Do you have any evidence to support your claim of widespread MAGA
Republicans?
Look at the attendance at Trump rallies.
Their attendance doesn't mean they think he won the 2020 election.
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from all advertising in the Chinese market. As I look at your list, I suspect the ones that are truely cancelled (i.e. you cannot watch,
find, or buy them anywere -- and I only see one!) happened not because
above, become as difficult to obtain as a copy of "And to Think that I
Saw it on Mulberry Street."
When these get removed these days, it is usually no longer because of
the mention of the characters but because of the sexual content not
being age appropriate.
passage out of one such book available in their kid's school library.
He was prevented from doing so because he was told he could not read "pornography" during the meeting as there might be children watching
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This thread is about the leftist celebrities who endorsed Biden. They
Aaron Thomas wrote to Jeff Thiele <=-
Demolish was the wrong word, but he's transforming the country. What
kind of president tells people to "expect less?" A president should
Aaron Thomas wrote to Jeff Thiele <=-
That's fine I guess but why so many celebrities all of a sudden? Why's
it so important for them to win this election? They didn't care if
Mccain or Romney were going to beat Obama; there was no mass-messaging like this for those elections. Celebrities weren't willing to lose fans
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In a word, Trump.
That doesn't make any sense. There was never any obvious indication
that Trump would be harmful, at least not back in 2016.
MIKE POWELL wrote to REBECCA MARIE <=-
from all advertising in the Chinese market. As I look at your list, I suspect the ones that are truely cancelled (i.e. you cannot watch,
find, or buy them anywere -- and I only see one!) happened not because
It's disingenous to re-frame the crux of the debate in the middle of the debate. I.e. you can't say "oh, I mean stuff that is 'truly' canceled and cannot watch..."
above, become as difficult to obtain as a copy of "And to Think that I Saw it on Mulberry Street."
That's because Dr. Seuss Enterprises decided to stop publishing "Mulberry Street" and five others. Their choice.
When these get removed these days, it is usually no longer because of the mention of the characters but because of the sexual content not being age appropriate.
Well, you can keep telling yourself that if you'd like, doesn't mean "they have sexual content" isn't code for "we hate LGBTQ people".
He was prevented from doing so because he was told he could not read passage out of one such book available in their kid's school library. "pornography" during the meeting as there might be children watching
What is the book's title, and who is the author?
That's fine I guess but why so many celebrities all of a sudden? Why's it so important for them to win this election? They didn't care if Mccain or Romney were going to beat Obama; there was no mass-messaging like this for those elections. Celebrities weren't willing to lose fans
Wow, that's some pretty fine selective memory there, Aaron. Are you certain you don't remember the "Change" rallies? Or the music video where a bunch
of celebrities joined in to voice their support of Obama,
"Scarlett Johansson, John Legend, Herbie Hancock, Kate Walsh, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Adam Rodriquez, Kelly Hu, Adam Rodriquez, Amber Valetta, Nick Cannon, will.i.am and Jesse Dylan."
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=4231523&page=1
This thread is about the leftist celebrities who endorsed Biden. They
I dunno why you keep saying "leftist" like it is some type of putdown, there's a whole lot of us who are proud to be progressives.
That's fine I guess but why so many celebrities all of a sudden? Why' it so important for them to win this election? They didn't care if Mccain or Romney were going to beat Obama; there was no mass-messagin like this for those elections. Celebrities weren't willing to lose fa
Wow, that's some pretty fine selective memory there, Aaron. Are you certain you don't remember the "Change" rallies? Or the music video
where a bunch of celebrities joined in to voice their support of Obama,
"Scarlett Johansson, John Legend, Herbie Hancock, Kate Walsh, Kareem
Abdul Jabbar, Adam Rodriquez, Kelly Hu, Adam Rodriquez, Amber Valetta, Nick Cannon, will.i.am and Jesse Dylan."
Aaron wasn't talking about "one person;" he specifically referred to "so conservatives."
But show me where he says that these "many conservatives" are trying to make it where you cannot also buy the music produced by the artist in question. As best as I can tell, they have stopped buying, but you still can, so the artist and their product is not cancelled.
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I wish I could organize a big enough boycott to piss them off. These famous leftists helped destroy my country.
No good has come of their
flamboyant support for scum like Biden, so why should their music still get played on American radio stations?
I wish I could organize a big enough boycott to piss them off. These famous leftists helped destroy my country. No good has come of their flamboyant support for scum like Biden, so why should their music still get played on American radio stations?Aaron wasn't talking about "one person;" he specifically referred t conservatives."But show me where he says that these "many conservatives" are trying make it where you cannot also buy the music produced by the artist in question. As best as I can tell, they have stopped buying, but you s can, so the artist and their product is not cancelled.
No good has come of theirWho listens to radio anymore? For me, broadcast radio went into the
flamboyant support for scum like Biden, so why should their music sti get played on American radio stations?
trash literally decades ago. I have a cheap MP3 player hooked up in the car, so I only listen to the music I like, with no propaganda.
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Not sure it covers "easily offended," but there is a difference between one person saying they are no longer going to listen to, buy, etc., something that offends them personally, and a group of persons banding together to presure companies to stop making or selling something that they find offensive and that they don't want available to others who
are not offended.
Most successful "cancel culture" movements these days are against
things that non-conservatives find offensive *OR* they are against celebrity sex predators that everyone should find offensive.
for a while now. Many of the Elitist-infected media are already having money issues.
