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    From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Mike Powell on Friday, September 09, 2022 06:16:30
    Hello Mike,

    Do you have any evidence to support your claim of widespread MAGA
    Republicans?

    Look at the attendance at Trump rallies.

    Their attendance doesn't mean they think he won the 2020 election.

    Bullshit.

    For Life,
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  • From Rebecca Marie@1:124/5016 to MIKE POWELL on Friday, September 09, 2022 11:46:00
    MIKE POWELL wrote to REBECCA MARIE <=-

    from all advertising in the Chinese market. As I look at your list, I suspect the ones that are truely cancelled (i.e. you cannot watch,
    find, or buy them anywere -- and I only see one!) happened not because

    It's disingenous to re-frame the crux of the debate in the middle of the debate. I.e. you can't say "oh, I mean stuff that is 'truly' canceled and cannot watch..."

    above, become as difficult to obtain as a copy of "And to Think that I
    Saw it on Mulberry Street."

    That's because Dr. Seuss Enterprises decided to stop publishing "Mulberry Street" and five others. Their choice.

    When these get removed these days, it is usually no longer because of
    the mention of the characters but because of the sexual content not
    being age appropriate.

    Well, you can keep telling yourself that if you'd like, doesn't mean "they
    have sexual content" isn't code for "we hate LGBTQ people".

    passage out of one such book available in their kid's school library.
    He was prevented from doing so because he was told he could not read "pornography" during the meeting as there might be children watching

    What is the book's title, and who is the author?


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  • From Rebecca Marie@1:124/5016 to Aaron Thomas on Friday, September 09, 2022 16:06:00
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Jeff Thiele <=-

    This thread is about the leftist celebrities who endorsed Biden. They

    I dunno why you keep saying "leftist" like it is some type of putdown,
    there's a whole lot of us who are proud to be progressives.


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  • From Rebecca Marie@1:124/5016 to Aaron Thomas on Friday, September 09, 2022 16:25:00
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Jeff Thiele <=-

    Demolish was the wrong word, but he's transforming the country. What
    kind of president tells people to "expect less?" A president should

    The exact opposite type of president than one who would tell the country
    "this virus will be gone by easter. You'll see, spring will get here and
    it'll just disappear."


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  • From Rebecca Marie@1:124/5016 to Aaron Thomas on Friday, September 09, 2022 16:55:00
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Jeff Thiele <=-

    That's fine I guess but why so many celebrities all of a sudden? Why's
    it so important for them to win this election? They didn't care if
    Mccain or Romney were going to beat Obama; there was no mass-messaging like this for those elections. Celebrities weren't willing to lose fans

    Wow, that's some pretty fine selective memory there, Aaron. Are you certain
    you don't remember the "Change" rallies? Or the music video where a bunch
    of celebrities joined in to voice their support of Obama,

    "Scarlett Johansson, John Legend, Herbie Hancock, Kate Walsh, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Adam Rodriquez, Kelly Hu, Adam Rodriquez, Amber Valetta, Nick Cannon, will.i.am and Jesse Dylan."

    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=4231523&page=1


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  • From Rebecca Marie@1:124/5016 to Aaron Thomas on Friday, September 09, 2022 16:57:00
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Jeff Thiele <=-

    In a word, Trump.

    That doesn't make any sense. There was never any obvious indication
    that Trump would be harmful, at least not back in 2016.

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    <deep breath>

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to REBECCA MARIE on Saturday, September 10, 2022 10:10:00
    MIKE POWELL wrote to REBECCA MARIE <=-

    from all advertising in the Chinese market. As I look at your list, I suspect the ones that are truely cancelled (i.e. you cannot watch,
    find, or buy them anywere -- and I only see one!) happened not because

    It's disingenous to re-frame the crux of the debate in the middle of the debate. I.e. you can't say "oh, I mean stuff that is 'truly' canceled and cannot watch..."

    I did not re-frame it. I was pretty up front in my early discussion with
    Aaron and Jeff that things are not cancelled if they are still around and available.

    Jeff (and apparently you) was the one that believes otherwise... that
    things are cancelled just because certain people refuse to buy/patronize
    them any more. There are many things on your list that would not be of any interest to me, with or without the content you described. Does that mean
    I am cancelling them, too?

    above, become as difficult to obtain as a copy of "And to Think that I Saw it on Mulberry Street."

    That's because Dr. Seuss Enterprises decided to stop publishing "Mulberry Street" and five others. Their choice.

    After being protested/threatened by folks who believe that things that hurt their feelings should not be available to anyone. A much less mature
    reaction than, "I don't like that so *I* won't buy it."

    When these get removed these days, it is usually no longer because of the mention of the characters but because of the sexual content not being age appropriate.

    Well, you can keep telling yourself that if you'd like, doesn't mean "they have sexual content" isn't code for "we hate LGBTQ people".

    In some instances, it could be. In others, it is content that kids under a certain age should not be reading.

    He was prevented from doing so because he was told he could not read passage out of one such book available in their kid's school library. "pornography" during the meeting as there might be children watching

    What is the book's title, and who is the author?

    I don't remember now, but I posted about it here when it happened.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to REBECCA MARIE on Saturday, September 10, 2022 10:04:00
    That's fine I guess but why so many celebrities all of a sudden? Why's it so important for them to win this election? They didn't care if Mccain or Romney were going to beat Obama; there was no mass-messaging like this for those elections. Celebrities weren't willing to lose fans

    Wow, that's some pretty fine selective memory there, Aaron. Are you certain you don't remember the "Change" rallies? Or the music video where a bunch
    of celebrities joined in to voice their support of Obama,

    "Scarlett Johansson, John Legend, Herbie Hancock, Kate Walsh, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Adam Rodriquez, Kelly Hu, Adam Rodriquez, Amber Valetta, Nick Cannon, will.i.am and Jesse Dylan."

    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=4231523&page=1

    I would go as far as to say that celebrities were out in greater force in support of Obama than they were of Biden.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Rebecca Marie on Saturday, September 10, 2022 21:49:35
    This thread is about the leftist celebrities who endorsed Biden. They

    I dunno why you keep saying "leftist" like it is some type of putdown, there's a whole lot of us who are proud to be progressives.

    It's not intended as a putdown, it's just that the conspiracy goes beyond Democrats.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Rebecca Marie on Saturday, September 10, 2022 23:25:54
    That's fine I guess but why so many celebrities all of a sudden? Why' it so important for them to win this election? They didn't care if Mccain or Romney were going to beat Obama; there was no mass-messagin like this for those elections. Celebrities weren't willing to lose fa

    Wow, that's some pretty fine selective memory there, Aaron. Are you certain you don't remember the "Change" rallies? Or the music video
    where a bunch of celebrities joined in to voice their support of Obama,

    "Scarlett Johansson, John Legend, Herbie Hancock, Kate Walsh, Kareem
    Abdul Jabbar, Adam Rodriquez, Kelly Hu, Adam Rodriquez, Amber Valetta, Nick Cannon, will.i.am and Jesse Dylan."

    The anti-Trump effort was unprecedented; there has never been this much "need" to remove and defame a president." And now these money grabs are unprecedented too. Do you think that is a coincidence?

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Mike Powell on Monday, August 29, 2022 04:14:06
    Aaron wasn't talking about "one person;" he specifically referred to "so conservatives."

    But show me where he says that these "many conservatives" are trying to make it where you cannot also buy the music produced by the artist in question. As best as I can tell, they have stopped buying, but you still can, so the artist and their product is not cancelled.

    I wish I could organize a big enough boycott to piss them off. These famous leftists helped destroy my country. No good has come of their flamboyant support for scum like Biden, so why should their music still get played on American radio stations?

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, August 29, 2022 08:13:30
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Mike Powell <=-

    I wish I could organize a big enough boycott to piss them off. These famous leftists helped destroy my country.

    That's already happening, but it's fairly quiet and it's been going on for a while now. Many of the Elitist-infected media are already having money issues.

    I expect they will be going out in the next few years.

    No good has come of their
    flamboyant support for scum like Biden, so why should their music still get played on American radio stations?

    Who listens to radio anymore? For me, broadcast radio went into the trash literally decades ago. I have a cheap MP3 player hooked up in the car, so I only listen to the music I like, with no propaganda.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, August 29, 2022 07:31:34
    On 29 Aug 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    Aaron wasn't talking about "one person;" he specifically referred t conservatives."
    But show me where he says that these "many conservatives" are trying make it where you cannot also buy the music produced by the artist in question. As best as I can tell, they have stopped buying, but you s can, so the artist and their product is not cancelled.
    I wish I could organize a big enough boycott to piss them off. These famous leftists helped destroy my country. No good has come of their flamboyant support for scum like Biden, so why should their music still get played on American radio stations?

    They did not destroy your country. It was Trump who tried to subvert democracy by attempting a coup; not Biden, not Obama. I remember conservatives being
    very concerned that Obama was going to attempt to run for an illegal third
    term -- but when it came down to it those fears never materialized, not even remotely close. But when your guy tries to illegally retain power, it's apparently no big deal.

    How is it that breaking the law and ignoring the will of the people is a part of "your" country?

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Ron L. on Monday, August 29, 2022 07:35:17
    On 29 Aug 2022, Ron L. said the following...
    No good has come of their
    flamboyant support for scum like Biden, so why should their music sti get played on American radio stations?
    Who listens to radio anymore? For me, broadcast radio went into the
    trash literally decades ago. I have a cheap MP3 player hooked up in the car, so I only listen to the music I like, with no propaganda.

    Aaron doesn't listen to their music on the radio, but his wish that he could boycott certain artists into oblivion means that he doesn't want anyone else listening to them on the radio -- or presumably anywhere else. Aaron wants to control what music (and by extention, speech) is available to anyone and everyone.

    Jeff.

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  • From Rebecca Marie@1:124/5016 to Mike Powell on Tuesday, August 30, 2022 11:11:00
    Mike Powell wrote to JEFF THIELE <=-

    Not sure it covers "easily offended," but there is a difference between one person saying they are no longer going to listen to, buy, etc., something that offends them personally, and a group of persons banding together to presure companies to stop making or selling something that they find offensive and that they don't want available to others who
    are not offended.

