me. The kid has to go somewhere else. This is how and why children are being separated from their parents at the border; their parents are being detained for illegal offenses, the children being put "in cages" are being protected by authorities as an alternative to letting them starve to death in the streets.

without a lawyer present. If you don't have a lawyer or can't afford one they give you one. May not be the best lawyer but they'll give you one. ;)

That sounds similar to what we got here, but do you think Canada will give a foreign national a free lawyer if they can't afford one? I needed legal aid in Pennsylvania once. They wouldn't give it to me because I wasn't a Pennsylvania resident. But NY will give you legal aid no matter what country you came from.

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A great time to buy guns!

There are a lot of guns already, do you think more will make you safe? Is your life or property in danger?

A little! I have excellent security cameras, a fenced-in property with a locked gate, but I still feel unprepared to handle criminals with nothing to lose, because that's how it is here now; they really have no incentive to not rob and/or murder people. They will be out of jail within 26 hours, able to repeat.

I want a gun but I've been putting it off.

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On 3 Jul 20 17:43, Aaron Thomas said the following to Alan Ianson:

I want a gun but I've been putting it off.

If Trump is re-elected in November I strongly suspect more rioting and chaos (in the name of "peaceful protesting"). The defund-the-police movement and acceptance of the BLM marxist movement is the first in a series of moves to completely undo any civil-rights accomplishments of the 60's.

If Biden is elected however, watch Covid magically go away courtesy the mass media just like H1N1, Sars, Bird flu, West Nile, etc. The CDC will move the goal-posts so that Covid must be the primary cause of death and absolutely nothing else. Watch the Covid numbers drop and democrats become heroes, and suddenly the media settles down into an odd peaceful bliss.

I almost guarantee that is what will certainly happen. All panic and hysteria stops with Biden, everyone is happy with Trump gone and secretly the leftists then begin to work the socialist angle even further. Biden will then get
sick or something will happen and his VP takes over. Media plays the sympathy angle. We'll all feel sorry for him meanwhile we don't see the next storm...

Nick

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If Biden is elected however, watch Covid magically go away courtesy the mas media just like H1N1, Sars, Bird flu, West Nile, etc. The CDC will move the

My suspicion is that the Chinese already have a working vaccination for Covid-19, and have had it all along. They will be happy to hand it over to a Democrat when that Democrat gives them the trade deal they want.

Joe also is "going to cure cancer." At least that was his campaign strategy a few months ago. That one's not going to disappear as easily as Covid-19 though; it's going to more like the "affordable healthcare for all Americans" joke that Obama played on us. "Now if you really wanna cure cancer, you'll re-elect me!"

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Hello Dale,

Have the Republicans thought about putting someone else on the ballot?
I doubt that would make much difference at this point. So much damage
has already been done but they might have a better shot at holding the
White House.

There is another Repulican running for President. In the primary
election in my state he got 20% of the vote. What does that say about Trump?

The former prosecutor might be prosecuting his opponent after
the election?

--Lee

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Maybe fake news is new in Canada, but it has existed long before Trump started running so, unless he has mastered time travel...

We have our share of fakes and liars here to.
We try not to elect them if at all possible. :)

Yes, but do they deliver your news? We were not talking about electing
people, we were talking about the existence of "fake new" as told by "journalists."

Dan Rather still maintains the story and the facts are so. Something about the way they got the story or the documents were questionable.

He got in trouble because the source was not checked and there was no proof
of anything he reported.

There's nothing new about liars and fakes. This "Fake News" hysteria is new, a gift to the American people from Donald Trump.

If you are saying you never heard the term "fake news" before Donald Trump
ran for President, I will have to take your word for that. But it is not
that new to me.

Why do you call it Wuhan Caronavirus? That spin on the truth is telling.

Well, I have friends from China. They call it that, and CCP Virus. I
don't think I have ever heard them use the term "COVID-19" except at work.
So, if they are not offended by it, I am not worried about using it. That
was what it was called in its early days in the press before people went
all PC crazy about it.

An aside, when I was younger, the term "Oriental" was used pretty often.
When I was in college, I met some non-Asian people who claimed the term was racist and offensive and I should stop using it.