I expect they will be going out in the next few years.
flamboyant support for scum like Biden, so why should their music sti get played on American radio stations?
Who listens to radio anymore? For me, broadcast radio went into the
trash literally decades ago. I have a cheap MP3 player hooked up in the car, so I only listen to the music I like, with no propaganda.
I wish I could organize a big enough boycott to piss them off. These famous leftists helped destroy my country. No good has come of their flamboyant support for scum like Biden, so why should their music sti get played on American radio stations?Aaron wasn't talking about "one person;" he specifically refer conservatives."But show me where he says that these "many conservatives" are tr make it where you cannot also buy the music produced by the arti question. As best as I can tell, they have stopped buying, but can, so the artist and their product is not cancelled.
They did not destroy your country. It was Trump who tried to subvert democracy by attempting a coup; not Biden, not Obama. I remember conservatives being very concerned that Obama was going to attempt to
run for an illegal third term -- but when it came down to it those fears never materialized, not even remotely close. But when your guy tries to illegally retain power, it's apparently no big deal.
How is it that breaking the law and ignoring the will of the people is a part of "your" country?
I wish I could organize a big enough boycott to piss them off. T famous leftists helped destroy my country. No good has come of t flamboyant support for scum like Biden, so why should their musi get played on American radio stations?They did not destroy your country. It was Trump who tried to subvert democracy by attempting a coup; not Biden, not Obama. I remember conservatives being very concerned that Obama was going to attempt to run for an illegal third term -- but when it came down to it those fe never materialized, not even remotely close. But when your guy tries illegally retain power, it's apparently no big deal.
How is it that breaking the law and ignoring the will of the people i part of "your" country?
You're talking about an array of weird stuff there.
Media monkeys like
Cher & Madonna convinced masses of other idiots to vote for Biden, and
now we're all suffering the consequences.
Trump's attempt to assasinate 535 members of congress and the entire US military (and probably NATO forces too) was not planned very well. He failed bigtime. But I can't cry about that while Biden's playing fill er up during a deadly pandemic.
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The media in this country is like official state media for the
Democrats, and it would take an asteroid (or a major power outage) to
shut them up.
Leftist music is all around us, not just on your stero. It's playing at the dentist's office, the break room at work, and in elevators. You
can't escape it. Luckily for you, you won't let a catchy song influence how you vote, but other people will. That's why a-holes like Bon Jovi
and John Cougar Mellencamp were telling everyone to "vote for Biden."
Leftist music is all around us, not just on your stero. It's playing at the dentist's office, the break room at work, and in elevators. You can't escape it. Luckily for you, you won't let a catchy song influence how you vote, but other people will. That's why a-holes like Bon Jovi and John Cougar Mellencamp
were telling everyone to "vote for Biden."
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Who listens to radio anymore? For me, broadcast radio went into the
trash literally decades ago. I have a cheap MP3 player hooked up in the car, so I only listen to the music I like, with no propaganda.
Who listens to radio anymore? For me, broadcast radio went into the trash literally decades ago. I have a cheap MP3 player hooked up in the car, so I only listen to the music I like, with no propaganda.
Of course, because you can't handle anything challenging your view of the world.
Or he cannot stand listening to all of the commercials, which would be my reason.Who listens to radio anymore? For me, broadcast radio went into the trash literally decades ago. I have a cheap MP3 player hooked up in car, so I only listen to the music I like, with no propaganda.Of course, because you can't handle anything challenging your view of th world.
Cher & Madonna convinced masses of other idiots to vote for Biden, an now we're all suffering the consequences.
And you think they should be silenced for this. I get it. That's not how our country works, though.
I'm not sure what you're talking about with the military and NATO, but Trump did attempt a coup and is being investigated for it. He's also
It seems like you want the media to ignore any news about Trump and cast Biden only in a negative light. That's not news; that's propaganda.
They set us up for failure just to affirm their standing in the media.Cher & Madonna convinced masses of other idiots to vote for Bide now we're all suffering the consequences.And you think they should be silenced for this. I get it. That's not our country works, though.
I'm not sure what you're talking about with the military and NATO, bu Trump did attempt a coup and is being investigated for it. He's alsoYou're a brainwashed leftist, so you're required by policy to say stuff like "Trump attempted a coup," but that's a generalized accusation. I'll laugh with you if Trump gets "the punishment he deserves."
It seems like you want the media to ignore any news about Trump and c Biden only in a negative light. That's not news; that's propaganda.This thread is about the leftist celebrities who endorsed Biden. They
did it with bad intentions, because despite Biden's rampant demolition
of America, most of these scum still double-down on their support for
him (like Jimmy Kimmel.)
I've never been someone who worships entertainers. So what a musician says about something non-music-related is pretty much irrelevant.
But I get what you say. Too many people think that an expert in area 1 automatically means that he's an expert in area 2. How else can a linguist be hailed as a foreign policy expert? (That's Chomsky, for
those who don't know.)
What kind of music do you like?
I never really cared as much for Bon Jovi after "Runaway," but JCM is one of my jams. I don't like his politics, and don't like some of his songs, but most of them are pretty good and are what I grew up on.