    Hmmm... remember the Chicks being effectively canceled when they
    spoke out against GW Bush? We thought that was pretty bad, but that was
    nothing compared to some recent entertainment projects that were either canceled or attempted to be canceled:

    - Lightyear, because there was an LGBT couple.
    - Thor: Love & Thunder because of Valkyrie's bi-sexuality
    - The live-action remake of Beauty and the Beast, because there was a three
    second scene showing a display of same sex attraction
    - Another life, because of one of the characters is non-binary
    - The not-even-finished Little Meraid live-action remake, because Ariel will
    be played by an African-American actress
    - Captain Marvel, because of Brie Larsen
    - Numerous books in various school libraries across the bible belt because
    the books mention LGBTQ characters or families

    Most successful "cancel culture" movements these days are against
    things that non-conservatives find offensive *OR* they are against celebrity sex predators that everyone should find offensive.

    Mike, I've gotta disagree with you using examples of conservative attempts
    or successes in canceling things. The seven examples I used above were the
    first seven that popped into my head. With a little research, I can find
    many more.



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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Ron L. on Tuesday, August 30, 2022 03:01:33
    for a while now. Many of the Elitist-infected media are already having money issues.

    I expect they will be going out in the next few years.

    The media in this country is like official state media for the Democrats, and it would take an asteroid (or a major power outage) to shut them up.

    flamboyant support for scum like Biden, so why should their music sti get played on American radio stations?

    Who listens to radio anymore? For me, broadcast radio went into the
    trash literally decades ago. I have a cheap MP3 player hooked up in the car, so I only listen to the music I like, with no propaganda.

    Leftist music is all around us, not just on your stero. It's playing at the dentist's office, the break room at work, and in elevators. You can't escape it. Luckily for you, you won't let a catchy song influence how you vote, but other people will. That's why a-holes like Bon Jovi and John Cougar Mellencamp were telling everyone to "vote for Biden."

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Tuesday, August 30, 2022 03:29:18
    Aaron wasn't talking about "one person;" he specifically refer conservatives."
    But show me where he says that these "many conservatives" are tr make it where you cannot also buy the music produced by the arti question. As best as I can tell, they have stopped buying, but can, so the artist and their product is not cancelled.
    I wish I could organize a big enough boycott to piss them off. These famous leftists helped destroy my country. No good has come of their flamboyant support for scum like Biden, so why should their music sti get played on American radio stations?

    They did not destroy your country. It was Trump who tried to subvert democracy by attempting a coup; not Biden, not Obama. I remember conservatives being very concerned that Obama was going to attempt to
    run for an illegal third term -- but when it came down to it those fears never materialized, not even remotely close. But when your guy tries to illegally retain power, it's apparently no big deal.

    How is it that breaking the law and ignoring the will of the people is a part of "your" country?

    You're talking about an array of weird stuff there. Media monkeys like Cher & Madonna convinced masses of other idiots to vote for Biden, and now we're all suffering the consequences.

    Trump's attempt to assasinate 535 members of congress and the entire US military (and probably NATO forces too) was not planned very well. He failed bigtime. But I can't cry about that while Biden's playing fill er up during a deadly pandemic.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Tuesday, August 30, 2022 16:24:37
    I wish I could organize a big enough boycott to piss them off. T famous leftists helped destroy my country. No good has come of t flamboyant support for scum like Biden, so why should their musi get played on American radio stations?
    They did not destroy your country. It was Trump who tried to subvert democracy by attempting a coup; not Biden, not Obama. I remember conservatives being very concerned that Obama was going to attempt to run for an illegal third term -- but when it came down to it those fe never materialized, not even remotely close. But when your guy tries illegally retain power, it's apparently no big deal.
    How is it that breaking the law and ignoring the will of the people i part of "your" country?

    You're talking about an array of weird stuff there.

    I'm talking about the destruction of our country.

    Media monkeys like
    Cher & Madonna convinced masses of other idiots to vote for Biden, and
    now we're all suffering the consequences.

    And you think they should be silenced for this. I get it. That's not how our country works, though.

    Trump's attempt to assasinate 535 members of congress and the entire US military (and probably NATO forces too) was not planned very well. He failed bigtime. But I can't cry about that while Biden's playing fill er up during a deadly pandemic.

    I'm not sure what you're talking about with the military and NATO, but
    Trump did attempt a coup and is being investigated for it. He's also being investigated for tax fraud, theft of presidential records, and election interference. But those have investigations have nothing to do with Biden's legislative agenda, except that both can be considered newsworthy.

    It seems like you want the media to ignore any news about Trump and cast
    Biden only in a negative light. That's not news; that's propaganda.

    Jeff.

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Wednesday, August 31, 2022 08:40:18
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

    The media in this country is like official state media for the
    Democrats, and it would take an asteroid (or a major power outage) to
    shut them up.

    That's why I call them the Propaganda Ministry.

    But they still need to pay their employees, taxes, utilities, etc. They need money. If people don't watch, the amount they can charge for advertising goes down. They can try to spin off to a subscription-based system (remember CNN+?) but that's not working out well for them.

    I suppose that the rich Elitists can fund them, but that will only work for so long. Even those people can't afford to lose a million a month.

    Leftist music is all around us, not just on your stero. It's playing at the dentist's office, the break room at work, and in elevators. You
    can't escape it. Luckily for you, you won't let a catchy song influence how you vote, but other people will. That's why a-holes like Bon Jovi
    and John Cougar Mellencamp were telling everyone to "vote for Biden."

    I've never been someone who worships entertainers. So what a musician says about something non-music-related is pretty much irrelevant.

    But I get what you say. Too many people think that an expert in area 1 automatically means that he's an expert in area 2. How else can a linguist be hailed as a foreign policy expert? (That's Chomsky, for those who don't know.)


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Wednesday, August 31, 2022 17:15:00
    Leftist music is all around us, not just on your stero. It's playing at the dentist's office, the break room at work, and in elevators. You can't escape it. Luckily for you, you won't let a catchy song influence how you vote, but other people will. That's why a-holes like Bon Jovi and John Cougar Mellencamp
    were telling everyone to "vote for Biden."

    What kind of music do you like?

    I never really cared as much for Bon Jovi after "Runaway," but JCM is one
    of my jams. I don't like his politics, and don't like some of his songs,
    but most of them are pretty good and are what I grew up on.

    HG Wells was a socialist, but I still read his science fiction. I usually ignore his more political offerings or his review of the work of others (because it usually involves him not liking their "political message"
    because he thinks that the work is anti-socialist).

    I find I can enjoy an artist's work without following (or knowing) their political views. I do know there are others who want to know that stuff,
    and will follow/not follow an artist whose views do/don't align with theirs.


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  • From Rebecca Marie@1:124/5016 to Ron L. on Thursday, September 01, 2022 19:46:00
    Ron L. said to Aaron Thomas: <=-


    Who listens to radio anymore? For me, broadcast radio went into the
    trash literally decades ago. I have a cheap MP3 player hooked up in the car, so I only listen to the music I like, with no propaganda.

    Of course, because you can't handle anything challenging your view of the world.


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  • From MIKE POWELL@1:2320/105 to REBECCA MARIE on Thursday, September 01, 2022 16:33:00
    Back when Star Wars - The Force Awakens was filmed and released, at the
    request of the Chinese government, Disney removed co-star John Boyega from
    all advertising in the Chinese market. As I look at your list, I suspect
    the ones that are truely cancelled (i.e. you cannot watch, find, or buy
    them anywere -- and I only see one!) happened not because of "conservative Americans" but because they are Disney properties and they could not get
    them past the CCP.

    +-
    | - Lightyear, because there was an LGBT couple.

    Still available to rent or buy or stream. As for why it failed in the box office, most review sites I found say it was because of Disney+ and the
    ability to now wait only ~6 weeks to watch it at home. There may be some people who didn't see it because of the LGBT couple, but that doesn't seem
    to explain the poor box office showing. Also, Disney.

    | - Thor: Love & Thunder because of Valkyrie's bi-sexuality

    Still available.

    | - The live-action remake of Beauty and the Beast, because there was a three
    | second scene showing a display of same sex attraction

    Disney. I don't see where they have stopped this project.

    | - Another life, because of one of the characters is non-binary

    Never heard of it, so maybe you did get one right.

    | - The not-even-finished Little Meraid live-action remake, because Ariel will | be played by an African-American actress

    Disney. If a black co-star had to be removed from all Chinese advertising,
    a black star (who cannot so easily be removed) would never have flown for
    the CCP.

    | - Captain Marvel, because of Brie Larsen

    Not only is this movie available to rent and buy on Amazon, so are several collectable figures of Brie as Capt. Marvel, as well as several women's
    Captian Marvel costumes. Not very cancelled. It seemed to me like most negative noise made about Larsen as Marvel was from comic book lovers who couldn't stand one of their favorite characters being changed so much.

    As you seem to know your comic characters, I am having a difficult time assuming that "comic book lovers = conservatives."

    Circle back when female Captain Marvel, and any other finished projects
    above, become as difficult to obtain as a copy of "And to Think that I Saw
    it on Mulberry Street."

    | - Numerous books in various school libraries across the bible belt because
    | the books mention LGBTQ characters or families
    +-[RM=>MP]

    When these get removed these days, it is usually no longer because of the mention of the characters but because of the sexual content not being age appropriate.

    There was a school board meeting in NJ or NY (far outside the bible belt) within the past 6 weeks where a parent attempted to read a passage out of one such book available in their kid's school library. He was prevented from
    doing so because he was told he could not read "pornography" during the
    meeting as there might be children watching the live-feed over the Internet.

    So, it is ok for the "pornography" (the boardmember's words, not the
    parent) to be on the school book shelf for the kids to pick up and read,
    but not ok for a parent to read it to them over the live-feed.

    Last I heard, the book was not withdrawn. The political leanings of the
    parent who spoke at the meeting were also not obvious. You could assume "conservative" but my very-not-conservative sister and her husband would
    have problems with their kids obtaining "pornography" at their elementary
    or junior high libraries.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to REBECCA MARIE on Friday, September 02, 2022 15:48:00
    Who listens to radio anymore? For me, broadcast radio went into the trash literally decades ago. I have a cheap MP3 player hooked up in the car, so I only listen to the music I like, with no propaganda.

    Of course, because you can't handle anything challenging your view of the world.

    Or he cannot stand listening to all of the commercials, which would be my reason.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Friday, September 02, 2022 18:25:38
    On 02 Sep 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    Who listens to radio anymore? For me, broadcast radio went into the trash literally decades ago. I have a cheap MP3 player hooked up in car, so I only listen to the music I like, with no propaganda.
    Of course, because you can't handle anything challenging your view of th world.
    Or he cannot stand listening to all of the commercials, which would be my reason.

    Commercials are the most prolific of American pro-consumerism propaganda.

    Jeff.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Wednesday, August 31, 2022 02:24:13
    Cher & Madonna convinced masses of other idiots to vote for Biden, an now we're all suffering the consequences.