Once I got into the work force, I have had co-workers from different parts
of Asia. The ones I got to know well are from China and Vietnam. Unless refering specifically to persons from a particular country, guess what term they use to describe that area of the World and the people who are from
there?

If you guess any term other than "Oriental" you are wrong! The only time
they say "Asian" is when they are referring to persons from India or some
other place West of East Asia.

I often wondered if I should tell them that they are being offensive?

Do you think Donald Trump policies are responsible for your good fortune?

Donald Trumps tax cuts benefit the top 1% and not the average American.

I attribute your good fortune to your own actions. I hope that will continue to be the case regardless of who the president happens to be.

Yes, I do because my actions were the same during the tenure of the
previous couple of Presidents and DID NOT change. I saw no such increase
until 2018 or so. I did not mention taxes, only my 401K.

And my actions had nothing to do with lower black unemployment, and unemployment in general.

I hear Trump say "I created the greatest (this/that) in American history". I don't hear anyone else say that, but Trump says it over and over.

His policies, pre-virus, had created the best economy since Reagan.


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And Obama's, too. It was under his administration that children were put in cages. Footage of this was later passed off as being something that started happening after Trump took office. It was later exposed to be footage from Obama's administration.

Those cages are probably old and predate Obama.

OK, I see. When it is something Trump did, it is new. If Obama did it, it must have been someone else before him. That is more telling than my use
of Wuhan Coronavirus.

If it was me, I would just put them all on busses and dump them in British Columbia.

In other words, it was that variety of supposedly non-existent news known as "fake" that real newspeople used to get fired over.

It was the Trump administration where these separations were happening.

Something here is fake. Did these separations begin/happen under Obama or Trump? Do you remember the uproar over Trump doing this?

I remember the uproar. I also remember reports that the separations were a carry over from the previous administration and were not new.

Also, a lot of the children that are/were being "separated" were actually being abandonded... adults were using children to gain sympathy to get in (or get on TV), and then leaving them behind once they got across.

I'm talking about children/families in US custody at the border.

Right, and I am talking about when the "parents" get released and they leave the kids.

I need to keep up with what Trudeau is up to so that I can be as obsessed
with politics that aren't in my country as you and Lee are.


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Dale Shipp wrote to Alan Ianson:

Have the Republicans thought about putting someone else on the ballot? I doubt that would make much difference at this point. So
much damage has already been done but they might have a better shot
at holding the White House.

There is another Repulican running for President. In the primary
election in my state he got 20% of the vote. What does that say about Trump?

I didn't know about that but I'll look it up.

I don't know what to think about the Repulican party as it is today. I don't know if Donald Trump represents them and what they stand for. I suppose he
does or they would replace him.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Mike Powell wrote to ALAN IANSON:

Yes, but do they deliver your news? We were not talking about electing people, we were talking about the existence of "fake new" as told by "journalists."

Nobody delivers any news here, I read the news from a multitude of sources.

Dan Rather still maintains the story and the facts are so. Something about the way they got the story or the documents were questionable.

He got in trouble because the source was not checked and there was no proof of anything he reported.

Dan Rather reported the story as it was given to him. His producer and a
number of others were fired because of the sources or documents being in question. The facts were never denied.

If the facts are correct then it's not fake.

There's nothing new about liars and fakes. This "Fake News" hysteria is new, a gift to the American people from Donald Trump.

If you are saying you never heard the term "fake news" before Donald Trump ran for President, I will have to take your word for that. But it is not that new to me.

There is nothing new about fakes, liars and cheats. They are as old as the planet. We see it all the time and we have to keep checks on that. There is nothing new about it.

Why do you call it Wuhan Caronavirus? That spin on the truth is telling.

Well, I have friends from China. They call it that, and CCP Virus.

Uh huh.

I hear Trump say "I created the greatest (this/that) in American history". I don't hear anyone else say that, but Trump says it over
and over.

His policies, pre-virus, had created the best economy since Reagan.

Yes, that's what Donald Trump keeps saying. A quick fact check will get you
the facts, along with the facts about black unemployment that has been steadlily declining since 2011 at least. I'd call that an Obama success and
it continues to decline at the same steady pace under Trump.



Ttyl :-),
Al

... Oh no, not another learning experience!

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Mike Powell wrote to ALAN IANSON:

Those cages are probably old and predate Obama.