They set us up for failure just to affirm their standing in the media
They expressed their political opinions.
wishes to endorse Biden's political opponents. Biden is not seeking to "demolish" America. The Trump administration, which would hve continued
Look at what resulted. That was no accident.They set us up for failure just to affirm their standing in theThey expressed their political opinions.
wishes to endorse Biden's political opponents. Biden is not seeking t "demolish" America. The Trump administration, which would hve continuDemolish was the wrong word, but he's transforming the country. What
kind of president tells people to "expect less?" A president should tell people to "expect more!"
Demolish was the wrong word, but he's transforming the country. What
kind of president tells people to "expect less?" A president should
tell people to "expect more!"
A realist who isn't out to tell people only what they want to hear. During WWII there were food rations, and sacrifices had to be made. Was that president telling people to "expect more!" or was he explaining the need to
"expect less."
They set us up for failure just to affirm their standing in the AT>media
They expressed their political opinions.
Look at what resulted. That was no accident.
wishes to endorse Biden's political opponents. Biden is not seeking to
"demolish" America. The Trump administration, which would hve continued
Demolish was the wrong word, but he's transforming the country. What kind of
president tells people to "expect less?" A president should tell people to "expect more!"
Look at what resulted. That was no accident.
I agree with you there, but was it wrong? Do they not have the right to endorse a candidate?
clout (and I suspect lots of money, too). And yet I don't see you questioning the political acumen of conservative billionaire donors. Why is that? Could it be that they tend to be conservative while celebrities tend to be liberal?
A realist who isn't out to tell people only what they want to hear.
During WWII there were food rations, and sacrifices had to be made. Was that president telling people to "expect more!" or was he explaining the need to "expect less."
That's fine I guess but why so many celebrities all of a sudden? Why'sLook at what resulted. That was no accident.I agree with you there, but was it wrong? Do they not have the right endorse a candidate?
it so important for them to win this election?
They didn't care if
Mccain or Romney were going to beat Obama; there was no mass-messaging like this for those elections.
Celebrities weren't willing to lose fans
for getting political back then, but in 2016 they all marched together
to trash Trump.
to trash Trump. Hmmm, maybe they KNEW somehow that Trump would later be colluding with Russia, talking trash about veterans, doing a coup
attempt, and stealing documents. They KNEW that ahead of time somehow
that he would do all these terrible things. (Yea right)
clout (and I suspect lots of money, too). And yet I don't see you questioning the political acumen of conservative billionaire donors. is that? Could it be that they tend to be conservative while celebrit tend to be liberal?(What I said answers all this I hope.)
A realist who isn't out to tell people only what they want to hear. During WWII there were food rations, and sacrifices had to be made. W that president telling people to "expect more!" or was he explaining need to "expect less."If Democrats weren't wasting so much money, then they could tell us to "expect more." More is what Democrats are getting, and less is what the American people are getting. At least he was honest about something.
They set us up for failure just to affirm their standing in the AT>
They expressed their political opinions.
Look at what resulted. That was no accident.
81 million Americans voted for Joe Biden in 2020.
That is 7 million more Americans than who voted for Donald Trump.
Talk about a whooping. An incumbent president being a two-time
loser (Trump lost by 3 million votes to a woman, Hillary Clinton).
Those who benefit the most from the system should pay more.
Wouldn't you agree? Therefore, tax the shit out of those who
make over $400K per year. Everybody else gets a free ride.
What kind of music do you like?
I'm a jazz guy, but I grew up listening to rock & metal. I liked Bon Jovi a lo
in the 80s (I was a kid) and I wanted to be just like him.... Not anymore!
I never really cared as much for Bon Jovi after "Runaway," but JCM is one
of my jams. I don't like his politics, and don't like some of his songs,
but most of them are pretty good and are what I grew up on.
I don't want to boycott people for being Democrat supporters, but I want to target the ones who abused their fame to cultivate Biden votes. It can't be a coincidence that this old cracker had endless celebrity endorsements, and now he's wrecking the country; they KNEW he was gonna do some of this stuff! And they should be punished for that.
That's fine I guess but why so many celebrities all of a sudden? Why' it so important for them to win this election?
In a word, Trump.
They didn't care if
Mccain or Romney were going to beat Obama; there was no mass-messagin like this for those elections.
So what changed? What's your guess?
Celebrities weren't willing to lose fans
for getting political back then, but in 2016 they all marched togethe to trash Trump.
They felt more strongly about Trump than previous candidates.
No, it doesn't. Why are you opposed to celebrities using their clout to endorse political candidates?
Democrats are not "wasting so much money." They are investing in our country, something Republicans seem to be unwilling to do.
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I've never been someone who worships entertainers. So what a musician says about something non-music-related is pretty much irrelevant.
I wish other people would see it that way but I don't think they do.
It's definitely a common human behavior for people to look up to people who are experts in their fields,
and I think it's also common for
people to assume that these experts are experts at everything.
My kid's
doctor is a great doctor, and when he told me which neighborhood he
lives in, it made me want to live in that neighborhood too.
That doesn't make any sense. There was never any obvious indication that Trump would be harmful, at least not back in 2016.That's fine I guess but why so many celebrities all of a sudden? it so important for them to win this election?In a word, Trump.
What do you mean?They didn't care ifSo what changed? What's your guess?
Mccain or Romney were going to beat Obama; there was no mass-mes like this for those elections.
Yea, for sure, but that doesn't explain why.Celebrities weren't willing to lose fansThey felt more strongly about Trump than previous candidates.
for getting political back then, but in 2016 they all marched to to trash Trump.