    And you think they should be silenced for this. I get it. That's not how our country works, though.

    They set us up for failure just to affirm their standing in the media.

    I'm not sure what you're talking about with the military and NATO, but Trump did attempt a coup and is being investigated for it. He's also

    You're a brainwashed leftist, so you're required by policy to say stuff like "Trump attempted a coup," but that's a generalized accusation. I'll laugh with you if Trump gets "the punishment he deserves."

    It seems like you want the media to ignore any news about Trump and cast Biden only in a negative light. That's not news; that's propaganda.

    This thread is about the leftist celebrities who endorsed Biden. They did it with bad intentions, because despite Biden's rampant demolition of America, most of these scum still double-down on their support for him (like Jimmy Kimmel.)

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Friday, September 02, 2022 23:18:44
    On 31 Aug 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    Cher & Madonna convinced masses of other idiots to vote for Bide now we're all suffering the consequences.
    And you think they should be silenced for this. I get it. That's not our country works, though.
    They set us up for failure just to affirm their standing in the media.

    They expressed their political opinions.

    I'm not sure what you're talking about with the military and NATO, bu Trump did attempt a coup and is being investigated for it. He's also
    You're a brainwashed leftist, so you're required by policy to say stuff like "Trump attempted a coup," but that's a generalized accusation. I'll laugh with you if Trump gets "the punishment he deserves."

    Trump attempted to retain power despite having lost the 2020 election. The evidence is overwhelming.

    It seems like you want the media to ignore any news about Trump and c Biden only in a negative light. That's not news; that's propaganda.
    This thread is about the leftist celebrities who endorsed Biden. They
    did it with bad intentions, because despite Biden's rampant demolition
    of America, most of these scum still double-down on their support for
    him (like Jimmy Kimmel.)

    Anyone who wishes to endorse Biden is free to do so, as is anyone who wishes
    to endorse Biden's political opponents. Biden is not seeking to "demolish" America. The Trump administration, which would hve continued had not Biden
    won the election, is turning out to have been one of the most corrupt and anti-American in US history.

    Jeff.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Ron L. on Saturday, September 03, 2022 04:26:20
    I've never been someone who worships entertainers. So what a musician says about something non-music-related is pretty much irrelevant.

    I wish other people would see it that way but I don't think they do.

    But I get what you say. Too many people think that an expert in area 1 automatically means that he's an expert in area 2. How else can a linguist be hailed as a foreign policy expert? (That's Chomsky, for
    those who don't know.)

    It's definitely a common human behavior for people to look up to people who
    are experts in their fields, and I think it's also common for people to assume that these experts are experts at everything. My kid's doctor is a great doctor, and when he told me which neighborhood he lives in, it made me want to live in that neighborhood too.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Mike Powell on Saturday, September 03, 2022 04:55:25
    What kind of music do you like?

    I'm a jazz guy, but I grew up listening to rock & metal. I liked Bon Jovi a lot in the 80s (I was a kid) and I wanted to be just like him.... Not anymore!

    I never really cared as much for Bon Jovi after "Runaway," but JCM is one of my jams. I don't like his politics, and don't like some of his songs, but most of them are pretty good and are what I grew up on.

    I don't want to boycott people for being Democrat supporters, but I want to target the ones who abused their fame to cultivate Biden votes. It can't be a coincidence that this old cracker had endless celebrity endorsements, and now he's wrecking the country; they KNEW he was gonna do some of this stuff! And they should be punished for that.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Saturday, September 03, 2022 16:02:32
    They set us up for failure just to affirm their standing in the media

    They expressed their political opinions.

    Look at what resulted. That was no accident.

    wishes to endorse Biden's political opponents. Biden is not seeking to "demolish" America. The Trump administration, which would hve continued

    Demolish was the wrong word, but he's transforming the country. What kind of president tells people to "expect less?" A president should tell people to "expect more!"

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Saturday, September 03, 2022 11:43:52
    On 03 Sep 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    They set us up for failure just to affirm their standing in the
    They expressed their political opinions.
    Look at what resulted. That was no accident.

    I agree with you there, but was it wrong? Do they not have the right to
    endorse a candidate?

    Their clout is an item of value that they hold, just like the money that conservative billionaire's have is an item of value that they hold. If billionaires can give huge amounts of money, why can't celebrities give
    clout (and I suspect lots of money, too). And yet I don't see you questioning the political acumen of conservative billionaire donors. Why is that? Could
    it be that they tend to be conservative while celebrities tend to be liberal?

    wishes to endorse Biden's political opponents. Biden is not seeking t "demolish" America. The Trump administration, which would hve continu
    Demolish was the wrong word, but he's transforming the country. What
    kind of president tells people to "expect less?" A president should tell people to "expect more!"

    A realist who isn't out to tell people only what they want to hear. During
    WWII there were food rations, and sacrifices had to be made. Was that
    president telling people to "expect more!" or was he explaining the need to "expect less."

    Jeff.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Jeff Thiele on Saturday, September 03, 2022 23:06:20
    Hello Jeff,

    [..]

    Demolish was the wrong word, but he's transforming the country. What
    kind of president tells people to "expect less?" A president should
    tell people to "expect more!"

    A realist who isn't out to tell people only what they want to hear. During WWII there were food rations, and sacrifices had to be made. Was that president telling people to "expect more!" or was he explaining the need to
    "expect less."

    After the events of 9/11, President George W. Bush went to NYC
    and stood between two firemen, looked into the cameras, and told
    the entire nation to "hug your children" and to "go shopping."

    I didn't know whether to laugh, or to cry. Here was the President
    of the United States, with the entire world watching, acting like
    a wimp from some cartoon.

    Osama bin Laden must have laughing his head off at some cave in
    Afghanistan (or wherever he was staying at the time).

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Saturday, September 03, 2022 23:06:26
    Hello Aaron,

    They set us up for failure just to affirm their standing in the AT>media

    They expressed their political opinions.

    Look at what resulted. That was no accident.

    81 million Americans voted for Joe Biden in 2020.
    That is 7 million more Americans than who voted for Donald Trump.
    Talk about a whooping. An incumbent president being a two-time
    loser (Trump lost by 3 million votes to a woman, Hillary Clinton).

    wishes to endorse Biden's political opponents. Biden is not seeking to
    "demolish" America. The Trump administration, which would hve continued

    Demolish was the wrong word, but he's transforming the country. What kind of
    president tells people to "expect less?" A president should tell people to "expect more!"

    What are you complaining about? A booming economy, plentiful jobs,
    better pay, student loan forgiveness, what is there not to like?

    Those who benefit the most from the system should pay more.
    Wouldn't you agree? Therefore, tax the shit out of those who
    make over $400K per year. Everybody else gets a free ride.

    Howzzat?

    My economic program should be adopted and implemented ASAP.
    And then all of us can live on Easy Street, counting our blessings.

    See how smart I am?

    You can thank me later.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Saturday, September 03, 2022 20:51:40
    Look at what resulted. That was no accident.

    I agree with you there, but was it wrong? Do they not have the right to endorse a candidate?

    That's fine I guess but why so many celebrities all of a sudden? Why's it so important for them to win this election? They didn't care if Mccain or Romney were going to beat Obama; there was no mass-messaging like this for those elections. Celebrities weren't willing to lose fans for getting political back then, but in 2016 they all marched together to trash Trump. Hmmm, maybe they KNEW somehow that Trump would later be colluding with Russia, talking trash about veterans, doing a coup attempt, and stealing documents. They KNEW that ahead of time somehow that he would do all these terrible things. (Yea right)

    clout (and I suspect lots of money, too). And yet I don't see you questioning the political acumen of conservative billionaire donors. Why is that? Could it be that they tend to be conservative while celebrities tend to be liberal?

    (What I said answers all this I hope.)

    A realist who isn't out to tell people only what they want to hear.
    During WWII there were food rations, and sacrifices had to be made. Was that president telling people to "expect more!" or was he explaining the need to "expect less."

    If Democrats weren't wasting so much money, then they could tell us to "expect more." More is what Democrats are getting, and less is what the American
    people are getting. At least he was honest about something.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Saturday, September 03, 2022 17:20:01
    On 03 Sep 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    Look at what resulted. That was no accident.
    I agree with you there, but was it wrong? Do they not have the right endorse a candidate?
    That's fine I guess but why so many celebrities all of a sudden? Why's
    it so important for them to win this election?

    In a word, Trump.

    They didn't care if
    Mccain or Romney were going to beat Obama; there was no mass-messaging like this for those elections.

    So what changed? What's your guess?

    Celebrities weren't willing to lose fans
    for getting political back then, but in 2016 they all marched together
    to trash Trump.

    They felt more strongly about Trump than previous candidates.

    to trash Trump. Hmmm, maybe they KNEW somehow that Trump would later be colluding with Russia, talking trash about veterans, doing a coup
    attempt, and stealing documents. They KNEW that ahead of time somehow
    that he would do all these terrible things. (Yea right)

    Trump is Trump. It's impossible to know the specifics in advance, but not the tone.

    clout (and I suspect lots of money, too). And yet I don't see you questioning the political acumen of conservative billionaire donors. is that? Could it be that they tend to be conservative while celebrit tend to be liberal?
    (What I said answers all this I hope.)

    No, it doesn't. Why are you opposed to celebrities using their clout to
    endorse political candidates?

    A realist who isn't out to tell people only what they want to hear. During WWII there were food rations, and sacrifices had to be made. W that president telling people to "expect more!" or was he explaining need to "expect less."
    If Democrats weren't wasting so much money, then they could tell us to "expect more." More is what Democrats are getting, and less is what the American people are getting. At least he was honest about something.

    Democrats are not "wasting so much money." They are investing in our country, something Republicans seem to be unwilling to do.

    Jeff.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Lee Lofaso on Saturday, September 03, 2022 21:38:51
    They set us up for failure just to affirm their standing in the AT>

    They expressed their political opinions.

    Look at what resulted. That was no accident.

    81 million Americans voted for Joe Biden in 2020.
    That is 7 million more Americans than who voted for Donald Trump.
    Talk about a whooping. An incumbent president being a two-time
    loser (Trump lost by 3 million votes to a woman, Hillary Clinton).

    Right, what you're saying here actually backs up what I'm saying.

    Those who benefit the most from the system should pay more.
    Wouldn't you agree? Therefore, tax the shit out of those who
    make over $400K per year. Everybody else gets a free ride.

    No! Because not everyone who makes $400k per year is milking the system.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Sunday, September 04, 2022 10:42:00
    What kind of music do you like?

