• Re: fbi

    From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Friday, September 09, 2022 03:06:27
    Local broadcast TV channels... I see. Not unlike the local channels from which you purport to get your news. Was Soros' ownership of these local broadcast TV channels a news item on your local news?

    No, and it might not be George Soros himself doing some of these investments, but it's Soros Fund Management (but George is the one who wants to control the world, so it's hard to not blame a company with his name on it.)

    However, I can't be wrong that
    he colluded with Biden to import latinos

    How so? (Also, sounds kinda racist.)

    Joe imported the hispanics, and now his pal George, the fat ass who donated millions to Joe's campaign, has purchased 18 spanish speaking (formerly conservative) radio stations in collusion with Joe's mass human-importation of hispanics. (Sounds really racist when you look at what George & Joe are doing.)

    As far as I can tell, a company associated with Soros helped finance a third party's acquisition of these stations. That's hardly a Soros "purchase."

    Too much of a coincidence.

    so he could propagate
    Joe's border buddies.

    That doesn't even make sense. How does one "propagate buddies?"

    Importing them was the simple part, propagation involves giving them the
    proper ratios of light, heat, and humidity, and once they develop a few sets of leaves, you tell them that they're being oppressed by racist white people.

    He contributes to the campaigns of bad prosecutors. It's his way of Defunding the Police.

    What sort of prosecutors? Prosecutors aren't in charge of police budgets.

    You already know who the prosecutors are because we've talked about this before. Alvin Bragg is one of them. "Defund the Police" is a metaphor; the
    real meaning is "hurt the police any way you can." Do you think police like having weak prosecutors?

    The Joe Biden Crime Crisis is just that; a Joe Biden inspired crime crisis.

    And what exactly has Biden done to increase crime?

    Caused racial division, allowed his pals to install far-left DAs, caused an illegal migrant crisis, caused a fentanyl crisis, did nothing to combat inflation, prices are outrageous, people are stealing more. All thanks to Biden and his desire for our money.

    So Republican propaganda is a thing? And if propaganda appeals to weak-minded voters, as you've said, then people who are already conservatives must be weak-minded voters, no?

    No, but perhaps people who listen to AM radio are weak-minded voters. (Not any more weak than those who get leftist propaganda on FM radio.)

    Hannity just makes us look stupid anyway.

    No argument there. And Tucker Carlson does the same. But they're yours.

    I think they're actually yours!

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Friday, September 09, 2022 03:30:32
    How do you know that? The racists who read CNN & MSNBC don't have a comments section.

    Because racism is a conservative phenomenon. One of the core tenets of conservatives is preserving the traditional power structure, and the traditional power structure is racist.

    The "core tenets of conservatives" is jargon. We don't vote together to do racist stuff, and we don't vote together to swindle America out of the largest cash grab in the history of the United States.

    The leftists are the ones who are constantly talking about skin color. Nobody brought it up besides you.

    Or do they? The conservatives posting racist comments in the comment section sure do seem to appreciate it.

    You can't call them "conservatives." You don't know their political beliefs, because they're just there to say racist stuff.

    Peter Doocy's questions are idiotic. Also, remember Jim Acosta getting
    his press credentials revoked for asking tough questions? Peter Doocy's still there. That says everything about the difference between these two administrations.

    Jim Acosta wasn't "asking tough questions." Jim Acosta was harrassing the president. Peter Doocy's questions don't seem idiotic to me. He's helping us log white house inconsistencies so that later we can reflect on all the dishonesty. That's gonna be a fun day.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Friday, September 09, 2022 17:43:00
    There is a lot of smoke from multiple places for there to be no fi
    anywhere.
    Did you know that the idea of a scapegoat originated with the ancient Hebrews?
    That sounds anti-semetic, i.e. that they blame Soros because they are Jewish and believe in scapegoats. Is that how you meant it?

    Nobody "believes" in scapegoats. Scapegoats are what they are: innocent being sacrificed in the place of actual guilty parties.

    It still sounds anti-semetic. Aaron doesn't like Soros because of his reputation. Soros happens to be Jewish so, in your mind, Aaron saying he doesn't like Soros is anti-semetic.

    Meanwhile, you used the supposed fact that the idea of scapegoats originated with the Hebrews as a way to cast doubt on the opinion the Israeli government also has of Soros because they are Hebrews.

    That sounds more anti-semetic to me.


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  • From Rebecca Marie@1:124/5016 to Mike Powell on Friday, September 09, 2022 11:54:00
    Mike Powell wrote to Rebecca Marie <=-

    "Mr DOJ guy, I handed over five Top-Secret documents! That should make up for the 20 Top Secret documents that I'm trying to either hide or destroy, right?"

    If that is what comes out, then he was not cooperating, right?

    It's a classic case of distraction - distract the cops so they won't notice that you're destroying the evidence. If you call that co-operating, I would disagree with your definition.


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  • From Rebecca Marie@1:124/5016 to Mike Powell on Friday, September 09, 2022 11:59:00
    Mike Powell wrote to REBECCA MARIE <=-

    Trump's biggest voting bloc in 2016 were people who did not trust Hillary Clinton. When someone says the same thing over and over for 30 years, it eventually becomes part of the public consciousness. Leaders of the

    In my case, it has nothing to do with what others said. It would be
    the things that Hillary said, did, and took credit for during those 30 years that let me know she cannot be trusted.

    If you weren't within earshot of what Hillary said, or an eyewitness to
    what Hillary "did", then you are definitely listening to what others said.
    My guess is that you heard what Hllary "said, did and took credit for"
    straight from conservative-leaning media. Rush Limbaugh? Fox News?

    If you paid attention to other Democrats during the 2008 and 2016 primaries, you would know that it is not only Republican party leaders

    People get nasty during primaries. I will say one thing about the
    Republican party - at least, the Republican Party when Ronald Reagan was
    the leader - the Eleventh Commandment helped tone down the rhetoric during primaries, something that Democratic candidates simply don't understand.

    Using a private email server for government correspondence was only another example, feeding right into the fact that she is not
    trustworthy.

    That is not a fact, that is an opinion. If you can find facts that back up
    your opinion, then you'd have more credibility.


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  • From Rebecca Marie@1:124/5016 to Mike Powell on Friday, September 09, 2022 12:03:00
    Mike Powell wrote to REBECCA MARIE <=-

    So are Lee Lofaso and Bjorn Felten. If Aaron and Gregory are the same person, then they are the same person running two different boards, and they have also not made the mistake of accidentally being logged on as "Aaron" but responding as "Gregory," or vise versa. :)

    It's possible, for certain, but Lee has such a unique writing style that I think the chances are he's an individual. Perhaps Lee is the primary
    account and Bjorn is the alt?


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  • From Rebecca Marie@1:124/5016 to Jeff Thiele on Friday, September 09, 2022 12:10:00
    Jeff Thiele wrote to Rebecca Marie <=-

    Al and I have been accused of being the same person, but we both can neither confirm nor deny it.

    That said, I think Gregory and Aaron are two different people.

    Wow! I think it's pretty amazing that you turned my short post into an opportunity to slag others. Bravo!


    Gregory's posts are very wordy and condescending, using stilted English and capitalization rules known only to Gregory himself. My personal

    I don't know why, but that made me giggle!


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  • From Rebecca Marie@1:124/5016 to Gregory Deyss on Friday, September 09, 2022 12:31:00
    Gregory Deyss wrote to Rebecca Marie <=-

    I am like 90% certain that you two are different accounts for the same person.
    If you only knew, but I am so much more than "an account".
    More like 90% wrong.

    I am still not convinced.

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  • From Rebecca Marie@1:124/5016 to Aaron Thomas on Friday, September 09, 2022 12:38:00
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Rebecca Marie <=-

    I'd like to point out that Fox has not changed at all, and they are still one of the most conservative leaning of all "News" outlets this side of

    For you to say "Fox has not changed at all," you'd have to have been a loyal Fox viewer for several years. You don't seem like a Fox news type
    of person.

    That is 100% true, and I should've picked up on the fact that I was
    repeating hearsay and possible liberal-slanted media opinions. What I
    should've said is "from the clips I've seen of Fox News, it looks like they have not changed at all.


    I'm going off the subject, but I'd like to point out that this makes 3 of us, at least, conservatives who are aware of Fox News' deceptive

    Looking back at what I said, I never said "Fox changed." I'm saying
    that they are deceptive, just like the rest. Fox News is a tool for leftists, but disguised as a conservative's BFF.

    I will still disagree with this one. Fox News wouldn't do anything that
    would help out us liberals, unless they had no other choice. Like if they
    were reporting on an attempted takeover of our country or something
    similar.


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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Rebecca Marie on Saturday, September 10, 2022 06:06:18
    Hello Rebecca,

    So are Lee Lofaso and Bjorn Felten. If Aaron and Gregory are the same
    person, then they are the same person running two different boards, and
    they have also not made the mistake of accidentally being logged on as
    "Aaron" but responding as "Gregory," or vise versa. :)

    It's possible, for certain, but Lee has such a unique writing style that I think the chances are he's an individual. Perhaps Lee is the primary account and Bjorn is the alt?

    I'll never tell. :)

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to REBECCA MARIE on Saturday, September 10, 2022 10:11:00
    Mike Powell wrote to Rebecca Marie <=-

    "Mr DOJ guy, I handed over five Top-Secret documents! That should make up for the 20 Top Secret documents that I'm trying to either hide or destroy, right?"

    If that is what comes out, then he was not cooperating, right?

    It's a classic case of distraction - distract the cops so they won't notice that you're destroying the evidence. If you call that co-operating, I would disagree with your definition.

    Apparently he did not destroy the evidence. There are boxes of documents
    and they still apparently exist. It is not like he was running a personal server that housed government correspondence that he then destroyed with
    Bleach Bit.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to REBECCA MARIE on Saturday, September 10, 2022 10:12:00
    If you weren't within earshot of what Hillary said, or an eyewitness to
    what Hillary "did", then you are definitely listening to what others said.
    My guess is that you heard what Hllary "said, did and took credit for" straight from conservative-leaning media. Rush Limbaugh? Fox News?

    The Huffington Post is a good example that I have cited here multiple times. They cite her own memoirs which, as a autobiographical book, was was not written by Rush or anyone from Fox News.

    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-honduras-coup-memoirs_us_ 56e34161e4b0b25c91820a08

    Oh, wait, don't tell me... the Huff Post is conservative now?

    Using a private email server for government correspondence was only another example, feeding right into the fact that she is not trustworthy.

    That is not a fact, that is an opinion. If you can find facts that back up your opinion, then you'd have more credibility.

    Wait, so you believe it is not a fact that she had a private server that she used for government correspondence? At least Jeff is smart enough not to
    argue that one... he only argues what was on it.

    Jeff and I both work/have worked for the government, so we both know that keeping government correspondence on non-government servers/media is a no-no.
    I sign documents saying I won't do such things as doing so is a breach of the citizen's trust that can get me fired or put in jail.

    I am certain that breaching trust is, by definition, untrustworthy.

    The documents I sign are pretty black and white. The definition of untrustworthy is readily available in any dictionary. I don't see an opinion there.

    So now I will wait for your message telling me that, as a former First Lady
    and SoS, she should be held to a lesser standard than Jeff or I when it
    comes to mishandling government information.

    And, yes, I do believe that Trump's mishandling casts a similar shadow on
    any political future he might have.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Mike Powell on Saturday, September 10, 2022 20:17:15
    It still sounds anti-semetic. Aaron doesn't like Soros because of his reputation. Soros happens to be Jewish so, in your mind, Aaron saying he doesn't like Soros is anti-semetic.

    Jeff got lost on his way to morals school, and missed the important lesson about: Don't put color to things, especially not skin color

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Rebecca Marie on Saturday, September 10, 2022 20:36:39
    Looking back at what I said, I never said "Fox changed." I'm saying that they are deceptive, just like the rest. Fox News is a tool for leftists, but disguised as a conservative's BFF.

    I will still disagree with this one. Fox News wouldn't do anything that would help out us liberals, unless they had no other choice. Like if they were reporting on an attempted takeover of our country or something similar.

    Fox News is bait for the conservatives. The cable companies carry it.

    What's that tell you? Why would they own all of the media except for Fox?

    It's a communications protocol that the leftists are able to use with psychological conditioning. They have this so that they can brainwash conservative sheep in a subtle way. They aren't telling us "Vote against all Democrats because they're all monsters!" but they're telling us stuff like "There's gonna be a red wave. Democrats are expected to lose really bad."

    What's that subtle brainwashing do? It makes conservatives think "It's ok if I don't vote, the red wave's got me covered."

    That's just 1 thing though. Who knows what else they're doing to us? Maybe
    Mike Lindell's pillows are made of asbestos? I'm not trusting them or their sponsors anymore.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Sunday, September 11, 2022 10:32:00
    What's that subtle brainwashing do? It makes conservatives think "It's ok if I
    don't vote, the red wave's got me covered."

    I would not take their message and assume that.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Gregory Deyss on Monday, August 29, 2022 04:31:04
    If you recall, it was also fox news that hoped on and joined the fakenews media bandwagon on election night with questionable analysis and reporting. This whole entire fiasco concerning the raid is designed for

    I'm going off the subject, but I'd like to point out that this makes 3 of us, at least, conservatives who are aware of Fox News' deceptive reporting. Shame on them! They're trying to gain our trust so that they manipulate us like the leftists get manipulated by the leftist news.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Monday, August 29, 2022 05:00:42
    Good luck with that. Trump has essentially admitted that he broke the
    law. And then he ran his mouth, egging the DOJ on to do things he didn't think they would do, but they called his bluff.

    Who cares if Trump broke the law though? Only leftists! What's a leftist though? A leftist is one of those things that the media creates. Why would
    they want to create leftists? The media creates em so that they can reinforce leftist power and better guard and control all squandered loot.

    I still don't have my lead pipes fixed yet, but we can all be happy now that the Democrats have fixed our global warming problem. Never again shall global warming be an issue, because Democrats just fixed it by running off with all the cash.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, August 29, 2022 07:17:57
    On 29 Aug 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    Good luck with that. Trump has essentially admitted that he broke the law. And then he ran his mouth, egging the DOJ on to do things he did think they would do, but they called his bluff.
    Who cares if Trump broke the law though? Only leftists! What's a leftist though? A leftist is one of those things that the media creates. Why
    would they want to create leftists? The media creates em so that they
    can reinforce leftist power and better guard and control all squandered loot.

    Only leftists care if Trump broke the law? That's an interesting, and
    telling, bit of fiction. And what is the Mar-a-Lago scandal about, if not squandered loot? Trump took government property that wasn't his to take,
    after all. Nice bit of projection, though.

    I still don't have my lead pipes fixed yet, but we can all be happy now that the Democrats have fixed our global warming problem. Never again shall global warming be an issue, because Democrats just fixed it by running off with all the cash.

    No, they didn't. They made a historic, if tiny, dent in it by actually giving
    a sh!t about the future of our species and planet. And they didn't "run off with" any cash.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, August 29, 2022 07:26:55
    On 29 Aug 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    If you recall, it was also fox news that hoped on and joined the fake media bandwagon on election night with questionable analysis and reporting. This whole entire fiasco concerning the raid is designed f
    I'm going off the subject, but I'd like to point out that this makes 3
    of us, at least, conservatives who are aware of Fox News' deceptive reporting. Shame on them! They're trying to gain our trust so that they manipulate us like the leftists get manipulated by the leftist news.

    At some point, Fox "News" stopped telling you only what you wanted to hear and couldn't ignore the truth any longer. They're still deceptive, incredibly biased, and very conservative -- just not enough for your tastes anymore. Fox News hasn't changed; some of its audience has. Look at you -- you're
    perfectly ok with an ex-president breaking the law without consequences, as long as said ex-president is a Republican.

    "We can't have someone in the Oval Office who doesn't understand the
    meaning of the word confidential or classified." -- Donald Trump

    "On political corruption, we are going to restore honor to our government. In my administration, I'm going to enforce all laws concerning the protection of classified information. No one will be above the law." -- Donald Trump

    Jeff.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Monday, August 29, 2022 10:54:00
    On 28 Aug 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    If the truth ever comes out, I think we are going to find that there were
    many parties who were involved in "Russian dis-information" that were not
    Russians.

    Are you saying now, in 2022, that there was no Russian interference in the 2016 election?

    No.

    Are you saying that it was in fact the American government
    disseminating obviously pro-Trump disinformation?

    Not necessarily the government, but certainly members of one of the two
    major political parties involved in our government.

    I specifically mentioned Hillary Clinton. In the leadup to the 2020
    election, Democratic candidate Tulsi Gabbard said some things during a
    debate that got her a lot of attention but that also made HRC look bad.
    Soon, there was a rumor that one of the Democratic candidates "with a
    military background" was involved with Russia. No names, but pretty
    obviously Gabbard.

    A couple of years later, Gabbard says something publicly again that makes Clinton and other mainstream Democrats sound bad. Soon after, Hillary resurfaced the rumor again, naming Gabbard specifically.

    Now, an example where it becomes apparent a government entity was involved
    in hiding something... "the Biden laptop is Russian misinformation" and does not exist, even though we are already in possession of it.

    So, we already know that some of the "Russian disinformation/collussion"
    came from parties that are not Russian.

    How many times are the Democrats/FBI going to cry "Wolf!" (or maybe, "Bear!") with "Russian misinformation/collussion" before people realize it is not
    always true? When that happens (as it already has for many of us), when is
    it going to be true, in a way we really do need to worry about, and the majority of people are going to be desensitized to it?


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Monday, August 29, 2022 10:40:00
    Trump demanded that the DOJ release the affidavit justifying the search warrant, because if they refused he could inject doubt into the situation. But they did release the affitavit, at his request. And it was incriminating.

    It was also heavily redacted.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Monday, August 29, 2022 10:55:00
    Who cares if Trump broke the law though? Only leftists!

    I would say more people than that. To win in 2016, Trump needed
    Independents to vote for him, and for Democrats to also cross parties and
    vote for him. Not as many did in 2020 so he lost.

    I would suspect that many of those Independents include people who are skeptical of our established government and that want people who obey the
    law. If I were a betting man, I would bet that they care whether or not
    Trump broke the law, just like I would bet that several want to know if he
    was really cooperating or not, and also want to know what the government
    really has on him.

    I believe even more so that any potentially wayward Democrat voters are
    going to need to know that he was not breaking the law.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Monday, August 29, 2022 10:24:39
    On 29 Aug 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    Are you saying that it was in fact the American government
    disseminating obviously pro-Trump disinformation?
    Not necessarily the government, but certainly members of one of the two major political parties involved in our government.

    I see.

    I specifically mentioned Hillary Clinton. In the leadup to the 2020 election, Democratic candidate Tulsi Gabbard said some things during a debate that got her a lot of attention but that also made HRC look bad. Soon, there was a rumor that one of the Democratic candidates "with a military background" was involved with Russia. No names, but pretty obviously Gabbard.

    Clinton said that Russia was "grooming" Gabbard for a third-party run, specifically mentioning not collusion but the same kind of foreign social
    media support that Trump received in 2016. Gabbard had notably split with her party over policy on Russia, taking several pro-Putin stances.

    Now, an example where it becomes apparent a government entity was
    involved in hiding something... "the Biden laptop is Russian misinformation" and does not exist, even though we are already in possession of it.

    The laptop itself is not Russian misinformation; it exists. The rumors of
    what it contains, though... that is speculation that the Russians tried to exploit.

    So, we already know that some of the "Russian disinformation/collussion" came from parties that are not Russian.

    The disinformation itself? It sounds more like you're saying that the accusations of disinformation/collusion came from parties that are not
    Russian, not the disinformation itself.

    How many times are the Democrats/FBI going to cry "Wolf!" (or maybe, "Bear!") with "Russian misinformation/collussion" before people realize
    it is not always true? When that happens (as it already has for many of us), when is it going to be true, in a way we really do need to worry about, and the majority of people are going to be desensitized to it?

    The Russians are constantly trying to meddle in our politics, just as we
    meddle in the politics of other nations. Assuming they aren't is never a good idea.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Monday, August 29, 2022 10:25:19
    On 29 Aug 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    Trump demanded that the DOJ release the affidavit justifying the search warrant, because if they refused he could inject doubt into the situatio But they did release the affitavit, at his request. And it was incrimina
    It was also heavily redacted.

    It was, for national security reasons, but there was enough information left
    to convey the gist of it.

    Jeff.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Dale Shipp on Monday, August 29, 2022 22:25:49
    Hello Dale,

    You are not only comparing apples and oranges, you are comparing a
    raison to an elephant or a blue whale. Jan 6 invasion was several
    orders of magnitude greater severity than the existence of emails on a
    private server.

    You just stepped in it... (check the bottom of those shoes) a private
    server? Was this data ever permitted to be on a private server and was
    it additionally her personal property to do as she wished? I think not
    in both cases. Apples and Oranges aside, it's time for the harvest.

    You completely avoided the comparison. What sort of data did she put on that server? How was it classified? Who had access to the data?

    James Comey knows. And Hillary Clinton admitted it was a case of
    poor judgement on her part. As a result, she was forgiven.

    Compare that to the hundreds of classified documents that Trump had in
    an insecure locker, with classifications from Confidential to Top Secret SCI. All of what he had there belonged in the National Archives. He
    lied about the presence of the material to authorities and told them
    that there was no more classified material -- and then the FBI found 15+ boxes with a lot of classified material. Some of the material found
    could have comprimized assets and cost them their life.

    What crime was she charged with? I seem to have fotgotten.
    And what about Hunter Biden? What crime was he charged with?
    I sure hope I am not coming up with early onset of dementia ...

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, August 29, 2022 19:01:47
    On 29 Aug 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...

    800
    If you recall, it was also fox news that hoped on and joined the fake media bandwagon on election night with questionable analysis and reporting. This whole entire fiasco concerning the raid is designed f

    I'm going off the subject, but I'd like to point out that this makes 3
    of us, at least, conservatives who are aware of Fox News' deceptive reporting. Shame on them! They're trying to gain our trust so that they manipulate us like the leftists get manipulated by the leftist news.

    Oh it is more then just ok my friend, no need to speak to "issues being off subject." (such a thing is what lefties say) to claim intellectual superiority, but fail to see the insanity and the calamity of who they say "They are doing an awesome job." It is agreeable that we see eye to eye.
    You're absolutely right and spot on concerning the deceptive reporting on election night. My thoughts at this moment was, WTF is this?
    "This IS the same network as Sean Hannity and Laura Ingraham as well as
    |The Great One| Mark Levin?"

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Gregory Deyss on Monday, August 29, 2022 19:52:27
    On 29 Aug 2022, Gregory Deyss said the following...
    You're absolutely right and spot on concerning the deceptive
    reporting on election night. My thoughts at this moment was, WTF is
    this? "This IS the same network as Sean Hannity and Laura Ingraham as
    well as |The Great One| Mark Levin?"

    Fox News' reporting on election night was not deceptive. They reported that Biden won Arizona, and Biden did in fact win Arizona.

    You seem to have a fundamental issue with determining cause and effect. Biden did not win Arizona because Fox News reported that he did; Fox News reported that he won Arizona because the chances of him not winning it became
    extremely small, small enough for them to confidently call it. Correctly.

    That the reporting did not match your expected outcome in Arizona was not deceptive reporting. It was a result of your expected outcome being wrong. Reporting that tells you something different from what you want to hear is
    not deceptive. It's only deceptive if it's leading you to believe something
    is true that isn't.

    Jeff.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Mike Powell on Tuesday, August 30, 2022 09:43:41
    Hello Mike,

    Trump demanded that the DOJ release the affidavit justifying the search
    warrant, because if they refused he could inject doubt into the situation.
    But they did release the affitavit, at his request. And it was
    incriminating.

    It was also heavily redacted.

    Big surprise.

    Now go pout some more, crybaby.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Mike Powell on Tuesday, August 30, 2022 09:43:55
    Hello Mike,

    Who cares if Trump broke the law though? Only leftists!

    I would say more people than that. To win in 2016, Trump needed Independents to vote for him, and for Democrats to also cross parties and vote for him. Not as many did in 2020 so he lost.

    Hillary Clinton beat Donald Trump by over 3 million votes in 2016.
    Joe Biden beat Donald Trump by over 7 million votes in 2020.
    Joe Biden would beat Donald Trump by twice that many votes in 2024.

    Best thing Donald Trump can do for himself is retire from politics.

    I would suspect that many of those Independents include people who are skeptical of our established government and that want people who obey the law.

    A legal and lawful search of Trump's home revealed the former
    president to have broken many laws. His upcoming trials will show
    beyond a reasonable doubt he belongs in prison.

    If I were a betting man, I would bet that they care whether or not
    Trump broke the law,

    The case(s) against Trump grows stronger as time goes on ...

    just like I would bet that several want to know if he was really cooperating
    or not, and also want to know what the government really has on him.

    Not to worry. His goose is cooked. Only a matter of time until
    he is given his orange wardrobe.

    I believe even more so that any potentially wayward Democrat voters are going to need to know that he was not breaking the law.

    President Joe Biden will not grant Donald Trump a pardon.
    Although some would like him to do that, as doing so would
    guarantee him an easy win for a second consecutive term
    in 2024.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Mike Powell on Tuesday, August 30, 2022 08:31:52
    Mike Powell wrote to JEFF THIELE <=-

    How many times are the Democrats/FBI going to cry "Wolf!" (or maybe, "Bear!") with "Russian misinformation/collussion" before people realize
    it is not always true? When that happens (as it already has for many
    of us), when is it going to be true, in a way we really do need to
    worry about, and the majority of people are going to be desensitized to it?