No, it doesn't. Why are you opposed to celebrities using their clout endorse political candidates?Because they did it collectively and abruptly, and they never acted that way before. And they did it to hurt a candidate who had nothing personal to gain from becoming president. Where were they in 2012? Nobody had anything bad to say about Romney.
Democrats are not "wasting so much money." They are investing in our country, something Republicans seem to be unwilling to do.The money is being squandered, and voters are being lied to. I know we
had this conversation before, but look at what whitehouse.gov says about the previous money grab:
"These game-changing investments will put American plumbers and pipefitters to work replacing all of the Americas lead pipes and service lines and making other critical upgrades."
Notice the word "all" in there? But not "all" the lead pipes got
replaced, and not "all" of them ever will be. But whitehouse.gov
*insists* otherwise: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2021/12/16/fa et-the-biden-harris-lead-pipe-and-paint-action-plan/
I also enjoy jazz, and even the big band music from before that era.What kind of music do you like?I'm a jazz guy, but I grew up listening to rock & metal. I liked Bon Jov lo
in the 80s (I was a kid) and I wanted to be just like him.... Not anymor
I don't want to boycott people for being Democrat supporters, but I want target the ones who abused their fame to cultivate Biden votes. It can't coincidence that this old cracker had endless celebrity endorsements, an he's wrecking the country; they KNEW he was gonna do some of this stuff! they should be punished for that.I somewhat understand what you mean. There are some celebs whose work I like despite their political bent. The ones that stomp their feet before every election and threaten their fans with leaving the country or retiring if (Republican) gets elected, and who never follow through on such promises, they are in a different boat. Thing is, I am not sure
that there have been many celebs that I liked beforehand who have turned around and done that. Most of them are ones whose work I did not like to begin with. I actually cannot name one offhand that I did like.
Others liked them, though, and I am sure that some of them are small minded enough that the threat was a concern to them. However, I also would find it easy to believe that most of those folks were not going to vote for the Republican in question anyway.
While there are some celebs that are committed to their beliefs no matter what anyone else thinks, most of them are bandwagoners who share their "beliefs" publically to be part of what they think of as the "in crowd."
While there are some celebs that are committed to their beliefs no matter what anyone else thinks, most of them are bandwagoners who share their "beliefs" publically to be part of what they think of as the "in crowd."
While there are some celebs that are committed to their beliefs no ma what anyone else thinks, most of them are bandwagoners who share thei "beliefs" publically to be part of what they think of as the "in crowThat's what I've suspected all this time also, that they were just
trying to suck up to that "in crowd" by making it loud and clear that
they are against Trump. But now I suspect that there's more to it than that.
Did you ever see such a high volume of celebrities speaking out against a political candidate before? I've seen them do it a little before, but never at this frequency.
Maybe some money from the Bipartisan Infrastructure Act (cash grab part
1) and/or from the Build Back Better Act (cash grab part 2) is trickling down to the celebrities' pockets.
They can't be doing all this for
nothing.
Bon Jovi is rich, but he's not 100 billion dollars rich.
like despite their political bent. The ones that stomp their feet before
every election and threaten their fans with leaving the country or retiring if (Republican) gets elected, and who never follow through on such promises, they are in a different boat. Thing is, I am not sure that there have been many celebs that I liked beforehand who have turned around and done that. Most of them are ones whose work I did not like to begin with. I actually cannot name one offhand that I did like.
And then there are politically outspoken conservative celebrities you may remember, such as Roseanne Barr, Jon Voight, Kid Rock, Ted Nugent, Phil and Willie Robinson, Stephen Baldwin, 50 Cent, Jesse James, Mike Ditka, Scott Baio, Kirstie Alley, James Woods, Dennis Quaid, Herschel Walker, Dr. Oz, "Diamond and Silk," Trace Adkins, Isaiah Washington, Elizabeth Hasselbeck, Jack Nicklaus, Lil Wayne, Brett Favre, and more.
Others liked them, though, and I am sure that some of them are small minded enough that the threat was a concern to them. However, I also would find it easy to believe that most of those folks were not going to vote for the Republican in question anyway.
The Republican party has no shortage of small-minded, bigoted, ignorant, and/or uneducated voters. I don't think there's much room to throw stones there.
While there are some celebs that are committed to their beliefs no matter
what anyone else thinks, most of them are bandwagoners who share their "beliefs" publically to be part of what they think of as the "in crowd."
Perhaps, perhaps not. Do you think that any of the people in the list above are just trying to be part of the "in" crowd?
They didn't care if
Mccain or Romney were going to beat Obama; there was no mass-messagi
like this for those elections.
So what changed? What's your guess?
What do you mean?
"These game-changing investments will put American plumbers and pipefitters to
work replacing all of the Americas lead pipes and service lines and making other critical upgrades."
Notice the word "all" in there? But not "all" the lead pipes got replaced, and
not "all" of them ever will be. But whitehouse.gov *insists* otherwise:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2021/12/16/fact-s
et-the-biden-harris-lead-pipe-and-paint-action-plan/
My kid's
doctor is a great doctor, and when he told me which neighborhood he lives in, it made me want to live in that neighborhood too.
But did you want to live in that neighborhood because of what the doctor said, or because that person is a doctor?
That doesn't make any sense. There was never any obvious indication t Trump would be harmful, at least not back in 2016.
Dude, Trump was telling anyone who would listen what he'd do as
president.
I mean, you obviously think that you see a change in the way that celebrities have reacted to Republican presidential candidates over
time; what do you think is driving that change?
to gain from becoming president. Where were they in 2012? Nobody had anything bad to say about Romney.