    I'm a jazz guy, but I grew up listening to rock & metal. I liked Bon Jovi a lo
    in the 80s (I was a kid) and I wanted to be just like him.... Not anymore!

    I also enjoy jazz, and even the big band music from before that era.

    I never really cared as much for Bon Jovi after "Runaway," but JCM is one
    of my jams. I don't like his politics, and don't like some of his songs,
    but most of them are pretty good and are what I grew up on.

    I don't want to boycott people for being Democrat supporters, but I want to target the ones who abused their fame to cultivate Biden votes. It can't be a coincidence that this old cracker had endless celebrity endorsements, and now he's wrecking the country; they KNEW he was gonna do some of this stuff! And they should be punished for that.

    I somewhat understand what you mean. There are some celebs whose work I
    like despite their political bent. The ones that stomp their feet before
    every election and threaten their fans with leaving the country or retiring if (Republican) gets elected, and who never follow through on such promises,
    they are in a different boat. Thing is, I am not sure that there have been many celebs that I liked beforehand who have turned around and done that.
    Most of them are ones whose work I did not like to begin with. I actually cannot name one offhand that I did like.

    Others liked them, though, and I am sure that some of them are small minded enough that the threat was a concern to them. However, I also would find
    it easy to believe that most of those folks were not going to vote for the Republican in question anyway.

    While there are some celebs that are committed to their beliefs no matter
    what anyone else thinks, most of them are bandwagoners who share their "beliefs" publically to be part of what they think of as the "in crowd."


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Sunday, September 04, 2022 03:02:26
    That's fine I guess but why so many celebrities all of a sudden? Why' it so important for them to win this election?

    In a word, Trump.

    That doesn't make any sense. There was never any obvious indication that Trump would be harmful, at least not back in 2016.

    They didn't care if
    Mccain or Romney were going to beat Obama; there was no mass-messagin like this for those elections.

    So what changed? What's your guess?

    What do you mean?

    Celebrities weren't willing to lose fans
    for getting political back then, but in 2016 they all marched togethe to trash Trump.

    They felt more strongly about Trump than previous candidates.

    Yea, for sure, but that doesn't explain why.

    No, it doesn't. Why are you opposed to celebrities using their clout to endorse political candidates?

    Because they did it collectively and abruptly, and they never acted that way before. And they did it to hurt a candidate who had nothing personal to gain from becoming president. Where were they in 2012? Nobody had anything bad to say about Romney.

    Democrats are not "wasting so much money." They are investing in our country, something Republicans seem to be unwilling to do.

    The money is being squandered, and voters are being lied to. I know we had
    this conversation before, but look at what whitehouse.gov says about the previous money grab:

    "These game-changing investments will put American plumbers and pipefitters to work replacing all of the Americas lead pipes and service lines and making other critical upgrades."

    Notice the word "all" in there? But not "all" the lead pipes got replaced, and not "all" of them ever will be. But whitehouse.gov *insists* otherwise:

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2021/12/16/fact-sh et-the-biden-harris-lead-pipe-and-paint-action-plan/

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Sunday, September 04, 2022 14:07:34
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

    I've never been someone who worships entertainers. So what a musician says about something non-music-related is pretty much irrelevant.

    I wish other people would see it that way but I don't think they do.

    I think that most people see it that way, but the population that looks up to an entertainer has grown in the last couple of decades.

    It goes back to the destruction of our society - especially our education system.

    It's definitely a common human behavior for people to look up to people who are experts in their fields,

    Yes, but I think it's normal to ignore the opinions of a doctor, for example, when you need to know how to install a tub drain.

    and I think it's also common for
    people to assume that these experts are experts at everything.

    This, I think, is something that is learned and I'll take another dig at our failed education system for it.

    My kid's
    doctor is a great doctor, and when he told me which neighborhood he
    lives in, it made me want to live in that neighborhood too.

    But did you want to live in that neighborhood because of what the doctor said, or because that person is a doctor?


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Sunday, September 04, 2022 14:41:26
    On 04 Sep 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    That's fine I guess but why so many celebrities all of a sudden? it so important for them to win this election?
    In a word, Trump.
    That doesn't make any sense. There was never any obvious indication that Trump would be harmful, at least not back in 2016.

    Dude, Trump was telling anyone who would listen what he'd do as president.

    They didn't care if
    Mccain or Romney were going to beat Obama; there was no mass-mes like this for those elections.
    So what changed? What's your guess?
    What do you mean?

    I mean, you obviously think that you see a change in the way that celebrities have reacted to Republican presidential candidates over time; what do you
    think is driving that change?

    Celebrities weren't willing to lose fans
    for getting political back then, but in 2016 they all marched to to trash Trump.
    They felt more strongly about Trump than previous candidates.
    Yea, for sure, but that doesn't explain why.

    Sure it does.

    No, it doesn't. Why are you opposed to celebrities using their clout endorse political candidates?
    Because they did it collectively and abruptly, and they never acted that way before. And they did it to hurt a candidate who had nothing personal to gain from becoming president. Where were they in 2012? Nobody had anything bad to say about Romney.

    And that is wrong how? For whatever reason they reacted more strongly toward Trump. What exactly should prohibit them from using their clout to endorse a political candidate?

    Democrats are not "wasting so much money." They are investing in our country, something Republicans seem to be unwilling to do.
    The money is being squandered, and voters are being lied to. I know we
    had this conversation before, but look at what whitehouse.gov says about the previous money grab:
    "These game-changing investments will put American plumbers and pipefitters to work replacing all of the Americas lead pipes and service lines and making other critical upgrades."
    Notice the word "all" in there? But not "all" the lead pipes got
    replaced, and not "all" of them ever will be. But whitehouse.gov
    *insists* otherwise: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2021/12/16/fa et-the-biden-harris-lead-pipe-and-paint-action-plan/

    From that same webpage:
    "The City of Buffalo, NY has budgeted $10 million for an expansion of the City’s ROLL program so that at least an additional 1,000 homes can have
    their lead water service lines replaced. The City has already successfully replaced the lines in 500 homes and this expanded capacity will more than double its impact."

    Perhaps you should ask your city why they have not availed themselves of some of these grants, and if they have, what's the holdup?

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Sunday, September 04, 2022 15:35:26
    On 04 Sep 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    What kind of music do you like?
    I'm a jazz guy, but I grew up listening to rock & metal. I liked Bon Jov lo
    in the 80s (I was a kid) and I wanted to be just like him.... Not anymor
    I also enjoy jazz, and even the big band music from before that era.

    We're going to see Robert Plant and Alison Krauss tonight. Well, hear them, anyway. We're still a little COVID-shy (we haven't been infected yet), so
    we're going to be sitting on the lawn above the amphitheater where space is plentiful.

    I don't want to boycott people for being Democrat supporters, but I want target the ones who abused their fame to cultivate Biden votes. It can't coincidence that this old cracker had endless celebrity endorsements, an he's wrecking the country; they KNEW he was gonna do some of this stuff! they should be punished for that.
    I somewhat understand what you mean. There are some celebs whose work I like despite their political bent. The ones that stomp their feet before every election and threaten their fans with leaving the country or retiring if (Republican) gets elected, and who never follow through on such promises, they are in a different boat. Thing is, I am not sure
    that there have been many celebs that I liked beforehand who have turned around and done that. Most of them are ones whose work I did not like to begin with. I actually cannot name one offhand that I did like.

    And then there are politically outspoken conservative celebrities you may remember, such as Roseanne Barr, Jon Voight, Kid Rock, Ted Nugent, Phil and Willie Robinson, Stephen Baldwin, 50 Cent, Jesse James, Mike Ditka, Scott
    Baio, Kirstie Alley, James Woods, Dennis Quaid, Herschel Walker, Dr. Oz, "Diamond and Silk," Trace Adkins, Isaiah Washington, Elizabeth Hasselbeck,
    Jack Nicklaus, Lil Wayne, Brett Favre, and more.

    Others liked them, though, and I am sure that some of them are small minded enough that the threat was a concern to them. However, I also would find it easy to believe that most of those folks were not going to vote for the Republican in question anyway.

    The Republican party has no shortage of small-minded, bigoted, ignorant,
    and/or uneducated voters. I don't think there's much room to throw stones there.

    While there are some celebs that are committed to their beliefs no matter what anyone else thinks, most of them are bandwagoners who share their "beliefs" publically to be part of what they think of as the "in crowd."

    Perhaps, perhaps not. Do you think that any of the people in the list above
    are just trying to be part of the "in" crowd?

    Jeff.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Mike Powell on Sunday, September 04, 2022 16:38:39
    While there are some celebs that are committed to their beliefs no matter what anyone else thinks, most of them are bandwagoners who share their "beliefs" publically to be part of what they think of as the "in crowd."

    That's what I've suspected all this time also, that they were just trying to suck up to that "in crowd" by making it loud and clear that they are against Trump. But now I suspect that there's more to it than that.

    Did you ever see such a high volume of celebrities speaking out against a political candidate before? I've seen them do it a little before, but never at this frequency.

    Maybe some money from the Bipartisan Infrastructure Act (cash grab part 1) and/or from the Build Back Better Act (cash grab part 2) is trickling down to the celebrities' pockets. They can't be doing all this for nothing.

    Bon Jovi is rich, but he's not 100 billion dollars rich.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Sunday, September 04, 2022 23:09:57
    On 04 Sep 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    While there are some celebs that are committed to their beliefs no ma what anyone else thinks, most of them are bandwagoners who share thei "beliefs" publically to be part of what they think of as the "in crow
    That's what I've suspected all this time also, that they were just
    trying to suck up to that "in crowd" by making it loud and clear that
    they are against Trump. But now I suspect that there's more to it than that.

    So close, and yet so far.

    Did you ever see such a high volume of celebrities speaking out against a political candidate before? I've seen them do it a little before, but never at this frequency.

    Perhaps your candidate is not nearly as popular as you think. Perhaps your candidate is spectacularly *un*popular.

    Maybe some money from the Bipartisan Infrastructure Act (cash grab part
    1) and/or from the Build Back Better Act (cash grab part 2) is trickling down to the celebrities' pockets.

    Do you have evidence of this, or are you just throwing out wild accusations?

    They can't be doing all this for
    nothing.

    Doing something for nothing seems to be a totally foreign concept to you and some others here. Pre-COVID, I played bass in a band that would perform for free at local festivals and the like. We all had day jobs and had no
    illusions of ever making it big; we just enjoyed playing music for people to listen to. There are other community music and theatrical groups which do the same. Not everyone is motivated by wealth or other quid-pro-quo arrangements.