    I think that most people (well, the ones who can think, anyway) have already tuned out the Democrat Russia hoaxes. It's only the "vote blue no matter who" crowd that still listens to this BS.


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  • From Rebecca Marie@1:124/5016 to Ron L. on Tuesday, August 30, 2022 11:18:00
    Ron L. wrote to Gregory Deyss <=-

    Trump was very close to implementing something that would effectively eliminate the fireproof-ness of many in the Bureaucracy. The Elitists have been staffing the Burueaucracy with their operatives for a long
    time now. Then when they get power, they have been pushing (unconstitutionally) power over to them. If Trump gets a second term, that whole mess will be dismantled.

    ...

    What color is the sky in your world?



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  • From Rebecca Marie@1:124/5016 to Gregory Deyss on Tuesday, August 30, 2022 11:22:00
    Gregory Deyss wrote to Mike Powell <=-

    However when the layers of lies are peeled back the real truth is
    reveled that there was never any Russian dis-information concerning
    these particulars as the FBI censored the story about Hunter Biden's Laptop, because they had possession the Hunter Biden laptop since 2019. The FBI lied to the American people to protect this shit-stain of a President Joseph Robinette Biden Jr.

    How in the world did you not mention President Obama and the Clintons in
    your conspiracy theorist rant there? And maybe the military releasing UFO information? And the new world order? You missed so many chances there!



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  • From Rebecca Marie@1:124/5016 to Gregory Deyss on Tuesday, August 30, 2022 11:32:00
    Gregory Deyss wrote to Jeff Thiele <=-

    Is that why you two are so concerned about how it makes Trump look,
    rather than what Trump actually did?

    Not concerned whatsoever, because of my immunity to delusional
    liberalism and I guarantee you that this immunity extends to my
    Brothers and Sisters.

    I totally and completely believe you are immune to "delusional liberalism", your personal delusions are so all-encompassing that your mind has no space
    to process other delusions.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Tuesday, August 30, 2022 03:05:54
    Only leftists care if Trump broke the law? That's an interesting, and telling, bit of fiction. And what is the Mar-a-Lago scandal about, if not squandered loot? Trump took government property that wasn't his to take, after all. Nice bit of projection, though.

    Taxpayers should be concerned about how "Democrats are wasting hundreds of billions of dollars," but instead, the left is programming them to think about how "Trump took hundreds of billions of documents!"

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Tuesday, August 30, 2022 03:18:57
    At some point, Fox "News" stopped telling you only what you wanted to
    hear and couldn't ignore the truth any longer. They're still deceptive,

    How do you know this? The same way that you know everything? Nobody would have ever guessed that you've been studying the evolution of Fox News all this time.

    incredibly biased, and very conservative -- just not enough for your tastes anymore. Fox News hasn't changed; some of its audience has. Look

    The Fox News audience has changed?? That's news to me. How has it changed?

    at you -- you're perfectly ok with an ex-president breaking the law without consequences, as long as said ex-president is a Republican.

    I don't care what ex presidents do. This is meant as a distraction from all
    the terrible stuff that Democrats (who are still in office) are doing.

    "On political corruption, we are going to restore honor to our
    government. In my administration, I'm going to enforce all laws
    concerning the protection of classified information. No one will be
    above the law." -- Donald Trump

    Aren't you glad that he didn't fulfill that promise? Hillary would be in jail.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Mike Powell on Tuesday, August 30, 2022 03:35:35
    Who cares if Trump broke the law though? Only leftists!

    I would say more people than that. To win in 2016, Trump needed Independents to vote for him, and for Democrats to also cross parties and vote for him. Not as many did in 2020 so he lost.

    I don't know anyone like that (Independents and/or liberals who voted for Trump) but I understand what you're saying, and surely they exist.

    But now you think they have buyer's remorse? Why would they care so much that they voted for a document-thief? There's nothing they can do to reverse the damage. Maybe they'll start voting Democrat again? (But then they'll have other stuff turn up missing!)

    I believe even more so that any potentially wayward Democrat voters are going to need to know that he was not breaking the law.

    But that's only if we want him back again, right?

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Tuesday, August 30, 2022 16:07:57
    On 30 Aug 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    Only leftists care if Trump broke the law? That's an interesting, and telling, bit of fiction. And what is the Mar-a-Lago scandal about, if squandered loot? Trump took government property that wasn't his to ta after all. Nice bit of projection, though.
    Taxpayers should be concerned about how "Democrats are wasting hundreds
    of billions of dollars," but instead, the left is programming them to think about how "Trump took hundreds of billions of documents!"

    The money is not being wasted. Trump broke the law.

    Are you certain that you aren't being "programmed" to think about Biden's legislative successes instead of Trump's crimes?

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Tuesday, August 30, 2022 16:17:00
    On 30 Aug 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    At some point, Fox "News" stopped telling you only what you wanted to hear and couldn't ignore the truth any longer. They're still deceptiv
    How do you know this? The same way that you know everything? Nobody
    would have ever guessed that you've been studying the evolution of Fox News all this time.

    Because you called them "deceptive" for reporting that Biden won Arizona.
    Biden did win Arizona, that's obviously not what you wanted to hear, and you decided they must be deceptive. It's not too hard to figure out.

    Also, you used to defend Fox News, but don't so much anymore.

    incredibly biased, and very conservative -- just not enough for your tastes anymore. Fox News hasn't changed; some of its audience has. Lo
    The Fox News audience has changed?? That's news to me. How has it
    changed?

    Some of Fox News' audience became more radically right-wing during Trump's presidency. There were always a far-right, of course, but Trump bringing them into the fold moved the GOP more toward the far-right. Fox News did not make that move.

    at you -- you're perfectly ok with an ex-president breaking the law without consequences, as long as said ex-president is a Republican.
    I don't care what ex presidents do. This is meant as a distraction from all the terrible stuff that Democrats (who are still in office) are
    doing.

    No one is above the law. Trump said so himself.

    "On political corruption, we are going to restore honor to our government. In my administration, I'm going to enforce all laws concerning the protection of classified information. No one will be above the law." -- Donald Trump
    Aren't you glad that he didn't fulfill that promise? Hillary would be in jail.

    Hillary was investigated and found not to have done anything prosecutable. Trump is still being investigated. There are a number of important
    differences in their situations, chief among them whether they sought to obstruct justice by misleading investigators.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Tuesday, August 30, 2022 16:27:46
    On 30 Aug 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    But now you think they have buyer's remorse? Why would they care so much that they voted for a document-thief? There's nothing they can do to reverse the damage. Maybe they'll start voting Democrat again? (But then they'll have other stuff turn up missing!)

    There is plenty that can be done to prevent further damage, and many of the documents have been recovered. Also, Trump needs to serve as an example to future presidents that they are not above the law.

    Do you think murderers should go free because "there's nothing they can do to reverse the damage?"

    Jeff.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Gregory Deyss on Tuesday, August 30, 2022 20:43:37
    eye. You're absolutely right and spot on concerning the deceptive reporting on election night. My thoughts at this moment was, WTF is
    this? "This IS the same network as Sean Hannity and Laura Ingraham as
    well as |The Great One| Mark Levin?"

    Fox News is as useless as the rest of the media, but Peter Doocy has been asking excellent questions at the WH press briefings.

    It's creepy when someone (Fox) who you thought you could trust is suddenly trying to help the left. They do it more subtly usually.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Jeff Thiele on Tuesday, August 30, 2022 22:53:30
    On 29 Aug 2022, Jeff Thiele said the following...

    On 29 Aug 2022, Gregory Deyss said the following...
    You're absolutely right and spot on concerning the deceptive reporting on election night. My thoughts at this moment was, WTF is this? "This IS the same network as Sean Hannity and Laura Ingraham as well as |The Great One| Mark Levin?"

    Fox News' reporting on election night was not deceptive. They reported that Biden won Arizona, and Biden did in fact win Arizona.

    You seem to have a fundamental issue with determining cause and effect. Biden did not win Arizona because Fox News reported that he did; Fox
    News reported that he won Arizona because the chances of him not winning it became extremely small, small enough for them to confidently call it. Correctly.

    That the reporting did not match your expected outcome in Arizona was not deceptive reporting. It was a result of your expected outcome being
    wrong. Reporting that tells you something different from what you want
    to hear is not deceptive. It's only deceptive if it's leading you to believe something is true that isn't.

    The real question is are you happy with a Biden Win and are you happy with the outcome of the Presidential election?

    I indicated very early on that the Biden Presidency would be train wreck.
    It's fine if we still see things very differently.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Rebecca Marie on Tuesday, August 30, 2022 23:06:37
    On 30 Aug 2022, Rebecca Marie said the following...

    Gregory Deyss wrote to Mike Powell <=-

    However when the layers of lies are peeled back the real truth is reveled that there was never any Russian dis-information concerning these particulars as the FBI censored the story about Hunter Biden's Laptop, because they had possession the Hunter Biden laptop since 201 The FBI lied to the American people to protect this shit-stain of a President Joseph Robinette Biden Jr.

    How in the world did you not mention President Obama and the Clintons in your conspiracy theorist rant there? And maybe the military releasing UFO information? And the new world order? You missed so many chances there!

    What I mentioned is not conspiracy theory - at all, it so happens to be the truth.
    As far as little green men are concerned you would be looking to Men like me to protect you, because you and your liberal friends don't have any means protect yourselves.
    Where I and my Conservative Brothers and Sisters are armed to the teeth.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Wednesday, August 31, 2022 08:31:14
    Hello Aaron,

    at you -- you're perfectly ok with an ex-president breaking the law
    without consequences, as long as said ex-president is a Republican.

    I don't care what ex presidents do.

    So, whatever Jimmy Carter did while in office, or since he left
    office, is of no concern to you.

    Ronald Reagan is dead. So he doesn't count.

    George H.W. Bush is dead. So he doesn't count.

    And whatever Bill Clinton did while in office, or since he left
    office, is of no concern to you.

    And whatever George W. Bush did while in office, or since he left
    office, is of no concern to you.

    And whatever Barack Obama did while in office, or since he left
    office, is of no concern to you.

    And whatever Donald Trump did while in office, or since he left
    office, is of no concern to you.

    After all, presidets are above the law. What they do while
    in office, or since they leave office, should be of no concern
    to anybody. That is what you believe.

    This is meant as a distraction from all the terrible stuff that Democrats (who are still in office) are doing.

    Now you are saying a president is above the law, but only if
    he is a Republican? And that this should not be a concern to you,
    or to anybody else? My, my, you are deluded. Truly deluded ...

    "On political corruption, we are going to restore honor to our
    government. In my administration, I'm going to enforce all laws
    concerning the protection of classified information. No one will be
    above the law." -- Donald Trump

    Aren't you glad that he didn't fulfill that promise? Hillary would be in jail.

    On what charges? To date, she has been charged with how many crimes?
    Name them. If you can. And while you are at it, tell me about all the
    charges against Hunter Biden. Oh, that's right. Can't find any having
    been filed against him, either. No surprise there. But keep trying.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Jeff Thiele on Wednesday, August 31, 2022 08:31:22
    Hello Jeff,

    There is plenty that can be done to prevent further damage, and many of the
    documents have been recovered. Also, Trump needs to serve as an example to future presidents that they are not above the law.

    We have never sent a president, or former president, to prison.
    We have never even charged a president, or former president, with
    a crime of any kind. So why should we start now? As Trump said
    during his campaign for president in 2020, he could shoot someone
    on Fifth Avenue in New York City and get away it. Do you think he
    was lying?

    Do you think murderers should go free because "there's nothing they can do to reverse the damage?"

    How is that a reason, or even an excuse, to murdering them in our
    name by execution (regardless of means)? Revenge is not justice.
    Just an excuse, and a sorry one at that, to see someone dead.

    Today we no longer bother with state of federal executions.
    Whenever there is a mass shooting, whether at a school or a
    shopping mall, the alleged shooter is never taken alive.
    All the victims are dead, aside from perhaps a small handful
    of survivors who never dispute what happened. And the alleged
    shooter being dead as a doornail, either by his/her own hand
    or those sent to carry out the execution.

    There are some rare exceptions to this. But those folks are always
    found to be mental cases and are sent to places where they can be
    given the help for their condition they so desperately need.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Wednesday, August 31, 2022 08:40:18
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Jeff Thiele <=-

    Taxpayers should be concerned about how "Democrats are wasting hundreds
    of billions of dollars," but instead, the left is programming them to think about how "Trump took hundreds of billions of documents!"

    Yup. Standard Elitist tactic: misdirection.
    Get people to focus on a meaningless topic so they will ignore the meaningful ones.

    In this case, they want people to forget how badly the Ignorant Elite screwed people over during the scamdemic, how prices keep going up, etc.

    It will work, but only for the Ignorant Elite. But those people can't think for themselves anyway.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Gregory Deyss on Wednesday, August 31, 2022 07:12:08
    On 30 Aug 2022, Gregory Deyss said the following...
    You're absolutely right and spot on concerning the deceptive reporting on election night. My thoughts at this moment was, WTF this? "This IS the same network as Sean Hannity and Laura Ingrah well as |The Great One| Mark Levin?"
    Fox News' reporting on election night was not deceptive. They reporte that Biden won Arizona, and Biden did in fact win Arizona.
    The real question is are you happy with a Biden Win and are you happy
    with the outcome of the Presidential election?

    That has absolutely nothing to do with whether Fox News' reporting on
    election night was deceptive or not.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Gregory Deyss on Wednesday, August 31, 2022 07:14:11
    On 30 Aug 2022, Gregory Deyss said the following...
    As far as little green men are concerned you would be looking to Men
    like me to protect you, because you and your liberal friends don't have any means protect yourselves.

    And out comes the misogyny.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Lee Lofaso on Wednesday, August 31, 2022 07:19:15
    On 31 Aug 2022, Lee Lofaso said the following...
    Do you think murderers should go free because "there's nothing they c to reverse the damage?"
    How is that a reason, or even an excuse, to murdering them in our
    name by execution (regardless of means)? Revenge is not justice.
    Just an excuse, and a sorry one at that, to see someone dead.

    I did not mention the death penalty, with which I also disagree. Death is not the only possible punishment for murder.

    Today we no longer bother with state of federal executions.
    Whenever there is a mass shooting, whether at a school or a
    shopping mall, the alleged shooter is never taken alive.
    All the victims are dead, aside from perhaps a small handful
    of survivors who never dispute what happened. And the alleged
    shooter being dead as a doornail, either by his/her own hand
    or those sent to carry out the execution.

    Hmm. Recent events would seem to disprove this. A number of mass shooters
    have been taken alive.

    There are some rare exceptions to this. But those folks are always
    found to be mental cases and are sent to places where they can be
    given the help for their condition they so desperately need.

    There are quite a few exceptions, with many being sentenced to prison or
    death.

    Jeff.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Jeff Thiele on Wednesday, August 31, 2022 09:40:31
    On 31 Aug 2022, Jeff Thiele said the following...

    The real question is are you happy with a Biden Win and are you happy with the outcome of the Presidential election?

    That has absolutely nothing to do with whether Fox News' reporting on election night was deceptive or not.
    What would you know of deceptive actions or tendencies?
    What I have gathered from these past few months is that everything that this administration is doing or will do in the future is totally normal.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Jeff Thiele on Wednesday, August 31, 2022 09:42:26
    On 31 Aug 2022, Jeff Thiele said the following...

    On 30 Aug 2022, Gregory Deyss said the following...
    As far as little green men are concerned you would be looking to Men like me to protect you, because you and your liberal friends don't ha any means protect yourselves.

    And out comes the misogyny.
    How typical... more labels applied, all because you can not understand.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Wednesday, August 31, 2022 16:54:00
    I specifically mentioned Hillary Clinton. In the leadup to the 2020 election, Democratic candidate Tulsi Gabbard said some things during a debate that got her a lot of attention but that also made HRC look bad. Soon, there was a rumor that one of the Democratic candidates "with a military background" was involved with Russia. No names, but pretty obviously Gabbard.

    Clinton said that Russia was "grooming" Gabbard for a third-party run, specifically mentioning not collusion but the same kind of foreign social media support that Trump received in 2016. Gabbard had notably split with her party over policy on Russia, taking several pro-Putin stances.

    HRC went farther than that with her second (or more?) go at Gabbard.
    Gabbard had publicly split from the HRC wing of the party on many things
    that put her at odds with HRC.

    Now, an example where it becomes apparent a government entity was involved in hiding something... "the Biden laptop is Russian misinformation" and does not exist, even though we are already in possession of it.

    The laptop itself is not Russian misinformation; it exists. The rumors of what it contains, though... that is speculation that the Russians tried to exploit.

    The existence of the laptop itself was passed off as "russian
    misinformation" by some, and simple "misinformation" by others, in both
    cases by persons/groups who knew otherwise.

    So, we already know that some of the "Russian disinformation/collussion" came from parties that are not Russian.

    The disinformation itself? It sounds more like you're saying that the accusations of disinformation/collusion came from parties that are not Russian, not the disinformation itself.

    If the accusations are themselves disinformation, and the accusations are
    of "Russian disinformation," then the "Russian disinformation" came from parties that are not Russian.

    Maybe I should call it "'Russian disinformation' disinformation," but, either way, it is still disinformation.

    How many times are the Democrats/FBI going to cry "Wolf!" (or maybe, "Bear!") with "Russian misinformation/collussion" before people realize it is not always true? When that happens (as it already has for many of us), when is it going to be true, in a way we really do need to worry about, and the majority of people are going to be desensitized to it?

    The Russians are constantly trying to meddle in our politics, just as we meddle in the politics of other nations. Assuming they aren't is never a good idea.

    I would agree, but assuming that every call if it is true is also horrible.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to RON L. on Wednesday, August 31, 2022 17:02:00
    How many times are the Democrats/FBI going to cry "Wolf!" (or maybe, "Bear!") with "Russian misinformation/collussion" before people realize it is not always true? When that happens (as it already has for many
    of us), when is it going to be true, in a way we really do need to
    worry about, and the majority of people are going to be desensitized to it?

    I think that most people (well, the ones who can think, anyway) have already tuned out the Democrat Russia hoaxes. It's only the "vote blue no matter who"
    crowd that still listens to this BS.

    I would agree we are likely close to that point already.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Wednesday, August 31, 2022 17:06:00
    I would say more people than that. To win in 2016, Trump needed Independents to vote for him, and for Democrats to also cross parties and
    vote for him. Not as many did in 2020 so he lost.

    I don't know anyone like that (Independents and/or liberals who voted for Trump) but I understand what you're saying, and surely they exist.

    But now you think they have buyer's remorse? Why would they care so much that they voted for a document-thief? There's nothing they can do to reverse the damage. Maybe they'll start voting Democrat again? (But then they'll have othe
    stuff turn up missing!)

    If they voted for him in 2016 and did not in 2020, they already had their buyer's remorse on another issue. Breaking the law could be what cancels
    out their 2020 Biden buyer's remorse and leads them to vote "D" again.

    I believe even more so that any potentially wayward Democrat voters are going to need to know that he was not breaking the law.

    But that's only if we want him back again, right?

    Yes, only if they have convinced themselves that Biden and Harris are not
    the way.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to GREGORY DEYSS on Wednesday, August 31, 2022 17:12:00
    Gregory Deyss wrote to Jeff Thiele <=-

    Not concerned whatsoever, because of my immunity to delusional
    liberalism and I guarantee you that this immunity extends to my
    Brothers and Sisters.

    I don't have any brothers, but my sisters are very much "city girls" and
    are very much not immune to (classic) liberalism and today's outright
    leftism. Then again, one of them (who lives in Louisville) had no idea who Briana Taylor was or that there were protests/riots in the downtown of her
    city in 2020. I have not asked, but she probably has no idea who George
    Floyd was, either.

    But she does know that Trump is a bad orange man. Her older sisters tell
    her that much anyway.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Wednesday, August 31, 2022 17:19:00
    Hillary was investigated and found not to have done anything prosecutable.

    Because the evidence was destroyed.

    Trump is still being investigated. There are a number of important differences in their situations, chief among them whether they sought to obstruct justice by misleading investigators.

    ... and whether or not they destroyed the evidence of their justice obstruction.

    HRC 1, Trump 0


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Wednesday, August 31, 2022 19:38:00
    As far as little green men are concerned you would be looking to Men like me to protect you, because you and your liberal friends don't have any means protect yourselves.

    And out comes the misogyny.

    you left off the part where he says his brothers *and sisters* will be protecting us.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Gregory Deyss on Wednesday, August 31, 2022 19:51:02
    On 31 Aug 2022, Gregory Deyss said the following...
    The real question is are you happy with a Biden Win and are you h with the outcome of the Presidential election?
    That has absolutely nothing to do with whether Fox News' reporting on election night was deceptive or not.
    What would you know of deceptive actions or tendencies?

    Enough to know that Fox News' reporting on election night 2020 wasn't deceptive, that's for sure.

    What I have gathered from these past few months is that everything that this administration is doing or will do in the future is totally normal.

    Ok, whatever that means. What is "normal?"

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Gregory Deyss on Wednesday, August 31, 2022 19:52:56
    On 31 Aug 2022, Gregory Deyss said the following...
    As far as little green men are concerned you would be looking to like me to protect you, because you and your liberal friends don any means protect yourselves.
    And out comes the misogyny.
    How typical... more labels applied, all because you can not understand.

    I understand perfectly. And your statement was misogynistic.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Wednesday, August 31, 2022 19:58:21
    On 31 Aug 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    Clinton said that Russia was "grooming" Gabbard for a third-party run, specifically mentioning not collusion but the same kind of foreign socia media support that Trump received in 2016. Gabbard had notably split wit party over policy on Russia, taking several pro-Putin stances.
    HRC went farther than that with her second (or more?) go at Gabbard. Gabbard had publicly split from the HRC wing of the party on many things that put her at odds with HRC.

    What exactly did HRC say?

    Now, an example where it becomes apparent a government entity was involved in hiding something... "the Biden laptop is Russian misinformation" and does not exist, even though we are already in possession of it.
    The laptop itself is not Russian misinformation; it exists. The rumors o what it contains, though... that is speculation that the Russians tried exploit.
    The existence of the laptop itself was passed off as "russian misinformation" by some, and simple "misinformation" by others, in both cases by persons/groups who knew otherwise.

    There is a laptop, that is certain. Whether it belonged to Hunter Biden some years ago and contains incriminating information of some vague nature is speculation.

    So, we already know that some of the "Russian disinformation/collus came from parties that are not Russian.
    The disinformation itself? It sounds more like you're saying that the accusations of disinformation/collusion came from parties that are not Russian, not the disinformation itself.
    If the accusations are themselves disinformation, and the accusations are of "Russian disinformation," then the "Russian disinformation" came from parties that are not Russian.

    The accusations of "Russian disinformation" are not "Russian disinformation" unless they came from the Russians.

    Maybe I should call it "'Russian disinformation' disinformation," but, either way, it is still disinformation.

    Or is it? Russians have been, and still are, busy spreading disinformation
    via social media.

    How many times are the Democrats/FBI going to cry "Wolf!" (or maybe "Bear!") with "Russian misinformation/collussion" before people rea it is not always true? When that happens (as it already has for ma us), when is it going to be true, in a way we really do need to wor about, and the majority of people are going to be desensitized to i
    The Russians are constantly trying to meddle in our politics, just as we meddle in the politics of other nations. Assuming they aren't is never a idea.
    I would agree, but assuming that every call if it is true is also horrible.

    Facebook had data on Russian disinformation during the leadup to the 2016 election, and said that the posts regarding Hunter Biden's laptop were very similar. I'd think they would know.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Wednesday, August 31, 2022 20:09:27
    On 31 Aug 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    Hillary was investigated and found not to have done anything prosecutabl
    Because the evidence was destroyed.

    The purge was not done to destroy evidence. Evidence of HRC keeping
    government correspondence on a private email server was abundant. Otherwise, how do you know that anything happened?

    Trump is still being investigated. There are a number of important differences in their situations, chief among them whether they sought to obstruct justice by misleading investigators.
    ... and whether or not they destroyed the evidence of their justice obstruction.

    The purge was not done to destroy evidence.

    HRC 1, Trump 0

    Jared and Ivanka also used private email servers for government
    correspondence, until they were told to stop. Which they apparently did, and neither of them suffered any consequences.

    What Trump did, and is doing, is on a whole other level.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Wednesday, August 31, 2022 20:10:38
    On 31 Aug 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    As far as little green men are concerned you would be looking to Me like me to protect you, because you and your liberal friends don't any means protect yourselves.
    And out comes the misogyny.
    you left off the part where he says his brothers *and sisters* will be protecting us.

    He also capitalized "Men."

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Wednesday, August 31, 2022 20:17:28
    On 31 Aug 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    As far as little green men are concerned you would be looking to Me like me to protect you, because you and your liberal friends don't any means protect yourselves.
    And out comes the misogyny.
    you left off the part where he says his brothers *and sisters* will be protecting us.

    Also, he seems to assume that liberals are unarmed and helpless in order to make himself feel more Manly-Man. That's not misogynistic, but somewhere between ignorant and stupid.

    Jeff.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Jeff Thiele on Thursday, September 01, 2022 06:25:06
    Hello Jeff,

    Do you think murderers should go free because "there's nothing they
    c
    to reverse the damage?"

    How is that a reason, or even an excuse, to murdering them in our
    name by execution (regardless of means)? Revenge is not justice.
    Just an excuse, and a sorry one at that, to see someone dead.

