Jeff Thiele wrote to Rebecca Marie <=-

I don't know what it is about having those Secret docs,
but he seems willing to fight to keep them. Does he think that they have secrets to the Lost Ark or something?

I don't, either. But he must've thought they'd provide him with some benefit.

Maybe so, but that seems like a lot of forethought, and I don't think that Trump does much of that. If I were forced to make a guess, I'd guess he
never even stopped to look at what records he had, he just wanted to grab "stuff" that he could leave with and look through at a different time.


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Mike Powell wrote to JEFF THIELE <=-

But they do control when they react. Trump could have turned them
over, and the fact that he didn't turn them over a long time ago should have made it obvious to Archives, the DOJ, and the FBI that he was not

The factor that you keep apparently refusing to take into account is that
we're talking about a former President of the United States. This isn't
like Harry in accounting having a document. The FBI would've knocked down Harry's door the next day. But before you level any charges against a
former President, you have to make sure you have all your Is dotted, your
Ts crossed, and you have a *ton* of evidence.

Then again, this is the same FBI who tracks potentially dangerous
persons but then does nothing until they've actually shot up a bunch of people.

I am not certain that you know how law enforcement or the justice
department operates...

things. Additionally, he was given ample time to turn over all of the documents. He didn't.

He was given more than ample time... too much time.

You are exactly right with that statement, but not for the reason you
think.

about it? No, because waiting that two years for *you* to "give
yourself up" or return the documents would not produce any political result.

I *know* they'd not wait two years to see if I can be trusted to do the right thing or not.

No offense Mike, but you are *not* a former President of the United States. Presidents live in a completely different world than we do, and they have
their own sets of rules, written and unwritten. You can't compare what
would happen to a President against what would happen to Joe Blow (or Mike Powell <grin>)

If you get to the point where you have a Secret Service detail, then you
might have more info to shed on this situation.


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Mike Powell wrote to JEFF THIELE <=-

I'm not an ex-president with a lot of lawyers.

And waiting two years makes those lawyers go away, and doesn't give
them more time to build a defense?

*sigh*

Mike, your continued flogging this dead horse saddens me. :(


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Mike Powell wrote to JEFF THIELE <=-

But they do control when they react. Trump could have turned them
over, and the fact that he didn't turn them over a long time ago should have made it obvious to Archives, the DOJ, and the FBI that he was not

The factor that you keep apparently refusing to take into account is that we're talking about a former President of the United States. This isn't
like Harry in accounting having a document. The FBI would've knocked down Harry's door the next day. But before you level any charges against a
former President, you have to make sure you have all your Is dotted, your
Ts crossed, and you have a *ton* of evidence.

They knew he had them. He did not deny having them. He was not turning
them over as required. What other evidence did they need?

Then again, this is the same FBI who tracks potentially dangerous persons but then does nothing until they've actually shot up a bunch of people.

I am not certain that you know how law enforcement or the justice
department operates...

If they have committed illegal acts that get them labeled as potentially dangerous, then why are they still out and about? If they haven't done anything illegal, keeping in mind that threats of violence are illegal, why
are they considered dangerous?


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Mike Powell wrote to JEFF THIELE <=-

I'm not an ex-president with a lot of lawyers.

And waiting two years makes those lawyers go away, and doesn't give
them more time to build a defense?

*sigh*

Mike, your continued flogging this dead horse saddens me. :(

Your continued joining of discussions after they've ended saddens me. :(


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He also questions the timing of the search and why the FBI waited until right before the midterms when the issue has been ongoing for over two years now. Pretty sure I know the answer to that question...

Do you, though? When considering how long the FBI waited, have you also considered how long they *didn't* wait? Have you considered that the search of Mar-a-Lago would have been much more politically effective as an "October surprise?" The issue has been going on for two years now, but that's irrelevant to the timing of the execution of the search warrant. The government spent time trying to negotiate with Trump for the return of the documents (all of them), and then a subpoena was issued in the spring of 2022. Failure to respond to the subpoena brought a visit by federal agents in Jnue of 2022 when some, but not all, of the documents were retrieved.

Trump had an opportunity two months before the search warrant was executed to return all of the documents. And you think it was the FBI stretching out the timeline? It was all Trump.

For the last two months, yes, it was Trump, but two months <> two years.

They timed it now because the Democrats were going to need help for their midterms, and effective help was not going to come from Biden. My guess is that otherwise they'd have indeed saved it for an October surprise.