    Bon Jovi is rich, but he's not 100 billion dollars rich.

    Bon Jovi has money, sure, but the Jon Bon Jovi Soul Foundation also runs the JBJ Soul Kitchen restaurants, which are community restaurants that operate on donations only. Inability to pay does not keep anyone from dining with the
    same dignity and respect as paying customers. Is there any real question as
    to why Trump might rub Bon Jovi the wrong way?

    Jeff.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Monday, September 05, 2022 10:22:00
    like despite their political bent. The ones that stomp their feet before
    every election and threaten their fans with leaving the country or retiring if (Republican) gets elected, and who never follow through on such promises, they are in a different boat. Thing is, I am not sure that there have been many celebs that I liked beforehand who have turned around and done that. Most of them are ones whose work I did not like to begin with. I actually cannot name one offhand that I did like.

    And then there are politically outspoken conservative celebrities you may remember, such as Roseanne Barr, Jon Voight, Kid Rock, Ted Nugent, Phil and Willie Robinson, Stephen Baldwin, 50 Cent, Jesse James, Mike Ditka, Scott Baio, Kirstie Alley, James Woods, Dennis Quaid, Herschel Walker, Dr. Oz, "Diamond and Silk," Trace Adkins, Isaiah Washington, Elizabeth Hasselbeck, Jack Nicklaus, Lil Wayne, Brett Favre, and more.

    Did any of them threaten to leave the country, or retire from performing,
    if Obama or Biden got elected, and also not follow through? I was specific about that above. Out of the ones I have heard of on your list, and
    actuallly like, I don't remember any of them doing that. The others I have either never heard of or don't follow enough to know (or care) if they did
    or not.

    Others liked them, though, and I am sure that some of them are small minded enough that the threat was a concern to them. However, I also would find it easy to believe that most of those folks were not going to vote for the Republican in question anyway.

    The Republican party has no shortage of small-minded, bigoted, ignorant, and/or uneducated voters. I don't think there's much room to throw stones there.

    Again, on the topic of celebs who just about every election threaten to
    leave the country or retire, and people who follow them, I think there is plenty of room to do so.

    While there are some celebs that are committed to their beliefs no matter
    what anyone else thinks, most of them are bandwagoners who share their "beliefs" publically to be part of what they think of as the "in crowd."

    Perhaps, perhaps not. Do you think that any of the people in the list above are just trying to be part of the "in" crowd?

    Of the ones I recognize, they all would fall into the first half of that statement.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Monday, September 05, 2022 10:28:00
    They didn't care if
    Mccain or Romney were going to beat Obama; there was no mass-messagi
    like this for those elections.

    So what changed? What's your guess?

    What do you mean?

    Social media is what changed.

    "These game-changing investments will put American plumbers and pipefitters to
    work replacing all of the Americas lead pipes and service lines and making other critical upgrades."

    Notice the word "all" in there? But not "all" the lead pipes got replaced, and
    not "all" of them ever will be. But whitehouse.gov *insists* otherwise:

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2021/12/16/fact-s
    et-the-biden-harris-lead-pipe-and-paint-action-plan/

    Are your lead pipes on your property, or are they part of the
    infrastructure that feeds water to your water district as a whole? If they
    are on your property, I can guarantee those were not covered and will only
    ever get replaced if you pay for them.

    If they are part of the infrastructure, then that statememt above would
    lead me to believe that they should have been replaced. Do you know if
    your water district applied for the funds?


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Ron L. on Monday, September 05, 2022 00:34:44
    My kid's
    doctor is a great doctor, and when he told me which neighborhood he lives in, it made me want to live in that neighborhood too.

    But did you want to live in that neighborhood because of what the doctor said, or because that person is a doctor?

    I wanted to live there because he's a doctor, and I know other health professionals who live there too. I'm under the impression that it's a town with pretty good people living in it.

    But despite me almost agreeing with the DR his town (Vestal) is the best town in the area to live in, other factors drove me away from moving there (lower prices in Binghamton.)

    For the leftists' puppets, however, they are not dealing with "other factors." They're just being told, by their favorite celebrities, to mark the bubble for the money-grabbin Democrat, and there's nothing that's going to cause deviation from those instructions either, because the media's got them under control
    very well. They can only make non-sensical excuses for voting Democrat. "Trump was a racist" or "Chuck Schumer's colludin with Russia."

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Monday, September 05, 2022 01:13:50
    That doesn't make any sense. There was never any obvious indication t Trump would be harmful, at least not back in 2016.

    Dude, Trump was telling anyone who would listen what he'd do as
    president.

    Right, but he didn't do anything to harm the American people. He just wasn't the solution to a desire for hundreds of billions of dollars.

    I mean, you obviously think that you see a change in the way that celebrities have reacted to Republican presidential candidates over
    time; what do you think is driving that change?

    I suspect that they get their greasy fingers on some of the hundreds of billions of dollars that Democrats are squandering from the taxpayers.

    to gain from becoming president. Where were they in 2012? Nobody had anything bad to say about Romney.

    And that is wrong how? For whatever reason they reacted more strongly toward Trump. What exactly should prohibit them from using their clout
    to endorse a political candidate?

    Because what is the BFD about Trump? How's he so harmful to the health and well-being of celebrities?

    Perhaps you should ask your city why they have not availed themselves of some of these grants, and if they have, what's the holdup?

    No, I should ask the president and my US district rep. They said "all," and they signed off on it, and they got the funds, and then instead of getting the pipes replaced, we got Money Grab 2.0

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Rebecca Marie on Thursday, September 15, 2022 13:17:32
    The anti-Trump effort was unprecedented; there has never been this mu "need" to remove and defame a president." And now these money grabs a unprecedented too. Do you think that is a coincidence?

    I don't accept pretty much anything you said there:

    1) I think that the anti-Obama effort was much worse, do you not remember the subtly racist remarks about President Obama's birth place and suggestions that he was Muslim? Obama was attacked mercilessly for things that were patently not true.

    That comparison is flawed. Trump attacked Obama, yes, but nobody else did.

    2) I don't think that Trump has been defamed. History will tell, but
    there does seem to be evidence for many of the charges against Trump.

    What about all the unofficial charges? Like the one about him calling dead soldiers "cowards?" Or that "Trump refused to rent to blacks?" How about the one about "The president had a bad day today, and Melania appears to now have
    a black eye?"

    Maybe it doesn't meet the legal critera for "defamation," but it's totally defamation.

    3) The need to remove a president has never been stronger than for
    Richard Nixon. He set the bar.

    I wasn't around in those days. Was the media giving it their all? Did Johnny Carson make Nixon jokes nightly for several straight years?

    4) I do not see any money grabs.

    So you're feeling good about Biden's investments? I'm glad! But what is there to feel good about? Have you seen a return on this investment in any way yet?

    Does it seem like it's the right time to start spending millions on
    influencing Pakistani culture? Or how about billions to the same central American countries that send their people backpacking to the USA because of "problems back home?"

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Sunday, September 18, 2022 02:12:38
    On 15 Sep 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    The anti-Trump effort was unprecedented; there has never been th "need" to remove and defame a president." And now these money gr unprecedented too. Do you think that is a coincidence?
    I don't accept pretty much anything you said there:
    1) I think that the anti-Obama effort was much worse, do you not reme the subtly racist remarks about President Obama's birth place and suggestions that he was Muslim? Obama was attacked mercilessly for th that were patently not true.
    That comparison is flawed. Trump attacked Obama, yes, but nobody else
    did.

    Are you perhaps forgetting Rush Limbaugh and "Barack the Magic Negro?"

    Jeff.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Sunday, September 18, 2022 13:48:11
    That comparison is flawed. Trump attacked Obama, yes, but nobody else did.

    Are you perhaps forgetting Rush Limbaugh and "Barack the Magic Negro?"

    Nobody except for Rush Limbaugh.

    Did you wrongly think that a few negative comments from Rush Limbaugh were going to influence an election?

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Tuesday, September 20, 2022 07:19:58
    On 18 Sep 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    That comparison is flawed. Trump attacked Obama, yes, but nobody did.
    Are you perhaps forgetting Rush Limbaugh and "Barack the Magic Negro?
    Nobody except for Rush Limbaugh.

    Nice of you to carve out an exception, but there were many more attacks than just that.

    Did you wrongly think that a few negative comments from Rush Limbaugh
    were going to influence an election?

    "A few" negative comments, misinformation, and audience reach could have had some influence, yes. Perhaps not enough to turn the election itself, but to change the margin of victory, certainly.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Monday, September 05, 2022 23:02:24
    On 05 Sep 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    And then there are politically outspoken conservative celebrities you ma remember, such as Roseanne Barr, Jon Voight, Kid Rock, Ted Nugent, Phil Willie Robinson, Stephen Baldwin, 50 Cent, Jesse James, Mike Ditka, Scot Baio, Kirstie Alley, James Woods, Dennis Quaid, Herschel Walker, Dr. Oz, "Diamond and Silk," Trace Adkins, Isaiah Washington, Elizabeth Hasselbec Jack Nicklaus, Lil Wayne, Brett Favre, and more.
    Did any of them threaten to leave the country, or retire from performing, if Obama or Biden got elected, and also not follow through? I was specific about that above. Out of the ones I have heard of on your
    list, and actuallly like, I don't remember any of them doing that. The others I have either never heard of or don't follow enough to know (or care) if they did or not.

    They supported Trump, which is enough to refute Aaron's nonsense.

    Others liked them, though, and I am sure that some of them are smal minded enough that the threat was a concern to them. However, I al would find it easy to believe that most of those folks were not goi vote for the Republican in question anyway.
    The Republican party has no shortage of small-minded, bigoted, ignorant, and/or uneducated voters. I don't think there's much room to throw stone there.
    Again, on the topic of celebs who just about every election threaten to leave the country or retire, and people who follow them, I think there is plenty of room to do so.

    The conversation is not about either, but about celebrities who publicly endorse political candidates, and whether they should be allowed to do so.

    While there are some celebs that are committed to their beliefs no matter
    what anyone else thinks, most of them are bandwagoners who share th "beliefs" publically to be part of what they think of as the "in cr
    Perhaps, perhaps not. Do you think that any of the people in the list ab are just trying to be part of the "in" crowd?
    Of the ones I recognize, they all would fall into the first half of that statement.

    So there's a double-standard, eh? Conservative celebrities are expressing
    their beliefs, but liberal celebrities are milking their audience?
    Interesting perspective, but I don't agree.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, September 05, 2022 23:12:05
    On 05 Sep 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    That doesn't make any sense. There was never any obvious indicat Trump would be harmful, at least not back in 2016.
    Dude, Trump was telling anyone who would listen what he'd do as president.
    Right, but he didn't do anything to harm the American people. He just wasn't the solution to a desire for hundreds of billions of dollars.