    I did not mention the death penalty, with which I also disagree. Death is not the only possible punishment for murder.

    Society has a legitimate right to defend itself from those who would
    do harm. But since we have the means, and the facilities, to keep those
    persons who are dangerous to us locked up indefinitely, there is no
    need for any further action to be taken.

    Today we no longer bother with state of federal executions.
    Whenever there is a mass shooting, whether at a school or a
    shopping mall, the alleged shooter is never taken alive.
    All the victims are dead, aside from perhaps a small handful
    of survivors who never dispute what happened. And the alleged
    shooter being dead as a doornail, either by his/her own hand
    or those sent to carry out the execution.

    Hmm. Recent events would seem to disprove this.

    There are some exceptions to the rule. But most want to go out
    in a blaze of glory. Or for whatever other reason of their own.

    A number of mass shooters have been taken alive.

    Timothy McVeigh almost got away with what he did. If not for one
    bystander who recognized him as he was leaving town, he would have
    been free as a bird.

    But McVeigh's weapon of choice was a U-Haul-it loaded with fertizer
    rather than an AR-15. Much easier to blow things up rather than to take
    out folks one by one.

    There are some rare exceptions to this. But those folks are always
    found to be mental cases and are sent to places where they can be
    given the help for their condition they so desperately need.

    There are quite a few exceptions, with many being sentenced to prison or death.

    Almost all are already dead. And those who survive, other than
    John Hinkley, are executed by the state. Even if they are a total
    nutcase.

    For Life,
    Lee

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    Food for the Fun of It

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Jeff Thiele on Thursday, September 01, 2022 06:25:14
    Hello Jeff,

    As far as little green men are concerned you would be looking GD>to Men
    like me to protect you, because you and your liberal friends GD>don't have any means protect yourselves.

    And out comes the misogyny.

    My favorite Martian. Still with us after all these years ...

    For Life,
    Lee

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    Everybody Loves Our Buns

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Gregory Deyss on Thursday, September 01, 2022 08:05:46
    Gregory Deyss wrote to Jeff Thiele <=-

    And out comes the misogyny.

    How typical... more labels applied, all because you can not understand.

    "One of the painful signs of years of dumbed-down education is how many people are unable to make a coherent argument. They can vent their emotions, question other people's motives, make bold assertion, repeat slogans -- anything except reason."
    -- Thomas Sowell


    ... A nudist has no reason to fear a pickpocket.
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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Ron L. on Thursday, September 01, 2022 16:42:08
    They can vent their emotions, question
    other people's motives, make bold assertion, repeat slogans -- anything except reason.

    And you and your MAGA crowd, of course, would never condescend to such actions?


    --
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    ..

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Thursday, September 01, 2022 16:46:00
    The existence of the laptop itself was passed off as "russian misinformation" by some, and simple "misinformation" by others, in both cases by persons/groups who knew otherwise.

    There is a laptop, that is certain. Whether it belonged to Hunter Biden some years ago and contains incriminating information of some vague nature is speculation.

    Its existence, i.e. that there was a laptop, was originally portrayed in
    the media as "misinformation."


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Thursday, September 01, 2022 17:00:00
    On 31 Aug 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    As far as little green men are concerned you would be looking to M
    like me to protect you, because you and your liberal friends don't
    any means protect yourselves.
    And out comes the misogyny.
    you left off the part where he says his brothers *and sisters* will be protecting us.

    He also capitalized "Men."

    He also capitalized "Sisters." He capitalizes a lot of words where I would
    not so I don't read much into that.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Thursday, September 01, 2022 17:03:00
    On 31 Aug 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    As far as little green men are concerned you would be looking to M
    like me to protect you, because you and your liberal friends don't
    any means protect yourselves.
    And out comes the misogyny.
    you left off the part where he says his brothers *and sisters* will be protecting us.

    Also, he seems to assume that liberals are unarmed and helpless in order to make himself feel more Manly-Man. That's not misogynistic, but somewhere between ignorant and stupid.

    I don't know why he assumed it, but it is certainly not a 100% fool-proof assumption.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Thursday, September 01, 2022 16:39:14
    On 01 Sep 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    The existence of the laptop itself was passed off as "russian misinformation" by some, and simple "misinformation" by others, in cases by persons/groups who knew otherwise.
    There is a laptop, that is certain. Whether it belonged to Hunter Biden years ago and contains incriminating information of some vague nature is speculation.
    Its existence, i.e. that there was a laptop, was originally portrayed in the media as "misinformation."

    No, it wasn't. That the laptop in question was Hunter Biden's was.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Thursday, September 01, 2022 16:49:08
    On 01 Sep 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    He also capitalized "Men."
    He also capitalized "Sisters." He capitalizes a lot of words where I would not so I don't read much into that.

    I take it as an emphasis. A weird one, but an emphasis.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Thursday, September 01, 2022 16:50:31
    On 01 Sep 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    Also, he seems to assume that liberals are unarmed and helpless in order make himself feel more Manly-Man. That's not misogynistic, but somewhere between ignorant and stupid.
    I don't know why he assumed it, but it is certainly not a 100% fool-proof assumption.

    Nope. But then again, he did get rather upset about purple mannequins wearing BLM shirts, so...

    Jeff.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Jeff Thiele on Thursday, September 01, 2022 20:59:57
    On 31 Aug 2022, Jeff Thiele said the following...

    On 31 Aug 2022, Gregory Deyss said the following...
    The real question is are you happy with a Biden Win and are with the outcome of the Presidential election?
    That has absolutely nothing to do with whether Fox News' reporti election night was deceptive or not.
    What would you know of deceptive actions or tendencies?

    Enough to know that Fox News' reporting on election night 2020 wasn't deceptive, that's for sure.

    What I have gathered from these past few months is that everything th this administration is doing or will do in the future is totally norm

    Ok, whatever that means. What is "normal?"

    Oh c'mon man, even I know you better then that.
    You bleed freely for everything that this bonehead biden has ever
    stuttered. Your also in denial, just as much as the Whitehouse or that pathetic Karine Jean-Pierre, who claims that illegals are not walking into the U.S.
    when there is video evidence to state otherwise. "Here's the deal" there is
    no way defending that. It's absurd and completely out of touch, specially
    when there is video evidence for foreign nationals walking into the U.S. like they own the place.
    Greg

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Jeff Thiele on Thursday, September 01, 2022 21:13:26
    On 31 Aug 2022, Jeff Thiele said the following...

    On 31 Aug 2022, Gregory Deyss said the following...
    As far as little green men are concerned you would be looki like me to protect you, because you and your liberal friend any means protect yourselves.
    And out comes the misogyny.
    How typical... more labels applied, all because you can not understan

    I understand perfectly. And your statement was misogynistic.
    Liberal labels are just like liberal tears, they dry quickly and are just as irrelevant.
    You opinion is the least of my concerns.
    You are and have been of the mindset that you did not appreciate or find any value in America First, Building a Wall along the Southern Border between the U.S. and Mexico or any of many accomplishments of the Trump Administration of which I have posted here previously.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Gregory Deyss on Thursday, September 01, 2022 22:16:55
    On 01 Sep 2022, Gregory Deyss said the following...
    The real question is are you happy with a Biden Win and with the outcome of the Presidential election?
    That has absolutely nothing to do with whether Fox News' re election night was deceptive or not.
    What would you know of deceptive actions or tendencies?
    Enough to know that Fox News' reporting on election night 2020 wasn't deceptive, that's for sure.
    What I have gathered from these past few months is that everythi this administration is doing or will do in the future is totally
    Ok, whatever that means. What is "normal?"
    Oh c'mon man, even I know you better then that.
    You bleed freely for everything that this bonehead biden has ever stuttered. Your also in denial, just as much as the Whitehouse or that pathetic Karine Jean-Pierre, who claims that illegals are not walking
    into the U.S. when there is video evidence to state otherwise.

    Refugees seeking asylum are walking into the U.S. Refugees seeking asylum are not "illegals." And this has nothing to do with whether Fox News' reporting
    on election night were deceptive or not. You are frantically trying to change the subject.

    It's absurd and completely out
    of touch, specially when there is video evidence for foreign nationals walking into the U.S. like they own the place.

    Is there, then? Would this have also been the case under Trump?

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Gregory Deyss on Thursday, September 01, 2022 22:22:36
    On 01 Sep 2022, Gregory Deyss said the following...
    I understand perfectly. And your statement was misogynistic.
    Liberal labels are just like liberal tears, they dry quickly and are
    just as irrelevant.

    Whatever, man. Your statement was misogynistic.

    You are and have been of the mindset that you did not appreciate or find any value in America First, Building a Wall along the Southern Border between the U.S. and Mexico or any of many accomplishments of the Trump Administration of which I have posted here previously.

    America is a melting pot, open to all who are suffering. "Americe First" is a blasphemy.

    Jeff.

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  • From Rebecca Marie@1:124/5016 to Mike Powell on Thursday, September 01, 2022 19:11:00
    Mike Powell said to Gregory Deyss: <=-

    DJT was cooperating with the authorities with these alleged documents
    that he

    If he was cooperating and had not broken off talks, like the DoJ claims, then that should come out and would be in his favor.

    "Mr DOJ guy, I handed over five Top-Secret documents! That should make up
    for the 20 Top Secret documents that I'm trying to either hide or destroy, right?"

    -- Bex <3
    "HEY! Dum-dum. You give me gum-gum."
    "Night at the Museum"
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  • From Rebecca Marie@1:124/5016 to Aaron Thomas on Thursday, September 01, 2022 19:15:00
    Aaron Thomas said to Jeff Thiele: <=-

    Who cares if Trump broke the law though? Only leftists! What's a leftist though? A leftist is one of those things that the media creates. Why
    would they want to create leftists? The media creates em so that they
    can reinforce leftist power and better guard and control all squandered loot.

    You really should read your posts before sending them, that might help you realize just how non-sensical the things that you write are.

    Or wait.... Was your post satire?

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  • From Rebecca Marie@1:124/5016 to Mike Powell on Thursday, September 01, 2022 19:22:00
    Mike Powell said to Aaron Thomas: <=-

    I would say more people than that. To win in 2016, Trump needed Independents to vote for him, and for Democrats to also cross parties
    and vote for him. Not as many did in 2020 so he lost.

    Trump's biggest voting bloc in 2016 were people who did not trust Hillary Clinton. When someone says the same thing over and over for 30 years, it eventually becomes part of the public consciousness. Leaders of the
    Republican party had been saying for decades that Hillary could not be
    trusted.

    Voters were already biased to see Hillary as untrustworthy. Once her emails came to light, feeding right into the narrative that Hillary was crooked,
    the election was basically finished.

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  • From Rebecca Marie@1:124/5016 to Ron L. on Thursday, September 01, 2022 19:24:00
    Ron L. said to Mike Powell: <=-

    I think that most people (well, the ones who can think, anyway) have already tuned out the Democrat Russia hoaxes. It's only the "vote blue
    no matter who" crowd that still listens to this BS.

    Well, you can think about theoretical non-Democrats who think the same
    thing you do. Just like I can think that it's finally my time and I'm
    winning the lottery this weekend.

    Both are just about as TRUE.

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  • From Rebecca Marie@1:124/5016 to Aaron Thomas on Thursday, September 01, 2022 19:35:00
    Aaron Thomas said to Gregory Deyss: <=-

    I'm going off the subject, but I'd like to point out that this makes 3
    of us, at least, conservatives who are aware of Fox News' deceptive reporting. Shame on them! They're trying to gain our trust so that they manipulate us like the leftists get manipulated by the leftist news.

    I'd like to point out that Fox has not changed at all, and they are still
    one of the most conservative leaning of all "News" outlets this side of
    OAN. The problem is that there are some lies that even Fox won't get
    behind, but you've bought into the lies hook, line and sinker. Rather than accept that the narrative might not be completely true, you'll turn on the people and organizations that challenges those.


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  • From Rebecca Marie@1:124/5016 to Gregory Deyss on Thursday, September 01, 2022 19:39:00
    Gregory Deyss said to Aaron Thomas: <=-

    Oh it is more then just ok my friend, no need to speak to "issues being
    off subject." (such a thing is what lefties say) to claim intellectual superiority, but fail to see the insanity and the calamity of who they
    say "They are doing an awesome job." It is agreeable that we see eye to

    I am like 90% certain that you two are different accounts for the same
    person.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to REBECCA MARIE on Friday, September 02, 2022 15:20:00
    DJT was cooperating with the authorities with these alleged documents
    that he

    If he was cooperating and had not broken off talks, like the DoJ claims, then that should come out and would be in his favor.

    "Mr DOJ guy, I handed over five Top-Secret documents! That should make up
    for the 20 Top Secret documents that I'm trying to either hide or destroy, right?"

    If that is what comes out, then he was not cooperating, right?


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to REBECCA MARIE on Friday, September 02, 2022 15:37:00
    I would say more people than that. To win in 2016, Trump needed Independents to vote for him, and for Democrats to also cross parties
    and vote for him. Not as many did in 2020 so he lost.

    Trump's biggest voting bloc in 2016 were people who did not trust Hillary Clinton. When someone says the same thing over and over for 30 years, it eventually becomes part of the public consciousness. Leaders of the Republican party had been saying for decades that Hillary could not be trusted.

    In my case, it has nothing to do with what others said. It would be the
    things that Hillary said, did, and took credit for during those 30 years
    that let me know she cannot be trusted.

    If you paid attention to other Democrats during the 2008 and 2016
    primaries, you would know that it is not only Republican party leaders that called her trustworthiness into question.

    Voters were already biased to see Hillary as untrustworthy. Once her emails came to light, feeding right into the narrative that Hillary was crooked,
    the election was basically finished.

    Using a private email server for government correspondence was only another example, feeding right into the fact that she is not trustworthy.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Friday, September 02, 2022 15:38:00
    On 01 Sep 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    He also capitalized "Men."
    He also capitalized "Sisters." He capitalizes a lot of words where I would not so I don't read much into that.

    I take it as an emphasis. A weird one, but an emphasis.

    So you noticed he emphasized "Men" but not "Sisters." Interesting.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to REBECCA MARIE on Friday, September 02, 2022 15:47:00
    Gregory Deyss said to Aaron Thomas: <=-

    Oh it is more then just ok my friend, no need to speak to "issues being off subject." (such a thing is what lefties say) to claim intellectual superiority, but fail to see the insanity and the calamity of who they say "They are doing an awesome job." It is agreeable that we see eye to

    I am like 90% certain that you two are different accounts for the same person.

    So are Lee Lofaso and Bjorn Felten. If Aaron and Gregory are the same
    person, then they are the same person running two different boards, and
    they have also not made the mistake of accidentally being logged on as
    "Aaron" but responding as "Gregory," or vise versa. :)


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Friday, September 02, 2022 15:37:50
    On 02 Sep 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    He also capitalized "Men."
    He also capitalized "Sisters." He capitalizes a lot of words where would not so I don't read much into that.
    I take it as an emphasis. A weird one, but an emphasis.
    So you noticed he emphasized "Men" but not "Sisters." Interesting.

    He said she needed "Men" like him to protect her. "Brothers and Sisters" came later. Perhaps the "Sisters" don't need "Men" like him to protect them, in
    his twisted worldview.

    Jeff.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Rebecca Marie on Friday, September 02, 2022 23:43:49
    Hello Rebecca,

    DJT was cooperating with the authorities with these alleged documents
    that he

    If he was cooperating and had not broken off talks, like the DoJ
    claims,
    then that should come out and would be in his favor.

    "Mr DOJ guy, I handed over five Top-Secret documents! That should make up for the 20 Top Secret documents that I'm trying to either hide or destroy, right?"

    Nah, he was just showing them off to his best buds, Vladimir Putin
    and Little Rocket Man.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Rebecca Marie on Friday, September 02, 2022 23:43:55
    Hello Rebecca,

    Who cares if Trump broke the law though? Only leftists! What's a
    leftist
    though? A leftist is one of those things that the media creates. Why
    would they want to create leftists? The media creates em so that they
    can reinforce leftist power and better guard and control all squandered
    loot.

    You really should read your posts before sending them, that might help you realize just how non-sensical the things that you write are.

    Or wait.... Was your post satire?

    Trump did say he could shoot someone on 5th Avenue in Manhattan
    and get away with it ...

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Rebecca Marie on Friday, September 02, 2022 23:44:01
    Hello Rebecca,

    [..]

    Voters were already biased to see Hillary as untrustworthy. Once her emails
    came to light, feeding right into the narrative that Hillary was crooked, the election was basically finished.

    The 2016 election was decided by a few thousand votes, in a small
    handful of states, tilting the electoral college in Trump's favor.

    The 2020 election was no contest, with Joe Biden winning hands down
    in both the popular vote and electoral college.

    Hillary Clinton received 3 million votes more than Donald Trump.
    Joe Biden received 7 million votes more than Donald Trump.

    Goes to show you how (un)popular Donald Trump is.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Rebecca Marie on Friday, September 02, 2022 17:11:36
    On 01 Sep 2022, Rebecca Marie said the following...
    Oh it is more then just ok my friend, no need to speak to "issues bein off subject." (such a thing is what lefties say) to claim intellectual superiority, but fail to see the insanity and the calamity of who they say "They are doing an awesome job." It is agreeable that we see eye t
    I am like 90% certain that you two are different accounts for the same person.

    Al and I have been accused of being the same person, but we both can neither confirm nor deny it.

    That said, I think Gregory and Aaron are two different people.

    Gregory's posts are very wordy and condescending, using stilted English and capitalization rules known only to Gregory himself. My personal opinion is
    that he's trying to imitate the highfalutin' blather of his hero, Rush Limbaugh, but is failing on the finer points.

    Aaron's posts are more sane-sounding, but just as delusional. He alternates between caring for the fate of "his" country and only being concerned about what he sees in his own neighborhood, depending on how cornered he is. He has
    a low grasp of number theory, probability theory, and statistics, which leads him to inherently distrust anything with a number in it as well as use
    numbers in ways that are unconventional, to put it mildly. He also has difficulty with set theory.

    Jeff.

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  • From MATT MUNSON@1:218/109 to Lee Lofaso on Friday, September 02, 2022 17:30:09
    Hillary Clinton received 3 million votes more than Donald Trump.
    Joe Biden received 7 million votes more than Donald Trump.

    Popular vote does not matter, electoral college is the rules of the game. Popular vote may give a mandate to a president, but it does not elect them.

    ... How do I set my laser printer to stun?

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to MATT MUNSON on Friday, September 02, 2022 17:39:34
    Hillary Clinton received 3 million votes more than Donald Trump.
    Joe Biden received 7 million votes more than Donald Trump.

    Popular vote does not matter, electoral college is the rules of the game. Popular vote may give a mandate to a president, but it does not elect them.

    The large print giveth.. and the small print taketh away.. ;)

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to MATT MUNSON on Friday, September 02, 2022 21:07:54
    On 02 Sep 2022, MATT MUNSON said the following...
    Hillary Clinton received 3 million votes more than Donald Trump.
    Joe Biden received 7 million votes more than Donald Trump.
    Popular vote does not matter, electoral college is the rules of the game. Popular vote may give a mandate to a president, but it does not elect them.

    And Trump lost them both.

    Jeff.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Wednesday, August 31, 2022 01:55:41
    Taxpayers should be concerned about how "Democrats are wasting hundre of billions of dollars," but instead, the left is programming them to think about how "Trump took hundreds of billions of documents!"

    The money is not being wasted. Trump broke the law.

    Those are the 2 most important narratives for the leftists. Nevermind anything else.

    Are you certain that you aren't being "programmed" to think about Biden's legislative successes instead of Trump's crimes?

    A president's success would benefit the American people, so Biden don't have any of those yet.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Wednesday, August 31, 2022 02:13:43
    How do you know this? The same way that you know everything? Nobody would have ever guessed that you've been studying the evolution of Fo News all this time.

    Because you called them "deceptive" for reporting that Biden won Arizona. Biden did win Arizona, that's obviously not what you wanted to hear, and you decided they must be deceptive. It's not too hard to figure out.

    You have too much confidence in yourself. I hardly care what Fox says about
    the elections, because they've been full of it all along. Their "polls" are fake (or faulty.) They've been trying to control conservatives but they suck
    at it; it's some kind of lousy Fauci experiment and the conservative viewers are the beagle pups.

    Also, you used to defend Fox News, but don't so much anymore.

    I'll always defend Mark Levin & Dan Bongino but the rest of those people are undercover leftists.

    The Fox News audience has changed?? That's news to me. How has it changed?

    Some of Fox News' audience became more radically right-wing during
    Trump's presidency. There were always a far-right, of course, but Trump bringing them into the fold moved the GOP more toward the far-right. Fox News did not make that move.

    Thanks for the BS explanation! (I knew I was asking for BS.)

    What have "fox news viewers" done recently that was "so radical?"

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Friday, September 02, 2022 23:05:35
    On 31 Aug 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    Taxpayers should be concerned about how "Democrats are wasting h of billions of dollars," but instead, the left is programming th think about how "Trump took hundreds of billions of documents!"
    The money is not being wasted. Trump broke the law.
    Those are the 2 most important narratives for the leftists. Nevermind anything else.

    Congress has the right to collect and spend taxes to benefit the welfare of
    the people of the United States, and Trump broke the law. The fact that both
    of these benefit Democrats is not a leftist "narrative;" it is the truth.

    Are you certain that you aren't being "programmed" to think about Bid legislative successes instead of Trump's crimes?
    A president's success would benefit the American people, so Biden don't have any of those yet.

    Biden's legislative successes do benefit the American people, if not Aaron Thomas.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Friday, September 02, 2022 23:12:08
    On 31 Aug 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    How do you know this? The same way that you know everything? Nob would have ever guessed that you've been studying the evolution News all this time.
    Because you called them "deceptive" for reporting that Biden won Ariz Biden did win Arizona, that's obviously not what you wanted to hear, you decided they must be deceptive. It's not too hard to figure out.
    You have too much confidence in yourself. I hardly care what Fox says about the elections, because they've been full of it all along. Their "polls" are fake (or faulty.) They've been trying to control
    conservatives but they suck at it; it's some kind of lousy Fauci experiment and the conservative viewers are the beagle pups.

    True on all counts, except that you used to buy into it until they refused to go far enough to the right for your liking.

    Also, you used to defend Fox News, but don't so much anymore.
    I'll always defend Mark Levin & Dan Bongino but the rest of those people are undercover leftists.

    "Undercover leftists" would hardly be the general consensus of Fox News,
    and particularly of Tucker Carlson. They only appear to be "leftist" from the point of view of someone even further to the right than they are.

    The Fox News audience has changed?? That's news to me. How has i changed?
    Some of Fox News' audience became more radically right-wing during Trump's presidency. There were always a far-right, of course, but Tru bringing them into the fold moved the GOP more toward the far-right. News did not make that move.
    Thanks for the BS explanation! (I knew I was asking for BS.)

    It's not BS; it's the truth. Leftism/rightism is a spectrum.

    What have "fox news viewers" done recently that was "so radical?"

    Accused Fox News of being "leftist."

    Jeff.

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  • From Rebecca Marie@1:124/5016 to Gregory Deyss on Friday, September 02, 2022 22:58:00
    Gregory Deyss said to Rebecca Marie: <=-

    How in the world did you not mention President Obama and the Clintons in your conspiracy theorist rant there? And maybe the military releasing UFO information? And the new world order? You missed so many chances there!

    What I mentioned is not conspiracy theory - at all, it so happens to be
    the truth.

    I don't think that you understand what "the truth" means...

    As far as little green men are concerned you would be looking to Men
    like me to protect you,


    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    <deep breath>

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


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  • From Rebecca Marie@1:124/5016 to Gregory Deyss on Friday, September 02, 2022 23:10:00
    Gregory Deyss said to Jeff Thiele: <=-

    Liberal labels are just like liberal tears, they dry quickly and are
    just as irrelevant.

    You know, my youngest daughter could've won a battle of wits with you 10
    years ago, when she wasn't even in pre-school yet. Nowadays she wouldn't
    agree to have a battle of wits with you, she doesn't believe in fighting an unarmed opponent...


    You are and have been of the mindset that you did not appreciate or
    find any value in America First, Building a Wall along the Southern

    Absolutely no value in America First, and we'll be dealing with the
    blowback from it for decades. But there were dozens of people and
    construction companies that made a killing on government contracts which re-directed government funds directly into their bank accounts. Basically,
    the wall provided a master class in robbing the government.


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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to ALL on Saturday, September 03, 2022 14:26:52
    [..]

    I am like 90% certain that you two are different accounts for the same
    person.

    So are Lee Lofaso and Bjorn Felten. If Aaron and Gregory are the same person, then they are the same person running two different boards, and they have also not made the mistake of accidentally being logged on as "Aaron" but responding as "Gregory," or vise versa. :)

    What we are seeing today, right before our very eyes, is Obama's
    third term. Obama himself admitted it -

    OBAMA: "I’ve said this before, people would ask me, 'Knowing what you
    know now, do you wish you had a third term?' And I used to say, 'You
    know what, if I could make an arrangement where I had a stand-in, a
    front-man or a front-woman and they had an ear piece in and I was just
    in my basement with my sweats looking through the stuff and I could
    sort of deliver the lines, but somebody else was doing all the talking
    and ceremony, I would be fine with that.' Because I found the work
    fascinating. I mean, I write about the — even on my worst days, I found puzzling out, you know, these big, complicated, difficult issues,
    especially if you were working with some great people, to be
    professionally really satisfying. But I do not miss having to wear
    a tie every day."