And that is wrong how? For whatever reason they reacted more strongly toward Trump. What exactly should prohibit them from using their clout
to endorse a political candidate?
Perhaps you should ask your city why they have not availed themselves of some of these grants, and if they have, what's the holdup?
The anti-Trump effort was unprecedented; there has never been this mu "need" to remove and defame a president." And now these money grabs a unprecedented too. Do you think that is a coincidence?
I don't accept pretty much anything you said there:
1) I think that the anti-Obama effort was much worse, do you not remember the subtly racist remarks about President Obama's birth place and suggestions that he was Muslim? Obama was attacked mercilessly for things that were patently not true.
2) I don't think that Trump has been defamed. History will tell, but
there does seem to be evidence for many of the charges against Trump.
3) The need to remove a president has never been stronger than for
Richard Nixon. He set the bar.
4) I do not see any money grabs.
That comparison is flawed. Trump attacked Obama, yes, but nobody elseThe anti-Trump effort was unprecedented; there has never been th "need" to remove and defame a president." And now these money gr unprecedented too. Do you think that is a coincidence?I don't accept pretty much anything you said there:
1) I think that the anti-Obama effort was much worse, do you not reme the subtly racist remarks about President Obama's birth place and suggestions that he was Muslim? Obama was attacked mercilessly for th that were patently not true.
did.
That comparison is flawed. Trump attacked Obama, yes, but nobody else did.
Are you perhaps forgetting Rush Limbaugh and "Barack the Magic Negro?"
Nobody except for Rush Limbaugh.That comparison is flawed. Trump attacked Obama, yes, but nobody did.Are you perhaps forgetting Rush Limbaugh and "Barack the Magic Negro?
Did you wrongly think that a few negative comments from Rush Limbaugh
were going to influence an election?
And then there are politically outspoken conservative celebrities you ma remember, such as Roseanne Barr, Jon Voight, Kid Rock, Ted Nugent, Phil Willie Robinson, Stephen Baldwin, 50 Cent, Jesse James, Mike Ditka, Scot Baio, Kirstie Alley, James Woods, Dennis Quaid, Herschel Walker, Dr. Oz, "Diamond and Silk," Trace Adkins, Isaiah Washington, Elizabeth Hasselbec Jack Nicklaus, Lil Wayne, Brett Favre, and more.Did any of them threaten to leave the country, or retire from performing, if Obama or Biden got elected, and also not follow through? I was specific about that above. Out of the ones I have heard of on your
list, and actuallly like, I don't remember any of them doing that. The others I have either never heard of or don't follow enough to know (or care) if they did or not.
Again, on the topic of celebs who just about every election threaten to leave the country or retire, and people who follow them, I think there is plenty of room to do so.Others liked them, though, and I am sure that some of them are smal minded enough that the threat was a concern to them. However, I al would find it easy to believe that most of those folks were not goi vote for the Republican in question anyway.The Republican party has no shortage of small-minded, bigoted, ignorant, and/or uneducated voters. I don't think there's much room to throw stone there.
Of the ones I recognize, they all would fall into the first half of that statement.While there are some celebs that are committed to their beliefs no matterPerhaps, perhaps not. Do you think that any of the people in the list ab are just trying to be part of the "in" crowd?
what anyone else thinks, most of them are bandwagoners who share th "beliefs" publically to be part of what they think of as the "in cr
Right, but he didn't do anything to harm the American people. He just wasn't the solution to a desire for hundreds of billions of dollars.That doesn't make any sense. There was never any obvious indicat Trump would be harmful, at least not back in 2016.Dude, Trump was telling anyone who would listen what he'd do as president.
I mean, you obviously think that you see a change in the way that celebrities have reacted to Republican presidential candidates over time; what do you think is driving that change?I suspect that they get their greasy fingers on some of the hundreds of billions of dollars that Democrats are squandering from the taxpayers.
Because what is the BFD about Trump? How's he so harmful to the healthto gain from becoming president. Where were they in 2012? Nobody anything bad to say about Romney.And that is wrong how? For whatever reason they reacted more strongly toward Trump. What exactly should prohibit them from using their clou to endorse a political candidate?
and well-being of celebrities?
Perhaps you should ask your city why they have not availed themselves some of these grants, and if they have, what's the holdup?No, I should ask the president and my US district rep. They said "all," and they signed off on it, and they got the funds, and then instead of getting the pipes replaced, we got Money Grab 2.0
Are your lead pipes on your property, or are they part of the infrastructure that feeds water to your water district as a whole? If they are on your property, I can guarantee those were not covered and
will only ever get replaced if you pay for them.
If they are part of the infrastructure, then that statememt above would lead me to believe that they should have been replaced. Do you know if your water district applied for the funds?
Did you ever see such a high volume of celebrities speaking out again political candidate before? I've seen them do it a little before, but never at this frequency.
Perhaps your candidate is not nearly as popular as you think. Perhaps
your candidate is spectacularly *un*popular.
Maybe some money from the Bipartisan Infrastructure Act (cash grab pa 1) and/or from the Build Back Better Act (cash grab part 2) is trickl down to the celebrities' pockets.
Do you have evidence of this, or are you just throwing out wild accusations?
theatrical groups which do the same. Not everyone is motivated by wealth or other quid-pro-quo arrangements.