    Trump supported the removal of the rights of millions of Americans.

    I mean, you obviously think that you see a change in the way that celebrities have reacted to Republican presidential candidates over time; what do you think is driving that change?
    I suspect that they get their greasy fingers on some of the hundreds of billions of dollars that Democrats are squandering from the taxpayers.

    It couldn't possibly be a conviction of some sort or another? A desire for a better country in terms of the way we treat the least among us?

    to gain from becoming president. Where were they in 2012? Nobody anything bad to say about Romney.
    And that is wrong how? For whatever reason they reacted more strongly toward Trump. What exactly should prohibit them from using their clou to endorse a political candidate?
    Because what is the BFD about Trump? How's he so harmful to the health
    and well-being of celebrities?

    He is harmful to the health and well-being of our country. Do you seriously think that all celebrities think only of themselves?

    Perhaps you should ask your city why they have not availed themselves some of these grants, and if they have, what's the holdup?
    No, I should ask the president and my US district rep. They said "all," and they signed off on it, and they got the funds, and then instead of getting the pipes replaced, we got Money Grab 2.0

    Grants need to be applied for. Ask your local government why you still have lead pipes despite national funding to replace them. Unless, of course, the lead pipes are on your property, in which case, why are you expecting the national government to upgrade your private property?

    Jeff.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Mike Powell on Tuesday, September 06, 2022 02:17:06
    Are your lead pipes on your property, or are they part of the infrastructure that feeds water to your water district as a whole? If they are on your property, I can guarantee those were not covered and
    will only ever get replaced if you pay for them.

    It's my city's piping system that has lead pipes. The county health dept makes it clear that we need to run our water for 60 seconds before drinking it.

    If they are part of the infrastructure, then that statememt above would lead me to believe that they should have been replaced. Do you know if your water district applied for the funds?

    I don't know, but either way, it's a scam. There's no way to justify certain cities remaining with lead in their drinking water, after reading what they
    say on the whitehouse website.

    Every parent in Binghamton knows that we've got lead in our drinking water. If any of these parents know about the Bipartisan Infrastructure Act, then the truth about Democrats should be 100% crystal clear for them at this point.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Tuesday, September 06, 2022 02:26:50
    Did you ever see such a high volume of celebrities speaking out again political candidate before? I've seen them do it a little before, but never at this frequency.

    Perhaps your candidate is not nearly as popular as you think. Perhaps
    your candidate is spectacularly *un*popular.

    That would explain it, but no, Trump had nearly 1/2 of the country voting for him in his re-election (maybe even slightly more than 1/2!) Why aren't the celebrities more evenly divided, like the normal people? There's something about Trump that threatens their livlihood, but I haven't pinpointed it yet.

    Maybe some money from the Bipartisan Infrastructure Act (cash grab pa 1) and/or from the Build Back Better Act (cash grab part 2) is trickl down to the celebrities' pockets.

    Do you have evidence of this, or are you just throwing out wild accusations?

    I'm not taking them to civil court, but I'm taking them to moral court.

    theatrical groups which do the same. Not everyone is motivated by wealth or other quid-pro-quo arrangements.

    It's good to think positively like that. Maybe Bon Jovi had no clue that he'd be helping to ruin the country when he spoke those magic words about "vote for Biden."

    Bon Jovi has money, sure, but the Jon Bon Jovi Soul Foundation also runs the JBJ Soul Kitchen restaurants, which are community restaurants that operate on donations only. Inability to pay does not keep anyone from dining with the same dignity and respect as paying customers. Is there
    any real question as to why Trump might rub Bon Jovi the wrong way?

    I didn't hear Bon Jovi complaining about Trump. Was he? I won't listen to him anymore anyway.

    Bon Jovi's probably intimidated by Trump because Trump actually helps people instead of just having them suck on his nipple.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Tuesday, September 06, 2022 07:24:05
    On 06 Sep 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    Did you ever see such a high volume of celebrities speaking out political candidate before? I've seen them do it a little before never at this frequency.
    Perhaps your candidate is not nearly as popular as you think. Perhaps your candidate is spectacularly *un*popular.
    That would explain it, but no, Trump had nearly 1/2 of the country
    voting for him in his re-election (maybe even slightly more than 1/2!)

    Biden won by ~7 million votes.

    Why aren't the celebrities more evenly divided, like the normal people?

    The "normal" people aren't as evenly divided as you might think.

    There's something about Trump that threatens their livlihood, but I haven't pinpointed it yet.

    You assume it's about personal wealth and money, but that's not necessarily
    the case. There are other possibilities.

    Maybe some money from the Bipartisan Infrastructure Act (cash gr 1) and/or from the Build Back Better Act (cash grab part 2) is t down to the celebrities' pockets.
    Do you have evidence of this, or are you just throwing out wild accusations?
    I'm not taking them to civil court, but I'm taking them to moral court.

    That didn't answer the question.

    theatrical groups which do the same. Not everyone is motivated by wea or other quid-pro-quo arrangements.
    It's good to think positively like that. Maybe Bon Jovi had no clue that he'd be helping to ruin the country when he spoke those magic words
    about "vote for Biden."

    Biden is not ruining the country. Put pressure on your local government to
    get those pipes fixed. Find other like-minded people and demand
    answers. Complaining about it on here is accomplishing nothing.

    Bon Jovi has money, sure, but the Jon Bon Jovi Soul Foundation also r the JBJ Soul Kitchen restaurants, which are community restaurants tha operate on donations only. Inability to pay does not keep anyone from dining with the same dignity and respect as paying customers. Is ther any real question as to why Trump might rub Bon Jovi the wrong way?
    I didn't hear Bon Jovi complaining about Trump. Was he? I won't listen
    to him anymore anyway.

    Apparently he said, "vote for Biden."

    Bon Jovi's probably intimidated by Trump because Trump actually helps people instead of just having them suck on his nipple.

    Trump helps some people, but mostly himself. We need a president that helps
    all people. But any attempts to help people who aren't named "Aaron Thomas"
    get described by you as a "cash grab."

    Jeff.

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Tuesday, September 06, 2022 08:30:15
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

    For the leftists' puppets, however, they are not dealing with "other factors." They're just being told, by their favorite celebrities, to
    mark the bubble for the money-grabbin Democrat, and there's nothing
    that's going to cause deviation from those instructions either, because the media's got them under control very well. They can only make non-sensical excuses for voting Democrat. "Trump was a racist" or
    "Chuck Schumer's colludin with Russia."

    "One of the painful signs of years of dumbed-down education is how many people are unable to make a coherent argument. They can vent their emotions, question other people's motives, make bold assertion, repeat slogans -- anything except reason."
    -- Thomas Sowell


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Ron L. on Tuesday, September 06, 2022 07:59:13
    On 06 Sep 2022, Ron L. said the following...
    For the leftists' puppets, however, they are not dealing with "other factors." They're just being told, by their favorite celebrities, to mark the bubble for the money-grabbin Democrat, and there's nothing that's going to cause deviation from those instructions either, becau the media's got them under control very well. They can only make non-sensical excuses for voting Democrat. "Trump was a racist" or "Chuck Schumer's colludin with Russia."
    "One of the painful signs of years of dumbed-down education is how many people are unable to make a coherent argument.

    Despite any evidence to support their claim, many MAGA Republicans still
    insist that Trump won the 2020 election.

    They can vent their
    emotions,

    By attacking the Capitol, perhaps?

    question other people's motives,

    By painting Democrats and liberals as inherently evil?

    make bold assertion,

    Like how despite any supporting evidence, they claim that the 2020 election
    was rigged?

    repeat
    slogans

    "MAGA!"

    -- anything except reason."
    -- Thomas Sowell

    Nailed it.

    Jeff.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Tuesday, September 06, 2022 17:58:00
    And then there are politically outspoken conservative celebrities you m
    remember, such as Roseanne Barr, Jon Voight, Kid Rock, Ted Nugent, Phil
    Willie Robinson, Stephen Baldwin, 50 Cent, Jesse James, Mike Ditka, Sco
    Baio, Kirstie Alley, James Woods, Dennis Quaid, Herschel Walker, Dr. Oz
    "Diamond and Silk," Trace Adkins, Isaiah Washington, Elizabeth Hasselbe
    Jack Nicklaus, Lil Wayne, Brett Favre, and more.
    Did any of them threaten to leave the country, or retire from performing,
    if Obama or Biden got elected, and also not follow through? I was specific about that above. Out of the ones I have heard of on your list, and actuallly like, I don't remember any of them doing that. The others I have either never heard of or don't follow enough to know (or care) if they did or not.

    They supported Trump, which is enough to refute Aaron's nonsense.

    If you were trying to refute Aaron, why were you replying to me with that
    list?

    Others liked them, though, and I am sure that some of them are sma
    minded enough that the threat was a concern to them. However, I a
    would find it easy to believe that most of those folks were not go
    vote for the Republican in question anyway.
    The Republican party has no shortage of small-minded, bigoted, ignorant
    and/or uneducated voters. I don't think there's much room to throw ston
    there.
    Again, on the topic of celebs who just about every election threaten to leave the country or retire, and people who follow them, I think there is
    plenty of room to do so.

    The conversation is not about either, but about celebrities who publicly endorse political candidates, and whether they should be allowed to do so.

    You responded to me, where I said I was ok with them having public
    political opinions, but not OK with the ones who tied public promises/threats to those opinions and then don't follow through.

    Your response to ME, not Aaron, was to list a bunch of conservatives who were public about their politics, which seems odd since I am the one that is ok
    with celebs expressing their opinion without making promises/threats along
    with them.

    Sounds like you replied to the wrong person?

    Of the ones I recognize, they all would fall into the first half of that statement.

    So there's a double-standard, eh? Conservative celebrities are expressing their beliefs, but liberal celebrities are milking their audience? Interesting perspective, but I don't agree.

    No I only said that about the ones I recognize. I don't know who some of
    them are, and I don't follow several others, so I cannot say if they are good examples of people who really believe what they say (vs. bandwagonning) or
    not.

    Since none of them that *I* know of were not following through with post-election promises or threats, I only feel certain about them. Since you don't seem to know whether they made such threats or not, either, it seems
    very odd that you listed them all off to me.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Tuesday, September 06, 2022 18:00:00
    They can only make non-sensical excuses for voting Democrat. "Trump
    was a racist" or "Chuck Schumer's colludin with Russia."