    There you go. Straight from the horse's mouth. And Michelle is so
    very happy to have her man around the house to do with as she wants. :)

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Jeff Thiele on Saturday, September 03, 2022 08:48:25
    On 01 Sep 2022, Jeff Thiele said the following...

    You bleed freely for everything that this bonehead biden has ever stuttered. Your also in denial, just as much as the Whitehouse or tha pathetic Karine Jean-Pierre, who claims that illegals are not walking into the U.S. when there is video evidence to state otherwise.

    Refugees seeking asylum are walking into the U.S. Refugees seeking
    asylum are not "illegals." And this has nothing to do with whether Fox News' reporting on election night were deceptive or not. You are frantically trying to change the subject.

    A few points to made here.
    The deceptiveness that "WE" on the Right, are talking about had nothing to do with the ever growing immigration problem.
    It had to do with pundits - so called experts, that were giving their analysis on the vote count on election night and some of those, sounded a bit too much supporters of the Democratic party.

    What is the difference between refugees seeking asylum from corrupt countries with no opportunity for their families - which is why "they" are coming here
    to the U.S. but the "Land of the Free" does not mean that everything is free, but democrats sure do try their best to make that a reality.
    Why would that be Jeff?
    Are they hoping that these people become new democrats themselves?
    No one does nothing for nobody unless there is something in it for them.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Jeff Thiele on Saturday, September 03, 2022 10:10:16
    On 01 Sep 2022, Jeff Thiele said the following...

    On 01 Sep 2022, Gregory Deyss said the following...
    I understand perfectly. And your statement was misogynistic.
    Liberal labels are just like liberal tears, they dry quickly and are just as irrelevant.

    Whatever, man. Your statement was misogynistic.

    You are and have been of the mindset that you did not appreciate or f any value in America First, Building a Wall along the Southern Border between the U.S. and Mexico or any of many accomplishments of the Tru Administration of which I have posted here previously.

    America is a melting pot, open to all who are suffering. "Americe First" is a blasphemy.
    America First is not racist, unfair and is not wrong.
    here is a bit of corrective education for you and the other libtards. https://tinyurl.com/33pr2tmc

    Yup she sure is a Melting Pot, my family way back in late 1880's came to America from Germany. As did many others.
    There is a clear distinction to be made.
    My family as so many others came here to the U.S. to work hard to support
    their families and their new communities. They did not come here as
    freeloaders to get free housing, free health care, free education or a cash handout.

    Liberals (Democratic communists) are increasingly in favor of open borders to anyone who wants to enter the United States and national sovereignty be
    damned. But not that long ago they all wanted border security.

    Schumer 2009: Illegal immigration is wrong, plain and simple. He was all for spending $25 billion to secure the southern border until January of 2018.

    Hillary 2015: I voted numerous times when I was a senator to spend money to build a barrier to try to prevent illegal immigrants from coming in.

    Obama 2005: We simply cannot allow people to pour into the United States undetected, undocumented, unchecked.

    Bill Clinton 1996: His State of the Union address that year showed a striking comparison to what President Trump has said about the subject. We are a
    nation of laws.

    Dianne Feinstein 2006: Democrats are solidly behind controlling the border,
    and we support the border fence with the Secure Fence Act of 2006.

    Nancy Pelosi 2013: House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi referred to border "security as a basic principle" and urged congress to support legislation that she claimed would secure the U.S. border.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Rebecca Marie on Saturday, September 03, 2022 10:14:25
    On 01 Sep 2022, Rebecca Marie said the following...

    Gregory Deyss said to Aaron Thomas: <=-

    Oh it is more then just ok my friend, no need to speak to "issues bein off subject." (such a thing is what lefties say) to claim intellectual superiority, but fail to see the insanity and the calamity of who they say "They are doing an awesome job." It is agreeable that we see eye t

    I am like 90% certain that you two are different accounts for the same person.
    If you only knew, but I am so much more than "an account".
    More like 90% wrong.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Saturday, September 03, 2022 09:57:00
    On 01 Sep 2022, Rebecca Marie said the following...
    Oh it is more then just ok my friend, no need to speak to "issues bei
    off subject." (such a thing is what lefties say) to claim intellectua
    superiority, but fail to see the insanity and the calamity of who the
    say "They are doing an awesome job." It is agreeable that we see eye
    I am like 90% certain that you two are different accounts for the same person.

    Al and I have been accused of being the same person, but we both can neither confirm nor deny it.

    That was in jest, but I forget you don't understand humor.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to REBECCA MARIE on Saturday, September 03, 2022 10:02:00
    Absolutely no value in America First, and we'll be dealing with the

    Hmmmmm....


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to GREGORY DEYSS on Saturday, September 03, 2022 10:13:00
    It had to do with pundits - so called experts, that were giving their analysis
    on the vote count on election night and some of those, sounded a bit too much supporters of the Democratic party.

    They soon forget the number of Democrats and others who went to bed on
    election night 2016 thinking that Hillary had won because the talking heads
    on TV said she was going to, only to wake up the next morning and find out
    she had not.

    We then had four years of "not my President" BS to listen to, and some of
    the ones I knew honestly thought that Trump didn't win. Others came up
    with some less far-out, but still far-out, reasons why Hillary didn't win.

    Four years later, folks from the same side as those disillusioned
    Democrats cannot understand why Gregory claims that Biden is not his
    President. I am certain that they didn't give their fellow Democrats
    the same level of grief.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Gregory Deyss on Saturday, September 03, 2022 10:16:04
    On 03 Sep 2022, Gregory Deyss said the following...
    You bleed freely for everything that this bonehead biden has eve stuttered. Your also in denial, just as much as the Whitehouse o pathetic Karine Jean-Pierre, who claims that illegals are not wa into the U.S. when there is video evidence to state otherwise.
    Refugees seeking asylum are walking into the U.S. Refugees seeking asylum are not "illegals." And this has nothing to do with whether Fo News' reporting on election night were deceptive or not. You are frantically trying to change the subject.
    A few points to made here.
    The deceptiveness that "WE" on the Right, are talking about had nothing
    to do with the ever growing immigration problem.

    Ok. You brought it up. I said it was irrelevant. You agree that it was irrelevant. I suppose that's progress.

    It had to do with pundits - so called experts, that were giving their analysis on the vote count on election night and some of those, sounded
    a bit too much supporters of the Democratic party.

    You seem to be confusing cause and effect again. The election-night punditry did not affect the vote count; the vote count affected the election-night punditry.

    What is the difference between refugees seeking asylum from corrupt countries with no opportunity for their families - which is why "they"
    are coming here to the U.S. but the "Land of the Free" does not mean
    that everything is free, but democrats sure do try their best to make
    that a reality. Why would that be Jeff?

    Usually when one starts a sentence with "What is the difference between," two different things follow, usually separated by "and." I cannot figure out what those two things are in this sentence.

    The best I can figure out is that you're asking the difference between
    refugees seeking asylum and Democrat support for the social safety net. I
    don't even know where to start in answering that.

    Are they hoping that these people become new democrats themselves?

    Maybe they're just hoping they'll live happy, productive lives.

    No one does nothing for nobody unless there is something in it for them.

    Wow, that's quite a statement. There are a lot of examples to counter it, but I'll go with Jimmy Carter, who donates time and money to Habitat for Humanity and expects nothing in return.

    Jeff.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Jeff Thiele on Saturday, September 03, 2022 17:22:53
    Hello Jeff,

    Oh it is more then just ok my friend, no need to speak to "issues
    bein
    off subject." (such a thing is what lefties say) to claim
    intellectual
    superiority, but fail to see the insanity and the calamity of who
    they
    say "They are doing an awesome job." It is agreeable that we see
    eye t
    I am like 90% certain that you two are different accounts for the
    same
    person.

    Al and I have been accused of being the same person, but we both can neither
    confirm nor deny it.

    That said, I think Gregory and Aaron are two different people.

    Gregory's posts are very wordy and condescending, using stilted English and
    capitalization rules known only to Gregory himself. My personal opinion is that he's trying to imitate the highfalutin' blather of his hero, Rush Limbaugh, but is failing on the finer points.

    When I see President Biden awarding Gregory the Presidential Medal
    of Freedom then I will know he was right about everything he has said.

    Aaron's posts are more sane-sounding, but just as delusional. He alternates
    between caring for the fate of "his" country and only being concerned about
    what he sees in his own neighborhood, depending on how cornered he is. He has
    a low grasp of number theory, probability theory, and statistics, which leads
    him to inherently distrust anything with a number in it as well as use numbers in ways that are unconventional, to put it mildly. He also has difficulty with set theory.

    Forrest Gump, Jr. In this very forum. Who would'a guessed it?

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to MATT MUNSON on Saturday, September 03, 2022 17:23:00
    Hello Matt,

    Hillary Clinton received 3 million votes more than Donald Trump.
    Joe Biden received 7 million votes more than Donald Trump.

    Popular vote does not matter, electoral college is the rules of the game. Popular vote may give a mandate to a president, but it does not elect them.

    Al Gore beat GWB in 2000, but the USSC appointed GWB as prez.
    The closest vote in American history, with only 9 votes counted,
    GWB winning the election by 1 vote.

    The electoral college system is an anachronism, and should have been
    ditched long ago. But that does not mean the US should continue to use
    that seriously flawed system. There is nothing in the US Constitution
    that mandates it to be used, so why use it?

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Gregory Deyss on Saturday, September 03, 2022 10:28:25
    On 03 Sep 2022, Gregory Deyss said the following...
    America First is not racist, unfair and is not wrong.
    here is a bit of corrective education for you and the other libtards. https://tinyurl.com/33pr2tmc

    According to its own propaganda, "America First" calls for "a common respect for uniquely Anglo-Saxon political traditions."

    Yup she sure is a Melting Pot, my family way back in late 1880's came to America from Germany. As did many others.
    There is a clear distinction to be made.
    My family as so many others came here to the U.S. to work hard to support their families and their new communities. They did not come here as freeloaders to get free housing, free health care, free education or a cash handout.

    What is your evidence that refugees get those things for free? What
    government program(s) provide these things to refugees? The one exception I could see is a K-12 education for kids, because n educated populace benefits
    us all.

    Liberals (Democratic communists) are increasingly in favor of open
    borders to anyone who wants to enter the United States and national sovereignty be damned. But not that long ago they all wanted border security.

    What was border security like in the 1880s when your family arrived in the
    US? Were the borders more, or less, open than they are now? How did that
    affect our national sovereignty? What was the driving force behind the change in border policy? Answer those questions correctly and I think you'll have a much more accurate understanding of "America First."

    Schumer 2009: Illegal immigration is wrong, plain and simple. He was all for spending $25 billion to secure the southern border until January of 2018.

    Refugees are not illegal immigrants.

    Hillary 2015: I voted numerous times when I was a senator to spend money to build a barrier to try to prevent illegal immigrants from coming in.

    Refugees are not illegal immigrants.

    Obama 2005: We simply cannot allow people to pour into the United States undetected, undocumented, unchecked.

    Refugees are not illegal immigrants.

    Bill Clinton 1996: His State of the Union address that year showed a striking comparison to what President Trump has said about the subject. We are a nation of laws.

    Refugees are not illegal immigrants.

    Dianne Feinstein 2006: Democrats are solidly behind controlling the border, and we support the border fence with the Secure Fence Act of
    2006.

    Refugees are not illegal immigrants.

    Nancy Pelosi 2013: House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi referred to border "security as a basic principle" and urged congress to support
    legislation that she claimed would secure the U.S. border.

    Refugees are not illegal immigrants.

    Illegal immigration is a problem and does neet to be dealt with, but the solution to that problem should not be taken out on legal refugees.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Gregory Deyss on Saturday, September 03, 2022 10:29:25
    On 03 Sep 2022, Gregory Deyss said the following...
    I am like 90% certain that you two are different accounts for the sam person.
    If you only knew, but I am so much more than "an account".
    More like 90% wrong.

    Gregory and Aaron are only 10% the same person?

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Saturday, September 03, 2022 10:30:19
    On 03 Sep 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    Al and I have been accused of being the same person, but we both can nei confirm nor deny it.
    That was in jest, but I forget you don't understand humor.

    I bring it up in jest as well.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Saturday, September 03, 2022 10:52:11
    On 03 Sep 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    It had to do with pundits - so called experts, that were giving their analysis
    on the vote count on election night and some of those, sounded a bit too supporters of the Democratic party.
    They soon forget the number of Democrats and others who went to bed on election night 2016 thinking that Hillary had won because the talking heads on TV said she was going to, only to wake up the next morning and find out she had not.

    And in the morning they accepted that. The talking heads on TV were just following the numbers in real-time.

    We then had four years of "not my President" BS to listen to, and some of the ones I knew honestly thought that Trump didn't win. Others came up with some less far-out, but still far-out, reasons why Hillary didn't
    win.

    I don't know anyone who thought that Trump didn't win. Hillary lost, and of course there are reasons she lost. One of them might even have been the announcement of an FBI investigation right before the election.

    Four years later, folks from the same side as those disillusioned Democrats cannot understand why Gregory claims that Biden is not his President. I am certain that they didn't give their fellow Democrats
    the same level of grief.

    It's different because to the Democrats, at least the ones I know, "not my president" means "Yes, he's president, but I didn't vote for him and wash my hands of anything he does," whereas to people like Gregory, "not my
    president" means "He was fraudulently elected and is an illegitimate president." The difference is subtle, but see if you can spot it.

    Jeff.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Rebecca Marie on Saturday, September 03, 2022 14:28:56
    I'd like to point out that Fox has not changed at all, and they are still one of the most conservative leaning of all "News" outlets this side of OAN. The problem is that there are some lies that even Fox won't get behind, but you've bought into the lies hook, line and sinker. Rather
    than accept that the narrative might not be completely true, you'll turn on the people and organizations that challenges those.

    For you to say "Fox has not changed at all," you'd have to have been a loyal Fox viewer for several years. You don't seem like a Fox news type of person.

    I'm going off the subject, but I'd like to point out that this makes 3 of us, at least, conservatives who are aware of Fox News' deceptive reporting. Shame on them! They're trying to gain our trust so that the manipulate us like the leftists get manipulated by the leftist news.

    Looking back at what I said, I never said "Fox changed." I'm saying that they are deceptive, just like the rest. Fox News is a tool for leftists, but disguised as a conservative's BFF.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Saturday, September 03, 2022 15:42:52
    "Undercover leftists" would hardly be the general consensus of Fox News, and particularly of Tucker Carlson. They only appear to be "leftist"
    from the point of view of someone even further to the right than they
    are.

    They're "undercover leftists" because they are manipulating conservatives
    under the guise of being "the conservative channel."

    What have "fox news viewers" done recently that was "so radical?"

    Accused Fox News of being "leftist."

    And who are these "radicalized fox news viewers" that you're talking about? I'm the only person here who's accusing them of being "leftist." You can't go around saying "Fox news viewers are radicalized and the proof is in a message posted by Aaron on fidonet."

    It's not a radical change; I used to watch CNN & MSNBC. They irritated me with the Trump stuff, so I stopped watching. Now Fox News has irritated me with all their reverse psychology, so I stopped watching that too.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Saturday, September 03, 2022 11:37:05
    On 03 Sep 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    "Undercover leftists" would hardly be the general consensus of Fox Ne and particularly of Tucker Carlson. They only appear to be "leftist" from the point of view of someone even further to the right than they are.
    They're "undercover leftists" because they are manipulating conservatives under the guise of being "the conservative channel."

    BS. They're a conservative news network owned by Rupert Murdoch.

    What have "fox news viewers" done recently that was "so radical?
    Accused Fox News of being "leftist."
    And who are these "radicalized fox news viewers" that you're talking about? I'm the only person here who's accusing them of being "leftist." You can't go around saying "Fox news viewers are radicalized and the
    proof is in a message posted by Aaron on fidonet."

    According to you yourself, at least two other people in here agree with you. And now you're the only one?

    It's not a radical change; I used to watch CNN & MSNBC. They irritated
    me with the Trump stuff, so I stopped watching. Now Fox News has
    irritated me with all their reverse psychology, so I stopped watching
    that too.

    There's no reverse psychology. There's a "news" section that tries to at
    least maintain an appearance of journalistic integrity, and then there's an "entertainment" section that says whatever they want, and it's typically pro-Trump and anti-Biden, and always conservative. All in one channel.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Saturday, September 03, 2022 12:10:39
    On 03 Sep 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    I'd like to point out that Fox has not changed at all, and they are s one of the most conservative leaning of all "News" outlets this side OAN. The problem is that there are some lies that even Fox won't get behind, but you've bought into the lies hook, line and sinker. Rather than accept that the narrative might not be completely true, you'll t on the people and organizations that challenges those.
    For you to say "Fox has not changed at all," you'd have to have been a loyal Fox viewer for several years. You don't seem like a Fox news type
    of person.

    No, one wouldn't. Can you imagine any other way that a person could be
    exposed to Fox News without being a loyal viewer? Any other way that someone could get the gist of what Fox News is reporting without actually watching
    it?

    I'm going off the subject, but I'd like to point out that this ma of us, at least, conservatives who are aware of Fox News' decepti reporting. Shame on them! They're trying to gain our trust so tha manipulate us like the leftists get manipulated by the leftist ne
    Looking back at what I said, I never said "Fox changed." I'm saying that they are deceptive, just like the rest. Fox News is a tool for leftists, but disguised as a conservative's BFF.

    Fox News is owned by Rupert Murdoch. Are you claiming that Rupert Murdoch is
    a closet leftist? Or is it possible that you see everything to your left on
    the political spectrum, even other conservatives and centrists, as "leftist" because they don't agree with you?

    Also above is where you said that there were at least three of you aware of
    Fox News' "deceptive reporting." And now you're claiming elsewhere that
    you're the only one.

    Jeff.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Aaron Thomas on Saturday, September 03, 2022 23:06:33
    Hello Aaron,

    "Undercover leftists" would hardly be the general consensus of Fox
    News,
    and particularly of Tucker Carlson. They only appear to be "leftist"
    from the point of view of someone even further to the right than they
    are.

    They're "undercover leftists" because they are manipulating conservatives under the guise of being "the conservative channel."

    Sean Hannity and James Carville have gone on tour debating before
    live audiences. So why not Tucker Carlson doing the same?

    What have "fox news viewers" done recently that was "so radical?"

    Accused Fox News of being "leftist."

    And who are these "radicalized fox news viewers" that you're talking about?

    Unindicted co-conspirators of the January 6 uprising ...

    I'm the only person here who's accusing them of being "leftist." You can't go around saying "Fox news viewers are radicalized and the proof is in a message posted by Aaron on fidonet."

    Be careful. Liz Cheney and her J6 Select Committee could subpoenae you.

    It's not a radical change; I used to watch CNN & MSNBC. They irritated me with the Trump stuff, so I stopped watching. Now Fox News has irritated me with all their reverse psychology, so I stopped watching that too.

    Thank God for PBS.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Jeff Thiele on Saturday, September 03, 2022 23:06:40
    Hello Jeff,

    It had to do with pundits - so called experts, that were giving
    their
    analysis
    on the vote count on election night and some of those, sounded a
    bit too
    supporters of the Democratic party.
    They soon forget the number of Democrats and others who went to bed
    on
    election night 2016 thinking that Hillary had won because the talking
    heads on TV said she was going to, only to wake up the next morning
    and
    find out she had not.

    And in the morning they accepted that. The talking heads on TV were just following the numbers in real-time.

    James Carville conceded that Hillary Clinton lost the presidential
    election as soon as the results from Florida started coming in. That
    was long before any of the networks had called the election.

    We then had four years of "not my President" BS to listen to, and
    some of
    the ones I knew honestly thought that Trump didn't win. Others came
    up
    with some less far-out, but still far-out, reasons why Hillary didn't
    win.

    I don't know anyone who thought that Trump didn't win. Hillary lost, and of
    course there are reasons she lost. One of them might even have been the announcement of an FBI investigation right before the election.

    Hillary Clinton blamed James Comey as the reason as to why she lost
    the election. Barack Obama says she lost because she was not aggressive
    enough, playing things safe, during her campaign. But she accepted the
    fact that she had lost, and conceded the election to Trump.

    Donald Trump is probably the only person on earth who honestly
    believes he did not lose the election to Joe Biden. Even though
    81 million Americans voted to remove him from office.

    Four years later, folks from the same side as those disillusioned
    Democrats cannot understand why Gregory claims that Biden is not his
    President. I am certain that they didn't give their fellow Democrats
    the same level of grief.

    It's different because to the Democrats, at least the ones I know, "not my president" means "Yes, he's president, but I didn't vote for him and wash my
    hands of anything he does," whereas to people like Gregory, "not my president" means "He was fraudulently elected and is an illegitimate president." The difference is subtle, but see if you can spot it.

    On Thursday night, Joe Biden declared himself as being an American
    President. Not a Democratic President or a Republican President, but
    an American President.

    President Biden reminded us all that "Donald Trump and the MAGA
    Republicans represent an extremism that threatens the very foundations
    of our republic."

    Joe Biden is doing his part to defend this country, and our democracy.
    It is time for us all to do the same.

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Saturday, September 03, 2022 20:33:15
    According to you yourself, at least two other people in here agree with you. And now you're the only one?

    If we were "radicalized," then we'd be supporting Democrats, and we're not.

    There's no reverse psychology. There's a "news" section that tries to at least maintain an appearance of journalistic integrity, and then there's

    You are not a person who's been paying close attention to Fox News.

    least maintain an appearance of journalistic integrity, and then there's

    There's no journalistic integrity. Their news stories are cherry-picked,
    some of them seem fake, and their opinion stories don't match the opinions of real conservatives. Peter Doocy is the only one acting like a real conservative.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Saturday, September 03, 2022 21:34:48
    loyal Fox viewer for several years. You don't seem like a Fox news ty of person.

    No, one wouldn't. Can you imagine any other way that a person could be exposed to Fox News without being a loyal viewer? Any other way that someone could get the gist of what Fox News is reporting without
    actually watching it?

    You can get the gist but you won't see the twist.

    Fox News is owned by Rupert Murdoch. Are you claiming that Rupert
    Murdoch is a closet leftist? Or is it possible that you see everything
    to your left on the political spectrum, even other conservatives and centrists, as "leftist" because they don't agree with you?

    I assume that Rupert Murdoch is a leftist. Somebody has got to own the conservatives' attention. His son donates to liberal causes. Murdoch doesn't write the scripts for the puppets.

    Also above is where you said that there were at least three of you aware of Fox News' "deceptive reporting." And now you're claiming elsewhere
    that you're the only one.

    Three people from Fidonet doesn't equal "fox news viewers are becoming radicalized." (You've got to come out from under the trailer!)

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Saturday, September 03, 2022 17:14:55
    On 03 Sep 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    According to you yourself, at least two other people in here agree wi you. And now you're the only one?
    If we were "radicalized," then we'd be supporting Democrats, and we're not.

    Not true. Conservatives can also be radicalized. Hence the events of 1/6/21.

    There's no reverse psychology. There's a "news" section that tries to least maintain an appearance of journalistic integrity, and then ther
    You are not a person who's been paying close attention to Fox News.

    In what way am I wrong?

    least maintain an appearance of journalistic integrity, and then ther
    There's no journalistic integrity. Their news stories are cherry-picked, some of them seem fake, and their opinion stories don't match the
    opinions of real conservatives. Peter Doocy is the only one acting like
    a real conservative.

    Ah, "real conservatives." Meaning, "Aaron."

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Saturday, September 03, 2022 17:24:04
    On 03 Sep 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    loyal Fox viewer for several years. You don't seem like a Fox ne of person.
    No, one wouldn't. Can you imagine any other way that a person could b exposed to Fox News without being a loyal viewer? Any other way that someone could get the gist of what Fox News is reporting without actually watching it?
    You can get the gist but you won't see the twist.

    There is no twist. Aaron doesn't agree with Fox News' reporting; therefore
    Fox News' reporting must be deceptive is what you're saying.

    In what way is Fox News being anti-conservative? Is it that they abandoned Trump? Is support of Trump necessary to be a "real conservative?"

    Fox News is owned by Rupert Murdoch. Are you claiming that Rupert Murdoch is a closet leftist? Or is it possible that you see everythin to your left on the political spectrum, even other conservatives and centrists, as "leftist" because they don't agree with you?
    I assume that Rupert Murdoch is a leftist. Somebody has got to own the conservatives' attention. His son donates to liberal causes. Murdoch doesn't write the scripts for the puppets.

    He sets the tone for Fox News, though. And also the New York Post. He is very much a conservative, but not so much a Trumpist. Maybe that's where you're confused.

    Also above is where you said that there were at least three of you aw of Fox News' "deceptive reporting." And now you're claiming elsewhere that you're the only one.
    Three people from Fidonet doesn't equal "fox news viewers are becoming radicalized." (You've got to come out from under the trailer!)

    1. Because math.

    Jeff.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Lee Lofaso on Saturday, September 03, 2022 21:42:57
    They're "undercover leftists" because they are manipulating conservat under the guise of being "the conservative channel."

    Sean Hannity and James Carville have gone on tour debating before
    live audiences. So why not Tucker Carlson doing the same?

    Yes, you are backing up what I'm saying (again) and that is cool.

    And who are these "radicalized fox news viewers" that you're talking about?

    Unindicted co-conspirators of the January 6 uprising ...

    He was referring to me, Ron, & Greg as "radicalized fox news viewers," but I set him straight because it ain't true.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Mike Powell on Sunday, August 28, 2022 09:28:57
    On 27 Aug 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

    Even foxnews.com has reported in the past week that various levels classified documents were found. Early on anyway, even Trump was n denying that, claiming that he was working with Archives to get the turned over. That might be the crux of any potential case... wheth not he was cooperating and they raided his home anyway.