OK, I see. When it is something Trump did, it is new. If Obama did it, it must have been someone else before him. That is more telling than my use of Wuhan Coronavirus.

I'm not now and never was talking about the cages that you put people in. That's a deflection that Trump also used. We also have cages here that were built by various government agencys.

I'm talking about Donald Trumps zero-tolerance policy that separated
children from their parents.

If it was me, I would just put them all on busses and dump them in British Columbia.

That will not solve any of your problems or mine, or theirs.

I remember the uproar. I also remember reports that the separations were carry over from the previous administration and were not new.

That never happened under the previous administration.

Also, a lot of the children that are/were being "separated" were

I need to keep up with what Trudeau is up to

He has a twitter account so that is real easy, a little dry perhaps.

so that I can be as obsessed with politics that aren't in my country as
you and Lee are.

I'm not obsessed with politics Canadian or American. The USA is our closest neighbor and our two countries work together in many areas to the benefit of both countries.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Hello Aaron,

Before the first NFL football game is played, and all NFL games
thereafter, the crowd will rise to its feet and join in singing the
Black National Anthem -

What a horrible thing that is - to have black NFL fans denouncing the national anthem.

What is so horrible about celebrating such a great part of America?
We live in a multicultural society, not one of apartheid like South
Africa used to be.

What's next?

Native American Pow-Wows.

Full segregation?

Who said anything about segregation? There are plenty of seats
available in NFL stadiums to accommodate everybody, regardless of
race, sex, gender, or whatever.

That ain't gonna be Trump's fault either;

When did Trump ever call for the Washington Redskins to change
its name? When did Trump ever call for the Kansas City Chiefs to
change its name? When did Trump ever call for the Atlanta Braves
to change its name? When did Trump ever call for the Cleveland
Indians to change its name? And then there are the mascots ...

it's your liberal media making George Floyd the new Jesus,

Four cops, three of them white and one of them Asian, created
the new Jesus. It is everybody else who became his followers.

and making Derrick Chauvin the new Hitler, despite him not ever saying or doing anything racially motivated.

White cop kneeling on black man's throat for 8 minutes, 46 seconds.
That is a long time without air. And you do not think it was racially motivated?

White cop wanted black dude dead. Plain and simple. White cop
got exactly what he wanted. But our society is too polite. Chauvin
will never get what he truly deserves.

The white cop should be deprived of his own liberty. For the rest
of his natural life. That is the only punishment he truly deserves.

His three accomplices might deserve the same, but perhaps can be
granted parole after having served half a century or so in the slammer.

Of course, there can never be true justice for George Floyd, as his
remains are already in the ground forever.

--Lee

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Hello Aaron,

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1304553/coronavirus-vaccine-news

That is good news that we can all be happy about. No need to boycott China,
and no need to take 2 knees for China either.

There is no such thing as the "kung flu" - or any other such nonsense
spewed by your dingaling president.

Trump's efforts to leave Americans with no health care for anybody
except those who can afford it is a non-starter. Access to quality
health care is the first of all human rights, as being dead means

I forgive Obama for promising affordable health care for all Americans - for
four years - and never delivering it. He meant well, I'm sure, despite his tax penalty for people which was tacked on to people paying cash for their medical bills.

The ACA has provided much needed help for millions of Americans,
and remains the law of the land. Despite the Trump administration's
many attempts to have the courts overturn it.

What does Trump have in mind to replace it with? Nothing. Nothing at
all. He wants all Americans (except those with golden parachutes) to
suffer. As much as possible.

Helluva guy. Somebody should give him a taste of his own medicine.
Let him live the life of a pauper. Without a pot to piss in, or a
place to stay.

But we are not that kind of a people. Once we try him on various
crimes, and find him guilty as hell, we will grant him a place to
stay. And clothe him. And feed him. And give him all the medical
care he could ever need. Why? Because we can. Not that he deserves
any of it.

Besides, that is what taxes are for.

Popular vote!

No thanks! Big cities can suck it!

How anti-democratic. The candidate with the least votes wins.
Happened in five of the last six elections. Time to fix things
right. End the electoral college system. Should be buried with
the rest of our racist and colonial past.

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Hello Mike,

[..]

An aside, when I was younger, the term "Oriental" was used pretty
often.