    So, wait, you are saying they vote for Chuck because a celebrity tells them that Chuck colludes with Russia?


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Tuesday, September 06, 2022 18:29:00
    Doing something for nothing seems to be a totally foreign concept to you and some others here. Pre-COVID, I played bass in a band that would perform for free at local festivals and the like. We all had day jobs and had no illusions of ever making it big; we just enjoyed playing music for people to listen to. There are other community music and theatrical groups which do the same. Not everyone is motivated by wealth or other quid-pro-quo arrangements.

    Not it is not foreign, so long as you are not talking about politicians
    (who are not doing things for free).


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Tuesday, September 06, 2022 18:16:00
    Perhaps your candidate is not nearly as popular as you think. Perhaps your candidate is spectacularly *un*popular.

    That would explain it, but no, Trump had nearly 1/2 of the country voting for him in his re-election (maybe even slightly more than 1/2!) Why aren't the celebrities more evenly divided, like the normal people? There's something about Trump that threatens their livlihood, but I haven't pinpointed it yet.

    It might be something a little more obvious than that. Democrat candidates tend to kiss up to celebrities also, and some of those celebrities probably like it and return the favor. Also, as I said before, many of their fans
    like it.

    IIRC, Trump pretty much came out as "against the Hollywood elite" so I
    doubt they had much reason to warm to him.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Tuesday, September 06, 2022 18:00:20
    On 06 Sep 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

    If you were trying to refute Aaron, why were you replying to me with that list?

    I was going with the flow of the conversation.

    The conversation is not about either, but about celebrities who publicly endorse political candidates, and whether they should be allowed to do s
    You responded to me, where I said I was ok with them having public political opinions, but not OK with the ones who tied public promises/threats to those opinions and then don't follow through.

    There are empty threats on both sides. Liberals threaten to leave the
    country, and conservatives threaten to secede.

    Your response to ME, not Aaron, was to list a bunch of conservatives who were public about their politics, which seems odd since I am the one
    that is ok with celebs expressing their opinion without making promises/threats along with them.
    Sounds like you replied to the wrong person?

    Yeah, probably so.

    Since none of them that *I* know of were not following through with post-election promises or threats, I only feel certain about them.
    Since you don't seem to know whether they made such threats or not, either, it seems very odd that you listed them all off to me.

    Again, empty threats are made on both sides. No one has seceded yet, either.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Tuesday, September 06, 2022 18:03:18
    Doing something for nothing seems to be a totally foreign concept to you some others here.
    Not it is not foreign, so long as you are not talking about politicians (who are not doing things for free).

    We are talking about celebrities, and that comment was directed towards
    Aaron.

    Jeff.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Tuesday, September 06, 2022 21:43:20
    I suspect that they get their greasy fingers on some of the hundreds billions of dollars that Democrats are squandering from the taxpayers

    It couldn't possibly be a conviction of some sort or another? A desire
    for a better country in terms of the way we treat the least among us?

    They defend the human smuggling industry, but they use their acting skills to make ignorant people think that all the deaths at the border are justified
    and that it's a coincidence that the border was better enforced under Trump policy. They *had* morons thinking that "Trump hates Mexicans" but the new narrative is that "The migrants hate Mexicans."

    He is harmful to the health and well-being of our country. Do you seriously think that all celebrities think only of themselves?

    They are paid what to "think" when they speak publicly, in places where the other party (Trump) is unable to defend himself against the things they say.

    Grants need to be applied for. Ask your local government why you still have lead pipes despite national funding to replace them. Unless, of course, the lead pipes are on your property, in which case, why are you expecting the national government to upgrade your private property?

    Thanks for that advice, but lead pipes are prevalent in my section of the city because it's the oldest developed section (first ward.) The city might
    possibly have some other districts without lead pipes, but they are definitely a hazard in my neighborhood. However, I should not have to ask anyone for anything, because this is false advertising on whitehouse.gov.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Wednesday, September 07, 2022 06:09:48
    On 06 Sep 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    I suspect that they get their greasy fingers on some of the hund billions of dollars that Democrats are squandering from the taxp
    It couldn't possibly be a conviction of some sort or another? A desir for a better country in terms of the way we treat the least among us?
    They defend the human smuggling industry, but they use their acting
    skills to make ignorant people think that all the deaths at the border
    are justified and that it's a coincidence that the border was better enforced under Trump policy. They *had* morons thinking that "Trump
    hates Mexicans" but the new narrative is that "The migrants hate Mexicans."

    Refugees are not being "smuggled." Border enforcement addresses illegal immigration, not refugees. Trump, and you, try to blur the line between legitimate refugees and illegal immigrants for some reason. What benefit does doing so afford you?

    He is harmful to the health and well-being of our country. Do you seriously think that all celebrities think only of themselves?
    They are paid what to "think" when they speak publicly, in places where the other party (Trump) is unable to defend himself against the things they say.

    And yet Trump finds a way to "defend" himself, right? Melania has famously
    said that when Trump is attacked, he fights back 10 times harder. But that's turning out to be his greatest weakness. He can't keep his mouth shut.

    Grants need to be applied for. Ask your local government why you stil have lead pipes despite national funding to replace them. Unless, of course, the lead pipes are on your property, in which case, why are y expecting the national government to upgrade your private property?
    Thanks for that advice, but lead pipes are prevalent in my section of
    the city because it's the oldest developed section (first ward.) The
    city might possibly have some other districts without lead pipes, but
    they are definitely a hazard in my neighborhood. However, I should not have to ask anyone for anything, because this is false advertising on whitehouse.gov.

    No, it's not. They have provided funds that local governments can apply for
    in the form of grants. Does your whole ward think that no one should have to ask for anything? Because with that attitude, nothing's ever going to get
    done.

    Jeff.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Tuesday, September 06, 2022 22:40:19
    There's something about Trump that threatens their livlihood, but I haven't pinpointed it yet.

    You assume it's about personal wealth and money, but that's not necessarily the case. There are other possibilities.

    Every Democrat, celebrity, media personality, and reptile was freaking out in an unprecedented way, low and behold the biggest money grab in the history of the confederacy.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Ron L. on Tuesday, September 06, 2022 22:49:13
    the media's got them under control very well. They can only make non-sensical excuses for voting Democrat. "Trump was a racist" or "Chuck Schumer's colludin with Russia."

    "One of the painful signs of years of dumbed-down education is how many people are unable to make a coherent argument. They can vent their emotions, question other people's motives, make bold assertion, repeat slogans -- anything except reason."

    I'd like to get some updates from the celebrities about when all the good
    stuff is supposed to start happening. Surely we'll someday realize how Trump was ruining our country all along and how Biden fixed everything to the best
    of his ability. ;)

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Wednesday, September 07, 2022 00:16:18
    "One of the painful signs of years of dumbed-down education is how ma people are unable to make a coherent argument.

    Despite any evidence to support their claim, many MAGA Republicans still insist that Trump won the 2020 election.

    Do you have any evidence to support your claim of widespread MAGA Republicans?

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Wednesday, September 07, 2022 15:40:00
    If you were trying to refute Aaron, why were you replying to me with that
    list?

    I was going with the flow of the conversation.

    Which had changed.

    The conversation is not about either, but about celebrities who publicl
    endorse political candidates, and whether they should be allowed to do
    You responded to me, where I said I was ok with them having public political opinions, but not OK with the ones who tied public promises/threats to those opinions and then don't follow through.

    There are empty threats on both sides. Liberals threaten to leave the country, and conservatives threaten to secede.

    Conservative TV, movie, and music celebrities, with large followings that
    we've both heard of?

    Since none of them that *I* know of were not following through with post-election promises or threats, I only feel certain about them.
    Since you don't seem to know whether they made such threats or not, either, it seems very odd that you listed them all off to me.

    Again, empty threats are made on both sides. No one has seceded yet, either.

    And, to my knowledge, none of the celebrities you listed have threatened either. The only one you listed, that I recognize, that I had doubts about
    was Roseanne. I didn't watch her show and don't follow her close enough to know if she threatened to leave or secede or not.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Wednesday, September 07, 2022 15:45:00
    Doing something for nothing seems to be a totally foreign concept to yo
    some others here.
    Not it is not foreign, so long as you are not talking about politicians (who are not doing things for free).

    We are talking about celebrities, and that comment was directed towards Aaron.

    So, you referred to Aaron in the plural, "you and some others here"? How
    many others does Aaron account for?


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Wednesday, September 07, 2022 15:59:55
    On 06 Sep 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    There's something about Trump that threatens their livlihood, bu haven't pinpointed it yet.
    You assume it's about personal wealth and money, but that's not necessarily the case. There are other possibilities.
    Every Democrat, celebrity, media personality, and reptile was freaking
    out in an unprecedented way, low and behold the biggest money grab in
    the history of the confederacy.

    Correlation does not imply causation.

    Perhaps these celebrities thought that we need to invest more in our nation, endorsed the guy who ran on investing more in our nation, and -- lo and
    behold! -- we are investing more in our nation.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Wednesday, September 07, 2022 16:00:43
    On 07 Sep 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    "One of the painful signs of years of dumbed-down education is h people are unable to make a coherent argument.
    Despite any evidence to support their claim, many MAGA Republicans st insist that Trump won the 2020 election.
    Do you have any evidence to support your claim of widespread MAGA Republicans?

    Look at the attendance at Trump rallies.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Wednesday, September 07, 2022 16:09:37
    On 07 Sep 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    If you were trying to refute Aaron, why were you replying to me wit that
    list?
    I was going with the flow of the conversation.
    Which had changed.

    Somewhat, yes. My reply was supposed to be in addition to yours, not in contradiction of yours. It happens.

    The conversation is not about either, but about celebrities who publicl
    endorse political candidates, and whether they should be allowed
    You responded to me, where I said I was ok with them having public political opinions, but not OK with the ones who tied public promises/threats to those opinions and then don't follow through.
    There are empty threats on both sides. Liberals threaten to leave the country, and conservatives threaten to secede.
    Conservative TV, movie, and music celebrities, with large followings that we've both heard of?

    Ted Nugent springs to mind.

    Since none of them that *I* know of were not following through with post-election promises or threats, I only feel certain about them. Since you don't seem to know whether they made such threats or not, either, it seems very odd that you listed them all off to me.
    Again, empty threats are made on both sides. No one has seceded yet, eit
    And, to my knowledge, none of the celebrities you listed have threatened either. The only one you listed, that I recognize, that I had doubts about was Roseanne. I didn't watch her show and don't follow her close enough to know if she threatened to leave or secede or not.