    If you recall, it was also fox news that hoped on and joined the fakenew media bandwagon on election night with questionable analysis and reporti This whole entire fiasco concerning the raid is designed for one thing a
    one
    thing only, it is to create doubt and speculation, so that the needle of
    trust
    can be moved in the negative direction against Trump.
    The Democratic Party and most of the media all share the same bed, but t
    ar
    not getting much sleep these days. Indeed they are terrified.
    Trump will be triumphant and victorious as he will overcome this, just a has done with the previous attempts from the sycophants within the liber trash media. It's time to take out the garbage!

    While I have no doubt there has been some "planned timing" of these
    recent events, if Trump really has/had possession of classified
    documents of a class that he should not have taken home with him, then I put that in the same bucket with Hillary's private email server. It was something I thought should disqualify her as being President, and the timing of these events don't make him any less guilty.

    You would think, after going off about Hillary and her server, he'd have more sense than to take such documents with him.

    DJT was cooperating with the authorities with these alleged documents that he was alleged to have at Mar-A-Logo. This raid is bigger than these alleged documents. Analysis of the real facts indicates that there are many moving gears and cogs working to drive a false narrative.

    This could be about the ego and the revenge of Merrick Garland.
    Mainly, I do believe the center focus should be on the FBI who I believe is guilty as sin with interfering with the control of information to social
    media calling it "Russian dis-information." However when the layers of lies
    are peeled back the real truth is reveled that there was never any Russian dis-information concerning these particulars as the FBI censored the story about Hunter Biden's Laptop, because they had possession the Hunter Biden laptop since 2019.
    The FBI lied to the American people to protect this shit-stain of a
    President Joseph Robinette Biden Jr.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Jeff Thiele on Sunday, August 28, 2022 09:35:18
    On 27 Aug 2022, Jeff Thiele said the following...

    On 27 Aug 2022, Ron L. said the following...
    This whole entire fiasco concerning the raid is designed
    for one thing and one thing only, it is to create doubt and speculation, so that the needle of trust can be moved in the neg direction against Trump.
    Yup. It's all about optics. It's one of the way you can spot an Elitist: They are concerned about the optics of something, not the reality.

    Is that why you two are so concerned about how it makes Trump look,
    rather than what Trump actually did?

    Not concerned whatsoever, because of my immunity to delusional liberalism and
    I guarantee you that this immunity extends to my Brothers and Sisters.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Gregory Deyss on Sunday, August 28, 2022 08:52:17
    On 28 Aug 2022, Gregory Deyss said the following...
    Yup. It's all about optics. It's one of the way you can spot a Elitist: They are concerned about the optics of something, not t reality.
    Is that why you two are so concerned about how it makes Trump look, rather than what Trump actually did?
    Not concerned whatsoever, because of my immunity to delusional
    liberalism and I guarantee you that this immunity extends to my Brothers and Sisters.

    Good luck with that. Trump has essentially admitted that he broke the law.
    And then he ran his mouth, egging the DOJ on to do things he didn't think
    they would do, but they called his bluff.

    Trump demanded that the DOJ release the Mar-a-Lago search warrant, because if they refused he could inject doubt into the situation. But they did release
    the search warrant, at his request. And it was incriminating.

    Trump demanded that the DOJ release the affidavit justifying the search warrant, because if they refused he could inject doubt into the situation.
    But they did release the affitavit, at his request. And it was incriminating.

    Trump demanded that a "Special Master" be appointed to go through the
    siezed documents which the FBI has almost assuredly already gone through, because if the demand were refused he could inject doubt into the situation. But the judge has preliminarily agreed to the appointment of a "Special Master," which will also prove incriminating because then it will be more
    than just the FBI's word against Trump (because none of us can actually see many of the siezed documents).

    But yeah, you go ahead and keep thinking that the 'liberals' are the
    delusional ones.

    Jeff.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to GREGORY DEYSS on Sunday, August 28, 2022 10:05:00
    DJT was cooperating with the authorities with these alleged documents that he was alleged to have at Mar-A-Logo. This raid is bigger than these alleged documents. Analysis of the real facts indicates that there are many moving gears and cogs working to drive a false narrative.

    If he was cooperating and had not broken off talks, like the DoJ claims,
    then that should come out and would be in his favor.

    This could be about the ego and the revenge of Merrick Garland.
    Mainly, I do believe the center focus should be on the FBI who I believe is guilty as sin with interfering with the control of information to social media calling it "Russian dis-information." However when the layers of lies are peeled back the real truth is reveled that there was never any Russian dis-information concerning these particulars as the FBI censored the story about Hunter Biden's Laptop, because they had possession the Hunter Biden laptop since 2019.

    If the truth ever comes out, I think we are going to find that there were
    many parties who were involved in "Russian dis-information" that were not Russians.

    It is also obvious now that the FBI (or someone) was covering the laptop
    story with the blanket of "Russian dis-information." The Democrats pretty
    much believe they can play that card anytime they want now because their
    target audience buys it so easily. At least one of them (HRC) has used it
    to tarnish at least one member of her own party when said member spoke
    unkindly of her campaign and record. That act alone was enough to make me skeptical about any claims of "Russian dis-information" or "collusion."

    So now when there really is "Russian collusion," does it really exist, or
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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Sunday, August 28, 2022 10:04:05
    On 28 Aug 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    If the truth ever comes out, I think we are going to find that there were many parties who were involved in "Russian dis-information" that were not Russians.

    Trump's involvement with Russian disinformation campaigns in the US may be disputed, with Trump's Attorney General Barr saying that it does not
    implicate Trump, but with the people who *wrote* the report saying that it clearly implicates Trump in (surprise, surprise!) obstruction of justice.

    However, the existence of those Russian disinformation campaigns during the lead-up to the 2016 election is not disputed by nearly anyone. It's generally agreed that, with or without collusion from Trump or his associates, the Russians did attempt to and succeed in interfering with the 2016 presidential election.

    Are you saying now, in 2022, that there was no Russian interference in the
    2016 election? Are you saying that it was in fact the American government disseminating obviously pro-Trump disinformation?

    Jeff.

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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Sunday, August 28, 2022 14:57:02
    On 08-27-22 09:31, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Dale Shipp about Re: fbi <=-

    You are not only comparing apples and oranges, you are comparing a
    raison to an elephant or a blue whale. Jan 6 invasion was several
    orders of magnitude greater severity than the existence of emails on a private server.

    You just stepped in it... (check the bottom of those shoes) a private server? Was this data ever permitted to be on a private server and was
    it additionally her personal property to do as she wished? I think not
    in both cases. Apples and Oranges aside, it's time for the harvest.

    You completely avoided the comparison. What sort of data did she put on that server? How was it classified? Who had access to the data?

    Compare that to the hundreds of classified documents that Trump had in
    an insecure locker, with classifications from Confidential to Top Secret
    SCI. All of what he had there belonged in the National Archives. He
    lied about the presence of the material to authorities and told them
    that there was no more classified material -- and then the FBI found 15+
    boxes with a lot of classified material. Some of the material found
    could have comprimized assets and cost them their life.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Dale Shipp@1:261/1466 to Gregory Deyss on Monday, August 29, 2022 00:13:00
    On 08-28-22 09:28, Gregory Deyss <=-
    spoke to Mike Powell about Re: fbi <=-

    DJT was cooperating with the authorities with these alleged documents

    He was pretending to cooperate, but in reality was just putting them
    off.

    that he was alleged to have at Mar-A-Logo. This raid is bigger than

    There is nothing alleged about the documents. He had them at Mar a
    Logo. He was not supposed to have them at Mar a Logo.

    these alleged documents. Analysis of the real facts indicates that
    there are many moving gears and cogs working to drive a false
    narrative.

    What real facts might that be? The facts are exactly what you see. He
    had documents. He claimed not to have anymore documents. The FBI
    search warrant turned up a lot of documents that he should not have had
    there.

    This could be about the ego and the revenge of Merrick Garland.
    Mainly, I do believe the center focus should be on the FBI who I
    believe is guilty as sin with interfering with the control of
    information to social media calling it "Russian dis-information."

    When you go into a "but what about" discussion, you are admitting that
    you have no real argument on the topic at hand.

    Dale Shipp
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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Mike Powell on Sunday, September 04, 2022 10:11:42
    On 03 Sep 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    They soon forget the number of Democrats and others who went to bed on election night 2016 thinking that Hillary had won because the talking heads on TV said she was going to, only to wake up the next morning and find out she had not.

    We then had four years of "not my President" BS to listen to, and some of the ones I knew honestly thought that Trump didn't win. Others came up with some less far-out, but still far-out, reasons why Hillary didn't
    win.

    Oh yes, and lets not forget about that the days and months that were prior
    to that election. It was laughter and ridicule that I received.
    They were so sure of themselves that Donald Trump would NOT be President.
    That went on for quite some time, until the smugness faded from their faces.

    Then I heard about grown-ass adults who were within grieving centers or areas known as a "Safe Spaces" with one such activity known as a therapy wall, In addition to this, there were Cry-In's sessions at Cornell and puppies and coloring books at Penn State.
    All True by the way.
    There are other examples of this delusional psychosis within the links below. https://tinyurl.com/y9pfhs7w
    https://tinyurl.com/y7kjb43s
    https://tinyurl.com/32ju8rts

    Four years later, folks from the same side as those disillusioned Democrats cannot understand why Gregory claims that Biden is not his President. I am certain that they didn't give their fellow Democrats
    the same level of grief.

    It is alright, these lefties don't know any better.
    I know that they consider themselves to be highly educated and of course that they know better. How irritating it must be to realize all that is a lie.

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  • From Gregory Deyss@1:267/150 to Jeff Thiele on Sunday, September 04, 2022 10:35:11
    On 03 Sep 2022, Jeff Thiele said the following...

    Usually when one starts a sentence with "What is the difference
    between," two different things follow, usually separated by "and." I cannot figure out what those two things are in this sentence.

    You missed the point that the
    "Land of the Free" does not mean that everything is free.

    Wow, that's quite a statement. There are a lot of examples to counter
    it, but I'll go with Jimmy Carter, who donates time and money to Habitat for Humanity and expects nothing in return.

    That is way with Philanthropy, there is nothing mysterious about that.
    The Democratic Party's interest in these poor and downtrodden hordes of illegals violating U.S. sovereignty has nothing to do with philanthropy. Indeed, they are nothing more then pawns and are expected to be tomorrow's Democrats.
    I wonder if the Democratic Party will be continuing their supportive nature
    in the future, now that a large number of Hispanics are turning away from what they see as Democratic lies.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Sunday, September 04, 2022 02:25:00
    If we were "radicalized," then we'd be supporting Democrats, and we'r not.

    Not true. Conservatives can also be radicalized. Hence the events of 1/6/21.

    You said we were "radical" because we don't like Fox anymore, but if we were
    to have a radical response, the radical response would be to begin watching something far different from Fox, something like MSNBC.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Sunday, September 04, 2022 03:09:48
    loyal Fox viewer for several years. You don't seem like a F of person.
    No, one wouldn't. Can you imagine any other way that a person co exposed to Fox News without being a loyal viewer? Any other way someone could get the gist of what Fox News is reporting without actually watching it?
    You can get the gist but you won't see the twist.

    There is no twist. Aaron doesn't agree with Fox News' reporting;
    therefore Fox News' reporting must be deceptive is what you're saying.

    I feel like I said this before, but my dissatisfaction with Fox News has
    little to do with Trump, and it has everything to do with misleading reporting.

    In what way is Fox News being anti-conservative? Is it that they
    abandoned Trump? Is support of Trump necessary to be a "real conservative?"

    It's the subtle tricks. Helping Biden win an election isn't conservative. Fox News reported a lot of misleading information around the week of Election Day. You shouldn't argue that it wasn't misleading, because a couple years back it was you who was telling me that some of that information was misleading or wrong. But now, in your quest to be right about everything, you're acting like those conversations never happened.

    It's ok to be wrong once in a while, but it's not ok to double-down after
    being proven wrong.

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Sunday, September 04, 2022 14:07:34
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Rebecca Marie <=-

    Looking back at what I said, I never said "Fox changed." I'm saying
    that they are deceptive, just like the rest. Fox News is a tool for leftists, but disguised as a conservative's BFF.

    Hence the Elitist Narrative that Fox is "convervative". Have you ever noticed how hard they push a false Narrative when people start to discover that the Narrative is false?


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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Gregory Deyss on Sunday, September 04, 2022 14:07:34
    Gregory Deyss wrote to Mike Powell <=-

    It is alright, these lefties don't know any better.
    I know that they consider themselves to be highly educated and of
    course that they know better. How irritating it must be to realize all that is a lie.

    Right our or Orwell's 1984:
    War Is Peace, Freedom Is Slavery, and Ignorance Is Strength

    The Ignorant Elitists live in a fantasy world that they are terrified of leaving. Because in the real world, they are worthless morons who are ignored by everyone.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Gregory Deyss on Sunday, September 04, 2022 13:35:06
    On 04 Sep 2022, Gregory Deyss said the following...
    Usually when one starts a sentence with "What is the difference between," two different things follow, usually separated by "and." I cannot figure out what those two things are in this sentence.
    You missed the point that the
    "Land of the Free" does not mean that everything is free.

    Of course it does not mean that everything is free. And everything is not
    free. Some of us would like certain things available to people who do not
    have the financial means to get those things for themselves, but that's
    hardly "everything."

    With your claim of Democrats wanting "everything" to be free You are trying to take the social safety net to an extreme that does not exist. You are
    having to exaggerate to make your point.

    Wow, that's quite a statement. There are a lot of examples to counter it, but I'll go with Jimmy Carter, who donates time and money to Habi for Humanity and expects nothing in return.
    That is way with Philanthropy, there is nothing mysterious about that.

    And yet, it proves that your statement that "No one does nothing for nobody unless there is something in it for them" is not the absolute truism that you presented it as. Perhaps there are other nuances and motivations that you've missed.

    The Democratic Party's interest in these poor and downtrodden hordes of illegals violating U.S. sovereignty has nothing to do with philanthropy.

    Refugees are not illegal immigrants, and they are not violating US
    sovereignty. Offering asylum to refugees is the humane thing to do.

    Indeed, they are nothing more then pawns and are expected to be
    tomorrow's Democrats.

    That's the right's narrative, of course.

    I wonder if the Democratic Party will be continuing their supportive nature in the future, now that a large number of Hispanics are turning away from what they see as Democratic lies.

    What are the Democratic lies?

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Sunday, September 04, 2022 14:31:10
    On 04 Sep 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    If we were "radicalized," then we'd be supporting Democrats, and not.
    Not true. Conservatives can also be radicalized. Hence the events of 1/6/21.
    You said we were "radical" because we don't like Fox anymore, but if we were to have a radical response, the radical response would be to begin watching something far different from Fox, something like MSNBC.

    No, I said that many on the right don't like Fox News anymore *because*
    they've become more radical, not the other way around. You asked what radical things these ex-viewers had done recently, and I cited your action of
    claiming that Fox News was some sort of liberal reverse-psychology operation, which is bizarre and untrue.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Sunday, September 04, 2022 14:44:45
    On 04 Sep 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    There is no twist. Aaron doesn't agree with Fox News' reporting; therefore Fox News' reporting must be deceptive is what you're saying
    I feel like I said this before, but my dissatisfaction with Fox News has little to do with Trump, and it has everything to do with misleading reporting.

    Misleading reporting about what, then?

    In what way is Fox News being anti-conservative? Is it that they abandoned Trump? Is support of Trump necessary to be a "real conservative?"
    It's the subtle tricks. Helping Biden win an election isn't
    conservative. Fox News reported a lot of misleading information around
    the week of Election Day. You shouldn't argue that it wasn't misleading, because a couple years back it was you who was telling me that some of that information was misleading or wrong. But now, in your quest to be right about everything, you're acting like those conversations never happened.

    Fox News didn't help Biden win (and Trump lose), but it's not about Trump, right?

    Fox News does have misleading reporting, but with a decidedly conservative bent.

    It's ok to be wrong once in a while, but it's not ok to double-down after being proven wrong.

    If you've given up on Fox News because of their deceptive conservative reporting, I could agree with you. But you're accusing them of deceptive liberal reporting, which isn't true.

    Please give an example.

    Jeff.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to GREGORY DEYSS on Monday, September 05, 2022 10:24:00
    Then I heard about grown-ass adults who were within grieving centers or areas known as a "Safe Spaces" with one such activity known as a therapy wall, In addition to this, there were Cry-In's sessions at Cornell and puppies and coloring books at Penn State.
    All True by the way.

    But Gregory, that is different because their feeling were hurt. It had
    nothing to do with some delusion that Trump was not really President.

    Yes, I am being sarcastic.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Ron L. on Monday, September 05, 2022 00:37:16
    Looking back at what I said, I never said "Fox changed." I'm saying that they are deceptive, just like the rest. Fox News is a tool for leftists, but disguised as a conservative's BFF.

    Hence the Elitist Narrative that Fox is "convervative". Have you ever noticed how hard they push a false Narrative when people start to
    discover that the Narrative is false?

    Legislation of the latest money-grab comes to mind. When Joe Manchin
    questioned the urgency for all this money, other confederates threw him under the bus. That's pushing the narrative hard. "Joe Manchin wants to defund FEMA."

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Monday, September 05, 2022 01:04:56
    You said we were "radical" because we don't like Fox anymore, but if were to have a radical response, the radical response would be to beg watching something far different from Fox, something like MSNBC.

    No, I said that many on the right don't like Fox News anymore *because* they've become more radical, not the other way around. You asked what

    Sorry, I misunderstood.

    radical things these ex-viewers had done recently, and I cited your
    action of claiming that Fox News was some sort of liberal reverse-psychology operation, which is bizarre and untrue.

    They've been talking about the "Red Wave," but there's not gonna be one. It's
    a distraction. Leftists aren't ditching their party. Fox's angle is for us to hear that and then let our guard down. "A Fox News poll indictates Biden's approval rating to be lower than any other president in the history of
    approval ratings." <- Sure thing. He'll be re-elected in a landslide victory.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Monday, September 05, 2022 03:39:50
    If you've given up on Fox News because of their deceptive conservative reporting, I could agree with you. But you're accusing them of deceptive liberal reporting, which isn't true.

    Please give an example.

    On an almost daily basis, they're posting articles about black-on-white homicides on their website. That's cherry-picking police reports.

    They tease us with stuff like "Hunter's laptop," but then nothing becomes of it. You don't see that as "leftist propaganda," but it is, because they're tricking conservatives into parroting BS, which will come back to haunt them.

    The owner is a billionaire; billionaires aren't conservatives, and they're not to be trusted. Conservatives make up a significant portion of the USA, but leftists don't want anyone acknowleging that. They would rather cut their losses by investing in a smidge of power over the conservative population, and use it carefully and wisely for strategic success. Maybe for an election, for example, try to make conservatives think that they've got nothing to lose.

    They don't cover the most pressing issues for GOP supporters, which are: We need our party to be fine tuned, we need media infrastructure, we need way more money, and we need labor unions to ditch the DNC in favor of us. If Rupert cared so much about conservatives, he'd get right on that stuff. He's not looking for political change though, he's just running a business covering a niche market.

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  • From Mike Miller@1:154/30.1 to Mike Powell on Monday, September 05, 2022 18:07:22
    Hello, Mike Powell.
    On 9/3/22 10:13 AM you wrote:

    It had to do with pundits - so called experts, that were giving
    their analysis on the vote count on election night and some of
    those, sounded a bit too much supporters of the Democratic party.
    We then had four years of "not my President" BS to listen to, and
    some of the ones I knew honestly thought that Trump didn't win.
    Others came up with some less far-out, but still far-out, reasons
    why Hillary didn't win.
    We had 8 years of "Not my president" before that. Accusations that Obama wasn't born in this country, etc. etc.

    Most of the "not my president" stuff about Trump was probably a tongue-in-cheek reference to that.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Mike Powell on Sunday, September 11, 2022 22:41:11
    What's that subtle brainwashing do? It makes conservatives think "It's o I
    don't vote, the red wave's got me covered."

    I would not take their message and assume that.

    Good, and I'm glad, but I believe that this is their intention, and that it will work to some extent.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Wednesday, September 14, 2022 18:24:00
    Nobody "believes" in scapegoats. Scapegoats are what they are: innocent
    sacrificed in the place of actual guilty parties.
    It still sounds anti-semetic. Aaron doesn't like Soros because of his reputation. Soros happens to be Jewish so, in your mind, Aaron saying he
    doesn't like Soros is anti-semetic.

    The question is, why does Soros have the reputation that he does? Is he actually guilty of everything he's been accused of, or is he the victim of an anti-semitic smear campaign?

    And, again, since the people who believe he is mucking about in Israel are "semitic," I don't think that could be the case. I didn't even know he was Jewish, and I bet Aaron didn't either, until you told us so. I cannot
    speak for Aaron, but his religion and ethnicity are not a factor in any
    opinion I have of him.

    He could be an ultra-conservative Christian from the Southern US, for all
    I would know or care. I somehow suspect one of us would care, though.

    Meanwhile, you used the supposed fact that the idea of scapegoats originated with the Hebrews as a way to cast doubt on the opinion the Israeli government also has of Soros because they are Hebrews.

    Perhaps he is their scapegoat.

    Could be, and could also be that his religion and ethnicity are an easy
    excuse for those who want to defend him.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to REBECCA MARIE on Wednesday, September 14, 2022 18:29:00
    Apparently he did not destroy the evidence. There are boxes of documents and they still apparently exist. It is not like he was

    That is actually much worse. Destroyed documents don't divulge information, documents that are stored in boxes somewhere can be stolen and read by
    people that are not cleared to do so.

    Exactly. I have mentioned that as a reason that the government should have been moving much faster to get them back but, for some reason, did not. If
    he is as irresponsible as is claimed, he certainly cannot be trusted
    to not show those documents to others during the several months he has had them. Especially Russian someones.

    running a personal server that housed government correspondence that he then destroyed with Bleach Bit.

    "Person X might've done this, but Person Y did something worse!" is a
    logical fallacy. As I tell my kiddos, "we aren't talking about what your sibling did, we are talking about what you did."

    Thanks to you, we were discussing the destruction of evidence in the form of government documents and information, which makes it on topic. Do you not
    also tell your kiddos, "If you don't want to talk about it don't bring it
    up?" Pretty sure my parents did.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to REBECCA MARIE on Wednesday, September 14, 2022 18:32:00
    You are trying to answer what I said with something that is completely different. I said that you were listening/reading someone else's account of what happened since you said that you weren't listening to anyone else. You cited a source (Roque Planas), so you are listening to what *he* says is
    the most important parts of those pages in Hillary's memoir. But was planas said were most important *actually* the most important? You'd only know by reading the memoir itself.

    And, if you had read the article, you would know that was pretty difficult
    to do now, unless I can find it used. The part in question was selected
    for "abridgement" for some reason.

    Perfect, you directly refuted my statement and presented citations that reinforce your rebuttal. That is exactly how logical debates are supposed
    to be handled. Good job!

    I have not noticed you presenting many citations. Like Jeff and others, we
    are expected to take your word for it.


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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Mike Powell on Monday, September 12, 2022 07:58:54
    Mike Powell wrote to AARON THOMAS <=-

    What's that subtle brainwashing do? It makes conservatives think "It's ok if
    I
    don't vote, the red wave's got me covered."

    I would not take their message and assume that.

    But there are many who would.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to RON L. on Monday, September 12, 2022 16:25:00
    What's that subtle brainwashing do? It makes conservatives think "It's ok i
    I
    don't vote, the red wave's got me covered."

    I would not take their message and assume that.

    But there are many who would.

    That is not good.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Saturday, September 17, 2022 00:14:08
    On 14 Sep 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    The question is, why does Soros have the reputation that he does? Is he actually guilty of everything he's been accused of, or is he the victim anti-semitic smear campaign?
    And, again, since the people who believe he is mucking about in Israel
    are "semitic," I don't think that could be the case. I didn't even know he was Jewish, and I bet Aaron didn't either, until you told us so. I cannot speak for Aaron, but his religion and ethnicity are not a factor
    in any opinion I have of him.

    The demonization of soros began with anti-semitists. Whether you consciously
    or unconsciously continue that demonization is irrelevant.

    He could be an ultra-conservative Christian from the Southern US, for all I would know or care. I somehow suspect one of us would care, though.

    The demonization of Soros has a history that you might want to make yourself aware of.

    Meanwhile, you used the supposed fact that the idea of scapegoats originated with the Hebrews as a way to cast doubt on the opinion t Israeli government also has of Soros because they are Hebrews.
    Perhaps he is their scapegoat.
    Could be, and could also be that his religion and ethnicity are an easy excuse for those who want to defend him.

    Again, you might want to look into the history of the demonization of Soros.

    Jeff.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Mike Powell on Thursday, September 15, 2022 13:47:42
    The question is, why does Soros have the reputation that he does? Is he actually guilty of everything he's been accused of, or is he the victim anti-semitic smear campaign?

    And, again, since the people who believe he is mucking about in Israel
    are "semitic," I don't think that could be the case. I didn't even know he was Jewish, and I bet Aaron didn't either, until you told us so. I cannot speak for Aaron, but his religion and ethnicity are not a factor
    in any opinion I have of him.

    Yea, I had no idea, nor did I care that he's Jewish. I think Jeff was bullied by Christians when he was a kid, and now he wants revenge.