When I was in college, I met some non-Asian people who claimed the term was
racist and offensive and I should stop using it.

Depends on who you talk to. But to some, it is offensive.

Once I got into the work force, I have had co-workers from different parts of Asia. The ones I got to know well are from China and Vietnam. Unless refering specifically to persons from a particular country, guess what term
they use to describe that area of the World and the people who are from there?

I don't have to guess, having been to some of those parts.

If you guess any term other than "Oriental" you are wrong!

You are so full of it your eyes are turning brown.

The only time they say "Asian" is when they are referring to persons from India or some other place West of East Asia.

Filipinos to not call themselves "Asians", as they not look at
their country as being any part of Asia.

Japanese consider themselves as being the white race of Asia.
Even though Japan is not part of any mainland called Asia.

I often wondered if I should tell them that they are being offensive?

Perhaps you should travel to the Philippines and Japan so you can
find out for yourself.

Do you think Donald Trump policies are responsible for your good fortune?

Donald Trumps tax cuts benefit the top 1% and not the average American.

I attribute your good fortune to your own actions. I hope that will
continue to be the case regardless of who the president happens to be.

Yes, I do because my actions were the same during the tenure of the previous couple of Presidents and DID NOT change. I saw no such increase until 2018 or so. I did not mention taxes, only my 401K.

An individual's actions are never the same from one time to another
time. We always change our approach to solving problems, trying to find
better solutions.

When we know something does not work, we try something else. And
keep trying and trying and trying, until we finally do find something
that works.

Tax cuts for the wealthy is not the way to grow an economy. However,
tax cuts for everybody else can be very beneficial. JFK uncerstood
that. So did Obama. And let's not forget about Clinton, who left
office with a surplus. Eight months later, that surplus got squandered
by GWB and his tax cuts for the wealthy, putting this country into
deficit. Then came the terrorist attacks on 9-11. So please. Do not
blame it on Osama bin Laden.

And my actions had nothing to do with lower black unemployment, and unemployment in general.

Voting is a violent act. So yes. You did have plenty to do with
black folks (and other folks) having higher unemployment than white
folks.

I hear Trump say "I created the greatest (this/that) in American history".
I don't hear anyone else say that, but Trump says it over and over.

His policies, pre-virus, had created the best economy since Reagan.

Far from it.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-45827430


Dated 17 February 2020

This was pre-virus, so there is no excuse.

As can plainly be seen, the economy fared far better under
the Obama administration than under the current Trump administration.
When compared to the 1950s and 1960s, the economy fared even better.
But then, back in those days, no other economy in the world could
match what the USA could do.

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What is so horrible about celebrating such a great part of America?

I guess we can practice racial segregation at baseball games, if that's what Democrats want.

White cop kneeling on black man's throat for 8 minutes, 46 seconds.
That is a long time without air. And you do not think it was racially motivated?

You didn't explain anything. What's racist about killing someone with your knee? Does 8:46 mean something in some code that I don't understand?

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The ACA has provided much needed help for millions of Americans,
and remains the law of the land. Despite the Trump administration's
many attempts to have the courts overturn it.

You sound like a condolence letter signed by a Democrat lawmaker. They make terrible stuff sound beautiful.

What does Trump have in mind to replace it with? Nothing. Nothing at
all. He wants all Americans (except those with golden parachutes) to suffer. As much as possible.

We can revert back to pre-Obama healthcare. We can stop hassling Americans at tax time by making them show proof of health coverage for the entire year.

No thanks! Big cities can suck it!

How anti-democratic. The candidate with the least votes wins.

New York City is turning into the same old piece of garbage it was in the 80s. Demcrats are taking us back in time. I live north of NYC, and I don't have a voice in the presidential election without the electoral college.

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Hello Aaron,

What is so horrible about celebrating such a great part of America?

I guess we can practice racial segregation at baseball games, if that's what
Democrats want.

The Cleveland Indians should change their name.
The Atlanta Braves should change their name.
Other sports teams should also change their names.
No ethnic group should be used as a name for any team,
whether that team is high school, college, or professional.

Imagine the outcry if a team called itself the Niggers.
Imagine the outcry if a team called itself the Spics.
Imagine the outcry if a team called itself the Slanteyes.
Imagine the outcry if a team called itself the Honkies.