    And not all of the celebrities that Aaron has mentioned have made empty threats, either.

    And by the way, these "threats" are only "threats" in the strictest sense.
    They are not threatening harm on anyone.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Wednesday, September 07, 2022 16:19:35
    On 07 Sep 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    Doing something for nothing seems to be a totally foreign concept yo
    some others here.
    Not it is not foreign, so long as you are not talking about politic (who are not doing things for free).
    We are talking about celebrities, and that comment was directed towards Aaron.
    So, you referred to Aaron in the plural, "you and some others here"? How many others does Aaron account for?

    Are there only three of us here? If it doesn't apply to you, it doesn't apply to you.

    Jeff.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Mike Powell on Wednesday, September 07, 2022 01:02:30
    They can only make non-sensical excuses for voting Democrat. "Trump
    was a racist" or "Chuck Schumer's colludin with Russia."

    So, wait, you are saying they vote for Chuck because a celebrity tells them that Chuck colludes with Russia?

    Sorry, I meant to say "Mitch Mcconnel's colludin with Russia."

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Mike Powell on Wednesday, September 07, 2022 01:06:39
    It might be something a little more obvious than that. Democrat candidates tend to kiss up to celebrities also, and some of those celebrities probably like it and return the favor. Also, as I said before, many of their fans like it.

    IIRC, Trump pretty much came out as "against the Hollywood elite" so I doubt they had much reason to warm to him.

    That explains it! The elite took offense to those fightin words.

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  • From Rebecca Marie@1:124/5016 to Mike Powell on Tuesday, September 13, 2022 14:32:00
    Mike Powell wrote to REBECCA MARIE <=-

    I would go as far as to say that celebrities were out in greater force
    in support of Obama than they were of Biden.

    I would go as far as saying that I totally agree with that. We found a
    little bit of common ground! (:


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  • From Rebecca Marie@1:124/5016 to Aaron Thomas on Tuesday, September 13, 2022 14:40:00
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Rebecca Marie <=-

    The anti-Trump effort was unprecedented; there has never been this much "need" to remove and defame a president." And now these money grabs are unprecedented too. Do you think that is a coincidence?

    I don't accept pretty much anything you said there:

    1) I think that the anti-Obama effort was much worse, do you not remember
    the subtly racist remarks about President Obama's birth place and
    suggestions that he was Muslim? Obama was attacked mercilessly for things
    that were patently not true.

    2) I don't think that Trump has been defamed. History will tell, but
    there does seem to be evidence for many of the charges against Trump.

    3) The need to remove a president has never been stronger than for Richard Nixon. He set the bar.

    4) I do not see any money grabs.



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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Wednesday, September 21, 2022 00:42:23
    Are you perhaps forgetting Rush Limbaugh and "Barack the Magic N
    Nobody except for Rush Limbaugh.

    Nice of you to carve out an exception, but there were many more attacks than just that.

    Yea right. I live in the same country as you. Nobody wanted to be labeled as a klan member for saying anything bad about the Kenyan migrant.

    Did you wrongly think that a few negative comments from Rush Limbaugh were going to influence an election?

    "A few" negative comments, misinformation, and audience reach could have had some influence, yes. Perhaps not enough to turn the election itself, but to change the margin of victory, certainly.

    You have a wild imagination. Nobody called him out for anything outside of AM radio.

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Thursday, September 08, 2022 08:22:09
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

    I'd like to get some updates from the celebrities about when all the
    good stuff is supposed to start happening. Surely we'll someday realize how Trump was ruining our country all along and how Biden fixed
    everything to the best of his ability. ;)

    But we hear that every day from the Propaganda Ministry... er.. Mainstream Media.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Thursday, September 08, 2022 15:44:00
    Not it is not foreign, so long as you are not talking about politi
    (who are not doing things for free).
    We are talking about celebrities, and that comment was directed towards
    Aaron.
    So, you referred to Aaron in the plural, "you and some others here"? How
    many others does Aaron account for?

    Are there only three of us here? If it doesn't apply to you, it doesn't apply to you.

    Except I was one of the ones claiming that most celebrities, and politicians, don't do things for free, and that it was naive to think otherwise.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Thursday, September 08, 2022 16:32:00
    On 07 Sep 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    Despite any evidence to support their claim, many MAGA Republicans s
    insist that Trump won the 2020 election.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    Do you have any evidence to support your claim of widespread MAGA Republicans?

    Look at the attendance at Trump rallies.

    Their attendance doesn't mean they think he won the 2020 election. I would take it more as support for future elections, and would assume (possibly
    wrong) that they believe in the MAGA philosophy.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Thursday, September 08, 2022 17:32:37
    On 08 Sep 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    Not it is not foreign, so long as you are not talking about politi
    (who are not doing things for free).
    We are talking about celebrities, and that comment was directed towards
    Aaron.
    So, you referred to Aaron in the plural, "you and some others here" How
    many others does Aaron account for?
    Are there only three of us here? If it doesn't apply to you, it doesn't to you.
    Except I was one of the ones claiming that most celebrities, and politicians, don't do things for free, and that it was naive to think otherwise.

    Then it does apply to you. If you think that "most" celebrities don't do
    things for free, then it applies to you.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Thursday, September 08, 2022 17:54:17
    On 08 Sep 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    Despite any evidence to support their claim, many MAGA Republi s
    insist that Trump won the 2020 election.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    Do you have any evidence to support your claim of widespread MAGA Republicans?
    Their attendance doesn't mean they think he won the 2020 election. I would take it more as support for future elections, and would assume (possibly wrong) that they believe in the MAGA philosophy.

    And hence, they are MAGA Republicans. I didn't say that *all* MAGA
    Republicans insist that Trump won the 2020 election, only that many do. The idea that all Trump rally attendees believe that Trump won the 2020 election originates with you; I never said any such thing. Aaron's question was specifically about "widespread MAGA Republicans."

    Jeff.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Rebecca Marie on Thursday, September 15, 2022 00:10:13
    Hello Rebecca,

    [..]

    3) The need to remove a president has never been stronger than for Richard Nixon. He set the bar.

    What Nixon did was small potatoes compared to what Trump did.
    And Nixon got a presidential pardon.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Thursday, September 22, 2022 09:12:00
    On 21 Sep 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    Are you perhaps forgetting Rush Limbaugh and "Barack the Ma
    Nobody except for Rush Limbaugh.
    Nice of you to carve out an exception, but there were many more attac than just that.
    Yea right. I live in the same country as you. Nobody wanted to be
    labeled as a klan member for saying anything bad about the Kenyan
    migrant.

    So you're saying that you were thinking these things (such as that Obama was
    a Kenyan immigrant, which he wasn't), but were afraid of the consequences of speaking them out loud?

    1. Plenty of people did speak them out loud on social media and elsewhere.

    2. Perhaps you should fear the consequences of spreading lies.

    Did you wrongly think that a few negative comments from Rush Lim were going to influence an election?
    "A few" negative comments, misinformation, and audience reach could h had some influence, yes. Perhaps not enough to turn the election itse but to change the margin of victory, certainly.
    You have a wild imagination. Nobody called him out for anything outside
    of AM radio.

    So now we've gone from "nobody" to "okay, just Rush Limbaugh" to "nobody outside of AM radio." Keep going, you're getting closer. How about Fox News?

    Jeff.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Friday, September 23, 2022 12:14:30
    So you're saying that you were thinking these things (such as that Obama was a Kenyan immigrant, which he wasn't), but were afraid of the consequences of speaking them out loud?

    1. Plenty of people did speak them out loud on social media and
    elsewhere.

    2. Perhaps you should fear the consequences of spreading lies.

    Nobody was allowed to say anything bad about Obama, so nobody did. There
    was a parody interview with Zach at's Galifianakis, did a parody interview with Obama, asking him how it feels to be "America's last black president," but that's as bad as it got for Obama.

    Joe's another Obama when it comes to media attention. They ain't saying nothin bad about Joe, despite all their opportunities to strike him.

    So now we've gone from "nobody" to "okay, just Rush Limbaugh" to "nobody outside of AM radio." Keep going, you're getting closer. How about Fox News?

    Fox News doesn't count. Only cable subscribers even have access to watch Fox News. Every single broadcast channel the country plus 99% of cable channels were "impeaching" Trump since before day 1. The attacks were unprecedented, relentless, and they were far-reaching.

    Ask anyone "Remeber all those Obama jokes?" and they will say "No I don't."

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Friday, September 23, 2022 09:19:13
    On 23 Sep 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    So you're saying that you were thinking these things (such as that Ob was a Kenyan immigrant, which he wasn't), but were afraid of the consequences of speaking them out loud?
    1. Plenty of people did speak them out loud on social media and elsewhere.
    2. Perhaps you should fear the consequences of spreading lies.
    Nobody was allowed to say anything bad about Obama, so nobody did.

    Sure they did. Your memory is failing you. Here is contemporary coverage of
    the anti-Obama rhetoric during the 2012 presidential campaign season: https://www.cnn.com/2012/02/21/opinion/avlon-hostile-gop-rhetoric

    Interestingly, one comment mentioned in the article is that of Kathryn
    Sarka, a member of a Romney rally audience: "Obama doesn't understand America. He follows George Soros. Obama is against our Constitution and our
    democracy."

    But of course, that was just rhetoric. Trump took it to the next level by actually attacking our Constitution and our democracy.

    Joe's another Obama when it comes to media attention. They ain't saying nothin bad about Joe, despite all their opportunities to strike him.

    Maybe there's nothing bad to say.

    So now we've gone from "nobody" to "okay, just Rush Limbaugh" to "nob outside of AM radio." Keep going, you're getting closer. How about Fo News?
    Fox News doesn't count. Only cable subscribers even have access to watch Fox News.

    What new Calvinball rule is this?

    Every single broadcast channel the country plus 99% of cable
    channels were "impeaching" Trump since before day 1.

    Your evidence for this?

    Ask anyone "Remeber all those Obama jokes?" and they will say "No I don't."

    Liberals won't remember any Obama "jokes" because they're not real jokes; they're only "funny" to conservatives.

    Jeff.

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  • From Rebecca Marie@1:124/5016 to Aaron Thomas on Thursday, September 22, 2022 16:23:00
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Rebecca Marie <=-

    I don't accept pretty much anything you said there:

    1) I think that the anti-Obama effort was much worse, do you not remember the subtly racist remarks about President Obama's birth place and suggestions that he was Muslim? Obama was attacked mercilessly for things that were patently not true.

    That comparison is flawed. Trump attacked Obama, yes, but nobody else
    did.

    Yeah, that's just about it for me.


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