Bon Jovi has money, sure, but the Jon Bon Jovi Soul Foundation also runs the JBJ Soul Kitchen restaurants, which are community restaurants that operate on donations only. Inability to pay does not keep anyone from dining with the same dignity and respect as paying customers. Is there
any real question as to why Trump might rub Bon Jovi the wrong way?
That would explain it, but no, Trump had nearly 1/2 of the countryDid you ever see such a high volume of celebrities speaking out political candidate before? I've seen them do it a little before never at this frequency.Perhaps your candidate is not nearly as popular as you think. Perhaps your candidate is spectacularly *un*popular.
voting for him in his re-election (maybe even slightly more than 1/2!)
Why aren't the celebrities more evenly divided, like the normal people?
There's something about Trump that threatens their livlihood, but I haven't pinpointed it yet.
I'm not taking them to civil court, but I'm taking them to moral court.Maybe some money from the Bipartisan Infrastructure Act (cash gr 1) and/or from the Build Back Better Act (cash grab part 2) is t down to the celebrities' pockets.Do you have evidence of this, or are you just throwing out wild accusations?
theatrical groups which do the same. Not everyone is motivated by wea or other quid-pro-quo arrangements.It's good to think positively like that. Maybe Bon Jovi had no clue that he'd be helping to ruin the country when he spoke those magic words
about "vote for Biden."
Bon Jovi has money, sure, but the Jon Bon Jovi Soul Foundation also r the JBJ Soul Kitchen restaurants, which are community restaurants tha operate on donations only. Inability to pay does not keep anyone from dining with the same dignity and respect as paying customers. Is ther any real question as to why Trump might rub Bon Jovi the wrong way?I didn't hear Bon Jovi complaining about Trump. Was he? I won't listen
to him anymore anyway.
Bon Jovi's probably intimidated by Trump because Trump actually helps people instead of just having them suck on his nipple.
Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-
For the leftists' puppets, however, they are not dealing with "other factors." They're just being told, by their favorite celebrities, to
mark the bubble for the money-grabbin Democrat, and there's nothing
that's going to cause deviation from those instructions either, because the media's got them under control very well. They can only make non-sensical excuses for voting Democrat. "Trump was a racist" or
"Chuck Schumer's colludin with Russia."
For the leftists' puppets, however, they are not dealing with "other factors." They're just being told, by their favorite celebrities, to mark the bubble for the money-grabbin Democrat, and there's nothing that's going to cause deviation from those instructions either, becau the media's got them under control very well. They can only make non-sensical excuses for voting Democrat. "Trump was a racist" or "Chuck Schumer's colludin with Russia.""One of the painful signs of years of dumbed-down education is how many people are unable to make a coherent argument.
They can vent their
emotions,
question other people's motives,
make bold assertion,
repeat
slogans
-- anything except reason."
-- Thomas Sowell
And then there are politically outspoken conservative celebrities you mDid any of them threaten to leave the country, or retire from performing,
remember, such as Roseanne Barr, Jon Voight, Kid Rock, Ted Nugent, Phil
Willie Robinson, Stephen Baldwin, 50 Cent, Jesse James, Mike Ditka, Sco
Baio, Kirstie Alley, James Woods, Dennis Quaid, Herschel Walker, Dr. Oz
"Diamond and Silk," Trace Adkins, Isaiah Washington, Elizabeth Hasselbe
Jack Nicklaus, Lil Wayne, Brett Favre, and more.
if Obama or Biden got elected, and also not follow through? I was specific about that above. Out of the ones I have heard of on your list, and actuallly like, I don't remember any of them doing that. The others I have either never heard of or don't follow enough to know (or care) if they did or not.
They supported Trump, which is enough to refute Aaron's nonsense.
Again, on the topic of celebs who just about every election threaten to leave the country or retire, and people who follow them, I think there isOthers liked them, though, and I am sure that some of them are smaThe Republican party has no shortage of small-minded, bigoted, ignorant
minded enough that the threat was a concern to them. However, I a
would find it easy to believe that most of those folks were not go
vote for the Republican in question anyway.
and/or uneducated voters. I don't think there's much room to throw ston
there.
plenty of room to do so.
The conversation is not about either, but about celebrities who publicly endorse political candidates, and whether they should be allowed to do so.
Of the ones I recognize, they all would fall into the first half of that statement.
So there's a double-standard, eh? Conservative celebrities are expressing their beliefs, but liberal celebrities are milking their audience? Interesting perspective, but I don't agree.
They can only make non-sensical excuses for voting Democrat. "Trump
was a racist" or "Chuck Schumer's colludin with Russia."
Doing something for nothing seems to be a totally foreign concept to you and some others here. Pre-COVID, I played bass in a band that would perform for free at local festivals and the like. We all had day jobs and had no illusions of ever making it big; we just enjoyed playing music for people to listen to. There are other community music and theatrical groups which do the same. Not everyone is motivated by wealth or other quid-pro-quo arrangements.
Perhaps your candidate is not nearly as popular as you think. Perhaps your candidate is spectacularly *un*popular.
That would explain it, but no, Trump had nearly 1/2 of the country voting for him in his re-election (maybe even slightly more than 1/2!) Why aren't the celebrities more evenly divided, like the normal people? There's something about Trump that threatens their livlihood, but I haven't pinpointed it yet.
If you were trying to refute Aaron, why were you replying to me with that list?