Is that would you would want? A bunch of teams being
called racial epithets?

White cop kneeling on black man's throat for 8 minutes, 46 seconds.
That is a long time without air. And you do not think it was racially
motivated?

You didn't explain anything. What's racist about killing someone with your knee? Does 8:46 mean something in some code that I don't understand?

"I can't breathe!" ~last words of George Floyd

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Hello Aaron,

The ACA has provided much needed help for millions of Americans,
and remains the law of the land. Despite the Trump administration's
many attempts to have the courts overturn it.

You sound like a condolence letter signed by a Democrat lawmaker. They make
terrible stuff sound beautiful.

Prepare yourself for plenty of it, starting this coming January.

What does Trump have in mind to replace it with? Nothing. Nothing at
all. He wants all Americans (except those with golden parachutes) to
suffer. As much as possible.

We can revert back to pre-Obama healthcare.

Nobody wants to die. Much better to live. That is why we the people
refuse to give up what we have. The Japanese used to die for their
Emperor, but have given up ritual suicide as not worth the effort.

We can stop hassling Americans at tax time by making them show proof of health coverage for the entire year.

Everything ought to be free. From the moment of conception, to the
moment of natural death. And also afterward, as everyone deserves a
burial - with a marker.

Everything should also be free for the parents, including paid
maternity leave for both. And not for just a few days or weeks.
Not to mention free child care for when the parents eventually
return to work.

But that is getting ahead of ourselves ...

No thanks! Big cities can suck it!

How anti-democratic. The candidate with the least votes wins.

New York City is turning into the same old piece of garbage it was in the 80s.

Oh, it is a much improved version today, with the current mayor
having been a contestant in the presidential sweepstakes this year.

Demcrats are taking us back in time.

"Why not the best?" ~Jimmy Carter

The best president we ever had. Never told a lie. And even admitted
he lusted. But only in his heart, when reading Playboy.

I live north of NYC, and I don't have a voice in the presidential election without the electoral college.

Nobody has a voice in the presidential election, as the electoral
college system prevents that from happening. Time to get rid of it.

--Lee

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No ethnic group should be used as a name for any team,

That's ok, but why do blacks & whites need to stand for seperate "national" anthems?

White cop kneeling on black man's throat for 8 minutes, 46 seconds.
That is a long time without air. And you do not think it was racially
motivated?

You didn't explain anything. What's racist about killing someone with knee? Does 8:46 mean something in some code that I don't understand?

"I can't breathe!" ~last words of George Floyd

Still nothing racial. I think you're sorta like me; you're willing to ignore inconvenient truths & invest in convenient truths. We should stop doing that, because we're lying to ourselves.

You're lying to yourself if you think the George Floyd murder was racially motivated. Third degree murder or second degree manslaughter doesn't equal racially motivated killing. People of other races kill each other all the time, but some liberals in the media decided that this time we're gonna tranform a murder (I'd say it's more like negligent homicide) into "racist white police officer kills unarmed black man just for being black."

You *want* Chauvin to be a KKK hillbilly on a mission to kill blacks, but why? Does it help the Biden campaign because people have accused Trump of being racist? This is their big break? Destroy America - make little black kids fear the police - all just to put Biden in the White House? I hope it's worth it. I hope Biden makes all your dreams come true.

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Everything ought to be free. From the moment of conception, to the

But should everyone pay a penalty at tax time as punishment for not being able to afford Obama's "Affordable Health Care for All Americans?"

They don't ask you if you were able to afford a health plan - they just ask if you had a health plan.

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Hello Aaron,

No ethnic group should be used as a name for any team,

That's ok, but why do blacks & whites need to stand for seperate "national"
anthems?

Kneeling is always an option. Never a mandate.

White cop kneeling on black man's throat for 8 minutes, 46

seconds.

That is a long time without air. And you do not think it was

racially

motivated?

You didn't explain anything. What's racist about killing someone

with

knee? Does 8:46 mean something in some code that I don't

understand?

"I can't breathe!" ~last words of George Floyd

Still nothing racial. I think you're sorta like me; you're willing to ignore
inconvenient truths & invest in convenient truths. We should stop doing that, because we're lying to ourselves.

When white cop does it to black man, it is racist.
When black man does it to white cop, it is justice.