    My main problem with George Soros is that he's funding campaigns for district attorneys who refuse to prosecute. That bothers me. I also don't like how he's invested in 18 hispanic radio stations in an attempt to subjugate some of the 1.8 million+ illegal immigrants who have entered the country since Joe took office.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Thursday, September 15, 2022 12:24:52
    The "core tenets of conservatives" is jargon. We don't vote together do racist stuff, and we don't vote together to swindle America out of the largest cash grab in the history of the United States.

    What brings you together, then?

    For the American people we want peace, safety, equality, and sovereignty. But
    I can only assume that other conservatives would agree with that statement.

    When you say "Preserve the traditional power structure," that sounds good to me. What is meant by that? Why does it seem racist to you? To me it sounds
    like "we're gonna remain a Democratic nation with a free market." But to you
    it means something different. What does it mean to you?


    Or do they? The conservatives posting racist comments in the com section sure do seem to appreciate it.
    You can't call them "conservatives." You don't know their political beliefs, because they're just there to say racist stuff.

    Who else watches Fox News?

    That's racist! You're good at being a leftist because you've mastered that trick where you accuse someone of something while you're the one committing
    the crime! ;) Good job!

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Thursday, September 15, 2022 12:30:48
    The question is, why does Soros have the reputation that he does? Is he actually guilty of everything he's been accused of, or is he the victim
    of an anti-semitic smear campaign?

    Some jews are actually guilty of the stuff that nazis accuse them of. Some black people are guilty of the stuff that white supremacists accuse them of. Some white people are guilty of the stuff that Mexicans accuse them of.

    But just because George is "trying to use his wealth to rule the world"
    doesn't mean that Ben Stein is guilty of it too. Some people need to
    go straight to hell, and it doesn't matter what color or religion they are. Those are just crutches for (insane) people to cry about.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Rebecca Marie on Thursday, September 15, 2022 12:53:37
    What's that subtle brainwashing do? It makes conservatives think "It' ok if I don't vote, the red wave's got me covered."

    So that leads to an obvious question: during the Blue wave, was that conservative leaders trying to trick progressives to think "It's ok if I don't vote, the blue wave's got me covered?"

    Republicans are not organized enough to pull stunts like that. They know nothing about psychology, or about getting up off their butts.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Saturday, September 17, 2022 23:44:15
    On 15 Sep 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    The "core tenets of conservatives" is jargon. We don't vote toge do racist stuff, and we don't vote together to swindle America o the largest cash grab in the history of the United States.
    What brings you together, then?
    For the American people we want peace, safety, equality, and
    sovereignty. But I can only assume that other conservatives would agree with that statement.

    So you do vote together, then.

    When you say "Preserve the traditional power structure," that sounds
    good to me. What is meant by that? Why does it seem racist to you? To me it sounds like "we're gonna remain a Democratic nation with a free market." But to you it means something different. What does it mean to you?

    It means, "keep whites in power."

    Or do they? The conservatives posting racist comments in th section sure do seem to appreciate it.
    You can't call them "conservatives." You don't know their politi beliefs, because they're just there to say racist stuff.
    Who else watches Fox News?
    That's racist! You're good at being a leftist because you've mastered
    that trick where you accuse someone of something while you're the one committing the crime! ;) Good job!

    Who is commenting on Fox News articles? It's not me. Nice try, but no.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Saturday, September 17, 2022 23:51:35
    On 15 Sep 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    The question is, why does Soros have the reputation that he does? Is actually guilty of everything he's been accused of, or is he the vict of an anti-semitic smear campaign?
    Some jews are actually guilty of the stuff that nazis accuse them of.

    Is that so? Examples, Nazi?

    Some black people are guilty of the stuff that white supremacists accuse them of.

    Is that so? Examples, Nazi?

    Some white people are guilty of the stuff that Mexicans
    accuse
    them of.

    Is that so? Examples, Nazi?

    But just because George is "trying to use his wealth to rule the world" doesn't mean that Ben Stein is guilty of it too.

    Is that so? Examples, Nazi?

    Some people need to
    go straight to hell, and it doesn't matter what color or religion they are. Those are just crutches for (insane) people to cry about.

    Is that so? Examples, Nazi?

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Sunday, September 18, 2022 02:13:31
    On 15 Sep 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    What's that subtle brainwashing do? It makes conservatives think ok if I don't vote, the red wave's got me covered."
    So that leads to an obvious question: during the Blue wave, was that conservative leaders trying to trick progressives to think "It's ok i don't vote, the blue wave's got me covered?"
    Republicans are not organized enough to pull stunts like that. They know nothing about psychology, or about getting up off their butts.

    So... we're down to the "Republicans are stupid" argument?

    Jeff.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Sunday, September 18, 2022 13:31:23
    You can't call them "conservatives." You don't know their p beliefs, because they're just there to say racist stuff.
    Who else watches Fox News?
    That's racist! You're good at being a leftist because you've mastered that trick where you accuse someone of something while you're the one committing the crime! ;) Good job!

    You want and need white conservatives to be racists, because a narrative like that scares colored people into voting Democrat, but the actions that Democrats take to exploit and manipulate people by color are very obvious to intelligent people. Don't doubt that many colored people are intelligent too and that they're figuring this all out.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Sunday, September 18, 2022 13:43:51
    Some jews are actually guilty of the stuff that nazis accuse them of.

    Is that so? Examples, Nazi?

    I'm glad you ruined the conversation with name calling, because I'm a conservative upstate New Yorker and we don't care for color talk.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Sunday, September 18, 2022 13:59:24
    So... we're down to the "Republicans are stupid" argument?

    The leftists are propagating the notion that the election is in the bag.

    Republicans don't have any defense for propaganda; all they do is stand around with their thumbs up their asses. Leftists obviously have some sort of propaganda processing center; a place where they organize all of their
    efforts.

    Republicans lack that type of organization. They think it's old times, where you can just be an honest person and do an honest job. Democrats know better.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Tuesday, September 20, 2022 07:15:53
    On 18 Sep 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    You can't call them "conservatives." You don't know th beliefs, because they're just there to say racist stuf
    Who else watches Fox News?
    That's racist! You're good at being a leftist because you've mas that trick where you accuse someone of something while you're th committing the crime! ;) Good job!
    You want and need white conservatives to be racists, because a narrative like that scares colored people into voting Democrat, but the actions
    that Democrats take to exploit and manipulate people by color are very obvious to intelligent people. Don't doubt that many colored people are intelligent too and that they're figuring this all out.

    You yourself said that the comments sections of the Fox News website were filled with racist comments and that, in your opinion, the ability to comment should be removed.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Tuesday, September 20, 2022 07:16:59
    On 18 Sep 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    Some jews are actually guilty of the stuff that nazis accuse the
    Is that so? Examples, Nazi?
    I'm glad you ruined the conversation with name calling, because I'm a conservative upstate New Yorker and we don't care for color talk.

    Do you not have any examples?

    What are some jews actually guilty of, as accused by Nazis?

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Tuesday, September 20, 2022 07:26:46
    On 18 Sep 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    So... we're down to the "Republicans are stupid" argument?
    The leftists are propagating the notion that the election is in the bag.

    As have the rightists in the past.

    Republicans don't have any defense for propaganda; all they do is stand around with their thumbs up their asses. Leftists obviously have some
    sort of propaganda processing center; a place where they organize all of their efforts.

    Hahaha, no. Rightists have propaganda, too; it's just that you buy into it hook, line, and sinker. To you, it's not propaganda. However, you are
    correct in that it is not working very well right now. Post 2015, it has been increasingly aimed at Trump's far-right MAGA base and any conservatives
    caught between that and the center are not buying it.

    I don't know of any leftist propaganda clearing centers; as far as I can
    tell that's your paranoia speaking. There is reality, though, which you may have confused for a leftist propaganda machine.

    Republicans lack that type of organization. They think it's old times, where you can just be an honest person and do an honest job. Democrats know better.

    Republican politicians, and especially Trump, are not honest people. They're desperately trying to find a way to unify the Trumper MAGA base with the traditional non-MAGA base, and are having difficulty doing so.

    Jeff.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Tuesday, September 20, 2022 16:16:00
    You want and need white conservatives to be racists, because a narrative like that scares colored people into voting Democrat, but the actions that Democrats take to exploit and manipulate people by color are very obvious to intelligent people. Don't doubt that many colored people are intelligent too and that they're figuring this all out.

    You yourself said that the comments sections of the Fox News website were filled with racist comments and that, in your opinion, the ability to comment should be removed.

    Considering that it is a comment section, and those are often filled with
    at least a few trolls, it is not a safe assumption that they are white or conservative or anything else.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Tuesday, September 20, 2022 16:37:00
    On 18 Sep 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    Some jews are actually guilty of the stuff that nazis accuse th
    Is that so? Examples, Nazi?
    I'm glad you ruined the conversation with name calling, because I'm a conservative upstate New Yorker and we don't care for color talk.

    Do you not have any examples?

    What are some jews actually guilty of, as accused by Nazis?

    One of the things that Hitler claimed they were involved with is Communism. That is a very general belief to have about all members of the Jewish community. That said, back before WWI, there was indeed involvement by
    Jewish Germans in Communist activities. Some of them were also Zionists,
    who moved to Israel and settled there, setting up their communes in places which, in their mind, were "unclaimed lands."

    So, some German Jews did indeed have Communist beliefs, which the Nazis incorrectly accused them all of having. So, the Nazis took a small truth
    and made a large falsehood out of it.

    Back to the Zionists who left for Israel before WWI...

    These settlements caused a lot of friction with the native Jews, Muslims,
    and Christians. Back several years ago, there was a show on PBS about this period in history. The German (and other European) Jews took over lands
    that those natives had been using as their nomadic hearding lands and, of course, the Zionists also wanted the most fertile lands for themselves,
    leaving less desirable land for the natives. The Zionists also brought in muscle, sometimes in the form of Russian criminals, to keep the natives off of "their" land. This lead to some violent incidents between said muscle and the natives.

    At the time, that area was a part of the Ottoman Empire. As their power
    was waning, they had some difficulty keeping law and order in that area.
    There was eventually a movement to come to some peaceful resolution between
    the Zionists, the natives, and the government. WWI broke out and, with the Ottomans losing control of that area, this never happened.

    One things I took away from that special was that, despite being of
    different religions, the natives apparently got along pretty well up until
    the Zionist Europeans starting showing up in numbers.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Tuesday, September 20, 2022 16:35:00
    Republicans lack that type of organization. They think it's old times, where you can just be an honest person and do an honest job. Democrats know better.

    Republican politicians, and especially Trump, are not honest people. They're desperately trying to find a way to unify the Trumper MAGA base with the traditional non-MAGA base, and are having difficulty doing so.

    And I called it...

    The other day, you were claiming that politicians on the whole were honest people who were not in it for the power, the money, or themselves. I pointed out that your views were naive and also would be different if we were qualifying "politician" with "Republican."

    So here we are.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, September 05, 2022 23:07:05
    On 05 Sep 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    radical things these ex-viewers had done recently, and I cited your action of claiming that Fox News was some sort of liberal reverse-psychology operation, which is bizarre and untrue.
    They've been talking about the "Red Wave," but there's not gonna be one. It's a distraction. Leftists aren't ditching their party. Fox's angle is for us to hear that and then let our guard down. "A Fox News poll indictates Biden's approval rating to be lower than any other president
    in the history of approval ratings." <- Sure thing. He'll be re-elected
    in a landslide victory.

    They're reporting what they think conservatives want to hear.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, September 05, 2022 23:15:07
    On 05 Sep 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    If you've given up on Fox News because of their deceptive conservativ reporting, I could agree with you. But you're accusing them of decept liberal reporting, which isn't true.
    Please give an example.
    On an almost daily basis, they're posting articles about black-on-white homicides on their website. That's cherry-picking police reports.

    True, but how is that pro-Biden/anti-Trump?

    They tease us with stuff like "Hunter's laptop," but then nothing
    becomes of it. You don't see that as "leftist propaganda," but it is, because they're tricking conservatives into parroting BS, which will
    come back to haunt them.

    What is the status of said laptop? Is it in the hands of the FBI? My understanding is that it has a rather shady chain of custody.

    The owner is a billionaire; billionaires aren't conservatives, and
    they're not to be trusted. Conservatives make up a significant portion
    of the USA, but leftists don't want anyone acknowleging that. They would rather cut their losses by investing in a smidge of power over the conservative population, and use it carefully and wisely for strategic success. Maybe for an election, for example, try to make conservatives think that they've got nothing to lose.

    There are in fact many conservative billionaires.

    They don't cover the most pressing issues for GOP supporters, which are: We need our party to be fine tuned, we need media infrastructure, we
    need way more money, and we need labor unions to ditch the DNC in favor
    of us. If Rupert cared so much about conservatives, he'd get right on
    that stuff. He's not looking for political change though, he's just running a business covering a niche market.

    Why would a neutral news source cover such things?

    Jeff.

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Tuesday, September 06, 2022 08:30:15
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

    Legislation of the latest money-grab comes to mind. When Joe Manchin questioned the urgency for all this money, other confederates threw him under the bus. That's pushing the narrative hard. "Joe Manchin wants to defund FEMA."

    I've learned that when a salesman pushes harder, it's because he wants the sale - not because it's best for you.

    There's a great deal of similiarity between a Democrat and a sleezy used car salesman.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Ron L. on Tuesday, September 06, 2022 07:47:08
    On 06 Sep 2022, Ron L. said the following...
    Legislation of the latest money-grab comes to mind. When Joe Manchin questioned the urgency for all this money, other confederates threw h under the bus. That's pushing the narrative hard. "Joe Manchin wants defund FEMA."
    I've learned that when a salesman pushes harder, it's because he wants
    the sale - not because it's best for you.
    There's a great deal of similiarity between a Democrat and a sleezy used car salesman.

    Republicans also throw members of their party who don't cooperate with party goals under the bus. The term "RINO" springs to mind, for example. Both
    parties have an official position, the majority/minority whip, whose job it
    is to "whip" its members into submission.

    Jeff.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to RON L. on Tuesday, September 06, 2022 18:17:00
    I've learned that when a salesman pushes harder, it's because he wants the sal
    - not because it's best for you.

    +1


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Tuesday, September 06, 2022 06:06:31
    in the history of approval ratings." <- Sure thing. He'll be re-elect in a landslide victory.

    They're reporting what they think conservatives want to hear.

    Now you're catching on! They want to control conservatives, similar to the way that George Soros controls you.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Tuesday, September 06, 2022 22:15:58
    Please give an example.
    On an almost daily basis, they're posting articles about black-on-whi homicides on their website. That's cherry-picking police reports.

    True, but how is that pro-Biden/anti-Trump?

    Exhibit A:
    Fox News' target audience is whites. By cherry-picking these articles, they're fomenting resentment of blacks and non-whites.

    Exhibit B:
    foxnews.com, unlike 99% of other news websites, continues to allow comments on their site, and people post very racist stuff every time.

    The openly-leftist media controls liberals, and the shadow-leftist Fox News controls conservatives. Not only controls them, but also creates the perfect place (comments section on their website) to create a "whites are racist" narrative.

    Question: What's at the end of this rainbow? Answer: More desperate situations for the American people that predatory politicians can tantilize them with later. "Re-elect me and your crime problems will be solved."

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Wednesday, September 07, 2022 06:03:41
    On 06 Sep 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    in the history of approval ratings." <- Sure thing. He'll be re- in a landslide victory.
    They're reporting what they think conservatives want to hear.
    Now you're catching on! They want to control conservatives, similar to
    the way that George Soros controls you.

    Soros doesn't control liberals; that's an anti-semitic conspiracy theory and, while you may not consider yourself anti-semitic, espousal of said conspiracy theory would suggest otherwise.

    You implied that Fox News has changed in some way prior to the last election, but Fox News has always been about telling conservatives what they want to hear.

    And, just for logic's sake, if Fox News is secretly liberal, then are you saying that George Soros is secretly conservative?

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Wednesday, September 07, 2022 06:17:53
    On 06 Sep 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    Please give an example.
    On an almost daily basis, they're posting articles about black-o homicides on their website. That's cherry-picking police reports
    True, but how is that pro-Biden/anti-Trump?
    Exhibit A:
    Fox News' target audience is whites. By cherry-picking these articles, they're fomenting resentment of blacks and non-whites.

    That's true of conservative propaganda in general.

    Exhibit B:
    foxnews.com, unlike 99% of other news websites, continues to allow comments on their site, and people post very racist stuff every time.

    I can see how that could be a problem. Perhaps conservatives need to disavow themselves of their racist comrades, although they will risk losing their
    votes as well, which I suspect is why they have not done so.

    Perhaps Fox News is inadvertently opening your eyes to something you'd really rather not have to acknowledge.

    The openly-leftist media controls liberals, and the shadow-leftist Fox News controls conservatives. Not only controls them, but also creates
    the perfect place (comments section on their website) to create a
    "whites are racist" narrative.

    Not all whites are racist, but racists tend to be white in this country.

    Not all media is leftist, either, unless Fox News is considered centrist
    (which it isn't).

    And, of course, you have no real evidence that Fox News is secretly liberal, any more than you have that Soros is secretly conservative.

    Question: What's at the end of this rainbow? Answer: More desperate situations for the American people that predatory politicians can tantilize them with later. "Re-elect me and your crime problems will be solved."

    Where are you getting your news now that you've abandoned Fox News?

    Jeff.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Wednesday, September 07, 2022 16:32:00
    Now you're catching on! They want to control conservatives, similar to the way that George Soros controls you.

    Soros doesn't control liberals; that's an anti-semitic conspiracy theory and, while you may not consider yourself anti-semitic, espousal of said conspiracy theory would suggest otherwise.

    So when the Israeli government, or Israeli citizens, claim that Soros is also attempting to influence their citizens and interfere with their government, is that considered anti-themselves?

    If it was only a bunch of American right-wing radicals questioning his influence, I could see the anti-semitic argument having merit. Since other countries make similar claims, I question it.

    There is a lot of smoke from multiple places for there to be no fire
    anywhere.

    You implied that Fox News has changed in some way prior to the last election, but Fox News has always been about telling conservatives what they want to hear.

    They were also, at times before the 2016 election was over, anti-Trump.
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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Wednesday, September 07, 2022 16:26:11
    On 07 Sep 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    Now you're catching on! They want to control conservatives, similar the way that George Soros controls you.
    Soros doesn't control liberals; that's an anti-semitic conspiracy theory while you may not consider yourself anti-semitic, espousal of said consp theory would suggest otherwise.
    So when the Israeli government, or Israeli citizens, claim that Soros is also attempting to influence their citizens and interfere with their government, is that considered anti-themselves?

    Do they complain that George Soros "controls" them?

    If it was only a bunch of American right-wing radicals questioning his influence, I could see the anti-semitic argument having merit. Since other countries make similar claims, I question it.

    It's a claim that's been around for a long, long time. For what it's worth, Soros also donates to conservative causes.

    There is a lot of smoke from multiple places for there to be no fire anywhere.

    Did you know that the idea of a scapegoat originated with the ancient Hebrews?

    You implied that Fox News has changed in some way prior to the last elec but Fox News has always been about telling conservatives what they want hear.
    They were also, at times before the 2016 election was over, anti-Trump. Maybe FOX never fully got over that, either.

    I think that would depend on whether the reporters in question were in the
    news department or the entertainment department.

    Jeff.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Wednesday, September 07, 2022 20:49:00
    Soros doesn't control liberals; that's an anti-semitic conspiracy theory and, while you may not consider yourself anti-semitic, espousal of said conspiracy theory would suggest otherwise.

    George pushes propanganda on his news channels, and funds non-prosecuting prosecutor campaigns. He also funds Democrats, who will later campaign on "re-elect us to solve the crime problem."

    And, just for logic's sake, if Fox News is secretly liberal, then are you saying that George Soros is secretly conservative?

    It doesn't matter what George's political beliefs are, but what matters is
    that he's colluding with Democrats to wreck our country, so that they can pander to idiots later on.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Wednesday, September 07, 2022 21:21:51
    comments on their site, and people post very racist stuff every time.

    I can see how that could be a problem. Perhaps conservatives need to disavow themselves of their racist comrades, although they will risk losing their votes as well, which I suspect is why they have not done so.

    There's no "racist comrades." foxnews.com just needs to remove the comments section like every other news site has already done.

    Perhaps Fox News is inadvertently opening your eyes to something you'd really rather not have to acknowledge.

    They're not opening my eyes to anything. They're leftist propagandists.

    Not all whites are racist, but racists tend to be white in this country.

    Racists don't "tend" to be white. It's racist to say that.

    Not all media is leftist, either, unless Fox News is considered centrist (which it isn't).

    It's all leftist. If the leftists had a problem with stuff that Fox News is doing, then all it would take is a phonecall to solve it.

    Leftists are fine with Fox News. They love the Hunter's Laptop story, because it's a dead-end. They also love all the "election was stolen" stuff, because that helps them look good too.

    Where are you getting your news now that you've abandoned Fox News?

    I still browse foxnews.com but I don't take them seriously. Local news at 12 and 6 are good enough.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Wednesday, September 07, 2022 19:22:05
    On 07 Sep 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    Soros doesn't control liberals; that's an anti-semitic conspiracy the and, while you may not consider yourself anti-semitic, espousal of sa conspiracy theory would suggest otherwise.
    George pushes propanganda on his news channels,

    Soros has news channels?

    and funds non-prosecuting
    prosecutor campaigns.

    I take it this means he contributes to the campaings of prosecutors who don't prosecute things that you think should be prosecuted, rather than to the campaigns of prosecutors who don't prosecute at all.

    He also funds Democrats, who will later campaign on
    "re-elect us to solve the crime problem."

    Didn't Trump campaign on "law & order," tough-on-crime promises?

    And, just for logic's sake, if Fox News is secretly liberal, then are saying that George Soros is secretly conservative?
    It doesn't matter what George's political beliefs are, but what matters
    is that he's colluding with Democrats to wreck our country, so that they can pander to idiots later on.

    Sure it matters. If Rupert Murdoch has Fox News being 'deceptive' in order to control conservatives because he's a secret leftist, and Soros has "his" news channels publishing "propaganda" in order to control the left, isn't there at least a possibility that he's a secret conservative who is colluding with Republicans?

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Wednesday, September 07, 2022 19:34:59
    On 07 Sep 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    comments on their site, and people post very racist stuff every
    I can see how that could be a problem. Perhaps conservatives need to disavow themselves of their racist comrades, although they will risk losing their votes as well, which I suspect is why they have not done
    There's no "racist comrades." foxnews.com just needs to remove the comments section like every other news site has already done.

    To hide the racism of the racist comrades who don't exist. Have you thought that through? Racists share the same preference in news sites that you do.

    Perhaps Fox News is inadvertently opening your eyes to something you' really rather not have to acknowledge.
    They're not opening my eyes to anything. They're leftist propagandists.

    They are definitely not leftist propagandists. They approach just about everything with a conservative bent. But now that that's becoming
    inconvenient and/or embarassing to you, suddenly they're "leftists."

    Not all whites are racist, but racists tend to be white in this count
    Racists don't "tend" to be white. It's racist to say that.

    It's not racist to point out actual demographics, and most of the racists in the US are white. It's interesting that you would take exception to that fact.

    Not all media is leftist, either, unless Fox News is considered centr (which it isn't).
    It's all leftist. If the leftists had a problem with stuff that Fox News is doing, then all it would take is a phonecall to solve it.

    "Leftists" have had a problem with what Fox News is doing for decades. Just check out all of the "leftist" fact-checks calling out Fox News for their
    lies.

    Leftists are fine with Fox News. They love the Hunter's Laptop story, because it's a dead-end. They also love all the "election was stolen" stuff, because that helps them look good too.

    The Hunter Biden laptop story is a dead end? Are you sure it's not being covered up by the FBI? Trump is generating most of the "election was stolen" stuff; does that make him a secret "leftist," too?

    Where are you getting your news now that you've abandoned Fox News?
    I still browse foxnews.com but I don't take them seriously. Local news
    at 12 and 6 are good enough.

    You do know that the natural progression of this delusional thinking will result in you believing that everyone except you is a "leftist," right? All
    it takes is for someone to say something you disagree with or shine a bad
    light on your beliefs, and suddenly they're playing for the other team. Eventually there will be no one left but you.

    That's not an accurate perception of reality; that's paranoia. You might want to seek help.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Wednesday, September 14, 2022 08:19:44
    On 09 Sep 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    How do you know that? The racists who read CNN & MSNBC don't hav comments section.
    Because racism is a conservative phenomenon. One of the core tenets o conservatives is preserving the traditional power structure, and the traditional power structure is racist.
    The "core tenets of conservatives" is jargon. We don't vote together to
    do racist stuff, and we don't vote together to swindle America out of
    the largest cash grab in the history of the United States.

    What brings you together, then?

    The leftists are the ones who are constantly talking about skin color. Nobody brought it up besides you.

    You brought up the racist comments on the Fox News website.

    Or do they? The conservatives posting racist comments in the comment section sure do seem to appreciate it.
    You can't call them "conservatives." You don't know their political beliefs, because they're just there to say racist stuff.

    Who else watches Fox News?

    Peter Doocy's questions are idiotic. Also, remember Jim Acosta gettin his press credentials revoked for asking tough questions? Peter Doocy still there. That says everything about the difference between these administrations.
    Jim Acosta wasn't "asking tough questions." Jim Acosta was harrassing the president. Peter Doocy's questions don't seem idiotic to me. He's
    helping us log white house inconsistencies so that later we can reflect
    on all the dishonesty. That's gonna be a fun day.