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On 31 Aug 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

He also questions the timing of the search and why the FBI waited u right before the midterms when the issue has been ongoing for over years now. Pretty sure I know the answer to that question...

Do you, though? When considering how long the FBI waited, have you also considered how long they *didn't* wait? Have you considered that the sea of Mar-a-Lago would have been much more politically effective as an "Oct surprise?" The issue has been going on for two years now, but that's irrelevant to the timing of the execution of the search warrant. The government spent time trying to negotiate with Trump for the return of t documents (all of them), and then a subpoena was issued in the spring of 2022. Failure to respond to the subpoena brought a visit by federal agen Jnue of 2022 when some, but not all, of the documents were retrieved. Trump had an opportunity two months before the search warrant was execut return all of the documents. And you think it was the FBI stretching out timeline? It was all Trump.

For the last two months, yes, it was Trump, but two months <> two years.

Trump has been leading, and misleading, the National Archives along for some time. He's had at least three opportunities to turn everything over and did not.

They timed it now because the Democrats were going to need help for their midterms, and effective help was not going to come from Biden. My guess is that otherwise they'd have indeed saved it for an October surprise.

That makes no sense. "October surprises" can happen in the midterms, too. You are baselessly accusing the FBI of waiting two months in order for it to be closer to the midterms, based on the assumption that the closer such news is
to the midterms is, the more damaging it is. Well, they could have waited
four months, couldn't they have? But they didn't.

And now the DOJ is saying that there won't be any indictments before the midterm elections, which kind of pops your whole balloon.

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Trump has been leading, and misleading, the National Archives along for some time. He's had at least three opportunities to turn everything over and did not.

Yes, and the government has had a couple of years to get tired of this and accelerate their efforts, but waited until now. Trump does not control
them.

They timed it now because the Democrats were going to need help for their
midterms, and effective help was not going to come from Biden. My guess is that otherwise they'd have indeed saved it for an October surprise.

That makes no sense. "October surprises" can happen in the midterms, too. You are baselessly accusing the FBI of waiting two months in order for it to be closer to the midterms, based on the assumption that the closer such news is to the midterms is, the more damaging it is. Well, they could have waited four months, couldn't they have? But they didn't.

No, I am accusing them of waiting for two years, which I admit assumes they are smart enough to figure out that sensitive documents are even missing. You are the one that keeps bringing up "two months."

If they were that sensitive, and the FBI knew that Trump removed them, they should have been after them. If we are to believe the narrative that Trump
is irresponsible with the documents, who knows who could have seen them
during those two years.

At my current job, I have access to sensitive data. If I even suspect that there is a breach, if I wait two years... or, to suit you, even two
months... to do anything about it I am likely going to federal prison if it turns out there was a breach and I did nothing about it.

And now the DOJ is saying that there won't be any indictments before the midterm elections, which kind of pops your whole balloon.

He is not indicted, but you already think he is guilty, right?


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On 01 Sep 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

Trump has been leading, and misleading, the National Archives along for time. He's had at least three opportunities to turn everything over and not.

Yes, and the government has had a couple of years to get tired of this
and accelerate their efforts, but waited until now. Trump does not control them.

He had plenty of opportunities to avoid this. The longer they gave him, the more opportunites he had. He could have turned the stuff over at any time. He didn't. They do not control Trump.

They timed it now because the Democrats were going to need help for their
midterms, and effective help was not going to come from Biden. My is that otherwise they'd have indeed saved it for an October surpri

That makes no sense. "October surprises" can happen in the midterms, too are baselessly accusing the FBI of waiting two months in order for it to closer to the midterms, based on the assumption that the closer such new to the midterms is, the more damaging it is. Well, they could have waite four months, couldn't they have? But they didn't.

No, I am accusing them of waiting for two years, which I admit assumes they are smart enough to figure out that sensitive documents are even missing. You are the one that keeps bringing up "two months."

Trump had two years to turn over the documents. He didn't. Why not?

If they were that sensitive, and the FBI knew that Trump removed them, they should have been after them. If we are to believe the narrative
that Trump is irresponsible with the documents, who knows who could have seen them during those two years.

Indeed. The government was given false assurances by Trump and his lawyers
that all of the documents had been turned over, which probably delayed
things. Additionally, he was given ample time to turn over all of the documents. He didn't.

At my current job, I have access to sensitive data. If I even suspect that there is a breach, if I wait two years... or, to suit you, even two months... to do anything about it I am likely going to federal prison if it turns out there was a breach and I did nothing about it.