Since this was clearly a case of white cop doing it to black man,
it is most assuredly racist. Unnerstan'?

You're lying to yourself if you think the George Floyd murder was racially motivated.

White cop doing it to black man = racially motivated.

Third degree murder or second degree manslaughter doesn't equal
racially motivated killing.

White cop who did the evil deed was charged with second degree murder.
All four cops should have been charged with first degree murder. None
of the cops were black, and chose to make sure he never lived to see
another day. That is racism at its worst.

People of other races kill each other all the time,

The state does it all the time, committing murder in our name.
We should end the death penalty now, and toss Gruesome Gertie and
all other devices of execution on the trash heap of history.

but some liberals in the media decided that this time we're gonna
tranform a murder (I'd say it's more like negligent homicide) into "racist white police officer kills unarmed black man just for being black."

How many rich folks get the juice? None. How many white folks get
the juice, compared to the number of black folks who get the juice?
Very few, and all of them dirt poor. Our society does not give a
sh*t about black folks, whether they are rich or poor. All it cares
about is for whites to keep and maintain white power forever. No
matter what it takes.

You *want* Chauvin to be a KKK hillbilly on a mission to kill blacks, but why?

We the people are calling for justice to be served. That means for
all four cops (not just Chauvin) who committed this evil deed be
prosecuted for their crimes. And do the time, after being convicted
and sentenced.

Does it help the Biden campaign because people have accused Trump of being racist?

The news media has already proven it to be a fact that Trump is
a racist. Nothing new there.

This is their big break?

Pretty much everybody knows Trump is a racist and a bigot.

Destroy America - make little black kids fear the police - all just to put Biden in the White House?

Saving America. That is what this is all about. Regardless of who
becomes the next POTUS.

I hope it's worth it.

It most definitely will be. For everybody.

I hope Biden makes all your dreams come true.

Oh, he'll be sure to knock your socks off.

--Lee

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Hello Aaron,

Everything ought to be free. From the moment of conception, to the

But should everyone pay a penalty at tax time as punishment for not being able to afford Obama's "Affordable Health Care for All Americans?"

There is no tax penalty for not paying your taxes in regards
to the ACA.

They don't ask you if you were able to afford a health plan - they just ask
if you had a health plan.

Like I said, there is no tax penalty.

--Lee

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I'm talking about Donald Trumps zero-tolerance policy that separated
children from their parents.

If you decide to drag your kids all the way across Mexico, knowing that you
are going to be separated at the border, whose fault is that? Did Donald invite them up? No. Did he tell them to drag their kids across dangerous areas of Mexico controled by drug cartels? No.

Sounds to me like they are the type of parents that the law often
permanently separates from their kids. In our country behavior like that
is called "endangering the welfare of a child."

Now, I do know of people who do work to encourage such behavior. I am
related to one. Until COVID, they were making regular trips to Central American to teach people what to do and how to act when they make it to our border. They are not a Republican or Trump supporter, and would be
very irrate at being confused with either.


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Alan Ianson wrote to Dale Shipp <=-

I don't know what to think about the Repulican party as it is today. I don't know if Donald Trump represents them and what they stand for. I suppose he does or they would replace him.

I think they signed on with an outsider patsy who's going to take the
fall, but in the meantime advance their agenda more than a
political operator could. It's entirely possible that Trump's
presidency implodes, and when the dust settles the republican party
will have made significant gains in their agenda.



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Lee Lofaso wrote to Aaron Thomas <=-

Imagine the outcry if a team called itself the Niggers.
Imagine the outcry if a team called itself the Spics.
Imagine the outcry if a team called itself the Slanteyes.
Imagine the outcry if a team called itself the Honkies.

There is an American Indian college whose team is called the
"Fighting Whities".

I'd hope their team mascot looks like Michael Douglas in "Falling
Down" - short sleeve shirt, skinny tie, bad haircut, black slacks...




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When white cop does it to black man, it is racist.
When black man does it to white cop, it is justice.

You're out of your mind! What kind of psychedelics are you on? Will you share with me? Just start me out on a low dose in case I start to sound crazy!

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Hello Kurt,

Imagine the outcry if a team called itself the Niggers.
Imagine the outcry if a team called itself the Spics.
Imagine the outcry if a team called itself the Slanteyes.
Imagine the outcry if a team called itself the Honkies.