The conversation is not about either, but about celebrities who publicly endorse political candidates, and whether they should be allowed to do sYou responded to me, where I said I was ok with them having public political opinions, but not OK with the ones who tied public promises/threats to those opinions and then don't follow through.
Your response to ME, not Aaron, was to list a bunch of conservatives who were public about their politics, which seems odd since I am the one
that is ok with celebs expressing their opinion without making promises/threats along with them.
Sounds like you replied to the wrong person?
Since none of them that *I* know of were not following through with post-election promises or threats, I only feel certain about them.
Since you don't seem to know whether they made such threats or not, either, it seems very odd that you listed them all off to me.
Doing something for nothing seems to be a totally foreign concept to you some others here.Not it is not foreign, so long as you are not talking about politicians (who are not doing things for free).
I suspect that they get their greasy fingers on some of the hundreds billions of dollars that Democrats are squandering from the taxpayers
It couldn't possibly be a conviction of some sort or another? A desire
for a better country in terms of the way we treat the least among us?
He is harmful to the health and well-being of our country. Do you seriously think that all celebrities think only of themselves?
Grants need to be applied for. Ask your local government why you still have lead pipes despite national funding to replace them. Unless, of course, the lead pipes are on your property, in which case, why are you expecting the national government to upgrade your private property?
They defend the human smuggling industry, but they use their actingI suspect that they get their greasy fingers on some of the hund billions of dollars that Democrats are squandering from the taxpIt couldn't possibly be a conviction of some sort or another? A desir for a better country in terms of the way we treat the least among us?
skills to make ignorant people think that all the deaths at the border
are justified and that it's a coincidence that the border was better enforced under Trump policy. They *had* morons thinking that "Trump
hates Mexicans" but the new narrative is that "The migrants hate Mexicans."
He is harmful to the health and well-being of our country. Do you seriously think that all celebrities think only of themselves?They are paid what to "think" when they speak publicly, in places where the other party (Trump) is unable to defend himself against the things they say.
Grants need to be applied for. Ask your local government why you stil have lead pipes despite national funding to replace them. Unless, of course, the lead pipes are on your property, in which case, why are y expecting the national government to upgrade your private property?Thanks for that advice, but lead pipes are prevalent in my section of
the city because it's the oldest developed section (first ward.) The
city might possibly have some other districts without lead pipes, but
they are definitely a hazard in my neighborhood. However, I should not have to ask anyone for anything, because this is false advertising on whitehouse.gov.
There's something about Trump that threatens their livlihood, but I haven't pinpointed it yet.
You assume it's about personal wealth and money, but that's not necessarily the case. There are other possibilities.
the media's got them under control very well. They can only make non-sensical excuses for voting Democrat. "Trump was a racist" or "Chuck Schumer's colludin with Russia."
"One of the painful signs of years of dumbed-down education is how many people are unable to make a coherent argument. They can vent their emotions, question other people's motives, make bold assertion, repeat slogans -- anything except reason."
"One of the painful signs of years of dumbed-down education is how ma people are unable to make a coherent argument.
Despite any evidence to support their claim, many MAGA Republicans still insist that Trump won the 2020 election.
If you were trying to refute Aaron, why were you replying to me with that
list?
I was going with the flow of the conversation.
The conversation is not about either, but about celebrities who publiclYou responded to me, where I said I was ok with them having public political opinions, but not OK with the ones who tied public promises/threats to those opinions and then don't follow through.
endorse political candidates, and whether they should be allowed to do
There are empty threats on both sides. Liberals threaten to leave the country, and conservatives threaten to secede.
Since none of them that *I* know of were not following through with post-election promises or threats, I only feel certain about them.
Since you don't seem to know whether they made such threats or not, either, it seems very odd that you listed them all off to me.
Again, empty threats are made on both sides. No one has seceded yet, either.
Doing something for nothing seems to be a totally foreign concept to yoNot it is not foreign, so long as you are not talking about politicians (who are not doing things for free).
some others here.
We are talking about celebrities, and that comment was directed towards Aaron.
Every Democrat, celebrity, media personality, and reptile was freakingThere's something about Trump that threatens their livlihood, bu haven't pinpointed it yet.You assume it's about personal wealth and money, but that's not necessarily the case. There are other possibilities.
out in an unprecedented way, low and behold the biggest money grab in
the history of the confederacy.
Do you have any evidence to support your claim of widespread MAGA Republicans?"One of the painful signs of years of dumbed-down education is h people are unable to make a coherent argument.Despite any evidence to support their claim, many MAGA Republicans st insist that Trump won the 2020 election.
Which had changed.If you were trying to refute Aaron, why were you replying to me wit thatI was going with the flow of the conversation.
list?
Conservative TV, movie, and music celebrities, with large followings that we've both heard of?There are empty threats on both sides. Liberals threaten to leave the country, and conservatives threaten to secede.The conversation is not about either, but about celebrities who publiclYou responded to me, where I said I was ok with them having public political opinions, but not OK with the ones who tied public promises/threats to those opinions and then don't follow through.
endorse political candidates, and whether they should be allowed
And, to my knowledge, none of the celebrities you listed have threatened either. The only one you listed, that I recognize, that I had doubts about was Roseanne. I didn't watch her show and don't follow her close enough to know if she threatened to leave or secede or not.Since none of them that *I* know of were not following through with post-election promises or threats, I only feel certain about them. Since you don't seem to know whether they made such threats or not, either, it seems very odd that you listed them all off to me.Again, empty threats are made on both sides. No one has seceded yet, eit
So, you referred to Aaron in the plural, "you and some others here"? How many others does Aaron account for?We are talking about celebrities, and that comment was directed towards Aaron.Doing something for nothing seems to be a totally foreign concept yoNot it is not foreign, so long as you are not talking about politic (who are not doing things for free).
some others here.