Same. And the same if I'm found to be the originator of that breach.

And now the DOJ is saying that there won't be any indictments before the midterm elections, which kind of pops your whole balloon.

He is not indicted, but you already think he is guilty, right?

Of course. He's admitted as much. At first he tried to say that the FBI
planted the documents, but then when the DOJ submitted photographs of the documents laid out on the floor, Trump claimed that he didn't keep them on
the floor like that; he kept them in crates. Oops!

Jeff.

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Jeff Thiele said to Mike Powell: <=-

3. Trump could have short-circuited this whole thing 2 months ago by complying with NARA requests to return all documents that Trump
shouldn't have had. In failing to do so, Trump brought the FBI search on himself.

And he could've made the entire thing unnecessary if he had done as past presidents before him and not taken top secret docs with him when he left
the White House. I don't know what it is about having those Secret docs,
but he seems willing to fight to keep them. Does he think that they have secrets to the Lost Ark or something?

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On 01 Sep 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

Trump has been leading, and misleading, the National Archives along for
time. He's had at least three opportunities to turn everything over and
not.

Yes, and the government has had a couple of years to get tired of this and accelerate their efforts, but waited until now. Trump does not control them.

He had plenty of opportunities to avoid this. The longer they gave him, the more opportunites he had. He could have turned the stuff over at any time. He didn't. They do not control Trump.

But they do control when they react. Trump could have turned them over,
and the fact that he didn't turn them over a long time ago should have made
it obvious to Archives, the DOJ, and the FBI that he was not going to.

Then again, this is the same FBI who tracks potentially dangerous persons
but then does nothing until they've actually shot up a bunch of people.

If they were that sensitive, and the FBI knew that Trump removed them, they should have been after them. If we are to believe the narrative that Trump is irresponsible with the documents, who knows who could have seen them during those two years.

Indeed. The government was given false assurances by Trump and his lawyers that all of the documents had been turned over, which probably delayed things. Additionally, he was given ample time to turn over all of the documents. He didn't.

He was given more than ample time... too much time.

At my current job, I have access to sensitive data. If I even suspect that there is a breach, if I wait two years... or, to suit you, even two months... to do anything about it I am likely going to federal prison if it turns out there was a breach and I did nothing about it.

Same. And the same if I'm found to be the originator of that breach.

So, do you think they'd wait two years to come after you if they knew about
it? No, because waiting that two years for *you* to "give yourself up" or return the documents would not produce any political result.

I *know* they'd not wait two years to see if I can be trusted to do the
right thing or not.

And now the DOJ is saying that there won't be any indictments before th
midterm elections, which kind of pops your whole balloon.

He is not indicted, but you already think he is guilty, right?

Of course. He's admitted as much. At first he tried to say that the FBI planted the documents, but then when the DOJ submitted photographs of the documents laid out on the floor, Trump claimed that he didn't keep them on the floor like that; he kept them in crates. Oops!

OK, so what was your point regarding indictments before the midterms?


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Jeff Thiele said to Mike Powell: <=-

3. Trump could have short-circuited this whole thing 2 months ago by complying with NARA requests to return all documents that Trump
shouldn't have had. In failing to do so, Trump brought the FBI search on himself.

And he could've made the entire thing unnecessary if he had done as past presidents before him and not taken top secret docs with him when he left
the White House. I don't know what it is about having those Secret docs,
but he seems willing to fight to keep them. Does he think that they have secrets to the Lost Ark or something?

Neither party involved in this conversation has disputed that he should not have taken them. I think it is really weird considering how often he
talked about Hillary's carelessness with government emails.


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On 02 Sep 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

Yes, and the government has had a couple of years to get tired of t and accelerate their efforts, but waited until now. Trump does not control them.

He had plenty of opportunities to avoid this. The longer they gave him, more opportunites he had. He could have turned the stuff over at any tim didn't. They do not control Trump.

But they do control when they react. Trump could have turned them over, and the fact that he didn't turn them over a long time ago should have made it obvious to Archives, the DOJ, and the FBI that he was not going to.

Perhaps they took siezing things from a former president very seriously.

Then again, this is the same FBI who tracks potentially dangerous persons but then does nothing until they've actually shot up a bunch of people.

"Potentially dangerous?" What can they do if no crime has been committed? Do you think that the government should be able to arrest "potentially
dangerous" people?