There is an American Indian college whose team is called the
"Fighting Whities".

I'd hope their team mascot looks like Michael Douglas in "Falling
Down" - short sleeve shirt, skinny tie, bad haircut, black slacks...

You would not believe me if I told you ...

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Hello Aaron,

When white cop does it to black man, it is racist.
When black man does it to white cop, it is justice.

You're out of your mind! What kind of psychedelics are you on? Will you share
with me? Just start me out on a low dose in case I start to sound crazy!

Black Lives Matter. Colin K. just signed with Disney.
Mickey Mouse is alive and well in the Magic Kingdom.

This is all true. I never lie. Besides, nobody can make
any of this stuff up. Not even Trump himself.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29417850/colin-kaepernick- disney-announce-partnership-deal


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Kurt Weiske wrote to Alan Ianson:

I don't know what to think about the Repulican party as it is today. don't know if Donald Trump represents them and what they stand for. I suppose he does or they would replace him.

I think they signed on with an outsider patsy who's going to take the
fall, but in the meantime advance their agenda more than a
political operator could. It's entirely possible that Trump's
presidency implodes, and when the dust settles the republican party
will have made significant gains in their agenda.

I still don't know. Perhaps the Republican will show us or let us know at
some point what they are all about. The Republicans from the Lincoln project have made their feelings known at least.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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Mike Powell wrote to ALAN IANSON:

I'm talking about Donald Trumps zero-tolerance policy that separated children from their parents.

[...]

There is a new book coming out soon. It might be available by the time you
get this called Separated: Inside an American Tragedy by Jacob Soboroff.

When this policy failed the Trump administration said it would stop in 2018.
It has not. There have been more than 1000 children separated from their parents since then and it continues.

Ttyl :-),
Al

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On 07-03-20, MIKE POWELL said to ALAN IANSON:

I did not see any photos or footage of the crowd in question, so my MP>assumption is that the couple overreacted. I am glad they did not shoot MP>anyone.

They tore down the gate of a `gated' community in order to enter the area. The gate was there for a reason.


Its the same as tearing down the `gate' of a fence around a TV factory. The `gate' is there for a reason; to only allow employees and shippers in and out.


The gate around the `gated' community where this took place was torn down by the protesters. The couple were in the right in that they were protecting
their home and property.


No doubt the democrats in power there will skew it into something its not (and democrats always do).


But an angry mob tearing down the gate of a `gated' community and entering the area isn't `peaceful' in any sense of the word.


The only thing I'd have done differently is I'd have remained inside, but
ready to repel any who began to damage my property. They wouldn't have even known I was armed till the first shot.


Going outside to confront a crowd isn't smart; especially after news reels of heavily armed mobs and protesters of the lefties were broadcast all over the country. There was no way to know if anyone in the mob of vandals were armed
or not. Bad move.





I'm surprised one or both weren't shot!




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The gate around the `gated' community where this took place was torn down by the protesters. The couple were in the right in that they were protecting their home and property.

I thought I had heard that but could not remember. Thanks!

No doubt the democrats in power there will skew it into something its not (and
democrats always do).

Yeah, just as long as those protesters were not knocking down the gates to their communities or homes.

But an angry mob tearing down the gate of a `gated' community and entering the
area isn't `peaceful' in any sense of the word.

But ownership of property is wrong! lol

The only thing I'd have done differently is I'd have remained inside, but ready to repel any who began to damage my property. They wouldn't have even known I was armed till the first shot.

I would not have wanted to go out to confront them either.


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On 07-13-20, MIKE POWELL said to TIM RICHARDSON:

The only thing I'd have done differently is I'd have remained inside, but ready to repel any who began to damage my property. They wouldn't have even known I was armed till the first shot.

I would not have wanted to go out to confront them either.

When they came out with firearms they were in danger of having to actually
use them.


In a crowd of that sort there's always going to be at least one individual who's going to do something to see if they can provoke you to fire.


The crowd was big enough that the couple could have easily been overwhelmed
and their own weapons used on them.


Staying inside, staying quiet, and watching is the way to go. One brick thrown at a window they are no longer `protesting', they are `attacking'. Two quick shots at the brick thrower would do it. As my old drill sergeant used to say; `one shot is good...two's better!'


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