They can only make non-sensical excuses for voting Democrat. "Trump
was a racist" or "Chuck Schumer's colludin with Russia."
So, wait, you are saying they vote for Chuck because a celebrity tells them that Chuck colludes with Russia?
It might be something a little more obvious than that. Democrat candidates tend to kiss up to celebrities also, and some of those celebrities probably like it and return the favor. Also, as I said before, many of their fans like it.
IIRC, Trump pretty much came out as "against the Hollywood elite" so I doubt they had much reason to warm to him.
Mike Powell wrote to REBECCA MARIE <=-
I would go as far as to say that celebrities were out in greater force
in support of Obama than they were of Biden.
Aaron Thomas wrote to Rebecca Marie <=-
The anti-Trump effort was unprecedented; there has never been this much "need" to remove and defame a president." And now these money grabs are unprecedented too. Do you think that is a coincidence?
Are you perhaps forgetting Rush Limbaugh and "Barack the Magic NNobody except for Rush Limbaugh.
Nice of you to carve out an exception, but there were many more attacks than just that.
Did you wrongly think that a few negative comments from Rush Limbaugh were going to influence an election?
"A few" negative comments, misinformation, and audience reach could have had some influence, yes. Perhaps not enough to turn the election itself, but to change the margin of victory, certainly.
Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-
I'd like to get some updates from the celebrities about when all the
good stuff is supposed to start happening. Surely we'll someday realize how Trump was ruining our country all along and how Biden fixed
everything to the best of his ability. ;)
So, you referred to Aaron in the plural, "you and some others here"? HowNot it is not foreign, so long as you are not talking about politiWe are talking about celebrities, and that comment was directed towards
(who are not doing things for free).
Aaron.
many others does Aaron account for?
Are there only three of us here? If it doesn't apply to you, it doesn't apply to you.
On 07 Sep 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Despite any evidence to support their claim, many MAGA Republicans s
insist that Trump won the 2020 election.
Do you have any evidence to support your claim of widespread MAGA Republicans?
Look at the attendance at Trump rallies.
Except I was one of the ones claiming that most celebrities, and politicians, don't do things for free, and that it was naive to think otherwise.Are there only three of us here? If it doesn't apply to you, it doesn't to you.So, you referred to Aaron in the plural, "you and some others here" HowNot it is not foreign, so long as you are not talking about politiWe are talking about celebrities, and that comment was directed towards
(who are not doing things for free).
Aaron.
many others does Aaron account for?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^Despite any evidence to support their claim, many MAGA Republi s
insist that Trump won the 2020 election.
Their attendance doesn't mean they think he won the 2020 election. I would take it more as support for future elections, and would assume (possibly wrong) that they believe in the MAGA philosophy.Do you have any evidence to support your claim of widespread MAGA Republicans?
3) The need to remove a president has never been stronger than for Richard Nixon. He set the bar.
Yea right. I live in the same country as you. Nobody wanted to beNice of you to carve out an exception, but there were many more attac than just that.Are you perhaps forgetting Rush Limbaugh and "Barack the MaNobody except for Rush Limbaugh.
labeled as a klan member for saying anything bad about the Kenyan
migrant.
You have a wild imagination. Nobody called him out for anything outsideDid you wrongly think that a few negative comments from Rush Lim were going to influence an election?"A few" negative comments, misinformation, and audience reach could h had some influence, yes. Perhaps not enough to turn the election itse but to change the margin of victory, certainly.
of AM radio.
So you're saying that you were thinking these things (such as that Obama was a Kenyan immigrant, which he wasn't), but were afraid of the consequences of speaking them out loud?
1. Plenty of people did speak them out loud on social media and
elsewhere.
2. Perhaps you should fear the consequences of spreading lies.
So now we've gone from "nobody" to "okay, just Rush Limbaugh" to "nobody outside of AM radio." Keep going, you're getting closer. How about Fox News?
So you're saying that you were thinking these things (such as that Ob was a Kenyan immigrant, which he wasn't), but were afraid of the consequences of speaking them out loud?Nobody was allowed to say anything bad about Obama, so nobody did.
1. Plenty of people did speak them out loud on social media and elsewhere.
2. Perhaps you should fear the consequences of spreading lies.
Joe's another Obama when it comes to media attention. They ain't saying nothin bad about Joe, despite all their opportunities to strike him.
So now we've gone from "nobody" to "okay, just Rush Limbaugh" to "nob outside of AM radio." Keep going, you're getting closer. How about Fo News?Fox News doesn't count. Only cable subscribers even have access to watch Fox News.
Every single broadcast channel the country plus 99% of cable
channels were "impeaching" Trump since before day 1.
Ask anyone "Remeber all those Obama jokes?" and they will say "No I don't."
Aaron Thomas wrote to Rebecca Marie <=-
I don't accept pretty much anything you said there:
1) I think that the anti-Obama effort was much worse, do you not remember the subtly racist remarks about President Obama's birth place and suggestions that he was Muslim? Obama was attacked mercilessly for things that were patently not true.
That comparison is flawed. Trump attacked Obama, yes, but nobody else
did.
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