If they were that sensitive, and the FBI knew that Trump removed th they should have been after them. If we are to believe the narrati that Trump is irresponsible with the documents, who knows who could seen them during those two years.

Indeed. The government was given false assurances by Trump and his lawye that all of the documents had been turned over, which probably delayed things. Additionally, he was given ample time to turn over all of the documents. He didn't.

He was given more than ample time... too much time.

That's subjective.

At my current job, I have access to sensitive data. If I even susp that there is a breach, if I wait two years... or, to suit you, eve months... to do anything about it I am likely going to federal pris it turns out there was a breach and I did nothing about it.

Same. And the same if I'm found to be the originator of that breach.

So, do you think they'd wait two years to come after you if they knew about it? No, because waiting that two years for *you* to "give
yourself up" or return the documents would not produce any political result.

I'm not an ex-president with a lot of lawyers.

I *know* they'd not wait two years to see if I can be trusted to do the right thing or not.

You're not an ex-president with a lot of lawyers, either.

And now the DOJ is saying that there won't be any indictments bef th
midterm elections, which kind of pops your whole balloon.

He is not indicted, but you already think he is guilty, right?

Of course. He's admitted as much. At first he tried to say that the FBI planted the documents, but then when the DOJ submitted photographs of th documents laid out on the floor, Trump claimed that he didn't keep them the floor like that; he kept them in crates. Oops!

OK, so what was your point regarding indictments before the midterms?

My point was that indictments before the midterms would be politically advantageous for Democrats, would it not? And yet, they are ruling that out.

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On 01 Sep 2022, Rebecca Marie said the following...

3. Trump could have short-circuited this whole thing 2 months ago by complying with NARA requests to return all documents that Trump shouldn't have had. In failing to do so, Trump brought the FBI search himself.

And he could've made the entire thing unnecessary if he had done as past presidents before him and not taken top secret docs with him when he left the White House.

Quite true.

I don't know what it is about having those Secret docs,
but he seems willing to fight to keep them. Does he think that they have secrets to the Lost Ark or something?

I don't, either. But he must've thought they'd provide him with some benefit.

Jeff.

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At my current job, I have access to sensitive data. If I even sus
that there is a breach, if I wait two years... or, to suit you, ev
months... to do anything about it I am likely going to federal pri
it turns out there was a breach and I did nothing about it.

Same. And the same if I'm found to be the originator of that breach.

So, do you think they'd wait two years to come after you if they knew about it? No, because waiting that two years for *you* to "give yourself up" or return the documents would not produce any political result.

I'm not an ex-president with a lot of lawyers.

And waiting two years makes those lawyers go away, and doesn't give them
more time to build a defense?


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On 03 Sep 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

I'm not an ex-president with a lot of lawyers.

And waiting two years makes those lawyers go away, and doesn't give them more time to build a defense?

The lawyers provided obstruction. The government didn't ignore the problem
for two years; they were talking to Trump's lawyers and requesting the documents be returned, with intensifying levels of pressure.

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Maybe so, but that seems like a lot of forethought, and I don't think that Trump does much of that. If I were forced to make a guess, I'd guess he never even stopped to look at what records he had, he just wanted to grab "stuff" that he could leave with and look through at a different time.

Perhaps, or maybe he was stashing away collateral that he could use later.

But, but, but none of his supposed "enemies" ever do anything bad. Only
Trump does bad things, so who would he be using this collateral against?


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On 14 Sep 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

Maybe so, but that seems like a lot of forethought, and I don't thi that Trump does much of that. If I were forced to make a guess, I'd guess he never even stopped to look at what records he had, he just wanted to grab "stuff" that he could leave with and look through at different time.

Perhaps, or maybe he was stashing away collateral that he could use late

But, but, but none of his supposed "enemies" ever do anything bad. Only Trump does bad things, so who would he be using this collateral against?

Are you double-posting?

Jeff.

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On 14 Sep 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

Maybe so, but that seems like a lot of forethought, and I don't th
that Trump does much of that. If I were forced to make a guess, I'
guess he never even stopped to look at what records he had, he jus
wanted to grab "stuff" that he could leave with and look through a
different time.

Perhaps, or maybe he was stashing away collateral that he could use lat

But, but, but none of his supposed "enemies" ever do anything bad. Only Trump does bad things, so who would he be using this collateral against?

Are you double-posting?

