Mike Powell wrote to Rebecca Marie <=-

Y'all really need to learn how to not just hear what someone says, but *listen* to what they say also. Obama's remark was very much like what I
say on the last day of vacation: "Damn, I wish I could stay here another week!"

I am pretty certain I could say that about a lot of things that Donald Trump said, too. The person I was conversing with would not take that well as, to them, everything Trump says should be taken literally.

Two things here:

1 - "Someone else does it too!" is not a logical argument, it's what
children say when they were caught breaking rules.
2 - Difficulties with verbal comprehension and critical thinking happen on
both sides of the political schism, but they *appear* to happen much more
often on the right/conservative side. For example, how many times in the
last week have you stated "President Obama wanted violate the constitution
and get a third term, or he wants a puppet he can control" when that is demonstrably not true?



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Lee Lofaso wrote to Rebecca Marie <=-

Of course, we all know he chose not to run for a third consecutive
term. Although he did not say why, we all know the truth - his wife
would not let him.

LOL! I wonder if I have that much control in my marriage. Wife-power!


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They did not destroy your country. It was Trump who tried to subvert democracy
by attempting a coup; not Biden, not Obama. I remember conservatives being very concerned that Obama was going to attempt to run for an illegal third term -- but when it came down to it those fears never materialized, not even remotely close. But when your guy tries to illegally retain power, it's apparently no big deal.

Obama once said that he would like to run for a third term but, since he
could not, that he would like to have someone else who would run and be the face of the office while he was the one in the background actually getting things done.

Since he came right out and said it...

So now of course some believe that the "someone else" in Obama's scenario
could be Biden.


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On 29 Aug 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

They did not destroy your country. It was Trump who tried to subvert democracy
by attempting a coup; not Biden, not Obama. I remember conservatives bei very concerned that Obama was going to attempt to run for an illegal thi term -- but when it came down to it those fears never materialized, not remotely close. But when your guy tries to illegally retain power, it's apparently no big deal.

Obama once said that he would like to run for a third term but, since he could not, that he would like to have someone else who would run and be the face of the office while he was the one in the background actually getting things done.

He acknowledged that he could not, and he never tried. Aside from that, all presidents have advisors, and many have consulted with former presidents from both sides of the aisle. There are even photos of Trump being brought up to speed by Obama.

Since he came right out and said it...

Obama is not the president.

So now of course some believe that the "someone else" in Obama's scenario could be Biden.

Obama would be a good resource for advice on presidential matters. However,
he is not on Biden's staff and has not been particularly active in Biden's administration, if at all.

Jeff.

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Hello Mike,

Obama once said that he would like to run for a third term but, since he could not, that he would like to have someone else who would run and be the
face of the office while he was the one in the background actually getting things done.

You are so full of shit your eyes are turning brown.
Obama said he could run, despite the 22nd Amendment, and that he
would win. And that the USSC would do nothing, acknowledging the
vote itself as being the will of the people.

Obama says what he means, and he means what he says.

Since he came right out and said it...

Too bad you didn't understand a word of what he said.

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Hello Jeff,

Obama once said that he would like to run for a third term but, MP>since

he could not, that he would like to have someone else who MP>would run and be the face of the office while he was the one in MP>the background actually getting things done.

He acknowledged that he could not, and he never tried.

Not true. What he said is if he would run for another term he would
win. And that the USSC would not make any ruling in the matter, so as
not to go against the will of the people.

Aside from that, all presidents have advisors, and many have consulted with
former presidents from both sides of the aisle.

I do not believe President Biden has sought any advice from private
citizen Donald Trump.

There are even photos of Trump being brought up to speed by Obama.

There are photos of President Joe Biden visiting Jimmy Carter.

Since he came right out and said it...

Obama is not the president.

Neither is Bill Clinton. Or Jimmy Carter. Or the one remaining
Repblican, George W. Bush.

So now of course some believe that the "someone else" in Obama's
scenario could be Biden.

Obama would be a good resource for advice on presidential matters.

Trump could also be a good resource for advice. But can or should
he be trusted? That is the question.

However, he is not on Biden's staff and has not been particularly active in
Biden's administration, if at all.

There are some matters in which a former president's knowledge
and/or insights can be very helpful. For example, Trump has met
the North Korean leader in person, and Biden might want to find
out how to get an invitation.

Trump has also met Putin in person. And in private, with nobody
else present. Such secret talks, in Helsinki, with the two leaders
discussing how to divide the world between themselves.

Just think about what could be done with a Biden-Putin summit
in Moscow. At the Kremlin. In secret. With nobody else present.