    Or, he's harassing the President. It all depends on one's point of view.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Wednesday, September 14, 2022 08:32:21
    On 09 Sep 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    Nobody "believes" in scapegoats. Scapegoats are what they are: innocent sacrificed in the place of actual guilty parties.
    It still sounds anti-semetic. Aaron doesn't like Soros because of his reputation. Soros happens to be Jewish so, in your mind, Aaron saying he doesn't like Soros is anti-semetic.

    The question is, why does Soros have the reputation that he does? Is he actually guilty of everything he's been accused of, or is he the victim of an anti-semitic smear campaign?

    Meanwhile, you used the supposed fact that the idea of scapegoats originated with the Hebrews as a way to cast doubt on the opinion the Israeli government also has of Soros because they are Hebrews.

    Perhaps he is their scapegoat.

    That sounds more anti-semetic to me.

    I'm not saying the Israelis are inferior or evil in any way, other than in
    the way that we are all imperfect beings.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Rebecca Marie on Wednesday, September 14, 2022 08:53:10
    On 09 Sep 2022, Rebecca Marie said the following...
    Al and I have been accused of being the same person, but we both can neither confirm nor deny it.
    That said, I think Gregory and Aaron are two different people.
    Wow! I think it's pretty amazing that you turned my short post into an opportunity to slag others. Bravo!

    Hang around long enough and you'll see what I mean.

    Gregory's posts are very wordy and condescending, using stilted Engli and capitalization rules known only to Gregory himself. My personal
    I don't know why, but that made me giggle!

    Gregory is quite the character.

    Jeff.

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  • From Rebecca Marie@1:124/5016 to Mike Powell on Tuesday, September 13, 2022 13:26:00
    Mike Powell wrote to REBECCA MARIE <=-

    Apparently he did not destroy the evidence. There are boxes of
    documents and they still apparently exist. It is not like he was

    That is actually much worse. Destroyed documents don't divulge information, documents that are stored in boxes somewhere can be stolen and read by
    people that are not cleared to do so.

    running a personal server that housed government correspondence that he then destroyed with Bleach Bit.

    "Person X might've done this, but Person Y did something worse!" is a
    logical fallacy. As I tell my kiddos, "we aren't talking about what your sibling did, we are talking about what you did."


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  • From Rebecca Marie@1:124/5016 to Mike Powell on Tuesday, September 13, 2022 14:07:00
    Mike Powell wrote to REBECCA MARIE <=-

    If you weren't within earshot of what Hillary said, or an eyewitness to
    what Hillary "did", then you are definitely listening to what others said.

    You are trying to answer what I said with something that is completely different. I said that you were listening/reading someone else's account of what happened since you said that you weren't listening to anyone else. You cited a source (Roque Planas), so you are listening to what *he* says is
    the most important parts of those pages in Hillary's memoir. But was planas said were most important *actually* the most important? You'd only know by reading the memoir itself.

    My guess is that you heard what Hllary "said, did and took credit for" straight from conservative-leaning media. Rush Limbaugh? Fox News?

    The Huffington Post is a good example that I have cited here multiple times. They cite her own memoirs which, as a autobiographical book, was

    Perfect, you directly refuted my statement and presented citations that reinforce your rebuttal. That is exactly how logical debates are supposed
    to be handled. Good job!

    Using a private email server for government correspondence was only another example, feeding right into the fact that she is not trustworthy.

    That is not a fact, that is an opinion. If you can find facts that back up your opinion, then you'd have more credibility.

    Mike, Mike, Mike. You apparently forgot the sentence that YOU WROTE? Let me re-quote it for you:

    "feeding right into the *fact* that she is not trustworthy."

    THAT is what I said is an opinion and not a fact.


    I am certain that breaching trust is, by definition, untrustworthy.

    The documents I sign are pretty black and white. The definition of untrustworthy is readily available in any dictionary. I don't see an opinion there.

    The definition according to Oxford is:

    trustAùworAùthy
    /Eˆtr™s(t)EŒw™rTIŸHŽ“/
    Learn to pronounce
    adjective
    able to be relied on as honest or truthful.
    "leave a spare key with a trustworthy neighbor"

    The opinion is about how you view something to be relied on. If someone
    tells white lies 10% of the time, but nothing but the truth otherwise, are
    they trustworthy? Isn't lying breaching trust? If a husband tells his wife
    that he is going to use $100 for groceries, but instead gambles it away, is
    he now untrustworthy, or did he just make a stupid mistake? You and I and
    the wife may have different answers to that question.

    So now I will wait for your message telling me that, as a former First Lady and SoS, she should be held to a lesser standard than Jeff or I
    when it comes to mishandling government information.

    You are making an argument against something that I did not say. I never
    said if I thought that Clinton having the email server was a good or bad
    thing, just that saying that she is "untrustworthy" is not a fact but an opinion, and that getting information from a second-hand source means that
    you are listening to others.

    As for my opinion, which has *nothing* to do with Trump taking classified documents when he left the White House, is that it was stupid and Hillary Clinton should have f**ing known better. Even if she never sent
    confidential information using that server, there was a possibility that it could have been used to do so.

    To me, that doesn't necessarily mean that she's untrustworthy, but she
    doesn't understand infosec best practices. Others disagree with my opinion,
    and feel that makes her untrustworthy. You can see that in the polling: Clinton's lead in the polls practically vanished after that story came out.

    But I digress.


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  • From Rebecca Marie@1:124/5016 to Aaron Thomas on Tuesday, September 13, 2022 14:34:00
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Rebecca Marie <=-

    conservative sheep in a subtle way. They aren't telling us "Vote
    against all Democrats because they're all monsters!" but they're
    telling us stuff like "There's gonna be a red wave. Democrats are
    expected to lose really bad."

    What's that subtle brainwashing do? It makes conservatives think "It's
    ok if I don't vote, the red wave's got me covered."

    So that leads to an obvious question: during the Blue wave, was that conservative leaders trying to trick progressives to think "It's ok if I
    don't vote, the blue wave's got me covered?"


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Tuesday, September 20, 2022 16:53:13
    On 20 Sep 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    You want and need white conservatives to be racists, because a narr like that scares colored people into voting Democrat, but the actio that Democrats take to exploit and manipulate people by color are v obvious to intelligent people. Don't doubt that many colored people intelligent too and that they're figuring this all out.
    You yourself said that the comments sections of the Fox News website wer filled with racist comments and that, in your opinion, the ability to co should be removed.
    Considering that it is a comment section, and those are often filled with at least a few trolls, it is not a safe assumption that they are white or conservative or anything else.

    They have their own language. You can tell by the vocabulary, buzzwords, grammar, and vile threats who they are. They're right-wing extremists.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Tuesday, September 20, 2022 17:07:51
    On 20 Sep 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    On 18 Sep 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    Some jews are actually guilty of the stuff that nazis acc th
    Is that so? Examples, Nazi?
    I'm glad you ruined the conversation with name calling, because I'm conservative upstate New Yorker and we don't care for color talk.
    Do you not have any examples?
    What are some jews actually guilty of, as accused by Nazis?
    One of the things that Hitler claimed they were involved with is Communism. That is a very general belief to have about all members of
    the Jewish community. That said, back before WWI, there was indeed involvement by Jewish Germans in Communist activities. Some of them
    were also Zionists, who moved to Israel and settled there, setting up their communes in places which, in their mind, were "unclaimed lands."

    And that affects Germany how?

    So, some German Jews did indeed have Communist beliefs, which the Nazis incorrectly accused them all of having. So, the Nazis took a small truth and made a large falsehood out of it.

    True. In order to demonize Jews in general. But when someone says, yeah, some few of the Jews were communists, so the Nazis were right about some things, that's not a very good look.

    Back to the Zionists who left for Israel before WWI...
    These settlements caused a lot of friction with the native Jews, Muslims, and Christians. Back several years ago, there was a show on PBS about this period in history. The German (and other European) Jews took over lands that those natives had been using as their nomadic hearding lands and, of course, the Zionists also wanted the most fertile lands for themselves, leaving less desirable land for the natives. The Zionists
    also brought in muscle, sometimes in the form of Russian criminals, to keep the natives off of "their" land. This lead to some violent
    incidents between said muscle and the natives.

    That was also the time period of the spread of "The Protocols of the Elders
    of Zion," a Russian invention intended to turn people against the Jews. Interestingly, the Wikipedia article on "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" says this:

    "Pipes notes that the Protocols emphasizes recurring themes of conspiratorial antisemitism: 'Jews always scheme', 'Jews are everywhere', 'Jews are behind every institution', 'Jews obey a central authority, the shadowy 'Elders'', and 'Jews are close to success." (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protocols_of_the_Elders_of_Zion)

    Which, if one were to replace "Jews" with "Leftists" and "Elders" with "the Elite" sounds quite surprisingly like Ron.

    At the time, that area was a part of the Ottoman Empire. As their power was waning, they had some difficulty keeping law and order in that area. There was eventually a movement to come to some peaceful resolution between the Zionists, the natives, and the government. WWI broke out
    and, with the Ottomans losing control of that area, this never happened.

    One things I took away from that special was that, despite being of different religions, the natives apparently got along pretty well up
    until the Zionist Europeans starting showing up in numbers.

    They wanted the return of what they saw as their homeland and, after WWII,
    got it. Courtesy of the U.S. of A.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Tuesday, September 20, 2022 17:10:01
    On 20 Sep 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    Republicans lack that type of organization. They think it's old tim where you can just be an honest person and do an honest job. Democr know better.
    Republican politicians, and especially Trump, are not honest people. The desperately trying to find a way to unify the Trumper MAGA base with the traditional non-MAGA base, and are having difficulty doing so.
    And I called it...
    The other day, you were claiming that politicians on the whole were
    honest people who were not in it for the power, the money, or
    themselves. I pointed out that your views were naive and also would be different if we were qualifying "politician" with "Republican."

    I don't believe I would have said that about the likes of Trump, Gaetz, DeSantis, Abbott, Taylor-Greene, Boebert, Gohmert, etc.

    Perhaps I was referring to lower-level politicians, I don't remember.

    So here we are.

    Yep.

    Jeff.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Wednesday, September 21, 2022 00:38:43
    Some jews are actually guilty of the stuff that nazis accus
    Is that so? Examples, Nazi?
    I'm glad you ruined the conversation with name calling, because I'm a conservative upstate New Yorker and we don't care for color talk.

    Do you not have any examples?

    What are some jews actually guilty of, as accused by Nazis?

    Trying to rule the world. George Soros is trying it, and he's jewish.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Wednesday, September 21, 2022 00:58:03
    Hahaha, no. Rightists have propaganda, too; it's just that you buy into
    it hook, line, and sinker. To you, it's not propaganda. However, you are correct in that it is not working very well right now. Post 2015, it has been increasingly aimed at Trump's far-right MAGA base and any conservatives caught between that and the center are not buying it. Hahaha, no. Rightists have propaganda, too; it's just that you buy into
    it hook, line, and sinker. To you, it's not propaganda. However, you are correct in that it is not working very well right now. Post 2015, it has been increasingly aimed at Trump's far-right MAGA base and any conservatives caught between that and the center are not buying it.

    Are the statistics about all of Trump's successes just a pile of propaganda?

    I don't know of any leftist propaganda clearing centers; as far as I can tell that's your paranoia speaking. There is reality, though, which you may have confused for a leftist propaganda machine.

    They left you out in the cold, but surely the top dawgs like George and Oprah have clearance to enter the facility.

    Republican politicians, and especially Trump, are not honest people. They're desperately trying to find a way to unify the Trumper MAGA base with the traditional non-MAGA base, and are having difficulty doing so.

    How do you know that? I feel like conservatives are unified. Nobody cares if it's Trump or Romney; Joe's got to go. That's all.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Aaron Thomas on Wednesday, September 21, 2022 12:59:50
    Are the statistics about all of Trump's successes just a pile of propaganda?

    It must be, Trump has no real successes.

    Unless you call impeachment (two of them), pleading the fifth, the insurrection and indictments success.

    I feel like conservatives are unified. Nobody cares if it's Trump or Romney; Joe's got to go. That's all.

    Conservatives are unified alright.

    No more democracy.

    No more rights for women to make their own choice.

    No more law & order.

    The list goes on.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Thursday, September 08, 2022 03:14:23
    George pushes propanganda on his news channels,

    Soros has news channels?

    I believe that Soros, or one of his companies, owns some local broadcast tv channels. I could be wrong about that. However, I can't be wrong that he colluded with Biden to import latinos and now he's purchased 18 (formerly) conservative latino radio stations so he could propagate Joe's border buddies.

    I take it this means he contributes to the campaings of prosecutors who don't prosecute things that you think should be prosecuted, rather than
    to the campaigns of prosecutors who don't prosecute at all.

    He contributes to the campaigns of bad prosecutors. It's his way of Defunding the Police.

    He also funds Democrats, who will later campaign on
    "re-elect us to solve the crime problem."

    Didn't Trump campaign on "law & order," tough-on-crime promises?

    The Joe Biden Crime Crisis is just that; a Joe Biden inspired crime crisis.

    It doesn't matter what George's political beliefs are, but what matte is that he's colluding with Democrats to wreck our country, so that t can pander to idiots later on.

    Sure it matters. If Rupert Murdoch has Fox News being 'deceptive' in
    order to control conservatives because he's a secret leftist, and Soros has "his" news channels publishing "propaganda" in order to control the left, isn't there at least a possibility that he's a secret conservative who is colluding with Republicans?

    Propaganda appeals to weak minded voters. Republicans can't afford propaganda anyway. They are broke. Propaganda costs a ton. They have no TV outlets, especially not broadcast TV outlets. All Republicans have for propaganda is AM radio, and that's pathetic, because nobody listens to that except for people who are already conservatives, and Sean Hannity just makes us look stupid anyway.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Thursday, September 08, 2022 03:46:39
    There's no "racist comrades." foxnews.com just needs to remove the comments section like every other news site has already done.

    To hide the racism of the racist comrades who don't exist. Have you thought that through? Racists share the same preference in news sites
    that you do.

    How do you know that? The racists who read CNN & MSNBC don't have a comments section.

    They are definitely not leftist propagandists. They approach just about everything with a conservative bent. But now that that's becoming inconvenient and/or embarassing to you, suddenly they're "leftists."

    Racism isn't conservative. Conservatives don't ask for cherry-picked
    police reports or for a racist comment section.

    Not all whites are racist, but racists tend to be white in this
    Racists don't "tend" to be white. It's racist to say that.

    It's not racist to point out actual demographics, and most of the
    racists in the US are white. It's interesting that you would take exception to that fact.

    You're full of it. You're the one who's racist. "Most of the racists.." Do you realize how full of it you are? You have no proof; using a big word like "demographics" doesn't vindicate you. There's no study, survey, statistic, or fact to prove you right.

    "Most white people enjoyed the George Floyd video."

    "Most conservatives were at the January 6 riot."

    Phrases with the word "most" hold no water in 9 out of 10 of your leftist sentences.

    "Leftists" have had a problem with what Fox News is doing for decades. Just check out all of the "leftist" fact-checks calling out Fox News for their lies.

    But at least they have people like Peter Doocy asking questions at the White House. That's all they're good for.

    The Hunter Biden laptop story is a dead end? Are you sure it's not being covered up by the FBI? Trump is generating most of the "election was stolen" stuff; does that make him a secret "leftist," too?

    The laptop isn't Hunter's. Republicans have had long enough to do something about it if it was real, and they haven't. It doesn't mean that I trust Joe or anything, but I trust that the laptop story was Democrat disinformation. (Make it look like idiot conservatives tried to frame Hunter when really they did it themselves to make conservatives look bad in the long run.)

    Democrats are super organized. They know what they're doing, unlike Republicans.

    You do know that the natural progression of this delusional thinking will result in you believing that everyone except you is a "leftist," right? All it takes is for someone to say something you disagree with or shine
    a bad light on your beliefs, and suddenly they're playing for the other team. Eventually there will be no one left but you.

    I know that it's fun to diagnose each other's mental issues, but no, that's
    not a true diagnosis of me. Outside the BBS world, I don't care about anyone's political beliefs. I only come here for that.

    That's not an accurate perception of reality; that's paranoia. You might want to seek help.

    Nope, it's just Fox News that I think is the leftists. Dan Bongino seems like he wants to talk about elephants in the room, but he barely scratches the surface. I don't think it's his choice though, he's got to do what King Soros desires if he likes having a job.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Thursday, September 08, 2022 16:02:00
    Now you're catching on! They want to control conservatives, simila
    the way that George Soros controls you.
    Soros doesn't control liberals; that's an anti-semitic conspiracy theor
    while you may not consider yourself anti-semitic, espousal of said cons
    theory would suggest otherwise.
    So when the Israeli government, or Israeli citizens, claim that Soros is also attempting to influence their citizens and interfere with their government, is that considered anti-themselves?

    Do they complain that George Soros "controls" them?

    I take complaints of "interference" to mean that the Israeli government believes he is controlling something.

    It's a claim that's been around for a long, long time. For what it's worth, Soros also donates to conservative causes.

    I remember hearing about it sometime before the 2016 election, so it is not
    too new, yes.

    There is a lot of smoke from multiple places for there to be no fire anywhere.

    Did you know that the idea of a scapegoat originated with the ancient Hebrews?

    That sounds anti-semetic, i.e. that they blame Soros because they are
    Jewish and believe in scapegoats. Is that how you meant it?

    They were also, at times before the 2016 election was over, anti-Trump. Maybe FOX never fully got over that, either.

    I think that would depend on whether the reporters in question were in the news department or the entertainment department.

    I don't know which department they were in, but FOX did not seem to warm to
    him until sometime after he became the nominee.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Thursday, September 08, 2022 17:20:24
    On 08 Sep 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    I believe that Soros, or one of his companies, owns some local broadcast tv channels.

    Local broadcast TV channels... I see. Not unlike the local channels from
    which you purport to get your news. Was Soros' ownership of these local broadcast TV channels a news item on your local news?

    However, I can't be wrong that
    he colluded with Biden to import latinos

    How so? (Also, sounds kinda racist.)

    and now he's purchased 18
    (formerly) conservative latino radio stations

    As far as I can tell, a company associated with Soros helped finance a third party's acquisition of these stations. That's hardly a Soros "purchase."

    so he could propagate
    Joe's border buddies.

    That doesn't even make sense. How does one "propagate buddies?"

    I take it this means he contributes to the campaings of prosecutors don't prosecute things that you think should be prosecuted, rather th to the campaigns of prosecutors who don't prosecute at all.
    He contributes to the campaigns of bad prosecutors. It's his way of Defunding the Police.

    What sort of prosecutors? Prosecutors aren't in charge of police budgets.

    He also funds Democrats, who will later campaign on
    "re-elect us to solve the crime problem."
    Didn't Trump campaign on "law & order," tough-on-crime promises?
    The Joe Biden Crime Crisis is just that; a Joe Biden inspired crime crisis.

    And what exactly has Biden done to increase crime?

    It doesn't matter what George's political beliefs are, but what is that he's colluding with Democrats to wreck our country, so t can pander to idiots later on.
    Sure it matters. If Rupert Murdoch has Fox News being 'deceptive' in order to control conservatives because he's a secret leftist, and Sor has "his" news channels publishing "propaganda" in order to control t left, isn't there at least a possibility that he's a secret conservat who is colluding with Republicans?
    Propaganda appeals to weak minded voters. Republicans can't afford propaganda anyway. They are broke. Propaganda costs a ton.

    I see.

    They have no
    TV outlets, especially not broadcast TV outlets.

    If you say so, but there are many who would disagree.

    All Republicans have
    for propaganda is AM radio, and that's pathetic, because nobody listens
    to that except for people who are already conservatives,

    So Republican propaganda is a thing? And if propaganda appeals to weak-minded voters, as you've said, then people who are already conservatives must be weak-minded voters, no?

    and Sean
    Hannity just makes us look stupid anyway.

    No argument there. And Tucker Carlson does the same. But they're yours.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Thursday, September 08, 2022 17:28:20
    On 08 Sep 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    There's no "racist comrades." foxnews.com just needs to remove t comments section like every other news site has already done.
    To hide the racism of the racist comrades who don't exist. Have you thought that through? Racists share the same preference in news sites that you do.
    How do you know that? The racists who read CNN & MSNBC don't have a comments section.

    Because racism is a conservative phenomenon. One of the core tenets of conservatives is preserving the traditional power structure, and the traditional power structure is racist.

    They are definitely not leftist propagandists. They approach just abo everything with a conservative bent. But now that that's becoming inconvenient and/or embarassing to you, suddenly they're "leftists."
    Racism isn't conservative. Conservatives don't ask for cherry-picked police reports or for a racist comment section.

    Or do they? The conservatives posting racist comments in the comment section sure do seem to appreciate it.

    Not all whites are racist, but racists tend to be white in
    Racists don't "tend" to be white. It's racist to say that.
    It's not racist to point out actual demographics, and most of the racists in the US are white. It's interesting that you would take exception to that fact.
    You're full of it. You're the one who's racist. "Most of the racists.."
    Do you realize how full of it you are? You have no proof; using a big
    word like "demographics" doesn't vindicate you. There's no study,
    survey, statistic, or fact to prove you right.

    Just a lot of white racists.

    "Most white people enjoyed the George Floyd video."
    "Most conservatives were at the January 6 riot."
    Phrases with the word "most" hold no water in 9 out of 10 of your leftist sentences.

    At the very least, "most" means "more than 50%." And neither of those quotes came from me.

    "Leftists" have had a problem with what Fox News is doing for decades Just check out all of the "leftist" fact-checks calling out Fox News their lies.
    But at least they have people like Peter Doocy asking questions at the White House. That's all they're good for.

    Peter Doocy's questions are idiotic. Also, remember Jim Acosta getting his press credentials revoked for asking tough questions? Peter Doocy's still there. That says everything about the difference between these two administrations.

    The Hunter Biden laptop story is a dead end? Are you sure it's not be covered up by the FBI? Trump is generating most of the "election was stolen" stuff; does that make him a secret "leftist," too?
    The laptop isn't Hunter's. Republicans have had long enough to do something about it if it was real, and they haven't. It doesn't mean
    that I trust Joe or anything, but I trust that the laptop story was Democrat disinformation. (Make it look like idiot conservatives tried to frame Hunter when really they did it themselves to make conservatives
    look bad in the long run.)

    I see, so reverse reverse psychology. That's really stretching it, and plenty of conservatives (including some here) believe that the Hunter biden laptop story has some meat to it.

    Democrats are super organized. They know what they're doing, unlike Republicans.

    Ok, well, there's that.

    You do know that the natural progression of this delusional thinking result in you believing that everyone except you is a "leftist," righ All it takes is for someone to say something you disagree with or shi a bad light on your beliefs, and suddenly they're playing for the oth team. Eventually there will be no one left but you.
    I know that it's fun to diagnose each other's mental issues, but no, that's not a true diagnosis of me. Outside the BBS world, I don't care about anyone's political beliefs. I only come here for that.

    So outside of the BBS world, you don't actually believe that Fox News is secretly liberal? Interesting.

    That's not an accurate perception of reality; that's paranoia. You mi want to seek help.
    Nope, it's just Fox News that I think is the leftists. Dan Bongino seems like he wants to talk about elephants in the room, but he barely
    scratches the surface. I don't think it's his choice though, he's got to do what King Soros desires if he likes having a job.

    But only in the BBS world, right?

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Thursday, September 08, 2022 17:44:10
    On 08 Sep 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    Do they complain that George Soros "controls" them?
    I take complaints of "interference" to mean that the Israeli government believes he is controlling something.

    That is not necessarily true. Perhaps he is just donating funds to causes
    they don't like.

    There is a lot of smoke from multiple places for there to be no fir anywhere.
    Did you know that the idea of a scapegoat originated with the ancient Hebrews?
    That sounds anti-semetic, i.e. that they blame Soros because they are Jewish and believe in scapegoats. Is that how you meant it?

    Nobody "believes" in scapegoats. Scapegoats are what they are: innocent being sacrificed in the place of actual guilty parties.

    They were also, at times before the 2016 election was over, anti-Tr Maybe FOX never fully got over that, either.
    I think that would depend on whether the reporters in question were in t news department or the entertainment department.
    I don't know which department they were in, but FOX did not seem to warm to him until sometime after he became the nominee.

    Yeah, the same was true for just about all other non-far-right conservatives.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Wednesday, September 14, 2022 18:39:11
    On 14 Sep 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    Nobody "believes" in scapegoats. Scapegoats are what they are: innocent
    sacrificed in the place of actual guilty parties.
    It still sounds anti-semetic. Aaron doesn't like Soros because of reputation. Soros happens to be Jewish so, in your mind, Aaron say he
    doesn't like Soros is anti-semetic.
    The question is, why does Soros have the reputation that he does? Is he actually guilty of everything he's been accused of, or is he the victim anti-semitic smear campaign?
    And, again, since the people who believe he is mucking about in Israel
    are "semitic," I don't think that could be the case. I didn't even know he was Jewish, and I bet Aaron didn't either, until you told us so. I cannot speak for Aaron, but his religion and ethnicity are not a factor
    in any opinion I have of him.

    Soros' reputation long preceded any accusations made by Israelis.

    You should look into them more closely.

    He could be an ultra-conservative Christian from the Southern US, for all I would know or care. I somehow suspect one of us would care, though.

    But he's not. And you're buying into the accusations against him without researching the source of those accusations.