No, but you do seem to be double-answering. :)

I did have a server HD issue mid-week, so it is possible that Synchronet thought that some messages were not echoed yet. Since the ftn processing
is on the local machine, I would not have expected that to be the case but
it is possible.


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On 17 Sep 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

Are you double-posting?

No, but you do seem to be double-answering. :)

True. Or more like 1.5x-answering since it took me a message to figure it
out. :)

I did have a server HD issue mid-week, so it is possible that Synchronet thought that some messages were not echoed yet. Since the ftn processing is on the local machine, I would not have expected that to be the case
but it is possible.

Or something could have happened anywhere in-between. My question meant to
be more of a "hey, wait a minute, what's going on here?" than a direct accusation.

Jeff.

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I did have a server HD issue mid-week, so it is possible that Synchronet thought that some messages were not echoed yet. Since the ftn processing
is on the local machine, I would not have expected that to be the case but it is possible.

Or something could have happened anywhere in-between. My question meant to
be more of a "hey, wait a minute, what's going on here?" than a direct accusation.

In this particular case, seeing as something did happen on this end, either intention would have been fine. :) I am still trying to sort out one
non-BBS machine that did not handle the server drive going down too well,
but it should not affect my echomail.

but it should not affect my echomail.

but it should not affect my echomail.

Oooops!


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On 09 Sep 2022, Rebecca Marie said the following...

I don't know what it is about having those Secret docs,
but he seems willing to fight to keep them. Does he think that they h secrets to the Lost Ark or something?

I don't, either. But he must've thought they'd provide him with some benefit.

Maybe so, but that seems like a lot of forethought, and I don't think
that Trump does much of that. If I were forced to make a guess, I'd
guess he never even stopped to look at what records he had, he just
wanted to grab "stuff" that he could leave with and look through at a different time.

Perhaps, or maybe he was stashing away collateral that he could use later.

Jeff.

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Mike Powell wrote to REBECCA MARIE <=-

But they do control when they react. Trump could have turned them over, and the fact that he didn't turn them over a long time ago should have made it obvious to Archives, the DOJ, and the FBI that he was not

The factor that you keep apparently refusing to take into account is that we're talking about a former President of the United States. This isn't
like Harry in accounting having a document. The FBI would've knocked down Harry's door the next day. But before you level any charges against a
former President, you have to make sure you have all your Is dotted, your
Ts crossed, and you have a *ton* of evidence.

They knew he had them. He did not deny having them. He was not
turning them over as required. What other evidence did they need?

I missed an assumption that you made in your message I replied to: "the
fact that he didn't turn them over a long time ago should have made it obvious... that he was not [going to turn them over]." You know what
happens when one assumes, right? When law enforcement assume something,
it's not just the same thing, but can be tank an entire investigation.

Like I said before, Law & Order are going to make sure that they have
evidence to back up everything, because with a former President,
assumptions are simply not allowed.

I am not certain that you know how law enforcement or the justice
department operates...

If they have committed illegal acts that get them labeled as
potentially dangerous, then why are they still out and about? If they haven't done anything illegal, keeping in mind that threats of violence are illegal, why are they considered dangerous?

Don't forget that a person is not guilty until proven otherwise. If the FBI
or other law enforcement agencies don't have proof that a person is
committing a crime, should the LEA be allowed to detain that person? If a person IS arrested and makes bail, should the LEA still be able to detain
them? If the person / people have never made any kind of threat, can an LEA
say "I still thnk they are a threat, I'm arresting him."

Presumption of innocence (or at least not guilty). It's the law of the
land, dude.

Mind you, I am not a person who thinks that law enforcement is infallible.
I'm actually quite critical of law enforcement in general. Ditto our
justice system.



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Mike Powell wrote to REBECCA MARIE <=-

And waiting two years makes those lawyers go away, and doesn't give them more time to build a defense?

*sigh*

Mike, your continued flogging this dead horse saddens me. :(

Your continued joining of discussions after they've ended saddens me.
:(

They're new discussions to me! :)


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On 14 Sep 2022, Mike Powell said the following...

Maybe so, but that seems like a lot of forethought, and I don't thi that Trump does much of that. If I were forced to make a guess, I'd guess he never even stopped to look at what records he had, he just wanted to grab "stuff" that he could leave with and look through at different time.

Perhaps, or maybe he was stashing away collateral that he could use lat

But, but, but none of his supposed "enemies" ever do anything bad. Only Trump does bad things, so who would he be using this collateral against?

The US. That's whose secrets he had, and possibly still has.

Jeff.

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