The special military operation in Ukraine would be over.
Instantly. With no more Jewish Nazis being around anywhere
to threaten sacred Russia.

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On 30 Aug 2022, Lee Lofaso said the following...

He acknowledged that he could not, and he never tried.

Not true. What he said is if he would run for another term he would
win. And that the USSC would not make any ruling in the matter, so as
not to go against the will of the people.

He did not try, despite his adamance that he would win if he did. It was more of a thought experiment than a threat.

Jeff.

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Obama once said that he would like to run for a third term but, since he could not, that he would like to have someone else who would run and be the face of the office while he was the one in the background actually getting things done.

He acknowledged that he could not, and he never tried. Aside from that, all presidents have advisors, and many have consulted with former presidents from both sides of the aisle. There are even photos of Trump being brought up to speed by Obama.

He acknowleged he could not run for a legit third term. In the same conversation, he also acknowledged that he would like to run for a secret
third term by having someone else run that he could manipulate. I do not believe he acknowledged that he could not do that.

Since he came right out and said it...

Obama is not the president.

Yes, Biden is.

So now of course some believe that the "someone else" in Obama's scenario
could be Biden.

Obama would be a good resource for advice on presidential matters. However, he is not on Biden's staff and has not been particularly active in Biden's administration, if at all.

That we know of.


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On 31 Aug 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

Obama once said that he would like to run for a third term but, sin could not, that he would like to have someone else who would run an the face of the office while he was the one in the background actua getting things done.

He acknowledged that he could not, and he never tried. Aside from that, presidents have advisors, and many have consulted with former presidents both sides of the aisle. There are even photos of Trump being brought up speed by Obama.

He acknowleged he could not run for a legit third term. In the same conversation, he also acknowledged that he would like to run for a secret third term by having someone else run that he could manipulate. I do not believe he acknowledged that he could not do that.

Is there anything preventing him from doing that? Is there any evidence that
he has done that?

Since he came right out and said it...

Obama is not the president.

Yes, Biden is.

There you go.

So now of course some believe that the "someone else" in Obama's scenario
could be Biden.

Obama would be a good resource for advice on presidential matters. Howev he is not on Biden's staff and has not been particularly active in Biden administration, if at all.

That we know of.

So you are relying on what we don't know to make this accusation?

Jeff.

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Hello Jeff,

He acknowledged that he could not, and he never tried.

Not true. What he said is if he would run for another term he would
win. And that the USSC would not make any ruling in the matter, so as
not to go against the will of the people.

He did not try, despite his adamance that he would win if he did.

His wife wanted him to take some time off. So, like a good husband,
he did as he was told.

It was more of a thought experiment than a threat.

He was reminding the press that he would win if he had chosen to run
for a third consecutive term. And that the USSC would have done nothing
to stop him, or to throw out the results.

Read the 22nd Amendment. Very carefully. We know Barack Obama chose
not to run for a third consecutive term, for reasons of his own. And
he cited his reasons why he would win, and why the courts would allow
the results to stand.

If polls continue to show Joe Biden as unable to win in 2024, the
Democrats will look for a candidate who will win. And that candidate
will not be Kamala Harris, as poll numbers show her as less popular
than Joe Biden.

So who do you think the Democrats will nominate as their candidate
for 2024? You got it, buddy. Barack Hussein Obama. The once and future
king.

Obama 44
Trump 45
Biden 46
Obama 47

See how that works?
Barack Obama, with a new first term, with a second term to follow.
Thus tying FDR with four terms.

At age 60, he has time to do it. :)

For Life,
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So you are relying on what we don't know to make this accusation?

My recollection is that:

(1) I did accuse Obama of saying he wished he could run for a third term
and, since he can't, he wished he could find someone to run that would let
him run things in the background. There is video evidence of this one so I feel pretty confident about it.

(2) I said that, because of (1), I can see where some people wonder if it didn't happen. I didn't say it happened.

It is not like Limbaugh, or his modern equal, said that and got people
thinking about it. Obama himself said it during a TV interview.

When the idea comes straight out of the horse's mouth, how can you blame
some people for wondering about it?


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On 01 Sep 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

When the idea comes straight out of the horse's mouth, how can you blame some people for wondering about it?

I see. Kind of like, "Russia, if you're listening, I hope you can find the 30,000 emails that are missing?"

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He acknowleged he could not run for a legit third term.

Bullshit.

In the same conversation, he also acknowledged that he would like to run for
a secret third term by having someone else run that he could manipulate. I
do not believe he acknowledged that he could not do that.

What the fuck are you smoking, dude? Whatever it is, it must be
toxic to the brain! If you are going to make stuff up, as you often
do, at least try to support/substantiate your wild claims.