    Meanwhile, you used the supposed fact that the idea of scapegoats originated with the Hebrews as a way to cast doubt on the opinion t Israeli government also has of Soros because they are Hebrews.
    Perhaps he is their scapegoat.
    Could be, and could also be that his religion and ethnicity are an easy excuse for those who want to defend him.

    Or it could be that his religion and ethnicity got him the reputation you use to demonize him.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Wednesday, September 14, 2022 18:46:41
    On 14 Sep 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    Apparently he did not destroy the evidence. There are boxes of documents and they still apparently exist. It is not like he was
    That is actually much worse. Destroyed documents don't divulge informati documents that are stored in boxes somewhere can be stolen and read by people that are not cleared to do so.
    Exactly. I have mentioned that as a reason that the government should have been moving much faster to get them back but, for some reason, did not. If he is as irresponsible as is claimed, he certainly cannot be trusted to not show those documents to others during the several months
    he has had them. Especially Russian someones.

    The government was moving to get them back, but they were dealing with an ex-President. Politics required them to do so with kid gloves. Look what happened when they *did* move to take back the documents without Trump's consent.

    running a personal server that housed government correspondence tha then destroyed with Bleach Bit.
    "Person X might've done this, but Person Y did something worse!" is a logical fallacy. As I tell my kiddos, "we aren't talking about what your sibling did, we are talking about what you did."
    Thanks to you, we were discussing the destruction of evidence in the
    form of government documents and information, which makes it on topic.
    Do you not also tell your kiddos, "If you don't want to talk about it don't bring it up?" Pretty sure my parents did.

    Where I work, government records have retention poilicies, based on the type
    of record that it is. My understanding is that the deleted documents should have been deleted the previous year but weren't, and then were deleted independent of the subpoena.

    If you want to go with "but they did it, too," both Ivanka and Jared kept government correspondence on private servers, until they were instructed not to. It seems strange that they wouldn't know about that rule after Trump's whole "Lock her up" campaign, but that's what happened.

    Hillary was investigated and found to have been irresponsible, but other than that to have done nothing wrong.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Wednesday, September 14, 2022 18:48:44
    On 14 Sep 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    I have not noticed you presenting many citations. Like Jeff and others, we are expected to take your word for it.

    I present citations when necessary. When I don't, the issue in question is either common knowledge or a matter of the public record.

    Jeff.

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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Mike Powell on Thursday, September 15, 2022 21:09:31
    Hello Mike,

    [..]

    Perfect, you directly refuted my statement and presented citations that
    reinforce your rebuttal. That is exactly how logical debates are supposed
    to be handled. Good job!

    I have not noticed you presenting many citations. Like Jeff and others, we
    are expected to take your word for it.

    Blow me.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Thursday, September 15, 2022 15:57:00
    The government was moving to get them back, but they were dealing with an ex-President. Politics required them to do so with kid gloves. Look what happened when they *did* move to take back the documents without Trump's consent.

    Some people complained but nothing major has happened.

    Where I work, government records have retention poilicies, based on the type of record that it is. My understanding is that the deleted documents should have been deleted the previous year but weren't, and then were deleted independent of the subpoena.

    Are you allowed to keep them on a private server, where there is no
    "retention period" because they should not be there to begin with?

    Hillary was investigated and found to have been irresponsible, but other than that to have done nothing wrong.

    That there was any evidence remaining of.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Thursday, September 15, 2022 15:58:00
    I have not noticed you presenting many citations. Like Jeff and others, we are expected to take your word for it.

    I present citations when necessary. When I don't, the issue in question is either common knowledge or a matter of the public record.

    In past, you have told us that there is no such thing as "common sense," because of the "common" part of the phrase. If that is the case, I would
    argue that "common knowledge" is also non-existent.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Thursday, September 15, 2022 16:29:29
    On 15 Sep 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    The government was moving to get them back, but they were dealing with a ex-President. Politics required them to do so with kid gloves. Look what happened when they *did* move to take back the documents without Trump's consent.
    Some people complained but nothing major has happened.

    People, yourself included, have intimated that the search was politically motivated. However, they gave Trump multiple chances to come clean before
    they resorted to that. Had they gone straight to the search & seizure, I believe that the outcry would have been much greater and something major may very well have happened.

    Trump is right now threatening that very bad things will happen if he is indicted.

    Where I work, government records have retention poilicies, based on the of record that it is. My understanding is that the deleted documents sho have been deleted the previous year but weren't, and then were deleted independent of the subpoena.
    Are you allowed to keep them on a private server, where there is no "retention period" because they should not be there to begin with?

    No. But with the post-COVID work from home policies, some lines have become a bit more blurred. Am I allowed to keep such records on my work-issued laptop
    in my home? Yes. Are people who deal with paper-based records and work from home allowed to keep those records in their home? Yes, under lock and key.
    Are these records in our homes subject to records retention rules? Absolutely.

    Hillary was investigated and found to have been irresponsible, but other that to have done nothing wrong.
    That there was any evidence remaining of.

    Correct. And there is no evidence that the "missing" evidence to which you're alluding ever existed.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Thursday, September 15, 2022 16:30:48
    On 15 Sep 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    I have not noticed you presenting many citations. Like Jeff and ot we are expected to take your word for it.
    I present citations when necessary. When I don't, the issue in question either common knowledge or a matter of the public record.
    In past, you have told us that there is no such thing as "common sense," because of the "common" part of the phrase. If that is the case, I would argue that "common knowledge" is also non-existent.

    Common knowledge would encompass things like "Trump was the 45th President of the United States," etc. Things that no sane person would dispute.

    Jeff.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Alan Ianson on Wednesday, September 21, 2022 22:05:45
    No more rights for women to make their own choice.

    Al, that's ridiculous. We don't have that issue here. We have a federal gov
    and a state gov (don't you have a national gov plus a provincial gov?) Our national (federal we call it) gov has decided to back off the issue of
    abortion and let the states handle it as they please.

    No more democracy.

    It's much more democratic this way. Americans are diverse. People from California & Virginia are extreme *leftists* so they prefer to presereve a woman's right to murder her baby up until the day of birth. However, we've got our *rightest* (love that word) Americans in other areas who (democratically so) wish to restrict abortions. If you don't like it, then move to Virginia, and they'll let you murder it even after it's been born for a day.

    The list goes on.

    The propagation continues.

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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Aaron Thomas on Wednesday, September 21, 2022 16:41:44
    No more rights for women to make their own choice.

    Al, that's ridiculous.

    No, that's a fact.

    We don't have that issue here. We have a federal gov and a state gov (don't you have a national gov plus a provincial gov?) Our national (federal we
    call it) gov has decided to back off the issue of abortion and let the
    states handle it as they please.

    Sure, it's much the same here but we haven't tried to push the views of a minority on the majority. Such a thing is doomed to failure.

    No more democracy.

    It's much more democratic this way. Americans are diverse.

    It's much more democratic what way? But yes, Americans and Canadians and people of the world are very diverse.

    People from California & Virginia are extreme *leftists* so they prefer to presereve a woman's right to murder her baby up until the day of birth.

    Now that, is propaganda.

    However, we've got our *rightest* (love that word) Americans in other areas who (democratically so) wish to restrict abortions. If you don't like it, then move to Virginia, and they'll let you murder it even after it's been born for a day.

    It's not about murder, it never was. It's about a woman's right to choose for herself what to do in such a situation.

    The propagation continues.

    A woman in the US had this right up until an extremist SCOTUS over turned Roe V Wade a few short months ago. Today they do not (many of them). That's not propaganda. That is a fact.

    Roe V Wade was spoken of as settled law, a precedent. This issue alone could sink any party since it is wanted by a majority of the people.

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Thursday, September 22, 2022 08:09:50
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Jeff Thiele <=-

    Are the statistics about all of Trump's successes just a pile of propaganda?

    "It's amazing that so many people on the left are able to just ignore that which goes against their theories." -- Thomas Sowell

    How do you know that? I feel like conservatives are unified. Nobody
    cares if it's Trump or Romney; Joe's got to go. That's all.

    A common enemy is great at unifying people.

    So I guess Sleepy Joe was right (even a stopped clock is right twice a day) about being a unifier.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Thursday, September 22, 2022 09:08:25
    On 21 Sep 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    Some jews are actually guilty of the stuff that nazis
    Is that so? Examples, Nazi?
    I'm glad you ruined the conversation with name calling, because conservative upstate New Yorker and we don't care for color talk
    Do you not have any examples?
    What are some jews actually guilty of, as accused by Nazis?
    Trying to rule the world. George Soros is trying it, and he's jewish.

    I see. And what evidence do you have that Soros is "trying to rule the
    world?" Plenty of wealthy people make both political donations and business acquisitions. iHeartMedia (formerly Clear Channel Media) owns over 850 radio stations and was the primary carrier for the shows of Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity.

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Thursday, September 22, 2022 09:16:09
    On 21 Sep 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    Hahaha, no. Rightists have propaganda, too; it's just that you buy in it hook, line, and sinker. To you, it's not propaganda. However, you correct in that it is not working very well right now. Post 2015, it been increasingly aimed at Trump's far-right MAGA base and any conservatives caught between that and the center are not buying it. Hahaha, no. Rightists have propaganda, too; it's just that you buy in it hook, line, and sinker. To you, it's not propaganda. However, you correct in that it is not working very well right now. Post 2015, it been increasingly aimed at Trump's far-right MAGA base and any conservatives caught between that and the center are not buying it.

    Are the statistics about all of Trump's successes just a pile of propaganda?

    Good propaganda is a mixture of truth and lies.

    I don't know of any leftist propaganda clearing centers; as far as I tell that's your paranoia speaking. There is reality, though, which y may have confused for a leftist propaganda machine.
    They left you out in the cold, but surely the top dawgs like George and Oprah have clearance to enter the facility.

    I see. And what evidence do you have that such a facility exists? There is none.

    Republican politicians, and especially Trump, are not honest people. They're desperately trying to find a way to unify the Trumper MAGA ba with the traditional non-MAGA base, and are having difficulty doing s
    How do you know that?

    It's playing out right in front of you. MTG is actively encouraging the
    ouster of McConnell, for one thing.

    I feel like conservatives are unified.

    That's not an opinion supported by the facts at hand.

    Nobody
    cares if it's Trump or Romney; Joe's got to go. That's all.

    Just wait until it comes down to Trump or Romney (if that happens, which I doubt).

    Jeff.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to ALAN IANSON on Thursday, September 22, 2022 16:42:00
    We don't have that issue here. We have a federal gov and a state gov (don't you have a national gov plus a provincial gov?) Our national (federal we call it) gov has decided to back off the issue of abortion and let the states handle it as they please.

    Sure, it's much the same here but we haven't tried to push the views of a mino
    ty on the majority. Such a thing is doomed to failure.

    As Aaron pointed out, it is still readily available in places where the majority wants it to be so, and not in places where the majority does not.

    There were several years between the Roe v Wade decision and now where the Democrats had both a President and majority in congress yet chose not to
    codify it into national law.

    No more democracy.
    It's much more democratic this way. Americans are diverse.
    It's much more democratic what way? But yes, Americans and Canadians and peopl
    of the world are very diverse.

    Last I checked, we still have a greater freedom of speech, expression, and especially to assemble than you do in Canada. When we assemble, our Prime Minister does not freeze our assets, for example.

    However, we've got our *rightest* (love that word) Americans in other areas who (democratically so) wish to restrict abortions. If you don't like it, then move to Virginia, and they'll let you murder it even after it's been born for a day.

    It's not about murder, it never was. It's about a woman's right to choose for rself what to do in such a situation.

    It is murder if they can do it after birth. I have not confirmed Aaron's suggestion that they can in Virginia, but California was considering
    allowing babies carried to term to be terminiated after birth. I did not
    keep track of how far that got.

    The propagation continues.

    A woman in the US had this right up until an extremist SCOTUS over turned Roe Wade a few short months ago. Today they do not (many of them). That's not prop
    anda. That is a fact.

    Roe V Wade was spoken of as settled law, a precedent. This issue alone could s
    k any party since it is wanted by a majority of the people.

    Being spoken of something does not make it so. Aaron speaks of Trump being good, but that does not make it so. You speak of all sorts of things that
    are not so, and sometimes you later claim not to have spoken them when you realize as much.

    There were several years between Roe v Wade and now where the Democrats had both a President and majority in congress yet chose not to codify it into national law. That would have been a much better solution, if they wanted
    one, vs. a "spoken of" SCOTUS ruling.


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  • From Lee Lofaso@2:203/2 to Jeff Thiele on Friday, September 16, 2022 09:10:21
    Hello Jeff,

    I have not noticed you presenting many citations. Like Jeff
    and ot
    we are expected to take your word for it.
    I present citations when necessary. When I don't, the issue in
    question
    either common knowledge or a matter of the public record.
    In past, you have told us that there is no such thing as "common
    sense,"
    because of the "common" part of the phrase. If that is the case, I
    would
    argue that "common knowledge" is also non-existent.

    Common knowledge would encompass things like "Trump was the 45th President of
    the United States," etc. Things that no sane person would dispute.

    And if Barack Obama runs and wins the next election we can then
    say Obama was the 44th President and is now the 47th President.

    God forbid Trump45 ever becomes Trump47.
    But what a contest it would be!

    Trump47 vs Obama47

    Of course, that will not happen.
    Kamala Harris will take care of that.
    Meaning we will all have to wait for

    Trump48 vs Obama48

    For Life,
    Lee

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JEFF THIELE on Friday, September 16, 2022 16:03:00
    Some people complained but nothing major has happened.

    People, yourself included, have intimated that the search was politically motivated. However, they gave Trump multiple chances to come clean before they resorted to that. Had they gone straight to the search & seizure, I believe that the outcry would have been much greater and something major may very well have happened.

    Yes, "some people (including me) complained."

    Trump is right now threatening that very bad things will happen if he is indicted.

    You said that things had already happened.

    No. But with the post-COVID work from home policies, some lines have become a bit more blurred. Am I allowed to keep such records on my work-issued laptop in my home? Yes. Are people who deal with paper-based records and work from home allowed to keep those records in their home? Yes, under lock and key. Are these records in our homes subject to records retention rules? Absolutely.

    We are not allowed to keep Federal records in places such as work-issued laptops or in our homes. They have to stay on government owned servers and
    in goverment-owned (and marked!) file cabinets, and only certain servers
    and certain file cabinets. There have to be X number of levels of security
    one must pass through in order to physically access these servers and file-cabinets. Even when everyone was work-from-home full time, that was still the case.

    As the office of the SoS is a Federal office, I doubt the security on those articles was as loose as it apparently is in Texas with state data.

    Hillary was investigated and found to have been irresponsible, but othe
    that to have done nothing wrong.
    That there was any evidence remaining of.

    Correct. And there is no evidence that the "missing" evidence to which you're alluding ever existed.

    Secure deleting things from a server, using a product such as Bleach Bit,
    will not leave any such evidence.


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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Mike Powell on Friday, September 16, 2022 15:40:23
    On 16 Sep 2022, Mike Powell said the following...
    Some people complained but nothing major has happened.
    People, yourself included, have intimated that the search was politicall motivated. However, they gave Trump multiple chances to come clean befor they resorted to that. Had they gone straight to the search & seizure, I believe that the outcry would have been much greater and something major very well have happened.
    Yes, "some people (including me) complained."

    Yep.

    Trump is right now threatening that very bad things will happen if he is indicted.
    You said that things had already happened.

    No, I didn't. I said that the outcry would have been much greater had the DOJ gone straight to the search & seizure.

    No. But with the post-COVID work from home policies, some lines have bec bit more blurred. Am I allowed to keep such records on my work-issued la in my home? Yes. Are people who deal with paper-based records and work f home allowed to keep those records in their home? Yes, under lock and ke Are these records in our homes subject to records retention rules? Absolutely.
    We are not allowed to keep Federal records in places such as work-issued laptops or in our homes. They have to stay on government owned servers and in goverment-owned (and marked!) file cabinets, and only certain servers and certain file cabinets. There have to be X number of levels
    of security one must pass through in order to physically access these servers and file-cabinets. Even when everyone was work-from-home full time, that was still the case.

    Interesting.

    As the office of the SoS is a Federal office, I doubt the security on those articles was as loose as it apparently is in Texas with state data.

    Could be. Most of the "secrets" we deal with (although not myself personally) are related to personally identifiable information.

    Hillary was investigated and found to have been irresponsible, bu othe
    that to have done nothing wrong.
    That there was any evidence remaining of.
    Correct. And there is no evidence that the "missing" evidence to which y alluding ever existed.
    Secure deleting things from a server, using a product such as Bleach Bit, will not leave any such evidence.

    There is no evidence that any of the deleted emails were confidential.
    Perhaps if the server had been infiltrated prior to the deletion, there might be copies of those emails. But none have turned up, despite Trump's very
    public request for Russia to assist in locating them.

    Jeff.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Thursday, September 22, 2022 21:21:50
    I see. And what evidence do you have that Soros is "trying to rule the world?" Plenty of wealthy people make both political donations and business acquisitions. iHeartMedia (formerly Clear Channel Media) owns over 850 radio stations and was the primary carrier for the shows of
    Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity.

    I agree that "Plenty of wealthy people make both political donations and business acquisitions," but George played a huge role in Joe's campaign, joe began the importation service for 2 million hispanic illegals, millions more hispanic refugees from vacation countries, an entire prisonload of
    hispanic Honduran releasees.

    Ruling the free world, is what George is doing.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Jeff Thiele on Friday, September 23, 2022 12:31:43
    They left you out in the cold, but surely the top dawgs like George a Oprah have clearance to enter the facility.

    I see. And what evidence do you have that such a facility exists? There
    is none.

    The facility doesn't have to exist, there are other ways to communicate
    besides in-person meetings.

    They're desperately trying to find a way to unify the Trumper MA with the traditional non-MAGA base, and are having difficulty do
    How do you know that?

    It's playing out right in front of you. MTG is actively encouraging the ouster of McConnell, for one thing.

    Real conservatives know that MTG is a real problem and that Mitch Mcconnell being a problem is a leftist narrative. But that doesn't mean that we're not unified. Why is it important to leftists for conservatives to be divided? So that Fox News can brainwash us into voting against Trump in the primary?

    I feel like conservatives are unified.

    That's not an opinion supported by the facts at hand.

    What facts? You don't have "facts" about "division of conservatives."

    Just wait until it comes down to Trump or Romney (if that happens, which
    I doubt).

    That's all that matters to the leftists; "anything but Trump." Although I can ask any leftist "Why anybody but Trump?" and the best answer they can give is "because he was impeached!" or "because he said dead soldiers are losers!" or "because he beats his wife!"

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Friday, September 23, 2022 08:59:08
    On 22 Sep 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    I see. And what evidence do you have that Soros is "trying to rule th world?" Plenty of wealthy people make both political donations and business acquisitions. iHeartMedia (formerly Clear Channel Media) own over 850 radio stations and was the primary carrier for the shows of Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity.
    I agree that "Plenty of wealthy people make both political donations and business acquisitions,"

    And yet, that's what you've been complaining about with regard to Soros.

    but George played a huge role in Joe's campaign,

    How big of a role, beyond funding?

    joe began the importation service for 2 million hispanic illegals, millions more hispanic refugees from vacation countries, an entire prisonload of hispanic Honduran releasees.

    What is your evidence for this breakdown?

    Ruling the free world, is what George is doing.

    I'm not seeing it. He helped a guy get elected, and that guy did some things you didn't like. That's not ruling the world.

    Here are the top contributors to Trump's 2016 campaign: https://www.opensecrets.org/pres16/contributors?id=n00023864

    Are they trying to rule the world? How is what they're doing any different
    from what Soros is doing?

    Jeff.

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  • From Jeff Thiele@1:387/26 to Aaron Thomas on Friday, September 23, 2022 09:29:23
    On 23 Sep 2022, Aaron Thomas said the following...
    They left you out in the cold, but surely the top dawgs like Geo Oprah have clearance to enter the facility.
    I see. And what evidence do you have that such a facility exists? The is none.
    The facility doesn't have to exist, there are other ways to communicate besides in-person meetings.

    Sure, Democrats have strategy meetings, but so do Republicans. And just about every other group that relies on a strategy or set of strategies to get their job done.

    They're desperately trying to find a way to unify the Trump with the traditional non-MAGA base, and are having difficul
    How do you know that?
    It's playing out right in front of you. MTG is actively encouraging t ouster of McConnell, for one thing.
    Real conservatives know that MTG is a real problem

    That does not refute my statement, but only lends it credence.

    Mitch
    Mcconnell being a problem is a leftist narrative.

    Somehow I don't think MTG, the prime purveyor of this narrative, is a leftist.

    But that doesn't mean
    that we're not unified. Why is it important to leftists for
    conservatives to be divided?

    A divided conservative base is good for liberals, just as a divided liberal base is good for conservatives. However, the current divided state of the conservative party is also just an observation.

    So that Fox News can brainwash us into
    voting against Trump in the primary?

    Keeping Trump out of the presidency would be good, yes, but Fox News' programming (which, if you'll recall, doesn't count because only cable subscribers watch it) is beyond the control of liberals.

    I feel like conservatives are unified.
    That's not an opinion supported by the facts at hand.
    What facts? You don't have "facts" about "division of conservatives."

    Sure I do. Here's just a taste: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/gop-sees-internal-divides-broader-trump-note/st ory?id=83212895

    Just wait until it comes down to Trump or Romney (if that happens, wh I doubt).
    That's all that matters to the leftists; "anything but Trump."

    To a degree, yes. Trump cannot be allowed into office again.

    Although
    I can ask any leftist "Why anybody but Trump?" and the best answer they can give is "because he was impeached!" or "because he said dead
    soldiers are losers!" or "because he beats his wife!"

    Which "leftists" have you been asking? Trump is a liar, a cheat, and a thief;
    a criminal, corrupt AF anti-American who tried to stage a coup.

    Jeff.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:275/99 to Mike Powell on Friday, September 23, 2022 12:57:24
    There were several years between Roe v Wade and now where the Democrats had both a President and majority in congress yet chose not to codify it into national law. That would have been a much better solution, if they wanted one, vs. a "spoken of" SCOTUS ruling.

    Yea, but that's not what the media says.

    (If Al ever visits the USA, we'd better steer him away from any used car dealerships along the way!)

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  • From Rebecca Marie@1:124/5016 to Mike Powell on Thursday, September 22, 2022 16:01:00
    Mike Powell wrote to REBECCA MARIE <=-

    That is actually much worse. Destroyed documents don't divulge information, documents that are stored in boxes somewhere can be stolen and read by people that are not cleared to do so.

    Exactly. I have mentioned that as a reason that the government should have been moving much faster to get them back but, for some reason, did

    It wasn't for "some reason", it was for a multitude of reasons. Some of
    which you pointed out yourself as a reason that Trump didn't do anything
    wrong (like saying that they were in the process of returning the
    documents). The Trump team stretched out the timeline as long as they
    could, until it got to the point where there was no choice but to go and
    take them.

    not. If he is as irresponsible as is claimed, he certainly cannot be trusted to not show those documents to others during the several months
    he has had them. Especially Russian someones.

    That is exactly right. Hooray, Mike, you finally got there!!!

    Thanks to you, we were discussing the destruction of evidence in the
    form of government documents and information, which makes it on topic.

    No, it doesn't. We are talking about a former President removing/destroying Presidential documents.


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  • From Rebecca Marie@1:124/5016 to Aaron Thomas on Thursday, September 22, 2022 16:09:00
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Rebecca Marie <=-

    So that leads to an obvious question: during the Blue wave, was that conservative leaders trying to trick progressives to think "It's ok if I don't vote, the blue wave's got me covered?"

    Republicans are not organized enough to pull stunts like that. They
    know nothing about psychology, or about getting up off their butts.

    Hmmm... It's possible you have a point there.... (:


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  • From Alan Ianson@1:153/757 to Mike Powell on Friday, September 23, 2022 11:18:34
    As Aaron pointed out, it is still readily available in places where the majority wants it to be so, and not in places where the majority does not.

    That is not true, and it is not what we are talking about.

    There were several years between the Roe v Wade decision and now where the Democrats had both a President and majority in congress yet chose not to codify it into national law.

    Yes, roe v wade is settled law and precedent for 40 or 50 years.

    https://youtu.be/Bjs-qO0N2ZI

    The issue is not about democrats codifying law. It was the law until a radical supreme court stepped all over it a few months ago.

    Last I checked, we still have a greater freedom of speech, expression, and especially to assemble than you do in Canada. When we assemble, our Prime Minister does not freeze our assets, for example.

    We are not talking about freedom but I have plenty of freedom in Canada and my assets have not been frozen.

    It is murder if they can do it after birth. I have not confirmed Aaron's suggestion that they can in Virginia, but California was considering
    allowing babies carried to term to be terminiated after birth. I did not keep track of how far that got.

    This is not what the pro-choice side is doing, it is another right wing talking point.

    Being spoken of something does not make it so.

    Are you suggesting that Roe V Wade was not considered to be precedent, or settled law?

    https://youtu.be/ks1skEKwlrk

    Aaron speaks of Trump being good, but that does not make it so.

    No, it doesn't.

    You speak of all sorts of things that are not so, and sometimes you later
    claim > not to have spoken them when you realize as much.

    Can you give me an example?

    There were several years between Roe v Wade and now where the Democrats had both a President and majority in congress yet chose not to codify it into national law. That would have been a much better solution, if they wanted one, vs. a "spoken of" SCOTUS ruling.

    It would have been better but why would they do that?

    It seems today the republican party wants to (and is working on) a national abortion ban of some sort.

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