Since he came right out and said it...

Before he left office, Obama said he could have run for a third
consecutive term, and that had he done so he would have won, and
that the USSC would have done nothing to overturn the results of
the election.

I can post a transcript, with cite. Would you like me to do that?

Obama is not the president.

Yes, Biden is.

Not according to Trump.

For Life,
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So you are relying on what we don't know to make this accusation?

My recollection is that:

(1) I did accuse Obama of saying he wished he could run for a third term and, since he can't, he wished he could find someone to run that would let him run things in the background. There is video evidence of this one so I
feel pretty confident about it.

I can post the transcript (with cite) of what Barack Obama actually
said to show Mike Powell is full of shit. Would you like me to do that?

(2) I said that, because of (1), I can see where some people wonder if it didn't happen. I didn't say it happened.

Mike Powell falsely claimed Obama of saying he wished he could run for
a third term. It is plain and obvious that Barack Obama chose not to
run for a third consecutive term, as history shows. But he did say he
could have. And would have won had he done so.

It is not like Limbaugh, or his modern equal, said that and got people thinking about it. Obama himself said it during a TV interview.

I can post the transcript (with cite). It would prove embarrassing
to Mike Powell if I would do so, but I will leave it up to him and
others to decide.

When the idea comes straight out of the horse's mouth, how can you blame some people for wondering about it?

There is nothing to wonder about. Obama said what he said, in plain
and simple English. And do realize, he can always run for a new first
term, and subsequent second consecutive term, thus equalling FDR's
feat of serving four presidential terms in office.

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Mike Powell said to Jeff Thiele: <=-

Obama once said that he would like to run for a third term but, since he could not, that he would like to have someone else who would run and be

Y'all really need to learn how to not just hear what someone says, but
*listen* to what they say also. Obama's remark was very much like what I
say on the last day of vacation: "Damn, I wish I could stay here another
week!"

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Obama once said that he would like to run for a third term but, since he could not, that he would like to have someone else who would run and be

Y'all really need to learn how to not just hear what someone says, but *listen* to what they say also. Obama's remark was very much like what I
say on the last day of vacation: "Damn, I wish I could stay here another week!"

I am pretty certain I could say that about a lot of things that Donald
Trump said, too. The person I was conversing with would not take that well
as, to them, everything Trump says should be taken literally.


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On 01 Sep 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

When the idea comes straight out of the horse's mouth, how can you blame some people for wondering about it?

I see. Kind of like, "Russia, if you're listening, I hope you can find the 30,000 emails that are missing?"

Hillary's insecure private server was hacked long before she and her crew Bleached it.


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On 02 Sep 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

When the idea comes straight out of the horse's mouth, how can you some people for wondering about it?

I see. Kind of like, "Russia, if you're listening, I hope you can find t 30,000 emails that are missing?"

Hillary's insecure private server was hacked long before she and her crew Bleached it.

Perhaps, perhaps not. But what's that got to do with the horse's mouth?

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Hello Rebecca,

Obama once said that he would like to run for a third term but, since he
could not, that he would like to have someone else who would run and be

Y'all really need to learn how to not just hear what someone says, but *listen* to what they say also. Obama's remark was very much like what I say on the last day of vacation: "Damn, I wish I could stay here another week!"

In addition to being a two-term POTUS, Obama also taught Constitutional
law. He said if he would run for a third consecutive term he would win.
In the same speech, he also said the USSC would do nothing to stop him,
or to overturn the results.

Of course, we all know he chose not to run for a third consecutive
term. Although he did not say why, we all know the truth - his wife
would not let him.

For Life,
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Mike Powell said to Jeff Thiele: <=-

(1) I did accuse Obama of saying he wished he could run for a third
term and, since he can't, he wished he could find someone to run that
would let him run things in the background. There is video evidence of this one so I feel pretty confident about it.

What he actually said was (via NPR):

---------- 8< ----------
President Obama expressed confidence that he would have won the 2016 election had it been possible for him to seek a third term.

The president argued that a majority of Americans continue to support his progressive vision for the country.

"I am confident in this vision, because I'm confident that if I had run
again and articulated it, I think I could have mobilized a majority of the American people to rally behind it," the president said.

"I know that in conversations that I've had with people around the country," he continued, "even some people who disagreed with me, they would say,
'The vision, the direction that you point towards is the right one.' "

---------- >8 ----------

President Obama was not saying that he wanted someone that he could
control, he said that he was hoping for someone that could take up the
movement that he started and continue that forward. He was looking to pass
on the torch, not try to control it.

I swear, your side really needs to try to learn some basic verbal
comprehension sometime.

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